Speaker 1: What's that at the foot of my bed. It's spooky.
Speaker 2: I'm jooky.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it's dead. It's coming this way.
Speaker 3: Wait a minute, I go, said.
Speaker 2: Tyrone's dressed fans.
Speaker 1: Hey boo, it's me and Roz. Today we are talking
Speaker 1: all about Hollywood ghosts, pretty much my favorite topic in
Speaker 1: the entire world, and we'll be talking with Laurie Jacobson
Speaker 1: and I cannot wait to share that with you. But
Speaker 1: you know what I haven't done in a while, and
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry about this, is I haven't been reading
Speaker 1: a ton of listener stories that have been submitted to
Speaker 1: me via five star ratings on Apple Podcasts. And I
Speaker 1: was checking the five star ratings and the reviews and
Speaker 1: you guys are so nice and I really appreciate that
Speaker 1: and it really helps out the show. So keep them coming.
Speaker 1: And there was a ghost story in there from Cass
Speaker 1: the Lar and this spooky Cass Rights. When I was younger,
Speaker 1: I absolutely hated going to sleep because I would always
Speaker 1: be woken up by the strangest things in the middle
Speaker 1: of the night. Sometimes there would be a shadow figure
Speaker 1: sitting on a chair in the corner of my room
Speaker 1: and if it would catch me staring, it would begin
Speaker 1: to approach me really slowly. Other times I would become
Speaker 1: paralyzed and see faces and hands start to reach out
Speaker 1: of the walls trying to grab me. During this time,
Speaker 1: I was still sharing a room with my parents, so
Speaker 1: whenever I would start to see things, I would try
Speaker 1: and scream out to them, but I never could. The
Speaker 1: only thing that would keep these shadows away was by praying,
Speaker 1: and each time that I prayed, a pair of soft
Speaker 1: blue slash white hands would wrap around me and start
Speaker 1: to pray as well. I could hear whatever it was
Speaker 1: speak in a different language, but I remember thinking it
Speaker 1: sounded so pretty. It was the only thing that could
Speaker 1: break me out of my paralysis and let me run
Speaker 1: to my parents. Years later, when we finally moved out,
Speaker 1: they began to remodel the floorings of my room. As
Speaker 1: they stripped away the carpet, it was discovered that under
Speaker 1: my bed was a cemented safe built in the floor
Speaker 1: that we never knew about. People would come and see
Speaker 1: if they could open the safe, but no one ever could.
Speaker 1: In the end, it was just decided to put wood
Speaker 1: flooring over the safe and leave it as is. I
Speaker 1: haven't seen that shadow figure since then, what is in
Speaker 1: the safe? What is in the safe? Thank you Casa
Speaker 1: Belar so much for sending that review. I was also
Speaker 1: thinking when they mentioned the blue slash white hands that
Speaker 1: would pray with you. Now I'm not a big prayer necessarily,
Speaker 1: but I bought these praying hands at a thrift store.
Speaker 1: It's like they're blue and white, kind of tinted, and
Speaker 1: they've got they're like three D like praying hands that
Speaker 1: are like a wal Art thing. And I went out
Speaker 1: and I bought some long fingernails and I painted them
Speaker 1: pink and I glued those right on those little fingers
Speaker 1: as they're praying, and they're gorgeous, and they're in my home.
Speaker 1: And that reminds me because I'm gonna do maybe two
Speaker 1: videos the next few weeks of me giving a little
Speaker 1: tour of the weird things like that that I have
Speaker 1: in my home, and so on Patreon this week you
Speaker 1: will see a little tour of my living room and
Speaker 1: my Christmas tree and all the weird, funky things that
Speaker 1: I have in my home. I have a chair that's
Speaker 1: shaped like a hand. I have a coffee table that
Speaker 1: is shaped like two paper mache seals that came complete
Speaker 1: with fishing line whiskers. I don't know. I found it
Speaker 1: out of flea market. I have weird stuff and it's
Speaker 1: fun and I'd love to show you. So go to
Speaker 1: patreon dot com slash Rose Dress Falaz. So today Laurie Jacobson.
Speaker 1: I am so happy to talk to her. So I've
Speaker 1: known about Lori Jacobson for a while now because since
Speaker 1: as long as I can remember, I have always watched
Speaker 1: TV shows, documentaries about spooky Hollywood history, scandalous Hollywood history,
Speaker 1: and Luri is one of those people that if you
Speaker 1: want someone that's got the juicyt about some kind of
Speaker 1: ghost in an old movie studio, you call Lori Jacobson.
Speaker 1: She wrote a book in the nineties called Hollywood Haunted,
Speaker 1: and she just knows her stuff. I mean, she's a historian.
Speaker 1: And you know, anytime I have on a historian or
Speaker 1: a paranormal investigator or somebody that has had years and
Speaker 1: years of I mean decades of experience and has dedicated
Speaker 1: their lives to these things, it's kind of it's almost
Speaker 1: like harder to do like a hour long podcast with
Speaker 1: them because there's just so much to talk about. So
Speaker 1: I one hundred percent am looking forward to having her
Speaker 1: come back because we just hit the tip of the iceberg,
Speaker 1: and also we had a little bit of a time constraint,
Speaker 1: so we only talked about a couple of things. But
Speaker 1: she's a great story and she brought it some of
Speaker 1: the things that we talk about on the show. For reference.
Speaker 1: If you're new around here, welcome. We did reference some
Speaker 1: old episodes. David Omen which was early on in the podcast.
Speaker 1: It's still posted. He's the man that lives in the
Speaker 1: incredibly haunted house that is near the site of the
Speaker 1: Manson murders, but it's also just incredibly haunted by who
Speaker 1: knows how many ghosts that just come in and out
Speaker 1: of that house. They say it's a portal to the
Speaker 1: other side. It's crazy. And then we also reference my
Speaker 1: friend Justin Martindale, who is a comedian and works at
Speaker 1: the Comedy Store, and so we talk about the Comedy
Speaker 1: Store ghosts, and we referenced when she was on Unsolved Mysteries,
Speaker 1: like the old Unsolved Mysteries with Robert Stack and they
Speaker 1: did an episode at the Comedy Store and I actually
Speaker 1: found it on Amazon Prime. It was just streaming, So,
Speaker 1: I when's the last time you watched that show? Have
Speaker 1: you ever watched that show? It is so fun, and
Speaker 1: you know, I like to watch it. You know, I
Speaker 1: have like old paranormal books, and I like to watch
Speaker 1: these old paranormal shows. But sometimes I like, here's what
Speaker 1: I do. I watch those things and then I look up,
Speaker 1: like what has happened since then? Because you know, you
Speaker 1: can't just like you gotta update your facts at times.
Speaker 1: So I like to go back and watch these old,
Speaker 1: you know, eighties early nineties Unsolved mystery episodes and they're
Speaker 1: so fun. They've got great re enactments. And then on
Speaker 1: page Round this week, my bonus clip with her is
Speaker 1: we talk about the Haunting of Ozzie Nelson. We talked
Speaker 1: about this earlier this year, maybe in the springtime, maybe
Speaker 1: early pandemic time. We talked about the actor Christopher Maloney
Speaker 1: is selling his house and it's haunted and it used
Speaker 1: to belong to Ozzie and Harriet Nelson, who the two
Speaker 1: of them. You know, they had this real famous TV
Speaker 1: show back in like fifties, sixties, a clean cut family
Speaker 1: kind of leave it to be real, almost not gonna lie.
Speaker 1: I've never seen it. Don't know much about that, but
Speaker 1: I do know that he's a famous ghost here in
Speaker 1: Hollywood and she knows all the details about it, and
Speaker 1: so we get into that and that is on my
Speaker 1: second tier on Patreon, Patreon dot com slash ras dress Felz.
Speaker 1: All right, let's talk some Hollywood ghosts with Lori Jacobson
Speaker 1: on with the show. Hello, Lorii, how are you?
Speaker 2: I am great, Roz, how are you doing?
Speaker 1: I am so good? And I was just talking with
Speaker 1: my producer Land. We're like starstruck talking to you because
Speaker 1: both of us like love Hollywood history so much. I mean,
Speaker 1: we're both here in Hollywood and we loved the TV
Speaker 1: show Ease Mysteries and Scandals, which you're a part of.
Speaker 1: You're in that incredible Sunset Strip documentary, which I think
Speaker 1: is so beautiful, and.
Speaker 2: Yes, I loved that. I love the you know, you're
Speaker 2: in something you never know how it's going to be.
Speaker 2: But I just thought it came out so great.
Speaker 1: It was so wonderful, and you just have like the
Speaker 1: best insight, you know, all the juicy and the spooky.
Speaker 1: And that's the part of Hollywood that I'm always so into.
Speaker 2: Well that's you know, you can't make this stuff up.
Speaker 2: You were any better than what really.
Speaker 1: Happened exactly, and there's so many, just like only in Hollywood,
Speaker 1: you know. Like I was watching the Unsolved Mysteries that
Speaker 1: you were on. I was rewatching it because I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go talk to Laurie, and I need to
Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about here, because I know I've
Speaker 1: seen that. It's been years since I saw that original
Speaker 1: and we're talking the original Unsolved Mysteries, not the one
Speaker 1: on Netflix, which is great, but the original Robert Stack
Speaker 1: Unsolved Mysteries. They did one about the Comedy Store, and
Speaker 1: I had my friend Justin on Justin Martindale, who's a
Speaker 1: regular at the Comedy Store, and we talked about that episode,
Speaker 1: but it had been kind of like a couple of
Speaker 1: years since we'd seen it. So I watched it last
Speaker 1: night and you were a waitress there.
Speaker 2: Yes, I was, Yes, I was doing. I was in
Speaker 2: a fantastic comedy improv workshop for about seven years and
Speaker 2: it was run by a wonderful character actor named Harvey
Speaker 2: Lebeck who played Eric von Zipper and all the Beach
Speaker 2: movies and you'd know him if you saw them. And
Speaker 2: you know, my classmates were Robin Williams and John Ritter
Speaker 2: and John Lareauquette and it was an amazing time and
Speaker 2: a fantastic experience. And so, you know, the Comedy Store
Speaker 2: was the perfect place for me to work a side
Speaker 2: job and learn more about comedy. Little did I expect
Speaker 2: to learn more about ghosts.
Speaker 1: What era was this?
Speaker 2: I worked there in nineteen eighty one and into nineteen
Speaker 2: eighty two.
Speaker 1: Wow, So that was like a real big time at
Speaker 1: the Comedy Store.
Speaker 2: You know, it was absolutely the Golden Age. I mean,
Speaker 2: the list of people that performed their nightly you know
Speaker 2: are now just I mean, you know it was Seinfeld
Speaker 2: and Leno and Arsenio Hall and Gary Shandling and Sondra
Speaker 2: Bernhard and just I really I could just go on
Speaker 2: and on with famous names and not all of them
Speaker 2: were famous yet. And also during that time, Richard Pryor
Speaker 2: was there every night preparing for his documentary Live on
Speaker 2: the Sunset Strips, and he brought in the people that
Speaker 2: came in to see him nightly, you know, Mick Jagger,
Speaker 2: Bette Midler, Sugar Ray, Leonard, John McEnroe. It really it
Speaker 2: ran that Peter o'tool. That was my most thrilling night.
Speaker 1: It's so cool to hear you talk about this because
Speaker 1: you know, I think my goal is to be you
Speaker 1: because they say that there's like a second comedy boom
Speaker 1: that's happened the past, you know, over the past ten
Speaker 1: years or so. And I my last job was being
Speaker 1: a door person at the Improv, and so I feel
Speaker 1: like I got to you know, a lot of people
Speaker 1: that maybe in like twenty years or so, I'll be
Speaker 1: like these legends I got to know, you know, before
Speaker 1: they were you know, big deals. But that place is
Speaker 1: not nearly as haunted as the Comedy Store.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 2: I went to the Improv quite a bit because back
Speaker 2: in the eighties they had a bar and a room
Speaker 2: you could hang out in, and the Comedy Store did
Speaker 2: not have that. At that time. You were either in
Speaker 2: the room watching performers or waiting outside to get in.
Speaker 2: It's only fairly recently that they added a bar outside
Speaker 2: where you could hang out. So we often hung at
Speaker 2: the Improv. And I never heard one ghost story about
Speaker 2: that place.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very interesting because once I work there, I started,
Speaker 1: you know, I kind of get my vibes from ghosts,
Speaker 1: and I was getting slight vibes, you know, like not
Speaker 1: not full on there's a ghost here, but just like
Speaker 1: what's going on. I'm feeling something. And then I talked
Speaker 1: to more people and I actually did an episode about
Speaker 1: it on this podcast as well with the manager, the
Speaker 1: general manager there, and she's had all these experiences. So
Speaker 1: it's like it's like there's ghosts there, but they're just
Speaker 1: sort of like, I don't I don't know how that works,
Speaker 1: but the ghosts of the Emprevor are just they're maybe
Speaker 1: more shy there. They're not that interested in like being ghosts.
Speaker 1: They're like, yeah, it's it's like a part time job,
Speaker 1: that's what it is there.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, there is a really interesting history there originally,
Speaker 2: well back in the sixties it was a folk club
Speaker 2: a group, yes, the ash Grove, thank you. I couldn't
Speaker 2: think of it, the ash Grove. And then you know
Speaker 2: there's some history of a fire.
Speaker 1: Yes, well I believe that fire took place around that
Speaker 1: time of the Comedy Strike and the Comedy Store and
Speaker 1: all this. There's that book I'm Dying up here, which
Speaker 1: is a lot about the seventies comedy that whole comedy
Speaker 1: boom in that era. I believe that's when the fire
Speaker 1: took place.
Speaker 2: I don't know, you know it it doesn't have to
Speaker 2: be the building or the history of the building. It
Speaker 2: can be you know, a ghost can be attached to
Speaker 2: that property from you know, something that happened one hundred
Speaker 2: years ago.
Speaker 1: Right yeah, or I mean there's so many ways. It's
Speaker 1: like one could could come back, or it could be
Speaker 1: somebody that used to perform there all the time and
Speaker 1: they feel very connected to that place. I feel like
Speaker 1: you hear that a lot in Hollywood. You hear about
Speaker 1: these celebrity ghosts that just love Like Marilyn Monroe, She's
Speaker 1: in seventy five places. You know, she loved hanging out
Speaker 1: at this pool at the Roosevelt. You see her there.
Speaker 1: She loved hanging out at this hotel. Like she's she's
Speaker 1: all over the place, And I don't know, maybe it's
Speaker 1: because she just felt a connection to those places. I'm
Speaker 1: not really sure.
Speaker 2: Part of it is that, and part of it, I
Speaker 2: think is her enormous popularity. You know, people don't stop
Speaker 2: thinking about her, Like remember all the Elvis sightings that happened, Yeah,
Speaker 2: after Elvis died. You know, you've got when you've got
Speaker 2: millions of people thinking about you, it is a very
Speaker 2: strong pull, and they may not necessarily want to continue
Speaker 2: hanging out around here, right when millions of when millions
Speaker 2: of people wish they could see you be near, you
Speaker 2: go to places you went to and they're thinking of you.
Speaker 2: It's you can be held here against your will. Literally.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's sad.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 1: And like you know, even with like Elvis, it's like
Speaker 1: he'll appear in a piece of toast or something. According
Speaker 1: to some people, he's like, just let me sleep. God. Well,
Speaker 1: well let's go back to the comedy store for a second.
Speaker 2: Okay, the.
Speaker 1: So the history. Can you tell us the history from?
Speaker 1: I want to? Can I hear it from like world
Speaker 1: renowned Hollywood historian Lorie Jacobson.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. Well. What I loved about it was that it
Speaker 2: used to be Zero's Nightclub, which was the most popular,
Speaker 2: most glamorous club during Hollywood's Golden Age, and you know,
Speaker 2: located on the heart of the Sunset Strip, walking distance
Speaker 2: to the Trocadero and the Macambo, so that really that
Speaker 2: two block area was just so star studed. But Zero's
Speaker 2: was the one. And when a club is that popular
Speaker 2: and making that much money, the mob often gets very
Speaker 2: interested and wants some of that money. So there were
Speaker 2: some rather infamous types that hung out there. Mickey Kohne
Speaker 2: was a La gangster known as the King of the
Speaker 2: Sunset Strip. He had a habit dash on the strip
Speaker 2: just beyond what is now Book Soup right where you
Speaker 2: know where I mean, right where that little uh caddy
Speaker 2: caddy corner from what used to be Tower Records, and
Speaker 2: that was merely a front for his nefarious doings. There
Speaker 2: was actually a shootout there where they you know, a
Speaker 2: drive by shooting, where they riddled his store with a
Speaker 2: Tommy gun. But fortunately Nicky was in the bathroom at
Speaker 2: the time and missed all the excitement. But he what
Speaker 2: he did was to send And this story was told
Speaker 2: to me by the producer George Schlaughter, who produced laugh In.
Speaker 2: George booked the Acts at Syra Rows in the early fifties,
Speaker 2: and he said once a week they would get a
Speaker 2: hat box from Mickey Cohne's habitatarie with instructions to simply
Speaker 2: fill this with money and send it back. So the
Speaker 2: cops saw hat boxes going in and out of the store,
Speaker 2: and in and out of Cohen's store. But you know,
Speaker 2: they could never prove anything unless they stopped the deliveries,
Speaker 2: which they I guess legally they could not do. So
Speaker 2: that's how Mickey got his money out of the store.
Speaker 2: But men in wide lapel pinstripe suits were often seen
Speaker 2: at the comedy store, going in and out of the offices.
Speaker 2: And at one point I was giving an interview there
Speaker 2: about the go hosts of the store, and I had
Speaker 2: a parapsychologist, a very renowned parapsychologist with me, and he
Speaker 2: was watching these men watch us give the interview. You know,
Speaker 2: there were daytime employees there walking through and he thought
Speaker 2: nothing of it, but then they just vaporized in front
Speaker 2: of him, and he realized that they were standing where
Speaker 2: a booth was, and you can't stand in a booth.
Speaker 2: And then he realized they were wearing those suits and
Speaker 2: just watching with curiosity as I talked about them, couldn't
Speaker 2: see them.
Speaker 1: That's so interesting, Yeah, because that's what I've heard, even
Speaker 1: from my friend Justin that was on the show. He
Speaker 1: told me that the person that he saw seemed kind
Speaker 1: of nineteen forties, the hat on in a suit, and
Speaker 1: it seems to be there's a number of those kinds
Speaker 1: of ghosts there.
Speaker 2: Yes, we would hear, you know, you know, they obviously
Speaker 2: when there are you know, when the place is filled
Speaker 2: with two hundred people, you don't see anything and you
Speaker 2: can't feel the energy. But after two o'clock, when the
Speaker 2: club closed and we were cleaning up, is when all
Speaker 2: of the stuff happened. And we would hear women talking
Speaker 2: in the bathroom in the ladies room after the club
Speaker 2: was closed, using Forty's lingo that that heel two times me,
Speaker 2: you know, and we'd go in to tell them, hey, sorry,
Speaker 2: the club is closed. Then there wouldn't be anyone in there.
Speaker 2: But I loved sometimes these very mysterious things happened, Like
Speaker 2: we would we would clean up a room and we
Speaker 2: would go back in and a spotlight would be shining
Speaker 2: on the peace piano and on top of the piano
Speaker 2: were two Martini glasses that the club didn't have. It
Speaker 2: was from a different style, and they and they would
Speaker 2: be you know, just just really I loved that. I
Speaker 2: just you know, I'm a Hollywood historian, and I felt
Speaker 2: like the history was really coming alive, you know, while
Speaker 2: I was there. And and and they were critics as well.
Speaker 2: Sam Kinnison was at the club during that time, and
Speaker 2: they hated him. They hated his act. He screamed a lot.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean it's not very forties fifties style.
Speaker 2: No, And they just hated it. And whenever he would
Speaker 2: come on, you know, the sound would go out or
Speaker 2: the lights would go out. They did whatever they could
Speaker 2: do to prevent him from going on. And one night
Speaker 2: he was on in the original room, which is the
Speaker 2: smaller room, and some people were sitting in the main
Speaker 2: room next door and they heard this buzzing bozoom bazoom bosom,
Speaker 2: and they thought, what the hell is that noise? And
Speaker 2: it slowed down and they could hear people moaning, it's him,
Speaker 2: it's him, and just you know, complaining. At one time,
Speaker 2: Sam challenged them, you know, if you're really here, come out,
Speaker 2: and like ashtrays flew across the room and smashed against
Speaker 2: the wall behind him.
Speaker 1: So when you started working there, were you Were you
Speaker 1: a believer in ghosts? Were you interested in ghosts?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know. I was always that kid at camp
Speaker 2: around the campfire that wanted to hear the spooky stories.
Speaker 2: And I read a lot of books and I was
Speaker 2: always fascinated, you know, just I mean, and then you know,
Speaker 2: I mean, heck, Abraham Lincoln is you know, appearing at
Speaker 2: the White House and You've got all these people saying
Speaker 2: they saw him. He was captured in a photo I
Speaker 2: think by Margaret bork White, a very famous photographer. You know.
Speaker 2: So I was always sure that they existed, but I
Speaker 2: didn't know exactly what held them here or why they
Speaker 2: were around until I really dove into it all.
Speaker 1: So do you have a pretty good idea, like do
Speaker 1: you do you have a belief of, for example, why
Speaker 1: Hollywood is so haunted.
Speaker 2: Well, very dramatic things happened in Hollywood. You've got a
Speaker 2: whole community of people that don't want to be forgotten,
Speaker 2: and that kind of makes sense. But you've you've also
Speaker 2: got unsolved murders, suicides, people that died tragically before their time,
Speaker 2: and all of all of that is great fodder for ghosts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I always think it's a lot of unsolved or
Speaker 1: a lot of unfinished business here in Hollywood. A lot
Speaker 1: of people came here for a reason. They wanted to
Speaker 1: achieve that, and then they died before they achieved that,
Speaker 1: and now they're still they still have that goal, which
Speaker 1: kind of keeps them around. I think that's I think
Speaker 1: that might be one of the reasons. And then also
Speaker 1: they not only do they want to be remembered. But
Speaker 1: they're people that like to be seen, they like to perform.
Speaker 1: You know, not all ghosts, but you know a lot
Speaker 1: of the famous people ghosts or the aspiring famous people goes.
Speaker 2: Yes, I agree.
Speaker 1: So do you have like a favorite Hollywood haunted hot spot?
Speaker 2: Well, one one story that I covered with the aforementioned parapsychologist.
Speaker 2: His name is Barry Tech.
Speaker 1: Oh, Corey f Now that's another person that was in
Speaker 1: so many documentaries that I watched, like throughout the nineties
Speaker 1: and two thousands. I need to have him off.
Speaker 2: Yes, Yes, he's fascinating. And the most outstanding case that
Speaker 2: he ever worked on was in the Hollywood Hills near
Speaker 2: Beechwood Canyon, which is also really haunted, and I lived
Speaker 2: in the I lived in that canyon for decades and
Speaker 2: loved it. But this one particular house had so so
Speaker 2: much activity it was just outrageous. He'd never seen anything
Speaker 2: like it. So a friend of his had gone to
Speaker 2: a party there and told Barry, you have got to go,
Speaker 2: and Barry made arrangements to go. The man who was
Speaker 2: living there was preparing to move out. He had lived
Speaker 2: there seven years and the activity had escalated so much
Speaker 2: during those seven years that he could didn't take it anymore. So,
Speaker 2: you know, Barry is there, and several other people are there,
Speaker 2: and like a woman is there, and she said something
Speaker 2: that apparently the spirit did not like, and a chair
Speaker 2: moved across the floor pinned her to a wall. A
Speaker 2: tea kettle came from out of the kitchen, floating in
Speaker 2: the air and dumped water all over her. A man,
Speaker 2: a man started laughing at that, and a shoe flew
Speaker 2: from around the corner and hit him in the head.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: A fire broke out in the waste in a waste
Speaker 2: basket in the bathroom. Books were flying out of shelves
Speaker 2: across the room. At one point, they oh, and forget
Speaker 2: about the electron tricity and the doors, you know, doors
Speaker 2: opening and closing, locking behind you. Barry brought a film
Speaker 2: crew in there at one point, and every time they
Speaker 2: plugged their equipment into the wall, that particular outlet would fail.
Speaker 2: All the others would be working. But you know, it
Speaker 2: wouldn't allow it wouldn't allow these people to use the
Speaker 2: electricity in the house. The reporter, Connie Fox was her name,
Speaker 2: just was just just thought, oh that all these things
Speaker 2: are on strings flying you've got this all rigged. And
Speaker 2: with that in an enormous atlas lifted off a stand
Speaker 2: open and was flapping its its pages like a bird
Speaker 2: and chased her out of the house down a Z
Speaker 2: shaped staircase as she's screaming the whole time, and the
Speaker 2: book is making the turns and staying on her tail.
Speaker 2: I mean, Barry really had never seen anything like this
Speaker 2: in his life. They brought in a priest. They brought
Speaker 2: in a priest to bless the house, and the moment
Speaker 2: he entered, his hat apported to an inaccessible area of
Speaker 2: the roof, and when he got out his holy water,
Speaker 2: the bottle exploded.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, So you know, yeah it was you know.
Speaker 2: A cook was in the kitchen trying to prepare food
Speaker 2: for all these guests, and he took a butcher knife
Speaker 2: to cut open a head of cabbage, and the cabbage
Speaker 2: with the knife in it chased him out of the house.
Speaker 2: So the man who on the house moved out couldn't
Speaker 2: take it. And before before the new owner moved in,
Speaker 2: Barry asked if he could stay there by himself, and
Speaker 2: he stayed there for nine days and nights, and actually
Speaker 2: many of his experiences during those nine days are used
Speaker 2: in the film Poultergeist.
Speaker 1: Well, definitely the Poltergeist.
Speaker 2: Yes, well, you know, and in he would in bed
Speaker 2: one night a lady joined him in bed and spooned him,
Speaker 2: and he could smell her perfume. He would prepare a
Speaker 2: drink for himself, a soft during and turned back to
Speaker 2: shut the refrigerator, and the drink was gone, And then
Speaker 2: he found it two days later behind some locked doors
Speaker 2: in another room. He met the gentleman who lived next door,
Speaker 2: who was also experiencing all these things in his house,
Speaker 2: and he led Barry to a secret compartment in his
Speaker 2: house next door. Now these houses were built in nineteen
Speaker 2: twenty four. But in this secret compartment it led to
Speaker 2: a series of tunnels that led up the hill. And
Speaker 2: in the tunnel they found a grave of a woman
Speaker 2: and it was had the date nineteen twenty two on
Speaker 2: it and a first So she came before the house.
Speaker 2: Now is she the woman Barry feels in the house.
Speaker 2: So we made guesses. There were often tunnels during prohibition,
Speaker 2: where you know, people kept stills and things. But there
Speaker 2: was also a nearby monastery in the hills, and people
Speaker 2: have seen lines of monks chanting and walking up the
Speaker 2: hills to the monastery, and you know, we wondered if
Speaker 2: one of the monks, you know, knocked this woman up
Speaker 2: and did away with her. I mean, we you know,
Speaker 2: we just don't know. So now, years and years later,
Speaker 2: the house had been completely renovated, and Barry took me there,
Speaker 2: and the men who owned it was in the women's
Speaker 2: clothing business, and he had posters of models modeling the
Speaker 2: clothing that he sold in all of the bedrooms, and
Speaker 2: all these male parapsychologists are running around with their equipment,
Speaker 2: you know, on the outside of the house, I'm registering
Speaker 2: this and that. But me, I'm walking through the house
Speaker 2: by myself, and I feel a spirit intensely as I'm
Speaker 2: coming up the stairs and in the area in front
Speaker 2: of the stairs. But every time I go into a
Speaker 2: bedroom where there's a picture of a woman, I feel nothing.
Speaker 2: So I go into the only room where there is
Speaker 2: no picture of a woman, and I am overwhelmed with
Speaker 2: the feeling of a spear it and I and I
Speaker 2: call all the males parapsychologists. They all come running up
Speaker 2: with their equipment and suddenly the chandelier starts oscillating, you know,
Speaker 2: in a circle. It wasn't swinging back and forth like
Speaker 2: somebody knocked it. It was moving in a circular way
Speaker 2: that that we could not have done. And then we
Speaker 2: saw uh youah, light, globes of light that were showing
Speaker 2: up in photos that everyone was taking. And I suggested
Speaker 2: that they bring a photo of one of these women
Speaker 2: into the room room and oh, she did not think
Speaker 2: that was funny. The ghost of this woman did not
Speaker 2: think that was funny. And all at activity ceased and
Speaker 2: we all felt like we had made a mistake.
Speaker 1: So she was.
Speaker 2: Very angry about other women being present. However, I was
Speaker 2: the only woman there, and she did reveal herself to me.
Speaker 1: Did the guy that had moved in the second owner
Speaker 1: did he did he figure that one out? Did he? Like?
Speaker 1: How did he know that? With the photos of the women?
Speaker 2: I think he just had them there because you know,
Speaker 2: he had you know, because they were his product that
Speaker 2: he was selling.
Speaker 1: But he was having crazy experiences as well. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: and you know, like there might even be more than
Speaker 1: just the woman. I mean with like holy water exploding
Speaker 1: and that sounds like a lot of things going on there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was the most remarkable case that Barry had
Speaker 2: ever worked on, so that that was pretty crazy time.
Speaker 1: Also, I always think about, you know, they say that
Speaker 1: Benedict Canyon is cursed or you know, has a long
Speaker 1: history of crazy, bad things happening and the spiritual aftermath.
Speaker 1: Have you ever heard of do you know David Omen
Speaker 1: or the Omen House? Have you ever?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Yes, I've been there a couple of times. And he
Speaker 1: came on this podcast and that is an interesting property.
Speaker 1: Have you ever been there? Yes, I have did anything.
Speaker 2: Yes, And I went. I went with Barry. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: I and I went with my husband who by the
Speaker 2: it was Timmy on Lassie.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, those reading that online, Oh my god, that's amazing.
Speaker 2: I know. So he gets dragged to these crazy you
Speaker 2: know places that I go to, and he got such
Speaker 2: a tremendous headache there he couldn't be inside. Same with Barry.
Speaker 2: Barry was actually hospitalized after his last visit there and
Speaker 2: vowed never to return. I didn't have that experience. I
Speaker 2: felt when I feel the presence of a ghost, I
Speaker 2: feel tremendous pressure on my head like I'm underwater. And
Speaker 2: I did feel that there. And I was with Barry
Speaker 2: one day there and we were holding a compass and
Speaker 2: we could not get a reading. It spun around, like
Speaker 2: you know, it spun It just kept spinning around. We couldn't,
Speaker 2: you know. And I said to Barry, what the hell
Speaker 2: does that mean? And he said, it meant that whatever
Speaker 2: is here is stronger than the magnetic pull of the earth.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because that's what they say. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: it was Barry Tap that did so much research to
Speaker 1: realize that something to do with the magnetic it's like
Speaker 1: in a magnetic anomaly or something that spific area where
Speaker 1: that house is. So the energy is just incredible. And
Speaker 1: for anyone listening to this that doesn't know what we're
Speaker 1: talking about, you can go back and listen to when
Speaker 1: I had David omen Ah. But he lives in a
Speaker 1: house that's like two or three doors down from where
Speaker 1: Sharon Tate's house was where her and her friends were
Speaker 1: murdered terribly. But just also it's that house seems to
Speaker 1: be he says, kind of a portal, you know of
Speaker 1: flop house for ghosts just come through all the time,
Speaker 1: and it's just all kinds of ghosts there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the whole block has has felt it, and the
Speaker 2: whole block, the whole block has seen a seabring which
Speaker 2: I find, Yeah, which I find, you know, very sad.
Speaker 2: But I think Jay's okay. Now, I think he's you know,
Speaker 2: I think he's doing fine.
Speaker 1: Now do you want to listen to some ghost voices? Sure, okay,
Speaker 1: we have a little segment here. It's time for it.
Speaker 1: EVP or ev plicese. So what I do is I
Speaker 1: go to YouTube and I find evp's electronic voice phenomenal
Speaker 1: and I like to listen to them. Have my guests
Speaker 1: guess what the researcher that posted believes that the ghost
Speaker 1: is saying or what you hear? Just let me know
Speaker 1: what you think. This first one is from It was
Speaker 1: posted by ghost watch Paranormal on YouTube, and it's at
Speaker 1: the Vogue Theater in Holluwah. Do you know the history
Speaker 1: of that place?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Who can you tell us?
Speaker 2: Schools? Yes? Yes, school that burned down and you know
Speaker 2: death happened maybe children and occupants of the school, is
Speaker 2: what I'm told.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, like eighteen hundreds it was a schoolhouse burns
Speaker 1: down just I think like twenty five children or something
Speaker 1: apparently died and their teacher died. And then it became
Speaker 1: this movie theater. And I know at one point I
Speaker 1: don't know if you would know about this, but I
Speaker 1: guess what I was reading online is that in the
Speaker 1: nineties it was a headquarters for a paranormal research society
Speaker 1: and they were doing all kinds of stuff there.
Speaker 2: I don't know, yeah, but that you know, I thought
Speaker 2: that guy was a fraud.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, that was my opinion, got it?
Speaker 2: You know, there was a point where, you know, you
Speaker 2: could make a lot of money from paranormal activity and
Speaker 2: bringing tours in there. You know, it was just when
Speaker 2: it was all beginning and people were all excited and
Speaker 2: there wasn't a paranormal show every time you turn the channel. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I just felt like he was capitalizing on that phenomenon.
Speaker 1: Got it. Well, what I was reading line, I was like,
Speaker 1: what it said? Okay, this website I went to totally dash
Speaker 1: la dot com. They said over four thousand people have
Speaker 1: claimed to see ghosts there, and there was an entire
Speaker 1: audience of over six hundred people that saw a girl
Speaker 1: skipping a ghost girl skipping down the aisles. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's possible. Anyway, let's hear a ghost voice from there,
Speaker 1: and this is from a spirit box, so it's gonna
Speaker 1: be a little bit of staticy kind of noise in
Speaker 1: the background. But what do you think this ghost is saying? Okay,
Speaker 1: it's kind of like a high pitch. Here, I'll play
Speaker 1: it again. Do you hear do you hear anything? It's
Speaker 1: like a nanana.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I could never guess.
Speaker 1: Well, here, i'll give you some options help or here
Speaker 1: I'll give you. I'll give you four options, and it's
Speaker 1: one of these, is what they believe. Okay, is it
Speaker 1: a at least I'm not you. Oh that's shady. That's
Speaker 1: a shady ghost. Is it b I'm Lisa? Is it
Speaker 1: c unleash me? Or d I'll Lisa at first? Maybe
Speaker 1: you know they didn't want to buy a car. They
Speaker 1: thought they'd lease it first. I don't know. Here, I'll
Speaker 1: played again.
Speaker 2: Hmmm, I don't I honestly can't tell. It's so brief
Speaker 2: that I would have to guess. I'm Lisa.
Speaker 1: That's what they believe. Yes, it's Lisa, and I don't
Speaker 1: know who Lisa was. Maybe she was one of those
Speaker 1: poor little students. Or I'm not sure. Here, I'll play
Speaker 1: it again. I'm Lisa. I can kind of hear it,
Speaker 1: I can hear it.
Speaker 2: And then again, though you know was Lisa even a
Speaker 2: name back in the eighteen hundreds.
Speaker 1: Oh interesting, you know, because that isn't that like short
Speaker 1: for Elizabeth?
Speaker 2: And I don't know if they. I don't ever recall,
Speaker 2: you know, seeing anyone on the Rifleman named Lisa. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so you know, but like I said, it could be
Speaker 2: you know, from any time.
Speaker 1: That's true. Yeah, you know. But that that theater, I've
Speaker 1: never been inside of it, but I don't I don't
Speaker 1: know if there's anything going on there right now. But God,
Speaker 1: I'm afraid that movie theater. I hope that movie theaters
Speaker 1: survive all this craziness that we're dealing with, because it's
Speaker 1: so sad to see like these these historic old theaters
Speaker 1: that have not been movie theaters for so long, and
Speaker 1: then you know, now we have like the AMC's and
Speaker 1: all these other giant movie theaters that I'm rooting for it. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: not to bring it down. Okay, here's one more EVP,
Speaker 1: and this EVP for the first time and ghosted Bear
Speaker 1: Rod's Dress Full as History was one that I recorded myself. Okay,
Speaker 1: So I've been doing this thing on Patreon where I've
Speaker 1: been basically doing real light ghost hunting where I just
Speaker 1: go with my dog to different haunted places that I
Speaker 1: can go to. You know, I went to the Hollywood
Speaker 1: Forever Cemetery and this EVP I believe I captured. I
Speaker 1: got at the Old Zoo at Griffith Park and I
Speaker 1: posted the video. I showed it to a couple of
Speaker 1: friends I was in. Have you been to the old
Speaker 1: Zoo at Griffith Park?
Speaker 2: If I have, it's been like thirty five years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like this, you know, cool old used to
Speaker 1: be a zoo and now they still have like the
Speaker 1: polar bear enclosures and you can kind of just walk
Speaker 1: around them a little bit, and there's tons of graffiti
Speaker 1: and stuff all over them. But they say it's haunted
Speaker 1: by animals, by all kinds of crazy things that have
Speaker 1: happened in Griffith Park. And so I was like recording
Speaker 1: and I heard what There was nobody else in there.
Speaker 1: I heard somebody whisper, and this is it. It might
Speaker 1: be hard to hear. It might be an evy police,
Speaker 1: but tell me if you hear anything. All right, it's
Speaker 1: kind of quiet, it's like loud. Okay, it's like a
Speaker 1: god man, wait one word time. I'm trying to prove
Speaker 1: that I'm not insane. Do you hear anything?
Speaker 2: I could hear something and it sounds like activity.
Speaker 1: Also, there were he uman beings not far away, maybe
Speaker 1: thirty yards back, but this was like in a cave.
Speaker 1: Especially if you watch the video, it's like right next
Speaker 1: to me. Okay, wow, I'll give you some options of
Speaker 1: what I think the ghost could say, and I'll let
Speaker 1: you guess which one I think it is.
Speaker 2: Okay, is it a.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I love your podcast, B come here
Speaker 3: see give me your energy, or d come play with
Speaker 3: as here.
Speaker 1: I'll play it again.
Speaker 2: Well, it's got to be. I love your podcast.
Speaker 1: I don't know what it says, to be honest, but
Speaker 1: it sounds like.
Speaker 3: A come over here, come play here.
Speaker 1: Like a come I don't know. I'm not sure. I'm
Speaker 1: just trying to be one of these people on YouTube
Speaker 1: that has EVPs. But maybe one day.
Speaker 2: You know, I remember Do you remember it? Tom Snyder?
Speaker 2: I don't know how old you are, ros and I'm
Speaker 2: not going to ask, but there.
Speaker 1: Was between twenty and seventy five.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, and you may remember a late night show
Speaker 2: that would come on. I guess probably after Johnny Carson
Speaker 2: called The Tomorrow Show with Tom Snyder, okay, and he
Speaker 2: he had a and this is so long ago, and
Speaker 2: he had a gentleman on who was doing EVPs before
Speaker 2: we even had a name for it. And don't I know,
Speaker 2: it was the first time I had ever heard of it.
Speaker 2: And we've got to be talking. Well, let's see, it
Speaker 2: was shortly after Dan Blocker had passed away, very unexpectedly,
Speaker 2: one of the stars of Bonanza died on the operating table,
Speaker 2: and uh, it was very shocking, and he had a
Speaker 2: recording very clear of Dan Blocker. I can't remember what
Speaker 2: he said now, but he identified himself and that was
Speaker 2: the first time I'd ever heard of of anybody trying
Speaker 2: to capture that, and so that always stayed with me.
Speaker 2: So when people started doing it, I mean, I'm really
Speaker 2: a believer. Uh you know, there are you know, and
Speaker 2: and that story with mister Blocker would totally make sense
Speaker 2: to me. He died tragically before his time. He wasn't
Speaker 2: ready to go, just like Ozzy, just like honest abe,
Speaker 2: they still had things they wanted to accomplish. And that
Speaker 2: is a strong reason or you know, here's my theory.
Speaker 2: Spirits were once human. There are animal spirits, but spirits
Speaker 2: were once human and they stick around for very human reasons.
Speaker 2: They weren't ready, they were murdered and it was written
Speaker 2: off as something else, or it was never solved, and
Speaker 2: they want justice or the true truth to come out,
Speaker 2: you know. They Sometimes they don't stay forever, but there's
Speaker 2: an event a child's wedding, that they want to be there.
Speaker 2: And how many people say, oh, I felt my dad
Speaker 2: was there, Well, he was, you know, and so sometimes
Speaker 2: it can be a really beautiful thing. Often, very often
Speaker 2: the spirits of children are seen and heard because they
Speaker 2: died before death was really explained to them, and they
Speaker 2: can see you. They don't realize they're supposed to go
Speaker 2: on somewhere and they can see you and they can
Speaker 2: hear you, and they don't really understand that you can't
Speaker 2: always see and hear them, and so they're just being playful.
Speaker 1: Now, do you think that there are instances where ghosts
Speaker 1: don't want to like they're just enjoying being a ghost
Speaker 1: and they wanted to stick around.
Speaker 2: Yes, Yes, I think there's some that just they've stayed
Speaker 2: so long that they have no interest in moving forward.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they might be it's probably because they're afraid
Speaker 1: or they you know that it's they don't know what
Speaker 1: what would happen, you know.
Speaker 2: Or the place they haunt has become home to them
Speaker 2: and they're comfortable there. They're comfortable with the people that
Speaker 2: live there.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, Laurie, that's about it. There's You're somebody that I
Speaker 1: hope that you'll come back sometime because there are so
Speaker 1: many things to talk to you about with. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know so many incredible things, which is why you've
Speaker 1: written so many books. Can you tell people about you know,
Speaker 1: your books and where to find them and all that stuff.
Speaker 2: Well? Sure. The book that led you to me is
Speaker 2: called Hollywood Haunted, and it was in print for nineteen
Speaker 2: years and is now available as an e book on Amazon.
Speaker 2: And I've got a really fun book called Dish Hollywood,
Speaker 2: which is scandals and mysteries with a recipe attached to
Speaker 2: each one.
Speaker 1: Fun.
Speaker 2: And my current book, which just came out a few
Speaker 2: months ago, is called TV Dinners. You know, my husband,
Speaker 2: as I mentioned, was a child star of the fifties
Speaker 2: and sixties, and so I gathered forty of his fabulous
Speaker 2: friends together to tell their stories and what it was
Speaker 2: like to be a working kid in Hollywood during the
Speaker 2: golden age of television and what a ate for dinner?
Speaker 1: Ah, that was fun. Thank you Lrie Jacobson. I love that.
Speaker 1: And if you want to hear us talking about the
Speaker 1: Haunting of Ozzie Nelson, the spooky haunted house here in
Speaker 1: Hollywood that'll be up for sale, I'm not sure you
Speaker 1: can listen to us talking on patreon dot com slash
Speaker 1: Ross dressful as and this week you can also see
Speaker 1: the tour of my Funky Fun living Room and of
Speaker 1: course all of the other things that have been posted
Speaker 1: the past like three months or so. Thank you for
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