1 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:11,240 Speaker 1: What's that at the foot of my bed. It's spooky. 2 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:12,039 Speaker 2: I'm jooky. 3 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it's dead. It's coming this way. 4 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:18,640 Speaker 3: Wait a minute, I go, said. 5 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 2: Tyrone's dressed fans. 6 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: Hey boo, it's me and Roz. Today we are talking 7 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 1: all about Hollywood ghosts, pretty much my favorite topic in 8 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:40,240 Speaker 1: the entire world, and we'll be talking with Laurie Jacobson 9 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 1: and I cannot wait to share that with you. But 10 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 1: you know what I haven't done in a while, and 11 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:48,519 Speaker 1: I'm so sorry about this, is I haven't been reading 12 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 1: a ton of listener stories that have been submitted to 13 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 1: me via five star ratings on Apple Podcasts. And I 14 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 1: was checking the five star ratings and the reviews and 15 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 1: you guys are so nice and I really appreciate that 16 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:08,679 Speaker 1: and it really helps out the show. So keep them coming. 17 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 1: And there was a ghost story in there from Cass 18 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 1: the Lar and this spooky Cass Rights. When I was younger, 19 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 1: I absolutely hated going to sleep because I would always 20 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 1: be woken up by the strangest things in the middle 21 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 1: of the night. Sometimes there would be a shadow figure 22 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: sitting on a chair in the corner of my room 23 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 1: and if it would catch me staring, it would begin 24 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 1: to approach me really slowly. Other times I would become 25 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 1: paralyzed and see faces and hands start to reach out 26 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 1: of the walls trying to grab me. During this time, 27 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 1: I was still sharing a room with my parents, so 28 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 1: whenever I would start to see things, I would try 29 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 1: and scream out to them, but I never could. The 30 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 1: only thing that would keep these shadows away was by praying, 31 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:06,919 Speaker 1: and each time that I prayed, a pair of soft 32 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 1: blue slash white hands would wrap around me and start 33 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 1: to pray as well. I could hear whatever it was 34 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 1: speak in a different language, but I remember thinking it 35 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 1: sounded so pretty. It was the only thing that could 36 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:23,799 Speaker 1: break me out of my paralysis and let me run 37 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 1: to my parents. Years later, when we finally moved out, 38 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 1: they began to remodel the floorings of my room. As 39 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 1: they stripped away the carpet, it was discovered that under 40 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 1: my bed was a cemented safe built in the floor 41 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 1: that we never knew about. People would come and see 42 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:49,239 Speaker 1: if they could open the safe, but no one ever could. 43 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: In the end, it was just decided to put wood 44 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 1: flooring over the safe and leave it as is. I 45 00:02:56,600 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 1: haven't seen that shadow figure since then, what is in 46 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:04,919 Speaker 1: the safe? What is in the safe? Thank you Casa 47 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 1: Belar so much for sending that review. I was also 48 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 1: thinking when they mentioned the blue slash white hands that 49 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:16,919 Speaker 1: would pray with you. Now I'm not a big prayer necessarily, 50 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 1: but I bought these praying hands at a thrift store. 51 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 1: It's like they're blue and white, kind of tinted, and 52 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:32,360 Speaker 1: they've got they're like three D like praying hands that 53 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 1: are like a wal Art thing. And I went out 54 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 1: and I bought some long fingernails and I painted them 55 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 1: pink and I glued those right on those little fingers 56 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 1: as they're praying, and they're gorgeous, and they're in my home. 57 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: And that reminds me because I'm gonna do maybe two 58 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 1: videos the next few weeks of me giving a little 59 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 1: tour of the weird things like that that I have 60 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 1: in my home, and so on Patreon this week you 61 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:06,119 Speaker 1: will see a little tour of my living room and 62 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 1: my Christmas tree and all the weird, funky things that 63 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 1: I have in my home. I have a chair that's 64 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:16,919 Speaker 1: shaped like a hand. I have a coffee table that 65 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 1: is shaped like two paper mache seals that came complete 66 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: with fishing line whiskers. I don't know. I found it 67 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: out of flea market. I have weird stuff and it's 68 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:30,719 Speaker 1: fun and I'd love to show you. So go to 69 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 1: patreon dot com slash Rose Dress Falaz. So today Laurie Jacobson. 70 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: I am so happy to talk to her. So I've 71 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 1: known about Lori Jacobson for a while now because since 72 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:50,840 Speaker 1: as long as I can remember, I have always watched 73 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 1: TV shows, documentaries about spooky Hollywood history, scandalous Hollywood history, 74 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:01,919 Speaker 1: and Luri is one of those people that if you 75 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 1: want someone that's got the juicyt about some kind of 76 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 1: ghost in an old movie studio, you call Lori Jacobson. 77 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 1: She wrote a book in the nineties called Hollywood Haunted, 78 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: and she just knows her stuff. I mean, she's a historian. 79 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 1: And you know, anytime I have on a historian or 80 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 1: a paranormal investigator or somebody that has had years and 81 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:36,159 Speaker 1: years of I mean decades of experience and has dedicated 82 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 1: their lives to these things, it's kind of it's almost 83 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 1: like harder to do like a hour long podcast with 84 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: them because there's just so much to talk about. So 85 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:50,040 Speaker 1: I one hundred percent am looking forward to having her 86 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:53,160 Speaker 1: come back because we just hit the tip of the iceberg, 87 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 1: and also we had a little bit of a time constraint, 88 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 1: so we only talked about a couple of things. But 89 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 1: she's a great story and she brought it some of 90 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:04,279 Speaker 1: the things that we talk about on the show. For reference. 91 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 1: If you're new around here, welcome. We did reference some 92 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 1: old episodes. David Omen which was early on in the podcast. 93 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:16,479 Speaker 1: It's still posted. He's the man that lives in the 94 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:21,600 Speaker 1: incredibly haunted house that is near the site of the 95 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:29,600 Speaker 1: Manson murders, but it's also just incredibly haunted by who 96 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 1: knows how many ghosts that just come in and out 97 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:35,480 Speaker 1: of that house. They say it's a portal to the 98 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:39,359 Speaker 1: other side. It's crazy. And then we also reference my 99 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 1: friend Justin Martindale, who is a comedian and works at 100 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: the Comedy Store, and so we talk about the Comedy 101 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: Store ghosts, and we referenced when she was on Unsolved Mysteries, 102 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:55,920 Speaker 1: like the old Unsolved Mysteries with Robert Stack and they 103 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 1: did an episode at the Comedy Store and I actually 104 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:02,840 Speaker 1: found it on Amazon Prime. It was just streaming, So, 105 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 1: I when's the last time you watched that show? Have 106 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 1: you ever watched that show? It is so fun, and 107 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 1: you know, I like to watch it. You know, I 108 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 1: have like old paranormal books, and I like to watch 109 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 1: these old paranormal shows. But sometimes I like, here's what 110 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 1: I do. I watch those things and then I look up, 111 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 1: like what has happened since then? Because you know, you 112 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 1: can't just like you gotta update your facts at times. 113 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 1: So I like to go back and watch these old, 114 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 1: you know, eighties early nineties Unsolved mystery episodes and they're 115 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 1: so fun. They've got great re enactments. And then on 116 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 1: page Round this week, my bonus clip with her is 117 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 1: we talk about the Haunting of Ozzie Nelson. We talked 118 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 1: about this earlier this year, maybe in the springtime, maybe 119 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 1: early pandemic time. We talked about the actor Christopher Maloney 120 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 1: is selling his house and it's haunted and it used 121 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 1: to belong to Ozzie and Harriet Nelson, who the two 122 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 1: of them. You know, they had this real famous TV 123 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 1: show back in like fifties, sixties, a clean cut family 124 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 1: kind of leave it to be real, almost not gonna lie. 125 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 1: I've never seen it. Don't know much about that, but 126 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 1: I do know that he's a famous ghost here in 127 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 1: Hollywood and she knows all the details about it, and 128 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 1: so we get into that and that is on my 129 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 1: second tier on Patreon, Patreon dot com slash ras dress Felz. 130 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 1: All right, let's talk some Hollywood ghosts with Lori Jacobson 131 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 1: on with the show. Hello, Lorii, how are you? 132 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 2: I am great, Roz, how are you doing? 133 00:08:56,440 --> 00:09:00,120 Speaker 1: I am so good? And I was just talking with 134 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 1: my producer Land. We're like starstruck talking to you because 135 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 1: both of us like love Hollywood history so much. I mean, 136 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 1: we're both here in Hollywood and we loved the TV 137 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 1: show Ease Mysteries and Scandals, which you're a part of. 138 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 1: You're in that incredible Sunset Strip documentary, which I think 139 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 1: is so beautiful, and. 140 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 2: Yes, I loved that. I love the you know, you're 141 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:30,960 Speaker 2: in something you never know how it's going to be. 142 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 2: But I just thought it came out so great. 143 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 1: It was so wonderful, and you just have like the 144 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:40,440 Speaker 1: best insight, you know, all the juicy and the spooky. 145 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 1: And that's the part of Hollywood that I'm always so into. 146 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 2: Well that's you know, you can't make this stuff up. 147 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:52,439 Speaker 2: You were any better than what really. 148 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:57,679 Speaker 1: Happened exactly, and there's so many, just like only in Hollywood, 149 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 1: you know. Like I was watching the Unsolved Mysteries that 150 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: you were on. I was rewatching it because I was like, 151 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:07,320 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go talk to Laurie, and I need to 152 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:09,839 Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about here, because I know I've 153 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 1: seen that. It's been years since I saw that original 154 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: and we're talking the original Unsolved Mysteries, not the one 155 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 1: on Netflix, which is great, but the original Robert Stack 156 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 1: Unsolved Mysteries. They did one about the Comedy Store, and 157 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 1: I had my friend Justin on Justin Martindale, who's a 158 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 1: regular at the Comedy Store, and we talked about that episode, 159 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 1: but it had been kind of like a couple of 160 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 1: years since we'd seen it. So I watched it last 161 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 1: night and you were a waitress there. 162 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:40,560 Speaker 2: Yes, I was, Yes, I was doing. I was in 163 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 2: a fantastic comedy improv workshop for about seven years and 164 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 2: it was run by a wonderful character actor named Harvey 165 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:59,559 Speaker 2: Lebeck who played Eric von Zipper and all the Beach 166 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 2: movies and you'd know him if you saw them. And 167 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 2: you know, my classmates were Robin Williams and John Ritter 168 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 2: and John Lareauquette and it was an amazing time and 169 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 2: a fantastic experience. And so, you know, the Comedy Store 170 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 2: was the perfect place for me to work a side 171 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 2: job and learn more about comedy. Little did I expect 172 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 2: to learn more about ghosts. 173 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 1: What era was this? 174 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 2: I worked there in nineteen eighty one and into nineteen 175 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 2: eighty two. 176 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 1: Wow, So that was like a real big time at 177 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: the Comedy Store. 178 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 2: You know, it was absolutely the Golden Age. I mean, 179 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 2: the list of people that performed their nightly you know 180 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 2: are now just I mean, you know it was Seinfeld 181 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 2: and Leno and Arsenio Hall and Gary Shandling and Sondra 182 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:18,320 Speaker 2: Bernhard and just I really I could just go on 183 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 2: and on with famous names and not all of them 184 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 2: were famous yet. And also during that time, Richard Pryor 185 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 2: was there every night preparing for his documentary Live on 186 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 2: the Sunset Strips, and he brought in the people that 187 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 2: came in to see him nightly, you know, Mick Jagger, 188 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 2: Bette Midler, Sugar Ray, Leonard, John McEnroe. It really it 189 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:51,719 Speaker 2: ran that Peter o'tool. That was my most thrilling night. 190 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:55,960 Speaker 1: It's so cool to hear you talk about this because 191 00:12:57,559 --> 00:12:59,200 Speaker 1: you know, I think my goal is to be you 192 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 1: because they say that there's like a second comedy boom 193 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:07,319 Speaker 1: that's happened the past, you know, over the past ten 194 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 1: years or so. And I my last job was being 195 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:17,320 Speaker 1: a door person at the Improv, and so I feel 196 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 1: like I got to you know, a lot of people 197 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 1: that maybe in like twenty years or so, I'll be 198 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 1: like these legends I got to know, you know, before 199 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 1: they were you know, big deals. But that place is 200 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 1: not nearly as haunted as the Comedy Store. 201 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 3: No. 202 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:36,200 Speaker 2: I went to the Improv quite a bit because back 203 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 2: in the eighties they had a bar and a room 204 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 2: you could hang out in, and the Comedy Store did 205 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 2: not have that. At that time. You were either in 206 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 2: the room watching performers or waiting outside to get in. 207 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 2: It's only fairly recently that they added a bar outside 208 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 2: where you could hang out. So we often hung at 209 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 2: the Improv. And I never heard one ghost story about 210 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 2: that place. 211 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:07,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very interesting because once I work there, I started, 212 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 1: you know, I kind of get my vibes from ghosts, 213 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 1: and I was getting slight vibes, you know, like not 214 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:17,720 Speaker 1: not full on there's a ghost here, but just like 215 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 1: what's going on. I'm feeling something. And then I talked 216 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 1: to more people and I actually did an episode about 217 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 1: it on this podcast as well with the manager, the 218 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 1: general manager there, and she's had all these experiences. So 219 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 1: it's like it's like there's ghosts there, but they're just 220 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 1: sort of like, I don't I don't know how that works, 221 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 1: but the ghosts of the Emprevor are just they're maybe 222 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: more shy there. They're not that interested in like being ghosts. 223 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 1: They're like, yeah, it's it's like a part time job, 224 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 1: that's what it is there. 225 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 2: Well, you know, there is a really interesting history there originally, 226 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 2: well back in the sixties it was a folk club 227 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 2: a group, yes, the ash Grove, thank you. I couldn't 228 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 2: think of it, the ash Grove. And then you know 229 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 2: there's some history of a fire. 230 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 1: Yes, well I believe that fire took place around that 231 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 1: time of the Comedy Strike and the Comedy Store and 232 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 1: all this. There's that book I'm Dying up here, which 233 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 1: is a lot about the seventies comedy that whole comedy 234 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 1: boom in that era. I believe that's when the fire 235 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 1: took place. 236 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 2: I don't know, you know it it doesn't have to 237 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 2: be the building or the history of the building. It 238 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 2: can be you know, a ghost can be attached to 239 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 2: that property from you know, something that happened one hundred 240 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 2: years ago. 241 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 1: Right yeah, or I mean there's so many ways. It's 242 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 1: like one could could come back, or it could be 243 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 1: somebody that used to perform there all the time and 244 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 1: they feel very connected to that place. I feel like 245 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 1: you hear that a lot in Hollywood. You hear about 246 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 1: these celebrity ghosts that just love Like Marilyn Monroe, She's 247 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 1: in seventy five places. You know, she loved hanging out 248 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 1: at this pool at the Roosevelt. You see her there. 249 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 1: She loved hanging out at this hotel. Like she's she's 250 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 1: all over the place, And I don't know, maybe it's 251 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 1: because she just felt a connection to those places. I'm 252 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 1: not really sure. 253 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 2: Part of it is that, and part of it, I 254 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 2: think is her enormous popularity. You know, people don't stop 255 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 2: thinking about her, Like remember all the Elvis sightings that happened, Yeah, 256 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 2: after Elvis died. You know, you've got when you've got 257 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 2: millions of people thinking about you, it is a very 258 00:16:54,160 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 2: strong pull, and they may not necessarily want to continue 259 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:07,400 Speaker 2: hanging out around here, right when millions of when millions 260 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 2: of people wish they could see you be near, you 261 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 2: go to places you went to and they're thinking of you. 262 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:19,680 Speaker 2: It's you can be held here against your will. Literally. 263 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's sad. 264 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:22,959 Speaker 2: It is. 265 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:26,359 Speaker 1: And like you know, even with like Elvis, it's like 266 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 1: he'll appear in a piece of toast or something. According 267 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 1: to some people, he's like, just let me sleep. God. Well, 268 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:38,680 Speaker 1: well let's go back to the comedy store for a second. 269 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 2: Okay, the. 270 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 1: So the history. Can you tell us the history from? 271 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:48,920 Speaker 1: I want to? Can I hear it from like world 272 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 1: renowned Hollywood historian Lorie Jacobson. 273 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 2: Absolutely. Well. What I loved about it was that it 274 00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 2: used to be Zero's Nightclub, which was the most popular, 275 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:10,879 Speaker 2: most glamorous club during Hollywood's Golden Age, and you know, 276 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:15,679 Speaker 2: located on the heart of the Sunset Strip, walking distance 277 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 2: to the Trocadero and the Macambo, so that really that 278 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:26,160 Speaker 2: two block area was just so star studed. But Zero's 279 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 2: was the one. And when a club is that popular 280 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:38,399 Speaker 2: and making that much money, the mob often gets very 281 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:44,400 Speaker 2: interested and wants some of that money. So there were 282 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:51,479 Speaker 2: some rather infamous types that hung out there. Mickey Kohne 283 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 2: was a La gangster known as the King of the 284 00:18:57,080 --> 00:19:02,200 Speaker 2: Sunset Strip. He had a habit dash on the strip 285 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:08,919 Speaker 2: just beyond what is now Book Soup right where you 286 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 2: know where I mean, right where that little uh caddy 287 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:19,399 Speaker 2: caddy corner from what used to be Tower Records, and 288 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:26,880 Speaker 2: that was merely a front for his nefarious doings. There 289 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 2: was actually a shootout there where they you know, a 290 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 2: drive by shooting, where they riddled his store with a 291 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 2: Tommy gun. But fortunately Nicky was in the bathroom at 292 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:44,440 Speaker 2: the time and missed all the excitement. But he what 293 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:48,399 Speaker 2: he did was to send And this story was told 294 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 2: to me by the producer George Schlaughter, who produced laugh In. 295 00:19:55,800 --> 00:20:02,880 Speaker 2: George booked the Acts at Syra Rows in the early fifties, 296 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 2: and he said once a week they would get a 297 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 2: hat box from Mickey Cohne's habitatarie with instructions to simply 298 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:17,959 Speaker 2: fill this with money and send it back. So the 299 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 2: cops saw hat boxes going in and out of the store, 300 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:28,399 Speaker 2: and in and out of Cohen's store. But you know, 301 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:31,720 Speaker 2: they could never prove anything unless they stopped the deliveries, 302 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:36,359 Speaker 2: which they I guess legally they could not do. So 303 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 2: that's how Mickey got his money out of the store. 304 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:49,879 Speaker 2: But men in wide lapel pinstripe suits were often seen 305 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 2: at the comedy store, going in and out of the offices. 306 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 2: And at one point I was giving an interview there 307 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 2: about the go hosts of the store, and I had 308 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:09,239 Speaker 2: a parapsychologist, a very renowned parapsychologist with me, and he 309 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 2: was watching these men watch us give the interview. You know, 310 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:19,159 Speaker 2: there were daytime employees there walking through and he thought 311 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 2: nothing of it, but then they just vaporized in front 312 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 2: of him, and he realized that they were standing where 313 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 2: a booth was, and you can't stand in a booth. 314 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:41,200 Speaker 2: And then he realized they were wearing those suits and 315 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 2: just watching with curiosity as I talked about them, couldn't 316 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 2: see them. 317 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 1: That's so interesting, Yeah, because that's what I've heard, even 318 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 1: from my friend Justin that was on the show. He 319 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:57,400 Speaker 1: told me that the person that he saw seemed kind 320 00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 1: of nineteen forties, the hat on in a suit, and 321 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:04,880 Speaker 1: it seems to be there's a number of those kinds 322 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 1: of ghosts there. 323 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 2: Yes, we would hear, you know, you know, they obviously 324 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,160 Speaker 2: when there are you know, when the place is filled 325 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 2: with two hundred people, you don't see anything and you 326 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 2: can't feel the energy. But after two o'clock, when the 327 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:25,120 Speaker 2: club closed and we were cleaning up, is when all 328 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 2: of the stuff happened. And we would hear women talking 329 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 2: in the bathroom in the ladies room after the club 330 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 2: was closed, using Forty's lingo that that heel two times me, 331 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 2: you know, and we'd go in to tell them, hey, sorry, 332 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 2: the club is closed. Then there wouldn't be anyone in there. 333 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 2: But I loved sometimes these very mysterious things happened, Like 334 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:55,639 Speaker 2: we would we would clean up a room and we 335 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,920 Speaker 2: would go back in and a spotlight would be shining 336 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 2: on the peace piano and on top of the piano 337 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:10,200 Speaker 2: were two Martini glasses that the club didn't have. It 338 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:12,920 Speaker 2: was from a different style, and they and they would 339 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:17,119 Speaker 2: be you know, just just really I loved that. I 340 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:20,359 Speaker 2: just you know, I'm a Hollywood historian, and I felt 341 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 2: like the history was really coming alive, you know, while 342 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 2: I was there. And and and they were critics as well. 343 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 2: Sam Kinnison was at the club during that time, and 344 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 2: they hated him. They hated his act. He screamed a lot. 345 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean it's not very forties fifties style. 346 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 2: No, And they just hated it. And whenever he would 347 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:02,119 Speaker 2: come on, you know, the sound would go out or 348 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 2: the lights would go out. They did whatever they could 349 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 2: do to prevent him from going on. And one night 350 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,920 Speaker 2: he was on in the original room, which is the 351 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 2: smaller room, and some people were sitting in the main 352 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 2: room next door and they heard this buzzing bozoom bazoom bosom, 353 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,920 Speaker 2: and they thought, what the hell is that noise? And 354 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:41,159 Speaker 2: it slowed down and they could hear people moaning, it's him, 355 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 2: it's him, and just you know, complaining. At one time, 356 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 2: Sam challenged them, you know, if you're really here, come out, 357 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:56,360 Speaker 2: and like ashtrays flew across the room and smashed against 358 00:24:56,400 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 2: the wall behind him. 359 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 1: So when you started working there, were you Were you 360 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 1: a believer in ghosts? Were you interested in ghosts? 361 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 3: Oh? 362 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know. I was always that kid at camp 363 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 2: around the campfire that wanted to hear the spooky stories. 364 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:22,359 Speaker 2: And I read a lot of books and I was 365 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 2: always fascinated, you know, just I mean, and then you know, 366 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 2: I mean, heck, Abraham Lincoln is you know, appearing at 367 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,399 Speaker 2: the White House and You've got all these people saying 368 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 2: they saw him. He was captured in a photo I 369 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 2: think by Margaret bork White, a very famous photographer. You know. 370 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 2: So I was always sure that they existed, but I 371 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 2: didn't know exactly what held them here or why they 372 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 2: were around until I really dove into it all. 373 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 1: So do you have a pretty good idea, like do 374 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 1: you do you have a belief of, for example, why 375 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,440 Speaker 1: Hollywood is so haunted. 376 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 2: Well, very dramatic things happened in Hollywood. You've got a 377 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 2: whole community of people that don't want to be forgotten, 378 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 2: and that kind of makes sense. But you've you've also 379 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:41,200 Speaker 2: got unsolved murders, suicides, people that died tragically before their time, 380 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:47,400 Speaker 2: and all of all of that is great fodder for ghosts. 381 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, I always think it's a lot of unsolved or 382 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:55,880 Speaker 1: a lot of unfinished business here in Hollywood. A lot 383 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 1: of people came here for a reason. They wanted to 384 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:02,919 Speaker 1: achieve that, and then they died before they achieved that, 385 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,400 Speaker 1: and now they're still they still have that goal, which 386 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 1: kind of keeps them around. I think that's I think 387 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,960 Speaker 1: that might be one of the reasons. And then also 388 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:15,159 Speaker 1: they not only do they want to be remembered. But 389 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,720 Speaker 1: they're people that like to be seen, they like to perform. 390 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 1: You know, not all ghosts, but you know a lot 391 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 1: of the famous people ghosts or the aspiring famous people goes. 392 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:29,680 Speaker 2: Yes, I agree. 393 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:37,360 Speaker 1: So do you have like a favorite Hollywood haunted hot spot? 394 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:48,399 Speaker 2: Well, one one story that I covered with the aforementioned parapsychologist. 395 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,640 Speaker 2: His name is Barry Tech. 396 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:55,399 Speaker 1: Oh, Corey f Now that's another person that was in 397 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 1: so many documentaries that I watched, like throughout the nineties 398 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 1: and two thousands. I need to have him off. 399 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:09,880 Speaker 2: Yes, Yes, he's fascinating. And the most outstanding case that 400 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:20,160 Speaker 2: he ever worked on was in the Hollywood Hills near 401 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:24,040 Speaker 2: Beechwood Canyon, which is also really haunted, and I lived 402 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 2: in the I lived in that canyon for decades and 403 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 2: loved it. But this one particular house had so so 404 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 2: much activity it was just outrageous. He'd never seen anything 405 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 2: like it. So a friend of his had gone to 406 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 2: a party there and told Barry, you have got to go, 407 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 2: and Barry made arrangements to go. The man who was 408 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 2: living there was preparing to move out. He had lived 409 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 2: there seven years and the activity had escalated so much 410 00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 2: during those seven years that he could didn't take it anymore. So, 411 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 2: you know, Barry is there, and several other people are there, 412 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 2: and like a woman is there, and she said something 413 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 2: that apparently the spirit did not like, and a chair 414 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,840 Speaker 2: moved across the floor pinned her to a wall. A 415 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 2: tea kettle came from out of the kitchen, floating in 416 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 2: the air and dumped water all over her. A man, 417 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:35,920 Speaker 2: a man started laughing at that, and a shoe flew 418 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,480 Speaker 2: from around the corner and hit him in the head. 419 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:39,960 Speaker 1: Wow. 420 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 2: A fire broke out in the waste in a waste 421 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:51,880 Speaker 2: basket in the bathroom. Books were flying out of shelves 422 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 2: across the room. At one point, they oh, and forget 423 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:03,280 Speaker 2: about the electron tricity and the doors, you know, doors 424 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:12,479 Speaker 2: opening and closing, locking behind you. Barry brought a film 425 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:17,120 Speaker 2: crew in there at one point, and every time they 426 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:22,000 Speaker 2: plugged their equipment into the wall, that particular outlet would fail. 427 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 2: All the others would be working. But you know, it 428 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:29,120 Speaker 2: wouldn't allow it wouldn't allow these people to use the 429 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 2: electricity in the house. The reporter, Connie Fox was her name, 430 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,400 Speaker 2: just was just just thought, oh that all these things 431 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 2: are on strings flying you've got this all rigged. And 432 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:52,880 Speaker 2: with that in an enormous atlas lifted off a stand 433 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:58,959 Speaker 2: open and was flapping its its pages like a bird 434 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 2: and chased her out of the house down a Z 435 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:10,080 Speaker 2: shaped staircase as she's screaming the whole time, and the 436 00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:14,960 Speaker 2: book is making the turns and staying on her tail. 437 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,480 Speaker 2: I mean, Barry really had never seen anything like this 438 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 2: in his life. They brought in a priest. They brought 439 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 2: in a priest to bless the house, and the moment 440 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 2: he entered, his hat apported to an inaccessible area of 441 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:37,640 Speaker 2: the roof, and when he got out his holy water, 442 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:39,600 Speaker 2: the bottle exploded. 443 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:44,320 Speaker 1: Oh my god, So you know, yeah it was you know. 444 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 2: A cook was in the kitchen trying to prepare food 445 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:59,280 Speaker 2: for all these guests, and he took a butcher knife 446 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:04,320 Speaker 2: to cut open a head of cabbage, and the cabbage 447 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,280 Speaker 2: with the knife in it chased him out of the house. 448 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 2: So the man who on the house moved out couldn't 449 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:17,760 Speaker 2: take it. And before before the new owner moved in, 450 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:22,120 Speaker 2: Barry asked if he could stay there by himself, and 451 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:29,080 Speaker 2: he stayed there for nine days and nights, and actually 452 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 2: many of his experiences during those nine days are used 453 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,240 Speaker 2: in the film Poultergeist. 454 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:41,440 Speaker 1: Well, definitely the Poltergeist. 455 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,360 Speaker 2: Yes, well, you know, and in he would in bed 456 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:50,840 Speaker 2: one night a lady joined him in bed and spooned him, 457 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:57,760 Speaker 2: and he could smell her perfume. He would prepare a 458 00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:01,800 Speaker 2: drink for himself, a soft during and turned back to 459 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:06,440 Speaker 2: shut the refrigerator, and the drink was gone, And then 460 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 2: he found it two days later behind some locked doors 461 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:16,120 Speaker 2: in another room. He met the gentleman who lived next door, 462 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:21,600 Speaker 2: who was also experiencing all these things in his house, 463 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:27,880 Speaker 2: and he led Barry to a secret compartment in his 464 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:33,080 Speaker 2: house next door. Now these houses were built in nineteen 465 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:37,640 Speaker 2: twenty four. But in this secret compartment it led to 466 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:42,960 Speaker 2: a series of tunnels that led up the hill. And 467 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:48,080 Speaker 2: in the tunnel they found a grave of a woman 468 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:55,960 Speaker 2: and it was had the date nineteen twenty two on 469 00:33:56,040 --> 00:34:03,120 Speaker 2: it and a first So she came before the house. 470 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:08,280 Speaker 2: Now is she the woman Barry feels in the house. 471 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 2: So we made guesses. There were often tunnels during prohibition, 472 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:21,239 Speaker 2: where you know, people kept stills and things. But there 473 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:28,960 Speaker 2: was also a nearby monastery in the hills, and people 474 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:34,759 Speaker 2: have seen lines of monks chanting and walking up the 475 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:39,319 Speaker 2: hills to the monastery, and you know, we wondered if 476 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:44,160 Speaker 2: one of the monks, you know, knocked this woman up 477 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,719 Speaker 2: and did away with her. I mean, we you know, 478 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:52,320 Speaker 2: we just don't know. So now, years and years later, 479 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:57,840 Speaker 2: the house had been completely renovated, and Barry took me there, 480 00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:03,719 Speaker 2: and the men who owned it was in the women's 481 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:13,319 Speaker 2: clothing business, and he had posters of models modeling the 482 00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:17,919 Speaker 2: clothing that he sold in all of the bedrooms, and 483 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:25,400 Speaker 2: all these male parapsychologists are running around with their equipment, 484 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,760 Speaker 2: you know, on the outside of the house, I'm registering 485 00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,520 Speaker 2: this and that. But me, I'm walking through the house 486 00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:38,719 Speaker 2: by myself, and I feel a spirit intensely as I'm 487 00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:42,320 Speaker 2: coming up the stairs and in the area in front 488 00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,440 Speaker 2: of the stairs. But every time I go into a 489 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:49,200 Speaker 2: bedroom where there's a picture of a woman, I feel nothing. 490 00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,480 Speaker 2: So I go into the only room where there is 491 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:57,400 Speaker 2: no picture of a woman, and I am overwhelmed with 492 00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,400 Speaker 2: the feeling of a spear it and I and I 493 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:06,440 Speaker 2: call all the males parapsychologists. They all come running up 494 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:14,400 Speaker 2: with their equipment and suddenly the chandelier starts oscillating, you know, 495 00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:18,319 Speaker 2: in a circle. It wasn't swinging back and forth like 496 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:24,080 Speaker 2: somebody knocked it. It was moving in a circular way 497 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:28,839 Speaker 2: that that we could not have done. And then we 498 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:39,760 Speaker 2: saw uh youah, light, globes of light that were showing 499 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:45,279 Speaker 2: up in photos that everyone was taking. And I suggested 500 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:50,120 Speaker 2: that they bring a photo of one of these women 501 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:54,879 Speaker 2: into the room room and oh, she did not think 502 00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,719 Speaker 2: that was funny. The ghost of this woman did not 503 00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:02,600 Speaker 2: think that was funny. And all at activity ceased and 504 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:08,400 Speaker 2: we all felt like we had made a mistake. 505 00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:10,239 Speaker 1: So she was. 506 00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:14,560 Speaker 2: Very angry about other women being present. However, I was 507 00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:18,239 Speaker 2: the only woman there, and she did reveal herself to me. 508 00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,440 Speaker 1: Did the guy that had moved in the second owner 509 00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:26,120 Speaker 1: did he did he figure that one out? Did he? Like? 510 00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,360 Speaker 1: How did he know that? With the photos of the women? 511 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:35,799 Speaker 2: I think he just had them there because you know, 512 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:39,480 Speaker 2: he had you know, because they were his product that 513 00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:40,360 Speaker 2: he was selling. 514 00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:46,080 Speaker 1: But he was having crazy experiences as well. Yes, yes, 515 00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:49,040 Speaker 1: and you know, like there might even be more than 516 00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:53,319 Speaker 1: just the woman. I mean with like holy water exploding 517 00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,799 Speaker 1: and that sounds like a lot of things going on there. 518 00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:02,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was the most remarkable case that Barry had 519 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,279 Speaker 2: ever worked on, so that that was pretty crazy time. 520 00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:09,919 Speaker 1: Also, I always think about, you know, they say that 521 00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:16,240 Speaker 1: Benedict Canyon is cursed or you know, has a long 522 00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:23,359 Speaker 1: history of crazy, bad things happening and the spiritual aftermath. 523 00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,240 Speaker 1: Have you ever heard of do you know David Omen 524 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:26,879 Speaker 1: or the Omen House? Have you ever? 525 00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:32,080 Speaker 2: Yes? 526 00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:38,960 Speaker 1: Yes, I've been there a couple of times. And he 527 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:43,440 Speaker 1: came on this podcast and that is an interesting property. 528 00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:47,200 Speaker 1: Have you ever been there? Yes, I have did anything. 529 00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:51,520 Speaker 2: Yes, And I went. I went with Barry. Yeah, and 530 00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,840 Speaker 2: I and I went with my husband who by the 531 00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:58,680 Speaker 2: it was Timmy on Lassie. 532 00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:02,200 Speaker 1: Oh yes, those reading that online, Oh my god, that's amazing. 533 00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:06,520 Speaker 2: I know. So he gets dragged to these crazy you 534 00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:10,520 Speaker 2: know places that I go to, and he got such 535 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:18,160 Speaker 2: a tremendous headache there he couldn't be inside. Same with Barry. 536 00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:23,080 Speaker 2: Barry was actually hospitalized after his last visit there and 537 00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:29,759 Speaker 2: vowed never to return. I didn't have that experience. I 538 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:33,560 Speaker 2: felt when I feel the presence of a ghost, I 539 00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:39,440 Speaker 2: feel tremendous pressure on my head like I'm underwater. And 540 00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:45,960 Speaker 2: I did feel that there. And I was with Barry 541 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:50,279 Speaker 2: one day there and we were holding a compass and 542 00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:55,880 Speaker 2: we could not get a reading. It spun around, like 543 00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:02,880 Speaker 2: you know, it spun It just kept spinning around. We couldn't, 544 00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:05,359 Speaker 2: you know. And I said to Barry, what the hell 545 00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,840 Speaker 2: does that mean? And he said, it meant that whatever 546 00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:13,760 Speaker 2: is here is stronger than the magnetic pull of the earth. 547 00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, because that's what they say. I mean, I think 548 00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:20,040 Speaker 1: it was Barry Tap that did so much research to 549 00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:26,360 Speaker 1: realize that something to do with the magnetic it's like 550 00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:30,480 Speaker 1: in a magnetic anomaly or something that spific area where 551 00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:35,080 Speaker 1: that house is. So the energy is just incredible. And 552 00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:37,080 Speaker 1: for anyone listening to this that doesn't know what we're 553 00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,359 Speaker 1: talking about, you can go back and listen to when 554 00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:41,040 Speaker 1: I had David omen Ah. But he lives in a 555 00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:44,839 Speaker 1: house that's like two or three doors down from where 556 00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:48,719 Speaker 1: Sharon Tate's house was where her and her friends were 557 00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:53,759 Speaker 1: murdered terribly. But just also it's that house seems to 558 00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:58,160 Speaker 1: be he says, kind of a portal, you know of 559 00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:02,080 Speaker 1: flop house for ghosts just come through all the time, 560 00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:05,200 Speaker 1: and it's just all kinds of ghosts there. 561 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, the whole block has has felt it, and the 562 00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:16,239 Speaker 2: whole block, the whole block has seen a seabring which 563 00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:20,880 Speaker 2: I find, Yeah, which I find, you know, very sad. 564 00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:26,279 Speaker 2: But I think Jay's okay. Now, I think he's you know, 565 00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:27,720 Speaker 2: I think he's doing fine. 566 00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:40,320 Speaker 1: Now do you want to listen to some ghost voices? Sure, okay, 567 00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:42,960 Speaker 1: we have a little segment here. It's time for it. 568 00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:51,120 Speaker 1: EVP or ev plicese. So what I do is I 569 00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:56,080 Speaker 1: go to YouTube and I find evp's electronic voice phenomenal 570 00:41:56,560 --> 00:42:00,000 Speaker 1: and I like to listen to them. Have my guests 571 00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:07,040 Speaker 1: guess what the researcher that posted believes that the ghost 572 00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:10,080 Speaker 1: is saying or what you hear? Just let me know 573 00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:14,239 Speaker 1: what you think. This first one is from It was 574 00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:19,799 Speaker 1: posted by ghost watch Paranormal on YouTube, and it's at 575 00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:24,680 Speaker 1: the Vogue Theater in Holluwah. Do you know the history 576 00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:25,280 Speaker 1: of that place? 577 00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:26,239 Speaker 2: Yes? 578 00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:28,240 Speaker 1: Who can you tell us? 579 00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:37,200 Speaker 2: Schools? Yes? Yes, school that burned down and you know 580 00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:43,960 Speaker 2: death happened maybe children and occupants of the school, is 581 00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:44,680 Speaker 2: what I'm told. 582 00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:48,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, like eighteen hundreds it was a schoolhouse burns 583 00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:54,560 Speaker 1: down just I think like twenty five children or something 584 00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,920 Speaker 1: apparently died and their teacher died. And then it became 585 00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:03,520 Speaker 1: this movie theater. And I know at one point I 586 00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:04,840 Speaker 1: don't know if you would know about this, but I 587 00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:06,440 Speaker 1: guess what I was reading online is that in the 588 00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:12,319 Speaker 1: nineties it was a headquarters for a paranormal research society 589 00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,720 Speaker 1: and they were doing all kinds of stuff there. 590 00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:23,919 Speaker 2: I don't know, yeah, but that you know, I thought 591 00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:25,240 Speaker 2: that guy was a fraud. 592 00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:30,319 Speaker 1: Oh okay, that was my opinion, got it? 593 00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:33,799 Speaker 2: You know, there was a point where, you know, you 594 00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:39,560 Speaker 2: could make a lot of money from paranormal activity and 595 00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:42,319 Speaker 2: bringing tours in there. You know, it was just when 596 00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:45,080 Speaker 2: it was all beginning and people were all excited and 597 00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:50,320 Speaker 2: there wasn't a paranormal show every time you turn the channel. Yeah, 598 00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:57,080 Speaker 2: and I just felt like he was capitalizing on that phenomenon. 599 00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,920 Speaker 1: Got it. Well, what I was reading line, I was like, 600 00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:05,080 Speaker 1: what it said? Okay, this website I went to totally dash 601 00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:08,040 Speaker 1: la dot com. They said over four thousand people have 602 00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:11,200 Speaker 1: claimed to see ghosts there, and there was an entire 603 00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:14,480 Speaker 1: audience of over six hundred people that saw a girl 604 00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:18,879 Speaker 1: skipping a ghost girl skipping down the aisles. I mean, 605 00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:23,960 Speaker 1: it's possible. Anyway, let's hear a ghost voice from there, 606 00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:27,600 Speaker 1: and this is from a spirit box, so it's gonna 607 00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:29,480 Speaker 1: be a little bit of staticy kind of noise in 608 00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:37,120 Speaker 1: the background. But what do you think this ghost is saying? Okay, 609 00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:39,080 Speaker 1: it's kind of like a high pitch. Here, I'll play 610 00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:44,160 Speaker 1: it again. Do you hear do you hear anything? It's 611 00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:45,320 Speaker 1: like a nanana. 612 00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:49,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I could never guess. 613 00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:54,080 Speaker 1: Well, here, i'll give you some options help or here 614 00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,279 Speaker 1: I'll give you. I'll give you four options, and it's 615 00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:58,879 Speaker 1: one of these, is what they believe. Okay, is it 616 00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:02,759 Speaker 1: a at least I'm not you. Oh that's shady. That's 617 00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:08,000 Speaker 1: a shady ghost. Is it b I'm Lisa? Is it 618 00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:14,960 Speaker 1: c unleash me? Or d I'll Lisa at first? Maybe 619 00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,120 Speaker 1: you know they didn't want to buy a car. They 620 00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:20,600 Speaker 1: thought they'd lease it first. I don't know. Here, I'll 621 00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:21,120 Speaker 1: played again. 622 00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:31,160 Speaker 2: Hmmm, I don't I honestly can't tell. It's so brief 623 00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:34,520 Speaker 2: that I would have to guess. I'm Lisa. 624 00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:38,040 Speaker 1: That's what they believe. Yes, it's Lisa, and I don't 625 00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:40,040 Speaker 1: know who Lisa was. Maybe she was one of those 626 00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:42,839 Speaker 1: poor little students. Or I'm not sure. Here, I'll play 627 00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:48,000 Speaker 1: it again. I'm Lisa. I can kind of hear it, 628 00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:49,480 Speaker 1: I can hear it. 629 00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:53,080 Speaker 2: And then again, though you know was Lisa even a 630 00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:55,800 Speaker 2: name back in the eighteen hundreds. 631 00:45:55,840 --> 00:46:00,640 Speaker 1: Oh interesting, you know, because that isn't that like short 632 00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:01,560 Speaker 1: for Elizabeth? 633 00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:06,760 Speaker 2: And I don't know if they. I don't ever recall, 634 00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:13,120 Speaker 2: you know, seeing anyone on the Rifleman named Lisa. Yeah, 635 00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:15,680 Speaker 2: so you know, but like I said, it could be 636 00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:17,160 Speaker 2: you know, from any time. 637 00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:22,040 Speaker 1: That's true. Yeah, you know. But that that theater, I've 638 00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:25,399 Speaker 1: never been inside of it, but I don't I don't 639 00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:28,560 Speaker 1: know if there's anything going on there right now. But God, 640 00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:32,000 Speaker 1: I'm afraid that movie theater. I hope that movie theaters 641 00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:36,040 Speaker 1: survive all this craziness that we're dealing with, because it's 642 00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:39,200 Speaker 1: so sad to see like these these historic old theaters 643 00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:42,279 Speaker 1: that have not been movie theaters for so long, and 644 00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:46,319 Speaker 1: then you know, now we have like the AMC's and 645 00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:53,080 Speaker 1: all these other giant movie theaters that I'm rooting for it. Yes, yes, 646 00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:57,960 Speaker 1: not to bring it down. Okay, here's one more EVP, 647 00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:02,040 Speaker 1: and this EVP for the first time and ghosted Bear 648 00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:09,280 Speaker 1: Rod's Dress Full as History was one that I recorded myself. Okay, 649 00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:12,520 Speaker 1: So I've been doing this thing on Patreon where I've 650 00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:17,319 Speaker 1: been basically doing real light ghost hunting where I just 651 00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:20,600 Speaker 1: go with my dog to different haunted places that I 652 00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:22,680 Speaker 1: can go to. You know, I went to the Hollywood 653 00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:29,440 Speaker 1: Forever Cemetery and this EVP I believe I captured. I 654 00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:35,960 Speaker 1: got at the Old Zoo at Griffith Park and I 655 00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:39,160 Speaker 1: posted the video. I showed it to a couple of 656 00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:41,960 Speaker 1: friends I was in. Have you been to the old 657 00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:43,279 Speaker 1: Zoo at Griffith Park? 658 00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:49,959 Speaker 2: If I have, it's been like thirty five years. 659 00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:53,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like this, you know, cool old used to 660 00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:55,360 Speaker 1: be a zoo and now they still have like the 661 00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:58,879 Speaker 1: polar bear enclosures and you can kind of just walk 662 00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:01,719 Speaker 1: around them a little bit, and there's tons of graffiti 663 00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:05,360 Speaker 1: and stuff all over them. But they say it's haunted 664 00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:09,880 Speaker 1: by animals, by all kinds of crazy things that have 665 00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:13,880 Speaker 1: happened in Griffith Park. And so I was like recording 666 00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:17,040 Speaker 1: and I heard what There was nobody else in there. 667 00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:20,440 Speaker 1: I heard somebody whisper, and this is it. It might 668 00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:23,279 Speaker 1: be hard to hear. It might be an evy police, 669 00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:30,160 Speaker 1: but tell me if you hear anything. All right, it's 670 00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:40,440 Speaker 1: kind of quiet, it's like loud. Okay, it's like a 671 00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:45,200 Speaker 1: god man, wait one word time. I'm trying to prove 672 00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:52,680 Speaker 1: that I'm not insane. Do you hear anything? 673 00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:56,840 Speaker 2: I could hear something and it sounds like activity. 674 00:48:57,120 --> 00:49:03,320 Speaker 1: Also, there were he uman beings not far away, maybe 675 00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:06,520 Speaker 1: thirty yards back, but this was like in a cave. 676 00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:11,320 Speaker 1: Especially if you watch the video, it's like right next 677 00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:15,000 Speaker 1: to me. Okay, wow, I'll give you some options of 678 00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:18,080 Speaker 1: what I think the ghost could say, and I'll let 679 00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:19,759 Speaker 1: you guess which one I think it is. 680 00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:23,040 Speaker 2: Okay, is it a. 681 00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:30,480 Speaker 3: Oh my god, I love your podcast, B come here 682 00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:37,840 Speaker 3: see give me your energy, or d come play with 683 00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:39,759 Speaker 3: as here. 684 00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:40,439 Speaker 1: I'll play it again. 685 00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:48,120 Speaker 2: Well, it's got to be. I love your podcast. 686 00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:51,200 Speaker 1: I don't know what it says, to be honest, but 687 00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:52,000 Speaker 1: it sounds like. 688 00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:54,799 Speaker 3: A come over here, come play here. 689 00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:58,919 Speaker 1: Like a come I don't know. I'm not sure. I'm 690 00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:01,080 Speaker 1: just trying to be one of these people on YouTube 691 00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:07,080 Speaker 1: that has EVPs. But maybe one day. 692 00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:12,560 Speaker 2: You know, I remember Do you remember it? Tom Snyder? 693 00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:14,960 Speaker 2: I don't know how old you are, ros and I'm 694 00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:18,240 Speaker 2: not going to ask, but there. 695 00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:20,600 Speaker 1: Was between twenty and seventy five. 696 00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:26,720 Speaker 2: Okay, Well, and you may remember a late night show 697 00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:30,200 Speaker 2: that would come on. I guess probably after Johnny Carson 698 00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:40,279 Speaker 2: called The Tomorrow Show with Tom Snyder, okay, and he 699 00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:44,680 Speaker 2: he had a and this is so long ago, and 700 00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:48,680 Speaker 2: he had a gentleman on who was doing EVPs before 701 00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:55,160 Speaker 2: we even had a name for it. And don't I know, 702 00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:57,359 Speaker 2: it was the first time I had ever heard of it. 703 00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:02,080 Speaker 2: And we've got to be talking. Well, let's see, it 704 00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:08,280 Speaker 2: was shortly after Dan Blocker had passed away, very unexpectedly, 705 00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:13,520 Speaker 2: one of the stars of Bonanza died on the operating table, 706 00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:19,480 Speaker 2: and uh, it was very shocking, and he had a 707 00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:27,719 Speaker 2: recording very clear of Dan Blocker. I can't remember what 708 00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:32,319 Speaker 2: he said now, but he identified himself and that was 709 00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:36,640 Speaker 2: the first time I'd ever heard of of anybody trying 710 00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:40,200 Speaker 2: to capture that, and so that always stayed with me. 711 00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:43,560 Speaker 2: So when people started doing it, I mean, I'm really 712 00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:48,400 Speaker 2: a believer. Uh you know, there are you know, and 713 00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:53,440 Speaker 2: and that story with mister Blocker would totally make sense 714 00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:57,960 Speaker 2: to me. He died tragically before his time. He wasn't 715 00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:02,680 Speaker 2: ready to go, just like Ozzy, just like honest abe, 716 00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:07,480 Speaker 2: they still had things they wanted to accomplish. And that 717 00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:13,640 Speaker 2: is a strong reason or you know, here's my theory. 718 00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:21,200 Speaker 2: Spirits were once human. There are animal spirits, but spirits 719 00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:26,480 Speaker 2: were once human and they stick around for very human reasons. 720 00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:31,000 Speaker 2: They weren't ready, they were murdered and it was written 721 00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:35,040 Speaker 2: off as something else, or it was never solved, and 722 00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:39,480 Speaker 2: they want justice or the true truth to come out, 723 00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:45,560 Speaker 2: you know. They Sometimes they don't stay forever, but there's 724 00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:51,759 Speaker 2: an event a child's wedding, that they want to be there. 725 00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:54,680 Speaker 2: And how many people say, oh, I felt my dad 726 00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:59,800 Speaker 2: was there, Well, he was, you know, and so sometimes 727 00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:03,320 Speaker 2: it can be a really beautiful thing. Often, very often 728 00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:08,799 Speaker 2: the spirits of children are seen and heard because they 729 00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:14,080 Speaker 2: died before death was really explained to them, and they 730 00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:18,200 Speaker 2: can see you. They don't realize they're supposed to go 731 00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:23,439 Speaker 2: on somewhere and they can see you and they can 732 00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:27,840 Speaker 2: hear you, and they don't really understand that you can't 733 00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:31,840 Speaker 2: always see and hear them, and so they're just being playful. 734 00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:37,040 Speaker 1: Now, do you think that there are instances where ghosts 735 00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:40,440 Speaker 1: don't want to like they're just enjoying being a ghost 736 00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:42,520 Speaker 1: and they wanted to stick around. 737 00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:49,400 Speaker 2: Yes, Yes, I think there's some that just they've stayed 738 00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:56,800 Speaker 2: so long that they have no interest in moving forward. 739 00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:59,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, and they might be it's probably because they're afraid 740 00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:02,760 Speaker 1: or they you know that it's they don't know what 741 00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:05,759 Speaker 1: what would happen, you know. 742 00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:09,840 Speaker 2: Or the place they haunt has become home to them 743 00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:13,279 Speaker 2: and they're comfortable there. They're comfortable with the people that 744 00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:14,040 Speaker 2: live there. 745 00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:18,279 Speaker 3: Yeah. 746 00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:22,920 Speaker 1: Well, Laurie, that's about it. There's You're somebody that I 747 00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:25,960 Speaker 1: hope that you'll come back sometime because there are so 748 00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:28,920 Speaker 1: many things to talk to you about with. I mean, 749 00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:32,799 Speaker 1: you know so many incredible things, which is why you've 750 00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:35,920 Speaker 1: written so many books. Can you tell people about you know, 751 00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:38,440 Speaker 1: your books and where to find them and all that stuff. 752 00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:43,680 Speaker 2: Well? Sure. The book that led you to me is 753 00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:50,600 Speaker 2: called Hollywood Haunted, and it was in print for nineteen 754 00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:55,040 Speaker 2: years and is now available as an e book on Amazon. 755 00:54:55,840 --> 00:55:01,040 Speaker 2: And I've got a really fun book called Dish Hollywood, 756 00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:07,319 Speaker 2: which is scandals and mysteries with a recipe attached to 757 00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:08,000 Speaker 2: each one. 758 00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:08,840 Speaker 1: Fun. 759 00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:14,040 Speaker 2: And my current book, which just came out a few 760 00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:19,080 Speaker 2: months ago, is called TV Dinners. You know, my husband, 761 00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:22,480 Speaker 2: as I mentioned, was a child star of the fifties 762 00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:27,040 Speaker 2: and sixties, and so I gathered forty of his fabulous 763 00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:32,279 Speaker 2: friends together to tell their stories and what it was 764 00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:36,560 Speaker 2: like to be a working kid in Hollywood during the 765 00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:42,960 Speaker 2: golden age of television and what a ate for dinner? 766 00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:50,200 Speaker 1: Ah, that was fun. Thank you Lrie Jacobson. I love that. 767 00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:52,640 Speaker 1: And if you want to hear us talking about the 768 00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:58,080 Speaker 1: Haunting of Ozzie Nelson, the spooky haunted house here in 769 00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:03,080 Speaker 1: Hollywood that'll be up for sale, I'm not sure you 770 00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:07,240 Speaker 1: can listen to us talking on patreon dot com slash 771 00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:10,400 Speaker 1: Ross dressful as and this week you can also see 772 00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:14,640 Speaker 1: the tour of my Funky Fun living Room and of 773 00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:16,800 Speaker 1: course all of the other things that have been posted 774 00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:19,799 Speaker 1: the past like three months or so. Thank you for 775 00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:23,440 Speaker 1: the five star reviews on Apple podcasts. Please keep them coming. 776 00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:27,320 Speaker 1: Go to Apple Podcasts five star review, five star rating. 777 00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:30,319 Speaker 1: If you have a ghost story, leave it in one 778 00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:32,520 Speaker 1: of those reviews. And I want to do another listener 779 00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:37,560 Speaker 1: episode soon, so please send me your listener stories to 780 00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:41,080 Speaker 1: ghosted by Roz at gmail dot com with the subject 781 00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:47,640 Speaker 1: line listener episode. Oh I've got my merchandise. I've got 782 00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:50,719 Speaker 1: the tote bags, the pins. The pins are back in 783 00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:54,640 Speaker 1: the store. They already sold out. Thank you. The ev 784 00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:57,799 Speaker 1: please pins are in the store. I also have my 785 00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:01,160 Speaker 1: t shirts, the tote bags, all that fun stuff. You 786 00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:04,879 Speaker 1: can find in the link in my Instagram bio or 787 00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:08,440 Speaker 1: in the Facebook group called ghosted by Rose Dress false 788 00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:11,600 Speaker 1: and I'm on cameo, So if you want me to 789 00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:16,560 Speaker 1: say Hello Happy Holidays to someone you love, that's cameo 790 00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:20,960 Speaker 1: dot com slash Roz Dress Falise I love you all, 791 00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:24,400 Speaker 1: both living and dead. But if I didn't ask you 792 00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:27,080 Speaker 1: to haunt me, don't haunt me. Okay. 793 00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:39,320 Speaker 2: Back Star 794 00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:42,720 Speaker 1: A podcast network