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Speaker 1: Here we go.

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Speaker 2: Our off season to do list start now alphabetical order.

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Speaker 1: A is for Arizona Diamondbacks.

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Speaker 2: Jack Summers joins us right now and you can hear

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Speaker 2: them on Snake's Territory also Dbacks on SIV writer for

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Speaker 2: Sports Illustrated. Jack, Great to see you again, and first off,

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Speaker 2: can you just lay out a little preview of what

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Speaker 2: your off season to do list is for the Diamondbacks

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Speaker 2: and then we'll go one by one.

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Speaker 3: Sure, probably like all thirty teams in Major League Baseball,

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Speaker 3: they need to add pitching, but they severely need to

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Speaker 3: add pitching. They need two starting pitchers to add to

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Speaker 3: their rotation. Zach g Allen, Mery Kelly free agents, of course,

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Speaker 3: and Corbyn Burns is out until at least the All

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Speaker 3: Star break, so they need to bring on at least

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Speaker 3: two starters. They may go aggressively try to trade for

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Speaker 3: a higher frontline starter. I don't think they have the

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Speaker 3: dollars to sign a frontline starter and then possibly backfill

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Speaker 3: with a more bargain basement fifth starter. At the same time,

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Speaker 3: they need to add a closer and or a couple

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Speaker 3: of high leverage relievers. Mike Haysen in the past him

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Speaker 3: and his front office have kind of gravitated towards this

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Speaker 3: closer by committee situation, which doesn't really work for them.

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Speaker 3: And I pressed him a little bit on it. Are

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Speaker 3: you going to try to get a closer this year?

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Speaker 3: And he said probably a little reluctantly, But I know

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Speaker 3: that Tory Leavello prefers to have a closer as opposed

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Speaker 3: to doing the committee route. And with eight years of

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Speaker 3: history of having one of the weakest bullpens in the league,

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Speaker 3: with a few exceptions here and there, this is a

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Speaker 3: spot that they have to fill. Justin Martinez and aj

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Speaker 3: Park are both out until the second half of the season.

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Speaker 3: Puck might come back a little bit sooner. He had

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Speaker 3: the brace procedure as opposed to Tommy john So you know,

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Speaker 3: you can't really count on those guys they got. They

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Speaker 3: need a closer. They bought the brought in a bunch

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Speaker 3: they need a right handed bat. It could be a

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Speaker 3: first baseman. They need a platoon mate for Peven Smith,

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Speaker 3: who's a left handed hitter who's likely going to get

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Speaker 3: most of the reps at first base, but then they

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Speaker 3: need a short side platoon guy. They also really could

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Speaker 3: use a Randall Gritchet type person to fill that similar

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Speaker 3: role because Lordus Guriel Junior is also out the first

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Speaker 3: half of the season at least due to an ACL tear,

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Speaker 3: so they need a right handed out feel bad. So

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Speaker 3: on top of that, beyond that top three bullet points,

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Speaker 3: they actually need a backup catcher as well. James McCann

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Speaker 3: came in and did a great job for them, and actually,

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Speaker 3: by the end of the season was catching more than

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Speaker 3: Gabrielle Marino because of concerns over pitch calling and how

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Speaker 3: well McCann is at that, and Marino is kind is

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Speaker 3: struggling with it. So the Dbacks certainly need a backup catcher.

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Speaker 3: I think they'd like to bring mccam back, but when

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Speaker 3: I spoke to him at the end of the season,

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Speaker 3: he was very noncommittal about returning.

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Speaker 4: Okay, Jack, where where do we start? We started with

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Speaker 4: the first one they need pictures? Was that Gallen still there?

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Speaker 4: Why can't they just resign that gown? They don't like

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Speaker 4: him that much. I mean, that seems like an obvious

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Speaker 4: other starting pitcher. Are they going to go fishing in

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Speaker 4: lure hopefully a base bargain guy, because you know, for

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Speaker 4: a long time this is supposed to be their strength

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Speaker 4: So who do they go get? And why would they

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Speaker 4: just let Gallen walk? Why not try to sign him?

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Speaker 3: Well? With Gallen, I think to sign scott Or's client,

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Speaker 3: to sign him to a long term deal is going

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Speaker 3: to take them out of their comfort zone financially. Ownership

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Speaker 3: has said that they're cutting payroll this year, and with

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Speaker 3: certainly going to give Zach Allen the qualifying offer, and

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Speaker 3: that they may try to bring Meryl Kelly back. Merril

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Speaker 3: has indicated a very strong desire to stay in Arizona.

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Speaker 3: He lives here, he loves it here. He's an Arizona guy.

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Speaker 3: I think he would like nothing better than to be

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Speaker 3: he's going to get paid. Of course, one thing that

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Speaker 3: Marte for Hunter Green. Green's got four years of control

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Speaker 3: of sixty one million dollars. He's had his injury history,

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Speaker 3: but this past year was growing injuries, not arm or elbow,

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Speaker 3: So that's one possibility. I think that the Diamondbacks are

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Speaker 3: that case, you're probably looking at more of a prospects deal.

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Speaker 3: But they're gonna have to peel off two or three

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Speaker 3: have to come more via trade, and they're gonna have

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Speaker 5: All right, payroll rollback.

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Speaker 4: So does that mean that they were deeked by the

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Speaker 4: Hey we saw ann flux of season ticket holders for

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Speaker 4: the twenty four season, so we had a little extra

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Speaker 4: money to spend. Was it poor planning or was it, hey,

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Speaker 4: you know what, we got two years to try to

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Speaker 3: I think it's more the latter what you just said.

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Speaker 3: They got a windfall from that twenty three World Series.

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Speaker 3: They invested a lot in pitching. Of course, they tried

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Speaker 3: of fell out of the sky. He contacted them, wanted to,

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Speaker 3: you know, go to Arizona, stay there because he lives there,

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Speaker 3: and so Ken Kendrick was willing to increase the payroll

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Speaker 3: they've said, but both he and Derek Hall have said

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Speaker 4: Okay, you mentioned you mentioned cornerbats. They had two cornerbats,

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Speaker 4: they traded them away and now it's Suarez and Naylor.

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Speaker 4: So are they going to look for maybe bring one

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Speaker 4: of them back if they can or you mentioned trades?

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Speaker 4: Can they do they have enough prospects to go trade

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Speaker 4: free agency to trade for all these people and in

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Speaker 4: a tough division. I mean, let's be honest with the

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Speaker 5: Do they have enough to compete?

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Speaker 3: I think the combination they do. And Mike Casan will

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Speaker 3: never back off trying to compete. I think you know

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Speaker 3: that about his reputation. He's you know, rebuild is a

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Speaker 3: dirty word. He did say they have thirty to forty

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Speaker 3: going to have to be a combination of trades and

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Speaker 3: to have to fill almost everything else by trade or

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Speaker 3: use free agency dollars to fill some of the other gaps.

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Speaker 3: One name that they've been tied to is Paul Goldschmidt

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Speaker 3: as a possible return to be short side platoon. You know,

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Speaker 3: basically he still hits left handed pitching, doesn't hit right

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Speaker 3: mentor to pave in Smith and pick up you know,

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Speaker 3: don't think it's going to cost more than six seven

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Speaker 3: ten million tops to bring book Goldie back for one year.

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Speaker 3: So that's that's one type of possibility. As far as

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Speaker 3: Suarez and Nailer, a big emphasis for the Diamondbacks is

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Speaker 3: improved defense. The defense was a lot better over the

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Speaker 5: Of the year.

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Speaker 3: Gino, I love that man. I mean, he is just

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Speaker 3: one of the most genuine people in the world and

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Speaker 3: you couldn't be more happy than to see him have success. However,

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Speaker 3: his defense is really taking a big step back, and

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Speaker 3: I just don't see the Diamondbacks going down that road.

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Speaker 3: Similar with Naylor. He's a really good hitter, but his

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Speaker 3: defensive first base overall rates out quite poorly, well below average.

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Speaker 3: I don't think the team is willing to go back

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Speaker 4: You guys mentioned it a lot on Snake's territory. Go

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Speaker 4: tell Marte, you mentioned it a little bit here. You know,

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Speaker 4: the Hunter Green both of their offense. He's a perennial

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Speaker 4: top three MVP candidate. There's a little bit of scuttle

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Speaker 4: lot about you know, what was going on with the team,

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Speaker 4: and you know, is he there every day after the

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Speaker 4: All Star break? All that stuff is that's something that

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Speaker 4: the team could really push that trade and get maybe

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Speaker 4: like two or three big league ready pieces because he's

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Speaker 4: locked up I think until to that twenty thirty. Is

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Speaker 4: that new extension which teams for that kind of bat

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Speaker 4: that you know, it's an impact bat immediately into somebody's lineup,

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Speaker 4: which means the Diamondacks will be losing that impact bat.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they control him for the next five years through

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Speaker 3: his age thirty six season. However, you know second basement

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Speaker 3: middle thirties, thirty five, thirty six, you know that's when

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Speaker 3: his contract gets more expensive too. It's kind of now

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Speaker 3: or never. You know, he's got ten and five rights

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Speaker 3: coming up I think in May or June of next

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Speaker 3: year based on service time. So you know, if they

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Speaker 3: want to trade him and try to use that level

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Speaker 3: of talent to fill in all of these holes, it's

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Speaker 3: now or never.

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Speaker 5: That's a yes, that's a yes. Then that's yes, Jack.

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Speaker 4: You just said it because they don't want to get

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Speaker 4: to ten to five. So yes, okay, so we can

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Speaker 4: look for kateel Marte And yesterday we heard Trek.

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Speaker 5: Schooble's name mentioned as possibly being traded.

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Speaker 4: So be a very busy offseason on Snake's territory because

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Speaker 4: we'll see who what they get.

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Speaker 4: I can't thanks, guys have a great one thing before

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Speaker 2: Reminded it everyone to check out Snake's territory. And if

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Speaker 2: the top of the video for the offseason to do

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Speaker 1: From Jack Jack, Thank you, Thank you guys. Hey, let's

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Speaker 2: BBWAA Award finalists. So I'm talking about MVP, cy Young,

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Speaker 2: Tani on this list, Kyle Schwarber on this list, Juan

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Speaker 2: Does that surprise you, guys? You think he's three? Right, Aja?

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Speaker 2: Is that what you're saying?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean they lined him up perfectly right there.

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Speaker 4: Did win Player of the Year from the players? We

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Speaker 1: I wanted to really badly, but we ran out of time.

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Speaker 4: I know there was too many other things that we

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Speaker 5: A better year than Did he have a better year

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Speaker 2: Hopefully for his case, he'll get some postseason action at

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Speaker 4: What you called him Patrick Murphy, which made me laugh

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Speaker 4: But I think, honestly, Schneider's got a great chance at

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Speaker 4: I think John Schneider led the American League. You know,

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Speaker 4: The media, and the media loves Murphy's like a media Darlin.

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Speaker 4: Don't forget that, even though that shouldn't matter. It doesn't matter.

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