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Speaker 2: the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.

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Speaker 3: This He's Talking Cowboys Training live from Dallas Cowboys Training

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Speaker 3: Camp in Oxnard, Caliso.

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Speaker 4: Street, sextown, six seconds, got ten, twenty Today, Texdown.

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Speaker 5: And now your hosts Isaiah Stanback, Nick Harris, John Mashoda,

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Speaker 5: and Kyle Yeomans.

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Speaker 1: For the first time in the twenty twenty three season,

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Speaker 1: we welcome you to Talking Cowboys, presented by Black Rifle

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Speaker 1: Coffee Company. We are on site here in Oxnard, California

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Speaker 1: for training Camp twenty twenty three. We've got some new

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Speaker 1: players to talk about. We've got some new hosts to

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Speaker 1: talk about as well. I'm Kyle Yeomans back here for

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Speaker 1: what is now going to be my fourth season on

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Speaker 1: Talking Cowboys, which is crazy for me to say, because

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Speaker 1: I still feel like the newbie sometimes around these parts.

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Speaker 1: We've got Nick Harris, who's going into season number one,

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Speaker 1: but you've been on the show a couple times before.

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Speaker 1: We got Chris Beam in the back who's been here forever.

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Speaker 1: But I do want to welcome to the show for

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Speaker 1: the first time ever, mister John Machoda from the athletic.

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Speaker 1: What's going on?

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Speaker 6: John not Man living the dream?

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Speaker 7: I don't know that there's anybody that loves coming out

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Speaker 1: What's your favorite part about being out here?

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Speaker 7: I should say the weather, but for me, it's really

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Speaker 7: the social media because the policies that they allow out

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Speaker 7: videos and things like that, that's probably my actual favorite part.

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Speaker 7: But I mean, yeah, obviously this weather is incredible, and

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Speaker 1: Is what year is this for you?

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Speaker 6: That's a good question.

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Speaker 7: So I didn't get hired full time until twenty fourteen,

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Speaker 7: but I was coming out to camp. I started coming

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Speaker 7: it was you know, the entire camp and every home

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Speaker 6: So every year since twenty fourteen, I'd say, yeah, that's awesome.

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Speaker 1: Nick, So I mean, this is your first camp, first impression.

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Speaker 8: So far, it's been fantastic. I will say the weather,

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Speaker 8: it's fantastic. It's a much different, much different ray than

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Speaker 8: what we get in Dallas. But yeah, it's been fun

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Speaker 8: so far. Hasn't been short of any drama, and I

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Speaker 1: That's the that's the tease of all teases. It hasn't

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Speaker 1: been short of drama already. We've got some things to

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Speaker 1: talk about but before so, I mean, this is a

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Speaker 1: bit of a switch up of course for those of

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Speaker 1: you who normally tune into Talking Cowboys. We will not

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Speaker 1: have Patrick Walker on the show this year, and he

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Speaker 1: makes the jump to the break and congrats to Pat

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Speaker 1: grow in his role at Dallas Cowboys dot Com. We

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Speaker 1: still love Patrick and he's already told me today he

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Speaker 1: sure Nate will probably do while we're out here as well.

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Speaker 1: We will have Isaiah Standback on the show throughout training camp.

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Speaker 1: He should get here this weekend, and so that'll be

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Speaker 1: a lot of fun going into next week. We'll have

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Speaker 7: For me, probably the best thing was I went back

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Speaker 7: There's clearly like, like my favorite sport to play has

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Speaker 7: That was in twenty eleven and the Rangers were rolling

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Speaker 7: So I got to go out to Valley Ranch and

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Speaker 7: And I was at that in my mind, I was like,

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Speaker 1: That's awesome and you do great work. I mean I've

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Speaker 1: I've told people, Yeah, I've told people this before, but

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Speaker 1: Like it's just barely scratching. Honestly, both of these guys.

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Speaker 1: great shoe game. But Nick, I mean, tell me what

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Speaker 8: I would say my one highlight from the summer non

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Speaker 9: So it was it was a fantastic time.

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Speaker 8: Obviously, and I had my wallet stolen, had my wallet

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Speaker 8: Was the highlight of my summer exactly, but never did

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Speaker 8: But fortunately, exactly right, I was gonna be hiding in

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Speaker 1: that wouldn't have worked out. That wouldn't have worked out

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Speaker 1: this time. But that's awesome, very nice. It was that

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Speaker 8: No, it wasn't, but it was my first time spending

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Speaker 1: So yeah, that's awesome. Yeah are you going back? Oh?

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Speaker 9: Absolutely absolutely? Yeah I had too much.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, beamer is is, Yeah, you might have lost game one,

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Speaker 7: It's it's gonna be funny though, like when when the

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Speaker 8: So I actually wrote about it in one of my

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Speaker 1: right now and they're like, you're not in a one

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Speaker 1: hundred and four degree You're able to go outside and

440
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Speaker 1: it doesn't feel like you're in a hair dryer. I agree.

441
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Speaker 1: But it is still hot at times, especially the sun.

442
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Speaker 1: If you want you want to ask anybody, consult my

443
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Speaker 1: forehead on how hot it gets out here. It does

444
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Speaker 1: still get hot. I guarantee it all right. Speaking of

445
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Speaker 1: getting hot, Jalen Tolbert seems to be getting hot at

446
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Speaker 1: the right time. See what I did there, Nick the

447
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Speaker 1: the the rookie year for Jalen Tolbert, no secret, it

448
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Speaker 1: was underwhelming significantly, and I think for for everybody that

449
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Speaker 1: was around him watching film once the draft happened, they

450
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Speaker 1: expected him to come in and possibly be the number

451
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Speaker 1: three receiver as a rookie, but John that didn't happen. Instead,

452
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Speaker 1: he's he's taking a new approach. It seems like he

453
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Speaker 1: talked to Nick Eatman at the Senior Bowl. He had

454
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Speaker 1: a great interview there, talked about how the mindset needs

455
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Speaker 1: to change, and it looks like it has. But he's

456
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Speaker 1: starting to show it in training camp already through is

457
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Speaker 1: just one practice the same way he did in the summer.

458
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Speaker 1: With OTA's and mini camp. I think he's he's on

459
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Speaker 1: the right track to possibly take that number four spot.

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Speaker 1: And as a former third round pick, do you think

461
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Speaker 1: he has the edge? Yeah?

462
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Speaker 7: I do, and I think not only is he doing

463
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Speaker 7: all the right things and saying all the right things,

464
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Speaker 7: like this is with certain players, Like it's not like

465
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Speaker 7: every single guy says the right thing, does the right thing,

466
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Speaker 7: it's doing the right preparation. There's certain things that I'm

467
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Speaker 7: not going to name any players' names over the years

468
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Speaker 7: covering the team, but there's certain guys where you're just like,

469
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Speaker 7: I wonder how serious this players even taking this. That's

470
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Speaker 7: not the case with Jalen told at all. And that

471
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Speaker 7: goes back to you know, OTA's in mini camp, just

472
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Speaker 7: when you're around him talking to him, and then obviously

473
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Speaker 7: during that portion between that ending and then training camp starting.

474
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Speaker 7: You see he's out there with Dak, he's working out,

475
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Speaker 7: you know, as much as possible, trying to be you know,

476
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Speaker 7: a sponge. And for me personally from what we do,

477
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Speaker 7: I just really liked how he owned up to it,

478
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Speaker 7: you know that, Hey, it wasn't like trying to. There's

479
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Speaker 7: just some guys that will try and act like it's

480
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Speaker 7: all that you know, you guys are just hating them.

481
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Speaker 7: It's like now, I mean it was there, you didn't

482
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Speaker 7: really make that big of an impact, And he totally

483
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Speaker 7: owned up to it. And so the mindset absolutely seems

484
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Speaker 7: to be there. And again the way that he started

485
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Speaker 7: out yesterday I just think is a great start for him.

486
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Speaker 7: So yeah, absolutely, I think you know that number four

487
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Speaker 7: spot right now. I think it's up between you know,

488
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Speaker 7: him and him and Simmi Filoko. And the other part

489
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Speaker 7: of is that when you take a guy in the

490
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Speaker 7: third round, you're gonna give that guy every opportunity to

491
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Speaker 7: try and win that job.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: Absolutely, And you you mentioned him just kind of finding

494
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Speaker 8: a different level of maturity. I think that's that's probably

495
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Speaker 8: what we see most whenever we talk to Jay Win Tolbert,

496
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Speaker 8: That's what we hear most out of him, and you

497
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Speaker 8: could tell it No tis for sure, you know he

498
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Speaker 8: was on the same page. It seemed like he was

499
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Speaker 8: talking to more guys in the offense and just another

500
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Speaker 8: level of understanding. And I also think Mike McCarthy taking

501
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Speaker 8: over his play caller kind of allowing him to just

502
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Speaker 8: reset completely. I think that really benefits him the most,

503
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Speaker 8: just because of how disappointing his rookie season was.

504
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Speaker 9: And he would even tell you that.

505
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Speaker 8: So being able to come in with a fresh system,

506
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Speaker 8: a fresh mindset, fully healthy, you know, getting on the

507
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Speaker 8: same page with your quarterback, that can only help him.

508
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Speaker 8: And after practice one he's the guy. So you know,

509
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Speaker 8: as far as we can tell, he's the guy right now,

510
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Speaker 8: What is.

511
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Speaker 1: Real What is a realistic expectation for for Tolvert specifically,

512
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Speaker 1: because if he does win the wide receivers for spot,

513
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Speaker 1: let's let's assume that he's in a rotation. I mean

514
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Speaker 1: in an offense where there is Michael Gallup, there is

515
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Speaker 1: Brandon Cooks, who, hey, he has been working with significantly

516
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Speaker 1: and he's latched onto. Uh. That's what Brian Schottenheimer told

517
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Speaker 1: us and told the media after OTA's were over. But

518
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Speaker 1: there's there's three names with Michael Gallup, Brandon Cooks and

519
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Speaker 1: of course Ceedee Lamb that are going to get some

520
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Speaker 1: some targets that are going to get that those reps.

521
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Speaker 1: But if he does win that number four spot, does

522
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Speaker 1: he need to be an impact player or what is

523
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Speaker 1: that expectation there?

524
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Speaker 7: Well, if you say that those first three are going

525
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Speaker 7: to stay completely healthy, then the expectations probably can be

526
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Speaker 7: a little bit lower because just the touches aren't going

527
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Speaker 7: to be there, the opportunities aren't going to be there.

528
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Speaker 7: But I mean there's gonna be opportunities for him because

529
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Speaker 7: even if let's say a guy isn't lost for you know,

530
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Speaker 7: the season or something like that, there's gonna be times

531
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Speaker 7: in games where a guy gets dinged up. And if

532
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Speaker 7: you're that number four receiver in today's NFL, I mean

533
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Speaker 7: you got to be preparing like almost your starter. They're

534
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Speaker 7: just gonna be so many opportunities there for you. So

535
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Speaker 7: I mean, yeah, as they say here today, I mean

536
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Speaker 7: they would love that. Yeah, you know, we need a Jalen,

537
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Speaker 7: but we didn't need him a ton because those top

538
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Speaker 7: three guys never got hurt. You know, That's yeah, you'd

539
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Speaker 7: hope for that, but let's be realistic here.

540
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Speaker 1: It kind of reminds me of Cedric Wilson.

541
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Speaker 7: Wilson, Noah Brown. There's always been a guy that you know.

542
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Speaker 7: And then the way the NFL keeps going, it's going

543
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Speaker 7: in that direction. You need four or five quality wide receivers.

544
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Speaker 6: What's a good season for him and fifty fifteen hundred yards?

545
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Speaker 1: No, Wow, he'd be comeback Player of the Year exactly

546
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Speaker 1: if he did something like that.

547
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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's a good question.

548
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Speaker 1: If he hits twenty receptions, I agree, honestly, and the

549
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Speaker 1: yardist will come. I mean, if you have twenty receptions,

550
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Speaker 1: you're probably gonna have two hundred something yards touchdowns, probably

551
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Speaker 1: three or four touchdowns if he can make an impact

552
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Speaker 1: from a reception standpoint, Because you also got to throw

553
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Speaker 1: the tight ends into the mix as well. I mean,

554
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Speaker 1: the expectations for this offense is they want to run

555
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Speaker 1: the ball, But this is an offense then right now

556
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Speaker 1: in terms of the talent is set up to throw

557
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Speaker 1: it for sure. I mean, you've got so many receivers,

558
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Speaker 1: you have these young tight ends that you want to

559
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Speaker 1: unleash at some point as well. He's gonna have to

560
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Speaker 1: find those receptions somewhere. So I would think twenty twenty

561
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Speaker 1: five receptions would be a solid year.

562
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Speaker 7: And of course it's that you know, people go back

563
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Speaker 7: to that play in Green Bay. You know, you got

564
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Speaker 7: to be in the right spot, can't line up off sides,

565
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Speaker 7: things like that that you know, it has to be

566
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Speaker 7: fundamentally sound. And if that happens, I think everything else

567
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Speaker 7: kind of take care of itself.

568
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Speaker 8: Yeah, no lapses in discipline and just doing your job.

569
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Speaker 8: I think that's that's all you can do as a

570
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Speaker 8: wide receiver.

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Speaker 9: Four two.

572
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Speaker 1: Well, you also look at what he did last year.

573
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Speaker 1: I mean he had what two receptions I think for

574
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Speaker 1: twenty yards and nine yards that's what it was. Two

575
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Speaker 1: receptions for nine yards. Siemi Fojoco had three receptions for

576
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Speaker 1: I think it was eighteen yards total. So either one

577
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Speaker 1: of those guys bringing production to your offense as a

578
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Speaker 1: whole is going to elevate things for for Dak Prescott

579
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Speaker 1: and it We kind of talked about the defense a

580
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Speaker 1: little bit earlier, but I think with this defense being

581
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Speaker 1: as good as they are and with it being one

582
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Speaker 1: of the tops in the NFL, a lot of eyes

583
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Speaker 1: are on the offense to try and match that energy.

584
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Speaker 1: Do you do you have a specific expectation. I hate

585
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Speaker 1: to keep asking about expectations, but do you haven't do

586
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Speaker 1: you have some for the offense on what they could

587
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Speaker 1: bring to the table to try and match what the

588
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Speaker 1: defense has done these last two years. I mean, and

589
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Speaker 1: maybe not even stats, but just in cleanliness with Mike

590
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Speaker 1: McCarthy's play caller and Dak trying to take care of

591
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Speaker 1: the football for sure.

592
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Speaker 7: I mean, changing stuff up as long as everyone's on

593
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Speaker 7: the same page should benefit the entire offense. You know,

594
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Speaker 7: obviously losing Ezekiel Elliott and Tony Pollard stepping into that spot,

595
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Speaker 7: there's gonna be a lot of questions about, you know,

596
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Speaker 7: how he handles that and the success that he's able

597
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Speaker 7: to have there. They're going to obviously run the run

598
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Speaker 7: the football. But for me, I mean it's I know

599
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Speaker 7: this sounds basic, but it really is just like, tell

600
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Speaker 7: me if if they're how healthy they're going to be.

601
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Speaker 7: I mean that it's just such a big part of

602
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Speaker 7: the NFL. Injuries are such a big part, and so

603
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Speaker 7: you look at all these playmakers that they have, and

604
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 7: you look at Dak Prescott, but really, at the end

605
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:10,959
Speaker 7: of the day, if you tell me that it's going

606
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Speaker 7: to be musical chairs. Again on the offensive line, I

607
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Speaker 7: don't understand how anybody can expect you to be, you know,

608
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Speaker 7: the best offense or one of the top five offenses.

609
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Speaker 7: If you just constantly always have a new five that

610
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Speaker 7: are out there, I think I think people would really

611
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Speaker 7: be surprised at the trickle down that would come if

612
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Speaker 7: you could have those same five starting for an extended

613
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Speaker 7: period of time. Just how many other things that would

614
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Speaker 7: open up? I mean, doing you wrong man covering Like

615
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Speaker 7: those fourteen you know, sixteen teams, they had great offensive

616
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Speaker 7: lines of like they still most for the most part,

617
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Speaker 7: they stayed relatively healthy. You were able to have some

618
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Speaker 7: cohesion there, and so offensive line kind of gets thrown,

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Speaker 7: you know, especially this time of year.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, the back.

621
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Speaker 6: But it's such a big key to it.

622
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Speaker 7: If you can tell me that they're going to have

623
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Speaker 7: that five, I think everything else falls into place.

624
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Speaker 1: Is that your biggest area of concern, Nick, all terms

625
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Speaker 1: of the offensive line, as far as the offense, in

626
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Speaker 1: just as far as the roster and in a role

627
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Speaker 1: because I think for me it would be mine. I

628
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Speaker 1: would say so because I mean, of course Zach Martin

629
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Speaker 1: not reporting, that's that's a huge deal. But that's gonna

630
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Speaker 1: work itself out, you would hope at some point down

631
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Speaker 1: the line. But the health, just the rotation that they've

632
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,399
Speaker 1: had is not something that is conducive to winning. And

633
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Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy's even said that significantly these last couple of years.

634
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Speaker 1: So I think I look at it and I'm saying, okay,

635
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,160
Speaker 1: cornerback check. We feel really good about the death and

636
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,440
Speaker 1: the top end quarterbacks. Same thing with wide receiver running back,

637
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 1: even without Ezekiel Elliott. I feel good about the running

638
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 1: back room. But then you get to the offensive line

639
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 1: and you got some questions. Yeah, and that's that's where

640
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:37,400
Speaker 1: I have a little bit of worry.

641
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Speaker 8: Me And you were talking about it yesterday. I think

642
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 8: the key factor to the entire offense being able to

643
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Speaker 8: succeed as Tyron Smith staying healthy, because if he gets hurt,

644
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,120
Speaker 8: then that throws everything in disarray. You know, you said,

645
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 8: if Tyler Smith gets hurt, we feel like there's a

646
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Speaker 8: guy that can come in and be that replacement and

647
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Speaker 8: you know, not play up to the level of Tyler Smith,

648
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,200
Speaker 8: but be able to play left guard and be all right.

649
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:58,400
Speaker 8: Terrence Steele he went down last year, they were able

650
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 8: to figure it out. So Tyron Smith going down, that's

651
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 8: when you start moving a lot of guys around, That's

652
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,159
Speaker 8: when you start, you know, getting dis rhythm. And I

653
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 8: think that's that's gonna be the key factor here. He

654
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 8: hasn't played a full season in a while. I don't

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Speaker 8: think he's played more than ten games in a while

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Speaker 8: as well, So just being able to keep him on

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Speaker 8: the field, especially as the season goes on, that's gonna

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Speaker 8: be really important.

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Speaker 1: I'm interested, John two. I mean, they got three guys

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Speaker 1: you mentioned, all three of them, Terrence Steel, Tyron Smith,

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Speaker 1: Tyler Smith, that are all tackles first. I mean, that's

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Speaker 1: where they're comfortable playing. I wonder if Terrence were to

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Speaker 1: go down, or if Tyron goes down, if it just

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Speaker 1: automatically sets off a domino reaction and then the only

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Speaker 1: two guys that are set in stone are Tyler Biadash

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Speaker 1: at center and Zach Martin at right guard whenever he returns. So,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think either way, if one of those

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Speaker 1: guys goes down anywhere, there might be some shifting in involved. Regardless.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, Terrence Steele going down would be interesting because, like,

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Speaker 7: especially why we're out here right now, this is this

671
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Speaker 7: is a big time a year for Matt will let's go,

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Speaker 7: because if he can show, hey, you can count on him.

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Speaker 7: Then if Terrence Steele was was you know, was missing

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Speaker 7: time or you had to move some things around, you'd

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Speaker 7: feel good about that. But if you have questions about, well,

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Speaker 7: let's go, then that's where I think it goes back

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Speaker 7: to what he said.

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Speaker 6: Then it's musical chairs.

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Speaker 7: Then Tyron Smith's going over to right, Tyler Smith's going

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Speaker 7: out to laugh, you know, and.

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Speaker 1: You don't want that.

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Speaker 7: You want to be able to keep some continuity there.

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Speaker 7: I mean, having all five healthy all season might be

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Speaker 7: a little unrealistic, but at least have three or four.

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Speaker 8: You know, especially for a running game that's going to

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Speaker 8: be you know, needing to get in that rhythm very

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Speaker 8: early on behind Tony Pollard and being able to have

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Speaker 8: the same front five up there, that's gonna help tremendously

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Speaker 8: in that area.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, that offensive line worries me at times. I mean,

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Speaker 1: because you have so much excitement around the guys that

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Speaker 1: we're just talking about with with Jalen and even Michael Gallup,

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Speaker 1: who's looked good in the short amount of time that

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Speaker 1: we've seen him coming back from injury and having that

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Speaker 1: fully healthy offseason. I think you need that offensive line

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Speaker 1: to really step up and to be solid. Now, do

697
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Speaker 1: you feel better about the depth at the offensive line

698
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Speaker 1: this year? You mentioned what Matt Will, let's go, Josh

699
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Speaker 1: Balls getting snow it right guard, you feel better about

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Speaker 1: the offensive line depth this time around that you did

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Speaker 1: at the same point last year.

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Speaker 6: I don't think I do. I just need to. I

703
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Speaker 6: just again, that's one of the good things about being

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Speaker 6: out here.

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Speaker 7: And then the other part is just the preseason games

706
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Speaker 7: that I know can be a beating for people sometimes,

707
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Speaker 7: but there's just a lot of pieces on this team

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Speaker 7: that have me looking forward to the preseason to get

709
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Speaker 7: to see, you know, Josh Ball a little bit more

710
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Speaker 7: in pads and Matt Will let's go guys like potentially

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Speaker 7: playing with the ones because you're not gonna be throwing

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Speaker 7: Tyronsmith out there in preseason games.

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Speaker 1: And I'm excited to see Awesome Richards. Yeah, because absolutely

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Speaker 1: sure for somebody that I mean, we've we've talked a

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Speaker 1: lot about, well, let's go in ball, but I think

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Speaker 1: Awesome Richards as a draft pick, we kind of forget

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Speaker 1: about him, and we will because they haven't put pads on,

718
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Speaker 1: yet it's not significant enough to really say, Okay, these

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Speaker 1: trenches are getting great work in They're they're mostly working

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Speaker 1: fundamental and footwork at the moment. But once they put

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Speaker 1: the pads on, I hope he starts to shine and

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Speaker 1: starts to take a stuff for me.

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Speaker 7: Keep given the benefit of doubt to Mike McCarthy too,

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Speaker 7: because of the fact that, you know, if you're on Twitter,

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Speaker 7: it seems like people want to write off Josh Ball

726
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Speaker 7: or Matt I haven't seen anything right away, but like

727
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Speaker 7: if you look at his track Mike McCarthy's track record

728
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Speaker 7: in Green Pay, they found a lot of outstanding value

729
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Speaker 7: in like the third or fifth rounds in the offensive line.

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Speaker 7: So because of that, I'm just kind of in the heck.

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Speaker 7: I mean, since he's been with the Cowboys that Darren

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Speaker 7: Steele was an undrafted guy. So because of this, I'm

733
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Speaker 7: just like, you gotta be kind of patient, you know,

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Speaker 7: like it could click for one of these guys and

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Speaker 7: then all of a sudden you have a really good

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Speaker 7: offensive lineman that you didn't have to you know, invest

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Speaker 7: a ton in. But that's what that's been missing. They've

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Speaker 7: been missing that piece to be able to step up.

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Speaker 7: So maybe this is the off season or preseason whatever that, well,

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Speaker 7: let's go or ball step up.

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Speaker 8: And I will say I I haven't seen much from

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Speaker 8: at least twice in a public see before, so you

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Speaker 8: to keep an eye on.

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Speaker 1: Once we get pads on, I think we'll get a

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Speaker 1: better idea too. It's so tough and even yesterday, absolutely

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Speaker 1: there was one point when Mazzie Smith was on his

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Speaker 1: on his backside at camp and it's like, Okay, everybody's

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Speaker 1: looking at it. Everybody's looking at Mahazi. They're like, why

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Speaker 1: is he on his back? Like there's no pads. Let's

752
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Speaker 1: let's not get carried away just yet. Yeah, he probably

753
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Speaker 1: needs to stay up off the ground a little bit more,

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Speaker 1: but as a first round nose tackle that's supposed to

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Speaker 1: do that, I think he needs to get up a

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Speaker 1: little bit. But man, I'm excited to see this offensive

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Speaker 1: line fully healthy. Let's just let's put it out there

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Speaker 1: in the air all season long. We're not gonna have

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Speaker 1: a single injury. We're gonna make it work. Okay, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna manifest this. But when we come back

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Speaker 1: here on Talking Cowboys, we do need to talk about

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Speaker 1: the guys who aren't healthy going into training camp, and

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Speaker 1: we did have a couple injuries here on day one.

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Speaker 1: Maybe some updates coming here in a minute with Mike McCarthy,

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Speaker 1: of Talking Cowboys, episode one of the twenty three season.

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Speaker 1: Excited to be back and I love doing the show

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Speaker 1: every single year. Loved Talking to Cowboys Nation, and we've

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Speaker 1: we will have Isaiah Stanbacks. We're gonna have the full

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Speaker 1: crew up here for the first time. I'm Kyle Yeomans,

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Speaker 1: and we did get to see practice number one. We're

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Speaker 1: preparing for practice number two behind us, but we saw

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Speaker 1: a pair of safeties go down for the Cowboys. Donovan Wilson,

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Speaker 1: Israel Mukuamu, I mean John. Both of those guys were

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Speaker 1: expected to do good things this year. Of course, Donovan

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Speaker 1: Wilson got a brand new deal, excited to bring him back,

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Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden he may miss some time.

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Speaker 1: But overall, how does this impact the safety room with

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Speaker 1: both of those guys leaving in day one?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, you don't want that, but I will say they're

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Speaker 7: in a much better situation than they were three four

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Speaker 6: I wrote a story.

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Speaker 7: About how not not only did the Cowboys have like

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Speaker 7: the lowest investment at the safety position in the division,

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Speaker 7: it was the entire NFL. And so they are more

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Speaker 7: equipped now than ever. This is the best safety group

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Speaker 7: since I've covered the team, for sure, and so I mean,

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Speaker 7: it sucks to lose those guys.

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Speaker 6: I think Donovan Wilson. It's being reported four.

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Speaker 7: To six weeks, so should be back for the opener,

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Speaker 7: which is obviously that's the number one thing that you

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Speaker 7: care about there, Mukuamu with the hamstring. I don't know

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Speaker 7: the severity of that, but I just feel like they're

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Speaker 7: kind of in a good spot because of Marquise Bell,

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Speaker 6: They're just very high in Marquis Bell and what he

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Speaker 6: can do.

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Speaker 7: And so because you have you known curse already back

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Speaker 7: there and you have Malie Hooker, it just it sucks.

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Speaker 7: But it's a position where they can afford it a

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Speaker 7: little bit more than maybe some other positions. But yeah,

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Speaker 7: I mean, this is the time of year when you

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Speaker 7: just you hate to be out there watching practice. I know,

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Speaker 7: you guys are doing a show live or next thing,

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Speaker 7: you know, there's someone in the cart. You just never

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Speaker 7: want to see the cart, you know, because you never

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Speaker 7: know the severity of it.

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Speaker 6: You don't know if it's.

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Speaker 7: Something you know that could be just a couple of weeks,

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Speaker 7: or it's something that ends the season. And so fortunately

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Speaker 7: it doesn't sound like it's anything like that, but you

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Speaker 7: don't want to lose anybody. Also, I need to add

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870
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Speaker 7: practice fields have looked. So for anybody that's out there

871
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:41,319
Speaker 7: thinking like, oh, maybe it's just they're playing on some

872
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 7: bad fields, that's not the case. I mean, these are

873
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 7: top shape. There's been some times I've been out here

874
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 7: where I was like, man, it's kind of rough out here,

875
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 7: especially after a first couple of practices. These are the

876
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 7: best the fields have looked, and you would rather the

877
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 7: guys be this time of year beyond grass too.

878
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 1: I heard a rumor, just a rumor, but apparently somebody

879
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,439
Speaker 1: came in from that does World Cup pitch the pitch

880
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 1: for soccer. They come in and they've redone this whole field,

881
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 1: and so I mean, for the most part, it's immaculate

882
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 1: out there. We were, I mean, Nick Harris and I

883
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 1: if you saw it on Cowboys stories on the Cowboys. Now,

884
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: app we're playing playing catch baseball. Wise, we'll have to

885
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 1: join us at some point. We'll get I got an

886
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 1: extra glove we brought it. Don't worry, you're good. But

887
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:22,720
Speaker 1: we were playing catch out there, and it's it's almost

888
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 1: like a fair way or a green like it's incredibly

889
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 1: taken care of. So I agree with you. I think

890
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,359
Speaker 1: that's a great point to add that these guys going

891
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 1: down it's not because of the playing surface. It's it's

892
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 1: a legitimate thing. But also I'm sure for these players

893
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 1: it's it's that security blanket for themselves personally saying okay,

894
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 1: like we can be steady and where we're putting our

895
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 1: feet and where we're doing this footwork and where we're

896
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 1: going through these drills, because sometimes if you are on

897
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 1: an uneven playing surface, you don't get that same level

898
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: of work.

899
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 8: In I will say I think at least from the

900
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 8: early impressions from these two injuries, I don't think either

901
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 8: of them are going to carry into the season. So

902
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 8: you know, getting getting experienced for these guys in the

903
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 8: depth of that room that can only help, especially in

904
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 8: the preseason.

905
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 9: You know, we might see a guy.

906
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 8: That plays all four quarters, so you know, a guy

907
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 8: like Marquispell that this is gonna be very valuable experience

908
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 8: for him and being able to step in and you

909
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 8: know he's kind of a verstle defensive back anyway, so

910
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 8: he could kind of fill in multiple spots and have

911
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:15,320
Speaker 8: that experience.

912
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 1: A lot of comparisons whenever he was picked up last

913
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 1: year as a undrafted free agent, was Jayron Curse. I mean,

914
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 1: he's got some size to him, He's above six foot,

915
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 1: he's athletic, he can make the coverage plays like jay

916
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 1: Ron can against tight ends. But can he come in

917
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 1: and play that over the top safety look like we've

918
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 1: seen from Donovan Wilson that enforce a role where he's

919
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 1: able to come down into the box every now and again.

920
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 6: That's a good question. I think we got to find

921
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 6: out a little bit more.

922
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 7: But yeah, he helped get every opportunity now because even

923
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 7: when those guys come back, they're gonna be careful with them, sure,

924
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 7: and so if you're well, you got to be loving

925
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 7: this opportunity to run with the ones and get a

926
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:52,399
Speaker 7: chance to go against you know.

927
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:54,760
Speaker 6: A really good wide receiver crew.

928
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 7: So, I mean, I don't know for sure, but he's

929
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:00,319
Speaker 7: gonna get ever opportunity to find out.

930
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 8: And there's a lot of defensive backs in this room

931
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 8: that are versatile. I mean, that's what dan Quinn preaches,

932
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 8: and I think being able to kind of play into

933
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 8: that versatility as much as possible moving some guys that

934
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 8: are more comfortable with Nickel and maybe get them some

935
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,800
Speaker 8: safety time. Again, it can only help in the long run.

936
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 1: With Donovan Wilson signing the new deal. And then you

937
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:20,799
Speaker 1: have Israel mcwhamoo, who of course is fighting for rotational

938
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 1: purposes and fighting to try and stay on the roster

939
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 1: and stay relevant, not that he was necessarily on the

940
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: cut line. Who do you think needed this camp more?

941
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 1: And I'll even throw in a couple extra names, a

942
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 1: couple of Michigan guys, Jordan Lewis who will start the

943
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 1: season on pupp the Physically unable to perform list. And

944
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 1: then you've got Luke Schoonmaker, the rookie second round pick

945
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 1: at tight end who will start with the NFI and

946
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 1: dealing with a foot injury. Out of those four players,

947
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 1: Israel mcwamu, Donovan Wilson, j Jordan Lewis, and Luke Schoomaker

948
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,879
Speaker 1: who needed a full camp of work more to try

949
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 1: and make an impact on this football.

950
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 9: Team, I think we might have the same answer. We'll

951
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 9: let you go.

952
00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:02,399
Speaker 7: Yeah, for me, it's not even closed. It's Luke Schoonmaker, Okay, Yeah?

953
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 7: Why is that just because you don't have Dalton Schultz anymore,

954
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 7: and he if he's out there for every single thing

955
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 7: and uh contributing and he's on the same page with

956
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 7: Dak Prescott, he's got a chance to get a ton

957
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 7: of playing time. And for the others, like for like

958
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 7: Jordan Lewis, I just look at him as a guy

959
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 7: that he's a veteran, Like it's kind of like the

960
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 7: Zach Martin thing.

961
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 6: I understand, Like, you know when you show.

962
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 7: Up here and people like Zach Martin's not there, Like

963
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 7: this guy's falling and I'm just kind of sitting there

964
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,919
Speaker 7: and like guys like when it matters, he'll be here.

965
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 6: It's not it's not just the money.

966
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:34,439
Speaker 7: I feel like it's also his bond with this team

967
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 7: and stuff like that, like when the when the games matter,

968
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 7: he'll be here. Like So that's kind of how I

969
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,320
Speaker 7: feel about Jordan Lewis. He's a veteran and and everything

970
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 7: will He'll figure everything out. But the Luke Scoomaker thing

971
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:47,399
Speaker 7: just makes me think of of Jalen Tolbert last year.

972
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 7: You know, we we were in the OTAs in mini camp.

973
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 7: He's dealing with I think was a foot.

974
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you had a little bit of a

975
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:53,319
Speaker 1: foot all.

976
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 7: Yeah, and just I don't know when you're a rookie

977
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:57,399
Speaker 7: like that, especially in the spot where like you can

978
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 7: come in right away and possible win a starting job,

979
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 7: you know that that that's a little bit of alarming.

980
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:05,800
Speaker 7: And then there's a little bit of an injury history

981
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 7: there too with him. And then I also think just

982
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:11,320
Speaker 7: because of the style that he is coming from playing

983
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 7: in college, that he translates that if he's out here,

984
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 7: I think he could hit the ground running.

985
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 9: So that's very valid.

986
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 8: But I feel like the leash is a lot longer

987
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 8: for Luke just because obviously he's coming in as a rookie,

988
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 8: whereas Jordan Lewis, I feel like that leash is much

989
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:26,240
Speaker 8: much shorter. You know, Dern Bland came in last year, wow,

990
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:29,360
Speaker 8: wowed everybody, and you know, now now there's a competition

991
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 8: there and you know Jordan needs to it needs to

992
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 8: be on the field showing, showing his value. So my

993
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 8: answer would be Jordan Lewis just because I feel like

994
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 8: there's a sense of urgency there now, whereas with Schoonmaker,

995
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 8: I don't feel like the urgency really needs to be

996
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 8: there necessarily granted being able to come in rookie and

997
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 8: win a starting job. Definitely, that would be fantastic for him.

998
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 8: And this is his best opportunity to do that, and

999
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 8: the earlier he can get on the field is the

1000
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 8: best way he can.

1001
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 1: So do you think Jordan Lewis, I mean, with the

1002
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:56,839
Speaker 1: addition of Bland into the mix, and then I mean

1003
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 1: there's no Anthony Brown at training camp this year either

1004
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 1: you bring in another corner in Eric Scott Junior, you

1005
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 1: think he's at least on that that watch of I

1006
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 1: need to be on the practice field to make this team.

1007
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 8: And to talking about Jordan Lewis, yeah, I think as

1008
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 8: far as making the team, it's just as far as

1009
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:16,959
Speaker 8: you know, if Deron Bland gets that starting nod week

1010
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 8: one and he picks up right where he left off

1011
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 8: last year, why.

1012
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 9: Do you fix it if it's not broken?

1013
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 1: You know?

1014
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:23,839
Speaker 8: So I think that's kind of how you look at

1015
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 8: it from a coaching staff perspective. I don't think his

1016
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 8: roster spots in jeopardy by any means, but his his

1017
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:30,240
Speaker 8: starting job's definitely in jeopardy.

1018
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:33,320
Speaker 1: And John, you talked about well Scoot Luke scooonmaker and

1019
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 1: getting off to a hot start. I mean if he's

1020
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 1: if he's fighting for a starting job against Jake Ferguson

1021
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 1: and Peyton Endershot, that's one thing, But it sounds like

1022
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:45,760
Speaker 1: from a veteran standpoint, Jordan Lewis coming in, he's fighting

1023
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 1: for a starting spot with a younger player than he is,

1024
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 1: and so it's kind of an interesting one too. One

1025
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 1: of them is the rookie trying to establish himself, the

1026
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 1: other one is the veteran trying to stay established. So

1027
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: both of the answers are certainly valid. I'm I'm kind

1028
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 1: of torn in in the middle of it, though, because

1029
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis, if he were playing at the level of

1030
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 1: Trayvon Diggs, that's one thing, and having a bit of

1031
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 1: an injury and then he's gonna be fine. He'll come back.

1032
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 1: That starting spots his no matter what. I don't know

1033
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:14,840
Speaker 1: if you can necessarily say he was playing that level

1034
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 1: of football that at the point where he got hurt.

1035
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,240
Speaker 1: I know he got hurt on an interception, but yeah,

1036
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 1: going into it, it was kind of an interesting timing

1037
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 1: of the whole deal.

1038
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:26,359
Speaker 6: So I would probably feel a little bit different about that.

1039
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 7: If let's say Dan Quinn took a head coaching job

1040
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 7: this past offseason, okay, but because he's back, I just

1041
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 7: he's been great with moving guys around, using him in

1042
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 7: different roles, and just with Jordan Lewis, I know that

1043
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 7: dan Quinn's a fan of his. The way that he's

1044
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 7: able to use him sometimes as a blitzer, I just

1045
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 7: find like, yeah, with obviously, if Bland keeps playing well,

1046
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 7: you're gonna have him out in the field. But I

1047
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 7: just I find it I feel like dan Quinn's going

1048
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 7: to find a way to get Jordan Lewis on the

1049
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 7: field if he's healthy. He's a savvy veteran. He'll use

1050
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 7: him in some different packages. But no question what you

1051
00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 7: said is I completely agree with on the around Blank

1052
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 7: keeps playing like that, you can't take him off the

1053
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 7: field and that will cut into Jordan Lewis's playing time absolutely.

1054
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 6: But I don't know. Maybe maybe I'm just a bigger.

1055
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 7: Jordan Lewis fan than others, but I think I just

1056
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 7: think he's he brings like intangibles that you know in

1057
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 7: the locker room on the field, and then he just

1058
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:20,839
Speaker 7: can do a variety of things, not just as as

1059
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 7: a dB, but also you know, playing downhill and stuff

1060
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 7: like that.

1061
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 6: So I think that they'll be some type of a

1062
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 6: role for him.

1063
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:30,399
Speaker 1: Yep, it'll be certainly interesting. Now before we wrap up

1064
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 1: on our first talking Cowboys will be back on Monday.

1065
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:37,879
Speaker 1: By the way, nine am Pacific time, eleven am Central time,

1066
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 1: Isaiah will join us. I want you to give me

1067
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 1: one player to watch. One player you're watching on the

1068
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 1: field non starter in training camp. Then I want everybody

1069
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 1: that's listening to go and do their homework.

1070
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 7: On It's funny because if they were about to be

1071
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 7: in pads. The very first person I was going to

1072
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 7: say was Mazi. Oh everybody, because doing these shows and

1073
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 7: writing stories about this team, it's your first round pick,

1074
00:44:58,800 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 7: and everybody.

1075
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:00,360
Speaker 6: Wants to know it was the first round pick, Like,

1076
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 6: what's the first round pick look like?

1077
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 7: Well, when you don't have pads on, it's hard to

1078
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 7: really evaluate the defensive tackle. And then other part is

1079
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 7: that you were hoping that Zach Meyer would be out

1080
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:11,439
Speaker 7: here going against him, and maybe that will eventually happen

1081
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 7: sooner than later. But of a non starter. I hate

1082
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 7: to just go back to Jalen Tolbert, but that's just

1083
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 7: a player that coming in. I just I've really wanted

1084
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Speaker 7: to see how he fits in because I think he

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Speaker 7: can have a pretty big role. But yeah, for me,

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Speaker 7: it's on the offense. It's it's a it's a Jalen Tolbert,

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Speaker 7: or it's any of those running backs behind Tony Poller.

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Speaker 8: Okay, yeah, absolute, I'm gonna give you one on each

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Speaker 8: side of the ball, and both are rookies. I'm gonna

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Speaker 8: start with Demarveon Overshown just because the linebacking corps.

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Speaker 9: I feel like there's an opportunity for him there.

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Speaker 8: He feels like there's an opportunity to start there coming

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Speaker 8: out of training camp. So to Marveon Overshown, you know,

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Speaker 8: he's he's got it. He's got it up here, and

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Speaker 8: you know the coaches have loved what he's been able

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Speaker 8: to bring to both the locker room and the field

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Speaker 8: so far. So definitely a guy I'm keeping an eye on.

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Speaker 8: And then I know I set it in our Camping

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Speaker 8: Out podcast, But Jalen Moreno Cropper, I think that is

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Speaker 8: a guy. By the end of training camp, we're gonna

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Speaker 8: start factoring into some conversations. So he's He's had a

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Speaker 8: lot of production at Fresno State. Fresno State has obviously

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Speaker 8: produced some fantastic receivers in the NFL.

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Speaker 9: I think I think he's going to be the next

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Speaker 9: in line.

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Speaker 1: Yet.

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Speaker 9: Phenomenal Day one, Phenomenal Day one.

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Speaker 1: You checked the boxes on day one. Uh to get

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Speaker 1: that done. By the way, Chris Beam had a phenomenal

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Speaker 1: shot of in the end zone. It's on Dallas Cowboys

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Speaker 1: social got all gamer in the back. He's not just

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Speaker 1: a podcast man, he's a camera man too. He does

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Speaker 1: it all. But yeah, no, it was a phenomenal, phenomenal catch,

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Speaker 1: drag both feet, it was no question touchdown. We went

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Speaker 1: under further review of Chris Beam's phenomenal shot. It was

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Speaker 1: a grab. So uh yeah. Excited to see what jaylen

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Speaker 1: moreno Cropper. It seems like every year there's an undrafted

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Speaker 1: free agent wide receiver that emerges. Last year Dennis Houston.

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Speaker 1: This year might be jayalen moreno Cropper. I'm gonna stick

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Speaker 1: with with who I said in the Camping Down podcast.

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Speaker 1: Both of these guys had great day ones. Eric Scott Junior,

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Speaker 1: who had the interception, had a couple of PBUs as

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Speaker 1: a rookie. I just think he has those intangibles. He

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Speaker 1: has at that athleticism that Dan Quinn loves and I

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Speaker 1: think even if he doesn't necessarily find his way into

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Speaker 1: the corner rotation, I think he'll be an impact player

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Speaker 1: on special teams and then on the offensive side. I'm

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Speaker 1: looking at tight end John Stevens from Louisiana LAFIATT. He's

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Speaker 1: an undrafted free agent. They call him stretch, and there's

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Speaker 1: two reasons for that. He's got some size he's above

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Speaker 1: six y three, but then he's also he can stretch

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Speaker 1: the field a little bit, so they call him stretch

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Speaker 1: within the locker room. So keep an eye on John

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Speaker 1: Stevens to see what he can do going into year

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Speaker 1: number one. But that's gonna do it. For episode one

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Speaker 1: of Talking Cowboys here in twenty twenty three, be sure

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Speaker 1: to join us on Monday for our next episode. For

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Speaker 1: John Machoda, Nick Harras, I'm Kyle Yellmis and for Chris

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Speaker 1: Beam running things in the back. We'll see you on

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Speaker 1: Monday for more Talking Cowboys.

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