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Speaker 5: And now your hosts Isaiah Stanback, Nick Harris, John Mashoda,
Speaker 5: and Kyle Yeomans.
Speaker 1: For the first time in the twenty twenty three season,
Speaker 1: we welcome you to Talking Cowboys, presented by Black Rifle
Speaker 1: Coffee Company. We are on site here in Oxnard, California
Speaker 1: for training Camp twenty twenty three. We've got some new
Speaker 1: players to talk about. We've got some new hosts to
Speaker 1: talk about as well. I'm Kyle Yeomans back here for
Speaker 1: what is now going to be my fourth season on
Speaker 1: Talking Cowboys, which is crazy for me to say, because
Speaker 1: I still feel like the newbie sometimes around these parts.
Speaker 1: We've got Nick Harris, who's going into season number one,
Speaker 1: but you've been on the show a couple times before.
Speaker 1: We got Chris Beam in the back who's been here forever.
Speaker 1: But I do want to welcome to the show for
Speaker 1: the first time ever, mister John Machoda from the athletic.
Speaker 1: What's going on?
Speaker 6: John not Man living the dream?
Speaker 7: I don't know that there's anybody that loves coming out
Speaker 7: here more than I do. You might love it as much,
Speaker 7: but I don't know that anybody loves it more than
Speaker 7: I do.
Speaker 1: What's your favorite part about being out here?
Speaker 7: I should say the weather, but for me, it's really
Speaker 7: the social media because the policies that they allow out
Speaker 7: here are a lot better, so being able to post
Speaker 7: videos and things like that, that's probably my actual favorite part.
Speaker 7: But I mean, yeah, obviously this weather is incredible, and
Speaker 7: I love that they come out here for that, but
Speaker 7: I love the social media aspect.
Speaker 1: Is what year is this for you?
Speaker 6: That's a good question.
Speaker 7: So I didn't get hired full time until twenty fourteen,
Speaker 7: but I was coming out to camp. I started coming
Speaker 7: out to camp in twenty eleven, but it was like
Speaker 7: one of those things I was at the Dale's Morey News, yeah,
Speaker 7: where I would only come out for like maybe a week,
Speaker 7: and then after I obviously got hired full time, then
Speaker 7: it was you know, the entire camp and every home
Speaker 7: and road game.
Speaker 6: So every year since twenty fourteen, I'd say, yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 1: Nick, So I mean, this is your first camp, first impression.
Speaker 8: So far, it's been fantastic. I will say the weather,
Speaker 8: it's fantastic. It's a much different, much different ray than
Speaker 8: what we get in Dallas. But yeah, it's been fun
Speaker 8: so far. Hasn't been short of any drama, and I
Speaker 8: feel like I'm getting the full experience so far.
Speaker 1: That's the that's the tease of all teases. It hasn't
Speaker 1: been short of drama already. We've got some things to
Speaker 1: talk about but before so, I mean, this is a
Speaker 1: bit of a switch up of course for those of
Speaker 1: you who normally tune into Talking Cowboys. We will not
Speaker 1: have Patrick Walker on the show this year, and he
Speaker 1: makes the jump to the break and congrats to Pat
Speaker 1: for that and really excited to see him continue to
Speaker 1: grow in his role at Dallas Cowboys dot Com. We
Speaker 1: still love Patrick and he's already told me today he
Speaker 1: was like, I'm gonna pull a Nate Newton and just
Speaker 1: pop in randomly, which is what ends up happening from
Speaker 1: time to time when we're at the Star and I'm
Speaker 1: sure Nate will probably do while we're out here as well.
Speaker 1: We will have Isaiah Standback on the show throughout training camp.
Speaker 1: He should get here this weekend, and so that'll be
Speaker 1: a lot of fun going into next week. We'll have
Speaker 1: John on for every episode during training camp, and then
Speaker 1: of course Nick is on full time when we get
Speaker 1: back as well. But I want to start with getting
Speaker 1: to know you guys a little bit more. So I
Speaker 1: want to a quick ten second resume, and then what
Speaker 1: was the biggest thing you did this summer going into
Speaker 1: training camp? Not football related? I want I want to
Speaker 1: I want to know what John did this summer.
Speaker 7: For me, probably the best thing was I went back
Speaker 7: to Michigan. I'm from right outside Detroit Warren, Michigan, and
Speaker 7: uh that's kind of the area where Eminem's from, and
Speaker 7: so I was back up there and some friends wanted
Speaker 7: to go to this at cheering concert at Forkfield, and
Speaker 7: during the concert, Eminem came out and did a couple
Speaker 7: of songs. So he hasn't toured in a while, and
Speaker 7: I'm a big fan and that was a surprise.
Speaker 6: So I'd say, that's probably, you know, the coolest thing.
Speaker 7: And then when I got down here, though, I got
Speaker 7: I got down here last Thursday, usually try and come
Speaker 7: in a few days early, and went to an Angels game,
Speaker 7: So I saw Otani pitch and so that was that
Speaker 7: was cool too.
Speaker 1: But yeah, big baseball guy.
Speaker 6: Uh, it's it's third.
Speaker 7: There's clearly like, like my favorite sport to play has
Speaker 7: always been basketball, but the cover it's football, and it's
Speaker 7: not even close. But football and basketball are the top two,
Speaker 7: but baseball is third, but there's a big drop off
Speaker 7: to anything else. So there's kind of like that core three.
Speaker 7: But even if I wasn't a huge baseball fan of
Speaker 7: just the whole Otani pitching and playing at a ridiculous level,
Speaker 7: it's incredible that I just it's like kind of like
Speaker 7: the Steph Curry thing, like I don't I is that
Speaker 7: really going to change the game to where like you
Speaker 7: never you know, all these guys are gonna start doing
Speaker 7: You've got to be really good to be able to
Speaker 7: do that. How many guys are gonna be able to
Speaker 7: pitch and hit an elite level? So I just kind
Speaker 7: of feel like it's a rare time for that.
Speaker 9: So it's a spectacle. That's that's the best way to
Speaker 9: put him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So and you're with the athletic now, you talked
Speaker 1: about not being full time until tw twenty fourteen, how
Speaker 1: did you kind of get into the business and how
Speaker 1: did you end up.
Speaker 7: At the athletic so being I grew up a Detroit
Speaker 7: sports fan and in uh I graduated high school two thousand,
Speaker 7: but I didn't really know what I wanted to do
Speaker 7: professionally after that. I actually went to community college and
Speaker 7: got my associate's degree in law enforcement.
Speaker 6: I thought I was gonna be a police officer.
Speaker 7: And then when that was finishing up, the Pistons were
Speaker 7: starting to roll and that's like three zero four to
Speaker 7: oh five ish there, and I was like, I just
Speaker 7: couldn't consume enough about the team, and I was like, man,
Speaker 7: that would be such a fun job to cover a team.
Speaker 7: And so I ended up going to Wayne State in Detroit,
Speaker 7: and a lot of this stuff I got the community
Speaker 7: college stuff didn't transfer over school wise, so it was
Speaker 7: like starting over. So I was kind of behind. You know,
Speaker 7: your friends are all graduating at different times. But it
Speaker 7: was the best decision I ever made, because my dream
Speaker 7: was to cover like the Tigers, Allions or Pistons. I
Speaker 7: never thought i'd get a chance to cover the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 7: So an editor of mine, when I was a freelance
Speaker 7: at a Detroit Free Press. He got a job of
Speaker 7: the Dallas Morning News, and so he called me one
Speaker 7: day and was like, hey, if you're willing to come
Speaker 7: down here, I don't have anything full time, but you
Speaker 7: know I can find work for you for sure.
Speaker 6: And that was great.
Speaker 7: That was in twenty eleven and the Rangers were rolling
Speaker 7: the MAVs obviously won the championship. You know, there's just
Speaker 7: a lot of and then the Cowboys are always of interest.
Speaker 7: So I got to go out to Valley Ranch and
Speaker 7: really was I always say it was like a drug,
Speaker 7: you know, Like I was like, I just want to
Speaker 7: cover the cowboys, like I love to being around.
Speaker 6: I love the interest of it.
Speaker 7: And I was at that in my mind, I was like,
Speaker 7: I'm just going to keep showing up until eventually somebody
Speaker 7: hires me full time, you know. And that, thankfully to
Speaker 7: Derek Eagleton d Elle's Cowboys. They offered me a job
Speaker 7: to cover the team for the for the website. And
Speaker 7: when that happened, the Dallasmore News was like, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 7: we'll hire you full time hire and so that it
Speaker 7: helped me obviously. So and then in twenty nineteen I
Speaker 7: ended up going to the athletic and been having a
Speaker 7: blast there ever since.
Speaker 1: That's awesome and you do great work. I mean I've
Speaker 1: always followed John, even whenever I was in small market radio.
Speaker 1: I was on ESPN Central Texas. You were on our
Speaker 1: morning show. Almost every week. I would hit up John.
Speaker 1: I'd be like, listen, John, I need you on the show.
Speaker 1: We got to get you some cowboys talk, so had
Speaker 1: It's great to be able to kind of work with
Speaker 1: you on air. We've worked behind the scenes quite a bit,
Speaker 1: but on air is gonna be a whole new level.
Speaker 1: And I think it's gonna be great for this show,
Speaker 1: and I'm excited about it. And then I'm excited to
Speaker 1: see what Nick Harris has in store for us this year.
Speaker 1: I've told people, Yeah, I've told people this before, but
Speaker 1: and Nick and I go back pretty far too, but
Speaker 1: nobody has seen the swag that Nick Harris has yet.
Speaker 1: Like it's just barely scratching. Honestly, both of these guys.
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the shoes. Both of you guys got
Speaker 1: great shoe game. But Nick, I mean, tell me what
Speaker 1: you did this summer and what you're most looking forward
Speaker 1: to going into this training camp.
Speaker 8: I would say my one highlight from the summer non
Speaker 8: football related. Took a New York trip with one of
Speaker 8: my roommates and I had a fantastic time out there.
Speaker 8: It was a couple of weeks and you know, watch
Speaker 8: some baseball, went and saw the old Polo grounds where
Speaker 8: it used to be. Now it's just a section eight
Speaker 8: up complex, but it was cool to kind of take
Speaker 8: in taking that aura, saw massive square garden, you know,
Speaker 8: did all the New York things, and then uh caught
Speaker 8: COVID on my way back.
Speaker 9: So it was it was a fantastic time.
Speaker 8: Obviously, and I had my wallet stolen, had my wallet
Speaker 8: stolen out there too.
Speaker 1: It was just highlight.
Speaker 8: Was the highlight of my summer exactly, but never did
Speaker 8: I was. I got my license. I had had to
Speaker 8: request a new license. Unfortunately I got it the day
Speaker 8: before the charter left, and if I didn't, it was
Speaker 8: going to be we're going to figure out some things.
Speaker 8: But fortunately, exactly right, I was gonna be hiding in
Speaker 8: your luggage.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had an extra bag. I got screened, So yeah,
Speaker 1: that wouldn't have worked out. That wouldn't have worked out
Speaker 1: this time. But that's awesome, very nice. It was that
Speaker 1: your first time going to New York.
Speaker 8: No, it wasn't, but it was my first time spending
Speaker 8: that much time there and really soaking it in.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's awesome. Yeah are you going back? Oh?
Speaker 9: Absolutely absolutely? Yeah I had too much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, beamer is is, Yeah, you might have lost game one,
Speaker 1: maybe game two will go better for you, exactly.
Speaker 7: It's it's gonna be funny though, like when when the
Speaker 7: not to call it any names of the older sports
Speaker 7: writers that cover this team, but like thinking of that,
Speaker 7: like so that you know that game, it's you know
Speaker 7: it's actually in New Jersey, and I just find it
Speaker 7: funny how there's some people on this beat that don't
Speaker 7: try to go to New York every time, like I
Speaker 7: always am, like when I get tired of like trying
Speaker 7: to go to New York when we go there, for
Speaker 7: like especially that year when they played the Giants and
Speaker 7: Jets both in Jersey, I was like, well, I got
Speaker 7: to go over there, like I saw like earlier in
Speaker 7: the day before they play that the Giants to open it.
Speaker 7: The Yankees have a home game, and there's part of
Speaker 7: me that's like, man, I should try and make it
Speaker 7: over there.
Speaker 6: I don't know if it's doable.
Speaker 7: But yeah, I just always try and get over there
Speaker 7: for I don't know that i'd want to live there,
Speaker 7: but ye, visiting.
Speaker 9: Is great, absolutely, I agree.
Speaker 1: I agree. I'm with you.
Speaker 8: Just walking around it's it's incredibly fast paced and if
Speaker 8: you can keep up, it's fun. But as far as
Speaker 8: living there, I'd have to I'd have to think about
Speaker 8: it. It had to be a hard thought, it would have.
Speaker 1: To be a big, big opportunity to make make that.
Speaker 7: The best way that I just I could explain to
Speaker 7: somebody the very first time I ever went there, when
Speaker 7: I got off of the say, I felt like you
Speaker 7: were in a car merging into traffic, trying to start
Speaker 7: walking with people. All right, are we getting in? Are
Speaker 7: we getting okay? Yeah, got to make.
Speaker 1: A signal get in there. Yeah.
Speaker 8: I spent my freshman year at Allen High School, and
Speaker 8: if anyone's familiar with Alan and how many kids they
Speaker 8: try to jam pack into those hallways, they gave me
Speaker 8: a lot of PTSD walking off that subway for the
Speaker 8: first time.
Speaker 9: So that was that was the best way I could
Speaker 9: explain it.
Speaker 1: I don't even want to really imagine that. Honestly, that
Speaker 1: sounds terrible. Speaking of New York, I guess that leads
Speaker 1: into my biggest thing this summer, got married. Of course,
Speaker 1: we talked about that on talking Cowboys before. I told
Speaker 1: my wife Lorena. As we were leaving, I told her
Speaker 1: I was She was like, the first thing you need
Speaker 1: to say on har is that you love me. And
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, I will. I'll tell you so.
Speaker 1: I love you, Lorena. Here you go. So now that
Speaker 1: that's out of the way, let's talk some cowboys. Let's
Speaker 1: definitely do that real quickly. First impressions from practice number one.
Speaker 1: We'll take a break here in a minute. We might
Speaker 1: continue this conversation. But John, when you were looking at
Speaker 1: practice yesterday, definitely a lot to take in. I felt
Speaker 1: like they didn't waste any time. They only have the
Speaker 1: twelve practice sessions, ten of which are padded, and certainly
Speaker 1: practice one was right off to a hot start.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and there's a part of me that I wish
Speaker 7: coach wouldn't do that, because again, I love the social
Speaker 7: media aspect, and when they were doing something tempost stuff,
Speaker 7: it's like, I don't have enough time to tweet these
Speaker 7: videos down and get to the next one. I get
Speaker 7: I get there doing it for conditionings, I wish he
Speaker 7: would care a little bit more.
Speaker 1: About about your tweeting. The engagement needs to be there.
Speaker 7: The two things that that's most to me would be
Speaker 7: one is that the semi fojoco tip pass that eric'scotted
Speaker 7: up intercepting. And only reason why that stands out is
Speaker 7: because that was an issue last year. So if you
Speaker 7: see it, you can kind of be like, oh, is
Speaker 7: this gonna happen all over again? Which it's just one practice,
Speaker 7: it's not that big of a deal. But you know,
Speaker 7: we tend to in our business sometimes overrate things, no doubt,
Speaker 7: and speaking of that, like and I don't want to
Speaker 7: oversell this because that is such a training camp thing
Speaker 7: to over sell wide receiver. But I just I really
Speaker 7: thought Jalen Tolbert looked good, Like he just looked like
Speaker 7: he was really sure of himself, was in the right spots,
Speaker 7: like uh, you know, made the catches that they were
Speaker 7: there to make. And you know, obviously a lot of
Speaker 7: eyes are going to be on him during this camp,
Speaker 7: and I just thought he had a really great start
Speaker 7: first day.
Speaker 1: It's huge.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think Jaylen Tolbert was probably the biggest standout
Speaker 8: just because of what he had to face. Last year
Speaker 8: both mentally and on the field, and this season you
Speaker 8: can really tell that he's starting to find that extra
Speaker 8: gear and find that extra switch building chemistry with Dak
Speaker 8: Prescott both on and off the field. And you know,
Speaker 8: we were able to see that early on, and seeing
Speaker 8: that early on can only give you.
Speaker 9: Hope about what's to come.
Speaker 8: So I actually wrote about it in one of my
Speaker 8: practice points yesterday on Dallas Cowboys dot Com.
Speaker 9: Y'all can go check that out.
Speaker 8: But the receiver group overall just had a fantastic day yesterday,
Speaker 8: Like even Simmy Fooco aside from that one tipped pass,
Speaker 8: he had a good day. It was just very unfortunate
Speaker 8: that his worst moment was probably the team's worst moment yesterday.
Speaker 7: The thing I always had problems with that too, not problems,
Speaker 7: but it just you kind of have to adjust to
Speaker 7: is like, Okay, so do you sit there and talk
Speaker 7: about how bad of a play that was or then
Speaker 7: you got the Eric Scott side of it.
Speaker 6: That's obviously a big play for absolutely a.
Speaker 7: Young corner to make, so you want to be sure,
Speaker 7: you know, I mean, you got to be in the
Speaker 7: right place at the right time.
Speaker 6: And he's the guy that has been doing that.
Speaker 1: That was such an interesting play because I agree there's
Speaker 1: almost three levels to it is interception. Of course, that's
Speaker 1: a quarterback stat and everybody's been looking at that quarterback stat,
Speaker 1: especially with Dak Prescott this offseason. Fifteen interceptions last year.
Speaker 1: It's been a notable talking point and it should be
Speaker 1: based off of the year, and Dak would even say
Speaker 1: so that he had in twenty twenty two. But it
Speaker 1: was a good throw from Dak. So the next storyline
Speaker 1: is semi Fojoko, why didn't you catch it? It's a drop,
Speaker 1: It's a tipped ball that ended up going up into
Speaker 1: the air. If you're gonna drop it, at least drop
Speaker 1: it toward the ground and at least try and make
Speaker 1: some sort of effort to not allow it to be intercepted.
Speaker 1: And Dak, even with the trip out to the East
Speaker 1: Coast and to even have that mentality he's talking about,
Speaker 1: I don't want to have tipped interceptions. I don't want
Speaker 1: to have that thing in the air, that ball in
Speaker 1: the air after it hits my receiver's hand. So you're
Speaker 1: trying to get on the same page, why does that
Speaker 1: not happen in that specific moment? And then The third
Speaker 1: storyline would be Eric Scott Junior, young corner who a
Speaker 1: lot of people have their eyes on as well because
Speaker 1: they traded up to go get him. You saw what
Speaker 1: dron Bland did last year in the same scenario as
Speaker 1: a day three mid major cornerback that comes in and
Speaker 1: has an impact and ended up leading the team in
Speaker 1: interceptions after a great camp. Eric Scott Junior's got a
Speaker 1: little bit of that expectation too. So there's three ways
Speaker 1: to look at it, and I think really the fourth
Speaker 1: way would just be let's not overseell this thing. Let's
Speaker 1: not get too carried away, because I mean, it was
Speaker 1: a great throw. Simmy had a better day outside of
Speaker 1: that that most people will talk about. And then on
Speaker 1: the third aspect of it, Eric Scott Junior had a
Speaker 1: PBu two plays later where he broke a pass away.
Speaker 1: I believe it was dirt and that he broke a
Speaker 1: pass up with So I mean, overall, all three of
Speaker 1: those guys had solid days yesterday to start things off. Now,
Speaker 1: I do want to talk more about Jalen Tolbert, so
Speaker 1: when we come back on the other side of the break,
Speaker 1: Tolbert as one of the leading at least attention getters
Speaker 1: here in the early parts of camp. Is this too
Speaker 1: early to say he's in the lead for that wide
Speaker 1: receiver four spot or could he potentially just be getting
Speaker 1: started as a former top one hundred pick when we
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Speaker 8: I had a summer sweat session yesterday. I wore dress
Speaker 8: pants and it was eighty two degrees. I was told
Speaker 8: there would be a breeze. That did not happen.
Speaker 1: You wore dress bands.
Speaker 9: I did.
Speaker 1: It was in a black shirt.
Speaker 8: It was it was tough work yesterday. If you see
Speaker 8: me on training Camp Live, I was I was battling hot.
Speaker 9: I was battling.
Speaker 6: I love that because my very first training camp the
Speaker 6: exact same thing.
Speaker 9: Here we are, here, we are.
Speaker 6: I want to make sure I leave it today.
Speaker 1: It's a completely different feel. And and for those of
Speaker 1: that are back in Texas that are laughing at us
Speaker 1: right now and they're like, you're not in a one
Speaker 1: hundred and four degree You're able to go outside and
Speaker 1: it doesn't feel like you're in a hair dryer. I agree.
Speaker 1: But it is still hot at times, especially the sun.
Speaker 1: If you want you want to ask anybody, consult my
Speaker 1: forehead on how hot it gets out here. It does
Speaker 1: still get hot. I guarantee it all right. Speaking of
Speaker 1: getting hot, Jalen Tolbert seems to be getting hot at
Speaker 1: the right time. See what I did there, Nick the
Speaker 1: the the rookie year for Jalen Tolbert, no secret, it
Speaker 1: was underwhelming significantly, and I think for for everybody that
Speaker 1: was around him watching film once the draft happened, they
Speaker 1: expected him to come in and possibly be the number
Speaker 1: three receiver as a rookie, but John that didn't happen. Instead,
Speaker 1: he's he's taking a new approach. It seems like he
Speaker 1: talked to Nick Eatman at the Senior Bowl. He had
Speaker 1: a great interview there, talked about how the mindset needs
Speaker 1: to change, and it looks like it has. But he's
Speaker 1: starting to show it in training camp already through is
Speaker 1: just one practice the same way he did in the summer.
Speaker 1: With OTA's and mini camp. I think he's he's on
Speaker 1: the right track to possibly take that number four spot.
Speaker 1: And as a former third round pick, do you think
Speaker 1: he has the edge? Yeah?
Speaker 7: I do, and I think not only is he doing
Speaker 7: all the right things and saying all the right things,
Speaker 7: like this is with certain players, Like it's not like
Speaker 7: every single guy says the right thing, does the right thing,
Speaker 7: it's doing the right preparation. There's certain things that I'm
Speaker 7: not going to name any players' names over the years
Speaker 7: covering the team, but there's certain guys where you're just like,
Speaker 7: I wonder how serious this players even taking this. That's
Speaker 7: not the case with Jalen told at all. And that
Speaker 7: goes back to you know, OTA's in mini camp, just
Speaker 7: when you're around him talking to him, and then obviously
Speaker 7: during that portion between that ending and then training camp starting.
Speaker 7: You see he's out there with Dak, he's working out,
Speaker 7: you know, as much as possible, trying to be you know,
Speaker 7: a sponge. And for me personally from what we do,
Speaker 7: I just really liked how he owned up to it,
Speaker 7: you know that, Hey, it wasn't like trying to. There's
Speaker 7: just some guys that will try and act like it's
Speaker 7: all that you know, you guys are just hating them.
Speaker 7: It's like now, I mean it was there, you didn't
Speaker 7: really make that big of an impact, And he totally
Speaker 7: owned up to it. And so the mindset absolutely seems
Speaker 7: to be there. And again the way that he started
Speaker 7: out yesterday I just think is a great start for him.
Speaker 7: So yeah, absolutely, I think you know that number four
Speaker 7: spot right now. I think it's up between you know,
Speaker 7: him and him and Simmi Filoko. And the other part
Speaker 7: of is that when you take a guy in the
Speaker 7: third round, you're gonna give that guy every opportunity to
Speaker 7: try and win that job.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Absolutely, And you you mentioned him just kind of finding
Speaker 8: a different level of maturity. I think that's that's probably
Speaker 8: what we see most whenever we talk to Jay Win Tolbert,
Speaker 8: That's what we hear most out of him, and you
Speaker 8: could tell it No tis for sure, you know he
Speaker 8: was on the same page. It seemed like he was
Speaker 8: talking to more guys in the offense and just another
Speaker 8: level of understanding. And I also think Mike McCarthy taking
Speaker 8: over his play caller kind of allowing him to just
Speaker 8: reset completely. I think that really benefits him the most,
Speaker 8: just because of how disappointing his rookie season was.
Speaker 9: And he would even tell you that.
Speaker 8: So being able to come in with a fresh system,
Speaker 8: a fresh mindset, fully healthy, you know, getting on the
Speaker 8: same page with your quarterback, that can only help him.
Speaker 8: And after practice one he's the guy. So you know,
Speaker 8: as far as we can tell, he's the guy right now,
Speaker 8: What is.
Speaker 1: Real What is a realistic expectation for for Tolvert specifically,
Speaker 1: because if he does win the wide receivers for spot,
Speaker 1: let's let's assume that he's in a rotation. I mean
Speaker 1: in an offense where there is Michael Gallup, there is
Speaker 1: Brandon Cooks, who, hey, he has been working with significantly
Speaker 1: and he's latched onto. Uh. That's what Brian Schottenheimer told
Speaker 1: us and told the media after OTA's were over. But
Speaker 1: there's there's three names with Michael Gallup, Brandon Cooks and
Speaker 1: of course Ceedee Lamb that are going to get some
Speaker 1: some targets that are going to get that those reps.
Speaker 1: But if he does win that number four spot, does
Speaker 1: he need to be an impact player or what is
Speaker 1: that expectation there?
Speaker 7: Well, if you say that those first three are going
Speaker 7: to stay completely healthy, then the expectations probably can be
Speaker 7: a little bit lower because just the touches aren't going
Speaker 7: to be there, the opportunities aren't going to be there.
Speaker 7: But I mean there's gonna be opportunities for him because
Speaker 7: even if let's say a guy isn't lost for you know,
Speaker 7: the season or something like that, there's gonna be times
Speaker 7: in games where a guy gets dinged up. And if
Speaker 7: you're that number four receiver in today's NFL, I mean
Speaker 7: you got to be preparing like almost your starter. They're
Speaker 7: just gonna be so many opportunities there for you. So
Speaker 7: I mean, yeah, as they say here today, I mean
Speaker 7: they would love that. Yeah, you know, we need a Jalen,
Speaker 7: but we didn't need him a ton because those top
Speaker 7: three guys never got hurt. You know, That's yeah, you'd
Speaker 7: hope for that, but let's be realistic here.
Speaker 1: It kind of reminds me of Cedric Wilson.
Speaker 7: Wilson, Noah Brown. There's always been a guy that you know.
Speaker 7: And then the way the NFL keeps going, it's going
Speaker 7: in that direction. You need four or five quality wide receivers.
Speaker 6: What's a good season for him and fifty fifteen hundred yards?
Speaker 1: No, Wow, he'd be comeback Player of the Year exactly
Speaker 1: if he did something like that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's a good question.
Speaker 1: If he hits twenty receptions, I agree, honestly, and the
Speaker 1: yardist will come. I mean, if you have twenty receptions,
Speaker 1: you're probably gonna have two hundred something yards touchdowns, probably
Speaker 1: three or four touchdowns if he can make an impact
Speaker 1: from a reception standpoint, Because you also got to throw
Speaker 1: the tight ends into the mix as well. I mean,
Speaker 1: the expectations for this offense is they want to run
Speaker 1: the ball, But this is an offense then right now
Speaker 1: in terms of the talent is set up to throw
Speaker 1: it for sure. I mean, you've got so many receivers,
Speaker 1: you have these young tight ends that you want to
Speaker 1: unleash at some point as well. He's gonna have to
Speaker 1: find those receptions somewhere. So I would think twenty twenty
Speaker 1: five receptions would be a solid year.
Speaker 7: And of course it's that you know, people go back
Speaker 7: to that play in Green Bay. You know, you got
Speaker 7: to be in the right spot, can't line up off sides,
Speaker 7: things like that that you know, it has to be
Speaker 7: fundamentally sound. And if that happens, I think everything else
Speaker 7: kind of take care of itself.
Speaker 8: Yeah, no lapses in discipline and just doing your job.
Speaker 8: I think that's that's all you can do as a
Speaker 8: wide receiver.
Speaker 9: Four two.
Speaker 1: Well, you also look at what he did last year.
Speaker 1: I mean he had what two receptions I think for
Speaker 1: twenty yards and nine yards that's what it was. Two
Speaker 1: receptions for nine yards. Siemi Fojoco had three receptions for
Speaker 1: I think it was eighteen yards total. So either one
Speaker 1: of those guys bringing production to your offense as a
Speaker 1: whole is going to elevate things for for Dak Prescott
Speaker 1: and it We kind of talked about the defense a
Speaker 1: little bit earlier, but I think with this defense being
Speaker 1: as good as they are and with it being one
Speaker 1: of the tops in the NFL, a lot of eyes
Speaker 1: are on the offense to try and match that energy.
Speaker 1: Do you do you have a specific expectation. I hate
Speaker 1: to keep asking about expectations, but do you haven't do
Speaker 1: you have some for the offense on what they could
Speaker 1: bring to the table to try and match what the
Speaker 1: defense has done these last two years. I mean, and
Speaker 1: maybe not even stats, but just in cleanliness with Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy's play caller and Dak trying to take care of
Speaker 1: the football for sure.
Speaker 7: I mean, changing stuff up as long as everyone's on
Speaker 7: the same page should benefit the entire offense. You know,
Speaker 7: obviously losing Ezekiel Elliott and Tony Pollard stepping into that spot,
Speaker 7: there's gonna be a lot of questions about, you know,
Speaker 7: how he handles that and the success that he's able
Speaker 7: to have there. They're going to obviously run the run
Speaker 7: the football. But for me, I mean it's I know
Speaker 7: this sounds basic, but it really is just like, tell
Speaker 7: me if if they're how healthy they're going to be.
Speaker 7: I mean that it's just such a big part of
Speaker 7: the NFL. Injuries are such a big part, and so
Speaker 7: you look at all these playmakers that they have, and
Speaker 7: you look at Dak Prescott, but really, at the end
Speaker 7: of the day, if you tell me that it's going
Speaker 7: to be musical chairs. Again on the offensive line, I
Speaker 7: don't understand how anybody can expect you to be, you know,
Speaker 7: the best offense or one of the top five offenses.
Speaker 7: If you just constantly always have a new five that
Speaker 7: are out there, I think I think people would really
Speaker 7: be surprised at the trickle down that would come if
Speaker 7: you could have those same five starting for an extended
Speaker 7: period of time. Just how many other things that would
Speaker 7: open up? I mean, doing you wrong man covering Like
Speaker 7: those fourteen you know, sixteen teams, they had great offensive
Speaker 7: lines of like they still most for the most part,
Speaker 7: they stayed relatively healthy. You were able to have some
Speaker 7: cohesion there, and so offensive line kind of gets thrown,
Speaker 7: you know, especially this time of year.
Speaker 1: But yeah, the back.
Speaker 6: But it's such a big key to it.
Speaker 7: If you can tell me that they're going to have
Speaker 7: that five, I think everything else falls into place.
Speaker 1: Is that your biggest area of concern, Nick, all terms
Speaker 1: of the offensive line, as far as the offense, in
Speaker 1: just as far as the roster and in a role
Speaker 1: because I think for me it would be mine. I
Speaker 1: would say so because I mean, of course Zach Martin
Speaker 1: not reporting, that's that's a huge deal. But that's gonna
Speaker 1: work itself out, you would hope at some point down
Speaker 1: the line. But the health, just the rotation that they've
Speaker 1: had is not something that is conducive to winning. And
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy's even said that significantly these last couple of years.
Speaker 1: So I think I look at it and I'm saying, okay,
Speaker 1: cornerback check. We feel really good about the death and
Speaker 1: the top end quarterbacks. Same thing with wide receiver running back,
Speaker 1: even without Ezekiel Elliott. I feel good about the running
Speaker 1: back room. But then you get to the offensive line
Speaker 1: and you got some questions. Yeah, and that's that's where
Speaker 1: I have a little bit of worry.
Speaker 8: Me And you were talking about it yesterday. I think
Speaker 8: the key factor to the entire offense being able to
Speaker 8: succeed as Tyron Smith staying healthy, because if he gets hurt,
Speaker 8: then that throws everything in disarray. You know, you said,
Speaker 8: if Tyler Smith gets hurt, we feel like there's a
Speaker 8: guy that can come in and be that replacement and
Speaker 8: you know, not play up to the level of Tyler Smith,
Speaker 8: but be able to play left guard and be all right.
Speaker 8: Terrence Steele he went down last year, they were able
Speaker 8: to figure it out. So Tyron Smith going down, that's
Speaker 8: when you start moving a lot of guys around, That's
Speaker 8: when you start, you know, getting dis rhythm. And I
Speaker 8: think that's that's gonna be the key factor here. He
Speaker 8: hasn't played a full season in a while. I don't
Speaker 8: think he's played more than ten games in a while
Speaker 8: as well, So just being able to keep him on
Speaker 8: the field, especially as the season goes on, that's gonna
Speaker 8: be really important.
Speaker 1: I'm interested, John two. I mean, they got three guys
Speaker 1: you mentioned, all three of them, Terrence Steel, Tyron Smith,
Speaker 1: Tyler Smith, that are all tackles first. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: where they're comfortable playing. I wonder if Terrence were to
Speaker 1: go down, or if Tyron goes down, if it just
Speaker 1: automatically sets off a domino reaction and then the only
Speaker 1: two guys that are set in stone are Tyler Biadash
Speaker 1: at center and Zach Martin at right guard whenever he returns. So,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think either way, if one of those
Speaker 1: guys goes down anywhere, there might be some shifting in involved. Regardless.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Terrence Steele going down would be interesting because, like,
Speaker 7: especially why we're out here right now, this is this
Speaker 7: is a big time a year for Matt will let's go,
Speaker 7: because if he can show, hey, you can count on him.
Speaker 7: Then if Terrence Steele was was you know, was missing
Speaker 7: time or you had to move some things around, you'd
Speaker 7: feel good about that. But if you have questions about, well,
Speaker 7: let's go, then that's where I think it goes back
Speaker 7: to what he said.
Speaker 6: Then it's musical chairs.
Speaker 7: Then Tyron Smith's going over to right, Tyler Smith's going
Speaker 7: out to laugh, you know, and.
Speaker 1: You don't want that.
Speaker 7: You want to be able to keep some continuity there.
Speaker 7: I mean, having all five healthy all season might be
Speaker 7: a little unrealistic, but at least have three or four.
Speaker 8: You know, especially for a running game that's going to
Speaker 8: be you know, needing to get in that rhythm very
Speaker 8: early on behind Tony Pollard and being able to have
Speaker 8: the same front five up there, that's gonna help tremendously
Speaker 8: in that area.
Speaker 1: Oh man, that offensive line worries me at times. I mean,
Speaker 1: because you have so much excitement around the guys that
Speaker 1: we're just talking about with with Jalen and even Michael Gallup,
Speaker 1: who's looked good in the short amount of time that
Speaker 1: we've seen him coming back from injury and having that
Speaker 1: fully healthy offseason. I think you need that offensive line
Speaker 1: to really step up and to be solid. Now, do
Speaker 1: you feel better about the depth at the offensive line
Speaker 1: this year? You mentioned what Matt Will, let's go, Josh
Speaker 1: Balls getting snow it right guard, you feel better about
Speaker 1: the offensive line depth this time around that you did
Speaker 1: at the same point last year.
Speaker 6: I don't think I do. I just need to. I
Speaker 6: just again, that's one of the good things about being
Speaker 6: out here.
Speaker 7: And then the other part is just the preseason games
Speaker 7: that I know can be a beating for people sometimes,
Speaker 7: but there's just a lot of pieces on this team
Speaker 7: that have me looking forward to the preseason to get
Speaker 7: to see, you know, Josh Ball a little bit more
Speaker 7: in pads and Matt Will let's go guys like potentially
Speaker 7: playing with the ones because you're not gonna be throwing
Speaker 7: Tyronsmith out there in preseason games.
Speaker 1: And I'm excited to see Awesome Richards. Yeah, because absolutely
Speaker 1: sure for somebody that I mean, we've we've talked a
Speaker 1: lot about, well, let's go in ball, but I think
Speaker 1: Awesome Richards as a draft pick, we kind of forget
Speaker 1: about him, and we will because they haven't put pads on,
Speaker 1: yet it's not significant enough to really say, Okay, these
Speaker 1: trenches are getting great work in They're they're mostly working
Speaker 1: fundamental and footwork at the moment. But once they put
Speaker 1: the pads on, I hope he starts to shine and
Speaker 1: starts to take a stuff for me.
Speaker 7: Keep given the benefit of doubt to Mike McCarthy too,
Speaker 7: because of the fact that, you know, if you're on Twitter,
Speaker 7: it seems like people want to write off Josh Ball
Speaker 7: or Matt I haven't seen anything right away, but like
Speaker 7: if you look at his track Mike McCarthy's track record
Speaker 7: in Green Pay, they found a lot of outstanding value
Speaker 7: in like the third or fifth rounds in the offensive line.
Speaker 7: So because of that, I'm just kind of in the heck.
Speaker 7: I mean, since he's been with the Cowboys that Darren
Speaker 7: Steele was an undrafted guy. So because of this, I'm
Speaker 7: just like, you gotta be kind of patient, you know,
Speaker 7: like it could click for one of these guys and
Speaker 7: then all of a sudden you have a really good
Speaker 7: offensive lineman that you didn't have to you know, invest
Speaker 7: a ton in. But that's what that's been missing. They've
Speaker 7: been missing that piece to be able to step up.
Speaker 7: So maybe this is the off season or preseason whatever that, well,
Speaker 7: let's go or ball step up.
Speaker 8: And I will say I I haven't seen much from
Speaker 8: him personally, but Steven Jones has talked up Chemii Dooga
Speaker 8: at least twice in a public see before, so you
Speaker 8: know that might be a name from the front office
Speaker 8: to keep an eye on.
Speaker 1: Once we get pads on, I think we'll get a
Speaker 1: better idea too. It's so tough and even yesterday, absolutely
Speaker 1: there was one point when Mazzie Smith was on his
Speaker 1: on his backside at camp and it's like, Okay, everybody's
Speaker 1: looking at it. Everybody's looking at Mahazi. They're like, why
Speaker 1: is he on his back? Like there's no pads. Let's
Speaker 1: let's not get carried away just yet. Yeah, he probably
Speaker 1: needs to stay up off the ground a little bit more,
Speaker 1: but as a first round nose tackle that's supposed to
Speaker 1: do that, I think he needs to get up a
Speaker 1: little bit. But man, I'm excited to see this offensive
Speaker 1: line fully healthy. Let's just let's put it out there
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Speaker 1: here on Talking Cowboys, we do need to talk about
Speaker 1: the guys who aren't healthy going into training camp, and
Speaker 1: we did have a couple injuries here on day one.
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Speaker 1: and we did get to see practice number one. We're
Speaker 1: preparing for practice number two behind us, but we saw
Speaker 1: a pair of safeties go down for the Cowboys. Donovan Wilson,
Speaker 1: Israel Mukuamu, I mean John. Both of those guys were
Speaker 1: expected to do good things this year. Of course, Donovan
Speaker 1: Wilson got a brand new deal, excited to bring him back,
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden he may miss some time.
Speaker 1: But overall, how does this impact the safety room with
Speaker 1: both of those guys leaving in day one?
Speaker 7: Yeah, you don't want that, but I will say they're
Speaker 7: in a much better situation than they were three four
Speaker 7: years ago.
Speaker 6: I wrote a story.
Speaker 7: About how not not only did the Cowboys have like
Speaker 7: the lowest investment at the safety position in the division,
Speaker 7: it was the entire NFL. And so they are more
Speaker 7: equipped now than ever. This is the best safety group
Speaker 7: since I've covered the team, for sure, and so I mean,
Speaker 7: it sucks to lose those guys.
Speaker 6: I think Donovan Wilson. It's being reported four.
Speaker 7: To six weeks, so should be back for the opener,
Speaker 7: which is obviously that's the number one thing that you
Speaker 7: care about there, Mukuamu with the hamstring. I don't know
Speaker 7: the severity of that, but I just feel like they're
Speaker 7: kind of in a good spot because of Marquise Bell,
Speaker 7: who immediately jumped out in there and just you know,
Speaker 7: and talking to people.
Speaker 6: They're just very high in Marquis Bell and what he
Speaker 6: can do.
Speaker 7: And so because you have you known curse already back
Speaker 7: there and you have Malie Hooker, it just it sucks.
Speaker 7: But it's a position where they can afford it a
Speaker 7: little bit more than maybe some other positions. But yeah,
Speaker 7: I mean, this is the time of year when you
Speaker 7: just you hate to be out there watching practice. I know,
Speaker 7: you guys are doing a show live or next thing,
Speaker 7: you know, there's someone in the cart. You just never
Speaker 7: want to see the cart, you know, because you never
Speaker 7: know the severity of it.
Speaker 6: You don't know if it's.
Speaker 7: Something you know that could be just a couple of weeks,
Speaker 7: or it's something that ends the season. And so fortunately
Speaker 7: it doesn't sound like it's anything like that, but you
Speaker 7: don't want to lose anybody. Also, I need to add
Speaker 7: in there. We were just talking about this during one
Speaker 7: of the breaks, that this is the best that these
Speaker 7: practice fields have looked. So for anybody that's out there
Speaker 7: thinking like, oh, maybe it's just they're playing on some
Speaker 7: bad fields, that's not the case. I mean, these are
Speaker 7: top shape. There's been some times I've been out here
Speaker 7: where I was like, man, it's kind of rough out here,
Speaker 7: especially after a first couple of practices. These are the
Speaker 7: best the fields have looked, and you would rather the
Speaker 7: guys be this time of year beyond grass too.
Speaker 1: I heard a rumor, just a rumor, but apparently somebody
Speaker 1: came in from that does World Cup pitch the pitch
Speaker 1: for soccer. They come in and they've redone this whole field,
Speaker 1: and so I mean, for the most part, it's immaculate
Speaker 1: out there. We were, I mean, Nick Harris and I
Speaker 1: if you saw it on Cowboys stories on the Cowboys. Now,
Speaker 1: app we're playing playing catch baseball. Wise, we'll have to
Speaker 1: join us at some point. We'll get I got an
Speaker 1: extra glove we brought it. Don't worry, you're good. But
Speaker 1: we were playing catch out there, and it's it's almost
Speaker 1: like a fair way or a green like it's incredibly
Speaker 1: taken care of. So I agree with you. I think
Speaker 1: that's a great point to add that these guys going
Speaker 1: down it's not because of the playing surface. It's it's
Speaker 1: a legitimate thing. But also I'm sure for these players
Speaker 1: it's it's that security blanket for themselves personally saying okay,
Speaker 1: like we can be steady and where we're putting our
Speaker 1: feet and where we're doing this footwork and where we're
Speaker 1: going through these drills, because sometimes if you are on
Speaker 1: an uneven playing surface, you don't get that same level
Speaker 1: of work.
Speaker 8: In I will say I think at least from the
Speaker 8: early impressions from these two injuries, I don't think either
Speaker 8: of them are going to carry into the season. So
Speaker 8: you know, getting getting experienced for these guys in the
Speaker 8: depth of that room that can only help, especially in
Speaker 8: the preseason.
Speaker 9: You know, we might see a guy.
Speaker 8: That plays all four quarters, so you know, a guy
Speaker 8: like Marquispell that this is gonna be very valuable experience
Speaker 8: for him and being able to step in and you
Speaker 8: know he's kind of a verstle defensive back anyway, so
Speaker 8: he could kind of fill in multiple spots and have
Speaker 8: that experience.
Speaker 1: A lot of comparisons whenever he was picked up last
Speaker 1: year as a undrafted free agent, was Jayron Curse. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's got some size to him, He's above six foot,
Speaker 1: he's athletic, he can make the coverage plays like jay
Speaker 1: Ron can against tight ends. But can he come in
Speaker 1: and play that over the top safety look like we've
Speaker 1: seen from Donovan Wilson that enforce a role where he's
Speaker 1: able to come down into the box every now and again.
Speaker 6: That's a good question. I think we got to find
Speaker 6: out a little bit more.
Speaker 7: But yeah, he helped get every opportunity now because even
Speaker 7: when those guys come back, they're gonna be careful with them, sure,
Speaker 7: and so if you're well, you got to be loving
Speaker 7: this opportunity to run with the ones and get a
Speaker 7: chance to go against you know.
Speaker 6: A really good wide receiver crew.
Speaker 7: So, I mean, I don't know for sure, but he's
Speaker 7: gonna get ever opportunity to find out.
Speaker 8: And there's a lot of defensive backs in this room
Speaker 8: that are versatile. I mean, that's what dan Quinn preaches,
Speaker 8: and I think being able to kind of play into
Speaker 8: that versatility as much as possible moving some guys that
Speaker 8: are more comfortable with Nickel and maybe get them some
Speaker 8: safety time. Again, it can only help in the long run.
Speaker 1: With Donovan Wilson signing the new deal. And then you
Speaker 1: have Israel mcwhamoo, who of course is fighting for rotational
Speaker 1: purposes and fighting to try and stay on the roster
Speaker 1: and stay relevant, not that he was necessarily on the
Speaker 1: cut line. Who do you think needed this camp more?
Speaker 1: And I'll even throw in a couple extra names, a
Speaker 1: couple of Michigan guys, Jordan Lewis who will start the
Speaker 1: season on pupp the Physically unable to perform list. And
Speaker 1: then you've got Luke Schoonmaker, the rookie second round pick
Speaker 1: at tight end who will start with the NFI and
Speaker 1: dealing with a foot injury. Out of those four players,
Speaker 1: Israel mcwamu, Donovan Wilson, j Jordan Lewis, and Luke Schoomaker
Speaker 1: who needed a full camp of work more to try
Speaker 1: and make an impact on this football.
Speaker 9: Team, I think we might have the same answer. We'll
Speaker 9: let you go.
Speaker 7: Yeah, for me, it's not even closed. It's Luke Schoonmaker, Okay, Yeah?
Speaker 7: Why is that just because you don't have Dalton Schultz anymore,
Speaker 7: and he if he's out there for every single thing
Speaker 7: and uh contributing and he's on the same page with
Speaker 7: Dak Prescott, he's got a chance to get a ton
Speaker 7: of playing time. And for the others, like for like
Speaker 7: Jordan Lewis, I just look at him as a guy
Speaker 7: that he's a veteran, Like it's kind of like the
Speaker 7: Zach Martin thing.
Speaker 6: I understand, Like, you know when you show.
Speaker 7: Up here and people like Zach Martin's not there, Like
Speaker 7: this guy's falling and I'm just kind of sitting there
Speaker 7: and like guys like when it matters, he'll be here.
Speaker 6: It's not it's not just the money.
Speaker 7: I feel like it's also his bond with this team
Speaker 7: and stuff like that, like when the when the games matter,
Speaker 7: he'll be here. Like So that's kind of how I
Speaker 7: feel about Jordan Lewis. He's a veteran and and everything
Speaker 7: will He'll figure everything out. But the Luke Scoomaker thing
Speaker 7: just makes me think of of Jalen Tolbert last year.
Speaker 7: You know, we we were in the OTAs in mini camp.
Speaker 7: He's dealing with I think was a foot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you had a little bit of a
Speaker 1: foot all.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and just I don't know when you're a rookie
Speaker 7: like that, especially in the spot where like you can
Speaker 7: come in right away and possible win a starting job,
Speaker 7: you know that that that's a little bit of alarming.
Speaker 7: And then there's a little bit of an injury history
Speaker 7: there too with him. And then I also think just
Speaker 7: because of the style that he is coming from playing
Speaker 7: in college, that he translates that if he's out here,
Speaker 7: I think he could hit the ground running.
Speaker 9: So that's very valid.
Speaker 8: But I feel like the leash is a lot longer
Speaker 8: for Luke just because obviously he's coming in as a rookie,
Speaker 8: whereas Jordan Lewis, I feel like that leash is much
Speaker 8: much shorter. You know, Dern Bland came in last year, wow,
Speaker 8: wowed everybody, and you know, now now there's a competition
Speaker 8: there and you know Jordan needs to it needs to
Speaker 8: be on the field showing, showing his value. So my
Speaker 8: answer would be Jordan Lewis just because I feel like
Speaker 8: there's a sense of urgency there now, whereas with Schoonmaker,
Speaker 8: I don't feel like the urgency really needs to be
Speaker 8: there necessarily granted being able to come in rookie and
Speaker 8: win a starting job. Definitely, that would be fantastic for him.
Speaker 8: And this is his best opportunity to do that, and
Speaker 8: the earlier he can get on the field is the
Speaker 8: best way he can.
Speaker 1: So do you think Jordan Lewis, I mean, with the
Speaker 1: addition of Bland into the mix, and then I mean
Speaker 1: there's no Anthony Brown at training camp this year either
Speaker 1: you bring in another corner in Eric Scott Junior, you
Speaker 1: think he's at least on that that watch of I
Speaker 1: need to be on the practice field to make this team.
Speaker 8: And to talking about Jordan Lewis, yeah, I think as
Speaker 8: far as making the team, it's just as far as
Speaker 8: you know, if Deron Bland gets that starting nod week
Speaker 8: one and he picks up right where he left off
Speaker 8: last year, why.
Speaker 9: Do you fix it if it's not broken?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 8: So I think that's kind of how you look at
Speaker 8: it from a coaching staff perspective. I don't think his
Speaker 8: roster spots in jeopardy by any means, but his his
Speaker 8: starting job's definitely in jeopardy.
Speaker 1: And John, you talked about well Scoot Luke scooonmaker and
Speaker 1: getting off to a hot start. I mean if he's
Speaker 1: if he's fighting for a starting job against Jake Ferguson
Speaker 1: and Peyton Endershot, that's one thing, But it sounds like
Speaker 1: from a veteran standpoint, Jordan Lewis coming in, he's fighting
Speaker 1: for a starting spot with a younger player than he is,
Speaker 1: and so it's kind of an interesting one too. One
Speaker 1: of them is the rookie trying to establish himself, the
Speaker 1: other one is the veteran trying to stay established. So
Speaker 1: both of the answers are certainly valid. I'm I'm kind
Speaker 1: of torn in in the middle of it, though, because
Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis, if he were playing at the level of
Speaker 1: Trayvon Diggs, that's one thing, and having a bit of
Speaker 1: an injury and then he's gonna be fine. He'll come back.
Speaker 1: That starting spots his no matter what. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you can necessarily say he was playing that level
Speaker 1: of football that at the point where he got hurt.
Speaker 1: I know he got hurt on an interception, but yeah,
Speaker 1: going into it, it was kind of an interesting timing
Speaker 1: of the whole deal.
Speaker 6: So I would probably feel a little bit different about that.
Speaker 7: If let's say Dan Quinn took a head coaching job
Speaker 7: this past offseason, okay, but because he's back, I just
Speaker 7: he's been great with moving guys around, using him in
Speaker 7: different roles, and just with Jordan Lewis, I know that
Speaker 7: dan Quinn's a fan of his. The way that he's
Speaker 7: able to use him sometimes as a blitzer, I just
Speaker 7: find like, yeah, with obviously, if Bland keeps playing well,
Speaker 7: you're gonna have him out in the field. But I
Speaker 7: just I find it I feel like dan Quinn's going
Speaker 7: to find a way to get Jordan Lewis on the
Speaker 7: field if he's healthy. He's a savvy veteran. He'll use
Speaker 7: him in some different packages. But no question what you
Speaker 7: said is I completely agree with on the around Blank
Speaker 7: keeps playing like that, you can't take him off the
Speaker 7: field and that will cut into Jordan Lewis's playing time absolutely.
Speaker 6: But I don't know. Maybe maybe I'm just a bigger.
Speaker 7: Jordan Lewis fan than others, but I think I just
Speaker 7: think he's he brings like intangibles that you know in
Speaker 7: the locker room on the field, and then he just
Speaker 7: can do a variety of things, not just as as
Speaker 7: a dB, but also you know, playing downhill and stuff
Speaker 7: like that.
Speaker 6: So I think that they'll be some type of a
Speaker 6: role for him.
Speaker 1: Yep, it'll be certainly interesting. Now before we wrap up
Speaker 1: on our first talking Cowboys will be back on Monday.
Speaker 1: By the way, nine am Pacific time, eleven am Central time,
Speaker 1: Isaiah will join us. I want you to give me
Speaker 1: one player to watch. One player you're watching on the
Speaker 1: field non starter in training camp. Then I want everybody
Speaker 1: that's listening to go and do their homework.
Speaker 7: On It's funny because if they were about to be
Speaker 7: in pads. The very first person I was going to
Speaker 7: say was Mazi. Oh everybody, because doing these shows and
Speaker 7: writing stories about this team, it's your first round pick,
Speaker 7: and everybody.
Speaker 6: Wants to know it was the first round pick, Like,
Speaker 6: what's the first round pick look like?
Speaker 7: Well, when you don't have pads on, it's hard to
Speaker 7: really evaluate the defensive tackle. And then other part is
Speaker 7: that you were hoping that Zach Meyer would be out
Speaker 7: here going against him, and maybe that will eventually happen
Speaker 7: sooner than later. But of a non starter. I hate
Speaker 7: to just go back to Jalen Tolbert, but that's just
Speaker 7: a player that coming in. I just I've really wanted
Speaker 7: to see how he fits in because I think he
Speaker 7: can have a pretty big role. But yeah, for me,
Speaker 7: it's on the offense. It's it's a it's a Jalen Tolbert,
Speaker 7: or it's any of those running backs behind Tony Poller.
Speaker 8: Okay, yeah, absolute, I'm gonna give you one on each
Speaker 8: side of the ball, and both are rookies. I'm gonna
Speaker 8: start with Demarveon Overshown just because the linebacking corps.
Speaker 9: I feel like there's an opportunity for him there.
Speaker 8: He feels like there's an opportunity to start there coming
Speaker 8: out of training camp. So to Marveon Overshown, you know,
Speaker 8: he's he's got it. He's got it up here, and
Speaker 8: you know the coaches have loved what he's been able
Speaker 8: to bring to both the locker room and the field
Speaker 8: so far. So definitely a guy I'm keeping an eye on.
Speaker 8: And then I know I set it in our Camping
Speaker 8: Out podcast, But Jalen Moreno Cropper, I think that is
Speaker 8: a guy. By the end of training camp, we're gonna
Speaker 8: start factoring into some conversations. So he's He's had a
Speaker 8: lot of production at Fresno State. Fresno State has obviously
Speaker 8: produced some fantastic receivers in the NFL.
Speaker 9: I think I think he's going to be the next
Speaker 9: in line.
Speaker 1: Yet.
Speaker 9: Phenomenal Day one, Phenomenal Day one.
Speaker 1: You checked the boxes on day one. Uh to get
Speaker 1: that done. By the way, Chris Beam had a phenomenal
Speaker 1: shot of in the end zone. It's on Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 1: social got all gamer in the back. He's not just
Speaker 1: a podcast man, he's a camera man too. He does
Speaker 1: it all. But yeah, no, it was a phenomenal, phenomenal catch,
Speaker 1: drag both feet, it was no question touchdown. We went
Speaker 1: under further review of Chris Beam's phenomenal shot. It was
Speaker 1: a grab. So uh yeah. Excited to see what jaylen
Speaker 1: moreno Cropper. It seems like every year there's an undrafted
Speaker 1: free agent wide receiver that emerges. Last year Dennis Houston.
Speaker 1: This year might be jayalen moreno Cropper. I'm gonna stick
Speaker 1: with with who I said in the Camping Down podcast.
Speaker 1: Both of these guys had great day ones. Eric Scott Junior,
Speaker 1: who had the interception, had a couple of PBUs as
Speaker 1: a rookie. I just think he has those intangibles. He
Speaker 1: has at that athleticism that Dan Quinn loves and I
Speaker 1: think even if he doesn't necessarily find his way into
Speaker 1: the corner rotation, I think he'll be an impact player
Speaker 1: on special teams and then on the offensive side. I'm
Speaker 1: looking at tight end John Stevens from Louisiana LAFIATT. He's
Speaker 1: an undrafted free agent. They call him stretch, and there's
Speaker 1: two reasons for that. He's got some size he's above
Speaker 1: six y three, but then he's also he can stretch
Speaker 1: the field a little bit, so they call him stretch
Speaker 1: within the locker room. So keep an eye on John
Speaker 1: Stevens to see what he can do going into year
Speaker 1: number one. But that's gonna do it. For episode one
Speaker 1: of Talking Cowboys here in twenty twenty three, be sure
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