WEBVTT - Jaylen Brown for Paul George Trade Reaction: "Unmitigated disaster" for Celtics, 76ers upgrade

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<v Speaker 1>The volume.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Olgret Hoops and I here at the volume.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you Wednesday again, everybody. The hits keep coming this

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<v Speaker 2>week with free agency, mostly in the form of trades,

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<v Speaker 2>as Jalen Brown has been traded from the Boston Celtics

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<v Speaker 2>to the Philadelphia seventy six ers for Paul George and

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<v Speaker 2>a slew of draft assets that we will go over.

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<v Speaker 2>This week has been so crazy. This is already our

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<v Speaker 2>fifth episode of the week and it is four point

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<v Speaker 2>thirty here in Colorado on a Wednesday, And that is

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<v Speaker 2>how this week has been. I want to talk about

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<v Speaker 2>this particular deal from the perspective of both teams. I

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<v Speaker 2>also now have the details from the Los Angeles Lakers

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<v Speaker 2>off season and I have more thoughts there now that

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<v Speaker 2>we kind of have a better feel for what the

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<v Speaker 2>total plan was. So we'll talk a little bit of

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<v Speaker 2>Lakers at the tail end of the show. Then we'll

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<v Speaker 2>get out of here for today. Can't say it's over

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<v Speaker 2>for the week, though. We still got a Lebron signing

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<v Speaker 2>at some point coming. Who knows, if there's some other

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<v Speaker 2>big trade on the horizon. We'll continue to react as

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<v Speaker 2>So the details Paul George for Jalen Brown is a

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<v Speaker 2>simple swap in form in terms of the players that

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<v Speaker 2>are changing teams. Here it's two first round picks, two

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<v Speaker 2>second round picks. The actual specific breakdown of the picks

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<v Speaker 2>per Sham Serrania, a twenty twenty eight first round pick

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<v Speaker 2>that could convert from a first to a swap that

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<v Speaker 2>is more favorable to Boston. What that means to me

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<v Speaker 2>is that the pick is protected. Obviously, twenty twenty eight

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<v Speaker 2>is two full draft cycles from now, so a lot

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<v Speaker 2>can happen between then and now in terms of you know,

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<v Speaker 2>breaking you know, Joel Embiid breaking down, or some other

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<v Speaker 2>trade that Philly makes. So it's hard to say exactly

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<v Speaker 2>what that pick is worth until we see the specific

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<v Speaker 2>protections that are on it. A twenty thirty one unprotected Philadelphia. First,

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<v Speaker 2>that's a nice asset there. Philly can't turn VJ. Edgecomb

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<v Speaker 2>and Tyrese Maxi into anything in the next couple of

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<v Speaker 2>seasons that could be headed towards a rebuild. So not

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<v Speaker 2>nothing there on the asset front. Twenty twenty eight second

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<v Speaker 2>round pick most favorable of Golden State, OKAC Milwaukee A

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<v Speaker 2>twenty thirty second round pick most favorable of Washington, Portland

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<v Speaker 2>and Phoenix.

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<v Speaker 1>So I actually have to start here.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to talk about Philly, and I want to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about Boston, but I have to start with the

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<v Speaker 2>Milwaukee Bucks you guys.

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<v Speaker 1>As you guys know, I have no interest.

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<v Speaker 2>In dying on a hill if I think I'm wrong

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<v Speaker 2>about something and I think I was wrong about something

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<v Speaker 2>involving the draft assets that were on the table in

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<v Speaker 2>the theorized Milwaukee Miami deal versus the Milwaukee Boston deal.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought that Miami passing on the Jalen Brown plus

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<v Speaker 2>two first round picks package was a mistake under the

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<v Speaker 2>circumstances compared to what Miami could offer, because I thought

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<v Speaker 2>Jalen Brown would get a haul. And I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>pretty clear from this that Miami did. Excuse me, that

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<v Speaker 2>Milwaukee did a rough canvassing of the league in terms

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<v Speaker 2>of what Jalen Brown would be worth and clearly did

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<v Speaker 2>not see much in the form of value in terms

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<v Speaker 2>of what teams are willing to pay for Jalen Brown.

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<v Speaker 2>And now it's not that I don't think that the

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<v Speaker 2>Celtics offtware was still better. I just think it was

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<v Speaker 2>certainly a lot more competitive now, I think, judging by

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<v Speaker 2>what we've seen here. I mean, Sham's reported that they

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<v Speaker 2>were shopping Jalen Brown to like a dozen teams. So

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<v Speaker 2>if you're shopping him to a dozen teams, and this

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<v Speaker 2>is the best you can get a protected first and

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<v Speaker 2>unprotected first and two seconds, if you combine that with

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<v Speaker 2>the two unprotected firsts that Boston had attached to Jalen Brown.

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<v Speaker 2>That actually stacks up more favorably with the Miami package

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<v Speaker 2>than I originally thought. So I was very critical of

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<v Speaker 2>Milwaukee for passing on that deal, and I have to

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<v Speaker 2>retract that to a certain extent, just simply because of

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that the Miami package, in the context of

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<v Speaker 2>what we now know Jalen Brown's value to be, was

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<v Speaker 2>more competitive. So I just wanted to say that first,

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<v Speaker 2>because I think that is relevant here. My opinion that

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<v Speaker 2>Jalen Brown plus two first round picks was way better

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<v Speaker 2>than Miami's package had more to do with I perceived

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<v Speaker 2>Jalen Brown's value to be higher. Now, is Jalen Brown

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<v Speaker 2>generally undervalued around the league?

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<v Speaker 1>I do think so.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it has a combination of the I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's a combination of several factors. I think the analytics

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<v Speaker 2>departments on all these teams probably undervalue Jaylen Brown because

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<v Speaker 2>he is not a player that performs well in the

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<v Speaker 2>advanced metric department. I think there's some personality stuff there

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<v Speaker 2>in terms of Jalen Brown being, you know, somewhat strange

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<v Speaker 2>with his behavior over the course of the last several

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<v Speaker 2>months since the season ended in Boston. I think there's also, like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, this is an underrated part of all these things,

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<v Speaker 2>Like when I'm talking about Lebron James's free agency, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>thinking about fit. I'm thinking, like, what does it look

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<v Speaker 2>like if he plays in Cleveland? What does it look

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<v Speaker 2>like if he plays in Miami, What does it look

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<v Speaker 2>like if he plays in Golden State? And you start

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<v Speaker 2>to consider things like how would his game fit with

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<v Speaker 2>a Steph Currys or a Nikola Jokic versus a Donovan

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<v Speaker 2>Mitchell or a Jannis and Bam frontcourt basketball fit matters

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<v Speaker 2>when you're having these conversations, and Jalen Brown is somewhat

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<v Speaker 2>of an On an Island offensive player. He is not

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<v Speaker 2>a good spot up player. He is not a good

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<v Speaker 2>catch and shoot three point shooter. On defense, he is

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit one dimensional and that he's very good

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<v Speaker 2>on the ball, but a little bit mistake prone off

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<v Speaker 2>the ball. And again, if you're an On an Island

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<v Speaker 2>player where your best attribute is give me the ball

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<v Speaker 2>in the middle of the floor and let me play

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<v Speaker 2>one on one, that is going to come with a

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<v Speaker 2>certain amount of like, well, how do I fit this

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<v Speaker 2>guy in with what we're trying to build here in

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Portland, or in any of these situations. Denver

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<v Speaker 2>any I talked about that in terms of the reported

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<v Speaker 2>potential swap with him and Jamal Murray.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>So, like I, as I look at this, I think

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<v Speaker 2>the combination of the way he performed in advanced metrics

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<v Speaker 2>and how he performed in terms of his natural basketball

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<v Speaker 2>fit with other players, I think all of that played

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<v Speaker 2>a role in Jalen Brown's value kind of tanking over

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<v Speaker 2>the course of you know, a weird couple of months

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<v Speaker 2>after his best season of his career. Again it's been

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<v Speaker 2>said to death, but second team All NBA sixth and

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<v Speaker 2>MVP voting, I'll played better in the first round series

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<v Speaker 2>than I think he got credit for. He didn't play great.

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<v Speaker 2>He definitely didn't play as well as he did in

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<v Speaker 2>the regular season, but I think he performed better than

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<v Speaker 2>people think when you look at that series, and they

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<v Speaker 2>still had a chance to win despite the issues with

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<v Speaker 2>Joel Embiid and Tatum breaking down over the course of

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<v Speaker 2>the series. And so I do think Jalen Brown is

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<v Speaker 2>still a little undervalued. And that's where I want to

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<v Speaker 2>start with the Sixers here with to put it very simply,

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<v Speaker 2>I've always said this, like, don't overthink things like Jalen

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<v Speaker 2>Brown is just a very talented basketball player. He is

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<v Speaker 2>a guy that you can deploy on apex perimeter talents

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<v Speaker 2>in the NBA, and he can defend at an extremely

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<v Speaker 2>high level. He is a player that has shown great

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<v Speaker 2>growth as an isolation attacker in the middle of the floor,

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<v Speaker 2>that has shown growth as a playmaker there. And it's

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<v Speaker 2>not a coincidence that he had as much success as

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<v Speaker 2>he did last season. And we discussed the advanced metrics

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<v Speaker 2>thing at length earlier this week, so I won't get

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<v Speaker 2>into it again here, but just the very short version

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<v Speaker 2>of it is, don't overreact to some of the advanced metrics.

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<v Speaker 2>They do not count for the fact that Jalen Brown

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<v Speaker 2>was on the floor to start games, and he was

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<v Speaker 2>on the floor to close games. And the Celtics were

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<v Speaker 2>one of the best teams in the league last season,

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<v Speaker 2>and when they won games, they won with Jalen Brown

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<v Speaker 2>on the floor in all of the pivotal moments. So

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<v Speaker 2>don't overthink things on that front. And very simply, when

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<v Speaker 2>things broke down for Boston, he was their most reliable

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<v Speaker 2>get a bucket guy by a mile, and I still

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<v Speaker 2>think that there's a lot of value on that in

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<v Speaker 2>the NBA. So as you look at at Philly, and

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<v Speaker 2>obviously you have the Dean Wade acquisition at the power

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<v Speaker 2>forward spot, you lose Quinton Grimes, you add Jalen Brown in.

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<v Speaker 1>At that small forward spot.

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<v Speaker 2>We have a starting lineup that's going to include Tyrese

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<v Speaker 2>Maxey at the one, VJ Edgecomb at the two, Jalen

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<v Speaker 2>Brown at the three, Dean Wade at the four, Joel

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<v Speaker 2>Embiid at the five. Still slow in the front court,

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<v Speaker 2>and that I think is where the fail point is

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<v Speaker 2>for this particular team. As we saw in the Knicks series.

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<v Speaker 2>If you have a team that could put these guys

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<v Speaker 2>in pick and roll, whether it's Indiana for example, or

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<v Speaker 2>it's a team like New York with Jaln Brown that

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<v Speaker 2>can space the flour and put your bigs in pick

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<v Speaker 2>and roll, I think there's some problems there for Philly defensively.

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<v Speaker 2>And for the record, like I was talking about this

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<v Speaker 2>with Jackson before we went live, and we're gonna talk

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<v Speaker 2>about the Celtics in a second, I think this is

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<v Speaker 2>unmitigated disaster for Boston. But if you look at the situation,

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<v Speaker 2>I think Brad Stevens being willing to trade Jalen Brown

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<v Speaker 2>not just to a team in the Eastern Conference that

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<v Speaker 2>he has to compete with, but a team in the

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<v Speaker 2>Eastern Conference that just eliminated them from the playoffs.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Brad.

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<v Speaker 2>Stevens sending Jalen Brown to Philly is a strong statement

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<v Speaker 2>from Brad Stevens that he doesn't view Philly as some

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<v Speaker 2>sort of upper tier contender in the East.

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<v Speaker 1>With Jalen Brown, I would.

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<v Speaker 2>Move them up from where they were to being a

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<v Speaker 2>legitimate puncher's chance threat, kind of in that tier with

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<v Speaker 2>Cleveland and Detroit. I've kind of described the tiers so

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<v Speaker 2>far this offseason is I have like New York Boston.

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<v Speaker 2>Now Boston to me is a big question after the

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<v Speaker 2>Jalen Brown trade. Will get to them in a minute,

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<v Speaker 2>But before the trade, I had Boston in that tier,

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<v Speaker 2>and I had Toronto in that tier after the Kawhi

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<v Speaker 2>Leonard trade, and then I go down to the next

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<v Speaker 2>group and that's where I have, Like you know, Indiana,

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<v Speaker 2>there's some question marks. Zubots is a very different player

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<v Speaker 2>than Miles Turner. There's been health stuff with Tyrey Saliburton

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<v Speaker 2>even more than the Achilles. He's had some other health

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<v Speaker 2>stuff that he's been dealing with. It's just we're a

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<v Speaker 2>long way removed from their finals run. So Indiana has

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<v Speaker 2>some question marks, Cleveland has some question marks. Remains to

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<v Speaker 2>be seen if they pull up. There's a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>building Cleveland buzz with Lebron today for whatever reason. That

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<v Speaker 2>could just mean that they have another deal lined up

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<v Speaker 2>to try to achieve a move for Lebron. But I

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<v Speaker 2>would put Philly in that group. They're very fast on

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<v Speaker 2>the perimeter. MAXI and VJ edgecom fastest shit. Like Jalen

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<v Speaker 2>Brown is a force multiplier athletically in that unit. He

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<v Speaker 2>kind of replaces that Kelly Ubray spot to me. Where

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<v Speaker 2>like Kelly Eubray was the athlete that you had at

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<v Speaker 2>the forward spot in between embat and the guards, Jalen

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<v Speaker 2>Brown now just becomes that athlete at the ford spot.

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<v Speaker 2>Gives them a different method to attack now, Like I

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<v Speaker 2>talked about this with Toronto, Like I like the idea

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<v Speaker 2>of having different avenues to attack, Like, Oh, I've got

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<v Speaker 2>Jamal s Sheedd and Emmanuel quickly, i can speed attack

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<v Speaker 2>against slow players. Oh I've got Kawhi Leonard and Scottie Barnes.

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<v Speaker 2>I can power attack against size mismatches from my forward position.

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<v Speaker 2>I've got different ways that I can attack. I like

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<v Speaker 2>that with Philly right like I've got Maxi and edgecomb

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<v Speaker 2>as speed guards that can attack off of the dribble

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<v Speaker 2>and knock down shots over the top. I've got Joel

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<v Speaker 2>Embiid who can just annihilate a center rotation if you

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<v Speaker 2>don't have the right type of center in your rotation

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<v Speaker 2>and Bead's kicking your ass. A That's a real value

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<v Speaker 2>add there in terms of a way to break down

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<v Speaker 2>a defense. They can run pick and roll with those guards,

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<v Speaker 2>and with Joel Embiid, Jalen Brown gives you a very

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<v Speaker 2>different type of attack in the form of a reliable

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<v Speaker 2>isolation option in the middle of the floor with three

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<v Speaker 2>point shooting around them. You know Dean Wade. I think

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<v Speaker 2>Dean Wade is a better basketball player than Kelly u Bray.

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<v Speaker 2>I know that's up for debate. I just think he's

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<v Speaker 2>a more well rounded basketball player that I think will

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<v Speaker 2>be useful for Philly. His shooting is a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>of a question mark, but you've got a shooting five,

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<v Speaker 2>You've got your guards that have that have high level

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<v Speaker 2>three point shooting talent, it's gonna be able to They're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be able to create space for Jalen Brown to

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<v Speaker 2>attack in the middle of the floor, and so there

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<v Speaker 2>is upside there. I don't want to undersell this again,

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<v Speaker 2>don't overthink things. Jalen Brown is a.

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<v Speaker 1>Flat out upgrade over Paul George.

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<v Speaker 2>Paul George essentially was useless as the series progressed against

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<v Speaker 2>New York. That's not gonna be a problem with with

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<v Speaker 2>Jalen Brown. Jalen Brown is better. This is a better

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<v Speaker 2>basketball team. Give me Tyrese Maxi vj Edgecomb and Jalen

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<v Speaker 2>Brown and Joel and beating the playoff series. I think

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<v Speaker 2>you got a puncher's chance, but I think that's where

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<v Speaker 2>they land. I think they land in that puncher's chance tier.

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<v Speaker 2>And ultimately, the flaw this team is just their speed

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<v Speaker 2>in the front court. Are they going to be able

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<v Speaker 2>to be fast enough to do the things that they

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<v Speaker 2>need to do in the on the defensive end in

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<v Speaker 2>the postseason against the teams that can spread them out

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<v Speaker 2>in pick and roll. That's where things are going to

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<v Speaker 2>get interesting on the again, on the Boston front, I

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<v Speaker 2>just think this is a disaster. There was some strange

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<v Speaker 2>reporting coming out to coming out to Today earlier today

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<v Speaker 2>from Scham's basically saying that Jalen Brown had not requested

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<v Speaker 2>a trade and that the Celtics were shopping him anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>That didn't make a lot of sense to me. That

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<v Speaker 2>felt like posturing. It felt kind of like, actually, he

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<v Speaker 2>does want to get traded, but we just don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to let everyone think that he wants to get traded

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<v Speaker 2>so that we can have some sort of leverage in

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<v Speaker 2>these discussions. I don't know why you do this deal

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<v Speaker 2>unless Jalen Brown has told you he doesn't want to

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<v Speaker 2>play for you anymore. You're just a better basketball team

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<v Speaker 2>with Jaylen Brown than you are with Paul George and

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of draft assets. The story of the Celtics

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<v Speaker 2>season will be told with what happens from here. You're

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<v Speaker 2>unquestionably worse right now. By the way, Paul George impressed

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<v Speaker 2>me in this playoff run.

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<v Speaker 1>He did.

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously he struggled in the Knick series, but he showed

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<v Speaker 2>some impressive shot making. He showed some pull up shooting

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<v Speaker 2>and pick and roll. Especially in the Celtics series, he

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<v Speaker 2>showed hoigh level defense. I was really impressed by Paul

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<v Speaker 2>George defensively, especially in the Celtics series. Paul George is

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<v Speaker 2>a useful basketball player when he's healthy and if he

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<v Speaker 2>ends up playing minutes at some point for the Celtics

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<v Speaker 2>this season, he is a useful basketball player. But on

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<v Speaker 2>his contract with the one plus one that he has remaining,

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<v Speaker 2>meaning he is this season plus a player option at

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<v Speaker 2>a grand total of I think right around one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and eleven million dollars between the two seasons, that's a

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<v Speaker 2>negative asset. Given his injury history and his production. He's

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<v Speaker 2>useful role player right now, not star level ball handler.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Jimmy Butler on his contract, at least you

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<v Speaker 2>can talk yourself into like, hey, if he comes back

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<v Speaker 2>this season in February, we have a high level playoff

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<v Speaker 2>shot creator, two way talent under roster control. That's not

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<v Speaker 2>the case with Paul George. And so as I look

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<v Speaker 2>at the situation here, even if we look at the

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<v Speaker 2>draft as sets two first round picks, one of which

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<v Speaker 2>is protected, two second round picks, how are we factoring in,

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<v Speaker 2>Like if Boston just wanted to dump Paul George this summer,

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<v Speaker 2>what would they have to pay.

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<v Speaker 1>They probably have to attach a first which.

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<v Speaker 2>Even further drives home that point I was making earlier

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<v Speaker 2>about how I was wrong about the value of the

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<v Speaker 2>Miami draft package versus the Boston draft package. Again, if

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<v Speaker 2>he's healthy, I do think he brings utility as a

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<v Speaker 2>catch and shoot guy, is a guy that can run

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<v Speaker 2>some second side action as a versatile perimeter defender. But

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<v Speaker 2>paying one hundred and eleven million dollars over the next

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<v Speaker 2>two years for that type of talent is an overpay,

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<v Speaker 2>especially in the context of giving up Jaln Brown.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, as you look at their draft assets, it's a.

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<v Speaker 2>Little convoluted because that twenty twenty eight pick has some

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<v Speaker 2>has some swap rights, I think with san Antonio if

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<v Speaker 2>I remember correctly, but I believe if I'm not mistaken,

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<v Speaker 2>they have either four or five tradable first round picks

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<v Speaker 2>at this point. So the Celtics absolutely have the ability

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<v Speaker 2>to turn around and make another trade. Now, as you

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<v Speaker 2>look at their tradable salaries, it gets tricky. Maybe it's

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<v Speaker 2>Paul George. But again, as I talked about earlier, at

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<v Speaker 2>a certain point, if you're trading Paul George, there's a

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<v Speaker 2>certain amount of your draft asset getting diluted by the

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<v Speaker 2>value of Paul George's contract around the league. And then

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<v Speaker 2>there's Derek White, who consistently has been one of the

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<v Speaker 2>most valuable on off guys for the Celtics over the

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<v Speaker 2>course of the last few years. Yes, he came off

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<v Speaker 2>of a bad shooting season, but I would expect him

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<v Speaker 2>to shoot the ball much better next season. So I

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<v Speaker 2>think Derek White's an important part of the Celtics. He's

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<v Speaker 2>your one middling contract that you can send out in

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<v Speaker 2>a deal with draft compensation to try to bring in

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<v Speaker 2>good players. Once you get after that, it's like Houser

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<v Speaker 2>who makes less than eleven million and a bunch of

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<v Speaker 2>single digit millions. So yes, you can package dudes and

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<v Speaker 2>you can go out and make a deal, But I

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<v Speaker 2>for the most part, if you're targeting a high level talent,

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<v Speaker 2>you're like, let's say you're like, oh, we want Trey Murphy, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>get ready to send Derek White out.

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<v Speaker 1>And picks.

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<v Speaker 2>So again, I can't write the book on what the

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<v Speaker 2>Boston offseason looks like until whatever additional move they make

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<v Speaker 2>is done. If they make an additional move, but if

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<v Speaker 2>they don't make an additional move, this is a team

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<v Speaker 2>that is worse than the team they were last year,

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<v Speaker 2>even with Mitchell Robinson, because you sent out Jalen Brown,

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<v Speaker 2>and you took on one of the worst contracts in

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<v Speaker 2>the league in Paul George, and you have mediocre draft

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<v Speaker 2>assets to show for it. And I mean, don't take

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<v Speaker 2>my word for every Celtics fan. I've had Celtics fans

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<v Speaker 2>reach out to me just in just in the last hour.

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<v Speaker 2>No one seems to like this deal on the Celtics front.

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<v Speaker 1>Again.

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<v Speaker 2>Brad Stevens is a GM that has earned a certain

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<v Speaker 2>amount of credibility with his work on the margins in

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<v Speaker 2>the last few years and the job that he's done

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<v Speaker 2>to not just build a championship roster, but to salvage

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<v Speaker 2>to salvage last season from what was a gap year

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<v Speaker 2>into a useful season where they looked like a contender

0:17:59.520 --> 0:18:03.920
<v Speaker 2>at time. Like Brad steven deserves the benefit of deserves

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<v Speaker 2>the benefit of the doubt, but he's got a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of work to do to turn the Celtics team into

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<v Speaker 2>a contender next season over the course of the rest

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<v Speaker 2>I want to talk a little bit about the Lakers

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<v Speaker 2>off season. So we recorded an instant reaction to the

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<v Speaker 2>to the Kessler Edwards or to excuse me, to the

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<v Speaker 2>Walker Kessler News earlier today. But at that point we

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<v Speaker 2>did not know the specifics of the remainder of the moves.

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<v Speaker 2>We had some intel, right, like we had heard, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>we're gonna get mamukelosh Villi on some sort of verbal agreement.

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<v Speaker 2>Quinton Grimes was on some sort of verbal agreement. So

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<v Speaker 2>those two guys were lined up in this particular case,

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<v Speaker 2>but the remainder of the moves remained.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a.

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<v Speaker 2>Question mark at that point in time. Now we have

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<v Speaker 2>some clarity on that front. Just to read through the

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<v Speaker 2>moves for you guys, you're getting Quentin Grimes at four

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<v Speaker 2>years sixty million dollars. You're getting Colin Sexton two years,

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen million dollars, Soandra Mama kelosh Villi four years fifty

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<v Speaker 2>two million dollars. So the four big splashy moves for

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<v Speaker 2>the Lakers this offseason are basically Walker Kessler, Sandra Mama,

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<v Speaker 2>Kelos Villi, Colin Sexton, and Quentin Grimes. I want to

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<v Speaker 2>go through these moves individually first and just talk about

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<v Speaker 2>the basketball fit, and then I'll talk about my big

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<v Speaker 2>picture kind of feelings here. I talked about it a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit earlier with Walker Kessler. I love Walker Kessler

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<v Speaker 2>in a vacuum as a fit alongside Austin and Luca.

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<v Speaker 2>Is he the best vertical spacing threat in the league. No,

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<v Speaker 2>but I think he gives a lot of utility against

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<v Speaker 2>different looks. Vertical spacing is most valuable in the in

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<v Speaker 2>the context of pick and roll against drop coverage, right,

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<v Speaker 2>So like if they're running drop coverage and Luca can

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<v Speaker 2>get downhill and he can bait the big to step over,

0:21:58.320 --> 0:22:02.320
<v Speaker 2>there's your lob. Austin come screaming downhill, engages the big,

0:22:02.600 --> 0:22:06.280
<v Speaker 2>there's your lob. Right, Those are the obvious plays that

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<v Speaker 2>you're looking at for a vertical spacer, But every other

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<v Speaker 2>type of look, I actually think Walker has a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of utility. So like switching, Walker Kessler will mash you

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<v Speaker 2>on the offensive glass if you switch. That's a real

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<v Speaker 2>piece of utility. Blitzing. I actually like Walker Kessler as

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<v Speaker 2>a decision maker in the middle of the floor, as

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<v Speaker 2>a playmaking talent. I think that's an area where he

0:22:28.119 --> 0:22:30.880
<v Speaker 2>can continue to grow. So like I actually like Walker's

0:22:30.920 --> 0:22:34.120
<v Speaker 2>fit offensively in some of the other areas there, there's

0:22:34.160 --> 0:22:36.840
<v Speaker 2>a spacing five upside with him. Again, I'd be higher

0:22:36.880 --> 0:22:39.760
<v Speaker 2>on it if he higher on the trade, if he

0:22:39.880 --> 0:22:42.400
<v Speaker 2>was had a better track record there. But he has

0:22:42.440 --> 0:22:45.439
<v Speaker 2>potential to become a stretch five right where I have

0:22:45.560 --> 0:22:47.960
<v Speaker 2>some concerns with him are specifically whether or not that

0:22:48.080 --> 0:22:50.760
<v Speaker 2>stretch five piece of it is viable and whether or

0:22:50.800 --> 0:22:53.919
<v Speaker 2>not he can be a switching big defensively. But he

0:22:54.000 --> 0:22:57.080
<v Speaker 2>has utility on offense mashing on the offensive glass against

0:22:57.080 --> 0:22:59.480
<v Speaker 2>switches and then working in the middle of the floor

0:22:59.520 --> 0:23:02.280
<v Speaker 2>as a playing talent, and he'll have some utility as

0:23:02.320 --> 0:23:05.200
<v Speaker 2>a finisher around the basket in their pick and roll scheme.

0:23:05.440 --> 0:23:07.520
<v Speaker 2>On defense, he's just quite simply been one of the

0:23:07.520 --> 0:23:09.679
<v Speaker 2>best rim protectors of the last several years, and so

0:23:09.760 --> 0:23:12.840
<v Speaker 2>with that being the case, there's an obvious upside there

0:23:13.119 --> 0:23:16.520
<v Speaker 2>with him. Defensively, the story of the trade and whether

0:23:16.600 --> 0:23:18.920
<v Speaker 2>or not the picks are worth it puts a lot

0:23:18.960 --> 0:23:22.160
<v Speaker 2>of pressure on Walker Kessler and how good he becomes,

0:23:22.200 --> 0:23:26.879
<v Speaker 2>because you basically need now you need Walker Kessler to

0:23:27.000 --> 0:23:29.480
<v Speaker 2>blossom into a top five or sixth center in the league.

0:23:29.960 --> 0:23:32.600
<v Speaker 2>That to me, is the only case for this trade

0:23:32.640 --> 0:23:36.160
<v Speaker 2>making sense for the Lakers is Walker becomes a dude

0:23:36.200 --> 0:23:38.120
<v Speaker 2>who hits thirty eight percent of his threes on four

0:23:38.200 --> 0:23:41.119
<v Speaker 2>or five attempts per game and shows real utility as

0:23:41.160 --> 0:23:43.879
<v Speaker 2>a switching big that anchors a Lakers defense even with

0:23:43.920 --> 0:23:47.480
<v Speaker 2>mediocre defensive talent, and just we're talking about this like

0:23:47.520 --> 0:23:51.679
<v Speaker 2>holy shit, Walker's the sixth or seventh best center in

0:23:51.720 --> 0:23:54.320
<v Speaker 2>the NBA, fifth best center in the NBA. That's the

0:23:54.320 --> 0:23:57.280
<v Speaker 2>only version of this where I'm like, Okay, I can

0:23:57.320 --> 0:24:00.639
<v Speaker 2>see the justification of the deal. That's a lot of

0:24:00.680 --> 0:24:03.560
<v Speaker 2>pressure on Walker to be great. And I really like Walker,

0:24:03.560 --> 0:24:05.560
<v Speaker 2>as you guys know, as I've talked a lot about

0:24:05.600 --> 0:24:08.119
<v Speaker 2>how much I think he fits in specifically to what

0:24:08.200 --> 0:24:10.199
<v Speaker 2>this team is trying to do. So I want to

0:24:10.200 --> 0:24:12.480
<v Speaker 2>start there with in a vacuum, with Walker as a

0:24:12.480 --> 0:24:14.280
<v Speaker 2>basketball player. First, We'll talk about the picks here.

0:24:14.200 --> 0:24:14.800
<v Speaker 1>In a minute.

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<v Speaker 2>I like Soandra mam Mikhalos Feely a lot. I think

0:24:17.480 --> 0:24:21.560
<v Speaker 2>that he is basically a better version of ruey Hot Tramura,

0:24:21.720 --> 0:24:24.679
<v Speaker 2>not the same type of player. Rui showed absolute laser

0:24:24.720 --> 0:24:26.920
<v Speaker 2>beam catch and shoot three point shooting on the weak side.

0:24:26.960 --> 0:24:30.120
<v Speaker 2>Sandro did not have a good shooting series against Toronto,

0:24:30.160 --> 0:24:33.359
<v Speaker 2>although his minutes were inconsistent in that particular series. I

0:24:33.359 --> 0:24:36.119
<v Speaker 2>think the average like fourteen fifteen minutes a game in

0:24:36.160 --> 0:24:38.639
<v Speaker 2>that series. But he is a much more well rounded

0:24:38.640 --> 0:24:42.080
<v Speaker 2>basketball player. Ruy Hatsamura really struggled with his decision making

0:24:42.119 --> 0:24:46.120
<v Speaker 2>off of the bounce, did not show high level playmaking talent. Basically,

0:24:46.119 --> 0:24:48.080
<v Speaker 2>if he wasn't shooting a catch and shoot three or

0:24:48.119 --> 0:24:50.720
<v Speaker 2>a wonderable pull up on a rip through, he didn't

0:24:50.720 --> 0:24:54.880
<v Speaker 2>show much offensive utility. Soandro has a lot of utility

0:24:54.920 --> 0:24:57.920
<v Speaker 2>beyond that. He is a catch and shoot player. He

0:24:58.000 --> 0:25:00.960
<v Speaker 2>can drive closeouts and score, but he also has a

0:25:00.960 --> 0:25:03.640
<v Speaker 2>lot more offensive utility beyond that. That is a legitimate

0:25:03.720 --> 0:25:07.040
<v Speaker 2>dribbleshoot pass talent, which is going to fit extremely well

0:25:07.080 --> 0:25:10.280
<v Speaker 2>with Luca and Austin driving closeouts and playing with advantage

0:25:10.280 --> 0:25:12.200
<v Speaker 2>in the middle of the floor. Sandro is also an

0:25:12.240 --> 0:25:16.280
<v Speaker 2>excellent rebounder. Ruey Achi Mura a terrible rebounder for his

0:25:16.440 --> 0:25:19.680
<v Speaker 2>size and so Sandro is a good basketball player.

0:25:19.560 --> 0:25:20.840
<v Speaker 1>And I like it.

0:25:21.119 --> 0:25:23.679
<v Speaker 2>In the vacuum, Let's pretend the Lakers did retain Lebron

0:25:23.720 --> 0:25:26.240
<v Speaker 2>and did retain Marcus Smart. If they were like, we're

0:25:26.240 --> 0:25:28.720
<v Speaker 2>gonna get Sandro and let Ruey walk, I'd be like,

0:25:29.680 --> 0:25:33.360
<v Speaker 2>amazing deal, huge fan, great direction for them to go.

0:25:34.200 --> 0:25:36.760
<v Speaker 2>Do I think Sandro can be the starting power forward

0:25:37.400 --> 0:25:39.120
<v Speaker 2>on a championship level team.

0:25:39.280 --> 0:25:39.919
<v Speaker 1>No, I don't.

0:25:40.880 --> 0:25:42.800
<v Speaker 2>And that's where it gets a little bit tricky with

0:25:42.840 --> 0:25:45.000
<v Speaker 2>the predicament the Lakers are in with the rest of

0:25:45.040 --> 0:25:47.560
<v Speaker 2>their roster talent. We'll get to that in a minute.

0:25:47.800 --> 0:25:50.720
<v Speaker 2>Quentin Grimes, I think that one is an overpay four years,

0:25:50.720 --> 0:25:54.720
<v Speaker 2>sixty million. I think in that territory I'm looking for

0:25:54.800 --> 0:25:57.760
<v Speaker 2>like a super reliable to way player, and I just

0:25:57.760 --> 0:26:00.720
<v Speaker 2>don't view Quinton Grimes as a super reliable two way player.

0:26:00.960 --> 0:26:04.280
<v Speaker 2>He has shown potential as a perimeter defender. I think

0:26:04.320 --> 0:26:07.879
<v Speaker 2>that the Lakers specific specifically with Walker Kessler as a

0:26:07.960 --> 0:26:11.600
<v Speaker 2>drop coverage big really need Quinton Grimes and Colin Sexton

0:26:11.680 --> 0:26:14.880
<v Speaker 2>now to blossom into like legitimate chase over the top

0:26:14.880 --> 0:26:17.400
<v Speaker 2>pick and roll defenders. Like we don't give up switches.

0:26:17.640 --> 0:26:21.200
<v Speaker 2>We we fight through every fucking screen. You're not getting Luca

0:26:21.280 --> 0:26:24.919
<v Speaker 2>on you. You're not attacking Walker in space. We are getting

0:26:24.920 --> 0:26:27.280
<v Speaker 2>over the top of screens, and we are funneling into

0:26:27.320 --> 0:26:29.720
<v Speaker 2>Kessler at the rim. That's a lot of pressure on

0:26:29.760 --> 0:26:33.560
<v Speaker 2>those two guys. Colin's shown some potential there. Quinton Grimes

0:26:33.560 --> 0:26:35.879
<v Speaker 2>has shown some potential there. I don't think either of

0:26:35.920 --> 0:26:40.159
<v Speaker 2>those guys are like professional perimeter defender's professional point of

0:26:40.200 --> 0:26:42.320
<v Speaker 2>attack guys defending guards is the way that you would

0:26:42.320 --> 0:26:45.240
<v Speaker 2>look at like a Davon Mitchell for example. So like

0:26:45.600 --> 0:26:48.760
<v Speaker 2>with that and with Quinton Grimes being a guy that

0:26:48.800 --> 0:26:51.600
<v Speaker 2>has some offensive pop but not what I consider to

0:26:51.640 --> 0:26:55.000
<v Speaker 2>be a super reliable off ball offensive guard, four year,

0:26:55.040 --> 0:26:57.560
<v Speaker 2>sixty million is a lot to pay. That feels like

0:26:58.160 --> 0:27:02.720
<v Speaker 2>that feels like an overpay me for Quentin Grimes. Colin Sexton. Again,

0:27:02.760 --> 0:27:05.560
<v Speaker 2>I don't necessarily And to be clear, if Quentin Grimes

0:27:05.640 --> 0:27:07.880
<v Speaker 2>was the seventh or eighth best player on my team

0:27:07.920 --> 0:27:10.600
<v Speaker 2>and I'm paying him six million a year instead of fifteen,

0:27:11.800 --> 0:27:14.639
<v Speaker 2>you get another round of applause for me here, Colin Sexton,

0:27:14.720 --> 0:27:18.520
<v Speaker 2>same sort of thing. I Colin Sexton making less than

0:27:18.520 --> 0:27:20.480
<v Speaker 2>ten million a year to be a backup guard is

0:27:20.520 --> 0:27:22.199
<v Speaker 2>a guy that can get up into the basketball with

0:27:22.240 --> 0:27:25.880
<v Speaker 2>some ball pressure like I like it, but in the

0:27:25.920 --> 0:27:28.840
<v Speaker 2>context of the other moves and the limitations that they have,

0:27:30.200 --> 0:27:33.240
<v Speaker 2>I don't understand, for instance, why you pay two years

0:27:33.320 --> 0:27:36.960
<v Speaker 2>nineteen million to Collin Sexton but you don't pay a

0:27:37.040 --> 0:27:41.520
<v Speaker 2>guy like a guy like Marcus Smart, who showed the

0:27:41.560 --> 0:27:44.720
<v Speaker 2>ability to be a reliable fifth starter for the Lakers

0:27:44.800 --> 0:27:47.760
<v Speaker 2>last year. Again, preferably I want Marcus as my sixth

0:27:47.800 --> 0:27:51.760
<v Speaker 2>best player, but he's shown real ability to start for

0:27:51.880 --> 0:27:55.120
<v Speaker 2>this team and did so last year and was cheaper.

0:27:55.800 --> 0:27:58.639
<v Speaker 2>Look at what Houston paid him. You have a gaping

0:27:58.720 --> 0:28:01.560
<v Speaker 2>hole at the starting power forward spot where Kelly Ubray

0:28:01.600 --> 0:28:04.480
<v Speaker 2>started all season. Look at what Kelly Oubra made. Why

0:28:04.560 --> 0:28:07.639
<v Speaker 2>isn't Kelly Ubra a Laker? Now we have another combo

0:28:07.680 --> 0:28:10.239
<v Speaker 2>guard at two years nineteen million. So it's like, do

0:28:10.280 --> 0:28:12.399
<v Speaker 2>I like Colin Sexton as a basketball player? Do I

0:28:12.400 --> 0:28:14.000
<v Speaker 2>think he can be useful for the Lakers?

0:28:14.080 --> 0:28:16.560
<v Speaker 1>Yes? Do I like Quentin Grimes and think he can

0:28:16.600 --> 0:28:17.880
<v Speaker 1>be useful to the Lakers? Yes?

0:28:18.200 --> 0:28:21.760
<v Speaker 2>Do I actually really like Sondro Mamo Keloshpielie, I really

0:28:21.800 --> 0:28:24.840
<v Speaker 2>like Walker Kessler. But as I zoom out from everything,

0:28:25.760 --> 0:28:27.840
<v Speaker 2>and we look at the reality of the predicament here,

0:28:27.880 --> 0:28:30.000
<v Speaker 2>which is they have used up all their cap space,

0:28:30.040 --> 0:28:32.320
<v Speaker 2>so they basically just have two VET minimum spots left. Now,

0:28:32.359 --> 0:28:35.000
<v Speaker 2>there's some reporting out there that they could wave and

0:28:35.040 --> 0:28:38.080
<v Speaker 2>stretch Jared Vanderbilt's contract and generate another like six or

0:28:38.120 --> 0:28:41.080
<v Speaker 2>seven million dollars salary slot, and maybe you can pitch

0:28:41.080 --> 0:28:43.560
<v Speaker 2>a Jonathan Kaminga on a starting power forward role and

0:28:43.600 --> 0:28:46.440
<v Speaker 2>we'll see if that ends up materializing. It's been reported

0:28:46.520 --> 0:28:49.440
<v Speaker 2>by I think Jake Fisher from mark Stein Substack that

0:28:49.800 --> 0:28:53.120
<v Speaker 2>there's some interest in Milwaukee for a guy like Jonathan Kaminga,

0:28:53.160 --> 0:28:56.400
<v Speaker 2>So that remains to be seen. But as far as

0:28:56.440 --> 0:28:59.560
<v Speaker 2>I'm concerned, this is the off season with some small

0:28:59.600 --> 0:29:02.280
<v Speaker 2>potential for maybe you get a Matisse Taible on a

0:29:02.360 --> 0:29:06.520
<v Speaker 2>veteran minimum, Maybe you get one of those combo guards

0:29:06.520 --> 0:29:09.080
<v Speaker 2>out there that like a zach Lavine or Demarta Rosen

0:29:09.080 --> 0:29:10.640
<v Speaker 2>that gets bought out or something like that.

0:29:10.880 --> 0:29:11.800
<v Speaker 1>Maybe you get.

0:29:11.560 --> 0:29:15.200
<v Speaker 2>A a Jonathan Kaminga like we talked about, But those

0:29:15.200 --> 0:29:17.480
<v Speaker 2>are small moves on the periphery. At this point, this

0:29:17.640 --> 0:29:20.640
<v Speaker 2>is your squad, and as how many of these guys

0:29:20.680 --> 0:29:23.520
<v Speaker 2>do I think are high level two way starters to

0:29:23.680 --> 0:29:28.040
<v Speaker 2>flank between Luca and Austin. In the context of the

0:29:28.160 --> 0:29:33.760
<v Speaker 2>NBA playoffs, Walker Kessler, that's it. Everybody else I'd prefer

0:29:33.880 --> 0:29:37.640
<v Speaker 2>in the sixth, seventh, eighth spot in the rotation. That

0:29:37.720 --> 0:29:39.880
<v Speaker 2>Toronto team lost in the first round, and they were

0:29:39.880 --> 0:29:45.120
<v Speaker 2>like they didn't have much use for Sondro in the postseason. Now,

0:29:45.160 --> 0:29:47.560
<v Speaker 2>mind you, you know obviously that you have Scotty Barnes

0:29:47.560 --> 0:29:49.000
<v Speaker 2>playing in front of him a lot. But like the

0:29:49.040 --> 0:29:52.760
<v Speaker 2>point is, you don't have a ton of utility for

0:29:52.880 --> 0:29:56.040
<v Speaker 2>Sandro as like a thirty minute per game playoff guy.

0:29:57.080 --> 0:29:59.800
<v Speaker 2>I like him as a eighteen to twenty two minute

0:29:59.800 --> 0:30:03.760
<v Speaker 2>per game sixth or seventh man, and that's not going

0:30:03.840 --> 0:30:07.320
<v Speaker 2>to be his role with the Lakers. And as I

0:30:07.360 --> 0:30:10.640
<v Speaker 2>look at the situation, you have a gaping hole at

0:30:10.640 --> 0:30:13.360
<v Speaker 2>the starting three spot where you're gonna have probably a

0:30:13.440 --> 0:30:16.880
<v Speaker 2>Quinton Grimes masquerading as you're starting three. You have a

0:30:16.920 --> 0:30:19.600
<v Speaker 2>gaping hole at the starting four spot where you're probably

0:30:19.680 --> 0:30:22.920
<v Speaker 2>gonna have a Sandra Mamma kelos Vili masquerading as you're

0:30:22.960 --> 0:30:26.280
<v Speaker 2>starting four. And you have no tradable first round picks

0:30:26.280 --> 0:30:29.760
<v Speaker 2>over the next seven seasons. And that's where like again,

0:30:30.760 --> 0:30:34.480
<v Speaker 2>that's where the pressure is on Walker Kessler, because I

0:30:34.560 --> 0:30:38.160
<v Speaker 2>think the only justification for trading multiple first round picks

0:30:38.160 --> 0:30:41.880
<v Speaker 2>for any player is for them to be a really

0:30:41.960 --> 0:30:46.959
<v Speaker 2>high level two way player, and specifically two first round picks,

0:30:47.320 --> 0:30:51.400
<v Speaker 2>two swaps, and a thirty plus million dollars salary slot

0:30:51.440 --> 0:30:55.080
<v Speaker 2>in a cap space summer. You need Walker Kessler to

0:30:55.160 --> 0:30:59.240
<v Speaker 2>be a star. And if he's not, and he's just

0:30:59.280 --> 0:31:03.160
<v Speaker 2>a high level two way starting center, you're devoid of

0:31:03.160 --> 0:31:06.480
<v Speaker 2>what you need elsewhere on the roster with very little

0:31:06.480 --> 0:31:10.160
<v Speaker 2>ability to make the improvements elsewhere. And that's before we

0:31:10.200 --> 0:31:12.120
<v Speaker 2>even get to the stuff I talked about earlier today

0:31:12.160 --> 0:31:16.400
<v Speaker 2>involving culture and the lack of like just professional competitive

0:31:17.560 --> 0:31:23.480
<v Speaker 2>mfors on the team. I think this Lakers team would

0:31:23.520 --> 0:31:26.720
<v Speaker 2>literally have been better if they just were like, oh shit,

0:31:26.840 --> 0:31:30.960
<v Speaker 2>Walker Kessler's too expensive, Let's bring back Lebron and Marcus.

0:31:31.400 --> 0:31:36.000
<v Speaker 2>Let's sign Sondro Mamo kelos Vili, maybe we get one

0:31:36.120 --> 0:31:39.320
<v Speaker 2>or two other discounted vets. With the remaining cap space,

0:31:40.000 --> 0:31:45.880
<v Speaker 2>Let's start eight and Lebron, Marcus and Luca and Austin.

0:31:45.920 --> 0:31:48.000
<v Speaker 2>I think that's a better basketball team than what the

0:31:48.080 --> 0:31:52.360
<v Speaker 2>Lakers are gonna field. Now the Lakers have an additional

0:31:52.960 --> 0:31:56.080
<v Speaker 2>upside here, which is a real thing worth mentioning. They

0:31:56.680 --> 0:31:58.720
<v Speaker 2>wanted to move on and have a clean slate.

0:31:59.680 --> 0:31:59.920
<v Speaker 1>You do.

0:32:00.040 --> 0:32:04.560
<v Speaker 2>You have a clean slate that you succeeded with. Here's

0:32:04.600 --> 0:32:09.120
<v Speaker 2>my problem. You were heading into year three of the

0:32:09.200 --> 0:32:12.520
<v Speaker 2>Luka Doncic era in LA and I think this is

0:32:12.560 --> 0:32:16.880
<v Speaker 2>the worst of the three teams in terms of a

0:32:16.920 --> 0:32:18.200
<v Speaker 2>playoff threat.

0:32:19.680 --> 0:32:22.560
<v Speaker 1>And I don't know how. I don't know how you.

0:32:22.560 --> 0:32:26.400
<v Speaker 2>Reconcile that with the urgency of the Luka danct situation.

0:32:27.440 --> 0:32:28.840
<v Speaker 2>All right, guys, it's all I have for today is

0:32:28.840 --> 0:32:30.920
<v Speaker 2>always a sincerely appreciate you guys for supporting us and

0:32:30.920 --> 0:32:33.240
<v Speaker 2>supporting the show. We're waiting for more news this week.

0:32:33.320 --> 0:32:36.160
<v Speaker 2>Lebron's signing some other trade. Whatever comes down, we will

0:32:36.200 --> 0:32:38.720
<v Speaker 2>react to it when it happens, so I don't know

0:32:38.760 --> 0:32:40.840
<v Speaker 2>when that'll be, so just hang tight. I'll probably be

0:32:40.840 --> 0:32:43.440
<v Speaker 2>shortly after whatever that trade ends up happening when it does,

0:32:43.520 --> 0:32:45.320
<v Speaker 2>so just kind of hang tight and we'll let you

0:32:45.360 --> 0:32:47.000
<v Speaker 2>guys know when the time comes. Again, as always, I

0:32:47.040 --> 0:32:49.360
<v Speaker 2>appreciate you guys, and we will see you later this week.