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Speaker 2: and the Giants Mobile App. Thrilled to be with the

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Speaker 2: Big Man, Howard Cross on this Tuesday. We had some

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Speaker 2: machinations this week which we finally figured out after putting

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Speaker 2: Howard in a bad spot yesterday. I apologize for that.

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Speaker 2: It's all presented by Cadillac, which Howard got to drive

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Speaker 2: around a lot yesterday when he came back and forth

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Speaker 2: from here twice, the official luxury vehicle of the New

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Speaker 2: York Football Giants. We're gonna get to a lot of

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Speaker 2: your calls, folks. Two one nine three nine four five

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Speaker 2: one three. We'll try to do as many calls as

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Speaker 2: we can. Two A one nine three nine four five

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Speaker 2: one three is the first time we're here for a

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Speaker 2: Victor Week Howard because we were out there in San

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Speaker 2: Francisco for the last one. So it's a little bit

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Speaker 2: different being back in the building off of a win.

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Speaker 2: And look, you are going to send the offensive tape

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Speaker 2: to Canton. They're eighteen punts. It was fourteen to seven.

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Speaker 2: But a win is a winner, is a win is

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Speaker 2: in this game. They were flat out dominent and it

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Speaker 3: It did you know dex was playing out of his mind?

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Speaker 3: You know, I felt kind of bad for Nick Gates.

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Speaker 3: I was happy for him to be playing, but he

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Speaker 3: caught Dexter if when Dexter was being the man, dexte

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Speaker 3: so I'm like, okay, you got dex a learned dancing.

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Speaker 3: And Thibodeau comes off the edge really well for the

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Speaker 2: And he was winning outside too, which he hasn't been

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Speaker 3: And lucky he got himself a little bin there, so

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Speaker 3: that was awesome. And you can't say enough about Banks.

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Speaker 3: The rookie corner. I'm telling you, this kid is having

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Speaker 3: some kind of a year. I mean, one play I

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Speaker 2: No, I gotta be honest with you. I miss you know.

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Speaker 2: My role changed a little bit of shiffy people that

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Speaker 2: I don't know. So I'm doing the pre and post

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure if it was brought up on TV.

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Speaker 2: But Banks was chatty with Terry mclaur my goodness, was

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Speaker 2: chatty and you could tarry Turk. Mclauran was like, dude, like.

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Speaker 3: Darry started it. Oh yeah, he started like okay, rookie,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And look, I thought the first half there wasn't.

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Speaker 2: He doesn't think a lot right. He doesn't overthink things

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Speaker 3: Thing, I think it's more you should say it like

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Speaker 3: He just doesn't happen. He does really good at it,

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Speaker 2: He has to make sure mc lauren's down on that

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Speaker 2: No, I know he was down, but he has to

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Speaker 3: Absolutely absolutely, I like to I liked a linebacker play

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Speaker 2: Fadden continues to play well man.

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Speaker 3: And I think the thing that I complained about or

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Speaker 2: Yeah they are now now now there are.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and look, I can't say enough good things about

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Speaker 2: Howel did a good job of spinning at it and

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Speaker 2: and he created a lot of rush opportunities just off

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Speaker 3: I think he did. But I think I think the

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Speaker 3: big reason is Dexter in the middle. Dex was unbelievable.

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Speaker 3: And when when there's a guy that's right in the

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Speaker 3: gotta kind of help over here before I go. Before

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Speaker 3: I do, could you put your hand out a little bit,

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Speaker 3: give me some help before you go out, Like no,

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Speaker 3: Like this guy's gonna run by me. Then the guy

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then let's go to the offensive side of

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Speaker 2: the ball here, Howard, Before we get to your phone

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna go back to the explosive plays again. Even

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Speaker 2: though they lost to the Bills fourteen to nine in

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Speaker 2: that game, Howard, they actually outgained the Bills in terms

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Speaker 2: And in this game, Washington had a couple of big plays,

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Speaker 2: one of twenty seven yards, one of thirty one yards.

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Speaker 2: it was a good combination of different types of plays

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Speaker 3: They make all the difference, well, they do make all

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Speaker 3: the difference. But you know, we can't overstate the importance

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Speaker 3: they're trying to follow. We gotta file saquad. We don't

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Speaker 3: And those are some of the plays that happened. The

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Speaker 3: but they've been playing better. There wasn't an eleven sacks,

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Speaker 2: Aside from the Arizona game, this was their best game.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna go when I'm gonna do you one better.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, it's not like and by the way,

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Speaker 3: And you know, besides all of everything else he does

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Speaker 2: Six, anything else you took out of the game. Howd

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Speaker 3: I think that you know that that you know. I

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Speaker 4: When Andrew Thomas is out, when Saquon Barkley is out,

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Speaker 4: is going, and your passing is progressing tremendously, it just

436
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Speaker 4: shows with Tua and the Miami Dolphins that running game

437
00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:45,560
Speaker 4: is the best in the NFL, which makes Tua get

438
00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:48,800
Speaker 4: those fast releases off even better, the play actions even better.

439
00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:51,400
Speaker 4: It just when you have a good running game, your

440
00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:53,080
Speaker 4: path game is going to be better. Now to my

441
00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:56,439
Speaker 4: point about Andrew Thomas and Saquon Barkley, when they're not

442
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Speaker 4: on the field, you feel it for some reason, I'm

443
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Speaker 4: a Daniel Jones guy, but when Tyron's back there, I

444
00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:07,399
Speaker 4: don't miss Daniel Jones for a second. I for some reason.

445
00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:11,760
Speaker 4: Tyrod just feels like he gives us a better chance. Now,

446
00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:14,359
Speaker 4: I'm a Daniel Jones stand and he's our number one quarterback,

447
00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:16,240
Speaker 4: and I get it, we gave him the contract. But

448
00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:19,200
Speaker 4: I was at that Miami game when Tyrod came in.

449
00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:21,800
Speaker 4: I watched Daniel Jones for three quarters or maybe even four.

450
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Speaker 4: I think he went down in the fourth. It all

451
00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:28,080
Speaker 4: became a blur after a while. But when I saw

452
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Speaker 4: Tyrod get in there and just start hitting those, I

453
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Speaker 4: mean like his release was quicker. He was hitting Waller

454
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Speaker 4: in tight windows. Even that touchdown to get the Commanders.

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Speaker 2: To Waller.

456
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Speaker 4: Was I throw, yes, exactly just like it makes me

457
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Speaker 4: wonder could Daniel have hit that? But all I wanted

458
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Speaker 4: to say is Tyrod gave us a chance to beat

459
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Speaker 4: the Bill, which game that a lot of US Giants

460
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Speaker 4: fans felt like we had no shot in help. But

461
00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:59,760
Speaker 4: he looks smoother when he's even when the pocket collapses,

462
00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:02,960
Speaker 4: Tyrod just looks smoother when he's getting out of there.

463
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Speaker 4: He's a little bit more elusive than Daniel. I don't

464
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Speaker 4: think anyone's going to disagree Daniel's athletics, but Tyron just

465
00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:10,800
Speaker 4: looks a little bit more elusive, he has a quicker release,

466
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Speaker 4: and he spreads the ball and he's hitting those tight

467
00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:17,560
Speaker 4: windows that Darren Waller touchdown goes to show. So I

468
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Speaker 4: guess my point is, you know now that I live,

469
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Speaker 4: you know, I'm living in Miami, and I get a

470
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Speaker 4: lot of people that are like Daniel Jones, Daniel Jones,

471
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Speaker 4: Daniel Jones, and you know, of course they're going to

472
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Speaker 4: talk their stuff. Can you guys explain to the football

473
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Speaker 4: fans and maybe that people that don't understand how that

474
00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:37,720
Speaker 4: contract is going to work out, like how exactly does

475
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Speaker 4: the contract work out with Dan Jones? Because I hear

476
00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:41,280
Speaker 4: a lot of people say, oh, it's a two year

477
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Speaker 4: thing when it's a four year thing. I know that

478
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Speaker 4: you guys are breaking this down before, but if you

479
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Speaker 4: can maybe dumb it down for people that don't really

480
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Speaker 4: understand it, could you break that down? And I'll leave

481
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Speaker 4: you guys off with one more thing, as honest watchers

482
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Speaker 4: of the game. I know you guys work for the

483
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Speaker 4: Giants and I get it, But as watchers of the

484
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Speaker 4: game football, and you agree that Tyrod just looks a

485
00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:05,640
Speaker 4: little bit better out there than Daniel Jones, And I'll

486
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Speaker 4: leave you guys with that, and I appreciate all your

487
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Speaker 4: hard work, fellows. Thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Julian. How would I let you answer the question?

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Speaker 3: The last part is does Tyrod look better than Daniel?

490
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Speaker 3: Not really? And I know that the facts look look

491
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Speaker 3: bad when you say something like that. I'm telling you, guys,

492
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Speaker 3: Daniel played a lot without without Saquon. It just wasn't

493
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Speaker 3: good for him.

494
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Speaker 2: And he got hit a million times. Has not got

495
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Speaker 2: hit a million times?

496
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Speaker 3: And I was kind of laughing at the stat that

497
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Speaker 3: kept getting thrown out over and over again. How Carl

498
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Speaker 3: was his name, the quarterback from from Washington. How had

499
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Speaker 3: he was the most sacked guy in the NFL. I'm like,

500
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Speaker 3: because Daniel's been.

501
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Speaker 2: Hurt, they were actually before Daniels.

502
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Speaker 3: So like, when you're getting hit that much, it's hard,

503
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Speaker 3: you know, And a lot of times he's getting he

504
00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:54,960
Speaker 3: was getting hit, you know, in the second step of

505
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Speaker 3: a three step drop. That has nothing to do with

506
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Speaker 3: quick releases or anything. And that just was the unfortunately,

507
00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:03,640
Speaker 3: and the guys would tell you, the guys up front

508
00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:05,359
Speaker 3: will tell you it was just really really bad line

509
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Speaker 3: play and he was the subject of that. And when

510
00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:11,679
Speaker 3: there's no real threat to keep guys, honest, they just

511
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Speaker 3: tee off and come after you. And if you get

512
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Speaker 3: down way way down, they really tee off and come

513
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Speaker 3: after you. So you know, the addition of Saque has

514
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Speaker 3: helped out a lot.

515
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Speaker 2: And the defense playing better has helped Howard. That's the

516
00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:24,280
Speaker 2: other part of it that people aren't realizing the.

517
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Speaker 3: Defense isn't helping out. Defense is changing the game. They

518
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Speaker 3: are playing an elite level of defense right now that

519
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Speaker 3: if they were playing that at that rate the entire time,

520
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Speaker 3: it could have been a little different down the road

521
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Speaker 3: because you just get more opportunities, like.

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Speaker 2: For example, the Seahawks game. The Seahawks game wasn't that

523
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Speaker 2: much different than the Commander and Buffalo games, except you

524
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Speaker 2: had that terrible pick six at the goal on and

525
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Speaker 2: that changed everything. If they score a touchdown there instead

526
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Speaker 2: of throwing the pick six, and look, no one's defending

527
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Speaker 2: Daniel in that. It was a bad throw, it was

528
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Speaker 2: a bad decision, it was bad play. That's fourteen ten

529
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Speaker 2: or fourteen six. Instead it turns into twenty one to three,

530
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Speaker 2: and then the floodgates open and then you don't have

531
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Speaker 2: a chance because you're trying to throw every down there.

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Speaker 3: Everybody gets you know, kind of down. When you get

533
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Speaker 3: way down there happens.

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Speaker 2: Well, and then the pass rush. The don't thorry about

535
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Speaker 2: the run anymore. They just go right to the quarterback

536
00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:14,400
Speaker 2: all that stuff and nose take one, et cetera, et cetera,

537
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Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera. Look has Tyrod looked better the

538
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Speaker 2: last couple of weeks. Yeah, but that's because the conditions

539
00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:22,040
Speaker 2: around him have been better, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: And that's why.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, But I think also, like you know, I know,

542
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Speaker 3: we're supposed to be playing elite defenses, but the elite

543
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Speaker 3: of the elite defenses we've already played. They looked the

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Speaker 3: eleaite of the elite.

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Speaker 2: No, Washington is not an elite defense. They're on the bottom.

546
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Speaker 2: And we said this on the shows last week, bottom

547
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Speaker 2: quartile of the league in terms of play success and

548
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Speaker 2: all that stuff.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I said, but we've been playing the elite of

550
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Speaker 3: the elite defenses in the beginning. Yeah, and now we're

551
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Speaker 3: not so. And I'm not knock anybody's defenses out there, please.

552
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Speaker 2: But you know, you get defensive weeks pretty good though,

553
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Speaker 2: I say.

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Speaker 3: Jess defense is pretty good. So whoever's playing, whether it's

555
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Speaker 3: Tyrod or Daniel, they're gonna have their hands full. Correct,

556
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Speaker 3: they just start and and all the the wonderful you

557
00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:02,000
Speaker 3: know Accolade been giving the offensive line, they still give

558
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,200
Speaker 3: up five sacks, right, And it's not gonna get better

559
00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:08,040
Speaker 3: this week because they're gonna have better guys and guys

560
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:09,880
Speaker 3: that are hungry, because they're gonna be like, hey, look,

561
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Speaker 3: this is our this is our stadium kind of argument

562
00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:16,679
Speaker 3: that you know, whatever, you know, bolletin board material, let

563
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:18,760
Speaker 3: will try to use to get themselves hyped up. And

564
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Speaker 3: it's funny that that's something that people still do at

565
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Speaker 3: this age, but they'll still do it, so it'll be

566
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Speaker 3: interesting to.

567
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Speaker 2: See, right, And I'll just say one other thing, and

568
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Speaker 2: again this isn't taking anything away from a Tyrod Tayler,

569
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Speaker 2: but he's in a really nice job.

570
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Speaker 3: I love the Tyrod's play.

571
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Speaker 2: I think he's been great, but as people, you know,

572
00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:36,399
Speaker 2: think it's been so much better and everything like that.

573
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Speaker 2: On the year, Howard, how many points per game of

574
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Speaker 2: the Giants averaging I don't know, twelve point one last

575
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Speaker 2: two weeks. How many total points of the Giants scored

576
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Speaker 2: with Tyrod Taylor as the starting quarterback?

577
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Speaker 3: Probably twelve point one.

578
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Speaker 2: No, No, they scored fourteen this week and they scored

579
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Speaker 2: nine against the Bills. That's twenty three points. Twenty three

580
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Speaker 2: divided by two, that's eleven and a half. They averaged

581
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Speaker 2: more points for game with Daniel Jones as a starter

582
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Speaker 2: than Tyrond Taller.

583
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Speaker 3: It's whatever again.

584
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Speaker 2: I'm just giving a bigger, broader perspective in terms of

585
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Speaker 2: of what you're looking at and the best half of

586
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,679
Speaker 2: offensive football we've seen the Giants play all year. Happened

587
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 2: with Daniel Jones and Saquon Barkley on the field in

588
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,199
Speaker 2: the second half against Arizona, and they scored thirty one

589
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:22,480
Speaker 2: points in two quarters. I'm just trying to put everything

590
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Speaker 2: in context here.

591
00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:24,199
Speaker 3: I'll put it in context.

592
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 2: I'll leave it that.

593
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Speaker 3: I'll put it in context. I'm not a fan. I

594
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 3: want the Giants to win. That's all I want. I'm

595
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Speaker 3: not doing the whole who's gonna do what? Whin Well?

596
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Speaker 2: You better be ready be is. Let's go to Wilson

597
00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 2: in Roxburgh. He's on next Wilson. Wilson's back for more

598
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Speaker 2: with Howard Hi Wilson.

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Speaker 6: Hey, listen, I like I like paying that's what you're

600
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Speaker 6: going back?

601
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Speaker 2: What do you got today, will keep down? Are you

602
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:52,639
Speaker 2: happy today? Are you happy today? Wilson, are you a

603
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:53,240
Speaker 2: happy man?

604
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Speaker 6: I'm happy, good, I'm happy. Listen listen. I just know.

605
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Speaker 6: But it is so atnine in Milana that I not

606
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Speaker 6: only have to listen to New York Radio for this

607
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:07,240
Speaker 6: whole week, but not some of the callers that somehow

608
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Speaker 6: the Giants are better off with Tyler Taylor than Daniel Jones.

609
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Speaker 6: I mean, that is beyond.

610
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Speaker 5: That is beyond.

611
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Speaker 6: I'm not stupid, it's that's not just doesn't that's the

612
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Speaker 6: word that comes up. I mean, we I like Tyra,

613
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Speaker 6: but we know what Tyra Taylor is. And Daniel Jones,

614
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 6: to me, it has a top kN arm. He said,

615
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Speaker 6: he's a top five one quarterback and it's tough for

616
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Speaker 6: them nine percent of the quarterback in this league. But

617
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Speaker 6: for some reason, I think it's just too toxic for

618
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Speaker 6: him here. And Brian Daviell doesn't help. I mean, Brian

619
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Speaker 6: Dabell can just say when Daniel's Helphy, he's my starting quarterback,

620
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Speaker 6: but he doesn't do it.

621
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Speaker 2: So I have a no Wilson. He said exactly that.

622
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Speaker 2: Two weeks ago, at a press conference, he was asked

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Speaker 2: he was asked after the Bills game, is Daniel your

624
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Speaker 2: sort of quarterback when he was back? Said yes, yes

625
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Speaker 2: he is.

626
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Speaker 6: I remember, John, but yes, that was after a loss. Okay,

627
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Speaker 6: I just want to ask something.

628
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Speaker 4: Do you think?

629
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Speaker 6: And I don't know this and I'm just gonna ask

630
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Speaker 6: you guys, this was this? Was this Joe Shank and

631
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 6: Brian Gables call? Or was this John Meyri's call about

632
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 6: Daniel Jones has to be If it was John Meyri's calls,

633
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 6: it's organization.

634
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:26,160
Speaker 2: It's Joe Shane's call, Wilson, Joe Shane makes those.

635
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Speaker 6: Okay, I don't know, Johnny. I'm asking you, well, well.

636
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Speaker 2: Said, I love. I will so real quick. I'm going

637
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:32,920
Speaker 2: to tell you a little bit of a story, okay,

638
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 2: and I hope I don't get in trouble to this,

639
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 2: but I'm gonna tell a quick story. So the day

640
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 2: they were getting up to the deadline, the four o'clock

641
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 2: franchise Tag deadline with Daniel Jones on what was it

642
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 2: a Monday, I think or in February whatever it was,

643
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Speaker 2: and we were doing the show that day. We're walking

644
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Speaker 2: back and forth to the studio and you literally see

645
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Speaker 2: as you get to the deadline, and I'm I'm not

646
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Speaker 2: going to give names. Giant front of his personnel having

647
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 2: conversations and meetings. His agents are here, they're going in

648
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 2: and out of rooms, they're having meetings, they're talking to

649
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 2: these guys, and it wasn't ownership in those meetings. It

650
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,399
Speaker 2: was giants front office personnel in those meetings. Not to

651
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,160
Speaker 2: say that they're not consulting with ownership. John Mayra obviously,

652
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 2: when you're you know, talking about franchise quarterbacks and contracts

653
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,400
Speaker 2: of that size, he's going to be involved in those conversations.

654
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 2: But it was Joe Shane and obviously Kevin Abrams on

655
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,360
Speaker 2: the financial side, and Triggs all those guys that were

656
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:32,400
Speaker 2: putting that together and are making those decisions. So that's

657
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,639
Speaker 2: who's making those calls. John Mayra obviously has input, he

658
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,120
Speaker 2: has approval. He's the owner when you're gonna.

659
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:39,120
Speaker 6: Send out money.

660
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's the one right in the checks wells at

661
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,640
Speaker 2: one hundred percent. But that is that is Joe Shane's

662
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 2: decision as to what whether or not they want to

663
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 2: bring Daniel Jones back and what his contract is going

664
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 2: to be.

665
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:53,639
Speaker 6: Okay, I want to ask Howard. I want to ask

666
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 6: you this because we're a former player, could have could

667
00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 6: have get so toxic in one player for you because

668
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 6: of the media, the fans and everything that even though

669
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:10,119
Speaker 6: even though the organization knows that you're a group player

670
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 6: and you can help, it could be so toxic that

671
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:14,359
Speaker 6: you just then you have to say, you know what,

672
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 6: we don't want to do it, but we don't have

673
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:21,360
Speaker 6: a choice, and just start first somewhere else. Because listen,

674
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 6: you put Daniel Jones right on the Atlanta Falcons. Not

675
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,439
Speaker 6: only they'll run away with that division this year, probably

676
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 6: they'll run away with the division two years from now.

677
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,160
Speaker 6: So is it better Is it better for the Giants

678
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 6: to say it's too toxics for you? Daniel here, get

679
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,920
Speaker 6: a second rounder and two turar round picks and just

680
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 6: move on, and and and and I don't know, because

681
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:44,959
Speaker 6: to me it's just I love Daniel, But sometimes situations

682
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 6: could be too toxic. And it looks too it looks

683
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 6: like it's too what happened? Let me ask something, what

684
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 6: happens if Tara Taylor beat the jet next week? How

685
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 6: how can they go back to Daniel? I mean, you

686
00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 6: you know what can happen in New York Radio, it's

687
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 6: it's going to be like, what are they doing? They're crazy?

688
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 6: You understand what I'm saying.

689
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, but Wi, you have to think of it like this, Wilson.

690
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 3: I appreciate that was one of Wilson's nicer calls. Good question,

691
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 3: but but in theory, and I hope I don't offend

692
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 3: anyone because I'm from Alabama and everything, and I know

693
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 3: that we've had bad, bad, bad comments in the press.

694
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 3: When you're playing a game and they're paying you money

695
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 3: to play, you don't really care what's going on.

696
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 2: You know how you're perceived, and Daniel does a good

697
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 2: job of blocking this stuff.

698
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 3: You just want to play and give it your best,

699
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 3: and you know, and it becomes a moment of Hey,

700
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 3: I'm doing my job the best I can do my job,

701
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 3: and if they don't, if the team doesn't want me,

702
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 3: I don't care what I'm hearing from the outside world.

703
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 3: I played here for thirteen seasons. After I got the

704
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 3: starting job. They drafted tight ends, they they brought somebody

705
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 3: in every year. They brought everybody in, and I played

706
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 3: started the entire time. I played until I got tired

707
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 3: of playing. I'm like, man, I'm done. I'm like, it's

708
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 3: just I'm done. I'm tired and I and I stopped.

709
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 3: I could have went to another team and kept playing.

710
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 3: I was getting calls, hey, are you how you doing?

711
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 3: Are you really going to retire? I'm like, yeah, I

712
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 3: got babies. I just I just had twins. So like,

713
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 3: it's not about it's not about anymore. Yeah yeah they're adults. No,

714
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 3: but but but it's but it's not about for the player.

715
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 3: It's not about the media and everything that you hear.

716
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 3: And I've had media members, you know, ask me, well,

717
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 3: when are you going to do this? And Mike, if

718
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 3: they throw me the ball, I'll catch it. But well,

719
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 3: why aren't you catching more balls? I said, Well, that

720
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 3: guy over there with the number ninety two on someone

721
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 3: has to help block him.

722
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 2: Was that Polatino asking you that question?

723
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 3: Paulatino asked you that one time we were playing Green Bay.

724
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 3: I got I got on to me be Goes. I

725
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 3: never said that. I'm like, Paul, you were just like

726
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 3: everybody else, Like it was just I just laughed. You

727
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 3: do what they asked you to do, and you try

728
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 3: to do it. Well, that's all you can do.

729
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 2: And previous call, Julian asked the Daniel Jones contract, I

730
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 2: forgot to do it. I'll do it for you now,

731
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 2: and again, don't want to talk about other people's money.

732
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 2: I don't know the exact details of the contract. I'm

733
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 2: going off of what's being publicly reported at overthcap dot com.

734
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 2: So I'm just looking at over the caap dot com.

735
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 2: These are the details that are on there. If it's

736
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 2: exactly right or not, I can't tell you, but I

737
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 2: can tell you this was on over the Cap and

738
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 2: usually they're pretty good with their number. So in short,

739
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 2: he said, we want me to simplify it, I'll simplify it.

740
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 2: If the Giants want to get out of the contract

741
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 2: after next year, they would take a twenty two million

742
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 2: dollar cap hit that you could spread over a couple

743
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 2: of seasons. That's simple. That's simple, and that would be

744
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 2: the dead money if you want to get out of

745
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 2: it after next year. If you get out of it

746
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 2: after three years, you actually save money on the cap

747
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 2: moving forward. So that's basically what the contract is. And

748
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 2: that's that was the back and forth, right. That's why

749
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 2: I guaranteed money's important to players because you're getting that

750
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 2: no matter what for the team. You want to have

751
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 2: an out where you can get out and it's not

752
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 2: going to kill you financially. And that's what the back

753
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 2: and forth is between player and team. So again, according

754
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 2: to over the cap, that's pretty much where you're at.

755
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 2: You can get out after the twenty twenty four season

756
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 2: with a twenty million dollar cap hit and that would be.

757
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 3: You know, spread out over a couple of years.

758
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 2: You you, if you make it a post June eleventh,

759
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 2: a June first cut, you can spread that over a

760
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 2: couple of years. That's correct. So that's where you would be.

761
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,719
Speaker 2: And that's tid at that point. That's less than ten

762
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 2: percent of the cap, so that is not like a

763
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 2: crippling number. That's that that's going to murder you.

764
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 3: I always laugh when they say when they talk about that,

765
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 3: the cap hit and everything, because that just means the

766
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 3: owner gets to keep that money.

767
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 2: Well, I mean you would then theoretically spend that money

768
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 2: on another player.

769
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, but if he don't have to.

770
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

771
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 3: But the way the.

772
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 2: Giants operate, they against it every year. Now some owners won't.

773
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 3: Some owners be like, well, giants will cap hit twenty

774
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 3: million dollars. Let's see where I'm getting a boat this year.

775
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 2: I remember the reason in folks, just to explain to

776
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 2: you how these contracts work. The reason that's quote unquote

777
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 2: dead money is that money has actually already been paid

778
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 2: out to the player, right, that's been paid out in

779
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 2: a bonus check. You know, I don't know how. You know,

780
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 2: Different contracts, as the bonus signing bonus go out in

781
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 2: different ways. Some something's all the first year, some of

782
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 2: the first.

783
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 3: You basically say, like if you get a say if

784
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 3: you got one hundred one hundred million dollar signing bonus

785
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 3: and you had over five years, it will be twenty

786
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 3: million a year. Well it's spread that way.

787
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 2: Well that's how I was put on the cap, right,

788
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 2: But the actual check you might get fifteen year one

789
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 2: to fifteen year two, depending on how.

790
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know how they do their money,

791
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 3: but I'm saying that. But the way that it affects

792
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 3: the cap cat it can get spread out, They spread out,

793
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 3: they try to spread it out evenly.

794
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 2: That is correct, but in terms of cash, and that's

795
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 2: why it's dead right, So that money is still on

796
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 2: your cap books, but the check's already been written. So

797
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 2: that's why it's on your cap even though the players

798
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 2: not still on your roster two to one nine three

799
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 2: nine four five one three two one nine three nine

800
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 2: four five one three hugoes in New Jersey. He's up next,

801
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 2: you go.

802
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 7: Hey, good afternoon, guys. How do you I get something

803
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 7: to try to try to bring it back to football now? So,

804
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 7: for first, very happy with the win obviously, and the

805
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 7: defensive for and you know, in those uniforms and in

806
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 7: that stadium decore, I think it was a bit of

807
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:12,320
Speaker 7: an homage to the mid eighties Giants, both in substance

808
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 7: as well as you know, the way everything was decorated

809
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 7: in the in the way the.

810
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 2: Uniforms look so field look. Yeah, it was great.

811
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:26,399
Speaker 7: Yeah, it was really nice to see. So so here's

812
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 7: what I guess what I'm looking for at some point

813
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 7: this season is for a convergence of good offensive play

814
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:34,839
Speaker 7: with good defensive play.

815
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 2: How about good special teams play? To you, Okay, we

816
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 2: have we get all three in the same game.

817
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 7: Well, I'm gonna get to that, but let's start because

818
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 7: you know, I've been talking about the defense because I

819
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 7: think that's where we've had health and where we could

820
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 7: control things. Yeah, and I think we'll get better offensive

821
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 7: play when reinforcements come back.

822
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 8: Right.

823
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 7: So a couple of weeks ago, I said more physicality,

824
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 7: especially from the back end, and I think Howard called

825
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 7: it earlier when he said swarming. I mean that's that's

826
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,800
Speaker 7: essentially an outcome of that, more of being more physical.

827
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 7: I said last week, let's do better against the run

828
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 7: and shout out to Wink with the heavy man, three

829
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 7: down lineman front and more A's Sean Robinson and makes

830
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:30,320
Speaker 7: both Lennon Columbia Maryland and myself happy shout out so stop.

831
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 7: I think the next phase is more pressure from the

832
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,320
Speaker 7: edges and I and Thibodeau's coming on. I think that

833
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,720
Speaker 7: will improve when and I know I've called him this before,

834
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 7: when our situational pass rusher comes back off of IR.

835
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 7: So maybe someone could ask coach Stable that question if

836
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:52,359
Speaker 7: it's a long term thing or he's going to come

837
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 7: off IR.

838
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 3: Just so you know, when he was drafted he had

839
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 3: a bad me and me and ankle and stuff. So

840
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 3: that's not situation. That's that's who he is.

841
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 7: That's no I call him a situational pass rusher because

842
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 7: he doesn't defend the run all that well, that's why not,

843
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 7: because he's not always on the field. So okay, so

844
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 7: having said that, uh, you know, we still have a

845
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 7: deep hole to dig ourselves out of. And the next

846
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 7: game is obviously another very very important game. And I'm

847
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 7: just wondering if there are not some regrets with the

848
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:35,240
Speaker 7: coaching staff about how the preseason and training camp were handled.

849
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 7: And I kind of think of this stuff strategically, right,

850
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 7: Joe Shane said right before training camp that we have

851
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:46,240
Speaker 7: the second youngest team. I think that's what he said.

852
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 7: And there were a lot of positions sort of in

853
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 7: a state of flux. And you know, I know it's

854
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 7: all the rage to rest players and take it, but

855
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,720
Speaker 7: what are we hearing now, right? It's just young players

856
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 7: need to play to develop, right, So that's coming right

857
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 7: from the coach's mouth. And did people play enough? And

858
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:11,359
Speaker 7: I think I worry about one I worry about three things, really,

859
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 7: but I'll give you one on offense, one on defense,

860
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 7: one special piece. Somewhere along the line, the coaching staff

861
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 7: got worried about our guard position because we saw a

862
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 7: two man kind of competition become a three man competition,

863
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 7: which then turned into starting Mark Lewinsky, and then somewhere

864
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 7: along the line he became like the fourth.

865
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 2: Guard, which by the way. Now now he's playing like

866
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:37,280
Speaker 2: the best guard again. He was really good last week. Lewinski,

867
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 2: Jonathan Allen, and Deron Payne were almost silent in that game.

868
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 2: He did a great job in that game.

869
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 7: Glowins game well, well, John, the point, what did you

870
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,360
Speaker 7: guys tell us in the preseason The only way to

871
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,760
Speaker 7: evaluate offensive line play is in pads?

872
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 8: Yeah?

873
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 7: Right? In games, they gotta they gotta play, right. I

874
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 7: don't think it was sorted out because I've never seen

875
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 7: something like that where a guy I get see in

876
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 7: the game has one bad game and then he's not

877
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 7: only bench, but he's like the last guy off the bench. Again.

878
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 3: Well, here's what I think, just so you know, I

879
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 3: think that they went into this thing thinking that they

880
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,280
Speaker 3: didn't have enough depth at maybe the offensive line and stuff.

881
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 3: So they were trying to save everybody by not letting

882
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 3: people play and putting into younger guys and giving them reps.

883
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 3: Turns out that those younger guys wind up having to

884
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,800
Speaker 3: play after week one because guys started getting hurt. So

885
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 3: if we're going on the theory that you just use

886
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 3: and you put all the veterans in, let all the

887
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 3: veterans play, and then they all get hurt, then the

888
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 3: guys that weren't playing would have gotten fewer reps and

889
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,840
Speaker 3: they weren't be ready. So it's six and half a

890
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 3: doll and hugo.

891
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 2: I'll say the other part of that, too, is that

892
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 2: we don't know what they thought of McKeithen in terms

893
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 2: of the hierarchy. If HeSE remember he was hurt, he

894
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 2: didn't get back into camp until a few weeks into camp,

895
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 2: so if he was there unhealthy the whole camp, maybe

896
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 2: he would have been ahead of Gluincy a little bit earlier.

897
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:53,919
Speaker 2: I don't know the answer to that particular question.

898
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 7: Well, well here then here's the weirder things then, right,

899
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:03,320
Speaker 7: because that this involved young guys, right, they cut Tyrie Phillips,

900
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 7: who we presume to be our swing tackle, and what

901
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 7: we presume was that Matt Pear was our swing tackle,

902
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:12,399
Speaker 7: and then it turns out that they have to take

903
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 7: another young guy, Josh Zoo Dou and move him to

904
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 7: left tackle. I guess the point I'm making is none

905
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 7: of this was really sorted out well in the preseason.

906
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 7: And I will point to the fact.

907
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 3: That people, you don't have to raise your voice, just listen,

908
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 3: got hurt.

909
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:29,879
Speaker 7: No I'm not raising got hurt.

910
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 3: He's hurt.

911
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:37,320
Speaker 7: Yeah, well no, but but but in those early like

912
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 7: in the Arizona game, for example, Zodu was the left tackle.

913
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:44,280
Speaker 2: He wasn't. He wasn't.

914
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 3: When they put this, when they put the thing on

915
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 3: his elbow.

916
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 2: At one point a coach's decision was made to put

917
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 2: a zoo a tackle ahead of that.

918
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 3: They put him in. They put him in a tackle

919
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 3: after the after whatever game they we had just played.

920
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 3: I think it was the Cowboys game or whatever. But

921
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 3: he was hurt. That's when he started. They put the

922
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 3: sleeve on him. So whatever the thing was on his arm, he.

923
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:08,320
Speaker 7: Wasn't on the injury He wasn't on the injury.

924
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 3: Well, not being on an injury report doesn't mean if

925
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 3: you're just out there that Evan Neil wasn't on the

926
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 3: injury report the whole time and he was hurting.

927
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:23,840
Speaker 7: Okay, look look and I'll point out to another another

928
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:25,800
Speaker 7: thing that, yeah, real quick kind of perplexed me a

929
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,879
Speaker 7: little bit was the flock corner position was never sorted out,

930
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 7: so they moved the dory in there and then they

931
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 7: put a rookie out there.

932
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 2: No, it was sorted out. It was sorted out they

933
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 2: wanted a dory in the slop is they wanted Trey

934
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 2: Hawkins on the field at outside cornerback, and Trey Hawkins

935
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 2: played outside cornerback all throughout the summer. That wasn't something

936
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 2: that they didn't sort out, h though. They made a

937
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 2: conscious decision based on what they saw from Hawkins in

938
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 2: the summer at outside cornerback, and they said we want

939
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 2: him on the field.

940
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 3: Yep.

941
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 2: So that was a conscious decision based on a lot

942
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 2: of evidence.

943
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 7: Okay, well it was practice evidence.

944
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 2: Again, I'd like to see it more because I did

945
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 2: he he did pretty well preseason.

946
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 3: Appreciate he did pretty well in preseason two.

947
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 2: Hawkins is good. Yeah, he's had some struggles once the

948
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 2: season started, which happens. That's why preseason and practice regular

949
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 2: season absolutely, Hugo. The bottom line is that there's no

950
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 2: way to completely simulate regular season snaps in August.

951
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 3: You just can't do it, not none of the way

952
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:20,839
Speaker 3: they do things now. And that's league wide.

953
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:23,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's league wie hundred per All right, let's go

954
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 2: to Eric in Upstate New York. Eric, you're up next.

955
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 8: Hey, guys heard we're going We're great. So I just

956
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:33,319
Speaker 8: wanted to make a statement first and then a follow

957
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:37,320
Speaker 8: up question after that about Wandale Robinson ahead. So, I

958
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 8: think that we have a weapon in him that is

959
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 8: very underrated. I don't think people will give enough credit

960
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 8: to how good he is. And you could see that

961
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 8: I'm that twenty two yard catch and run that he

962
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:48,800
Speaker 8: had this weekend.

963
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 2: No, look, we agree. I think Wandell is probably if

964
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,959
Speaker 2: you're looking for like a short to mid range patch,

965
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 2: he's their go to guy in those situations. They like

966
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 2: him in the middle of the feel to get separation.

967
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,839
Speaker 3: Howard, he's exciting and he's quick. Like like I said before,

968
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 3: he's like comes under the model of the old Patriots

969
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 3: receivers when they're all small guys making quick turns, making

970
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 3: quick catches in small spaces. That's what they're usually there for.

971
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 8: And the follow up question, which I'll take off the air,

972
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:20,760
Speaker 8: didn't we draft him as a gadget type of player

973
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 8: and you know, our offense is horrible in the screen game.

974
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 8: We just we seem to be the only offense in

975
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 8: the league who cannot run a positive screenplay. And I

976
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 8: think wan Dale a guy that would would do that

977
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 8: what he was drafted for. So you know, I just

978
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 8: want to see what your guys thoughts were on that.

979
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 2: No appreciate Eric Lukwanda wasn't drafted as a gadget guy.

980
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 2: He did do gadget stuff in tollege. He was a

981
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 2: running back in Nebraska before he went to Kentucky. Then

982
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 2: at Kentucky he ran the full rouchree. He was their

983
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 2: number one receiver. He liked did everything for them, and

984
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 2: that's how the Giants drafted him, even though he was

985
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 2: good at the gadget stuff. And now that's how Paul

986
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 2: kind of reference him a line in our draft coverage

987
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 2: that year. But I tried to point out that, look,

988
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 2: you watch his tape a Kentucky. He did everything. He

989
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 2: was an outside receiver for them. He ran all the routes.

990
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 2: He was a good player in terms of the screens.

991
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 2: Howard and I tried to make this point last week.

992
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 2: I like to get your take on it. Screens take

993
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 2: a lot of coordination and timing from an offensive line

994
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 2: when you have a million different guys coming in and

995
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:20,320
Speaker 2: out that haven't worked together a ton, I gotta imagine

996
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 2: and correct me if if I'm wrong with someone that's

997
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 2: played alongside offensive line and throughout his whole career. I

998
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 2: gotta imagine getting that stuff kind of in sync is

999
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 2: tough in the screen game when every week you got

1000
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 2: different guys up there doing stuff on the offensive line.

1001
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 3: I'll say it like this regards who's in there. If

1002
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 3: you're not blocking well in the pass game at all

1003
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 3: to begin with, screens are not gonna help you because,

1004
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 3: and this is why, when guys are beating you off

1005
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 3: the ball and there are two steps behind you, when

1006
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 3: the guy's in the second step of his drop to

1007
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 3: get to the quarterback, the back has nowhere to go

1008
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 3: because everybody's already back there.

1009
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 2: The screen isn't gonna slow that pass rush down at all.

1010
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 3: It's not slowing it down. It's just for free release.

1011
00:43:58,760 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 3: All you gonna do then is throw it in the

1012
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 3: exception to a d lineman because they're all going to

1013
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:03,359
Speaker 3: be in the line of sight.

1014
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 2: So you think there's going to be no room for

1015
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 2: the running back if.

1016
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:09,799
Speaker 3: You can't bump them and then let them slide off,

1017
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 3: because that's what the screen is. You're bumping and sliding

1018
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 3: them off. As you bump them and slide them off,

1019
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 3: then you then you turn and run down and get

1020
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 3: in front of to carry if you miss them, then

1021
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 3: the balls in the air. As the guy he's reaching

1022
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 3: for the ball as it's being snapped to the quarterback.

1023
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 2: You're saying, there's just gonna be too many guys.

1024
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:31,720
Speaker 3: That's why screens don't work. Again, like if you notice

1025
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 3: teams that have better blocking up front run better screens.

1026
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 3: When Miami the people reference Miami constantly, the safeties are

1027
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:41,800
Speaker 3: like twelve to fourteen yards deep because they're trying to

1028
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 3: be on top of those two fast receivers. Yeah, you know,

1029
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 3: and they're trying to do that. So when they run

1030
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 3: the screen, this is what the screen looks like. You

1031
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 3: have two guys on the outside. They could be a

1032
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:53,879
Speaker 3: receiver and a tight end. You have one guy coming

1033
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 3: from inside out to make the block. He doesn't even

1034
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 3: have to come to make the block.

1035
00:44:57,640 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 2: There's not enough guys in the box.

1036
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 3: There's not enough. There's not enough guys in the box.

1037
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 3: And slow it down. So he doesn't go out to

1038
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 3: make a block. He just goes up the field. And

1039
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 3: once he goes up the field, he's not even really

1040
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 3: touching the line, but he just runs across his face.

1041
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 3: And if you have to slow down or stop to

1042
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 3: avoid alignment and Tyreek Hill's catching the ball fifteen to

1043
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,240
Speaker 3: twenty yards from you. You're not catching him. You should

1044
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 3: just start turning around to start running that way and

1045
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 3: just try to see you can cut him off. That's

1046
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 3: what you're supposed to do. So that's that's why screens

1047
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 3: are working for teams like that. It works for the

1048
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 3: San Francisco forty nine. It's a little bit of the

1049
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 3: same thing and did great screen team, But that's because

1050
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 3: their lines are blocking pretty good. The Eagles run a

1051
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 3: decent screen game. Like if your line's blocking pretty good,

1052
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 3: that means that everybody's kind of healthy and you the

1053
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 3: defense is on their heels almost does he got Jerry

1054
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 3: Rice absolutely absolutely, So that's what I'm looking I'm looking

1055
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 3: at it like, you gotta have better line play up

1056
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 3: front before you can create something that's gonna be out

1057
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 3: on the because basically most screens, whether people realize it

1058
00:45:57,640 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 3: or not, the back is still in the backfield when

1059
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 3: he catches. Anybody kind of foles out and he goes

1060
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 3: they've started to migrate the screen out to the outside.

1061
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:07,800
Speaker 3: You dump it to the outside receiver in the lineman

1062
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 3: are coming out to block him. Like I said, if

1063
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 3: the lineman that's going out can't touch the guy in

1064
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 3: front of him. The guy he's supposed to be blocking

1065
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 3: is in the line of fire where you're trying to

1066
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 3: throw the ball to the guy on the outside. You

1067
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 3: can't do it.

1068
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 2: Two one nine three nine four five one three. Let's

1069
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 2: go to a line too. Let's go to Diana and

1070
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 2: Myrtle Beach, Pearson and then lew In Texas. You'll be

1071
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 2: on next. You'll wrap us up, Dana. What's going on?

1072
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 5: Hey, guys, thanks for taking my call today.

1073
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 2: Thanks for calling them.

1074
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:36,879
Speaker 5: After hearing Wilson speak, I just really had to call

1075
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 5: in defense with Daniel Jones. I have been an advocate

1076
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 5: for the Giants for a long time, and I think

1077
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 5: having a poorest offensive line ended Eli Manning's career a

1078
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,840
Speaker 5: little bit early. But what I want to say is

1079
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:53,399
Speaker 5: when Tyrod Taylor came in, That's also when Sae Kwon

1080
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 5: Barkley came back, so you really have to account for that.

1081
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 5: I don't think any quarterback does well under duress. Look

1082
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 5: at Josh Allen against our defense did not do well.

1083
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 5: Look at Jalen Hurts against the Jets multiple interceptions, did

1084
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:10,919
Speaker 5: not do well. So I think people have to ease

1085
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 5: up a little bit on Daniel Jones, and you have

1086
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 5: to really look at what he brings. He has been

1087
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:20,840
Speaker 5: much better with protecting the ball. His legs are excellent,

1088
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 5: he runs very very well. I think he's definitely on

1089
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 5: the money, which is why people call him Danny Dimes.

1090
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 5: And I think with the addition to getting some of

1091
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 5: our offensive linemen back with say Kwan back in, I

1092
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 5: think you'll see a different Daniel Jones when he returned.

1093
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 5: So I wish people would just laid off them a bit.

1094
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 2: Well, thank you, I appreciate the call.

1095
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:43,320
Speaker 3: So she goes you got the gas light for Daniel.

1096
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 5: I like it.

1097
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 3: I mean, look, Daniel when healthy, he kind of proved

1098
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:49,839
Speaker 3: it last year. When healthy and everybody's kind of in place,

1099
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 3: they play better. The problem is that last year that

1100
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 3: they had great success with in close games, it was

1101
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 3: a lot of close games and they made it to

1102
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 3: the playoffs. The problem is going to be this year

1103
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:01,800
Speaker 3: you're going to be playing teams. I tell everybody to

1104
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:04,360
Speaker 3: have Super Bowl aspirations. They don't have. I hope we

1105
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 3: have a winning season aspirations they have. We're going to

1106
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 3: the playoffs and we're gonna make a long run.

1107
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 2: At it we want to buy exactly.

1108
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 3: So now you your game has got to come up

1109
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 3: to try to get close to that level. So and

1110
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 3: you're not. If you're not playing bottom feeders, it doesn't

1111
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 3: look it doesn't look the same.

1112
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:21,360
Speaker 2: Again, I'll say the same thing to your point, and

1113
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 2: I've said this before. I don't want to sound like

1114
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 2: a broken record. The Giants beat one playoff team last year,

1115
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 2: beat the Jacksonville Jaguars, and that wasn't a game to

1116
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 2: your point. Again, with the close games literally down to

1117
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 2: the final play off the game.

1118
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 3: Well, they'd be Minnesota. That's kind of two plays well in.

1119
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 2: The playoffs, but they lost to Minis in the regular season. Again,

1120
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:39,840
Speaker 2: they did beat Minnesota in the playoffs, that is correct,

1121
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 2: But otherwise they lost Detroit rather handily. They lost to Seattle,

1122
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 2: they lost to Dallas twice. They lost the Philadelphia twice.

1123
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 3: Yep.

1124
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 2: All right, And all the teams you've played so far

1125
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 2: this year until this week against Washington, all of them are.

1126
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 3: Playoff teams except for Arizona.

1127
00:48:57,160 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 2: Except for Arizona, correct, And that was the game that

1128
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 2: they won, right, So all these games you lost, thank you,

1129
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 2: through this first month and a half of the year,

1130
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 2: have been two playoff teams. And again we'll see what

1131
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:10,320
Speaker 2: the Bills are now, you know, after they're pretty terrible

1132
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 2: lost in New England this week.

1133
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 3: Can't I tell people all the time, you can't be

1134
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 3: prisoners of the moment. No, you can't say some teams

1135
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:18,800
Speaker 3: are gonna have back. There's not gonna be somebody going seventeen.

1136
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 2: And well look at the forty nineers, Like we all

1137
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 2: think the forty nineers are still good. They've lost to

1138
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:22,880
Speaker 2: in all now, but it happens.

1139
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:25,399
Speaker 3: Don't be prisoners of the moment because those teams, those

1140
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:29,760
Speaker 3: teams and those personnels, they got good personnel and they'll

1141
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 3: come back.

1142
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:32,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, Dallas, the forty nine Ers, the Bills, and the Dolphins,

1143
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 2: which were the three you know lopsided loss of the

1144
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 2: Giants have suffered this year. They're all expected and they're

1145
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:42,359
Speaker 2: all expected to be in contention for the championship game.

1146
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 3: The NFC East, the AFC East championship game. They all

1147
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 3: believe they're going to win their divisions and they think

1148
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:48,879
Speaker 3: they're going to go, you know, have a shot.

1149
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:50,360
Speaker 2: And Seattle right now looks like they're going to be

1150
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:52,439
Speaker 2: a playoff team too. In the NBC, they've played well.

1151
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're like it's gonna between them and San Francisco

1152
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:55,760
Speaker 3: for that division.

1153
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:57,319
Speaker 2: All right, let's go to lou In Texas. He's up

1154
00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 2: next on Big Blue Kickoff five.

1155
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:01,320
Speaker 9: Hi lou Hey, guys, how's it going today?

1156
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:01,919
Speaker 4: Great?

1157
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 9: So got two quick questions. First one, JMS haven't seen

1158
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:08,800
Speaker 9: much on what's going on with an injury. Wanted to

1159
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 9: see if you guys know anything. And secondly, based on

1160
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 9: the upcoming schedule, do you realistically think this team could

1161
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 9: be six and six at their buy?

1162
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:19,440
Speaker 3: Wow? Based on the upcoming schedule, could they be six

1163
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:21,880
Speaker 3: and six at the buy that the answers? Excuse me,

1164
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:23,840
Speaker 3: John had to step away from the mic for a second,

1165
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 3: but I think they could be, but it's gonna take

1166
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:30,399
Speaker 3: a lot. And I mean that I'm trying to keep

1167
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:32,839
Speaker 3: everything realistic for fans and stuff, because when they're asking

1168
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 3: me questions like the health of everyone is a big thing.

1169
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 3: All of a sudden, Saque's back, right, That helps out.

1170
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 3: That helps out tremendously. But the guys that are playing outpositions,

1171
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:45,919
Speaker 3: some of them on the offensive line. You can see

1172
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 3: defensive linemans talking to each other. That guy's not supposed

1173
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 3: to be there. And I can get him. I can

1174
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 3: get him. And I'm shocked that they don't go after

1175
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:56,880
Speaker 3: some guys all game long. Maybe they just get tired.

1176
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 3: What's been happening is that if they have any and

1177
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 3: I do mean anytime, they don't get to the quarterback

1178
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:04,879
Speaker 3: of the Giants, whoever it may be, at the time,

1179
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 3: there's going to be a ball launched into the sky

1180
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:09,720
Speaker 3: if one of these guys are running, you know, twenty

1181
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 3: four miles an hour in practice. And it's it's noticeable

1182
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:17,279
Speaker 3: when Saquon kind of comes out of the backfield, it

1183
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 3: looks like he's going to run out into the flat

1184
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 3: for a dump down. It's noticeable because the safety isn't

1185
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 3: quite looking at the guy that's running by him. He

1186
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 3: takes a second to take one more look at Saquon

1187
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 3: before he turns around to chase him. So it's those

1188
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 3: things are noticeable. So could they be six and six

1189
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 3: by the bye? They could be? Will they be? That

1190
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:37,880
Speaker 3: would require a lot more you know, ability on the

1191
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 3: offensive line to you know, they'll have to figure out,

1192
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 3: how can we consistently run the ball one number two?

1193
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 3: How can we consistently get you know, get some past

1194
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 3: protection without you know, having to have six guys and

1195
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 3: seven guys trying to chip and everything, and can we

1196
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:55,319
Speaker 3: just get guys out in the routes and keep our

1197
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 3: quarterback upright and not injured. That's two and three, And

1198
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:02,800
Speaker 3: probably most importantly, they're gonna have to play, you know,

1199
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 3: not one hundred percent er free, but pretty close to

1200
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:09,360
Speaker 3: air free football from an offensive standpoint. And then you

1201
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 3: gotta have things, those special teams to work out. You

1202
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 3: can't have the the miscue and then and again, I

1203
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:16,800
Speaker 3: feel like I'm beating no Shep, love Shep, but you

1204
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:19,799
Speaker 3: just can't have any miscues. If if if we catch,

1205
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 3: if they don't muff that putt, they don't, they don't score.

1206
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 2: They probably shut out.

1207
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 3: So that those are the things that are happening. The

1208
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:31,760
Speaker 3: defense is increasingly getting better and better. If they continue

1209
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 3: to stay healthy, they're gonna continue to get better. Dexter

1210
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 3: Lawrence right now, it looks like he's getting ready to

1211
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:38,359
Speaker 3: go on one of his one of his tie rages

1212
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:41,919
Speaker 3: where everybody's in trouble. That's kind of how he's looking

1213
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:43,840
Speaker 3: at it. So if he goes on this, on that,

1214
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:46,320
Speaker 3: on that little run that he usually tries to go on,

1215
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 3: it's gonna be some teams gonna It's not like you

1216
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 3: can just say, okay, well we'll double him that that's

1217
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:52,839
Speaker 3: not gonna work.

1218
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 2: Hey, look, you're gonna have to play, Lou, as well

1219
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:58,400
Speaker 2: as you did against Washington and to some extent Buffalo.

1220
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 2: You know, if you come out you play like he

1221
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 2: did against the first half against Arizona, you're not gonna

1222
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 2: be any team you're gonna play, you know what I mean. So,

1223
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 2: so you're gonna have to come out and to Howard's point,

1224
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:10,880
Speaker 2: protect the ball on offense, you know, and then to

1225
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 2: have the defense continue to play the strong game that

1226
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 2: they're doing.

1227
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 3: Defense going to play a strong game, and offense has

1228
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 3: got to play the first half of Arizona and the

1229
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 3: second and I mean the second half of Arizona, the

1230
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:24,840
Speaker 3: first half of the team we just played. So but

1231
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 3: those two half again, one.

1232
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:29,719
Speaker 9: Of the quick question, guys, Yeah, when Thomas comes back,

1233
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:31,840
Speaker 9: can you see maybe kicking inside?

1234
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:34,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good question, Lou, And I've kind of

1235
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:36,239
Speaker 2: thought about this, HOWD I'm curious to get your take.

1236
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 2: Let's assume you get Thomas and Neil back at the

1237
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:41,799
Speaker 2: two tackle spots, right, what do you think the two

1238
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 2: and when you get in this one, it gets even trickier.

1239
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 2: You get Schmitz back at center. I'm pretty sure Brettison's

1240
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 2: gonna be one of the two starting guards. So who's

1241
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 2: the other starting guard?

1242
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 8: For me?

1243
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:55,959
Speaker 2: Based on how well these guys have played, I would

1244
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:58,400
Speaker 2: have Glinsky in there. I think he's been better than

1245
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 2: the other two guys overall. But they just did bring

1246
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 2: in pew full time. How do you think they're gonna

1247
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:03,400
Speaker 2: work that?

1248
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:05,880
Speaker 3: If it were me, and it's just me right, I

1249
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 3: would bring I would if if we we go down,

1250
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:11,239
Speaker 3: because they haven't really set the guards, so to speak,

1251
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 3: except for Bredison. I put Pew in. Okay, I put

1252
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,319
Speaker 3: Pew in because he's got the attitude, you know, right now,

1253
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:21,280
Speaker 3: like fresh off the couch, all this this giddy stuff.

1254
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 3: And I keep the other two guys ready to go

1255
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:25,400
Speaker 3: because hey, look, don't know how long he's gonna be

1256
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 3: able to hold up. And this is this is just

1257
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 3: me being honest with him. He's an older guy, he's

1258
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 3: had a knee, he's underweight, he's you know, he's fighting

1259
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 3: himself into football shape now. I don't know if he

1260
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:39,200
Speaker 3: can make it all the way into football shape before.

1261
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 3: Because this is a long It's not like we got

1262
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 3: like five games left. We got a long season.

1263
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 2: So, by the way, Howard, it's funny. I talked to

1264
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:46,840
Speaker 2: him and Lou appreciate the call. Good stuff, man, And

1265
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 2: I think both Glwinsky and Pew would be ahead of

1266
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:51,839
Speaker 2: mc keithan there in my opinion. And if it's Pew,

1267
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:53,239
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have a problem with that either. I think

1268
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:55,759
Speaker 2: him and you know, I just don't. We haven't seen

1269
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 2: q pet Guard yet. Really, to be honest with you.

1270
00:54:58,560 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 3: He played two parts exactly.

1271
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,400
Speaker 2: Son't I even't I haven't seen that to make a

1272
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:04,400
Speaker 2: judgment on who I think is better pu A Glelwinski.

1273
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 2: They probably have a better idea based on what's happened.

1274
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 3: But here's the other thing I would say, maybe we

1275
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:11,760
Speaker 3: wouldn't put Pew in instence. I know he can play tackle,

1276
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 3: so you wanted to be the backup swing you know

1277
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:15,400
Speaker 3: I need protection here.

1278
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:18,359
Speaker 2: So here's it. So I had a conversation with Pew.

1279
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 2: He was our interview on the Giant So Little podcast

1280
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:22,759
Speaker 2: last Friday. Every we should go listen to that. It

1281
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 2: was a really good interview, about twelve minutes, and we

1282
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 2: replayed part of it on the pregame show on Sunday.

1283
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:28,840
Speaker 2: So I was talking to Pew and I said, you know,

1284
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:31,880
Speaker 2: justin to eighty and is that where you want to

1285
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 2: play at? You know that that's where he waited. I

1286
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 2: mean two ninety and he goes. John my last full

1287
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:40,239
Speaker 2: year in Arizona, I played between two eighty and two

1288
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:42,800
Speaker 2: eighty five, and he said, that's where he wants to be.

1289
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 2: He said he compared his playing style to a gnat

1290
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 2: where he's gonna be all over. He's gonna be here,

1291
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Speaker 2: he's gonna be there. He might beat me once, but

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Speaker 2: I'm aways gonna come back. I'm gonna hit him, gonna

1293
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:52,800
Speaker 2: a little bit more aggressive, a little bit more you know,

1294
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 2: use your quickness and technique and be more mobile.

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Speaker 3: Mobile.

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Speaker 2: But I thought it was interesting to want to play

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Speaker 2: to eighty eight guards that is very, very light around

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Speaker 2: the lead.

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Speaker 3: Well, I tell you what I know. There are guys

1300
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 3: around the league that are big menacing guys, but if

1301
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 3: you're light and can get to like I think the

1302
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 3: center is a great example. The center from Philadelphia.

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00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 2: Oh Colsey, he's not that big of a guy. You'll

1304
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:16,759
Speaker 2: see that at center. You don't see that at guard

1305
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 2: as much.

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00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 3: But he's still taking on some of the bigger guys

1307
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:21,880
Speaker 3: in the league. Really really good job at it. So

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00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 3: you're seeing guys there, you know, it's becoming one of

1309
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 3: those things where Okay, we need the guys that can

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00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:29,759
Speaker 3: stop this guy. What's he looked like. Well, he's not

1311
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:32,239
Speaker 3: quite three hundred, but he can stop him. Yeah, put

1312
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Speaker 3: him in there, and that's what they're.

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00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:35,359
Speaker 2: Going to tall. Right before we say goodbye, we started

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Speaker 2: a middle late, so we'll go one more minute here

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Speaker 2: real quick, just your thoughts on the Jet game moving forward? Here?

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00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 2: What are the Giants and to do to beat the

1317
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:41,200
Speaker 2: Jets on Sunday.

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00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 3: Well, the first thing you have to do is the

1319
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:44,360
Speaker 3: defense has to play the same kind of game they

1320
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:47,839
Speaker 3: played before. They got to keep coming after Wilson. If

1321
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:49,960
Speaker 3: they get after him a lot, knowing that they have

1322
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 3: a big time receiver out there, but get after him

1323
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:54,239
Speaker 3: a lot, make him have some air throws. He will

1324
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:57,320
Speaker 3: he could give the ball up, yeah, and he's you know,

1325
00:56:57,520 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 3: he's not not above that. A lot of the more

1326
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:02,080
Speaker 3: ultiple looks are going to be hard for him to

1327
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 3: keep up with. So they got to first off, shut

1328
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 3: down the run and make them one dimensional where they

1329
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 3: have to throw the ball. Once they do that, just

1330
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:11,319
Speaker 3: get after Wilson with all these different looks and let's

1331
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:13,319
Speaker 3: see if you can get some get some balls throw

1332
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 3: on to you from an offensive standpoint. They got to

1333
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 3: protect the ball.

1334
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Speaker 2: But Howard, I literally you took the words out of

1335
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 2: my mouth. I'm going I'm going to give you a

1336
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 2: stat to back you up. Youre real quick and then

1337
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 2: you can finish your point. Jets are tied for third

1338
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 2: most takeaways in the league with thirteen, and that's with

1339
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:30,440
Speaker 2: them having a buy and most of the other teams

1340
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 2: not having a buy go ahead.

1341
00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 3: They have to protect the ball with all they can.

1342
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 3: You have to know the sau Sauces out there. Sauce

1343
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 3: is a really good cover guy.

1344
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 2: And I imagine he'll be back coming off the buy.

1345
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 3: Well, we hope, you know, I don't like anybody being

1346
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 3: hurt or anything, and I'm not.

1347
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 2: You know, concussion protocol for him, by the way.

1348
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 3: The people then really hope that he's back, and I

1349
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:53,080
Speaker 3: don't like that. But but you got those guys out

1350
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 3: there that can that can cover really well and get

1351
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:56,600
Speaker 3: to the ball, So you want to make sure that

1352
00:57:56,720 --> 00:58:00,320
Speaker 3: every pass is like directly on them and there's not

1353
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 3: going to be this, this opportunity to to you know,

1354
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 3: how do I say that's without being mean? You gotta

1355
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:08,880
Speaker 3: do everything right, not You don't have to do anything

1356
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 3: above the numbers. You don't have to do anything outside

1357
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:13,840
Speaker 3: of a reality. Just do the things right. They're gonna

1358
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 3: be coming after you up front, don't you know. Keep

1359
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 3: it three points, keep it six points, keep it whatever.

1360
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:20,439
Speaker 3: Look at keep it tight.

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00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:22,520
Speaker 2: Then sorry for interrupting.

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00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:23,080
Speaker 3: I apologize.

1363
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 2: Look at how the Jets won their two big games

1364
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:27,480
Speaker 2: they won this year. They beat the Bills in Week one.

1365
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:29,280
Speaker 2: How they beat the Bills in Week one? A lot

1366
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 2: of pressure, took the ball away from the down. How

1367
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 2: they beat the Eagles two weeks.

1368
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:35,440
Speaker 3: Ago, a lot of pressure, turnovers.

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00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:37,920
Speaker 2: Thing goo. That's how the Jets team is not going

1370
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 2: to beat you with their offense unless Bristolol pops a

1371
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 2: couple big ons. By the way, he's awesome, awesome, really

1372
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:44,800
Speaker 2: capable of doing that. So you got to stop the

1373
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:46,160
Speaker 2: run on defense, that's number one.

1374
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Speaker 3: You're going to be a swarming all over the ball.

1375
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 3: Everybody gonna be nine guys in the clip all the time.

1376
00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:52,919
Speaker 3: Like I said, you get close to Zach was Zach

1377
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 3: he'll he'll probably give it up a couple of times.

1378
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:58,920
Speaker 3: If he gives you the opportunity to get an interception,

1379
00:58:59,360 --> 00:58:59,919
Speaker 3: please catch.

1380
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 2: And the Jets have eight interceptions this year, folks eight

1381
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 2: and five and five fumble recovery. So they do it

1382
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 2: both ways. Now they'll rush the pass, so they'll strip

1383
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:10,600
Speaker 2: the ball from the quarterback. They save such good pass rushers,

1384
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 2: and that secondary Quincy Williams, Quinn's younger brother, has been

1385
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:17,080
Speaker 2: unbelievable for them. We know about DJ Reid, we know

1386
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 2: about uh Sauce Gardner. So really good team, really good

1387
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:23,600
Speaker 2: team on defense, and you have to.

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Speaker 3: Protect and like I said, and if you get a

1389
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:30,560
Speaker 3: couple of scores up on them touchdowns, the defense plays different.

1390
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:32,640
Speaker 2: And the Jets offensive line, by the way, it's not

1391
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:35,640
Speaker 2: as disheveled as the Giants one is. Their offensive line

1392
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:37,600
Speaker 2: is problems health wise. They have a lot of injuries

1393
00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:37,840
Speaker 2: up there.

1394
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 3: Okay, here's another chance for the defense, our defense to

1395
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:43,200
Speaker 3: get healthy in sacks and stuff. So that's what you

1396
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:43,560
Speaker 3: have to do.

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Speaker 2: How it was good scene.

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Speaker 3: We'll be seeing each other a lot more. Seems like,

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Speaker 3: all right.

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Speaker 2: Well I'm not gonna be on Tuesday every week.

1401
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 3: But will be rotating who's coming here?

1402
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 2: Okay, you gotta look at her then me. Anyway.

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Speaker 3: I hate to say it, but yes, if.

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Speaker 2: You did it, I'd be a little kisser. Everybody. Thanks

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Speaker 2: for being with us. A Big Blue kick Off Live

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Speaker 2: on the phone today, guys, good thoughtful calls, but you

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Speaker 2: guys have some real good questions. Good nuanced conversation for ones,

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Speaker 2: which we don't have enough of. And Wilson, stop listening

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Speaker 2: to local sports talk and national TV shows. You base

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