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Speaker 1: feel bad for David Girl. I want to hear him

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Speaker 1: do interviews because he always has to talk about Nirvana

424
00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:04,080
Speaker 1: and Kurt and yeah, have you seen the drama with

425
00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:07,159
Speaker 1: Courtney Love Lately? She's coming out just kind of just

426
00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:09,960
Speaker 1: saying she's tired of people saying that she's the reason

427
00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:11,800
Speaker 1: why he killed himself. Do you know why she's saying

428
00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:15,159
Speaker 1: that because they released some old like FBI CIA FBI

429
00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,560
Speaker 1: probably where some of the guys were questioning if she

430
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Speaker 1: had anything to do with it. Oh, I didn't know that.

431
00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:22,520
Speaker 1: She's defending and so. But Dave Girl always has to

432
00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:25,919
Speaker 1: talk if Dave Girl is just food fighters. He's one

433
00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,040
Speaker 1: of the biggest rock stars in America has ever had

434
00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:32,040
Speaker 1: the end. But because he was in Nirvana and was

435
00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:34,360
Speaker 1: a drummer and was a drummer with Kurt Cobain, who

436
00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:39,280
Speaker 1: people now romanticize as the greatest poet of the nineties,

437
00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,280
Speaker 1: he always has to talk about that, and he's got

438
00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:44,800
Speaker 1: to be like stuff dang man. But he does. He

439
00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:46,560
Speaker 1: does a wonderful job, even though they didn't get along

440
00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:48,040
Speaker 1: for a part of it. But that's that's just a band.

441
00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:51,080
Speaker 1: That's just a group dynamic in any part um. But

442
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,080
Speaker 1: Nirvana smells like teen Spirit. I was talking to somebody recently,

443
00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:59,040
Speaker 1: who is it was a music critic. Maybe I was

444
00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:01,479
Speaker 1: doing an interview somewhere. I don't who doesn't haven been you?

445
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:03,400
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't think it was. I don't

446
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:05,640
Speaker 1: think it was he was talking about it. He was like, hey,

447
00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:08,480
Speaker 1: he's a Karkoman. Wasn't gonna stay in that band. He

448
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:11,280
Speaker 1: was like, at this point, you know, ten years later,

449
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:15,359
Speaker 1: Kirk Cobain's doing crappy solo stuff. They probably would have

450
00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:17,119
Speaker 1: got back with them, But it's not like Nirvana was

451
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,080
Speaker 1: going to be something because they put out in Utero,

452
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,639
Speaker 1: you know, they it wasn't like that. He died right

453
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,800
Speaker 1: after that record. Next record were the four albums? Well

454
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Speaker 1: they see I listen to Bleach that was before never mind, um,

455
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 1: but I don't know. There was another one after that

456
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,240
Speaker 1: that wasn't a live one, could have been Mike. Do

457
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:39,639
Speaker 1: you see over there? Three studio albums, three students to

458
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Speaker 1: the joint. Hey has write about something on this one.

459
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:44,920
Speaker 1: Look at me? But see, I don't know. The list

460
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,480
Speaker 1: is cool, but I feel like you don't need science

461
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:49,360
Speaker 1: to tell you that these songs are all iconic. Well,

462
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 1: science screwed up on wherever that sex pistol song? Science,

463
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,120
Speaker 1: Come on, I'll be honest with you about that. Are there?

464
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Speaker 1: You go? Those are the most iconic songs according to science,

465
00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:01,080
Speaker 1: most of them according to people. But they did factor

466
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,800
Speaker 1: in people's list as well. Yeah, so it's kind of

467
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 1: people's lists and some dumb you know, probabilities and the

468
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:09,359
Speaker 1: theory and the pearl jam in there. But okay, and

469
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,880
Speaker 1: how to Counting Crows not making Let's be honest, isn't

470
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:14,159
Speaker 1: that the one band that's really losing out here? Counting Crows?

471
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 1: All right here with Ashley Cook. Good to meet you

472
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 1: in person? Yeah, that got you. I think we've only

473
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 1: talked on the phone, right, Yeah, I think so that

474
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:28,240
Speaker 1: one interview for the one time. That's one interview. So

475
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,639
Speaker 1: I think what I had talked to you about a

476
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:32,960
Speaker 1: lot and we'll get it out of the way now.

477
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,880
Speaker 1: Is and TikTok because I just see you as more

478
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 1: than that person. I think, than the than the TikTok

479
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 1: now a great way to be the person people know.

480
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:45,359
Speaker 1: But I think after a bet, you gotta go, and

481
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,200
Speaker 1: you have to go. Man. I wish people would only

482
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:51,359
Speaker 1: stop associating me with TikTok, you know, honestly, no, because

483
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:53,480
Speaker 1: it gave me such a huge platform in the beginning

484
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 1: that I love it and I still use it to

485
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:56,679
Speaker 1: this day. I still post almost every day. Well I

486
00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 1: use it and you should write you should. But I

487
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 1: think as an artist, people start to get pigeonholed like

488
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:05,360
Speaker 1: content creators get well, he's only a YouTube person or

489
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,159
Speaker 1: he's only but you know, for you. The first time

490
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,159
Speaker 1: we talked to thank he's actually really good, you know,

491
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,119
Speaker 1: better than just making TikTok videos. And so I was

492
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 1: really excited to play your stuff on you know, two

493
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:17,920
Speaker 1: different shows that that I program, which is The Women

494
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 1: of My Heart Country and I think Mike, we just

495
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 1: featured last week on The Big Countdown, didn't we? We did?

496
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 1: I mean, guys, seriously, thank you so much. I'm still independent,

497
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 1: so y'all doing that genuinely changes everything for independent artists.

498
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 1: So thank you guys so much. But honestly, I think

499
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:34,240
Speaker 1: the music should translate past whatever platform you started on, right,

500
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 1: So to not get pige and hold it as a

501
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 1: TikTok artists just make music that translates past that. I

502
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,119
Speaker 1: guess that's my way of thinking. In and TikTok is

503
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,440
Speaker 1: just another way to reach more ears and more eyeballs,

504
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 1: So why not use it, you know, and use everything

505
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:51,120
Speaker 1: you possibly can exactly whenever you started. Now, you guys

506
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 1: didn't live there, right, We didn't know most people. I

507
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,920
Speaker 1: think I thought that at first everybody did did you rush,

508
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 1: because I wouldn't even wanted people to think you didn't

509
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Speaker 1: live there. I just played along there for a while.

510
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:02,159
Speaker 1: We kind of, I don't want to say, like we've

511
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 1: played along. But I think the whole idea of a

512
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,359
Speaker 1: content creation house was started with the Hype House. Right

513
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,160
Speaker 1: in the high Pause. People were all influencers and actors

514
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,359
Speaker 1: and dancers, so all they did all day long was

515
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,920
Speaker 1: create on TikTok and YouTube and all these platforms. So

516
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 1: they lived together because it just made the most sense.

517
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,679
Speaker 1: With six one five House, it was started in the

518
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,159
Speaker 1: middle of the pandemic, so we saw each other whenever

519
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 1: we could, but we couldn't live together. Didn't really make

520
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 1: any sense to live together. And we still get together

521
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 1: and create and and do all that together, but we

522
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 1: never lived together in those Are you guys still making

523
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 1: stuff as six one five House? We are? But I

524
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 1: think just naturally as the world opened up because six

525
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:40,199
Speaker 1: was started in a pandemic, it's just now artists are

526
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 1: going and touring and signing record deals and and crushing

527
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 1: it outside of what the pandemic was, that naturally we

528
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 1: can't make as much content um. And also, again we

529
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 1: are artists, were all writers and artists, and we tour

530
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 1: and we play music. So unlike the high House and

531
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 1: most content creation houses, we can't just spend all day

532
00:26:56,359 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 1: every day creating for social media. Um so we still

533
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 1: create sometimes together, but it's just not as much as

534
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 1: we could. Did you sign up? I'm sure you did

535
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,239
Speaker 1: to make money in the little program where they give

536
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 1: you a couple of bucks for every ten thousand streams

537
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 1: you get or whatever, which thing like the creator five. Yeah, yeah,

538
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 1: did you do that? I don't know. I think I did,

539
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 1: remember I did? And I have my TikTok following. Isn't

540
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:20,680
Speaker 1: extremely huge? You have like half a million followers something

541
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 1: like that. I don't know, it's pretty big. I don't.

542
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 1: I don't post on TikTok a whole I did for

543
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,920
Speaker 1: like a week, and I'm on TikTok more than everything else,

544
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 1: but I don't post a whole lot. But and I

545
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 1: would have videos out getting to three four million, I

546
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,920
Speaker 1: get like dollar Rady was like this sucks. So I've

547
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:36,879
Speaker 1: learned my hack to this. Maybe I shouldn't say this,

548
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,120
Speaker 1: but I'm going to say it. On live streams. I've

549
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 1: started to turn people over to Venmo, so I'll be

550
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 1: on a live stream and I'll be like, hey, if

551
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 1: you guys want to hear a song that you want

552
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 1: to hear a shout out whatever, it is just my

553
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 1: venmo is at Ashley Cook. But know me, however much

554
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 1: you want, every much you can and I'll play your song.

555
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 1: And that's how I've started to kind of make a

556
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 1: virtual tip jar online. The Creative Fund is awesome for

557
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:57,679
Speaker 1: some people, but for me, that's not really how i'

558
00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:59,959
Speaker 1: gonna pay the bills. So it's like, might as well

559
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,479
Speaker 1: do you make okay money when you go here's my

560
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 1: venmo you guys, I mean, yeah, it's hit or miss,

561
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 1: just like every live show would be. Can you got

562
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,640
Speaker 1: a couple hundred bucks? Yeah? Yeah? Which what's the most

563
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:11,639
Speaker 1: you've ever done on the live streams? Okay? So my

564
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 1: friend Roman Alexander, I don't know if you know who,

565
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 1: he's a great artist in town. He always will get

566
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,920
Speaker 1: all my live streams and like, bet people, hey, you

567
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 1: won't ven mohr five hundred dollars, you won't venmoh yes.

568
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:23,919
Speaker 1: And I'll literally make like a couple hundred bucks for

569
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 1: like twenty minutes on alive because my friends like jokingly

570
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 1: help out and stuff. Too um, But I make I

571
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:30,640
Speaker 1: mean I make a decent amount. It's you just gotta

572
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 1: really work for it. You have to know how to

573
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 1: be savvy with it, I guess is the way to

574
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 1: say it. My fiance's parents were in town and we

575
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 1: went to Tutsi's last night, and they've never been. I

576
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 1: don't really want to go to Tutsi's been there the

577
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 1: first five years old in town a lot um, but

578
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 1: we went and they had not seen how the Tutsis

579
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 1: vibe works where there's two bands, one on each side,

580
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 1: you know, and you tip them they play a song.

581
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 1: But now you can go up and actually scan the code,

582
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 1: yeah and tip the BNMO. I mean yeah. I think

583
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:56,719
Speaker 1: the pandemic just taught a lot of people a lot

584
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 1: of stuff about the virtual world that we can live in.

585
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 1: But it's not about the money at the end of

586
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 1: the day, you know, it really is. I know that's

587
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 1: like the political answer, but genuinely, it's not. It's about

588
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 1: getting people to relate to your music and get it

589
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 1: out there. Because somebody out there has not heard Justin

590
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 1: Bieber's music, you know, so everybody's always working to get

591
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 1: people to hear their music. So what is your story.

592
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 1: You can't you come from where? Kind of all over

593
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 1: the place. But before Nashville, I was in South Florida.

594
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 1: What do you mean all over the place? And why?

595
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 1: So my dad's job, he was in corporate and I

596
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 1: was in music. Since I was eleven years old. My

597
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 1: sister and I used to be in a duo together.

598
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 1: I just kind of traveled down the country growing up.

599
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 1: I think I lived in nineteen different homes before I

600
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 1: was eighteen, So just homes. Is it because you were

601
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 1: playing music or because he was, you know, moving around

602
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 1: kind of both? Kind of both. It was always a

603
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 1: little bit of both. Corporate took him all over the country.

604
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 1: So and you and your sister were what kind of

605
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 1: duo country du Yeah, what was the name? It was

606
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 1: called the Locketts. And did you guys ever come to

607
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 1: Nashville before you came to Nashville all the time, So

608
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 1: I pretty much grew up on music row. I was

609
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 1: riding with like Jeremy Bussy and Bridge at Tatum and

610
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 1: like incredible number one writers when I was like fifteen

611
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 1: years old. So I came here for the first time

612
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 1: a little over ten years ago. And how did you

613
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 1: get in a room with them? If you're just a

614
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 1: teenager from out of town. Just the music. I guess

615
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 1: it translated. I was in l A. And I worked

616
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 1: with like some people out in l A. And then

617
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 1: I brought us over here and it was just, you

618
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 1: know how it goes. I don't know how it goes.

619
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 1: I don't I'm not cool enough to know how anything goes. Honestly,

620
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 1: I don't even know. To be honest, I think I

621
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 1: was a kid just kind of being put in rooms,

622
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 1: which is the beauty. And then I have at of

623
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 1: being a kid um. But from what I can remember,

624
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 1: the music we made just kind of translated and got

625
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 1: us in the rooms with the right people, and that's

626
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 1: just how that happened. Then I went to college at Belmont.

627
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 1: So you moved here for school, yes, and stayed here. Yes?

628
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 1: So you moved here for school knowing you were going

629
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 1: to stay here. I don't really know. I moved here

630
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 1: for Belmont UM just because again I had grown up

631
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 1: in Nashville and I knew of the school. I loved

632
00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 1: at the campus. I thought it was incredible, and I

633
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 1: just loved Nashville like a home away from home. Went

634
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 1: to Belmont for music business, ended up transferring into communications

635
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 1: and marketing. So I studied nothing to do with music,

636
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 1: which you shouldn't, right, I mean, honestly, I don't know. Listen.

637
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 1: I still studied a lot of things, including what I

638
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 1: do now radio, television, but I didn't need to. I

639
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:19,719
Speaker 1: did the best thing. About. The best thing you can

640
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 1: do in a creative space is just freaking get into it. Okay, true,

641
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 1: but to each their own and and then have them

642
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 1: to fall back on when it doesn't work. True, And

643
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: that was kind of my mentality. And also because I

644
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 1: had grown up in music my whole life. Not I mean,

645
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 1: the Bellmont Music program is genuinely incredible, it really is.

646
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 1: But I just had been in so many rooms and

647
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 1: learned so much that going in and intro to publishing

648
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 1: class my freshman year, I was like, wait, this is

649
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 1: outdated info, this is different. I've been in this room.

650
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 1: I know what's going on. So it just was it's

651
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 1: it's hard for them to keep up with exactly what's

652
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 1: going on. Um. But I loved communications and marketing. It

653
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 1: was the best because also I use it every day

654
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 1: in my career right like communications on stage right now,

655
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 1: marketing with TikTok. It all comes to play. So and

656
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 1: then I just stayed in Nashville after that. So when

657
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 1: you stay, is that I'm going to be a songwriter?

658
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 1: Is I'm gonna be an artist? Am I going to

659
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 1: do one before the other? Like? What was kind of

660
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 1: your mindset at twenty two years old? I mean, does

661
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 1: anybody know what they're doing at years old? Um? I

662
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 1: think I was even twenty one? I was when you

663
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 1: finished college? Was the dream? Well? Okay? So I studied

664
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 1: communications and marketing again my senior year, I was already

665
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: interviewing for communications jobs. I kind of was like, hey,

666
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 1: music was my childhood thing. I still have a huge

667
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: passion for it, but let's just think about something different.

668
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 1: Let's just like entertain the idea of going down a

669
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: different route. So I almost got hired to a company

670
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 1: in Nashville for communications and marketing. And then at the

671
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 1: same time, like the same month, I applied for the

672
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 1: Country Showcase. Do you know what that is? Okay? So

673
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 1: at Belmont there's you know what that is? Yeah? I

674
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 1: think like like Cassie Ashton, she wonted Brad Paisley, Florida

675
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: Georgia line. I mean, so many amazing artists have won

676
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 1: this competition. So I applied kind of on a whim,

677
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 1: being like, whatever, you know my senior year bucket, Let's

678
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 1: let's just do it. It's always been a really cool

679
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: thing to go to and watch. I got in and

680
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 1: I ended up a winning competition, won the Whole Thing too,

681
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 1: One the Whole Thing. I was one of the only

682
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 1: non music majors to win that competition. Do you have

683
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 1: to do an original song? It's two originals, one cover?

684
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 1: So what what cover? Did you do? The Middle by

685
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 1: Marion Morris? It was the best. It was so much fun.

686
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 1: Did you play it yourself band? Do you have a

687
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 1: full band? It's huge. It's like three thousand people in

688
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: an arena. It's massive. Yeah. But so I won that,

689
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: and then I graduated and I was like, Hey, I'm

690
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:26,719
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna try music. I'm gonna I'm gonna give

691
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 1: it a go as a solo artist for the first

692
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 1: time in my life. I'm just gonna do it. COVID

693
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: hit like right when that happened, and so I went

694
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 1: down to quarantine with my family in Florida and my

695
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 1: friend sent me a video of Spencer Crandell, one of

696
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 1: my other friends who's on TikTok and it was some

697
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 1: challenge that he did. I did the challenge and it

698
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 1: got like two million views overnight and it just kind

699
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 1: of started from there. So it was not my plan

700
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: to do, I mean nearly any of this, let alone

701
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 1: what's happening now this past year, I mean it's just

702
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 1: been crazy. So two things. One, who is Spencer crandell?

703
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 1: These I cut your artists big TikTok or too, Yeah,

704
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 1: amazing artists too? And then too what was the Channel lunch?

705
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 1: It was called the lay Me Down Challenge. It was like,

706
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 1: you know the Sam Smith song A Me Downs and

707
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,359
Speaker 1: that song, so it's the bridge of that song and

708
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,919
Speaker 1: you like basically just go a whole octave up and sing.

709
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:14,800
Speaker 1: So it's a singing challenge. I was like, no, I

710
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 1: don't know, Like TikTok, you know, I've I've loved this

711
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 1: app for a long time, but I don't know if

712
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 1: I meant to be a creator on it, Like who

713
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 1: does know that? You know, it's it's the market that

714
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 1: gets to decide who's going to be a creator on

715
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: the app. So I posted the video no makeup braids

716
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:27,959
Speaker 1: in my hair fresh out the pool, like had zero

717
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: expectations and it just completely blew up and I just

718
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 1: caught the bug. So and so then you were in

719
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 1: and I was in, And then how do you become

720
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 1: just into all right, guys, we're gonna organize something here,

721
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 1: and we're gonna get we're gonna put something together so

722
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 1: we can actually market ourselves, which is a really smart

723
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 1: thing to do. Thank you, honestly looking back at so wild,

724
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 1: because it had to have been a god thing, honestly,

725
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 1: because I had watched the high pass for so long,

726
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,479
Speaker 1: and I had had friends like you know, Cooper Allen

727
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 1: and Thomas Mack and people that were really big on

728
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 1: TikTok and had this giant following they were building through

729
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 1: country music and just following trends. My friend Chris Rudiger

730
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:01,839
Speaker 1: and I just kind of I called him one day

731
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,359
Speaker 1: and I was like, Hey, why is nobody doing this?

732
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 1: At the time, there was only you know, six or

733
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 1: seven country people really on Sicktok. Since then, of course

734
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:11,840
Speaker 1: it's really kind of blown up and come into the

735
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,839
Speaker 1: country space, but there was nobody collaborating on the app

736
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 1: really at all, um, and so we just kind of

737
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 1: found people, texted d M and got the people that

738
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 1: were really crushing it through country on the app to

739
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 1: come together and it was born. The six and five

740
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 1: hours happened, so that Mac is the first country president

741
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:28,879
Speaker 1: I ever saw on TikTok. Which video did you see?

742
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 1: Do you remember? He's hysterical. I just remember him being

743
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,479
Speaker 1: funny and being one of the only, if not first,

744
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 1: country guys I would see, just sitting there with acoustic

745
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 1: guitar playing funny songs. Yeah, he's hysterical, and he's still on.

746
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 1: Everybody is still on the app. I think just because

747
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: the world opened up. It's like, you know, it's an

748
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: amazing thing because a lot of us are also still independent.

749
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 1: Most of us are still independent, so it's crazy to

750
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 1: see how much has happened from the app and now

751
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 1: translating into the real world. I mean, these just kids

752
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: that were creating videos on this app, and now we

753
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 1: get to live our dreams. So it's really cool. Has

754
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,320
Speaker 1: anyone recognized you from TikTok just walking down the street,

755
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,399
Speaker 1: you would be mind blown. It blows my mind. I'll

756
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 1: go down to like Broadway hang out because you know,

757
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:10,879
Speaker 1: I'm single in twenty four so I'm like whatever, I'm

758
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 1: gonna go out on Broadway. I get stopped all the time.

759
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 1: For photos and oh my gosh, you're the girl from TikTok.

760
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 1: Are you actually cook or heard yourself on the highway

761
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 1: just on the Bobby Bone Show, Like they'll just say

762
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 1: this stuff all the time. I'm like, this is so crazy.

763
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,320
Speaker 1: So yeah, it happens a lot. That's pretty cool. Because

764
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: I saw someone from TikTok somewhere and I was in California.

765
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 1: We were doing American Idol or something, and I I

766
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 1: kind of no, but I kind of geeked out a

767
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 1: little bit. And then I caught myself and I was like,

768
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 1: why am I geeking out at somebody watched two videos?

769
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 1: But you're right, it doesn't matter how you're you get consumed. Yeah, Like,

770
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 1: once you find somebody you like and you're taking them

771
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 1: through radio, Netflix, TikTok, it doesn't matter. Then you've kind

772
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 1: of become a fan. Absolutely absolutely, And that's what's so cool.

773
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 1: I was at my gym like two days ago and

774
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 1: this guy walks up and it's like, okay, I hate

775
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: to keep out and be a fan girl, but like,

776
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 1: I just love your music. I was like what He's like,

777
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,439
Speaker 1: I love under It's so good. I was like, what,

778
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 1: so it is? I mean You're right. It's it's working

779
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 1: and people are consuming it and there I hope falling

780
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:05,879
Speaker 1: in love with my music as much as they are

781
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,240
Speaker 1: my personality or whatever that brings them to my page.

782
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 1: So it's awesome. So you're going out on your first tour,

783
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 1: like your first going through all the difference with right, Yeah,

784
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 1: so what's that about. I'm pumped. It's nine days in September.

785
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: It's my first ever tour. I don't even know any

786
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 1: of the details. Probably a meeting after this to figure

787
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:23,840
Speaker 1: out the details, because I might just take me on

788
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 1: a bus somewhere and I'll show up and play. Um,

789
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 1: but I'm I'm freaking pumped. It's gonna be so fun

790
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 1: that The rare thing is that that I see from

791
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 1: these dates is that they're all kind of strung together.

792
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 1: Like when I go out, I'll do Thursday, Friday Saturday

793
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 1: or Friday Saturday. They come home, and that's pretty typical

794
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 1: of a country music tour. However, this is I mean

795
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 1: a typical where you're out, Like you said, basically, you

796
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 1: know the tenth of the twenty three, but nine you're

797
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:53,359
Speaker 1: playing nine shows and days, so you're just gonna live

798
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 1: in a bus. I don't really know what the travel

799
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 1: plan is yet. I'm not quite sure. I mean, first

800
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 1: tour you, I'm probably just gonna get chucked in a

801
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 1: van somewhere, and you, honestly should you should. I think

802
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 1: artists should have to come up and go van first,

803
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 1: learn the struggle. Absolutely crappy bus. See it's interesting though,

804
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 1: because not that I don't think I should do that still,

805
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 1: because I definitely should, But I was touring when I

806
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 1: was a kid, to fairs and festivals and stuff like that,

807
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 1: so I have kind of doesn't count count. You got

808
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 1: to go to the struggle and hopefully you make enough

809
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 1: and you're opening fee to pay for your whole trip.

810
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 1: Have to be like how am I going to afford this?

811
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 1: And we're the same clothes three nights in a row,

812
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 1: and but then say, no, this is my artistic style.

813
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: I just but you have to go through that struggle.

814
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,399
Speaker 1: Then you appreciate it so much more when you don't

815
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 1: have to anymore, and you look out for the people

816
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 1: that are doing it, Like I have some friends ish

817
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:50,839
Speaker 1: who kind of got to skip that step because they

818
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: blew up a little too quick, so they don't quite

819
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 1: empathize and understand what they can see and they can

820
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 1: sympathize a little bit, but they don't understand. And I

821
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 1: feel like they're there la sacking that empathy to to

822
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 1: go hey, like I got you. Here's what I got you,

823
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 1: because I've been through it too. Yeah. Maybe, but if

824
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 1: they gave you a jet, take the jet. Okay, I'm

825
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 1: not no, put me in a bus. Who would you

826
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 1: say that you listen to a lot as a kid,

827
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 1: because we're all influenced by something. Who would you say

828
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:19,720
Speaker 1: you listen to as a kid where you're like, all right,

829
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,720
Speaker 1: this is not who I am. But their sounds definitely

830
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 1: kind of took me somewhere for sure, um honestly. So.

831
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 1: I moved to Florida when I was fifteen, and I

832
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 1: remember there was this one amphitheater that we all would

833
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 1: go to and I would obsess over the artist that

834
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 1: went there. It was the Cruise an Ampithater. I don't

835
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 1: know what it's called now, but it's the West Palm

836
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 1: am The Theater. And I remember being there for the

837
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 1: Luke Bryan, the Jason al Dean Tour Florida Georgia line.

838
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 1: I mean, Dan and Shay Like I just loved them,

839
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 1: especially throughout High school. They kind of shaped my love

840
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 1: for Lyric and Rascoe Flats obsessed with them. I've now

841
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: become friends with Jada Marcus, which is so cool. Um.

842
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 1: But I mean, honestly, I just loved the way that

843
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 1: he showed up to a show and everybody just feels

844
00:39:58,000 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: the same emotion. And it seems like all of those

845
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 1: artists knew how to like grab that from them in

846
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 1: the crowd. I love that. Also, growing up, my parents

847
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 1: played Motown all the time, so I was a big

848
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 1: Motown fan. Um. But that's basically like big list of

849
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 1: who I loved. I gotta have a Kolbe vibe to

850
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:16,359
Speaker 1: you a little bit. I think it's the blonde California.

851
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,879
Speaker 1: You know, maybe maybe that's it too. And she lived

852
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 1: like five minutes away, so I can just call her up.

853
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I haven't met her yet, and I would

854
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 1: love to. I loved her growing up to like Bubbly

855
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:29,919
Speaker 1: was one of my favorite songs. You guys moved from

856
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 1: Californa from Florida to Nashville. Did you you came by yourself?

857
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 1: I write your sister? Yeah. So my sister is a

858
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 1: year older than me, um, and she went to a

859
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 1: different school and then transferred into Belmont, but she she

860
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:42,359
Speaker 1: went to Mallma with me as well. Is she here

861
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 1: kind of she's like all over the place, the lockets

862
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 1: are no more, no more Reunion show. I mean maybe, honestly,

863
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 1: I think that she just so part of the reason

864
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 1: why I even got into entertainment was because she moved

865
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 1: my family out to l A because she wanted to

866
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 1: get into acting. And so I just kind of surrounded

867
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 1: by the young Disney crowd and just all these people

868
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:04,840
Speaker 1: in l A. And I was like a sporty tomboy,

869
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 1: had no reasoning to be in music, but just fell

870
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 1: in love with the entertainment business because I was around

871
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 1: it so much and all my friends were in it.

872
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 1: So now she after she graduated from college, she was

873
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 1: in a finance job for a little while, but then

874
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 1: she realized that she really wants to do acting again,

875
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 1: so she went from music to acting and she's not

876
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: pursuing that, so she's crushing it. The young Disney crowd

877
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 1: to talk, what is that? What do you mean? Like? Who? Well,

878
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. You kind of just threw

879
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 1: that up there, the young Disney Are you hanging out

880
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: with Disney stars in l a um. I mean, that's

881
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,879
Speaker 1: honestly kind of a weird part of my story too,

882
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 1: because I was like really really good friends with all

883
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 1: of the young Disney crowd when I was young, like

884
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 1: the Cyrus family, like you know, the Livado family, the

885
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 1: Hudgens family, like all of them. They were like my

886
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 1: my friends and my schoolmates and my neighbors, and I

887
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 1: just don't really think of it as then like the

888
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 1: Disney crowd, because they were just my friends. We would

889
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 1: make YouTube videos together and go to soccer and ice

890
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 1: skating together, and that was my friend group, which is

891
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,360
Speaker 1: maybe why I love this industry because I feel like

892
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: there's nothing too glitz or glam. It's always just like

893
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 1: the real music and the meaning behind it all because

894
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 1: I grew up around the craziness and saw what it

895
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 1: did to them, you know what I mean. Was your

896
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 1: sister a Disney actor? No, she wasn't. They were just

897
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 1: friends because of the area. We were all friends because

898
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 1: of the area. You were in Disney. Okay, when you

899
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 1: said young Disney, I thought you were in Disney stuff.

900
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 1: You like, throw me, throw me for a loop there,

901
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:23,800
Speaker 1: So you weren't acting, You weren't doing Disney stuff. You

902
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 1: just not gonna be living. I did some commercials. You're

903
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:27,879
Speaker 1: not telling me something. I don't know. It's so weird.

904
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 1: I feel like again I was a kid. I was

905
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 1: just like Dragi areas. I did we commercials a while

906
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 1: growing up. We like w I I like the nunchucks

907
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 1: and stuff. Yeah, what would you do in these commercials? Um,

908
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 1: I don't even remember. I would like play with the nunchucks.

909
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 1: I would There was like a monkey in one of them.

910
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 1: I did some print modeling. I've just always been an

911
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 1: entertainment since I was a kid. So and we like

912
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 1: knew a lot of like the Disney casting directors and

913
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 1: auditions and stuff. But um, yeah, when did you know

914
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 1: you could sing and people would actually care that you

915
00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:03,240
Speaker 1: could sing? Did they care? Now? I'm getting um oh gosh.

916
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 1: I got into a music like performance class when I

917
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 1: was ten years old. Um. I wrote my first song

918
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 1: when I was eleven. And I remember this guy Jonathan George,

919
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 1: who was a really good friend of ours and he

920
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 1: like coached us when we were younger. Um, he put

921
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,280
Speaker 1: us on a stage at this place called the Mint

922
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 1: in l A. I don't know if you're familiar with that.

923
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 1: I don't even know if it's still a place anymore. Um,

924
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 1: But we played and I performed my first show when

925
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 1: I was eleven, and people like knew the words to

926
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 1: the music that I was putting out and it was

927
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: like insane. The music wasn't that great? I mean, I

928
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 1: was eleven, you know, you start somewhere, but yeah, I

929
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 1: mean I think that was when I really fell in

930
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 1: love with performing, And to this day, performing is still

931
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 1: my favorite part of this. I mean, there's so much

932
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 1: to love about music, but genuinely getting on a stage

933
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 1: and just seeing people people's reactions to what you're saying,

934
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:49,399
Speaker 1: that's like, by far the best part of it all.

935
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 1: And how has it been you say, your independent still, Um,

936
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 1: how has it been you know, trying to find a

937
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,399
Speaker 1: team like your team, your your I wouldn't say forever

938
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:01,919
Speaker 1: because changes in its fluid, but your like established team

939
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 1: record management. Like, what what's that process like for you

940
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 1: right now? Honestly, it's a lot of fun, um, because

941
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 1: you know, I'm so excited to eventually be able to

942
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 1: partner with the right team. I really am, um. But

943
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 1: honestly because of people like you and the Highway and

944
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 1: DSPs like Spotify and iTunes and Apple and Pandora and

945
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,399
Speaker 1: all these places. Like I've had a really really great

946
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 1: year and I feel like I've just been knocking down

947
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: my goals one by one independently, and of course having

948
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 1: the right partner is a big goal of mine. But

949
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 1: I'm in no rush, which is the really fun part.

950
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:34,799
Speaker 1: So it's actually the best place to be because the

951
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 1: more you go into a situation with knowing who you

952
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 1: are and some data behind you, the less they can

953
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 1: tell you who to be exactly. And I get to

954
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: go on a tour independently. I feel like there's there's

955
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 1: so much that has happened this past year, and it's

956
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,360
Speaker 1: it's truly mind blowing. I mean, yesterday I made a

957
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:53,399
Speaker 1: video on my Instagram talking about that because I was like,

958
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 1: this week is crazy, you know, like y'all put me

959
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 1: as your spotlight artist, which is so so cool, thank you,

960
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 1: by the way, And it's just been just been crazy.

961
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 1: It's like so much has happened, and um, I like

962
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 1: to think it's just because the music is translating, and

963
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 1: that's the bottom line. Mike, what clips do we have

964
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:08,839
Speaker 1: over there? We have all of them. Okay, let's walk.

965
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 1: How about do we have the new single that comes

966
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 1: at June five. Okay, this is already drank that beer.

967
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 1: Here you go bad Street and how hard together and

968
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 1: we don't know better luck we can we aim it's

969
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 1: too baddy. We already drank. Excited about that when to

970
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: come out? I'm so pumped for that to come out.

971
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 1: I cannot wait. How long did you record that? Um?

972
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 1: I want to say like a month and a half

973
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 1: ago with Jimmy Robbins, who's phenomenal. Yeah, he's amazing. Here

974
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:57,959
Speaker 1: is under which was featured on The Country Top thirty

975
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:01,800
Speaker 1: and The Women of Iron Country. I'm talked under the media,

976
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 1: last son good as thy faths to do, and me

977
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 1: there underneath the sheet someone sweat under the run and

978
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 1: singing under the sun. So I don't understand anywhere. Get all.

979
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 1: Let's play Sunday morning kind of Saturday night that I

980
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 1: remember this one was released. It pretty well the download

981
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 1: chart for a little bit. Yeah, it was awesome. Here

982
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 1: you go, I need Sunday lorn Saturday night. But the

983
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:42,320
Speaker 1: wood then see speaks that the time last star lay

984
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 1: fast to shout a little deeper than all that I

985
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 1: need Sunday morning kind of Saturday night. And then this

986
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:55,760
Speaker 1: is the first time that I knew you. We played

987
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 1: this on the Women of By Our Country. It's been

988
00:46:57,520 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 1: a while now, but Jealous of the Sky I think

989
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,399
Speaker 1: that's when we talked. That was also the first song

990
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 1: I ever had play on a radio station. Is that right?

991
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 1: Were you able to hear it when it played? Did

992
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 1: you find the Yeah? I was. I was down in

993
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 1: South Florida, UM in my friend's car and we played

994
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 1: that song. Which is actually so backstory on that song.

995
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:15,880
Speaker 1: My friend passed away and he was from South Florida

996
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 1: and that's why I wrote the song. So I was

997
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 1: in South Florida when I heard my song on the

998
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 1: radio for the first time, thanks to you guys. So

999
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 1: it was crazy. Here is Jealous of the Sky. You

1000
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 1: get to be crag the season change. You can sell

1001
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 1: all the time like it's just a day, let the

1002
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 1: rain out when you feel like you won't cry. Now

1003
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 1: you get to say hello, Well, I gotta say good back.

1004
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:52,879
Speaker 1: I'm Jealous of the Sky. That's a really good one.

1005
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 1: Thank you. I still feel the same, like kind of

1006
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 1: like goose bumps with that song that I did the

1007
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 1: first time, thank you, and before I hit it, I

1008
00:47:58,280 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 1: kind of forgot about it. Until I hit it, and

1009
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,400
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, because you listen, I hear ten

1010
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 1: thousand songs to day, but you always remember how certain

1011
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 1: songs make you feel, sometimes more than remember the words

1012
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 1: of the song. Absolutely, What's I mean? That's the whole

1013
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:11,839
Speaker 1: beauty of music, you know. I mean, that's the fun

1014
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 1: part about TikTok is. You know, my manager and I

1015
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 1: always crack up because I'm like, oh, this song is

1016
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 1: the one, this song is gonna hit, It's gonna go viral,

1017
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:20,360
Speaker 1: and then like it doesn't flop, but it doesn't do

1018
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:22,359
Speaker 1: as well as I hope it would because people don't

1019
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 1: connect the same way that I wanted them to or whatever.

1020
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 1: So it's it's fun to see because I could connect

1021
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 1: so deeply to something, but somebody else doesn't. And that's

1022
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 1: just the beauty of music, you know. Well, and just art.

1023
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 1: I mean, I put up some stuff. I feel like

1024
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 1: it's gonna be amazing. It's gonna maybe people can laugh

1025
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 1: at this. It's gonna be great. And then I'll put

1026
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 1: up my dog will like lick the wrong hole on

1027
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 1: my nose to social media is happening. Well, listen, I'm

1028
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 1: glad we finally got to meet as well. I saw

1029
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 1: you drive in with your big jeep, yep jack jacked

1030
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 1: up a little bit. It's jacked up. It's three point

1031
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 1: seven five. No idea what that means, but that's something.

1032
00:48:58,560 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 1: All I know is it look a little higher and

1033
00:48:59,920 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 1: a big wheels on it is there. I gotta assume

1034
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:04,439
Speaker 1: the gas is not cheap for that thing. It's not cheap.

1035
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 1: When the gas crisis happened, I was like, I'm so

1036
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:11,840
Speaker 1: how long you had a cheap um since I was sixteen? Say,

1037
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 1: all the same one, same jeep. Yeah, I've just you know,

1038
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:16,880
Speaker 1: gotten it all jacked up and done a bunch of

1039
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 1: stuff too. I'm still like to this day, I'm like

1040
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 1: saving my money because I'm like, I'm gonna go do

1041
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 1: more to my jeep. I'm obsessed. So the goal is

1042
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 1: to do more to that jeep, not to get a

1043
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 1: different jeep. Absolutely, and I make him last. You know,

1044
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: I had a chair. I had a Jeep for a while,

1045
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:31,319
Speaker 1: and I felt like if I couldn't drive it with

1046
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 1: the top off, I didn't want to drive it. So

1047
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 1: I kept the top off. But then I got caught

1048
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 1: in a storm once and I got it was a

1049
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:39,280
Speaker 1: bad storm and I'm driving my glasses are getting soaked,

1050
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, this is it. Time to go

1051
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 1: trade in the jeep. And the jeep that's so funny.

1052
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 1: That's why I had the hard top because being from Florida.

1053
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:47,839
Speaker 1: Living in Florida, I mean every hour you could have

1054
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Speaker 1: a thunderstorm and then just complete beautiful, you know, nine

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Speaker 1: degree days. So I have the hard top so I

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Speaker 1: don't have to worry about that. We had a hard

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Speaker 1: top two and Jake oh And bought me a like

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00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 1: some sort of contraption that takes the top off and

1059
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:00,759
Speaker 1: you sit it on it. It just hangs from it

1060
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 1: and you drive under and puts it on it. But

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Speaker 1: I was like, I don't screw this. I never put

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Speaker 1: it up. I was like, I want to have the

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Speaker 1: top off. I want to drive the jeep like I'm

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00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:09,799
Speaker 1: supposed to. But then again, first time I got wet,

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Speaker 1: I was like, I can't do this. I don't want

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00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:13,320
Speaker 1: to do this anymore. It's so worth it, though. I

1067
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 1: want to get a Bronco eventually. I love Broncos and

1068
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 1: not like the new with the new ones are dope,

1069
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 1: but like the old lake are the really cool ones.

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00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 1: You don't know at three point seven five is, but

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00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:25,799
Speaker 1: you know the year of the Bronco that you'd want,

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Speaker 1: you know, I have very all right, you guys, let

1073
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 1: me let me promote a couple of things here on TikTok.

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Speaker 1: She is the Ashley Cook, which is cook with a

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Speaker 1: knee but Instagram same huh, same s the Ashley Cook

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Speaker 1: that was Ashley Cook already taken it was And I've

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Speaker 1: d m the girl that has Ashley Cook so many

1078
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:50,240
Speaker 1: times and she doesn't respond. I'm like, come on, really,

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00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 1: I have to have Mr Bobby Bones because some goob

1080
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:56,319
Speaker 1: will not give me Bobby Bones. And it wasn't even

1081
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 1: using I tried to get Twitter, I got, didn't use it.

1082
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 1: Who has it on Instagram? Now? Have we even looked

1083
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 1: at that a lot? I don't know. I think it's

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00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:07,800
Speaker 1: a random let's see. I'm curious about this because on

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Speaker 1: on Twitter, you're saying on Instagram, if I search Bobby Bones,

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00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 1: do you even see who it is? My? Yeah, a

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00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 1: blank page with a D and fifty four followers. Blank

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00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 1: at least like a mother of three kids that post

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00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 1: all the time, So like it's hard for her to

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00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 1: give up her account, but like, come on, hasn't posted since.

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Speaker 1: But the problem is with that is? I am Mr

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00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:34,400
Speaker 1: Bobby Bones. So if I change it now and I

1093
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:36,239
Speaker 1: don't have all of the because I'm Mr Bob Bones

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00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 1: and everything. Yeah said, it's just you know, cohesiveness, keep it,

1095
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 1: but I should have that right. Yeah, it's a fun

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00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:45,359
Speaker 1: story too, is it though that I can never get

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00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 1: the freaking page? Does it sound that fun to me?

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00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 1: Her fun stories? That's not one? Ashley Cook follower the

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00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 1: Ashley Cook on Instagram and TikTok The new single already

1100
00:51:56,239 --> 00:52:00,800
Speaker 1: drank that beer is June. She's gonna be out with Breeland. Um,

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00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:03,239
Speaker 1: just go to the just Ashley Cook dot com. See

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00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 1: if you go to the Ashley Cook dot com, I

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00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:06,839
Speaker 1: would have already so Ashley Cook dot com for all

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00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 1: the dates and hey good luck. Is I feel like

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00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 1: this is the the early stage of a long career

1106
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 1: and um, a really cool life for you. That means

1107
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 1: a lot coming from you, so so thank you. Hang out,

1108
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 1: work hard, surround yourself with good people, and good things

1109
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 1: will happened to you. Yes, sir. And you know I

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00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 1: saw that jeep come in it for a second I

1111
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:28,320
Speaker 1: thought I should get another Jeep and then had a

1112
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:30,920
Speaker 1: flashback till next or I do not want another gee no,

1113
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 1: but for real, thank you guys so much for spotting

1114
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:34,799
Speaker 1: me and just playing my music in general. It really

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00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 1: means the world. I hope you guys know that if

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Speaker 1: you suck, we wouldn't do it. Thank you. A lot

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00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:41,759
Speaker 1: of good people that sock and we don't do it.

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00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 1: So if you suck, we wouldn't do it. So I

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00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:45,920
Speaker 1: just know it. That's all you all right, Ashley Cook, everybody,

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Speaker 1: thank you. All right, I'm gonna do this. I want

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00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:49,879
Speaker 1: to share with you guys a segment from our new

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00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:52,399
Speaker 1: podcast here on the Nashville Podcast Network. If you love music,

1123
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 1: so we're putting in here. It's called the Biz Tape.

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00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 1: It's a music business podcast. You're gonna love it. You

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00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 1: can learn a lot. It's fun one and also you'll

1126
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 1: be smarter if you listen to it. And this is

1127
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 1: them talking about touring and if the music business is

1128
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 1: bouncing back, etcetera. Here's a clip from the Biz Tape.

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Speaker 1: Our second point. As Colin has beautifully transitioned us into

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Speaker 1: planning for pandemics, so many leading scientists and experts have

1131
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 1: stated that COVID is not a surprising occurrence as ecosystems

1132
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 1: shift with climate change allowing for there to be a

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00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 1: more innate risk of future viruses to disrupt the world

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Speaker 1: and its economies. Do you have any more fun facts

1135
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:37,239
Speaker 1: for these? Yah, it's so really light stuff, right. So

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Speaker 1: we've seen how this past year and a half has

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00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 1: completely demolished the music industry, and as people in the

1138
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:45,799
Speaker 1: music industry scrambled to get back into the swing, it

1139
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 1: makes you wonder could we have handled this better? And

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00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 1: will we plan for the next one. So there's a

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00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:55,320
Speaker 1: couple of things that we need to like look into.

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00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 1: So first let's analyze the industry's reaction during the pandemic,

1143
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 1: and these are kind of the four big things that

1144
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:06,239
Speaker 1: we saw during the pandemics. So toward dates being canceled,

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00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:12,360
Speaker 1: industry professionals being fired as many businesses liquidate and conserve money,

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00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 1: artists and their and their teams trying to figure out

1147
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 1: how to make money on the internet or even promote,

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00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 1: and venue suffering as the pandemic is continuously drawn out

1149
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 1: and unable to receive federal aid or even charity aid

1150
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 1: in time. So there's about a million other things. But Colin,

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Speaker 1: do you think that the music industry will plan for

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00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 1: the next pandemic, and if so, what kinds of things

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00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 1: do you think would be important for the industry to

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00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:44,319
Speaker 1: focus on. So can I go down your points of like, okay,

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00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 1: so a toward dates being canceled. I definitely think that

1156
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:49,359
Speaker 1: will be planning for in the future. I think there

1157
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:52,799
Speaker 1: will be more contingencies in terms of service, especially when

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00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:56,359
Speaker 1: it comes to tickets and refunding. Um, I feel like,

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00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 1: not to be like bad big business, but I feel

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00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:02,840
Speaker 1: like a out of businesses gotten a choke hold of

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00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:05,879
Speaker 1: being like, if we don't refund these people's tickets, they

1162
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 1: are going to crucify us into the ground. And so

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Speaker 1: I feel like I could see a giant company like

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Speaker 1: a ticket master or an event right being like just

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00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 1: quietly writing in the terms of service. If this happens,

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Speaker 1: then we get to keep the ticket money, so you know,

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Speaker 1: and so I mark right, I could totally see that

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00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 1: or some sort of thing where it's like it probably

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00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 1: wouldn't be that agreed, just it would probably be more

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00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:33,799
Speaker 1: like after thirty days if it cannot be if it

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00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 1: cannot be open due to government regulate, you know what

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00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:38,919
Speaker 1: I mean, or something more legal ease. So I feel

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00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:41,719
Speaker 1: like that will be an industry professionals being fired or

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00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:45,959
Speaker 1: I will also add furloughed uh from many businesses. I

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00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 1: feel like in my personal experience, I was furlowed from

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00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:53,279
Speaker 1: my job with audio and stuff like that because I

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00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:57,440
Speaker 1: worked in touring. So I had a very good experience

1178
00:55:57,480 --> 00:56:00,839
Speaker 1: with that. Uh. They were very supportive, they worked with me.

1179
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:06,879
Speaker 1: That's not everybody's case, um, and so I feel like

1180
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 1: we have not hit the repercussions of that. And I've

1181
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:13,480
Speaker 1: talked about this in the show. A lot is touring

1182
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:17,840
Speaker 1: and touring professionals and the ability for that clientele to

1183
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 1: come back. We have not hit the apex where I

1184
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:25,000
Speaker 1: think we're getting to the point, especially now where these

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00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 1: tours and shows you know that are all these arenas

1186
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 1: are booked up, like we're going to talk about. But

1187
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 1: we haven't got to the point where it's like these

1188
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 1: things in three weeks. We need somebody to mix. Well,

1189
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 1: all your mixers have been gone, they got a different job,

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00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 1: they did this, they've been gone for a year. You're

1191
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:41,399
Speaker 1: gonna have to get somebody whose a little bit more

1192
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 1: not as experience, and that might suffer for customers and

1193
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:46,279
Speaker 1: stuff like that. I feel like if you see that

1194
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 1: happen a lot of businesses they're gonna, you know, pony up,

1195
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:54,319
Speaker 1: and um, then we got artists in their teams trying

1196
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:55,920
Speaker 1: to figure out how to make money on the internet

1197
00:56:55,960 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 1: or even promote. That definitely has completely changed. Um. People

1198
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 1: are coming up with revenue streams that they had no

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Speaker 1: idea before. And I would also like to add I

1200
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 1: feel like everyone says that, but I would also like

1201
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:11,520
Speaker 1: to importantly add people are remembering and noting income streams

1202
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:14,759
Speaker 1: that they should have paid attention from this entire time,

1203
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 1: like what they should have been focusing on before, or

1204
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 1: at least had like some form of handle. I mean,

1205
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 1: we had our buddies that green from s sack on here,

1206
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 1: and we're talking about p r o s and all

1207
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 1: these people basically coming up going where's my pr O money?

1208
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:29,560
Speaker 1: I heard there's this magic pr O money. Well, it

1209
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 1: looks like you should have been keeping up with that

1210
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 1: for a while because it could be in a black

1211
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:37,040
Speaker 1: box somewhere where you know, or something like that. And

1212
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 1: so we've seen that, and then on the new front,

1213
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 1: we've seen you know, Patreon is you know, catapulted a

1214
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:47,920
Speaker 1: lot of artists up live streaming in general. The idea

1215
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 1: of that, I could not imagine the point pointing to

1216
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:52,360
Speaker 1: someone in tent nineteen and going hey, you should just

1217
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 1: do like a live stream set. They'd be like why

1218
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:58,439
Speaker 1: why why could like I'd be making more money right

1219
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 1: playing Broadway and yeah, exactly, and so like what's the point?

1220
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:05,440
Speaker 1: And then last its venues suffering as the pandemic is

1221
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 1: continuously drawn out and not receiving federal aid. I think personally,

1222
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 1: this is probably the biggest one we will not learn from.

1223
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:17,440
Speaker 1: I think there are a lot of venues, especially with

1224
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 1: how this federal aid money has gone through, that will die,

1225
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:26,680
Speaker 1: that will be closed, and we will just forget that happened,

1226
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:29,720
Speaker 1: and people will just get new jobs and they will

1227
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:33,160
Speaker 1: go to either a different industry or they'll collapse into

1228
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 1: different venues, or they'll start their own venues. But I

1229
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 1: don't think the general public or the government has really

1230
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 1: taken back to the impact that it has happened. Like

1231
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 1: obviously it's like we're all suffering, but like specifically on venues,

1232
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 1: I feel like the general public hasn't really been like, oh, yeah,

1233
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:56,240
Speaker 1: if your job is to attract people every day of

1234
00:58:56,320 --> 00:59:00,440
Speaker 1: your life, the pandemic and future viruses are going to

1235
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:04,320
Speaker 1: really mess that up and so yeah, I think that's

1236
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 1: probably out of your four points here, I think that's

1237
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 1: the one that is going to go down the drain.

1238
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 1: I agree. I think it also venues are definitely taking

1239
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:16,160
Speaker 1: note after this year of of like, you know what,

1240
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:19,600
Speaker 1: it's it's one of those things where the arts is

1241
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:23,480
Speaker 1: always under funded. It's always the last thing to get funded,

1242
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:27,760
Speaker 1: and to to come up with a way in order

1243
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 1: to leverage to get federal aid money in the future

1244
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:35,520
Speaker 1: I think is imperative. Um, But I agree with you.

1245
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:38,520
Speaker 1: I think people, I honestly think the industry is going

1246
00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 1: to forget. Has happened to a certain extent, especially if

1247
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:44,520
Speaker 1: it's getting insane buzz and if things go back to

1248
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:49,080
Speaker 1: normal and we start having like very very high earning years.

1249
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:52,960
Speaker 1: I think that you know, the industry does that all

1250
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 1: the time. You know, they have we have like these

1251
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:58,320
Speaker 1: huge high earning earning years and then they have a

1252
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 1: disruptor come in and they go, well, shit, it's the

1253
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:05,920
Speaker 1: disruptor's fault that I'm fucked up right now, you know.

1254
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:07,560
Speaker 1: I kind of agree that, and I kind of don't.

1255
01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:09,919
Speaker 1: I think we've seen I think in this case, this

1256
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:13,120
Speaker 1: was like this was out of it seems like for

1257
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:14,640
Speaker 1: a lot of Yeah, it seems like for a lot

1258
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 1: of people, it's more of like this happened, but it's

1259
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:20,120
Speaker 1: something that we need to learn from, right and we

1260
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:23,080
Speaker 1: and and so like I feel, I completely agree is

1261
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:26,680
Speaker 1: people have this mentality of this happened, now it's over,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's like this was like

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Speaker 1: a nineteen seventeen bird flu and now, well a hundred

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Speaker 1: years from now, maybe we'll have another one that's that

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Speaker 1: bad or something. So it's very specific. That's the last

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Speaker 1: really big pandemic. I feel like that hit America on

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Speaker 1: a wide scale. So that's what I was saying. And

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Speaker 1: so I not know that I do fun, but we

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Speaker 1: also teach social studies here. Um, but I guess going

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Speaker 1: on of how the music industry now is coping with

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Speaker 1: the pandemic, there's something that's very interesting. So we've all

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Speaker 1: seen a bunch of uh, I mean concerts happening in

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Speaker 1: our towns. We've all seen Venie's booked up, sold out.

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Speaker 1: You might even see some people announcing their tours, but

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Speaker 1: guess what, their arenas are all booked up. So as

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Speaker 1: more and more shows begin happening, arenas are in an

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Speaker 1: awkward position as a traffic jam. Of artists have begun

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Speaker 1: attempting to book more shows than the arenas can handle,

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Speaker 1: making tour planning more difficult than it has been in

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Speaker 1: previous years. So acts who have pushed dates out to

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Speaker 1: next year are wanting slots before one is up because

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Speaker 1: they're seeing everybody is selling out their shows and in

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Speaker 1: making a bunch of money and uh and even setting

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Speaker 1: some records. Um, So they're trying their best to just

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Speaker 1: grab those dates and like push them up a little

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Speaker 1: bit further. You know, they they'll take a pay cut

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Speaker 1: right to get that date up higher. But many talent

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Speaker 1: agents are having to navigate having trouble also navigating COVID

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Speaker 1: protocols depending on each state in their tours. So right now,

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Speaker 1: as a talent agent, you have this specific region, you

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Speaker 1: have the Northeastern region right that you're booking your talent

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Speaker 1: for it, and you have to call up all these

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Speaker 1: arenas and your artists decided, hey, we're gonna just book him.

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Speaker 1: That's going to be it, and you gotta come and

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Speaker 1: you gotta be like, hey man, he wants he wants

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Speaker 1: to do it this year. Here's kind of our deal points.

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Speaker 1: We're going to change, like, I don't know, we'll drop

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Speaker 1: our our advance to this amount of money or something.

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Speaker 1: If you can get us in this slot and we

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Speaker 1: think we can sell out your show, well, the venue

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Speaker 1: has the awkward thing of saying, well, tough luck, buddy,

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Speaker 1: because I got like thirty other people in front of you,

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Speaker 1: so there's nothing much I can do for you. And

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Speaker 1: would you like a Thursday night? Would you like a

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Speaker 1: Tuesday after Tuesday afternoon? Yeah? But this has also because

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Speaker 1: this this I guess traffic jam is also caused because

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Speaker 1: many artists under Live Nation a G are expect Tinco

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Speaker 1: to go on tour and are even getting restless because

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Speaker 1: like a G and Live Nation can't book them. And

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Speaker 1: then some artists have even seen the trend and decided

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Speaker 1: to hold off a bit before announcing tours due to

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Speaker 1: the traffic so they don't have to backtrack. So it's

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Speaker 1: gonna be really awkward if you come out and say, hey, guys,

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Speaker 1: guess what we're doing to doing a national tour. It's

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Speaker 1: gonna be awesome. Here are the ticket links. The next

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Speaker 1: week you're like, hey, guys, guess what we You know,

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Speaker 1: eight out of those ten dates that we decided to do. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they're gone, right, I couldn't get a booked. So here's

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Speaker 1: here's my thing with it. Um, there is a interesting

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Speaker 1: thing that is happening here and it has to do

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Speaker 1: with how, in my opinion, how album cycles work. When

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Speaker 1: the COVID started, everyone and their mother and their manager said,

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Speaker 1: you go and make an album. And guess what they did.

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Speaker 1: They made that album and they either released it during

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Speaker 1: the pandemic or they saved it. Now, what do you do.

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Speaker 1: What is the point of an album? It is to

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Speaker 1: do live shows, Yes, it is. That's where your money is.

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Speaker 1: So all of these people now have this and we'll

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Speaker 1: get into recoupable money later, which will be fun. But

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Speaker 1: have this money sometimes from labels that they need to

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Speaker 1: pay back or people they need to actively pay back,

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Speaker 1: like their producers or session musicians, and they need that

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Speaker 1: money and they need to get on the tour and

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Speaker 1: they want to. As you I can see you're trying

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Speaker 1: to olliterate. Here is hit that huge wave of demand

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Speaker 1: because like we've kind of theorized, and I think people

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Speaker 1: are getting more into this mindset. Everyone and their mother

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Speaker 1: is going to be like, I want to go to

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Speaker 1: a concert for about some period of time. If you

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Speaker 1: can guess it correctly, you're going to be a millionaire.

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Speaker 1: But that period of time will not last forever. It

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Speaker 1: almost reminds me of how like you see pictures of

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Speaker 1: like going back to our social studies, Thank you for

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Speaker 1: our educators here, uh is like after World War Two

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Speaker 1: where you see like the pictures of people in New

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Speaker 1: York kissing each other. That didn't happen for ten years.

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Speaker 1: That happened for a period of time for a couple

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Speaker 1: of months. Everyone was happy, you know, and then it wane.

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Speaker 1: And so I feel like in the same way with

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Speaker 1: this COVID stuff and opening up and as everything gets

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Speaker 1: more opened up in more vaccines, people are hoping they

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Speaker 1: hit this wave because not only can they you know,

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Speaker 1: be recouped if they owe money, they can make a

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Speaker 1: lot of money, especially artists who are smaller. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we've seen smaller artists in in Nashville getting sold out

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Speaker 1: shows that might otherwise have not been sold out. Well,

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Speaker 1: you know, And the funny part is is that there's

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Speaker 1: a plethora of venues that exists that have totally not

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Speaker 1: gone under that can handle the infrastructure of this, which

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Speaker 1: is another thing because you know, if you can't get

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Speaker 1: your arena show, you're gonna go to the next best thing,

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Speaker 1: which is a higher, bigger capacity club or amphitheater. You

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Speaker 1: hope that might not be around anymore, right, and you

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Speaker 1: hope that you can go down and go, hey, I'm

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Speaker 1: a bigger person. Can you knock this down to your

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Speaker 1: lower venue? Like if I trade with this guy, will

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Speaker 1: you give them the lower venue? Sorry, the lower venues

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Speaker 1: also booked, so you can't do that either, So like

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Speaker 1: it doesn't work that way, and so it's real rough.

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Speaker 1: So this is gonna be This is literally if you

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Speaker 1: did not pick up the phone fast enough that literally

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Speaker 1: sometimes days in between each other, you could be jeopardizing

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Speaker 1: having tour if you're a huge artist like that. Because

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Speaker 1: of the logistics of it too, the bigger you get,

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Speaker 1: the more time and planning you need, so it's even worse. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean talent agents really they like what they do

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Speaker 1: is they book these tours. Usually in a normal market,

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Speaker 1: they'll book the tours like a year out, usually like

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Speaker 1: a year to six months is kind of the range.

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Speaker 1: And now have had to play a gambling game where

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Speaker 1: it's like I'm putting all my money on red Oh

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Speaker 1: and then people have also already lost this game. There

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Speaker 1: have been people who did this in you know who

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Speaker 1: did this in July of last year. They said, we're

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Speaker 1: putting all our money on Red and they go because

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Speaker 1: COVID is gonna go away because it's the summertime, and

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Speaker 1: they saw their colleagues lose. So there, you know, in

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Speaker 1: this in this pickle where it's like, I think it's

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Speaker 1: really bad guys. I think we're in it. I think

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Speaker 1: we can do it, but it's also really scary and

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Speaker 1: super competitive. So I'm afraid who's gonna get burned in

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Speaker 1: the situation. I don't think it's going to be the Arenas. Hey,

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Speaker 1: this is Joe and Colin from The Biz Tape podcast,

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