WEBVTT - Where is Mitrice? 

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<v Speaker 1>A school of humans. What one technological advancement do you

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<v Speaker 1>wish had never been invented? Cell phones. In two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and seven, my Teres Richardson participated in the Miss Fullerton

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<v Speaker 1>Beauty pageant. That's Fullerton, California, just south of Los Angeles.

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<v Speaker 1>Although when you're stranded, they help contact your family and

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<v Speaker 1>the need of a spare tire or just in any

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<v Speaker 1>need of emergency, but they also cause a lot of accidents,

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<v Speaker 1>and they cause a lot of friendships from forming, because

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<v Speaker 1>as soon as people get out of class, the first

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<v Speaker 1>thing they want to do is talk on their cell phones.

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<v Speaker 1>So I just wish that cell phones would be limited

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<v Speaker 1>to just emergencies only. She's wearing a dazzling beige ball

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<v Speaker 1>gown and glides across the stage to Frank Sinatra's The

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<v Speaker 1>Way You Look Tonight. She's funny, beautiful, and has an

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<v Speaker 1>electric smile. Two years later, her family released this pageant

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<v Speaker 1>video to show the public what my Terse looks like,

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<v Speaker 1>how she talks, how she walks. Because my Terse is missing,

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<v Speaker 1>desperate for answers, friends and family had begun to retrace

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<v Speaker 1>my Teresa's steps. I'm Catherine Townsend and this is hell

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<v Speaker 1>and gone. It's five thirty five am on September seventeenth,

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and nine, and Teresa's mother, Latisse, is terrified.

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<v Speaker 1>She called the Lost Hills Sheriff station at around four

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<v Speaker 1>thirty am to ask about my Teresa's bail and to

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<v Speaker 1>make arrangements to pick up her daughter, only for the

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<v Speaker 1>jailer to tell her that my Teres had been released

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<v Speaker 1>hours earlier laus Hield Station bomb gardener. So Latis called

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<v Speaker 1>back and was connected to another officer. Yes, hi, my

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<v Speaker 1>name is Latista, and I called not too long ago

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<v Speaker 1>regarding my daughter. My Trees rook at this Latista's telling

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<v Speaker 1>him that her daughter was forty miles from home and

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<v Speaker 1>depressed and had no way home and no knowledge of

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<v Speaker 1>the area. She doesn't know the area. She's never been

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<v Speaker 1>in your area. Where does she live? He is unfamiliar

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<v Speaker 1>with that area. Do you think that possibly could have

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<v Speaker 1>gotten a bus home? And oh, listen, my Chad has

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<v Speaker 1>never ridden a bus. No, she would not know how

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<v Speaker 1>to ride a bus. I would probably wait till, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>early this morning, and if she doesn't turn up, you

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<v Speaker 1>can certainly call. I don't suspect anything bad happened. The

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<v Speaker 1>officer she was on the phone with said she should

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<v Speaker 1>wait a few hours before filing a missing person's report.

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<v Speaker 1>We heard part of that phone call at the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the last episode, but the rest of it is

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<v Speaker 1>even more heartbreaking. I'm concerned because, well, first of all,

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<v Speaker 1>I thought they were going to keep her overnight because

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<v Speaker 1>she was highly intoxicated. Something, something is obviously going on

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<v Speaker 1>with her. Have you tried to the jailer and yes, yes, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>yes I have. He said he tried to get her

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<v Speaker 1>to stable. Because she was an adult, they had to

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<v Speaker 1>let her go. I believe that she is highly depressed,

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<v Speaker 1>and she she's in a depressive state. You know, it

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<v Speaker 1>could be possible that maybe she I mean, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of options and a lot of possibilities, and I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think all of them would be, you know, something dire.

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<v Speaker 1>But I can certainly understand and your fears, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>being your daughter and all that. Well, I think she's suppressed.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what happens. That's worth than just okay. That and

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that she's in an area where she doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>know where she's at. It doesn't take medication at all. No,

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<v Speaker 1>I believe it's a state that she's in, right now

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<v Speaker 1>because of just the weird activities to speaking what's name

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<v Speaker 1>her name is, Latise is growing more and more alarmed

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<v Speaker 1>that the police don't seem to be doing more. Her

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<v Speaker 1>daughter had been out of jail for hours and no

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<v Speaker 1>one had heard from her. Why didn't they seem to care?

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<v Speaker 1>By Friday morning, she was getting desperate. That's when Latis

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<v Speaker 1>called doctor Ronda Hampton. So she went missing, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>technically at twelve twenty eighth on Thursday. And her mom

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<v Speaker 1>called me on Friday and she was just asking me

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<v Speaker 1>if my Trees had contacted me or if she had

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<v Speaker 1>seen by the office or something like that, and then

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<v Speaker 1>she kind of explained to me what was going on.

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<v Speaker 1>Ronda and Latisse had gone through my Teresa's social media

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<v Speaker 1>and what they found was disturbing. Ronda called the police

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<v Speaker 1>and insisted that the situation was urgent. Latis and Ronda

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<v Speaker 1>re emphasized to the police that they believed my Trees

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<v Speaker 1>may be experiencing some sort of mental health issue. They

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't wait any longer. They needed to look for my trees. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>did they start searching right away or how long did

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<v Speaker 1>it take them to start searching? So what happened was,

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<v Speaker 1>and they claim that they searched that same day, although

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<v Speaker 1>none of the neighbors would call that happening at all.

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<v Speaker 1>So I when I talked to it was LAPD of

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<v Speaker 1>a case at this time. When I talked to the LAPD,

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<v Speaker 1>they weren't planning on doing a search. Basically, she told

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<v Speaker 1>me that we needed to have some compelling information to

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<v Speaker 1>secure the funds to do a search. So, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I went back and forth with the detective from LAPD

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<v Speaker 1>and then eventually, I guess I was able to give

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<v Speaker 1>her enough information that she said that okay, fine. They

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<v Speaker 1>finally agreed to do a search, and that would have

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<v Speaker 1>been on Saturday. And I think it was that Friday

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<v Speaker 1>that we learned about the Montanino phone call. The night

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<v Speaker 1>my tse went missing, the Lost Hills Sheriff's Department got

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<v Speaker 1>another call from a retired KATV Los Angeles local news

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<v Speaker 1>reporter named Bill Smith well Saffa office CAMPI yeah, Hi, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a smith a Cold Canyon. We had a

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<v Speaker 1>prowler walking around through the backyard here, but we don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what the situation was. I've going not here a

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<v Speaker 1>unit in the area might do a little drive buy

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<v Speaker 1>or something. Bill said that he had seen someone on

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<v Speaker 1>his property in the early morning hours of September seventeenth,

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<v Speaker 1>an African America, matching my Teresa's description. We talked about

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<v Speaker 1>this in the last episode. If you don't live in

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<v Speaker 1>the LA area, you might think of it and the

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<v Speaker 1>surrounding areas as a sprawling city or Malibu as a

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<v Speaker 1>star studded beach front crowded with surfers. But up in

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<v Speaker 1>the mountains, it's a different story. It would have been

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely deserted at night, and a young woman walking alone

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<v Speaker 1>would have stood out, and it goes from neighborhood to

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<v Speaker 1>woods in the blink of an eye. You're absolutely correct,

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<v Speaker 1>because I remember when I was still living up in

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<v Speaker 1>Seattle and I was thinking about moving to LA I

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<v Speaker 1>read about somebody, just in a line of I think

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<v Speaker 1>it was outside magazines. Somebody said the mountains of Los

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<v Speaker 1>Angeles and I went, what, There's no mountains in the

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<v Speaker 1>Los Angeles. Come on, and it's what you're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>is absolutely true. Unless you're here, you don't realize that

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<v Speaker 1>there is a mountain range. Brian Rooney literally wrote the

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<v Speaker 1>book about Malibu Creek State Park because it's home to

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<v Speaker 1>biologically diverse landscape that made it right for the movies.

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<v Speaker 1>Paramount and twentieth Century Fox use the landscape, which included

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<v Speaker 1>Malibu Creek State Park, to shoot dozens of movies and

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<v Speaker 1>TV shows, including the TV series Mash But for park

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<v Speaker 1>visitors it's also dangerous. Malibu Search and Rescue are busy

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<v Speaker 1>year round rescuing hikers from around the park. Hazard's for sure,

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<v Speaker 1>like you mentioned, rattlesnakes, for sure. It's remarkable how many

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<v Speaker 1>people come to the very popular Malibu Creek State Park

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<v Speaker 1>and do not have a map with them and have

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<v Speaker 1>no idea where they're going. They just arrive. It is

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<v Speaker 1>so close to the city that people come out under

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<v Speaker 1>prepared and they don't think about the dangers of that

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<v Speaker 1>They're going into a backcountry area where there is you know,

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<v Speaker 1>bad cell service, no running water, basically very few bathrooms,

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<v Speaker 1>all that type of stuff, and they come out underprepared

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<v Speaker 1>and they don't understand that this is not a shopping mall.

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<v Speaker 1>And dangers if you're talking natural dangers, of course, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like I said, getting lost, getting hurt, falling down a canyon,

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<v Speaker 1>falling down off a ridge line, or something like that. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>the animals are here. It might help too. That one

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<v Speaker 1>of the most interesting things about these mountains is because

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<v Speaker 1>there is Pacific Coast Highway on one side and the

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<v Speaker 1>one to one Freeway on the other side. If you're

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<v Speaker 1>ever actually lost, all you have to do is walk

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<v Speaker 1>downhill and you will hit one of those major arteries.

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<v Speaker 1>So as long as you're walking downhill, you'll hit civilization.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you're walking across and not going downhill, then

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<v Speaker 1>you can be in trouble because you could go on.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a fifty mile long range and you could theoretically

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<v Speaker 1>walk for a long way and not hit anything. Montegnito

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<v Speaker 1>is a neighborhood that's about six miles from the Lost

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<v Speaker 1>Hills Sheriff Station. It backs onto the Santa Monica Mountains.

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<v Speaker 1>It's quiet up there. There are horse trails and private

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<v Speaker 1>hiking trails that cut through the back of several residential

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<v Speaker 1>properties and lead up into the mountains. Bill Smith was

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<v Speaker 1>a retired TV reporter in two thousand and nine when

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<v Speaker 1>he called the police that night, he said that he

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<v Speaker 1>spotted a prowler sitting on his back porch. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if you have a unit in the area, might

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<v Speaker 1>do a little drive buy or something Okay, where's this it?

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<v Speaker 1>This is Cold Canyon and we just said a strange

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<v Speaker 1>woman walk up through the back gyard here. There's fairly

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<v Speaker 1>large property and she was sitting on the steps right

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<v Speaker 1>right on the back of the house. Here. This is

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a circular driveway and the big gates were closed,

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<v Speaker 1>so we don't know where this woman came from. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a horse trail, hiking trail accessed through here, but we've

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<v Speaker 1>never had this kind of thing happen before. Once she

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<v Speaker 1>looked like white black as you know, a tall, slim

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<v Speaker 1>black woman with afro hair. I thought she was sitting

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<v Speaker 1>down stretched out on the wooden steps in the back

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<v Speaker 1>of the house. Hard to tell, but does she look

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<v Speaker 1>like she'd have been medium too, slightly tall with a

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<v Speaker 1>big aprol hair, very skinny, and I think she was

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<v Speaker 1>wearing maybe jeans or tight pants with a T shirt.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think you've never seen her there before? No? Never,

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<v Speaker 1>nobody's ever does that. I mean, the people hike on

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<v Speaker 1>the trail all the time. We you know, the trail

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<v Speaker 1>goes through our property, but we leave it open on

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<v Speaker 1>purpose because it's kind of a nice thing for horses

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<v Speaker 1>and people. And said she's laying across me. She was

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<v Speaker 1>laying across the steps or but she was sitting kind

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<v Speaker 1>of sprawled out on the wooden steps in the back

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<v Speaker 1>of the house, right against the back of the house.

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<v Speaker 1>She since got up and left. She since gone. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>she's been gone about five minutes now. But as we

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<v Speaker 1>follow it over, we thought maybe a little drive by

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't be a bad idea. And what direction was she

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<v Speaker 1>did she last seen him? He never saw her. She

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<v Speaker 1>once she left, she just disappeared. I moved from one

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<v Speaker 1>wind to another. I said to her, I hollered down.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you all right? She said, I'm just resting or

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<v Speaker 1>something like that. But she's certainly gone out of her

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<v Speaker 1>way to get to that close to the house because

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<v Speaker 1>the hiking trail is not that close down the ridge.

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<v Speaker 1>A great listen to me, I haven't checked the area

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<v Speaker 1>for I appreciate that very much. Now the problems, thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Here the timeline gets a little fuzzy. We ask for

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<v Speaker 1>the audio of the phone calls and the call logs

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<v Speaker 1>from the LASD, but we're told that call logs are

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<v Speaker 1>usually destroyed after two years. Lost hill sheriffs say they

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<v Speaker 1>got the call at six thirty am, but Bill Smith

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<v Speaker 1>keeps saying it's dark and he can't see the woman clearly.

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<v Speaker 1>But according to records, the sun rose over the Santa

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<v Speaker 1>Monica Mountains at six forty am on Thursday, September seventeenth,

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and nine, so it was already getting light out.

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<v Speaker 1>But if she was in a man a state because

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<v Speaker 1>she had walked all the way from Lost Hills to

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<v Speaker 1>Bill Smith's home, I mean, rare, but it's possible. But

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<v Speaker 1>it's just almighty strange. This is to Shaka Starwell. He

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<v Speaker 1>works at react La react as a volunteer organization that

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<v Speaker 1>acts as a liaison between families and police and also

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<v Speaker 1>helps organize searches and missing persons cases for families. Tshaka

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<v Speaker 1>says the same thing that the family was feeling. They

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<v Speaker 1>didn't understand how my trees could have walked the six

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<v Speaker 1>miles from the Lost Hill Sheriff station to Montanito in

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<v Speaker 1>the pitch black without even a cell phone light to

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<v Speaker 1>illuminate the way, because if it was six she would

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<v Speaker 1>at least a blue skylight there, So I thought it

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<v Speaker 1>was in the wee hours. There's no way that she walked.

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<v Speaker 1>She can't even walk and get there in two hours.

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<v Speaker 1>I just don't see it. There's no way she can

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<v Speaker 1>drive from the freeway and get to Bill Smith's house

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<v Speaker 1>without a map. And there are a lot of other

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<v Speaker 1>places between Loss Hills the station and Bill Smith's home.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a equestering yard, there's a state park all to

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<v Speaker 1>the side around that road, and I mean, I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>told them when we get down down and there, of

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<v Speaker 1>course there's a gas station other things right there in

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<v Speaker 1>the middle area. How does she just skip all of that?

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<v Speaker 1>It is possible to walk to Monteanito from the Lost

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<v Speaker 1>Hill Sheriff's apartment, but how she got to Monteannito and

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<v Speaker 1>why comes central questions of the investigation. I drove up

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<v Speaker 1>to the station to try to piece together the route. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so as you can see, look how the road is already.

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<v Speaker 1>Imagine trying to walk down this at night. There's no side,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no no shoulder. The Lost Hills Sheriff station is

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<v Speaker 1>about a fifteen minute drive from Joffrey's, the restaurant where

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<v Speaker 1>the police picked up my trees. But in the tunnel

0:14:29.325 --> 0:14:31.565
<v Speaker 1>there's not even like one of those little walkway things.

0:14:31.925 --> 0:14:33.765
<v Speaker 1>So like literally if you're going through that tunnel and

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<v Speaker 1>there's a car it's going to hit you in this

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<v Speaker 1>right here. You would just never imagine three minutes ago.

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<v Speaker 1>The drive from Jeoffreys to the station is treacherous. There

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<v Speaker 1>are tons of hairpin turns, no shoulder and no sidewalk.

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<v Speaker 1>The road is surrounded by mountains. One side of the

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<v Speaker 1>road has a guardrail before a long fall into a

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<v Speaker 1>canyon and left onto a door road. You drive through

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<v Speaker 1>a tunnel and there's no pedestrian shoulder, so anyone trying

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<v Speaker 1>to walk through could not make it through that tunnel

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<v Speaker 1>with any traffic, especially at night when it's dark. So

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<v Speaker 1>it should be right up here. Yeah, I kind of.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to think I recognized this. Let's see turning raft.

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<v Speaker 1>Then you will arrive at your destinations over here. I

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<v Speaker 1>was on the right in it. That's right, it's on

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<v Speaker 1>the left here it is, that's right here. The Lost

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<v Speaker 1>Hills Sheriff Station is situated between a few neighborhoods that

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<v Speaker 1>are gated with brick walls and large commercial and industrial

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<v Speaker 1>buildings that are closed at night. There are no open

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<v Speaker 1>businesses around you can't go in, i think, and no

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<v Speaker 1>public transportation. The last buses would have stopped running hours

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<v Speaker 1>before My Trees was released. You all right, So here

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<v Speaker 1>it is. There's the front door. I'm just going to

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<v Speaker 1>drive around to the so you see if there's a

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<v Speaker 1>side door. My Trees was released at twelve fifteen am

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<v Speaker 1>and left the building at twelve thirty eight. SHARONN. Cummings,

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<v Speaker 1>the jailer on duty that night, said she'd offered My

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<v Speaker 1>Trees the chance to use the phone, but My Trees

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<v Speaker 1>turned the offer down. Cummings also said she told My

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<v Speaker 1>Trees she could wait into the lobby until someone came

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<v Speaker 1>and got her. So, yeah, this is it. And when

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<v Speaker 1>she left here she went back that way. My triest

0:16:14.605 --> 0:16:17.005
<v Speaker 1>left through the side door of the station. She had

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<v Speaker 1>two options, go back down the winding path toward Jeoffrey's

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<v Speaker 1>and the Pacific Coast Highway, or she could go the

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<v Speaker 1>other way, the way that had a sidewalk at least

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<v Speaker 1>for a few miles along Los Virgins Road, which turns

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<v Speaker 1>into Malibu Canyon Road. If I was trying to get

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<v Speaker 1>back to the beach, I would have gone this way, honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>And that is where it gets treacherous. But again it's

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<v Speaker 1>very misleading. You feel like you're going down toward the beach.

0:16:44.245 --> 0:16:47.325
<v Speaker 1>Montenito is like the first like once you get out

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<v Speaker 1>and you rouzer in the middle of nowhere, it's like

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<v Speaker 1>the next neighborhood along Bill Smith's house in Monteennito is

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<v Speaker 1>right off Malibu Canyon Road, but the neighborhood is nestled

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<v Speaker 1>between hiking trails and rugged wilderness. So it's odd that

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<v Speaker 1>she would have walked there in the pitch blackness. So

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<v Speaker 1>that was Bill Smiths and then from there, it's really

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<v Speaker 1>confusing around here, like her family started to wonder, could

0:17:10.365 --> 0:17:13.325
<v Speaker 1>my trees have been driven to Montenito Number one. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't buy for one minute that she walked, but let

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<v Speaker 1>me just go with that. I'll let's just I'll go

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<v Speaker 1>with it. If she did walk, it would make sense

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<v Speaker 1>to me that she would make a right hand turn. Okay, fine,

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<v Speaker 1>gotta walk one direction. Okay, that makes sense. It would

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<v Speaker 1>even make sense to me that she would stay on

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<v Speaker 1>the main road, you know, because at least it's paved,

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<v Speaker 1>right And it also would make sense to me that

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<v Speaker 1>she would make a right because when you go down

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<v Speaker 1>nothing's open. The Albertson's is closed. Everything is closed at

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<v Speaker 1>that time. Okay, so she'll make a right. Well, if

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<v Speaker 1>she was if she If if she was the person

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<v Speaker 1>who was seen at six thirty in the morning, then

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<v Speaker 1>there was light, right, so there's some there had to

0:17:50.045 --> 0:17:53.085
<v Speaker 1>be some light. Well, if so. Number one, we think

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<v Speaker 1>she was there closer to four thirty in the morning, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>but but even or five thirty, but they keep We're

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<v Speaker 1>not really sure on the time, but neighbors were hearing

0:18:03.485 --> 0:18:08.725
<v Speaker 1>her well before sixth thirty in the morning. On Saturday,

0:18:08.845 --> 0:18:13.925
<v Speaker 1>September nineteenth, police began their search for my trees. When

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<v Speaker 1>investigators looked outside Bill Smith's house, they found tracks that

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<v Speaker 1>they believed came from my teresa sneakers. According to Los

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<v Speaker 1>Angeles Magazine, the sneaker prints were found out front. They

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<v Speaker 1>followed the prince but lost them before they went down

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<v Speaker 1>into the canyon called Dark Creek. My Teresa's family says

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<v Speaker 1>that police told them to avoid the area to not

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<v Speaker 1>contaminate it. I wonder why they told you guys that

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, And you know, thank goodness for reporters.

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<v Speaker 1>I have to tell you, because there was a reporter

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<v Speaker 1>as we were patching out flyers who told us basically

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<v Speaker 1>to get our asses up to the canyon, right, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and kind of told us, this is what you need

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<v Speaker 1>to do, and and you know, thank goodness for time

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<v Speaker 1>because we did. We didn't know exactly where we were going,

0:19:05.205 --> 0:19:08.045
<v Speaker 1>but we kind of drove around the canyon and then

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<v Speaker 1>I you know, we didn't We still didn't know exactly

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<v Speaker 1>where we're going. They had found footprints, and they really

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<v Speaker 1>played me. You know, I was very naive back then,

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<v Speaker 1>and so they told me that they had found footprints

0:19:23.965 --> 0:19:25.925
<v Speaker 1>and that it looked like my truth was walking and

0:19:25.965 --> 0:19:31.685
<v Speaker 1>then she was running, and then like and where she

0:19:31.805 --> 0:19:34.005
<v Speaker 1>was running. They were concerned that she may have jumped,

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<v Speaker 1>and so they didn't say this, but they intimated that, like,

0:19:39.165 --> 0:19:41.005
<v Speaker 1>look if they were gonna fight, like as if it

0:19:41.085 --> 0:19:44.085
<v Speaker 1>was suicide, and so we wouldn't want to be We

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't want to find that my Treesa's friends and family

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<v Speaker 1>also questioned the police's decision to start the search in

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<v Speaker 1>Monteanito rather than the Lost Hill Sheriff station. If the

0:19:55.525 --> 0:19:58.365
<v Speaker 1>search of dogs had been deployed near the station, they wondered,

0:19:58.965 --> 0:20:01.125
<v Speaker 1>could they have figured out if my Trees got into

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<v Speaker 1>a vehicle. They used dogs, but they only used them

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<v Speaker 1>from Where did they start from? Did they start from

0:20:07.485 --> 0:20:09.285
<v Speaker 1>Bill Smith's house? Or did they start from the station.

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<v Speaker 1>So they did not start from the station at all,

0:20:13.645 --> 0:20:17.045
<v Speaker 1>and they started I mean, I guess we would have

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<v Speaker 1>to believe that they started in Montanaedo, because I remember

0:20:20.085 --> 0:20:23.565
<v Speaker 1>we weren't allowed to be there when that was happening, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So whether they were, I believe that they were in

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<v Speaker 1>the Bill Smith's area and in the houses in that area,

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<v Speaker 1>because some of the neighbors have told me that they,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, that they saw, you know, the police out

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<v Speaker 1>there on that day. That part only lasted four or

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<v Speaker 1>five hours though, and then they were out. It was

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to be a two day, all day search, right,

0:20:43.165 --> 0:20:45.765
<v Speaker 1>but it literally was four hours and that was it.

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<v Speaker 1>Ronda said that when she was told by police that

0:20:49.285 --> 0:20:52.125
<v Speaker 1>they were calling office search at four point thirty Saturday afternoon,

0:20:52.605 --> 0:21:00.405
<v Speaker 1>she was shocked and angry. In the week after my

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<v Speaker 1>Terse went missing, friends and family began flooding into the

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<v Speaker 1>area around Lost Hills and Antito and posting flyers with

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<v Speaker 1>photos of Matreesa's face everywhere. There were several photos of

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<v Speaker 1>my trees on the flyer, and the contrast between the

0:21:15.085 --> 0:21:18.245
<v Speaker 1>glamour shot was smooth hair and a dazzling smile and

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<v Speaker 1>the one of her police mugshot is stark. In the

0:21:21.605 --> 0:21:24.445
<v Speaker 1>second photo, my Treece has a faint smile on her face,

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<v Speaker 1>but she has bags under her eyes. Chipcroft is a

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<v Speaker 1>documentary filmmaker who lives in the area. It was I

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<v Speaker 1>had moved to LA on September one, two thousand and nine,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was settling in and it was about three

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<v Speaker 1>weeks later that I was looking at the La Times

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<v Speaker 1>online and I saw an article, a picture actually of

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<v Speaker 1>a young African American woman holding a sign saying find

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<v Speaker 1>my trees. And she was INVALIDU obviously along the highway

0:21:56.965 --> 0:21:59.725
<v Speaker 1>and they were. It was during the one, I think

0:21:59.725 --> 0:22:02.685
<v Speaker 1>the first Saturday after My Trees went missing. Chip was

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<v Speaker 1>unsettled by the sheriff's cavalier attitude towards my Teresa's disappearance

0:22:06.885 --> 0:22:10.285
<v Speaker 1>when this When I saw this article, it just didn't

0:22:10.525 --> 0:22:13.685
<v Speaker 1>ring true to me that she went missing with you know,

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<v Speaker 1>no phone, no no nothing, no car, no way home,

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<v Speaker 1>no money or anything. And so I immediately felt this

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<v Speaker 1>was based on obfuly a racist situation, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>I still think it is, and I think she was

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<v Speaker 1>considered to be an expendable young black woman from South

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<v Speaker 1>LA that they probably might not even miss the people

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't care about so much. But it turned out not

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<v Speaker 1>to be the case. So anyway, So I there was

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<v Speaker 1>an email address in the article for Ronda, and I

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<v Speaker 1>emailed Ronda about the about the case, and she said

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<v Speaker 1>that they were having a press conference coming up in

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<v Speaker 1>the following week at the Sheriff's headquarters. And I said, well, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll come by and maybe I can meet you all,

0:23:02.525 --> 0:23:07.085
<v Speaker 1>and I'll bring my camera. This is my daughter, My

0:23:07.765 --> 0:23:11.485
<v Speaker 1>Richardson Chip headed to the Lost Hill Sheriff's department and

0:23:11.525 --> 0:23:15.085
<v Speaker 1>recorded Latis as she made a passionate plea to police

0:23:15.525 --> 0:23:20.045
<v Speaker 1>to search harder for my trees. They failed her. She

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<v Speaker 1>is suffering somewhere because we believe she is still alive,

0:23:24.165 --> 0:23:26.965
<v Speaker 1>but they're not doing enough to search for her. We

0:23:27.045 --> 0:23:31.325
<v Speaker 1>are suffering every day, not knowing what to do to

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<v Speaker 1>find my daughter. They know this area, they have the

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<v Speaker 1>means to daily search for her. I believe they have

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<v Speaker 1>an obligation and a duty to continue to find look

0:23:42.485 --> 0:23:46.485
<v Speaker 1>for her until they rescue her. She can be hurt somewhere,

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<v Speaker 1>my understanding. The last place she was seen was in

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<v Speaker 1>a community off of Tiruma by the Saddleback lodge, which

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<v Speaker 1>is very steep, very terraneous, very seclusive. Someone heard voices,

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<v Speaker 1>no not voices, a voice of a woman talking to

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<v Speaker 1>herself in a vacant house, and apparently there's many vacant

0:24:17.205 --> 0:24:22.685
<v Speaker 1>houses in that area. The community has been unaware until

0:24:22.925 --> 0:24:26.445
<v Speaker 1>they got wind of our efforts, not the Sheriff's Department's efforts,

0:24:26.445 --> 0:24:30.365
<v Speaker 1>but our efforts putting flyers out there, making contact with

0:24:30.445 --> 0:24:34.565
<v Speaker 1>the neighborhood, just really trying to find my daughter. They

0:24:34.645 --> 0:24:36.805
<v Speaker 1>knew none of this from the police department, and the

0:24:36.805 --> 0:24:44.845
<v Speaker 1>community is outrage. Chip and Ronda started canvassing the neighbors

0:24:44.845 --> 0:24:48.845
<v Speaker 1>in Monteennito themselves and followed every lead they could find.

0:24:49.605 --> 0:24:52.365
<v Speaker 1>Most of the neighbors in Montinita were very cooperative and

0:24:52.405 --> 0:24:56.525
<v Speaker 1>wanted to help them, and now they're the CDA eight

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<v Speaker 1>mil racism and laws or anything. Their role was quite

0:25:01.365 --> 0:25:08.965
<v Speaker 1>helpful and a you know, they didn't know the cheffs

0:25:08.965 --> 0:25:11.245
<v Speaker 1>that claimed they'd gone around knocked on everybody's door and

0:25:11.685 --> 0:25:14.125
<v Speaker 1>questioned everybody. And we could barely find anybody that the

0:25:14.125 --> 0:25:18.245
<v Speaker 1>sheriffs had ever knocked on anybody's door or question Chip

0:25:18.285 --> 0:25:21.485
<v Speaker 1>heard a number of theories. One neighbor told Ship that

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<v Speaker 1>they heard a scream at around eleven pm the following

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<v Speaker 1>Tuesday after my trees went missing. The neighbor didn't even

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<v Speaker 1>know that there was a missing person at that point

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<v Speaker 1>and never figured out the source of the scream. Chip

0:25:34.245 --> 0:25:37.245
<v Speaker 1>talked to another neighbor as well, who said they discovered

0:25:37.285 --> 0:25:40.245
<v Speaker 1>what appeared to be a shallow grave on a neighbor's property.

0:25:40.965 --> 0:25:43.565
<v Speaker 1>We had the sheriffs come and investigate that that it

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<v Speaker 1>was a like a sand pit, but it threw a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of rains in October. In the sand pits had sunk,

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<v Speaker 1>as if somebody had dug in there or had removed

0:25:54.165 --> 0:25:56.525
<v Speaker 1>somebody out of there, and it had sunk, and there

0:25:56.605 --> 0:25:59.805
<v Speaker 1>was a breath that she noticed. She walked by there

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<v Speaker 1>every day, and she noticed some things had been moved

0:26:03.005 --> 0:26:07.445
<v Speaker 1>and tampered in that sand pit area, So that whole

0:26:07.485 --> 0:26:10.445
<v Speaker 1>thing was very suspicious. Ship and the sheriffs went to

0:26:10.525 --> 0:26:13.405
<v Speaker 1>check out the property with the shallow grave and said

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<v Speaker 1>that the owner of the home screamed at the sheriff

0:26:15.365 --> 0:26:22.285
<v Speaker 1>to get off her property. Since she lived in South

0:26:22.405 --> 0:26:25.485
<v Speaker 1>LA when she went missing. My Teresa's case was given

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<v Speaker 1>to the LAPDS Missing Person's Unit, then the case was

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<v Speaker 1>reassigned again, this time to the LAPD's Robbery Homicide Division.

0:26:35.285 --> 0:26:38.525
<v Speaker 1>Officials said this was because the Robbery Homicide Division had

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<v Speaker 1>more resources, but a lot of people over the years

0:26:42.005 --> 0:26:44.885
<v Speaker 1>have commented that this move was one of many that

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<v Speaker 1>made it seem like Lost Hills wanted to get rid

0:26:47.365 --> 0:26:50.045
<v Speaker 1>of this case as fast as they could. Don't forget

0:26:50.085 --> 0:26:52.445
<v Speaker 1>the Los Angeles Police Department is involved in this as well.

0:26:52.565 --> 0:26:56.005
<v Speaker 1>It is their investigation in fact, because she her residence

0:26:56.085 --> 0:26:59.005
<v Speaker 1>is Los Angeles. But that's a kind of a technical

0:26:59.045 --> 0:27:02.005
<v Speaker 1>thing because everybody's looking for The Los Angeles Police Department

0:27:02.045 --> 0:27:04.565
<v Speaker 1>has two detectives that are just they're assigned to this case.

0:27:04.605 --> 0:27:07.045
<v Speaker 1>This is what they're doing. This is Steve Whitmore, a

0:27:07.085 --> 0:27:11.485
<v Speaker 1>Community Information officer for the LASD, being interviewed in early

0:27:11.525 --> 0:27:14.605
<v Speaker 1>October two thousand and nine, three weeks after my Terse

0:27:14.645 --> 0:27:18.725
<v Speaker 1>went missing. Say, there has been three massive searches. The

0:27:18.805 --> 0:27:23.565
<v Speaker 1>Saturday immediately following the disappearance, then the next Saturday where

0:27:23.565 --> 0:27:26.125
<v Speaker 1>there was two hundred people. Now this is by air,

0:27:26.805 --> 0:27:29.605
<v Speaker 1>this is by foot, and what is known are door knocks.

0:27:30.125 --> 0:27:33.845
<v Speaker 1>Where that fourteen square mile of houses doors were each

0:27:33.885 --> 0:27:36.285
<v Speaker 1>one and if the house was empty, we would contact

0:27:36.285 --> 0:27:38.245
<v Speaker 1>the owner and that we would go in and search

0:27:38.285 --> 0:27:41.445
<v Speaker 1>those facilities with their permission. But it's important to note

0:27:41.485 --> 0:27:44.445
<v Speaker 1>that we do not believe this to be any wrongdoing

0:27:44.485 --> 0:27:47.805
<v Speaker 1>involved here at all. This is a missing person. Well,

0:27:48.085 --> 0:27:50.205
<v Speaker 1>I would refer you to the Los Angeles Police Department

0:27:50.205 --> 0:27:53.365
<v Speaker 1>on that, yes, but they have publicly said they do

0:27:53.445 --> 0:27:56.245
<v Speaker 1>not believe this to be have anything to do with wrongdoing,

0:27:56.485 --> 0:27:58.805
<v Speaker 1>that this is a missing person, and what the La

0:27:58.845 --> 0:28:01.805
<v Speaker 1>County Sheriff's Department is trying to do every day is

0:28:01.845 --> 0:28:08.285
<v Speaker 1>to find this young twenty four year old woman. Four

0:28:08.325 --> 0:28:12.165
<v Speaker 1>months after my trees went missing, on January ninth, twenty ten,

0:28:12.725 --> 0:28:16.205
<v Speaker 1>the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department conducted a massive search.

0:28:16.285 --> 0:28:18.245
<v Speaker 1>So I'm not sure, just because it's been changing every day.

0:28:18.605 --> 0:28:22.245
<v Speaker 1>There's probably about fifty horses, there's about forty to fifty

0:28:22.285 --> 0:28:24.005
<v Speaker 1>dogs that are going to be out here as well.

0:28:25.205 --> 0:28:27.765
<v Speaker 1>We have Air Rescue five coming in, which are our

0:28:28.325 --> 0:28:32.845
<v Speaker 1>rescue helicopter. It involved hundreds of volunteers covering an eighteen

0:28:32.885 --> 0:28:36.565
<v Speaker 1>square mile area. They used drones to conduct air searches,

0:28:36.925 --> 0:28:40.725
<v Speaker 1>They did ground searches of creeks, trails, and ridges, but

0:28:40.845 --> 0:28:43.285
<v Speaker 1>no trace of my trees was found. The plan is

0:28:43.365 --> 0:28:46.285
<v Speaker 1>to put people really deep into the hills. A lot

0:28:46.365 --> 0:28:48.725
<v Speaker 1>of the areas have been checked already, but we're going

0:28:48.805 --> 0:28:52.685
<v Speaker 1>to really saturated, so Malibu Canyon will have people literally

0:28:52.845 --> 0:28:55.845
<v Speaker 1>getting airlifted down into the canyon, dropping people all the

0:28:55.885 --> 0:28:58.445
<v Speaker 1>way along the canyon. It's going to be a very slow,

0:28:58.525 --> 0:29:02.085
<v Speaker 1>methodical search. And Ronda was shocked to discover that even

0:29:02.085 --> 0:29:05.325
<v Speaker 1>though the police were doing massive searches, they had not

0:29:05.565 --> 0:29:08.845
<v Speaker 1>actually searched the area right next to Montenedo. And so

0:29:08.885 --> 0:29:11.125
<v Speaker 1>they showed us the big map of the area that

0:29:11.165 --> 0:29:13.805
<v Speaker 1>they were going to search, and so we were saying,

0:29:13.805 --> 0:29:15.845
<v Speaker 1>wait a minute, why are you if you're using all

0:29:15.885 --> 0:29:18.165
<v Speaker 1>this puns and all these people, why are you not

0:29:18.205 --> 0:29:21.405
<v Speaker 1>searching Montnito and in particular the creek bit because at

0:29:21.405 --> 0:29:24.045
<v Speaker 1>that point we learned about it. And then too Right

0:29:24.125 --> 0:29:26.285
<v Speaker 1>told us to be right. Was one of the officers

0:29:26.325 --> 0:29:28.725
<v Speaker 1>working on the case. Too We Right told us, well,

0:29:28.765 --> 0:29:31.485
<v Speaker 1>we're eventually going to cover one hundred percent of that area,

0:29:31.845 --> 0:29:33.645
<v Speaker 1>but we're not going to do that now. And I

0:29:33.685 --> 0:29:36.885
<v Speaker 1>was like, Chuy, I have read that when you're searching

0:29:36.885 --> 0:29:39.325
<v Speaker 1>for a missing person, they're more likely to be found

0:29:39.485 --> 0:29:41.565
<v Speaker 1>within the three mile radius of where they were lost

0:29:41.605 --> 0:29:44.365
<v Speaker 1>be so why not start in mont Needo and work

0:29:44.445 --> 0:29:50.685
<v Speaker 1>your way out. Tashaka worked with Rohnda Chip and Latis

0:29:51.085 --> 0:29:54.085
<v Speaker 1>to search the area in the woods right next to Montinito.

0:29:54.285 --> 0:29:58.805
<v Speaker 1>That's pretty much what got us into the and to

0:29:59.005 --> 0:30:02.445
<v Speaker 1>the old river bed that was down there, and how

0:30:02.485 --> 0:30:04.925
<v Speaker 1>we started to hike in to that area. I think

0:30:04.965 --> 0:30:07.205
<v Speaker 1>it was over in three separate times that we really

0:30:07.205 --> 0:30:09.925
<v Speaker 1>got in there. And I remember that hike because we

0:30:09.925 --> 0:30:13.765
<v Speaker 1>were going in and I started to get dark, so

0:30:13.885 --> 0:30:16.445
<v Speaker 1>I was worried about wildlife, and so we ended up

0:30:16.485 --> 0:30:20.325
<v Speaker 1>coming back. There was some folks who was stopped by

0:30:20.765 --> 0:30:23.685
<v Speaker 1>at the command center and would give these different stories

0:30:23.685 --> 0:30:28.485
<v Speaker 1>that of course interested our guys a lot, and it

0:30:28.565 --> 0:30:31.925
<v Speaker 1>was just very bizarre for the neighborhood. And I guess

0:30:32.725 --> 0:30:35.005
<v Speaker 1>that she wasn't the only one who had kind of

0:30:35.005 --> 0:30:38.765
<v Speaker 1>went missing where things had happened to other females in

0:30:38.805 --> 0:30:42.565
<v Speaker 1>that area, which made even more concerning. So just the

0:30:42.645 --> 0:30:45.565
<v Speaker 1>things that we found along the way, like we found

0:30:45.805 --> 0:30:48.245
<v Speaker 1>how many could be kids playing and doing other crazy

0:30:48.365 --> 0:30:51.005
<v Speaker 1>naughty things there, But we had found underwear, brawls and

0:30:51.045 --> 0:30:54.525
<v Speaker 1>things like that there did not belong to her at all.

0:30:54.565 --> 0:30:57.165
<v Speaker 1>But these are just some of the items that we found.

0:30:57.885 --> 0:31:00.525
<v Speaker 1>The searchers did find some things that struck them as odd.

0:31:01.285 --> 0:31:04.565
<v Speaker 1>This included a newly painted graffiti mural on a culvert

0:31:04.605 --> 0:31:11.925
<v Speaker 1>in the canyon of approximately thirteen African American women with

0:31:12.045 --> 0:31:23.645
<v Speaker 1>afros who were nude and very graphic sexually provocative positions.

0:31:24.365 --> 0:31:26.405
<v Speaker 1>Ronda said that she was spooked by the fact that

0:31:26.405 --> 0:31:29.085
<v Speaker 1>the mural portrayed a woman with the same hairstyle as

0:31:29.085 --> 0:31:33.125
<v Speaker 1>My Trees and said, la as a psychologist, there are

0:31:33.165 --> 0:31:38.805
<v Speaker 1>certain images within that mural that are quite telling. Very

0:31:38.845 --> 0:31:43.925
<v Speaker 1>often people who have some type of psychopathology will draw

0:31:44.245 --> 0:31:47.565
<v Speaker 1>images with big eyes, and there were two images that

0:31:47.605 --> 0:31:49.565
<v Speaker 1>had really big eyes, and one of them appeared to

0:31:49.685 --> 0:31:51.925
<v Speaker 1>Police said that they got into contact with the young

0:31:51.965 --> 0:31:55.125
<v Speaker 1>people who painted the mural. They said that the taggers

0:31:55.165 --> 0:31:57.765
<v Speaker 1>were fans of the pop artist Keith Herring and had

0:31:57.805 --> 0:32:00.805
<v Speaker 1>nothing to do with My Trees or the case. Okay,

0:32:05.725 --> 0:32:09.365
<v Speaker 1>here and near the trailer. In late June, nine months

0:32:09.365 --> 0:32:12.045
<v Speaker 1>after My Trese went missing, a search team with the

0:32:12.085 --> 0:32:14.965
<v Speaker 1>help of REACT, located a trailer that had been seen

0:32:14.965 --> 0:32:18.285
<v Speaker 1>around the area. It had a no trespassing sign in

0:32:18.325 --> 0:32:21.965
<v Speaker 1>the window. I mean didn't say no solicitation. Simon go ahead.

0:32:22.485 --> 0:32:25.205
<v Speaker 1>They also determined that the culvert where the graffiti was

0:32:25.245 --> 0:32:29.925
<v Speaker 1>tagged dropped down a cliff and into some bushes. Now watch,

0:32:29.965 --> 0:32:32.605
<v Speaker 1>it might drop off steeply if you very turbaned. Yeah,

0:32:32.685 --> 0:32:35.125
<v Speaker 1>so if he killed somebody here, he could drag him

0:32:35.125 --> 0:32:37.325
<v Speaker 1>through and shove him out the other side right the

0:32:37.365 --> 0:32:41.885
<v Speaker 1>bushes down there. Volunteers crawled inside with flashlights, but all

0:32:41.925 --> 0:32:44.285
<v Speaker 1>they found at the bottom were a couple of spray cans.

0:32:45.725 --> 0:32:49.405
<v Speaker 1>Tashaka and his team weren't giving up. They continued to

0:32:49.445 --> 0:32:57.125
<v Speaker 1>search the Monteenito area, and then there was hope. A

0:32:57.205 --> 0:32:59.965
<v Speaker 1>high school friend of my Teresa's was in Las Vegas

0:33:00.325 --> 0:33:04.005
<v Speaker 1>and he swore that he saw her. At a news

0:33:04.005 --> 0:33:07.805
<v Speaker 1>conference in Las Vegas, Los Angeles Police Captain Kevin McClure

0:33:08.005 --> 0:33:10.325
<v Speaker 1>said they'd followed up on leeds and conducted around one

0:33:10.405 --> 0:33:13.085
<v Speaker 1>hundred interviews in the area. We've located witnesses that are

0:33:13.125 --> 0:33:17.245
<v Speaker 1>positively seen her. We located all the way from waitresses, bartenders,

0:33:17.445 --> 0:33:21.765
<v Speaker 1>security officers, record citizens. We have talked to more than

0:33:21.965 --> 0:33:26.685
<v Speaker 1>seventy individuals who believe they have seen her. That's based

0:33:26.725 --> 0:33:30.125
<v Speaker 1>on a photograph and some passage of time in most instances,

0:33:30.685 --> 0:33:33.005
<v Speaker 1>but that volume causes us to believe we're on the

0:33:33.085 --> 0:33:45.005
<v Speaker 1>right track. It's been eleven months since my trese went

0:33:45.045 --> 0:33:51.605
<v Speaker 1>missing and nothing. On August ninth, twenty ten, California State

0:33:51.645 --> 0:33:55.565
<v Speaker 1>Park rangers were inspecting parts of the Santa Monica Recreation

0:33:55.645 --> 0:33:59.605
<v Speaker 1>Area for marijuana cultivation. They were deep in the woods

0:33:59.645 --> 0:34:02.445
<v Speaker 1>of Dark Canyon, near the creek bed that's dried up

0:34:02.445 --> 0:34:06.045
<v Speaker 1>in the summer months, scouting for irrigation lines when they

0:34:06.085 --> 0:34:19.205
<v Speaker 1>stumbled across scattered clothing and then human remains. Yeah, as

0:34:19.205 --> 0:34:23.845
<v Speaker 1>I put the people for sure, it's dry. My producer,

0:34:24.045 --> 0:34:26.445
<v Speaker 1>Gabby and I are hiking in the woods in what

0:34:26.565 --> 0:34:29.765
<v Speaker 1>feels like the middle of nowhere. I guess the rainy

0:34:29.885 --> 0:34:32.885
<v Speaker 1>time starts in late November and it floods, but then

0:34:32.925 --> 0:34:35.325
<v Speaker 1>the rest of the time it's dry as it is

0:34:35.365 --> 0:34:38.045
<v Speaker 1>now and like it was when my tree is wellnessing.

0:34:39.685 --> 0:34:42.925
<v Speaker 1>We started at the Backbone Trail in Malibu Creek State Park,

0:34:43.845 --> 0:34:46.845
<v Speaker 1>but we're going off trail now, following the creek bed.

0:34:47.045 --> 0:34:49.565
<v Speaker 1>We first started up the Backbone trail because we had

0:34:49.605 --> 0:34:51.085
<v Speaker 1>sort of a lot of people had told us that

0:34:51.125 --> 0:34:53.285
<v Speaker 1>the spot was accessible from there, but we and the

0:34:53.325 --> 0:34:57.245
<v Speaker 1>Backbone Trail looked walkable, like it looked like something that

0:34:57.325 --> 0:34:59.565
<v Speaker 1>you could potentially if you're on the road, turn down

0:34:59.565 --> 0:35:02.245
<v Speaker 1>and walk down. But once we got off of that

0:35:02.325 --> 0:35:04.645
<v Speaker 1>into the creek bad and started heading toward the back

0:35:05.525 --> 0:35:09.685
<v Speaker 1>of the house where the GPS coordinates start, it's really

0:35:10.405 --> 0:35:14.765
<v Speaker 1>it's very rocky. I wouldn't say, I mean, look, we're

0:35:14.765 --> 0:35:17.125
<v Speaker 1>both really out of breath, but we're very amateur hikers.

0:35:17.165 --> 0:35:20.365
<v Speaker 1>We were able to do it, so in no way dangerous,

0:35:20.365 --> 0:35:23.565
<v Speaker 1>but it's also absolutely not something that you could do

0:35:23.605 --> 0:35:27.645
<v Speaker 1>at night in the dark. The creek bed takes us

0:35:27.685 --> 0:35:31.125
<v Speaker 1>to Dark Canyon. As we get further and further into

0:35:31.125 --> 0:35:36.125
<v Speaker 1>the dense forest, the creek bed becomes more treacherous. Cliffs, rocks,

0:35:36.285 --> 0:35:41.085
<v Speaker 1>poison oak, and overgrown ivy also, and I've gotten stung

0:35:41.205 --> 0:35:44.845
<v Speaker 1>by everything down here. When we're almost to our destination,

0:35:45.565 --> 0:35:49.045
<v Speaker 1>we see irrigation pipes, we're seeing the irrigation We're seeing

0:35:49.085 --> 0:35:54.645
<v Speaker 1>some sort of irrigation system, which could be the irrigation

0:35:54.725 --> 0:35:59.045
<v Speaker 1>system that the guys from Alvy Search and Rescue found

0:35:59.085 --> 0:36:05.685
<v Speaker 1>that day. On the day they found the remains, the

0:36:05.805 --> 0:36:08.605
<v Speaker 1>ranger's job was to make sure that the marijuana growers

0:36:08.645 --> 0:36:12.005
<v Speaker 1>had not come back. Then one of the searchers saw

0:36:12.005 --> 0:36:16.045
<v Speaker 1>something among the leaves, a red leather strap, then a

0:36:16.045 --> 0:36:20.245
<v Speaker 1>black bra partially covered with debris, and finally a pair

0:36:20.285 --> 0:36:24.525
<v Speaker 1>of blue jeans. Then the supervising ranger saw a human

0:36:24.565 --> 0:36:28.485
<v Speaker 1>skull and a leg bone. The ranger could not get

0:36:28.485 --> 0:36:30.925
<v Speaker 1>a signal on his cell phone, so he notified his

0:36:31.045 --> 0:36:35.005
<v Speaker 1>dispatcher by radio. Tshaka just happened to be monitoring the

0:36:35.085 --> 0:36:37.565
<v Speaker 1>radio that day. So part of what we do at

0:36:37.685 --> 0:36:40.965
<v Speaker 1>La Ni React is that we monitor police fire frequencies.

0:36:41.245 --> 0:36:44.245
<v Speaker 1>So that day I just remember, I don't even know

0:36:44.285 --> 0:36:48.285
<v Speaker 1>why and how, but I was working and I was listening,

0:36:48.285 --> 0:36:51.605
<v Speaker 1>and I just tuned into the radio call, and so

0:36:52.485 --> 0:36:54.645
<v Speaker 1>from knowing that they found something too, we don't know

0:36:54.645 --> 0:36:56.765
<v Speaker 1>what it is. It could be an animal, it could

0:36:56.765 --> 0:37:01.325
<v Speaker 1>be this, you know. Tshaka called Ronda and the family

0:37:01.405 --> 0:37:03.685
<v Speaker 1>hustled to the edge of the canyon to wait for news.

0:37:03.965 --> 0:37:05.685
<v Speaker 1>All of a sudden, I got a phone call from

0:37:05.685 --> 0:37:09.565
<v Speaker 1>to Shaka star Well from the reacting So he said, Rhonda,

0:37:10.325 --> 0:37:14.365
<v Speaker 1>he said me, remains have been found in that general

0:37:14.405 --> 0:37:16.925
<v Speaker 1>area where my trees was, and he's it was the

0:37:16.965 --> 0:37:20.925
<v Speaker 1>way that it was a partly partially mummified skeletal remains,

0:37:21.165 --> 0:37:25.445
<v Speaker 1>and they believe it's my trees. I called Latis, cancel

0:37:25.485 --> 0:37:27.205
<v Speaker 1>my day, cancel her day. We jumped in the car

0:37:27.245 --> 0:37:31.925
<v Speaker 1>and we headed out there. They kept waiting. Tshaka went

0:37:32.005 --> 0:37:34.445
<v Speaker 1>to the Lost Hill Sheriff's department to get more information.

0:37:35.245 --> 0:37:37.765
<v Speaker 1>He kept calling the Lost Hill station to try and

0:37:37.765 --> 0:37:41.725
<v Speaker 1>get updates. Then in the meantime, Lauren called the detective saying, hey,

0:37:41.765 --> 0:37:45.085
<v Speaker 1>we got word that there's remains found. Lauren is Latis's sister,

0:37:45.605 --> 0:37:48.685
<v Speaker 1>my Terce's aunt. He's like, what are you talking about? Yeah,

0:37:48.805 --> 0:37:50.045
<v Speaker 1>what are you talking about? And then oh, when there

0:37:50.085 --> 0:37:52.765
<v Speaker 1>was just a couple of bones, it was we're like, well, no,

0:37:52.805 --> 0:37:55.805
<v Speaker 1>we have for that. It is partially mummified remains. So

0:37:55.925 --> 0:37:58.565
<v Speaker 1>even then and you guys don't need to come. Of course,

0:37:58.565 --> 0:38:01.045
<v Speaker 1>we headed out there. So it was right there, and

0:38:01.125 --> 0:38:04.925
<v Speaker 1>so we just waited there for ever, and they were

0:38:04.965 --> 0:38:06.485
<v Speaker 1>trying to get us go home. And we went and

0:38:06.485 --> 0:38:08.925
<v Speaker 1>go home and they're like, well, nothing's going to happen

0:38:08.965 --> 0:38:11.285
<v Speaker 1>until morning. Way out, we'll stay posted. I was said,

0:38:11.285 --> 0:38:13.765
<v Speaker 1>oh my car, okay, yeah, And so we wouldn't go.

0:38:13.805 --> 0:38:15.925
<v Speaker 1>We wouldn't go, And so then it started getting like

0:38:16.045 --> 0:38:19.725
<v Speaker 1>later and I just so eventually we saw the helicopter

0:38:20.125 --> 0:38:23.525
<v Speaker 1>and then to shock up because he's very aware. He goes,

0:38:23.685 --> 0:38:25.805
<v Speaker 1>I bet she's in there. I bet they air lifted

0:38:25.805 --> 0:38:27.805
<v Speaker 1>her out right. But they told us that they were

0:38:27.845 --> 0:38:29.405
<v Speaker 1>going to do it in the morning, is what they

0:38:29.405 --> 0:38:31.805
<v Speaker 1>told us, Like, well, we'll sit here till the morning. There.

0:38:34.165 --> 0:38:37.205
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't until the following day that it was officially

0:38:37.245 --> 0:38:40.165
<v Speaker 1>confirmed that there were remains that were extracted from the

0:38:40.205 --> 0:38:43.645
<v Speaker 1>middle of Dark Canyon in the creek bed, and that

0:38:43.685 --> 0:38:48.485
<v Speaker 1>they were my Terce's. She was found partially mummified, naked,

0:38:48.965 --> 0:39:04.885
<v Speaker 1>with her clothing several feet away from her where she

0:39:05.045 --> 0:39:08.965
<v Speaker 1>was fat. There's no way that she could get down there.

0:39:09.725 --> 0:39:14.885
<v Speaker 1>I just I just remember Bill Smith's home and we're

0:39:14.925 --> 0:39:18.605
<v Speaker 1>walking on a trail. There's a trail, and then the

0:39:18.645 --> 0:39:21.605
<v Speaker 1>trail kind of ends itself, but if you kind of

0:39:21.645 --> 0:39:24.725
<v Speaker 1>go through some rough terrain, you can kind of make

0:39:24.765 --> 0:39:27.805
<v Speaker 1>it through to the ravine, which is on a cliff side.

0:39:28.565 --> 0:39:30.765
<v Speaker 1>So I mean, the way that it looks like her

0:39:30.805 --> 0:39:34.645
<v Speaker 1>body was found, it was if you look down on

0:39:34.685 --> 0:39:37.885
<v Speaker 1>the side of a cliff, kind of like she was

0:39:37.965 --> 0:39:43.085
<v Speaker 1>pushed her or was thrown over downside this cliff side

0:39:43.165 --> 0:39:47.965
<v Speaker 1>into that ravine. I very seriously doubt that anything or

0:39:48.005 --> 0:39:53.965
<v Speaker 1>something put her deep down in that ravine. We've asked

0:39:53.965 --> 0:39:56.725
<v Speaker 1>almost everyone this question, and it's hard to get a

0:39:56.725 --> 0:40:01.005
<v Speaker 1>clear answer. Could my trees have gotten in there herself?

0:40:02.605 --> 0:40:06.165
<v Speaker 1>Most of them say no. First an anyone who knows

0:40:06.205 --> 0:40:09.765
<v Speaker 1>my trees says that she hated the woods. And second,

0:40:10.485 --> 0:40:13.485
<v Speaker 1>where she was found is miles from any access point.

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<v Speaker 1>So while the road and civilization border interner weave the

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<v Speaker 1>state parks, one wrong turn and you could be lost

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<v Speaker 1>deep in the woods. But why would my trees have

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<v Speaker 1>kept walking? I just don't see her hiking that deep.

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<v Speaker 1>We checked all the ways into where she was found

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<v Speaker 1>and there was no way. I mean, it was rough

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<v Speaker 1>for us. I mean I remember climbing through water tubes,

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<v Speaker 1>sliding down I'm sure to see some of to get

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<v Speaker 1>down to the point where we absolutely could not go

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<v Speaker 1>anywhere and anymore, and that was only due to the sunlight,

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<v Speaker 1>and then getting back to where we needed originally started from.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just very, very very I mean, it's we were men.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't We did walk. We did hike with the family.

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<v Speaker 1>Family did hike with us. It was daylight, so it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't that difficult. But at night there's no way I

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<v Speaker 1>could see it at any type of state the moonlight,

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<v Speaker 1>because I went out there one night. Now I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to see, and we were right in front of Bill

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<v Speaker 1>Smith's house, and I wanted to see what does it

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<v Speaker 1>look like that night there? And the moonlight is the

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<v Speaker 1>only light that you actually just see. But when you're

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<v Speaker 1>down in the grove, the grove, the ravine area, it's

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<v Speaker 1>so shaded, it's shaded by the trees that the moonlight,

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<v Speaker 1>it just no justice didn't help at all. Is it

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<v Speaker 1>really plausible that my trees could have walked down here

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<v Speaker 1>herself hiked for hours through sharp thorns and trees and

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<v Speaker 1>climbed up boulders, and then for some reason decided to

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<v Speaker 1>take her clothes off and keep walking into danger. When

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<v Speaker 1>we went on our hike, it was nearly impossible to

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<v Speaker 1>walk along the creek bed. It started out almost like

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<v Speaker 1>a normal hike. I mean, it was a narrow trail,

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<v Speaker 1>it was somewhat steep, but you could see, you could

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<v Speaker 1>see houses, you could see the sides of the mountain.

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<v Speaker 1>It just felt like an omal height. But once we

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<v Speaker 1>got on the creek bed, it started to be just

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<v Speaker 1>like we're climbing over giant boulders and under logs, and

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<v Speaker 1>now it's really impossible to get off of this trail

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<v Speaker 1>because both sides were down in a valley, and so

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<v Speaker 1>each side going up is very steep, so there's really

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<v Speaker 1>no way to climb out of here. You kind of

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<v Speaker 1>have to just go forward or backward. I don't think that.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, we're going to walk out toward the road

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<v Speaker 1>and we're going to see if there's any like obvious

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<v Speaker 1>way she could have made it down here from the

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<v Speaker 1>road the other way. But as of right now, if

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<v Speaker 1>it continues like this, I'm gonna go ahead and say

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<v Speaker 1>there's no way she walked to herself, I'm now more

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<v Speaker 1>convinced that she did not walk here. Next time on

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<v Speaker 1>Helen Gone, it is the confirmed remains of why Trees Richardson.

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<v Speaker 1>Would we bury her? We're going to have to fight

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<v Speaker 1>for exhamation. Yeah, this situation is is really unfortunate and

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<v Speaker 1>would have made it very difficult to determine the cause

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<v Speaker 1>of death. This is not closed. This is still open,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's what they're going to do. Now. If you

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<v Speaker 1>object to that, that's your I'm just asking you, is

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<v Speaker 1>that proper? What do you think of my going different?

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<v Speaker 1>Is this circumstance, everything about it is a screaming red flag.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think I've ever seen a case where that happened.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Katherine Townsend and this is Helen Gone. Helen Gone

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<v Speaker 1>is a production of School of Humans and iHeartRadio. It's

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