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Speaker 1: Hey, guys, welcome to another episode of Eating While Broke.

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Speaker 1: We are not in La today. We are over here

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Speaker 1: at eighty five South Studios with the special guests of

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Speaker 1: the day. Van Lengthen is in the building. You guys

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Speaker 1: may know him as podcaster, Academy Award winning executive producer.

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Speaker 1: You know, but I like to acknowledge you as the

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Speaker 1: man that stood up to Kanye West in the TMZ

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Speaker 1: office commissioner of the Commissioner. And we're gonna leave the

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Speaker 1: commission of the BBI off. But Van, before we get

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Speaker 1: into where you're at today, I want you to take

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Speaker 1: me back to where you were when you were broke.

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Speaker 1: What dish you're gonna have.

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Speaker 2: Cook for us to eat today, so you can start

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Speaker 2: with that.

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Speaker 3: So I get out of college around I would say

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Speaker 3: two thousand and three. Two thousand and three. I get

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Speaker 3: out of college, and there's this like transitional period in

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Speaker 3: my life because I was always interested in people's stories,

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Speaker 3: and everybody's story seems so linear. Every story seems linear

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Speaker 3: when you're at the end of it. Everybody has a

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Speaker 3: moment that something happened for them. Everybody has a moment

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Speaker 3: that they realize something. But when you're in the middle

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Speaker 3: of it. You don't know you'll know when it's gonna

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Speaker 3: happen for you, you don't know how it's going to happen

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Speaker 3: for you. Certain people have more certainty than other people do,

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Speaker 3: but all you can do is work and try. And

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Speaker 3: I get to this point, and it's this weird, odd

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Speaker 3: point where I'm like, nothing that I thought was going

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Speaker 3: to happen and or no way that I wanted to

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Speaker 3: go is the way that I wanted to go.

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Speaker 1: So you're graduated, we're taking back to when you graduated, right, And.

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Speaker 3: So I'm working at best Buy And this is the

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Speaker 3: same time that The College Dropout has come out. Around

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Speaker 3: that same time, Conye's first album, and what he's talking

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Speaker 3: about great album. He's talking about disillusioned high school graduates

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Speaker 3: who now have to realize that they're not going to

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Speaker 3: conquer the world, that what they're going to do is

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Speaker 3: enter into the American workforce and they're going to be

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Speaker 3: a part of something, and everything that they did it's

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Speaker 3: not just not as meaningful as they thought it was

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Speaker 3: going to be. In a way, it's spiritually debilitating. And

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Speaker 3: the song is the whole album is about breaking free

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Speaker 3: of that. Really it's about saying, hey, like I dropped out,

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Speaker 3: but I dropped out. I took a path that is,

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Speaker 3: let's admire but in a way drowned upon in order

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Speaker 3: to be more alive. Like I'm not killing myself, and

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Speaker 3: so I'm to the point to where I'm like having

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Speaker 3: an exisential crisis. I'm like, yo, I'm killing myself. It's

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Speaker 3: not it's not working. And so many things happen within

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Speaker 3: this two year period. My parents divorced. My mom leaves

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Speaker 3: the house, and that was very transformative for me, because,

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Speaker 3: like when a woman leaves a home right away, everything

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Speaker 3: gets less.

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Speaker 1: What you were you were talking about after college though?

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Speaker 1: Were you living at home with your parents?

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Speaker 3: Sure?

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Speaker 1: Oh you were during college?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I went to Southern University in bat Ruge. Had

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Speaker 3: gone away to school and then I came back and

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Speaker 3: I went to Southern University because I wanted to be

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Speaker 3: around all of my friends. So I was still living

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Speaker 3: in home. The school was about ten minutes away from

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Speaker 1: Okay, so how old were you when your parents were.

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Speaker 3: Like two or twenty three?

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Speaker 1: And so you actually got to see it.

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Speaker 3: I got to see it, right, I got to see it.

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Speaker 3: There's two people divorcing and not mommy and daddy divorcing.

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Speaker 3: And I also got to see.

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Speaker 1: Just what do you mean they're not mommy and daddy divorcing.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't mommy and daddy divorcing when you're ten and

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Speaker 3: your parents break up, you're thirteen, fourteen, mommy and daddy

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Speaker 3: are divorcing. In my life, Crystal and Terry got a

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Speaker 3: divorce because I had enough of a frame of mind

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Speaker 3: or a frame of reference, should I say, for these

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Speaker 3: that point. So I knew the anger that my father had,

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Speaker 3: I knew the paranoia that my mother had. I knew

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Speaker 3: that these were two people that were on diverging spiritual

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Speaker 3: growth the journey, should I say, and that they were

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Speaker 3: no longer compatible, and like what that means, Like when

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Speaker 3: you're a kid, it's like, oh, you guys are gonna

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Speaker 3: get split up. Okay, who am I going to live with?

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Speaker 3: It's not the concern for me. The concern for me

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Speaker 3: is do these people still get to live the version

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Speaker 3: you know, my mom, I was actually happy for them

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Speaker 3: them that my mother, I thought, Okay, this is a

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Speaker 3: a lot of things emotionally, she had felt unsupported by

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Speaker 3: a lot of things emotionally, and obviously, with my father

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Speaker 3: must have been unhappy too. So maybe this is a

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Speaker 3: new life for them. I'm young enough to think at

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Speaker 3: that point that severing that type of relationship in some

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Speaker 3: much as they loved each other, and loved each other

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Speaker 3: until my father passed away. But immediately she left the

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Speaker 3: that didn't know how to do shit, Like the house

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Speaker 3: just became It's like, it's just like, I.

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Speaker 1: Remember, were you young, the youngest two or something? Who

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Speaker 1: are you the youngest in your family? Because you said

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Speaker 1: it was just the two, Yeah I was.

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Speaker 3: I was the youngest in the family. I was the

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Speaker 3: only one still around. My sister had gone. My dad

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Speaker 3: had other kids, but they were gone. But like, so

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Speaker 3: it's just me and him.

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Speaker 1: Your dad had other kids, Yeah, what do you mean

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Speaker 3: A nigga. You know what I mean A lot? Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's what I'm saying. So it was, it was that's

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Speaker 3: another reason why you're happy for her to go and

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Speaker 3: have a chance at a life that is for her.

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Speaker 1: Yeah right, And so you.

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Speaker 3: Know, me and him are there and it's like she

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Speaker 3: she's your mom, but she's also like a genius in creating.

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Speaker 3: She's a genius in keeping things running. She you get

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Speaker 3: taught this lesson of misogyny, and the lesson is that

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Speaker 3: somebody leaves the house and they gonna make a whole

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Speaker 3: bunch of money. And my mother worked too and made

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Speaker 3: a lot of money. But somebody leaves the house and

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Speaker 3: back into a castle and everything that they touch inside

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Speaker 3: the house turns to go. But you don't realize that

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Speaker 3: there's somebody who's keeping your life beautiful. There's someone who's

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Speaker 3: who who looks out for things. Somebody who when something's

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Speaker 3: And the moment that she left. It was the house

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Speaker 3: crumbled and fell apart, like the turn on the stove, pop,

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Speaker 3: he looks at me, and I'm like, right, she gets

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Speaker 3: that fixed. That motherfucker popped till we got out of

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Speaker 3: the house. Him never fixed it, right. The washing machine broke,

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Speaker 3: just like little stuff like that. Like my mother used

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Speaker 3: me and him were just too focused on the individual

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Speaker 3: things that we were doing to care about all of that.

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Speaker 3: The place was just less beautiful because the woman of

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Speaker 3: the house had gone wow. And so during that whole time,

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Speaker 3: I'm also broke. I'm also broke. I'm I'm I'm working

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Speaker 3: know what I want to do. And then Hurricane Katrina comes.

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Speaker 3: And so when Hurricane Katrina comes, this is like a

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Speaker 3: weird two year period of my life, Like everything changes,

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Speaker 3: like society crumbles, everybody strapped for cash because you've taken

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Speaker 3: on so much more. You got relatives living with you

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Speaker 3: and now everyone's trying to stretch that dollar. You're eating different,

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Speaker 3: And so that's when that was the most. That was

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Speaker 3: the point, honestly, from two thousand and three to two

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Speaker 3: out myself. I moved to LA in two thousand and six.

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Speaker 3: By the time I got to LA, I could fucking

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Speaker 3: handle anything. I could handle anything. I had buried homeboys,

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Speaker 3: I had put relaty in the ground. There was nothing

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Speaker 3: the world had showed me like some really ill shit.

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Speaker 3: And so when I got out there and was dealing

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Speaker 1: So you also navigated, So what this are you gonna

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Speaker 1: have us eat today? Real cheese, grilled cheese. It's the

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Speaker 1: staple and the most simplastic and delicious meal. Did you

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Speaker 1: have to add any tomato, soup or anything? Or you

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Speaker 1: just didn't the legendary.

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Speaker 3: Fuck all that butter bread cheese shout out to my

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Speaker 3: uncle David resting piece. Shout out to my uncle Mark,

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Speaker 3: rest in peace. These guys taught me the beauty the

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Speaker 3: grilled cheese. And you know where they learned it at?

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Speaker 1: Where?

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Speaker 3: So you think, Nah, where you think they learned the

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Speaker 3: grilled cheese at these two uncles? What do you think?

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Speaker 1: Someone screamoda jail, jail.

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Speaker 3: I could tell what y'a you've been. I can tell

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Speaker 3: what kind of life you'd have been living. They they

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Speaker 3: they learned the grilled cheese in jail. They were grilled

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Speaker 3: cheese mechanics.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 3: They came back in here and they was like, I

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Speaker 3: don't know it was jail because they because because what

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Speaker 3: because yeah? Because because we know right there was grilled

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Speaker 1: Okay, well, let's see, let's judge your grilled cheese.

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Speaker 3: I haven't made it in a long time because the

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Speaker 3: nigga is not broke no more.

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Speaker 1: You know what I've been doing this show for. This

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Speaker 1: will be our this is our third season. We're taping

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Speaker 1: right now. And some of the dishes are so good

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Speaker 1: on this show that I go home and I'll make

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Speaker 1: it broken, not broke, make it They're good.

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Speaker 3: Butter is a very it's very sensual. Look at butter.

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Speaker 3: Wash this wash thiss, just wash this. Oh daddy, you

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Speaker 3: hear that. Look at the butter go Oh my god,

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Speaker 3: butter is like delectable.

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Speaker 1: Right, Oh yeah, I used butter on my cooking.

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Speaker 3: Really, what's that? What's that? What's that? Blood pressure? Like?

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Speaker 1: I don't know, but I'm really healthy. We're really healthy.

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Speaker 3: Like what you get a church, Well, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: If you could do a good grilled cheese. I'm watching

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Speaker 1: the way you're making this girl.

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Speaker 3: It's not gonna be good.

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Speaker 1: I'm concerned. I'm concerned because I feel like you are

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Speaker 3: It's it's not gonna be good. I can already tell

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Speaker 3: you it's not gonna be good. You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, because these jail birds, they definitely jail

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Speaker 1: the right way. How much cheese is gonna put on

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Speaker 1: this grilled cheese?

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Speaker 3: I work for a place called Capricorn Programs for a while.

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Speaker 1: Live on unemployment? Hell yeah, I love unemployment.

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Speaker 3: Yep. And I become one of the world's foremost pick

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Speaker 3: And I was like, hell yeah, okay, so I do

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Speaker 3: We're gonna have you try out these products. And when

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Speaker 3: I'm like, cool, no problem. So after that, cool, I

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Speaker 3: You did a great job. You're in a commercial boom

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Speaker 3: it a thing, because it's still going right now. So

436
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Speaker 3: I get in there and I do that. I apply.

437
00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:30,399
Speaker 1: That's a brilliant concept now that I think about it.

438
00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:36,359
Speaker 3: The revolutionize the whole game. So I apply, and they're

439
00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,159
Speaker 3: doing the tours like American Idol. They have all of

440
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,000
Speaker 3: these tour guys in there, and then every week they

441
00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:44,119
Speaker 3: cut a guy. So I'm in there and like they

442
00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,119
Speaker 3: have me coming in there and whatever. I get the

443
00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:52,560
Speaker 3: whole thing. I start with the TMZ tour. This goes

444
00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:57,159
Speaker 3: through to about everything I'm talking about. I start with

445
00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:01,480
Speaker 3: the TMS tour. I think April of twenty ten, maybe

446
00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:03,320
Speaker 3: it might have been twenty eleven, whatever it is. I

447
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:09,760
Speaker 3: started with the TMZ Tour. Then by July, I started

448
00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:12,240
Speaker 3: in March. By July, I'm on TV every day.

449
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,040
Speaker 1: Within a couple of months, Harvey.

450
00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,040
Speaker 3: Came in took the tour. I was up there doing

451
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:21,359
Speaker 3: my thing, and I told a joke and he liked

452
00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:24,240
Speaker 3: the joke so much that he brought me in and

453
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:27,880
Speaker 3: put me into the into the newsroom, into the newsroom.

454
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Speaker 1: Yep, okay. So then you get this newsroom opportunity, your

455
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,440
Speaker 1: pay goes up, benefits. What are we looking at?

456
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:36,359
Speaker 3: So this is the way it was working. I was

457
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,040
Speaker 3: making money because I was getting tips on the tour.

458
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,200
Speaker 3: So I was probably making fifteen hundred dollars a week

459
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:45,320
Speaker 3: straight cash off the tips on the tour. I was

460
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:49,560
Speaker 3: killing these motherfucking white people. I was killing them. I was.

461
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:55,119
Speaker 3: I was fucking killing them. And then you would you

462
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:57,159
Speaker 3: would come in and you would have like people from

463
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Speaker 3: there was tourists like they were from our earlier they

464
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,720
Speaker 3: were from Canada. There was a thing that we do

465
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:06,719
Speaker 3: on the tour to where if you see a celebrity

466
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 3: on the tour, you stop the bus, you get off,

467
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:10,959
Speaker 3: you shoot the celebrity. And when you're driving around in

468
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 3: La at certain times, if you know where to go,

469
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 3: it's impossible not to see famous people. Like if you

470
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 3: were coming to LA and you and you were hanging

471
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 3: out with me, and I was like, hey, you want

472
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 3: to sit around and watch celebrities all day? There are

473
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:24,920
Speaker 3: three or four places I could tell you where it's

474
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:29,479
Speaker 3: going to happen, and so we would see them, and

475
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:31,720
Speaker 3: I'm a good spotter. I would spot celebrities and we

476
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:33,399
Speaker 3: would see them and the people would go creit. We

477
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 3: all kinds of people. Fucking Lady God got Leonardo DiCaprio,

478
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,719
Speaker 3: David Beckham and just the other niggas that be around,

479
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,680
Speaker 3: just niggas that be around us. You would just say,

480
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 3: you know the people I'm talking about in La, they

481
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:45,920
Speaker 3: just they'd be around. You see them all the time, Like, hey,

482
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:49,240
Speaker 3: weren't you in Yeah, like you see them. The funniest

483
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 3: thing was b T Wars weekend, right because there would

484
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,200
Speaker 3: be all kinds of celebrities that I would recognize that

485
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 3: the bus wouldn't know who they were, and so the

486
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 3: bus wouldn't believe me that these people were famous. I'm like, yo,

487
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:00,560
Speaker 3: I don't know if you know this mother fort two

488
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,399
Speaker 3: number ones. I ain't never heard of him before. I

489
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 3: don't know he signed to Luducris and them. He's that's like,

490
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 3: actually I don't want to say the guy's name, but

491
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 3: like that's actually that guy is a huge singer. Like

492
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 3: you guys should probably care about him. Wait, don't know,

493
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 3: fuck them, keep going No, but I mean so anyway,

494
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:24,680
Speaker 3: so you know, I'm making good money because I'm making

495
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 3: my tips off the tour. I'm doing three different jobs

496
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,159
Speaker 3: for TMC. I'm also on the camera with my on

497
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,520
Speaker 3: the street with my camera. I'm on the street with

498
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 3: my camera. I'm doing the tour.

499
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,159
Speaker 1: Oh, you're doing the tour and the newsroom and all

500
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:38,440
Speaker 1: this on the tour.

501
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 3: And the newsroom. They gave me as mean jobs as

502
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:42,399
Speaker 3: they could.

503
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:46,880
Speaker 1: And did you join as they were like a startup

504
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:48,120
Speaker 1: or were they startup level?

505
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 3: So they were. This was two thousand and so they

506
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,640
Speaker 3: started in like two thousand and five. I got there

507
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 3: five years later.

508
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:56,640
Speaker 1: That's considered still startup.

509
00:25:56,440 --> 00:26:00,680
Speaker 3: Probably, so they were. They were the newsroom cast was established,

510
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 3: so I had to break in. I give I always

511
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:07,359
Speaker 3: give Harvey credit for this. He uh the same joke,

512
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 3: because it's very hard to break into that room because

513
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 3: when you're in the room and you're everybody's fighting for airtime,

514
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,440
Speaker 3: the camera's always on Harvey. But as far as you

515
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,119
Speaker 3: you got to say something, you got to do something

516
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 3: to stand out. So you get you start to maximize

517
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 3: the moments that you have, and if you're on that

518
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:32,880
Speaker 3: means somebody else isn't. So once it's ten motherfucker's in there,

519
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 3: they're not looking for the eleventh motherfucker to come in.

520
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 3: But Harvey knew that I had that joke that I

521
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,200
Speaker 3: could tell on the I want to hear the joke.

522
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,120
Speaker 3: It kind of doesn't work without us being on the tour,

523
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:47,879
Speaker 3: but so we so we passed by the Hustler store

524
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 3: on the tour, and so it would stop on the

525
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 3: Hustler tour and this was a different time to tell

526
00:26:53,280 --> 00:27:00,679
Speaker 3: this joke. Okay, So so we would stop and I

527
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 3: would have the bus stop right by the Hustle store,

528
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 3: and you know, Larry Flynn is right Larry Flint started Hustler,

529
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,919
Speaker 3: and I'd be like, this guy's hustle store. Larry Flint

530
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,439
Speaker 3: started Hustler. And I don't know if you guys know this,

531
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,120
Speaker 3: but Larry Flint is one of the most important men

532
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 3: in the history of civil rights. And they're like, what

533
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 3: are you talking about? And I was like, well, you

534
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:23,920
Speaker 3: guys might not know this, but Larry Flynn is in

535
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 3: a wheelchair. He was shot One of the reasons why

536
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 3: Larry Flint was shot was because there were people that

537
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 3: were upset that he was doing interracial photo spreads in Hustler.

538
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 3: It's very true, and the bust will go, oh, I

539
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 3: didn't know that, and I will go like, yeah, so

540
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 3: Larry Flint, it's very important to a right leader because

541
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 3: he took a bullet so that I could fuck white women.

542
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 3: That's a really good that's good, right. And so I

543
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:55,360
Speaker 3: remember Harvey, Oh my god, and so I go and

544
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 3: so they don't want to laugh, they don't want to

545
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 3: laugh funny. But I'm in the room and I say

546
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,879
Speaker 3: that everybody, and it's so far out of left field,

547
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 3: and they've never heard the sound of my voice before.

548
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 3: I remember shout out to Nina Parker, who worked at

549
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,880
Speaker 3: TMZ with me, who's still a dear friend of mine

550
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,479
Speaker 3: to this day. Beautiful black woman. Nina was looking at

551
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 3: me like, I know, they didn't just bring one of

552
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 3: these niggas into the newsroom where these goddamn Tiger Woods is.

553
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 3: But that joke put me over in the newsroom, and

554
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 3: so and he knew that it would. And so after

555
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 3: that boom, they all left. Another thing I tell the

556
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:34,680
Speaker 3: kids I don't want to be hyper verbose about the

557
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 3: whole TMZ situation. But another thing I tell the kids

558
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 3: is your ability to succeed at a place is not

559
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 3: just about your talent, It's about your ability to recognize opportunity.

560
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 1: Yeah.

561
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 3: So the very first year I was there, I realized

562
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 3: that everybody goes home for Christmas, so everybody takes off

563
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 3: for Christmas. So if you watched the show, it's always

564
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 3: a buzzy newsroom. Everybody is around, everybody's doing all of this,

565
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 3: but it's bare bones in there, like any point after

566
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 3: Thanksgiving to the New Year, because everybody's rotating in and

567
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 3: off vacation, but they're still doing the show. They still

568
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 3: have to do a show. They don't go dark for

569
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 3: two weeks like everybody else is a daily show. I

570
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 3: did not go home. I stuck around, And when I

571
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 3: stuck around, I got all of the time to talk

572
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 3: and be on camera that I wanted to. So in

573
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 3: that month, I endeared myself to the audience.

574
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 1: Nice.

575
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 3: Right after that, he comes in, he goes, we're gonna

576
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 3: give you a raise, We're gonna do all of this

577
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 3: next time contract with up and I just my stature

578
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 3: at TMZ just went up to the point to where

579
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 3: I think maybe a year two years after that, I

580
00:29:49,240 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 3: was a producer.

581
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 1: So let's take let's let's fast forward to the the

582
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 1: iconic moments the Kanye West him. I love Kanye, I

583
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 1: love old Kanye.

584
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 3: Now you like him? Now I can tell yeah.

585
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 1: You know what, it's so funny. So my favorite rapper

586
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 1: is jay Z, and my little brother's favorite rapper is Kanye.

587
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: But now Eagle acknowledges that jay Z's the ultimate goat.

588
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 1: So you know, we have a great, great relationship. But Kanye,

589
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 1: let me try this girl, cheese.

590
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 3: Go for it. Bless you as straight from Angola State

591
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 3: Panitentiary right there.

592
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 1: Let's see. But Kanye, old Kanye was simply amazing to me.

593
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 1: I loved how outspoken he was. I don't know what

594
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 1: happened in the Kardashian era, like what kind of drugs

595
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: they put him on or what went wrong because he

596
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 1: was always pro from the bush statement like he was

597
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 1: always that guy. So take us to that day, what's

598
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: going on like from beginning to end?

599
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 3: So Harvey had gone to that that butter gonna burn.

600
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 3: So Harvey had gone to you know, the week before then,

601
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 3: Kanye had an album going out, and this is after

602
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,719
Speaker 3: the Trump stuff and he had, you know, gone off

603
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 3: at his at his show and all of that stuff.

604
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 3: Harvey had gone out to Calabasas and he was so

605
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 3: giddy called me up to his office and he goes,

606
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 3: look what it is. It's me hanging out with Kanye West.

607
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 3: So I'm like whatever, you were like whatever? Yeah, I'm

608
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 3: like at this point, I don't give a fuck about that.

609
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 3: I hate that type of shit though, I'll tell you

610
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 3: what I hate. Don't talk to me about who you

611
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 3: was hanging out with ever. Okay, Like, if you go

612
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 3: to a party, when you come back and talk to

613
00:31:57,920 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 3: me about the party, talk to me about how the

614
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 3: vibes were, where the drinks good, was the music good?

615
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 1: So if jay Z was in the room, you want

616
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 1: to hear about the drinks.

617
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 3: I don't give off. I don't give off fuck. If

618
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 3: jay Z came to your party, I couldn't give a fuck.

619
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,479
Speaker 3: What do that? So it's a good party, that's the

620
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 3: only thing you be here for a whole So it's

621
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 3: a good party because he was there. Shout out to

622
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 3: him like it's a good party because he was there.

623
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 3: I don't give welcome thank you. I don't care at all. Like,

624
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 3: hey man, the drinks was good man, DJ was crazy.

625
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 3: He played that old school juve andle all of that ship.

626
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 3: Now I'm gonna come to the party. If you start

627
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 3: to my party, If Jay show up to your party,

628
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 3: it's a I guess it's a big deal for your party.

629
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that. I'm saying that it doesn't make

630
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 3: me want to attend your party because there are famous people.

631
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: There, of course, but I'm saying that. Okay. So Harvey

632
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 1: comes to you, He's like, yo, I was kicking it

633
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 1: with this is this is.

634
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 3: All I heard is Kanye, Kanye, Kanye. And so he

635
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 3: shows me the thing and him and Kanye have some

636
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 3: kind of report that they're working on or whatever. I

637
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 3: don't know it's going. And so a week after that he like,

638
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 3: I'm in the newsroom. And by the way, at this point,

639
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 3: I've been very outspoken on Kanye because this is Kanye

640
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 3: posing with Donald Trump, this is post all of that stuff.

641
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 3: So it comes up to me after the morning meeting.

642
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 3: He goes, hey, I was like what there he goes,

643
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 3: we didn't want to tell you. But about ten minutes

644
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 3: Kanye was about to show up here. I was like

645
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 3: inside of TMZ and he was like yeah. He was

646
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 3: like all right, just let you know all the mics

647
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 3: are going to be down because the way it works

648
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 3: is for TMZ Live, which is the live show. Showa

649
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Speaker 3: comes in the middle of day. You have a red

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Speaker 3: button at your desk and a thing at your desk.

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Speaker 3: Anytime you have that red button, you can talk. So

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Speaker 3: after Harvey and Charles do their thing, you hit that

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Speaker 3: red button, you can talk. So when I want to

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Speaker 3: jump in and say something funny, I jump in and

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Speaker 3: say something fun. When I want to jump in when

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Speaker 3: it's time for them to come to me, like Van

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Speaker 3: Van Van Talk, you can talk. But they had all

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Speaker 3: the mics down because they just wanted this to be Harvey,

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Speaker 3: Charles and Kanye West. Okay cool. So I go sit

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Speaker 3: at mine shout out to Charlemagne because uh. I go

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Speaker 3: sit down at my desk and I start watching the

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Speaker 3: interview that Charlemagne did with Kanye that dropped that very

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Speaker 3: same day when he was walking around Calabasa. So I

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Speaker 3: started watching that. I'm at the desk. Kanye West comes in,

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Speaker 3: very polite guy. I says hello to everyone and everything

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Speaker 3: like that. They go over to the teams he live to

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Speaker 3: start doing teams he live. As soon as the cameras

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Speaker 3: come on, he turns into a fucking demon, right like

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Speaker 3: when I say you and I'm like it just I

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Speaker 3: come alive in the nighttime type shit. You know what

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Speaker 3: I'm saying. Yeah, he's talking now. I mean, I'm not

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Speaker 3: saying that he.

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Speaker 1: Was being demon like the stuff he was saying.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the demon I'm not demonizing. Kanye West

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Speaker 3: was like that was streaming consciousness the whole thing. I'm like,

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Speaker 3: oh shit, I'm still not paying an attention. I'm not

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Speaker 3: paying any attention. I'm looking at the interview. I'm not

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Speaker 3: a part of this conversation.

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Speaker 1: So you're looking at the interview but watching kind of looking.

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Speaker 3: Up or Kanya not really, but remember I've been told

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Speaker 3: specifically that I'm not part of this conversation. So it's

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Speaker 3: on them. Kanye says a slavery four hundred. Oh. By

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Speaker 3: the way, Kennice Owens is with him. Oh, she came

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Speaker 3: to the office with him.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how you're not looking, not watching the

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Speaker 1: interview and still looking at the shar interview.

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Speaker 3: I'm looking at the Charlemagne interview. They're walking around Calabasas, like,

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Speaker 3: you know, they they Kanye got his hair, you know,

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Speaker 3: they're having all of these deep as sauces. I'm looking

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Speaker 3: at but I can. I can hear him though, because

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Speaker 3: he starts to scream. He doesn't just want to talk

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Speaker 3: to Harvey and Charles, he wants to talk to all

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Speaker 3: of us, right, so I can, I can hear him.

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Speaker 3: It was like, God, damn this nigga, damn nigga on

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Speaker 3: one and so like, I'm still looking at it, and

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Speaker 3: he says, slavery four hundred years, four hundred years. That

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Speaker 3: seems like a choice to me, And everybody's like, oh,

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Speaker 3: look when he said that, couldn't see her. I don't

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Speaker 3: know she. I think she was in the other room,

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Speaker 3: because there's a side room. A couple of weeks before that,

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Speaker 3: and maybe like a month before that, Candace had gone

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Speaker 3: viral for shutting down some some students that had come

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Speaker 3: to a turning point us a meeting where she had

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Speaker 3: said you're a victim and I don't like you, and

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Speaker 3: fuck civil rights, whatever and and whatever she said to them,

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Speaker 3: and Kanye was like, this is the type of thinking

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Speaker 3: that I like. And then he put it Kanye put

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Speaker 3: Candisons on like she like she she bah the way

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Speaker 3: this is. If any want to make a judgment, call

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Speaker 3: about Candace Owns. Go to wherever you go to for

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Speaker 3: wherever you want to go to whatever. But he put

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Speaker 3: her on basically, so she was with him for a

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Speaker 3: little while. I think he got a lot of his

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Speaker 3: his his early political when he was first in that

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Speaker 3: new sort of right sphere of thought. I think a

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Speaker 3: lot of he got a lot of that stuff from her.

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Speaker 3: I think he probably still does it this day from

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Speaker 3: a lot of those types of people. Anyhow, So he's talking.

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Speaker 3: He says that I didn't say anything when he said that.

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Speaker 3: There's a there's a misconception that he said that. And

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Speaker 3: I was like, nah, I didn't like. I didn't like like.

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Speaker 3: I didn't say yeah. People think it was like a

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Speaker 3: big deal. I didn't say nothing, right, I didn't say

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Speaker 3: anything at all? His business, he asked, He asked very simply.

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Speaker 3: He said that everyone gasps. One other person had said once,

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Speaker 3: one other thing about something that he had said. But

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Speaker 3: most of the people in the room this sidebar real quick.

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Speaker 3: You guys have no idea. I guess you actually probably do.

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00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 3: Because Atlanta has per capital more famous people than anywhere else.

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Speaker 3: You can't go to the fucking mall without goddamn nigga.

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Speaker 3: Wasn't you in atl But like, but just fame just

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Speaker 3: paralyzes people, particularly in LA like fame just like just like,

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Speaker 3: oh my god, it doesn't matter what he would have

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Speaker 3: said up there, He's saying stuff and people are like,

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Speaker 3: Jesus Christ is the most famous person that's ever And

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Speaker 3: ifside this officer for it, but I'm.

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Speaker 1: Surprised because at TMG they crossed past it a lot.

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Speaker 3: No nobody like that, Like it's like, especially to be

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00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 3: in the office doing that. It's one thing to have

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Speaker 3: to see people out on the street and get a

741
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 3: but you know there's a specific TMZ celebrity that we

742
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Speaker 3: talk to all the time. You know, nobody like that.

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Speaker 1: So take us back to that moment before you Superman.

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Speaker 3: So he says that, and he turns around and he goes,

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Speaker 3: he says the whole thing, and he goes, does it

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Speaker 3: feel like I'm speaking freely? He says that. He turns around,

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00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 3: he goes, does it feel like I'm speaking freely? Okay,

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Speaker 3: Now let me tell you a split seconds is how

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Speaker 3: my mind works, Like for me. I just have like

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Speaker 3: my insecurity is that I just can't be the nigga

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Speaker 3: you can fuck over. I don't have to be the

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Speaker 3: number one guy, but like, I'll fight you until you

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Speaker 3: realize you can't funk over me. I'll play you in

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Speaker 3: basketball to our realize I can't be the easy guy

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Speaker 3: to get over on. So if you ask me something

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00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 3: like that and I didn't say anything, there's toxicity in

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00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 3: me that says, I gotta answer this question, like I

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Speaker 3: can't have allowed him that somebody might think that. It's

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Speaker 3: like everybody was, like you filled up with the answers,

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Speaker 3: is not. I didn't want to feel like a weakling. Yes,

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Speaker 3: I didn't want to miss my opportunity to tell him

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Speaker 3: how I feel like he was acting, because then it

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Speaker 3: feels like I'm the one that he could just kind

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Speaker 3: of get off on. So he says that, and I

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Speaker 3: gonna know, y'all, I don't feel like you're thinking anything, like,

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Speaker 3: actually you don't know you I remember, I'm said, I'm

767
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 3: not gonna go back the whole thing. But you look

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00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 3: crazy right now, like everything that you're doing, not just

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00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 3: now but every other time, like you look crazy. You're

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00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 3: not thinking, and particularly this, it's not even about that.

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Speaker 3: It's about what the regression or how can I put this?

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Speaker 3: Not regression, it's what a guy like that represents because

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00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 3: we empower him. So imagine like spinning your youth, like

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00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 3: arming somebody with this great, big cultural gun. Everything that

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00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 3: Kanye did, we were I was down in Louisiana where

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00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 3: he said George Bush doesn't care about black people. He

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00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 3: was my god. Like all the things that he would

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Speaker 3: say when he would speak out, like you defend them,

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Speaker 3: you advocate for him, you do it. You stand by

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Speaker 3: and you just the little cultural gun that he has,

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Speaker 3: a little megaphone, it just gets bigger and bigger. The

782
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 3: gun just gets bigger and bigger and bigger, and then

783
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 3: one day you're staring down the barrel of it. Now

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00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 3: the things that he's saying that you've empowered him to

785
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 3: say are being turned right back at you. And so

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00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 3: like it's like, hey, don't shoot me, Like why why

787
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 3: are you shooting at me? Like you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: It's like I'm the same dude like you you Kanye West.

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Speaker 3: I love you. Yeah, Like if I'm not about to

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00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 3: diss him, never would I say to you know, you're

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Speaker 3: a genius. Everything that you've done is you deserve all

792
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 3: the stuff that you've gotten. We love you, but let

793
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:08,479
Speaker 3: me tell you how you're making us feel. That's it.

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00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 3: That's it. I'm not trying to go toe to toad

795
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:14,839
Speaker 3: with like a cultural deity, you know what I'm saying.

796
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 3: I'm not trying to act like he hasn't inspired me

797
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:18,800
Speaker 3: in the ways that he's inspired me, or act like

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00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 3: he hasn't done the things he's done, Like we don't

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00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 3: do that where I'm from. We give you your props

800
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 3: or else we would be haters. But I just have

801
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 3: to let him know, like what you're doing right now

802
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 3: is particularly pernicious to us because we're in a very

803
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 3: specific place in this country. And when you go back

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00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 3: and you watch it, you listen, Now, look, my thing

805
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 3: is this any one person like that. There's no person

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Speaker 3: that's like going to be able to be a nigga

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00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 3: whisperer and change what somebody thinks. Like there's a day

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00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 3: to day experience that people have that has to do

809
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 3: with their surroundings, who they are, their input and output

810
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 3: that's going to affect how they look at the world.

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Speaker 3: And you're not asking anybody to be to change that.

812
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 3: But what I do think is important as black people

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Speaker 3: who is for us to be cognizant of how what

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Speaker 3: we do affects other people. For example, I worked at

815
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 3: TMZ for nine years. I'm not in a moral position

816
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:18,439
Speaker 3: to chastise anyone, like literally, like not in a figurative way.

817
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 3: I'm not in a moral position to chastise anyone. I

818
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 3: understand compromises that people have to make in order to

819
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 3: get to where they want to get. I understand that

820
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 3: sometimes people might walk into situations and not really know

821
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Speaker 3: what it is that they're getting into. And then on

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Speaker 3: the other side, you know better than you do better, right,

823
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Speaker 3: So it's not about that. It's about just alerting someone

824
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 3: when you feel like they're doing harm and then that's that.

825
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 3: And then after that, after I've said my piece, you

826
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 3: can choose either you can continue to harm me or

827
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Speaker 3: you can be different.

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Speaker 1: So how did that milestone with Kanye change the trajectory

829
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Speaker 1: of your life? Because it definitely had a huge impact.

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00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 3: So it was really the beginning of my career. And

831
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 3: the reason why it was was because number One, I

832
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 3: was never going to be able to leave TMZ with

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00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 3: the reputation that they have there, and this is not

834
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 3: shots at TMZ or anything like that. Once you leave

835
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Speaker 3: a place that has such a distinct perch and culture,

836
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 3: it's very difficult for people to believe certain things about you.

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00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:26,240
Speaker 3: And I think going over.

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Speaker 1: What do you mean, like what kind of culture? Like

839
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Speaker 1: are you familiar with I am familiar with them. I'm

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00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:40,280
Speaker 1: just saying, describe it. Ah, I'm saying from the journalists perspective,

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00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 1: you're saying.

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00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 3: Like, Okay, That's what I'm saying. So, look, there's a

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00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 3: reason why like a TMS exists. And honestly, the reason

844
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 3: why TMS exists is the need for people to feel

845
00:43:56,040 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 3: good about themselves.

846
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:02,839
Speaker 1: The reader or the watcher to feel.

847
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 3: So the celebrity in America is overloved, way overloved, over important,

848
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:20,320
Speaker 3: over everything. It just doesn't matter that much that somebody

849
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,800
Speaker 3: is famous or rich. It just really doesn't matter that much. Honestly,

850
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 3: it's probably a net negative. However, it's so it's so

851
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 3: precious to people that there's a need to feel that

852
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 3: that person has done or is doing something.

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Speaker 1: Wrong, like to more humanize them.

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Speaker 3: Right, So, like the question becomes this, say, take Kim Kardashian, right,

855
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 3: everybody saw her fuck right, everybody saw her. Fuck, it's

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00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 3: just sex tape out. Everybody saw it, right, everybody watched

857
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 3: the sex tape that comes out. And people get to

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Speaker 3: make the decision about whether or not they would have

859
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Speaker 3: that happen for them, whether or not they would go

860
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 3: through that in order to be Kim Kardashian, And it

861
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 3: makes them feel good to say no. So it makes

862
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 3: them feel good to say, you know what, I wouldn't

863
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:17,839
Speaker 3: want that life. It's too crazy. It makes them good

864
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 3: to feel to say. It makes him feel good to say,

865
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 3: I wouldn't compromise myself in that way. It makes him

866
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 3: feel good to say, I would never do this, I

867
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 3: would never be around these people. I would never do that.

868
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:28,479
Speaker 3: I would never do this. It makes him feel good

869
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 3: to say, Hollywood's too weird, I wouldn't do that. Right,

870
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 3: And TMZ feels that bloodlust that people have, and it

871
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 3: lets them disconnect from the idea that these people are

872
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:42,439
Speaker 3: better than them. It lets them disconnect because every time

873
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 3: somebody gets a dui and it goes up to the thing.

874
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:48,239
Speaker 3: Every time somebody gets a divorce, everybody in here knows

875
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:53,720
Speaker 3: people have been divorced. Yeah, there's no magic or sinister

876
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 3: story to a divorce. Sometimes it don't work out. It

877
00:45:57,560 --> 00:45:59,959
Speaker 3: just doesn't work out. But you want to believe certain

878
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 3: people will never be happy because their lifestyles are antithetical

879
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 3: to happiness in a relationship. So you want to you

880
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:12,800
Speaker 3: want to believe, like like you like you, you you,

881
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 3: you want to believe that, right, you want to believe

882
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 3: that teams gives you that. In order to do that,

883
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 3: TMZ has to treat those people like they're not people.

884
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 3: They have to treat them as if their concepts celebrity

885
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 3: is not a person.

886
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:31,720
Speaker 1: That's why I guess comes off a little bit invasive

887
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:32,320
Speaker 1: and ruthless.

888
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 3: Right, Well, no, because they're.

889
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:37,280
Speaker 1: They're not treating they're they're treating them kind of like, well.

890
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 3: You have to write like even even the TMS tour

891
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 3: was a celebrity safari, Like what's on a safari?

892
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, animals animals, right and.

893
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 3: So and so like when when you like the tours

894
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 3: celebrity as animals, right and so you do that, right

895
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 3: and what you what you say is okay, Well, in

896
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 3: order to be a celebrity, the game is pr at

897
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 3: its base, right, So this is what you sign up

898
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 3: for kind of right, because like there are certain things

899
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:05,399
Speaker 3: that you don't sign up for I'll never talk. I'll

900
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 3: never I'll never forget this. There was the sister of

901
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:12,799
Speaker 3: a celebrity that had that had had something taught done

902
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 3: to them. I'll never forget. I'm not gonna talk about

903
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 3: who I had the conversation with. I'm like, Yo, we

904
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 3: shouldn't do that. And they did the story and this

905
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:25,320
Speaker 3: dude went on fucking and let us fucking happen, and

906
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 3: I was like, yo, we had to take it down

907
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 3: and apologize and do all that stuff. Like yo, like

908
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 3: there's a limit to this. And that's not me making

909
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:32,879
Speaker 3: a moral judgment on the team team. I'm just telling

910
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 3: you the way things go. So like when you know

911
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 3: all of that, when you have an idea of what

912
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:47,360
Speaker 3: drives that, like obviously they're moral. Uh, there're things that

913
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 3: you have to not care about to work there. But

914
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:52,840
Speaker 3: most of the people there are good people. They're just

915
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 3: desensitized to whatever was going on there because that's where

916
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:58,359
Speaker 3: they work, like like that, like that's what they do.

917
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 3: I'm there. It's the same thing. Things are coming in

918
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 3: at a certain point you go goddamn, you know, and

919
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:08,319
Speaker 3: it's there will be little small things. This is a

920
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 3: football player that had this video come out of some

921
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 3: altercation it was in and it said savage beating by this,

922
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 3: and I was just looking at the hellline. I'm like,

923
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:19,839
Speaker 3: that's I don't think we should go savage beating there,

924
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:23,399
Speaker 3: Like I think savage is like a that's like an

925
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:28,360
Speaker 3: interesting way or there's just little small things. The mayor

926
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 3: of DC died, Marion Barry crack maryor Marion Barry dies

927
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:37,399
Speaker 3: like he died, and like, by the way, the people

928
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 3: in DC are going to freak the funk out because

929
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 3: I don't know if you guys know, but Marion Barry

930
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 3: was with Martin Luther King Junior. Like where I'm from,

931
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:47,800
Speaker 3: like I deal with a group of people, a community,

932
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:51,319
Speaker 3: people that are always categorized by the worst moment that

933
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 3: they have. And I don't feel comfortable with categorizing a

934
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:59,799
Speaker 3: man that means so much to his city by the worst,

935
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 3: most scandalous thing you ever had. You can't talk about

936
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 3: his life without talking about that, but maybe in the

937
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 3: headline you don't do that. So so so, so all

938
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 3: of those things start to start to happen, and so

939
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 3: for me, what the place represents, it's not even so

940
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 3: much a bunch of uh not even so much a

941
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 3: bunch of moral people that are running around trying to

942
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 3: get the dirn on celebrities. It represents our relationship to

943
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 3: celebrity and our relationship to ourselves, because there's no fucking

944
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:35,320
Speaker 3: reason whatsoever why we should spend so much time talking

945
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:37,840
Speaker 3: about what happens in the lives of famous people.

946
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947
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