WEBVTT - REPLAY - VAN LATHAN - Angola State Grilled Cheese Part 1

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, guys, welcome to another episode of Eating While Broke.

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<v Speaker 1>We are not in La today. We are over here

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<v Speaker 1>at eighty five South Studios with the special guests of

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<v Speaker 1>the day. Van Lengthen is in the building. You guys

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<v Speaker 1>may know him as podcaster, Academy Award winning executive producer.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, but I like to acknowledge you as the

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<v Speaker 1>man that stood up to Kanye West in the TMZ

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<v Speaker 1>office commissioner of the Commissioner. And we're gonna leave the

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<v Speaker 1>commission of the BBI off. But Van, before we get

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<v Speaker 1>into where you're at today, I want you to take

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<v Speaker 1>me back to where you were when you were broke.

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<v Speaker 1>What dish you're gonna have.

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<v Speaker 2>Cook for us to eat today, so you can start

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<v Speaker 2>with that.

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<v Speaker 3>So I get out of college around I would say

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<v Speaker 3>two thousand and three. Two thousand and three. I get

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<v Speaker 3>out of college, and there's this like transitional period in

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<v Speaker 3>my life because I was always interested in people's stories,

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<v Speaker 3>and everybody's story seems so linear. Every story seems linear

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<v Speaker 3>when you're at the end of it. Everybody has a

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<v Speaker 3>moment that something happened for them. Everybody has a moment

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<v Speaker 3>that they realize something. But when you're in the middle

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<v Speaker 3>of it. You don't know you'll know when it's gonna

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<v Speaker 3>happen for you, you don't know how it's going to happen

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<v Speaker 3>for you. Certain people have more certainty than other people do,

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<v Speaker 3>but all you can do is work and try. And

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<v Speaker 3>I get to this point, and it's this weird, odd

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<v Speaker 3>point where I'm like, nothing that I thought was going

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<v Speaker 3>to happen and or no way that I wanted to

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<v Speaker 3>go is the way that I wanted to go.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're graduated, we're taking back to when you graduated, right, And.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm working at best Buy And this is the

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<v Speaker 3>same time that The College Dropout has come out. Around

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<v Speaker 3>that same time, Conye's first album, and what he's talking

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<v Speaker 3>about great album. He's talking about disillusioned high school graduates

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<v Speaker 3>who now have to realize that they're not going to

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<v Speaker 3>conquer the world, that what they're going to do is

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<v Speaker 3>enter into the American workforce and they're going to be

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<v Speaker 3>a part of something, and everything that they did it's

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<v Speaker 3>not just not as meaningful as they thought it was

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<v Speaker 3>going to be. In a way, it's spiritually debilitating. And

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<v Speaker 3>the song is the whole album is about breaking free

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<v Speaker 3>of that. Really it's about saying, hey, like I dropped out,

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<v Speaker 3>but I dropped out. I took a path that is,

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<v Speaker 3>let's admire but in a way drowned upon in order

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<v Speaker 3>to be more alive. Like I'm not killing myself, and

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<v Speaker 3>so I'm to the point to where I'm like having

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<v Speaker 3>an exisential crisis. I'm like, yo, I'm killing myself. It's

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<v Speaker 3>not it's not working. And so many things happen within

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<v Speaker 3>this two year period. My parents divorced. My mom leaves

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<v Speaker 3>the house, and that was very transformative for me, because,

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<v Speaker 3>like when a woman leaves a home right away, everything

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<v Speaker 3>gets less.

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<v Speaker 1>What you were you were talking about after college though?

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<v Speaker 1>Were you living at home with your parents?

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<v Speaker 3>Sure?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh you were during college?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I went to Southern University in bat Ruge. Had

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<v Speaker 3>gone away to school and then I came back and

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<v Speaker 3>I went to Southern University because I wanted to be

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<v Speaker 3>around all of my friends. So I was still living

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<v Speaker 3>in home. The school was about ten minutes away from

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<v Speaker 3>where we lived.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so how old were you when your parents were.

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<v Speaker 3>Like two or twenty three?

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<v Speaker 1>And so you actually got to see it.

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<v Speaker 3>I got to see it, right, I got to see it.

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<v Speaker 3>There's two people divorcing and not mommy and daddy divorcing.

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<v Speaker 3>And I also got to see.

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<v Speaker 1>Just what do you mean they're not mommy and daddy divorcing.

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<v Speaker 3>It wasn't mommy and daddy divorcing when you're ten and

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<v Speaker 3>your parents break up, you're thirteen, fourteen, mommy and daddy

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<v Speaker 3>are divorcing. In my life, Crystal and Terry got a

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<v Speaker 3>divorce because I had enough of a frame of mind

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<v Speaker 3>or a frame of reference, should I say, for these

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<v Speaker 3>people to know who they kind of really were at

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<v Speaker 3>that point. So I knew the anger that my father had,

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<v Speaker 3>I knew the paranoia that my mother had. I knew

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<v Speaker 3>that these were two people that were on diverging spiritual

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<v Speaker 3>growth the journey, should I say, and that they were

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<v Speaker 3>no longer compatible, and like what that means, Like when

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<v Speaker 3>you're a kid, it's like, oh, you guys are gonna

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<v Speaker 3>get split up. Okay, who am I going to live with?

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<v Speaker 3>It's not the concern for me. The concern for me

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<v Speaker 3>is do these people still get to live the version

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<v Speaker 3>of their life that they want to live now that

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<v Speaker 3>they're no longer together? And so when I saw that,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, my mom, I was actually happy for them

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<v Speaker 3>that they had made the decision. I was happy for

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<v Speaker 3>them that my mother, I thought, Okay, this is a

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<v Speaker 3>new life for her. She had felt beaten down by

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of things emotionally, she had felt unsupported by

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of things emotionally, and obviously, with my father

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<v Speaker 3>doing some of the things that he was doing, he

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<v Speaker 3>must have been unhappy too. So maybe this is a

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<v Speaker 3>new life for them. I'm young enough to think at

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<v Speaker 3>that point that severing that type of relationship in some

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<v Speaker 3>way could be a positive for those two people as

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<v Speaker 3>much as they loved each other, and loved each other

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<v Speaker 3>until my father passed away. But immediately she left the

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<v Speaker 3>house and it was two niggas living in the house

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<v Speaker 3>that didn't know how to do shit, Like the house

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<v Speaker 3>just became It's like, it's just like, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember, were you young, the youngest two or something? Who

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<v Speaker 1>are you the youngest in your family? Because you said

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<v Speaker 1>it was just the two, Yeah I was.

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<v Speaker 3>I was the youngest in the family. I was the

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<v Speaker 3>only one still around. My sister had gone. My dad

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<v Speaker 3>had other kids, but they were gone. But like, so

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<v Speaker 3>it's just me and him.

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<v Speaker 1>Your dad had other kids, Yeah, what do you mean

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<v Speaker 1>he had other kids?

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<v Speaker 3>A nigga. You know what I mean A lot? Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>that's what I'm saying. So it was, it was that's

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<v Speaker 3>another reason why you're happy for her to go and

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<v Speaker 3>have a chance at a life that is for her.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah right, And so you.

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<v Speaker 3>Know, me and him are there and it's like she

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<v Speaker 3>she's your mom, but she's also like a genius in creating.

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<v Speaker 3>She's a genius in keeping things running. She you get

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<v Speaker 3>taught this lesson of misogyny, and the lesson is that

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<v Speaker 3>somebody leaves the house and they gonna make a whole

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<v Speaker 3>bunch of money. And my mother worked too and made

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of money. But somebody leaves the house and

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<v Speaker 3>gona makes a lot of money, and then they come

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<v Speaker 3>back into a castle and everything that they touch inside

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<v Speaker 3>the house turns to go. But you don't realize that

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<v Speaker 3>there's somebody who's keeping your life beautiful. There's someone who's

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<v Speaker 3>who's attention to detail, somebody whose ability to multitask, somebody

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<v Speaker 3>who who looks out for things. Somebody who when something's

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<v Speaker 3>broke they go, Okay, you gotta fix that. Somebody who

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<v Speaker 3>when something doesn't work, they okay, we gotta get it working.

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<v Speaker 3>And the moment that she left. It was the house

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<v Speaker 3>crumbled and fell apart, like the turn on the stove, pop,

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<v Speaker 3>pop the ille pop. And I look at him and

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<v Speaker 3>he looks at me, and I'm like, right, she gets

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<v Speaker 3>that fixed. That motherfucker popped till we got out of

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<v Speaker 3>the house. Him never fixed it, right. The washing machine broke,

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<v Speaker 3>never got fixed, you know what I mean. It's just

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<v Speaker 3>just like little stuff like that. Like my mother used

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<v Speaker 3>to come out. This was a big, beautiful home on

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<v Speaker 3>about sixty acres that we had had. She would come

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<v Speaker 3>out and she would spray paint like like power washed

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<v Speaker 3>the outside of the house. A where everything like just

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<v Speaker 3>me and him were just too focused on the individual

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<v Speaker 3>things that we were doing to care about all of that.

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<v Speaker 3>The place was just less beautiful because the woman of

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<v Speaker 3>the house had gone wow. And so during that whole time,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm also broke. I'm also broke. I'm I'm I'm working

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<v Speaker 3>at best Buy. I'm like, I'm treading water. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know what I want to do. And then Hurricane Katrina comes.

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<v Speaker 3>And so when Hurricane Katrina comes, this is like a

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<v Speaker 3>weird two year period of my life, Like everything changes,

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<v Speaker 3>like society crumbles, everybody strapped for cash because you've taken

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<v Speaker 3>on so much more. You got relatives living with you

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<v Speaker 3>that come down from down in the city. Everything's different

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<v Speaker 3>and now everyone's trying to stretch that dollar. You're eating different,

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<v Speaker 3>you're feeling different, and it just doesn't feel like there's

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<v Speaker 3>any abundance. It didn't feel like that in my life.

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<v Speaker 3>And so that's when that was the most. That was

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<v Speaker 3>the point, honestly, from two thousand and three to two

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<v Speaker 3>thousand and five, that was the point where I figured

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<v Speaker 3>out myself. I moved to LA in two thousand and six.

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<v Speaker 3>By the time I got to LA, I could fucking

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<v Speaker 3>handle anything. I could handle anything. I had buried homeboys,

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<v Speaker 3>I had put relaty in the ground. There was nothing

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<v Speaker 3>the world had showed me like some really ill shit.

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<v Speaker 3>And so when I got out there and was dealing

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<v Speaker 3>with LA, it was a piece of cake.

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<v Speaker 1>So you also navigated, So what this are you gonna

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<v Speaker 1>have us eat today? Real cheese, grilled cheese. It's the

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<v Speaker 1>staple and the most simplastic and delicious meal. Did you

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<v Speaker 1>have to add any tomato, soup or anything? Or you

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<v Speaker 1>just didn't the legendary.

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<v Speaker 3>Fuck all that butter bread cheese shout out to my

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<v Speaker 3>uncle David resting piece. Shout out to my uncle Mark,

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<v Speaker 3>rest in peace. These guys taught me the beauty the

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<v Speaker 3>grilled cheese. And you know where they learned it at?

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<v Speaker 1>Where?

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<v Speaker 3>So you think, Nah, where you think they learned the

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<v Speaker 3>grilled cheese at these two uncles? What do you think?

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<v Speaker 1>Someone screamoda jail, jail.

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<v Speaker 3>I could tell what y'a you've been. I can tell

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<v Speaker 3>what kind of life you'd have been living. They they

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<v Speaker 3>they learned the grilled cheese in jail. They were grilled

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<v Speaker 3>cheese mechanics.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>They came back in here and they was like, I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know it was jail because they because because what

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<v Speaker 3>because yeah? Because because we know right there was grilled

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<v Speaker 3>cheese mechanics.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, well, let's see, let's judge your grilled cheese.

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<v Speaker 3>I haven't made it in a long time because the

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<v Speaker 3>nigga is not broke no more.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I've been doing this show for. This

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<v Speaker 1>will be our this is our third season. We're taping

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<v Speaker 1>right now. And some of the dishes are so good

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<v Speaker 1>on this show that I go home and I'll make

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<v Speaker 1>it broken, not broke, make it They're good.

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<v Speaker 3>Butter is a very it's very sensual. Look at butter.

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<v Speaker 3>Wash this wash thiss, just wash this. Oh daddy, you

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<v Speaker 3>hear that. Look at the butter go Oh my god,

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<v Speaker 3>butter is like delectable.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Oh yeah, I used butter on my cooking.

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<v Speaker 3>Really, what's that? What's that? What's that? Blood pressure? Like?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, but I'm really healthy. We're really healthy.

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<v Speaker 3>Like what you get a church, Well, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>If you could do a good grilled cheese. I'm watching

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<v Speaker 1>the way you're making this girl.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not gonna be good.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm concerned. I'm concerned because I feel like you are

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<v Speaker 1>gonna butcher this grilled cheese.

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<v Speaker 3>It's it's not gonna be good. I can already tell

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<v Speaker 3>you it's not gonna be good. You know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, yeah, because these jail birds, they definitely jail

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<v Speaker 1>the right way. How much cheese is gonna put on

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<v Speaker 1>this grilled cheese?

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<v Speaker 3>A lot?

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<v Speaker 1>This is how you did it, broke. Yeah, man, you

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<v Speaker 1>put three pieces of cheese on your broke grilled cheese.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if you know this, but like I'm

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<v Speaker 3>a big ass nigga.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah nah, bro, you're being judged and right now this

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<v Speaker 1>grilled cheese is looking like it's not cool. We're gonna see.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll see well, I mean, we'll see what happens. Cash.

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<v Speaker 3>Your question, is this show to judge people to get inspired?

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<v Speaker 1>You know what? The first the first season and a half,

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<v Speaker 1>I was very nice with people's feelings, and then I

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<v Speaker 1>had someone make tunic castro.

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<v Speaker 3>Motherfucker.

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<v Speaker 1>It was terrible. Well, we tape in LA. Usually like

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<v Speaker 1>eighty five did this whole thing for us. Shout outs

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<v Speaker 1>to eighty five. They did the whole cook top and

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<v Speaker 1>whole build this whole kitchen. I'm in love with it.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I'm gonna have to come to Atlanta more. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I like it. It's cool. I haven't seen much out

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<v Speaker 1>here yet.

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<v Speaker 3>Where do you travel to? Where do you go?

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<v Speaker 1>What do you mean? Where do I go?

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<v Speaker 3>And where do you be at?

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be I'll be at LA, New.

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<v Speaker 3>York, LA New York is Okay New York, Okay, La,

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<v Speaker 3>New York.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm from there. You know. Let's focus on y'all story

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<v Speaker 1>for sure. Okay. So you graduate, you moved to LA

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<v Speaker 1>and you graduate with what degree?

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<v Speaker 3>I have a political science and English degree?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay? And your goal in life before you left.

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<v Speaker 3>College was to be an attorney.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, and then you got to La to.

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<v Speaker 3>Be uh in the movie game?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay? What happened in between those times to make you

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<v Speaker 1>change your career?

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<v Speaker 3>I spoke to a lot of attorneys.

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<v Speaker 1>You found out they don't like their jobs.

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<v Speaker 3>What I found out. So, my brother Jabriel is one

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<v Speaker 3>of the most brilliant people I've ever known. Super brilliant,

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<v Speaker 3>like ridiculously smart, right smart in a way that's almost inaccessible.

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<v Speaker 3>And he went to Morehouse here in Atlanta, and then

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<v Speaker 3>he went to Stanford, one of the greatest law schools

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<v Speaker 3>in the world. And he didn't have a specific love

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<v Speaker 3>for the law, if you ask me, but he is

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<v Speaker 3>just an incredibly successful person. And it didn't seem like

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<v Speaker 3>to me like that was going to be a fulfilling life.

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<v Speaker 3>What I like to do is commiserate, talk, create. Obviously

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<v Speaker 3>I like to go back and forth on all of

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<v Speaker 3>that stuff, But more than anything, I want to create

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<v Speaker 3>things that made people think and discuss. And I don't

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<v Speaker 3>think that that was going to be something that was

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<v Speaker 3>possible as an attorney.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. Now a little backstory, So did all your siblings

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<v Speaker 1>graduate college? No, okay, or any any of them, similar

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<v Speaker 1>to yours shows, similar to your path.

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<v Speaker 3>My sister's a poet. Okay, she's one of the greatest

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<v Speaker 3>poets in the.

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<v Speaker 1>World, really, I think. So she made money on it.

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<v Speaker 3>She made no money on it, but she is ridiculously talented.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm inspired by her every single day because she

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<v Speaker 3>creates no matter what the circumstance is, and that, to me,

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<v Speaker 3>is more impressive than somebody who gets flown all over

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<v Speaker 3>the world to create. She creates because she must create,

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<v Speaker 3>and not because it's incredibly lucrative for her to create.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's in her. It's in her, and that makes

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<v Speaker 3>me feel good.

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<v Speaker 1>So you get to LA, what's the next step.

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<v Speaker 3>I work for a place called Capricorn Programs for a while.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you do there?

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<v Speaker 3>I produce a show called Cybernet. It's a video game show.

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<v Speaker 3>So when I first get out to LA, I am

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<v Speaker 3>playing video games for a living and then reporting on

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<v Speaker 3>those video games on this show, Cybernet, and writing for

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<v Speaker 3>the show. Okay, and then then something happens. What happens

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<v Speaker 3>that company goes belly up financial crisis. So when that

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<v Speaker 3>company goes belly up, guess what I get to do?

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<v Speaker 1>Live on unemployment? Hell yeah, I love unemployment.

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<v Speaker 3>Yep. And I become one of the world's foremost pick

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<v Speaker 3>up basketball players. Every gym in La you see me,

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<v Speaker 3>twenty four hour fitness, you see me.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh you didn't try to hustle on top of the unemployment.

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<v Speaker 3>I definitely did. But the most thing that I did

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<v Speaker 3>was just play ball and vibe and right. I wrote

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<v Speaker 3>so much. I wrote so much, so much stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>But how long were you on unemployment? A year?

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<v Speaker 3>Two?

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<v Speaker 1>You can be on unemployment two years.

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<v Speaker 3>You have to remember that at this time it was

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<v Speaker 3>the financial crisis, so they were extending benefits to meet

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<v Speaker 3>people's the years. It's two eighty and then it's like

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<v Speaker 3>going into twenty ten basics, and let me tell you

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<v Speaker 3>what happens. There's a true story. So I'm on unemployment,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm doing my thing. I'm walking into the gym LA Fitness, Hollywood.

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<v Speaker 3>Everybody there knows me. I'm walking into the gym. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>walking into the gym. And as I'm walking into the gym,

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<v Speaker 3>a lady outside the gym says, hey, you want to

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<v Speaker 3>take place in the c you want to take part

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<v Speaker 3>in the survey. Like yeah, sure, no problem. She's like,

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<v Speaker 3>take part in the survey, and we like what you say,

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<v Speaker 3>will give you five hundred dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh shit.

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<v Speaker 3>And I was like, hell yeah, okay, so I do

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<v Speaker 3>the whole thing. I do my whole little stick. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>on a little small camera that she has, and she goes,

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<v Speaker 3>we like you, we want you to come out to

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<v Speaker 3>this place, do even more stuff right and take place

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<v Speaker 3>in this gigantic, bigger survey. Well, it's not a big deal.

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<v Speaker 3>We're gonna have you try out these products. And when

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<v Speaker 3>you try these products, we're just gonna ask you what

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<v Speaker 3>you think about them. I'm like, cool, the problem, all right?

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<v Speaker 3>So I decide to go to this thing. We cheese

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<v Speaker 3>it up right now.

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<v Speaker 1>It actually looks really good. Impressed.

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<v Speaker 3>And so I go to this thing into Van Eys,

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<v Speaker 3>you know where van So I go in there and

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<v Speaker 3>I'm into the little deal or whatever, and a guy goes, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>this is what you're gonna do. I want you to

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<v Speaker 3>go in here, take a shower and use this shampoo.

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<v Speaker 3>They're doing product testing. Take a shower, use this shampoo.

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<v Speaker 3>Right when you get out of there, brush your tea,

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<v Speaker 3>use this toothbrush in this toothpaste. Cool. It's like, don't

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<v Speaker 3>do this don't do that stuff. We took those products

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<v Speaker 3>off the list. And then when you come in here,

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<v Speaker 3>we want you to shave with this razor. And I'm like, well,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not shaving my beer. He goes, yeah, well you

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<v Speaker 3>can just shave at the top and on the and

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<v Speaker 3>right here. Just tell us what you think about it.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, cool, no problem. So after that, cool, I

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<v Speaker 3>do all this stuff. I get into this little room

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<v Speaker 3>and inside of this room is two other guys in

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<v Speaker 3>the room and they got towels on and I'm looking around.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, yo, what's going on here? What is this?

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<v Speaker 3>I try to weigh myself on the scale. Scale doesn't work.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm looking in the room. The room looks like a gym,

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<v Speaker 3>except I know that we're not in a gym. Like,

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<v Speaker 3>what's going on? So I start using the uh, the

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<v Speaker 3>the razor, doing like this. And when I start using

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<v Speaker 3>the razor, somebody jumps out with a camera and they say, hey,

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<v Speaker 3>are you ready for the Gilet Fusion pro Glide Challenge.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a commercial. Oh my gosh, And I'm like, oh shit.

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<v Speaker 3>And so I'm using the thing. I'm doing the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going back and forth to God I'm having fun.

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<v Speaker 3>After the thing is over, I walk in there and

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<v Speaker 3>everybody's clapping.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, hey, why how are you doing?

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<v Speaker 3>You did a great job. You're in a commercial boom

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<v Speaker 3>and boom, So don't make five hundred dollars. I make

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<v Speaker 3>three thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>Yet the freaking out so high because.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a uh, we're done, baby special.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a really good looking grilled cheese. Look at that.

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<v Speaker 1>The cheese is bubbling, guys.

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<v Speaker 3>It's bubbling over and it's a little buttered in.

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<v Speaker 1>I just learned a trick and making grilled cheese. What

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<v Speaker 1>is it to stack a lot of cheese in the middle.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, cheese is actually a pretty staple ingredient to the.

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<v Speaker 1>Grilled cheese, I know, but I usually just put like

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<v Speaker 1>one or two. Yours is like, first of all, you

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<v Speaker 1>did it really impressed me.

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<v Speaker 3>I tell you, I tell you, I tell you why

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<v Speaker 3>though that's why you're healthy, though you said you were

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<v Speaker 3>healthy before.

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<v Speaker 1>Look at the like the even colored color. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if it's you did it really impressive grilled cheese?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, yeah, just low and slow. Okay. So look, so

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<v Speaker 3>I'm there and they're like, okay, so it's Saturday. So

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<v Speaker 3>the five hundred bucks that you were promised, you get

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<v Speaker 3>that it's Saturday, so you get double the session fee

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<v Speaker 3>on that, plus like whatever you get like a holding

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<v Speaker 3>fee and all of that stuff. So I ended up

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<v Speaker 3>making like three thousand dollars for this commercial. Let me

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<v Speaker 3>tell you what kind of American I am. I come

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<v Speaker 3>home and I'm doing my unemployment and it asked if

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<v Speaker 3>you made any money? Yep, Why I put the money

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<v Speaker 3>on there?

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<v Speaker 1>Why?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I've seen niggas get the death penalty

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<v Speaker 3>for less, So so I put so, I put the

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<v Speaker 3>money on there. I put the money on there, and

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<v Speaker 3>this is what happens. They then readjust my unemployment quarterly.

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<v Speaker 1>Like me, Yeah, I would have told you not to

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<v Speaker 1>do that.

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<v Speaker 3>So quarterly. So it goes from being I go from

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<v Speaker 3>getting five hundred dollars a week in unemployment to seventy

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<v Speaker 3>five dollars a week in unemployment. So I go, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>this is the deal. It's not. Obviously they don't think

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<v Speaker 3>a nigga can live off this. So I'm just gonna

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<v Speaker 3>go up to the unemployment office. I'm gonna talk to

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<v Speaker 3>these people. That's why I'm a deal. I'm gona go

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<v Speaker 3>up to the uneployment for somena talk to these people.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm straighten this whole thing out. So I go up

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<v Speaker 3>there to the unemployment office in Pasadena. I'll never forget.

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<v Speaker 3>The lady was like, baby, ain't nothing we can do.

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<v Speaker 3>It's in the computer. I was like, uh, I can't

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<v Speaker 3>live on this blah blah blah in the computer. So

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<v Speaker 3>I needed a job. I had to have a job.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know what, the funny thing was, the ge

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<v Speaker 3>let that commercial ended up like making me that commercial

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<v Speaker 3>ran Oh shit, I didn't know anything. I didn't know

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<v Speaker 3>anything about being a commercial actor. So I would get

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<v Speaker 3>a holding check every now and again. And then I

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<v Speaker 3>started making money off the commercial. But that's later. I

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<v Speaker 3>didn't notice. I came home, and when I came home,

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, I have to find a job. I

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<v Speaker 3>pulled up entertainment careers dot net. The first job was

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<v Speaker 3>TMS tour Guide. You were a tour guide, yep, it

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<v Speaker 3>was being a tour guy. TMS was starting a tour

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<v Speaker 3>and the tour was like you go around to different

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<v Speaker 3>places and you show people different things that happened like

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<v Speaker 3>on TMZ, Like we would show you where Josh Hartnett

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<v Speaker 3>got diarrhea. We would show you where Michael Richards fucked

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<v Speaker 3>up at the laugh Factory. It's actually a pretty good tour.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm actually I was one of the first GUIDs on

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<v Speaker 3>the tour. I was the first guid on the tour.

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<v Speaker 3>So actually a little bit of pride in the fact

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<v Speaker 3>that we were able to jump that off and make

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<v Speaker 3>it a thing, because it's still going right now. So

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<v Speaker 3>I get in there and I do that. I apply.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a brilliant concept now that I think about it.

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<v Speaker 3>The revolutionize the whole game. So I apply, and they're

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<v Speaker 3>doing the tours like American Idol. They have all of

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<v Speaker 3>these tour guys in there, and then every week they

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<v Speaker 3>cut a guy. So I'm in there and like they

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<v Speaker 3>have me coming in there and whatever. I get the

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<v Speaker 3>whole thing. I start with the TMZ tour. This goes

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<v Speaker 3>through to about everything I'm talking about. I start with

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<v Speaker 3>the TMS tour. I think April of twenty ten, maybe

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<v Speaker 3>it might have been twenty eleven, whatever it is. I

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<v Speaker 3>started with the TMZ Tour. Then by July, I started

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<v Speaker 3>in March. By July, I'm on TV every day.

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<v Speaker 1>Within a couple of months, Harvey.

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<v Speaker 3>Came in took the tour. I was up there doing

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<v Speaker 3>my thing, and I told a joke and he liked

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<v Speaker 3>the joke so much that he brought me in and

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<v Speaker 3>put me into the into the newsroom, into the newsroom.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, okay. So then you get this newsroom opportunity, your

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<v Speaker 1>pay goes up, benefits. What are we looking at?

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<v Speaker 3>So this is the way it was working. I was

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<v Speaker 3>making money because I was getting tips on the tour.

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<v Speaker 3>So I was probably making fifteen hundred dollars a week

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<v Speaker 3>straight cash off the tips on the tour. I was

0:23:45.440 --> 0:23:49.560
<v Speaker 3>killing these motherfucking white people. I was killing them. I was.

0:23:53.280 --> 0:23:55.119
<v Speaker 3>I was fucking killing them. And then you would you

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<v Speaker 3>would come in and you would have like people from

0:23:58.320 --> 0:24:00.399
<v Speaker 3>there was tourists like they were from our earlier they

0:24:00.400 --> 0:24:02.720
<v Speaker 3>were from Canada. There was a thing that we do

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<v Speaker 3>on the tour to where if you see a celebrity

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<v Speaker 3>on the tour, you stop the bus, you get off,

0:24:08.119 --> 0:24:10.959
<v Speaker 3>you shoot the celebrity. And when you're driving around in

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<v Speaker 3>La at certain times, if you know where to go,

0:24:12.960 --> 0:24:15.760
<v Speaker 3>it's impossible not to see famous people. Like if you

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<v Speaker 3>were coming to LA and you and you were hanging

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<v Speaker 3>out with me, and I was like, hey, you want

0:24:20.640 --> 0:24:23.280
<v Speaker 3>to sit around and watch celebrities all day? There are

0:24:23.320 --> 0:24:24.920
<v Speaker 3>three or four places I could tell you where it's

0:24:25.000 --> 0:24:29.479
<v Speaker 3>going to happen, and so we would see them, and

0:24:29.520 --> 0:24:31.720
<v Speaker 3>I'm a good spotter. I would spot celebrities and we

0:24:31.720 --> 0:24:33.399
<v Speaker 3>would see them and the people would go creit. We

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<v Speaker 3>all kinds of people. Fucking Lady God got Leonardo DiCaprio,

0:24:35.920 --> 0:24:38.719
<v Speaker 3>David Beckham and just the other niggas that be around,

0:24:38.960 --> 0:24:41.680
<v Speaker 3>just niggas that be around us. You would just say,

0:24:41.720 --> 0:24:43.480
<v Speaker 3>you know the people I'm talking about in La, they

0:24:43.520 --> 0:24:45.920
<v Speaker 3>just they'd be around. You see them all the time, Like, hey,

0:24:46.040 --> 0:24:49.240
<v Speaker 3>weren't you in Yeah, like you see them. The funniest

0:24:49.240 --> 0:24:52.080
<v Speaker 3>thing was b T Wars weekend, right because there would

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<v Speaker 3>be all kinds of celebrities that I would recognize that

0:24:54.240 --> 0:24:56.240
<v Speaker 3>the bus wouldn't know who they were, and so the

0:24:56.240 --> 0:24:59.000
<v Speaker 3>bus wouldn't believe me that these people were famous. I'm like, yo,

0:24:59.040 --> 0:25:00.560
<v Speaker 3>I don't know if you know this mother fort two

0:25:00.600 --> 0:25:03.399
<v Speaker 3>number ones. I ain't never heard of him before. I

0:25:03.400 --> 0:25:07.280
<v Speaker 3>don't know he signed to Luducris and them. He's that's like,

0:25:07.480 --> 0:25:09.840
<v Speaker 3>actually I don't want to say the guy's name, but

0:25:09.880 --> 0:25:12.520
<v Speaker 3>like that's actually that guy is a huge singer. Like

0:25:12.800 --> 0:25:14.520
<v Speaker 3>you guys should probably care about him. Wait, don't know,

0:25:14.760 --> 0:25:20.560
<v Speaker 3>fuck them, keep going No, but I mean so anyway,

0:25:21.160 --> 0:25:24.680
<v Speaker 3>so you know, I'm making good money because I'm making

0:25:24.680 --> 0:25:27.840
<v Speaker 3>my tips off the tour. I'm doing three different jobs

0:25:27.880 --> 0:25:30.159
<v Speaker 3>for TMC. I'm also on the camera with my on

0:25:30.200 --> 0:25:32.520
<v Speaker 3>the street with my camera. I'm on the street with

0:25:32.560 --> 0:25:33.800
<v Speaker 3>my camera. I'm doing the tour.

0:25:34.960 --> 0:25:37.159
<v Speaker 1>Oh, you're doing the tour and the newsroom and all

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<v Speaker 1>this on the tour.

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<v Speaker 3>And the newsroom. They gave me as mean jobs as

0:25:41.920 --> 0:25:42.399
<v Speaker 3>they could.

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<v Speaker 1>And did you join as they were like a startup

0:25:47.000 --> 0:25:48.120
<v Speaker 1>or were they startup level?

0:25:48.240 --> 0:25:50.720
<v Speaker 3>So they were. This was two thousand and so they

0:25:50.840 --> 0:25:53.640
<v Speaker 3>started in like two thousand and five. I got there

0:25:53.680 --> 0:25:54.480
<v Speaker 3>five years later.

0:25:54.960 --> 0:25:56.640
<v Speaker 1>That's considered still startup.

0:25:56.440 --> 0:26:00.680
<v Speaker 3>Probably, so they were. They were the newsroom cast was established,

0:26:01.359 --> 0:26:03.840
<v Speaker 3>so I had to break in. I give I always

0:26:03.880 --> 0:26:07.359
<v Speaker 3>give Harvey credit for this. He uh the same joke,

0:26:07.600 --> 0:26:10.080
<v Speaker 3>because it's very hard to break into that room because

0:26:11.160 --> 0:26:16.680
<v Speaker 3>when you're in the room and you're everybody's fighting for airtime,

0:26:16.920 --> 0:26:19.440
<v Speaker 3>the camera's always on Harvey. But as far as you

0:26:19.440 --> 0:26:22.119
<v Speaker 3>you got to say something, you got to do something

0:26:22.160 --> 0:26:25.760
<v Speaker 3>to stand out. So you get you start to maximize

0:26:25.800 --> 0:26:28.080
<v Speaker 3>the moments that you have, and if you're on that

0:26:28.119 --> 0:26:32.880
<v Speaker 3>means somebody else isn't. So once it's ten motherfucker's in there,

0:26:33.480 --> 0:26:35.520
<v Speaker 3>they're not looking for the eleventh motherfucker to come in.

0:26:36.359 --> 0:26:38.280
<v Speaker 3>But Harvey knew that I had that joke that I

0:26:38.280 --> 0:26:40.200
<v Speaker 3>could tell on the I want to hear the joke.

0:26:41.080 --> 0:26:43.120
<v Speaker 3>It kind of doesn't work without us being on the tour,

0:26:43.200 --> 0:26:47.879
<v Speaker 3>but so we so we passed by the Hustler store

0:26:47.920 --> 0:26:50.800
<v Speaker 3>on the tour, and so it would stop on the

0:26:50.880 --> 0:26:53.240
<v Speaker 3>Hustler tour and this was a different time to tell

0:26:53.280 --> 0:27:00.679
<v Speaker 3>this joke. Okay, So so we would stop and I

0:27:00.680 --> 0:27:03.720
<v Speaker 3>would have the bus stop right by the Hustle store,

0:27:03.880 --> 0:27:07.000
<v Speaker 3>and you know, Larry Flynn is right Larry Flint started Hustler,

0:27:07.640 --> 0:27:10.919
<v Speaker 3>and I'd be like, this guy's hustle store. Larry Flint

0:27:10.960 --> 0:27:13.439
<v Speaker 3>started Hustler. And I don't know if you guys know this,

0:27:13.480 --> 0:27:16.120
<v Speaker 3>but Larry Flint is one of the most important men

0:27:17.080 --> 0:27:19.720
<v Speaker 3>in the history of civil rights. And they're like, what

0:27:19.720 --> 0:27:21.720
<v Speaker 3>are you talking about? And I was like, well, you

0:27:21.720 --> 0:27:23.920
<v Speaker 3>guys might not know this, but Larry Flynn is in

0:27:23.960 --> 0:27:27.760
<v Speaker 3>a wheelchair. He was shot One of the reasons why

0:27:27.880 --> 0:27:30.760
<v Speaker 3>Larry Flint was shot was because there were people that

0:27:30.800 --> 0:27:35.320
<v Speaker 3>were upset that he was doing interracial photo spreads in Hustler.

0:27:36.359 --> 0:27:38.000
<v Speaker 3>It's very true, and the bust will go, oh, I

0:27:38.000 --> 0:27:39.960
<v Speaker 3>didn't know that, and I will go like, yeah, so

0:27:40.400 --> 0:27:43.040
<v Speaker 3>Larry Flint, it's very important to a right leader because

0:27:43.080 --> 0:27:45.200
<v Speaker 3>he took a bullet so that I could fuck white women.

0:27:46.920 --> 0:27:49.320
<v Speaker 3>That's a really good that's good, right. And so I

0:27:49.359 --> 0:27:55.360
<v Speaker 3>remember Harvey, Oh my god, and so I go and

0:27:55.400 --> 0:27:59.200
<v Speaker 3>so they don't want to laugh, they don't want to

0:27:59.280 --> 0:28:01.280
<v Speaker 3>laugh funny. But I'm in the room and I say

0:28:01.280 --> 0:28:03.879
<v Speaker 3>that everybody, and it's so far out of left field,

0:28:03.880 --> 0:28:06.080
<v Speaker 3>and they've never heard the sound of my voice before.

0:28:06.560 --> 0:28:11.040
<v Speaker 3>I remember shout out to Nina Parker, who worked at

0:28:11.080 --> 0:28:13.880
<v Speaker 3>TMZ with me, who's still a dear friend of mine

0:28:13.960 --> 0:28:16.479
<v Speaker 3>to this day. Beautiful black woman. Nina was looking at

0:28:16.520 --> 0:28:18.480
<v Speaker 3>me like, I know, they didn't just bring one of

0:28:18.520 --> 0:28:22.359
<v Speaker 3>these niggas into the newsroom where these goddamn Tiger Woods is.

0:28:23.520 --> 0:28:25.760
<v Speaker 3>But that joke put me over in the newsroom, and

0:28:25.920 --> 0:28:28.840
<v Speaker 3>so and he knew that it would. And so after

0:28:28.880 --> 0:28:32.760
<v Speaker 3>that boom, they all left. Another thing I tell the

0:28:32.840 --> 0:28:34.680
<v Speaker 3>kids I don't want to be hyper verbose about the

0:28:34.680 --> 0:28:37.359
<v Speaker 3>whole TMZ situation. But another thing I tell the kids

0:28:37.440 --> 0:28:43.640
<v Speaker 3>is your ability to succeed at a place is not

0:28:43.760 --> 0:28:47.200
<v Speaker 3>just about your talent, It's about your ability to recognize opportunity.

0:28:47.680 --> 0:28:48.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:28:49.200 --> 0:28:53.600
<v Speaker 3>So the very first year I was there, I realized

0:28:53.960 --> 0:28:57.840
<v Speaker 3>that everybody goes home for Christmas, so everybody takes off

0:28:57.840 --> 0:29:01.760
<v Speaker 3>for Christmas. So if you watched the show, it's always

0:29:01.800 --> 0:29:04.880
<v Speaker 3>a buzzy newsroom. Everybody is around, everybody's doing all of this,

0:29:04.960 --> 0:29:08.920
<v Speaker 3>but it's bare bones in there, like any point after

0:29:08.960 --> 0:29:12.240
<v Speaker 3>Thanksgiving to the New Year, because everybody's rotating in and

0:29:12.320 --> 0:29:15.160
<v Speaker 3>off vacation, but they're still doing the show. They still

0:29:15.160 --> 0:29:17.000
<v Speaker 3>have to do a show. They don't go dark for

0:29:17.000 --> 0:29:19.760
<v Speaker 3>two weeks like everybody else is a daily show. I

0:29:19.880 --> 0:29:22.480
<v Speaker 3>did not go home. I stuck around, And when I

0:29:22.480 --> 0:29:26.800
<v Speaker 3>stuck around, I got all of the time to talk

0:29:26.880 --> 0:29:29.200
<v Speaker 3>and be on camera that I wanted to. So in

0:29:29.200 --> 0:29:31.440
<v Speaker 3>that month, I endeared myself to the audience.

0:29:31.880 --> 0:29:32.120
<v Speaker 1>Nice.

0:29:32.280 --> 0:29:35.640
<v Speaker 3>Right after that, he comes in, he goes, we're gonna

0:29:35.640 --> 0:29:37.360
<v Speaker 3>give you a raise, We're gonna do all of this

0:29:38.160 --> 0:29:42.920
<v Speaker 3>next time contract with up and I just my stature

0:29:42.960 --> 0:29:45.240
<v Speaker 3>at TMZ just went up to the point to where

0:29:45.680 --> 0:29:49.120
<v Speaker 3>I think maybe a year two years after that, I

0:29:49.240 --> 0:30:04.960
<v Speaker 3>was a producer.

0:30:05.400 --> 0:30:08.640
<v Speaker 1>So let's take let's let's fast forward to the the

0:30:08.880 --> 0:30:16.080
<v Speaker 1>iconic moments the Kanye West him. I love Kanye, I

0:30:16.120 --> 0:30:17.200
<v Speaker 1>love old Kanye.

0:30:17.400 --> 0:30:22.200
<v Speaker 3>Now you like him? Now I can tell yeah.

0:30:21.960 --> 0:30:23.720
<v Speaker 1>You know what, it's so funny. So my favorite rapper

0:30:23.760 --> 0:30:26.560
<v Speaker 1>is jay Z, and my little brother's favorite rapper is Kanye.

0:30:27.560 --> 0:30:30.920
<v Speaker 1>But now Eagle acknowledges that jay Z's the ultimate goat.

0:30:31.040 --> 0:30:35.840
<v Speaker 1>So you know, we have a great, great relationship. But Kanye,

0:30:36.040 --> 0:30:38.040
<v Speaker 1>let me try this girl, cheese.

0:30:39.720 --> 0:30:42.720
<v Speaker 3>Go for it. Bless you as straight from Angola State

0:30:42.760 --> 0:30:43.920
<v Speaker 3>Panitentiary right there.

0:30:44.000 --> 0:30:49.000
<v Speaker 1>Let's see. But Kanye, old Kanye was simply amazing to me.

0:30:49.120 --> 0:30:51.960
<v Speaker 1>I loved how outspoken he was. I don't know what

0:30:52.080 --> 0:30:56.040
<v Speaker 1>happened in the Kardashian era, like what kind of drugs

0:30:56.080 --> 0:30:59.920
<v Speaker 1>they put him on or what went wrong because he

0:31:00.120 --> 0:31:02.800
<v Speaker 1>was always pro from the bush statement like he was

0:31:02.840 --> 0:31:06.280
<v Speaker 1>always that guy. So take us to that day, what's

0:31:06.280 --> 0:31:08.640
<v Speaker 1>going on like from beginning to end?

0:31:09.240 --> 0:31:13.960
<v Speaker 3>So Harvey had gone to that that butter gonna burn.

0:31:14.800 --> 0:31:19.560
<v Speaker 3>So Harvey had gone to you know, the week before then,

0:31:19.760 --> 0:31:22.160
<v Speaker 3>Kanye had an album going out, and this is after

0:31:22.160 --> 0:31:24.719
<v Speaker 3>the Trump stuff and he had, you know, gone off

0:31:24.760 --> 0:31:26.120
<v Speaker 3>at his at his show and all of that stuff.

0:31:26.120 --> 0:31:29.600
<v Speaker 3>Harvey had gone out to Calabasas and he was so

0:31:29.680 --> 0:31:31.600
<v Speaker 3>giddy called me up to his office and he goes,

0:31:32.600 --> 0:31:36.480
<v Speaker 3>look what it is. It's me hanging out with Kanye West.

0:31:36.760 --> 0:31:40.840
<v Speaker 3>So I'm like whatever, you were like whatever? Yeah, I'm

0:31:40.840 --> 0:31:42.560
<v Speaker 3>like at this point, I don't give a fuck about that.

0:31:43.640 --> 0:31:47.080
<v Speaker 3>I hate that type of shit though, I'll tell you

0:31:47.120 --> 0:31:49.560
<v Speaker 3>what I hate. Don't talk to me about who you

0:31:49.640 --> 0:31:54.760
<v Speaker 3>was hanging out with ever. Okay, Like, if you go

0:31:54.880 --> 0:31:57.920
<v Speaker 3>to a party, when you come back and talk to

0:31:57.920 --> 0:31:59.480
<v Speaker 3>me about the party, talk to me about how the

0:31:59.560 --> 0:32:02.360
<v Speaker 3>vibes were, where the drinks good, was the music good?

0:32:02.480 --> 0:32:04.160
<v Speaker 1>So if jay Z was in the room, you want

0:32:04.200 --> 0:32:04.960
<v Speaker 1>to hear about the drinks.

0:32:04.960 --> 0:32:10.280
<v Speaker 3>I don't give off. I don't give off fuck. If

0:32:10.360 --> 0:32:12.520
<v Speaker 3>jay Z came to your party, I couldn't give a fuck.

0:32:12.520 --> 0:32:15.479
<v Speaker 3>What do that? So it's a good party, that's the

0:32:15.520 --> 0:32:17.720
<v Speaker 3>only thing you be here for a whole So it's

0:32:17.720 --> 0:32:19.240
<v Speaker 3>a good party because he was there. Shout out to

0:32:19.320 --> 0:32:22.880
<v Speaker 3>him like it's a good party because he was there.

0:32:22.920 --> 0:32:26.040
<v Speaker 3>I don't give welcome thank you. I don't care at all. Like,

0:32:26.120 --> 0:32:29.880
<v Speaker 3>hey man, the drinks was good man, DJ was crazy.

0:32:30.280 --> 0:32:32.800
<v Speaker 3>He played that old school juve andle all of that ship.

0:32:32.840 --> 0:32:37.200
<v Speaker 3>Now I'm gonna come to the party. If you start

0:32:36.920 --> 0:32:39.320
<v Speaker 3>to my party, If Jay show up to your party,

0:32:39.320 --> 0:32:41.040
<v Speaker 3>it's a I guess it's a big deal for your party.

0:32:41.240 --> 0:32:43.040
<v Speaker 3>I'm not saying that. I'm saying that it doesn't make

0:32:43.040 --> 0:32:45.480
<v Speaker 3>me want to attend your party because there are famous people.

0:32:45.280 --> 0:32:48.760
<v Speaker 1>There, of course, but I'm saying that. Okay. So Harvey

0:32:48.800 --> 0:32:50.240
<v Speaker 1>comes to you, He's like, yo, I was kicking it

0:32:50.280 --> 0:32:55.720
<v Speaker 1>with this is this is.

0:32:55.720 --> 0:32:58.840
<v Speaker 3>All I heard is Kanye, Kanye, Kanye. And so he

0:32:58.840 --> 0:33:00.920
<v Speaker 3>shows me the thing and him and Kanye have some

0:33:01.000 --> 0:33:03.600
<v Speaker 3>kind of report that they're working on or whatever. I

0:33:03.640 --> 0:33:10.800
<v Speaker 3>don't know it's going. And so a week after that he like,

0:33:10.840 --> 0:33:12.680
<v Speaker 3>I'm in the newsroom. And by the way, at this point,

0:33:12.680 --> 0:33:15.680
<v Speaker 3>I've been very outspoken on Kanye because this is Kanye

0:33:15.760 --> 0:33:18.080
<v Speaker 3>posing with Donald Trump, this is post all of that stuff.

0:33:18.600 --> 0:33:20.640
<v Speaker 3>So it comes up to me after the morning meeting.

0:33:20.680 --> 0:33:24.920
<v Speaker 3>He goes, hey, I was like what there he goes,

0:33:25.400 --> 0:33:28.520
<v Speaker 3>we didn't want to tell you. But about ten minutes

0:33:28.560 --> 0:33:31.400
<v Speaker 3>Kanye was about to show up here. I was like

0:33:31.640 --> 0:33:35.480
<v Speaker 3>inside of TMZ and he was like yeah. He was

0:33:35.480 --> 0:33:37.720
<v Speaker 3>like all right, just let you know all the mics

0:33:37.760 --> 0:33:41.600
<v Speaker 3>are going to be down because the way it works

0:33:41.720 --> 0:33:44.200
<v Speaker 3>is for TMZ Live, which is the live show. Showa

0:33:44.200 --> 0:33:45.320
<v Speaker 3>comes in the middle of day. You have a red

0:33:45.320 --> 0:33:47.680
<v Speaker 3>button at your desk and a thing at your desk.

0:33:48.080 --> 0:33:52.240
<v Speaker 3>Anytime you have that red button, you can talk. So

0:33:52.560 --> 0:33:55.280
<v Speaker 3>after Harvey and Charles do their thing, you hit that

0:33:55.320 --> 0:33:57.600
<v Speaker 3>red button, you can talk. So when I want to

0:33:57.640 --> 0:33:59.440
<v Speaker 3>jump in and say something funny, I jump in and

0:33:59.440 --> 0:34:01.479
<v Speaker 3>say something fun. When I want to jump in when

0:34:01.480 --> 0:34:03.800
<v Speaker 3>it's time for them to come to me, like Van

0:34:03.920 --> 0:34:05.920
<v Speaker 3>Van Van Talk, you can talk. But they had all

0:34:05.920 --> 0:34:08.080
<v Speaker 3>the mics down because they just wanted this to be Harvey,

0:34:08.160 --> 0:34:13.439
<v Speaker 3>Charles and Kanye West. Okay cool. So I go sit

0:34:13.520 --> 0:34:18.759
<v Speaker 3>at mine shout out to Charlemagne because uh. I go

0:34:20.800 --> 0:34:23.480
<v Speaker 3>sit down at my desk and I start watching the

0:34:23.600 --> 0:34:26.200
<v Speaker 3>interview that Charlemagne did with Kanye that dropped that very

0:34:26.200 --> 0:34:28.880
<v Speaker 3>same day when he was walking around Calabasa. So I

0:34:28.880 --> 0:34:32.160
<v Speaker 3>started watching that. I'm at the desk. Kanye West comes in,

0:34:32.360 --> 0:34:35.320
<v Speaker 3>very polite guy. I says hello to everyone and everything

0:34:35.360 --> 0:34:36.880
<v Speaker 3>like that. They go over to the teams he live to

0:34:36.920 --> 0:34:39.240
<v Speaker 3>start doing teams he live. As soon as the cameras

0:34:39.280 --> 0:34:42.759
<v Speaker 3>come on, he turns into a fucking demon, right like

0:34:42.800 --> 0:34:45.319
<v Speaker 3>when I say you and I'm like it just I

0:34:45.360 --> 0:34:47.640
<v Speaker 3>come alive in the nighttime type shit. You know what

0:34:47.680 --> 0:34:50.680
<v Speaker 3>I'm saying. Yeah, he's talking now. I mean, I'm not

0:34:50.719 --> 0:34:51.200
<v Speaker 3>saying that he.

0:34:51.280 --> 0:34:53.399
<v Speaker 1>Was being demon like the stuff he was saying.

0:34:53.480 --> 0:34:55.839
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean the demon I'm not demonizing. Kanye West

0:34:56.160 --> 0:34:59.080
<v Speaker 3>was like that was streaming consciousness the whole thing. I'm like,

0:34:59.120 --> 0:35:01.920
<v Speaker 3>oh shit, I'm still not paying an attention. I'm not

0:35:01.920 --> 0:35:04.640
<v Speaker 3>paying any attention. I'm looking at the interview. I'm not

0:35:04.680 --> 0:35:05.680
<v Speaker 3>a part of this conversation.

0:35:05.760 --> 0:35:08.480
<v Speaker 1>So you're looking at the interview but watching kind of looking.

0:35:08.320 --> 0:35:11.480
<v Speaker 3>Up or Kanya not really, but remember I've been told

0:35:11.560 --> 0:35:14.440
<v Speaker 3>specifically that I'm not part of this conversation. So it's

0:35:14.480 --> 0:35:21.600
<v Speaker 3>on them. Kanye says a slavery four hundred. Oh. By

0:35:21.640 --> 0:35:25.080
<v Speaker 3>the way, Kennice Owens is with him. Oh, she came

0:35:25.120 --> 0:35:25.960
<v Speaker 3>to the office with him.

0:35:26.000 --> 0:35:28.279
<v Speaker 1>I don't know how you're not looking, not watching the

0:35:28.360 --> 0:35:30.400
<v Speaker 1>interview and still looking at the shar interview.

0:35:30.760 --> 0:35:35.719
<v Speaker 3>I'm looking at the Charlemagne interview. They're walking around Calabasas, like,

0:35:36.200 --> 0:35:38.440
<v Speaker 3>you know, they they Kanye got his hair, you know,

0:35:38.480 --> 0:35:40.319
<v Speaker 3>they're having all of these deep as sauces. I'm looking

0:35:40.360 --> 0:35:41.879
<v Speaker 3>at but I can. I can hear him though, because

0:35:41.920 --> 0:35:44.600
<v Speaker 3>he starts to scream. He doesn't just want to talk

0:35:44.640 --> 0:35:46.160
<v Speaker 3>to Harvey and Charles, he wants to talk to all

0:35:46.160 --> 0:35:48.799
<v Speaker 3>of us, right, so I can, I can hear him.

0:35:48.760 --> 0:35:52.040
<v Speaker 3>It was like, God, damn this nigga, damn nigga on

0:35:52.080 --> 0:35:55.480
<v Speaker 3>one and so like, I'm still looking at it, and

0:35:55.560 --> 0:36:00.239
<v Speaker 3>he says, slavery four hundred years, four hundred years. That

0:36:00.280 --> 0:36:02.759
<v Speaker 3>seems like a choice to me, And everybody's like, oh,

0:36:08.560 --> 0:36:10.640
<v Speaker 3>look when he said that, couldn't see her. I don't

0:36:10.680 --> 0:36:12.680
<v Speaker 3>know she. I think she was in the other room,

0:36:12.719 --> 0:36:16.759
<v Speaker 3>because there's a side room. A couple of weeks before that,

0:36:16.840 --> 0:36:18.879
<v Speaker 3>and maybe like a month before that, Candace had gone

0:36:18.920 --> 0:36:21.640
<v Speaker 3>viral for shutting down some some students that had come

0:36:21.680 --> 0:36:23.960
<v Speaker 3>to a turning point us a meeting where she had

0:36:23.960 --> 0:36:26.799
<v Speaker 3>said you're a victim and I don't like you, and

0:36:27.000 --> 0:36:31.080
<v Speaker 3>fuck civil rights, whatever and and whatever she said to them,

0:36:31.320 --> 0:36:32.799
<v Speaker 3>and Kanye was like, this is the type of thinking

0:36:32.800 --> 0:36:35.000
<v Speaker 3>that I like. And then he put it Kanye put

0:36:35.080 --> 0:36:39.080
<v Speaker 3>Candisons on like she like she she bah the way

0:36:39.120 --> 0:36:40.640
<v Speaker 3>this is. If any want to make a judgment, call

0:36:40.680 --> 0:36:42.880
<v Speaker 3>about Candace Owns. Go to wherever you go to for

0:36:42.880 --> 0:36:45.080
<v Speaker 3>wherever you want to go to whatever. But he put

0:36:45.080 --> 0:36:46.680
<v Speaker 3>her on basically, so she was with him for a

0:36:46.680 --> 0:36:48.800
<v Speaker 3>little while. I think he got a lot of his

0:36:48.800 --> 0:36:53.399
<v Speaker 3>his his early political when he was first in that

0:36:53.520 --> 0:36:56.520
<v Speaker 3>new sort of right sphere of thought. I think a

0:36:56.520 --> 0:36:58.080
<v Speaker 3>lot of he got a lot of that stuff from her.

0:36:58.320 --> 0:37:00.239
<v Speaker 3>I think he probably still does it this day from

0:37:00.320 --> 0:37:03.160
<v Speaker 3>a lot of those types of people. Anyhow, So he's talking.

0:37:03.200 --> 0:37:05.440
<v Speaker 3>He says that I didn't say anything when he said that.

0:37:05.480 --> 0:37:07.400
<v Speaker 3>There's a there's a misconception that he said that. And

0:37:07.400 --> 0:37:10.600
<v Speaker 3>I was like, nah, I didn't like. I didn't like like.

0:37:10.640 --> 0:37:13.279
<v Speaker 3>I didn't say yeah. People think it was like a

0:37:13.320 --> 0:37:15.839
<v Speaker 3>big deal. I didn't say nothing, right, I didn't say

0:37:15.840 --> 0:37:23.800
<v Speaker 3>anything at all? His business, he asked, He asked very simply.

0:37:24.760 --> 0:37:29.040
<v Speaker 3>He said that everyone gasps. One other person had said once,

0:37:29.400 --> 0:37:31.279
<v Speaker 3>one other thing about something that he had said. But

0:37:31.360 --> 0:37:35.239
<v Speaker 3>most of the people in the room this sidebar real quick.

0:37:35.520 --> 0:37:39.520
<v Speaker 3>You guys have no idea. I guess you actually probably do.

0:37:39.560 --> 0:37:42.080
<v Speaker 3>Because Atlanta has per capital more famous people than anywhere else.

0:37:42.080 --> 0:37:44.200
<v Speaker 3>You can't go to the fucking mall without goddamn nigga.

0:37:44.239 --> 0:37:49.360
<v Speaker 3>Wasn't you in atl But like, but just fame just

0:37:49.440 --> 0:37:54.440
<v Speaker 3>paralyzes people, particularly in LA like fame just like just like,

0:37:54.480 --> 0:37:56.000
<v Speaker 3>oh my god, it doesn't matter what he would have

0:37:56.000 --> 0:37:57.840
<v Speaker 3>said up there, He's saying stuff and people are like,

0:37:57.960 --> 0:38:00.120
<v Speaker 3>Jesus Christ is the most famous person that's ever And

0:38:00.120 --> 0:38:01.560
<v Speaker 3>ifside this officer for it, but I'm.

0:38:01.480 --> 0:38:04.160
<v Speaker 1>Surprised because at TMG they crossed past it a lot.

0:38:04.320 --> 0:38:08.840
<v Speaker 3>No nobody like that, Like it's like, especially to be

0:38:08.920 --> 0:38:12.080
<v Speaker 3>in the office doing that. It's one thing to have

0:38:12.600 --> 0:38:14.239
<v Speaker 3>to see people out on the street and get a

0:38:14.480 --> 0:38:18.000
<v Speaker 3>but you know there's a specific TMZ celebrity that we

0:38:18.080 --> 0:38:20.319
<v Speaker 3>talk to all the time. You know, nobody like that.

0:38:21.440 --> 0:38:24.000
<v Speaker 1>So take us back to that moment before you Superman.

0:38:24.600 --> 0:38:27.080
<v Speaker 3>So he says that, and he turns around and he goes,

0:38:27.520 --> 0:38:30.080
<v Speaker 3>he says the whole thing, and he goes, does it

0:38:30.160 --> 0:38:34.919
<v Speaker 3>feel like I'm speaking freely? He says that. He turns around,

0:38:34.960 --> 0:38:37.759
<v Speaker 3>he goes, does it feel like I'm speaking freely? Okay,

0:38:37.800 --> 0:38:39.279
<v Speaker 3>Now let me tell you a split seconds is how

0:38:39.280 --> 0:38:47.080
<v Speaker 3>my mind works, Like for me. I just have like

0:38:47.239 --> 0:38:50.640
<v Speaker 3>my insecurity is that I just can't be the nigga

0:38:50.640 --> 0:38:52.880
<v Speaker 3>you can fuck over. I don't have to be the

0:38:52.960 --> 0:38:56.600
<v Speaker 3>number one guy, but like, I'll fight you until you

0:38:56.640 --> 0:38:58.920
<v Speaker 3>realize you can't funk over me. I'll play you in

0:38:58.960 --> 0:39:01.120
<v Speaker 3>basketball to our realize I can't be the easy guy

0:39:01.120 --> 0:39:03.760
<v Speaker 3>to get over on. So if you ask me something

0:39:03.840 --> 0:39:07.520
<v Speaker 3>like that and I didn't say anything, there's toxicity in

0:39:07.600 --> 0:39:10.719
<v Speaker 3>me that says, I gotta answer this question, like I

0:39:10.800 --> 0:39:15.200
<v Speaker 3>can't have allowed him that somebody might think that. It's

0:39:15.239 --> 0:39:18.400
<v Speaker 3>like everybody was, like you filled up with the answers,

0:39:18.480 --> 0:39:20.959
<v Speaker 3>is not. I didn't want to feel like a weakling. Yes,

0:39:21.239 --> 0:39:24.000
<v Speaker 3>I didn't want to miss my opportunity to tell him

0:39:24.000 --> 0:39:26.040
<v Speaker 3>how I feel like he was acting, because then it

0:39:26.080 --> 0:39:29.040
<v Speaker 3>feels like I'm the one that he could just kind

0:39:29.040 --> 0:39:30.880
<v Speaker 3>of get off on. So he says that, and I

0:39:30.920 --> 0:39:33.360
<v Speaker 3>gonna know, y'all, I don't feel like you're thinking anything, like,

0:39:33.480 --> 0:39:36.279
<v Speaker 3>actually you don't know you I remember, I'm said, I'm

0:39:36.280 --> 0:39:37.520
<v Speaker 3>not gonna go back the whole thing. But you look

0:39:37.560 --> 0:39:40.719
<v Speaker 3>crazy right now, like everything that you're doing, not just

0:39:40.840 --> 0:39:43.759
<v Speaker 3>now but every other time, like you look crazy. You're

0:39:43.800 --> 0:39:47.319
<v Speaker 3>not thinking, and particularly this, it's not even about that.

0:39:49.000 --> 0:39:56.680
<v Speaker 3>It's about what the regression or how can I put this?

0:39:56.760 --> 0:40:05.280
<v Speaker 3>Not regression, it's what a guy like that represents because

0:40:05.360 --> 0:40:10.480
<v Speaker 3>we empower him. So imagine like spinning your youth, like

0:40:11.040 --> 0:40:15.000
<v Speaker 3>arming somebody with this great, big cultural gun. Everything that

0:40:15.080 --> 0:40:17.440
<v Speaker 3>Kanye did, we were I was down in Louisiana where

0:40:17.440 --> 0:40:19.319
<v Speaker 3>he said George Bush doesn't care about black people. He

0:40:19.400 --> 0:40:21.719
<v Speaker 3>was my god. Like all the things that he would

0:40:21.719 --> 0:40:24.520
<v Speaker 3>say when he would speak out, like you defend them,

0:40:24.880 --> 0:40:27.040
<v Speaker 3>you advocate for him, you do it. You stand by

0:40:27.080 --> 0:40:29.439
<v Speaker 3>and you just the little cultural gun that he has,

0:40:29.480 --> 0:40:32.160
<v Speaker 3>a little megaphone, it just gets bigger and bigger. The

0:40:32.200 --> 0:40:34.960
<v Speaker 3>gun just gets bigger and bigger and bigger, and then

0:40:35.000 --> 0:40:37.719
<v Speaker 3>one day you're staring down the barrel of it. Now

0:40:37.800 --> 0:40:40.719
<v Speaker 3>the things that he's saying that you've empowered him to

0:40:40.719 --> 0:40:43.000
<v Speaker 3>say are being turned right back at you. And so

0:40:43.200 --> 0:40:47.480
<v Speaker 3>like it's like, hey, don't shoot me, Like why why

0:40:47.480 --> 0:40:49.680
<v Speaker 3>are you shooting at me? Like you know what I'm saying.

0:40:49.719 --> 0:40:53.799
<v Speaker 3>It's like I'm the same dude like you you Kanye West.

0:40:53.880 --> 0:40:56.880
<v Speaker 3>I love you. Yeah, Like if I'm not about to

0:40:56.880 --> 0:40:59.000
<v Speaker 3>diss him, never would I say to you know, you're

0:40:59.040 --> 0:41:03.920
<v Speaker 3>a genius. Everything that you've done is you deserve all

0:41:03.960 --> 0:41:06.480
<v Speaker 3>the stuff that you've gotten. We love you, but let

0:41:06.520 --> 0:41:08.479
<v Speaker 3>me tell you how you're making us feel. That's it.

0:41:08.760 --> 0:41:11.960
<v Speaker 3>That's it. I'm not trying to go toe to toad

0:41:11.560 --> 0:41:14.839
<v Speaker 3>with like a cultural deity, you know what I'm saying.

0:41:14.880 --> 0:41:17.239
<v Speaker 3>I'm not trying to act like he hasn't inspired me

0:41:17.239 --> 0:41:18.800
<v Speaker 3>in the ways that he's inspired me, or act like

0:41:18.840 --> 0:41:20.680
<v Speaker 3>he hasn't done the things he's done, Like we don't

0:41:20.719 --> 0:41:22.840
<v Speaker 3>do that where I'm from. We give you your props

0:41:22.920 --> 0:41:25.239
<v Speaker 3>or else we would be haters. But I just have

0:41:25.280 --> 0:41:27.120
<v Speaker 3>to let him know, like what you're doing right now

0:41:27.320 --> 0:41:33.160
<v Speaker 3>is particularly pernicious to us because we're in a very

0:41:33.200 --> 0:41:35.799
<v Speaker 3>specific place in this country. And when you go back

0:41:35.840 --> 0:41:37.759
<v Speaker 3>and you watch it, you listen, Now, look, my thing

0:41:37.880 --> 0:41:40.640
<v Speaker 3>is this any one person like that. There's no person

0:41:40.680 --> 0:41:42.200
<v Speaker 3>that's like going to be able to be a nigga

0:41:42.239 --> 0:41:45.600
<v Speaker 3>whisperer and change what somebody thinks. Like there's a day

0:41:45.680 --> 0:41:48.799
<v Speaker 3>to day experience that people have that has to do

0:41:48.920 --> 0:41:52.360
<v Speaker 3>with their surroundings, who they are, their input and output

0:41:52.400 --> 0:41:54.160
<v Speaker 3>that's going to affect how they look at the world.

0:41:54.440 --> 0:41:57.640
<v Speaker 3>And you're not asking anybody to be to change that.

0:41:57.680 --> 0:42:00.000
<v Speaker 3>But what I do think is important as black people

0:42:00.000 --> 0:42:04.359
<v Speaker 3>who is for us to be cognizant of how what

0:42:04.400 --> 0:42:07.680
<v Speaker 3>we do affects other people. For example, I worked at

0:42:07.719 --> 0:42:11.360
<v Speaker 3>TMZ for nine years. I'm not in a moral position

0:42:12.680 --> 0:42:18.439
<v Speaker 3>to chastise anyone, like literally, like not in a figurative way.

0:42:18.480 --> 0:42:22.080
<v Speaker 3>I'm not in a moral position to chastise anyone. I

0:42:22.200 --> 0:42:26.239
<v Speaker 3>understand compromises that people have to make in order to

0:42:26.239 --> 0:42:27.960
<v Speaker 3>get to where they want to get. I understand that

0:42:28.000 --> 0:42:30.520
<v Speaker 3>sometimes people might walk into situations and not really know

0:42:30.560 --> 0:42:32.840
<v Speaker 3>what it is that they're getting into. And then on

0:42:32.880 --> 0:42:36.040
<v Speaker 3>the other side, you know better than you do better, right,

0:42:36.160 --> 0:42:40.560
<v Speaker 3>So it's not about that. It's about just alerting someone

0:42:41.000 --> 0:42:44.000
<v Speaker 3>when you feel like they're doing harm and then that's that.

0:42:44.320 --> 0:42:47.080
<v Speaker 3>And then after that, after I've said my piece, you

0:42:47.080 --> 0:42:50.279
<v Speaker 3>can choose either you can continue to harm me or

0:42:50.320 --> 0:42:51.120
<v Speaker 3>you can be different.

0:42:51.480 --> 0:42:55.800
<v Speaker 1>So how did that milestone with Kanye change the trajectory

0:42:56.000 --> 0:42:59.480
<v Speaker 1>of your life? Because it definitely had a huge impact.

0:43:00.400 --> 0:43:04.520
<v Speaker 3>So it was really the beginning of my career. And

0:43:04.560 --> 0:43:07.799
<v Speaker 3>the reason why it was was because number One, I

0:43:07.840 --> 0:43:09.480
<v Speaker 3>was never going to be able to leave TMZ with

0:43:09.520 --> 0:43:12.040
<v Speaker 3>the reputation that they have there, and this is not

0:43:12.080 --> 0:43:15.000
<v Speaker 3>shots at TMZ or anything like that. Once you leave

0:43:15.040 --> 0:43:20.200
<v Speaker 3>a place that has such a distinct perch and culture,

0:43:20.719 --> 0:43:23.600
<v Speaker 3>it's very difficult for people to believe certain things about you.

0:43:24.520 --> 0:43:26.240
<v Speaker 3>And I think going over.

0:43:26.120 --> 0:43:28.279
<v Speaker 1>What do you mean, like what kind of culture? Like

0:43:29.920 --> 0:43:32.680
<v Speaker 1>are you familiar with I am familiar with them. I'm

0:43:32.719 --> 0:43:40.280
<v Speaker 1>just saying, describe it. Ah, I'm saying from the journalists perspective,

0:43:40.320 --> 0:43:40.920
<v Speaker 1>you're saying.

0:43:40.760 --> 0:43:44.680
<v Speaker 3>Like, Okay, That's what I'm saying. So, look, there's a

0:43:44.719 --> 0:43:51.160
<v Speaker 3>reason why like a TMS exists. And honestly, the reason

0:43:51.239 --> 0:43:55.440
<v Speaker 3>why TMS exists is the need for people to feel

0:43:56.040 --> 0:44:01.000
<v Speaker 3>good about themselves.

0:44:00.760 --> 0:44:02.839
<v Speaker 1>The reader or the watcher to feel.

0:44:04.920 --> 0:44:17.239
<v Speaker 3>So the celebrity in America is overloved, way overloved, over important,

0:44:17.680 --> 0:44:20.320
<v Speaker 3>over everything. It just doesn't matter that much that somebody

0:44:20.360 --> 0:44:23.800
<v Speaker 3>is famous or rich. It just really doesn't matter that much. Honestly,

0:44:23.840 --> 0:44:30.239
<v Speaker 3>it's probably a net negative. However, it's so it's so

0:44:30.320 --> 0:44:35.640
<v Speaker 3>precious to people that there's a need to feel that

0:44:35.640 --> 0:44:38.719
<v Speaker 3>that person has done or is doing something.

0:44:38.400 --> 0:44:43.640
<v Speaker 1>Wrong, like to more humanize them.

0:44:43.880 --> 0:44:47.879
<v Speaker 3>Right, So, like the question becomes this, say, take Kim Kardashian, right,

0:44:48.800 --> 0:44:52.600
<v Speaker 3>everybody saw her fuck right, everybody saw her. Fuck, it's

0:44:52.600 --> 0:44:55.120
<v Speaker 3>just sex tape out. Everybody saw it, right, everybody watched

0:44:55.120 --> 0:44:59.000
<v Speaker 3>the sex tape that comes out. And people get to

0:44:59.000 --> 0:45:01.399
<v Speaker 3>make the decision about whether or not they would have

0:45:01.440 --> 0:45:05.360
<v Speaker 3>that happen for them, whether or not they would go

0:45:05.440 --> 0:45:07.960
<v Speaker 3>through that in order to be Kim Kardashian, And it

0:45:07.960 --> 0:45:12.920
<v Speaker 3>makes them feel good to say no. So it makes

0:45:13.120 --> 0:45:15.360
<v Speaker 3>them feel good to say, you know what, I wouldn't

0:45:15.360 --> 0:45:17.839
<v Speaker 3>want that life. It's too crazy. It makes them good

0:45:17.880 --> 0:45:20.480
<v Speaker 3>to feel to say. It makes him feel good to say,

0:45:20.480 --> 0:45:23.080
<v Speaker 3>I wouldn't compromise myself in that way. It makes him

0:45:23.080 --> 0:45:24.680
<v Speaker 3>feel good to say, I would never do this, I

0:45:24.680 --> 0:45:26.719
<v Speaker 3>would never be around these people. I would never do that.

0:45:26.719 --> 0:45:28.479
<v Speaker 3>I would never do this. It makes him feel good

0:45:28.520 --> 0:45:32.080
<v Speaker 3>to say, Hollywood's too weird, I wouldn't do that. Right,

0:45:32.719 --> 0:45:35.520
<v Speaker 3>And TMZ feels that bloodlust that people have, and it

0:45:35.600 --> 0:45:38.200
<v Speaker 3>lets them disconnect from the idea that these people are

0:45:38.239 --> 0:45:42.439
<v Speaker 3>better than them. It lets them disconnect because every time

0:45:42.440 --> 0:45:44.880
<v Speaker 3>somebody gets a dui and it goes up to the thing.

0:45:44.960 --> 0:45:48.239
<v Speaker 3>Every time somebody gets a divorce, everybody in here knows

0:45:48.239 --> 0:45:53.720
<v Speaker 3>people have been divorced. Yeah, there's no magic or sinister

0:45:53.880 --> 0:45:57.480
<v Speaker 3>story to a divorce. Sometimes it don't work out. It

0:45:57.560 --> 0:45:59.959
<v Speaker 3>just doesn't work out. But you want to believe certain

0:46:00.040 --> 0:46:04.719
<v Speaker 3>people will never be happy because their lifestyles are antithetical

0:46:04.719 --> 0:46:07.239
<v Speaker 3>to happiness in a relationship. So you want to you

0:46:07.280 --> 0:46:12.800
<v Speaker 3>want to believe, like like you like you, you you,

0:46:12.800 --> 0:46:14.920
<v Speaker 3>you want to believe that, right, you want to believe

0:46:14.920 --> 0:46:18.000
<v Speaker 3>that teams gives you that. In order to do that,

0:46:18.280 --> 0:46:22.400
<v Speaker 3>TMZ has to treat those people like they're not people.

0:46:23.239 --> 0:46:26.040
<v Speaker 3>They have to treat them as if their concepts celebrity

0:46:26.120 --> 0:46:27.880
<v Speaker 3>is not a person.

0:46:29.239 --> 0:46:31.720
<v Speaker 1>That's why I guess comes off a little bit invasive

0:46:31.719 --> 0:46:32.320
<v Speaker 1>and ruthless.

0:46:32.400 --> 0:46:34.360
<v Speaker 3>Right, Well, no, because they're.

0:46:34.000 --> 0:46:37.280
<v Speaker 1>They're not treating they're they're treating them kind of like, well.

0:46:37.120 --> 0:46:39.279
<v Speaker 3>You have to write like even even the TMS tour

0:46:39.400 --> 0:46:41.960
<v Speaker 3>was a celebrity safari, Like what's on a safari?

0:46:42.600 --> 0:46:44.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, animals animals, right and.

0:46:44.680 --> 0:46:48.080
<v Speaker 3>So and so like when when you like the tours

0:46:48.360 --> 0:46:51.160
<v Speaker 3>celebrity as animals, right and so you do that, right

0:46:51.360 --> 0:46:53.520
<v Speaker 3>and what you what you say is okay, Well, in

0:46:53.600 --> 0:46:55.640
<v Speaker 3>order to be a celebrity, the game is pr at

0:46:55.680 --> 0:46:57.960
<v Speaker 3>its base, right, So this is what you sign up

0:46:58.040 --> 0:47:02.319
<v Speaker 3>for kind of right, because like there are certain things

0:47:02.320 --> 0:47:05.399
<v Speaker 3>that you don't sign up for I'll never talk. I'll

0:47:05.440 --> 0:47:08.680
<v Speaker 3>never I'll never forget this. There was the sister of

0:47:08.719 --> 0:47:12.799
<v Speaker 3>a celebrity that had that had had something taught done

0:47:12.840 --> 0:47:14.640
<v Speaker 3>to them. I'll never forget. I'm not gonna talk about

0:47:14.640 --> 0:47:16.040
<v Speaker 3>who I had the conversation with. I'm like, Yo, we

0:47:16.040 --> 0:47:22.239
<v Speaker 3>shouldn't do that. And they did the story and this

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<v Speaker 3>dude went on fucking and let us fucking happen, and

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, yo, we had to take it down

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<v Speaker 3>and apologize and do all that stuff. Like yo, like

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<v Speaker 3>there's a limit to this. And that's not me making

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<v Speaker 3>a moral judgment on the team team. I'm just telling

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<v Speaker 3>you the way things go. So like when you know

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<v Speaker 3>all of that, when you have an idea of what

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<v Speaker 3>drives that, like obviously they're moral. Uh, there're things that

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<v Speaker 3>you have to not care about to work there. But

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<v Speaker 3>most of the people there are good people. They're just

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<v Speaker 3>desensitized to whatever was going on there because that's where

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<v Speaker 3>they work, like like that, like that's what they do.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm there. It's the same thing. Things are coming in

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<v Speaker 3>at a certain point you go goddamn, you know, and

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<v Speaker 3>it's there will be little small things. This is a

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<v Speaker 3>football player that had this video come out of some

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<v Speaker 3>altercation it was in and it said savage beating by this,

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<v Speaker 3>and I was just looking at the hellline. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 3>that's I don't think we should go savage beating there,

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<v Speaker 3>Like I think savage is like a that's like an

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<v Speaker 3>interesting way or there's just little small things. The mayor

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<v Speaker 3>of DC died, Marion Barry crack maryor Marion Barry dies

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<v Speaker 3>like he died, and like, by the way, the people

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<v Speaker 3>in DC are going to freak the funk out because

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if you guys know, but Marion Barry

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<v Speaker 3>was with Martin Luther King Junior. Like where I'm from,

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<v Speaker 3>like I deal with a group of people, a community,

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<v Speaker 3>people that are always categorized by the worst moment that

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<v Speaker 3>they have. And I don't feel comfortable with categorizing a

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<v Speaker 3>man that means so much to his city by the worst,

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<v Speaker 3>most scandalous thing you ever had. You can't talk about

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<v Speaker 3>his life without talking about that, but maybe in the

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<v Speaker 3>headline you don't do that. So so so, so all

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<v Speaker 3>of those things start to start to happen, and so

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<v Speaker 3>for me, what the place represents, it's not even so

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<v Speaker 3>much a bunch of uh not even so much a

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<v Speaker 3>bunch of moral people that are running around trying to

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<v Speaker 3>get the dirn on celebrities. It represents our relationship to

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<v Speaker 3>celebrity and our relationship to ourselves, because there's no fucking

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<v Speaker 3>reason whatsoever why we should spend so much time talking

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<v Speaker 3>about what happens in the lives of famous people.

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