1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:04,960 Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to this special episode of 2 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:09,120 Speaker 1: The Daily Zeitgeist. Miles. What's special about this episode? Well, 3 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 1: I would say, first of all the locations, we are 4 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: not in our usual studio. We are not look at that. 5 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 1: I just realized you may hear some sounds right now. Uh, 6 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 1: and that's because we're currently at the l A Auto Show. 7 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 1: We are, and we're sitting inside a car. Yes, I 8 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:28,640 Speaker 1: often listen to podcasts inside a car. I've been told 9 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 1: by our listeners that they listen to podcasts inside a car. 10 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 1: We have never spoken to you from inside a car, 11 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:36,839 Speaker 1: and now we're doing it. But this is not just 12 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:39,919 Speaker 1: any car. It is not okay, this is tell them 13 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 1: what it is. Mazda ce X three. Okay. Now, for 14 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: some of you you might say, well, what's that. I'll 15 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:47,840 Speaker 1: tell you what it is. It's one of the greatest 16 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 1: cars I've ever seen. Full disclosure. Do I own a 17 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 1: Mazda Yes? Do I love Mazda? Yes? Can I have 18 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 1: Japanese Yes? Is Mazda Japanese car company? Yes? All of 19 00:00:56,520 --> 00:01:00,080 Speaker 1: the above. Yes. Is this car lit yes, not just 20 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 1: you know, in a very slang sense. There's actually really 21 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 1: nice light coming in. It's pretty pretty beautifully. I think 22 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 1: there's cameras in front of us as well. There is. 23 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:11,119 Speaker 1: This is an unusual environment, but this is an unusual circumstance. 24 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 1: Mazda saw that The Daily Zeitgeist is probably the number 25 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 1: one podcast on Earth, probably undeniably, verifiably. Don't look at 26 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 1: the charts. It's not about the charts. It's about a feeling. 27 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 1: And we feel like we have podcast on earth, just 28 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 1: like we engineer this podcast towards a feeling. Yes, Masda 29 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 1: engineers their cars towards a feeling. Yes, yes. I just 30 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 1: do want to say being in a car like this 31 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 1: makes me feel very accomplished. Has like stitching with leather aboard. 32 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: That's something I never thought I would say. I would 33 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 1: be looking out as I sit in this driver's seat. 34 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: Miles is weeping their tears rolling down the site. He's 35 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 1: doing a great job keeping it together. I'm proud of you, man. 36 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 1: I just I'm sorry, Jack, I gotta keep talking about 37 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 1: this car. It's actually just full disclosure. I'm sitting in 38 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: the driver's seat, um and the again. People have heard 39 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 1: me on the past and the show talk about posture 40 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:09,360 Speaker 1: and how important that is. This seat I'm in, it 41 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 1: is it is tilting my pelvis in a way that 42 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 1: is aligning my spine because you know, you get in 43 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 1: a car, you just want to lean back. Some people 44 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:19,080 Speaker 1: want the gangster lean. Sometimes I want to be upright 45 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 1: because my back hurts, and this is accomplishing that. And 46 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 1: I feel you look, you look uh more upright. You 47 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 1: look like healthy. Yeah, like you're breathing for the first time. 48 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 1: And also it's the seat is giving me the hugs 49 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 1: that my fun never forgave me. That's a different episode entirely. Yeah. 50 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: I mean, we're here to talk really about this feeling 51 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 1: of being alive. And when I think Mazda said, hey, 52 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 1: we like y'all, you like us, I said, well I do. 53 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:50,640 Speaker 1: What are we talking philosophically here? And they were talking 54 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: about this whole campaign of feel alive, right and feeling 55 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 1: alive and what that means to people, And that got 56 00:02:56,360 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: us thinking, what exactly. Yeah, uh, there's a really good 57 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 1: book by this doctor name me Hi Chick Sent me 58 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 1: High Chick Sent me High. Yes, who I learned about 59 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 1: he was maybe still basically you SA, But when I 60 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 1: was going there, that's when I first heard about this 61 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 1: man's work. And it's all about kind of how we 62 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:20,359 Speaker 1: quantify or how we qualify, how what it means to 63 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 1: feel alive or what adds to our general feeling of uh, 64 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:30,119 Speaker 1: what's the word for life? Virilityity, vitality? Thank you so much. See, 65 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 1: I'm overwhelmed by the interior in the new car. Smell 66 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: smell good in here. Actually, I know we might just 67 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 1: do thirty minutes of hard sniff this weird. It's so 68 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: weird that I'm breathing so much on hold on, Yeah, 69 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 1: that's a steering wheel leather. Yeah, it's a that's a 70 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 1: that's a no one for me. Um. Yeah, And just 71 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 1: sort of this idea of like what it means to 72 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 1: actually add to this feeling of living. Yeah, you were, 73 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 1: You were saying that he has kind of an interesting background, right, 74 00:03:56,120 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 1: brought him to to this study essentially, Right, he was 75 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 1: growing up in war torn Europe after World War Two 76 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: and sort of looking around at people's on trying to understand, 77 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 1: you know, with the complete absence of like property or 78 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 1: infrastructure and things like that, he still noticed that people 79 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 1: were able to maintain some sense of well being. Right, 80 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:20,719 Speaker 1: as the daily Zy resident historian, I had always imagined 81 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 1: that war torn Europe would be I think the technical 82 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 1: term is a bummer. Yeah, but you're you're saying that 83 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:32,679 Speaker 1: he found people through m uh. He he found people 84 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 1: who were enjoying their lives. They were Yeah, and that 85 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 1: kind of sent him on this journey of trying to 86 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 1: understand like, Okay, what does it mean to feel alive? 87 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 1: Like what how do we even define what we do 88 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 1: in our lives that give us this feeling of like 89 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: wellness or meaning? Um And so at first he was 90 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 1: trying to find that secret sauce and what that all means. 91 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:55,239 Speaker 1: And I think we'll talk about that after this break 92 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 1: and we're back, uh reminding you still in a car. 93 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:13,040 Speaker 1: You know, I'm gonna actually close this moon roof because 94 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:16,159 Speaker 1: I just wanted the same moon roof. Yeah, I wanna 95 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 1: get a little atmosphere going in here, should I go? 96 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get in the back seat really quick, all right, Yeah, 97 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 1: I just want to feel this one on. Sorry guys, 98 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 1: can he do that? Yep? I can watch me? Oh yeah, 99 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 1: oh here we go. Oh yeah. Now is it strange 100 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:38,040 Speaker 1: for you to be in the back seat of a car? 101 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 1: I know, like the after like driving the same car 102 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 1: for three years, I got in the back seat of 103 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 1: that car of my own car, and I was like, wow, 104 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:49,039 Speaker 1: this this is strange. To be honest, with me in 105 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 1: the back seat, you in the front passenger seat, and 106 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:53,360 Speaker 1: no one in the driver's seat. I'm pretending we're in 107 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 1: an automated vehicle. Yeah, in the year. So yeah, back 108 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 1: to the flow, Back to the flow. Let's get in 109 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 1: the flow. Yeah. I think a lot of people you're 110 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:05,839 Speaker 1: probably asking, Okay, what is a flow state. I'm sure 111 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 1: you've seen Ted talks. Maybe you have, maybe you haven't, 112 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 1: but it's basically, you know, it's a zone that people 113 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: get into. The athletes call it the zone. Artists but 114 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:19,119 Speaker 1: they're more flowery language call it flow. Yeah, inspiration maybe 115 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 1: creative inspiration that they don't know where it comes from. Um. 116 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 1: But through Chick sent me high his research, he was 117 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:29,839 Speaker 1: first interacting with people like musicians and artists and trying 118 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 1: to find out like, okay, how do they feel alive 119 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:34,359 Speaker 1: and realize a lot of what they were discussing is 120 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 1: with a painter. When I'm painting, time just seems to 121 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 1: melt away. As you know, the creativity flows through my 122 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 1: brush and I know not what I'm doing. I'm merely 123 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:48,160 Speaker 1: a vessel for this inspiration and a lot of art, 124 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 1: like even musicians would describe this. And at first he 125 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:52,920 Speaker 1: was like, Okay, maybe this is a thing limited to 126 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:57,599 Speaker 1: just musicians or creatives, but then he realizations are the 127 00:06:57,640 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: only happy people on earth? Right? Well? No, you know 128 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 1: why he says it, right, is because like a lot 129 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: of artists, they'll toil and they will they will pursue 130 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 1: their art sometimes without any kind of fame or fortune, 131 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 1: because to them, that whole pursuit is what's meaningful to them. 132 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 1: And I think that was sort of the beginning part 133 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 1: of like Way hold On. So it's really not about 134 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 1: a lot of the times we think about is this 135 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 1: happiness tied to like wealth or your location or your age. 136 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 1: And you know, through a lot of research, you realize 137 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 1: income hardly affects your overall state of well being or 138 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 1: sense of well being, and people will chase creative fulfillment 139 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 1: despite you know, not not having some of those things 140 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 1: that we think are the goals of life. How many 141 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 1: people do you know who have a SoundCloud page? I 142 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 1: think it's everyone. How many people have a podcast? Yeah, yeah, 143 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 1: exactly so. But I mean I think like at the 144 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 1: same way, we look at a lot of people you 145 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 1: will see people who whether it's through their art, you'd 146 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 1: be like, man, I can't. They're still doing it. Yeah, 147 00:07:57,960 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 1: still doing it because at the end of the day, 148 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 1: a lot of it isn't really about what maybe we 149 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 1: define as like the end goal, but more about what 150 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 1: is actually fulfilling us in that pursuit. Yeah, that's what 151 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 1: this flow state is all about. It's a zone where 152 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 1: you engage in a task that requires skill. It has 153 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 1: to be skilled. Can't just be you can't just be 154 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: on autopilot, right and has so it has to be 155 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 1: slightly challenging and also provide you instant feedback. That's when 156 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 1: he realized, Okay, this is a way to achieve this 157 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 1: state without being a creative so to speak. Yeah, I 158 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 1: think there's an aspect of it, Uh that is like 159 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 1: what you know when you're going downstairs and you if 160 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 1: you think about how your feet are moving one in 161 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 1: front of the other, like it messes you up, but 162 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 1: you're you're there's like a part of your mind that 163 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 1: has no like conscious awareness that is making your feet 164 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 1: like move faster than the speed of thought. Like it's 165 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 1: like that, but at a larger overall level, there has 166 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:58,080 Speaker 1: to be like all these other things like creative fulfillment. 167 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, do you you struggle sucking down? You know? 168 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 1: You know how I'm always thinking about right down, a 169 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 1: little bit down, a little bit more so you know 170 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 1: how I have to audibly say say, I'm like, no, 171 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 1: it is and I think you know, just with the 172 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 1: studies they've done, right, they've even played, uh, two people 173 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 1: like the same music played by two different kinds of performers. 174 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 1: One like, you know, we'll say it was like a 175 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:38,199 Speaker 1: Mozart quartet piece or something, and realized they played two 176 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 1: groups of musicians, one that were like season pros who 177 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:43,839 Speaker 1: just do like just there, like put the music in 178 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: front of me and I can just rip through this. 179 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 1: And then another group who was a little more less 180 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 1: about just sort of like less mechanical, right, Like they 181 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: were more engaged rather just on autopilot. And even when 182 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:57,719 Speaker 1: they played this music for people, the people of the 183 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 1: time said the version that was not on autopilot, the 184 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 1: one where people were like much more engaged and even 185 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 1: playing the piece even if they didn't know music, it 186 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 1: sounded better to them, right, you could almost like feel 187 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:12,320 Speaker 1: the feeling coming through exactly. Yeah, there's another kind of 188 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 1: example of this with people think of photographic memories as 189 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 1: a like acting as as if it's a camera, right like, 190 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 1: But so one of the people are one of the 191 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 1: groups of people that are famously have photographic memories are 192 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 1: chess masters. They can just look at a board and 193 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 1: like for one split second and remember every piece like 194 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 1: where it was in the position of the pieces. But 195 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 1: they found that it doesn't work if the pieces are 196 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:45,440 Speaker 1: just arranged randomly in a place in a way that 197 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 1: they couldn't actually get to for a game. So it 198 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 1: has to be like part of some overall structure, all right, 199 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 1: Like you couldn't just randomly put like a pawn in 200 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 1: a part of the board it wouldn't reach, or a 201 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 1: rook or something like that. Yeah, it has to actually 202 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 1: be like part somewhere in the course of an actual 203 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:06,680 Speaker 1: chess match, or else their brain like won't capture it. 204 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 1: So it's like connecting the actual context, the actual overall 205 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:15,439 Speaker 1: goals with whatever their art form is, with you know, 206 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 1: being able to be so good at the thing that 207 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:21,079 Speaker 1: you can kind of dissolve into it like some people 208 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:24,320 Speaker 1: can when they're going downstairs and I can't. But I've 209 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 1: been studying it, and I think one of these days, 210 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get it. So is going downstairs a flow 211 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 1: activity for you? So I always like the stairs, You're like, yo, 212 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 1: I gotta get right real quick. I'm gonna go and 213 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:37,680 Speaker 1: put down these stuffs and out you know the feeling 214 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 1: I'm talking about though, like yeah, your your feet are 215 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:42,200 Speaker 1: actually moving like that was one of the things that 216 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 1: when I was young, like first made me realize like, oh, 217 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:50,440 Speaker 1: like the thought is not something necessarily that you can 218 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:54,839 Speaker 1: fully you know, put into words like there's there's things 219 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 1: happening that's access to. Yeah, well, I think that's that's 220 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:00,719 Speaker 1: the part where you're trying to make like the subconscious 221 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:02,839 Speaker 1: like part of your consciousness. And then you're like, wait, 222 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 1: it's better when this is just on autopilot exactly. I 223 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 1: don't need to actually look into how that's happening. Right. 224 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 1: The the the one actually important thing about the flow 225 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 1: state is like back to that musical comparison piece, is 226 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: that the whole reason is like it has to be 227 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 1: a challenge, right, So there are some people have actually researched, 228 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:23,960 Speaker 1: I think it's Swedish researchers found that it has to 229 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 1: be like something like four percent sort of above your 230 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:30,959 Speaker 1: skill range. So it's not quite enough to frustrate you 231 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:34,199 Speaker 1: while you engage in it, but just enough that you're like, wait, 232 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:37,319 Speaker 1: I'm actually I'm able to do this, and it's something 233 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:40,439 Speaker 1: is you know, giving me a little bit of a challenge. 234 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 1: And that's kind of the sweet spot that people always 235 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 1: look for, is like it can't be autopilot, but just 236 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 1: a little bit of a challenge. That way, it really 237 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:51,199 Speaker 1: brings out this feeling of achievement and purpose and what 238 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:54,679 Speaker 1: you're doing right. Uh yeah, chicks at me. Hi said that, 239 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 1: like if you're too good, then you you know, despite 240 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:02,320 Speaker 1: the fact that you were succeeding at the goal over 241 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 1: and over again. Like the thing that it made me 242 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 1: think of is like Michael Jordan's you know retiring right, well, 243 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 1: I think it's one of those things too, because it 244 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:15,079 Speaker 1: adds to your state of well being. I think from 245 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:18,200 Speaker 1: Michael Jordan's he has to be winning and competing or 246 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 1: else it sort of he he loses that sense of 247 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 1: am I even alive? Right? And like tennis players like 248 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 1: they have to be going on someone that they're evenly 249 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:32,679 Speaker 1: matched against or else. It's like you, if they're playing me, 250 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 1: I won't bring Like if Andre Agassi is playing me, 251 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:40,680 Speaker 1: I will bring Yeah, he will definitely lose. Uh. I 252 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:43,559 Speaker 1: could beat Andre Agassie with a frying pan, but he 253 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 1: wouldn't be challenged by me, so he would like not 254 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:49,319 Speaker 1: need to get into the zone basically, right, Well, I 255 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 1: guess yeah, because it would be autopilot at that point. 256 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 1: He might as well be playing like a tennis ball machine. Right. 257 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 1: That's got a week fourhand. They do call me the machine, 258 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 1: the machine tennis court weekfoehand. I'm actually gonna come back 259 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:04,560 Speaker 1: up to the front seat. I'm just full disclosure for 260 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 1: the for the listeners when you hear this, that's okay. 261 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 1: I'm just out here. Why are you good to see 262 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 1: you shaking hands or kissing babies? I love your jacket, 263 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:17,319 Speaker 1: it's great. And the gold embellishments on your jacket as well. 264 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, jacket. That is a wonderful jacket. I 265 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 1: see we do a little audio participation, you know. Yeah, yeah. 266 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 1: I got an eye for style. You know, it's not 267 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 1: just about clearly. I have an eye for style because 268 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 1: I'm going to see X thirty. Yes, But back to 269 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 1: the flow states. I think with flow states, it's interesting 270 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 1: to sort of dissect or kind of talk about how 271 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 1: it differs from person to person, because I think right now, 272 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 1: a lot of examples are like, well, I'm not Michael 273 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 1: Jordan's I'm not I might not be a chamber musician 274 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 1: or an artist necessarily, And like looking at different people's 275 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 1: flow states is also really interesting because I think it's 276 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 1: just in general, right, it's it's good to identify that 277 00:14:56,680 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 1: for yourself because everyone has some kind of activity where 278 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 1: that does happen, and you probably didn't realize what it was. 279 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 1: You just sort of like, oh, I really like to 280 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 1: do like to drive, or like to play video games 281 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 1: or things like that, chicks. I mean how it talks 282 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 1: about how you can actually uh like do this with 283 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 1: everyday activities if you like give yourselves, if you give 284 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 1: yourself the right constraints, make getting to work like your 285 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 1: drive to work and like beating your record forgetting to 286 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 1: work in a safe uh. But it's like at a 287 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 1: breaknext like you can, uh, you can make that into 288 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 1: a flow activity, right, And so he was even looking 289 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 1: at people who you know, people who seemingly I guess 290 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 1: on paper you would say this person is in there 291 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 1: like sixties, they work a factory quality control job, but 292 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 1: they were off the charts with like happiness and fulfillment, 293 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 1: and he would look at people like them and be like, Okay, 294 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 1: what's the secret here? And in talking to this one 295 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 1: guy who I think would quite literally as cans came 296 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 1: down like a line at a factory, would just sort 297 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 1: of tap on the tops to be to understand like, okay, 298 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 1: what's inside or there's too much air, there's not enough whatever. Yeah, 299 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 1: that even by checking through like sort of using this 300 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 1: method of tapping on top of the cans, his day 301 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 1: melted by here, like I don't even feel like I 302 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 1: go to work because it's like coming at a speed 303 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 1: that is relying on a very developed skill to sort 304 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 1: of give him meaning purpose and again gives you that 305 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 1: you were saying like core mc McCarthy has. I mean, 306 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's necessarily a flow state, but 307 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 1: it's definitely some kind of state involving his creativity. Yeah. 308 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 1: I always find it interesting to like look at people 309 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 1: who are really good at what they do and like 310 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 1: how like what their method is, or like how it 311 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 1: feels to them when they're in the in the flow state. 312 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 1: And Cormac McCarthy, when he was writing The Road said 313 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 1: it was basically dictated to him by a voice in 314 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 1: his head, and he was just like typing to like 315 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 1: keep voice. Wait, so it wasn't even so it wasn't 316 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 1: like thinking. He was like, you know, like in the 317 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 1: old I guess Greek like sort of idea of the genius, 318 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 1: like being it did by a genius. Yeah, because I 319 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 1: think that's how they used to actually define it, right. 320 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:06,639 Speaker 1: It wasn't that you had or you had a genius 321 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:09,880 Speaker 1: or now people became geniuses at first you were visited 322 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 1: by this sort of genius or like inspiration. Yeah, he 323 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:16,119 Speaker 1: or is that how he is? That how he explains 324 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:18,639 Speaker 1: as like grammar when he writes, he's like, oh man, 325 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 1: it's because this voice is talking to me. I'm just 326 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:22,400 Speaker 1: getting the word. I can't keep up. Look, it doesn't capitalize, 327 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 1: it doesn't punctuate. That's why it doesn't put punctuation on anything, 328 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:29,479 Speaker 1: doesn't use commas or a quotation work. Um. Yeah. He 329 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 1: also wrote a really interesting essay recently that kind of 330 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:36,120 Speaker 1: ties into this U called the cucul A problem. That's 331 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:39,679 Speaker 1: about the guy who figured out the He like won 332 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 1: the Nobel Prize for figuring out the structure of the 333 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 1: benzine molecule. And the way he did it was he 334 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:52,159 Speaker 1: was having a nap like by by a fire and 335 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 1: started dreaming about a snake eating its own tail. And 336 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 1: then he woke up and was like, ah, that's it. 337 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 1: It's like an oral boros is the structure of the thing. 338 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 1: So like his mind basically like melted into like having 339 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 1: access to like he couldn't put it into words, but 340 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:14,920 Speaker 1: it needed like his mind like basically went to this 341 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:20,439 Speaker 1: visual place. Whoa. But the person who I most like 342 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 1: to think of the zone for is have you ever 343 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 1: seen that guy folding the pizza boxes really fast? No, 344 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 1: you haven't seen that the guy who's maybe I've seen 345 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:33,159 Speaker 1: a gift of it. Yeah. Wait, it was just like 346 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 1: taking cardboard pizza boxes and just going through him wildly. 347 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:39,200 Speaker 1: He like turns it into one motion. For me, it 348 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:41,680 Speaker 1: would be seventeen motions, like it would take me forever. 349 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 1: But don't you have to like fold like five sides. 350 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 1: He's like folding it as he's throwing it forwards and 351 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:50,680 Speaker 1: then like bending it. It's really incredible. Is this something 352 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:56,679 Speaker 1: you saw at Macamenco's Pizza Macamenco's shout out shout out 353 00:18:56,680 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 1: to Macamacos. Wait wait, wait, this is just a video. 354 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:03,640 Speaker 1: They've seen the video though, But I do love videos 355 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:07,879 Speaker 1: of people who are like really into who are just 356 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 1: like way too good at everyday path Yeah, like or 357 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:12,919 Speaker 1: you see people just like even chefs, like like breaking 358 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:17,199 Speaker 1: down a pineapple in like three seconds, Like I mean exactly, 359 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: I think that's sort of what people like. That's exactly 360 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 1: the kind of zone you're in because at a certain level, 361 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:24,640 Speaker 1: even what if it's pizza boxers are wielding a knife 362 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 1: with a pineapple, Like, you need to have the skill 363 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:30,439 Speaker 1: to do that or else you can completely get taken 364 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 1: out of it or even hurt yourself. As I've learned, 365 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:38,200 Speaker 1: gets really into loading dishwashers like that that gets him 366 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 1: in his flow state. Really Yeah, what's the challenge there? 367 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 1: Just like get doing it fast, doing it like efficiently 368 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:48,199 Speaker 1: putting everything in the right spot. Yeah what what what 369 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:53,160 Speaker 1: kind of flow states you rock with? Oh, Miles, so 370 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 1: oh boy. One of the things, even though I'm not 371 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 1: a gamer, one of the reasons that I'm not a 372 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 1: gamer is because I've had video game playing experiences where 373 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:06,680 Speaker 1: my time just like melted away like completely, I had 374 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:10,920 Speaker 1: like no access to what I was doing right four hours. Yeah, 375 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:17,680 Speaker 1: while playing Angry Birds. I know, Yeah, Angry Birds really 376 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:19,680 Speaker 1: got me. Man, You're like, man, it's that one. It's 377 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 1: like it's so big. I don't know how to get 378 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:25,359 Speaker 1: around that, boss pig. What about you? I have a 379 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:27,200 Speaker 1: few different ones. I guess we'll let's we'll go back, 380 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 1: we'll trade. I think in line with that, video games 381 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 1: is definitely something that gets me in a state where 382 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 1: time melts away. And I think that's a lot of 383 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 1: the reasons why gaming is pretty big, because I think 384 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 1: most people will describe it as an activity that you're 385 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:45,119 Speaker 1: engaged and requires a little bit of skill, unless just 386 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:47,479 Speaker 1: you know, poning people online. I don't know if you're 387 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 1: playing a bunch of newbs, but like you know, it 388 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 1: requires a little bit of skill. It gives you instant 389 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:54,719 Speaker 1: feedback because you can see exactly what you're doing on 390 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 1: the screen. Uh, And it gives me a sense of purpose. 391 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:03,920 Speaker 1: I can't It's really like one of those things where 392 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 1: I can look down and like I have wasted. We're 393 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 1: not wasted, but like I'll look down and I'm like, Okay, 394 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 1: three and a half hours have passed and I need 395 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 1: to get up and do things. But it's it's very enjoyable. 396 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:18,680 Speaker 1: I think another thing for me actually is like driving, 397 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 1: um in like new cities or places where I'm not 398 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:25,120 Speaker 1: as familiar with the roads. Uh. I mean, I think 399 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 1: being in l A, like we drive very It's like 400 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 1: we are on autopilot for the most part because we 401 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 1: have our predefined roots to get from point A to 402 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 1: point B. We know all the roads. Um and also 403 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 1: with traffic, you're not driving very quickly. But when I 404 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 1: find myself driving in other places, like I'm so just fascinated, engaged, 405 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:47,160 Speaker 1: and then like just I don't know that I treat 406 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:50,639 Speaker 1: it like a more of a like a task or something, 407 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 1: and I'm like, yeah, exactly, and I think that's what's 408 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 1: That's something that also you know, although I will say 409 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:00,479 Speaker 1: that you and my other friend who grew up in 410 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 1: Los Angeles like really come alive, like when you're in 411 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 1: the car in l A just like figuring out the 412 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:09,359 Speaker 1: best way to go, like because you guys know, like 413 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:11,639 Speaker 1: you have the whole map of the city basically in 414 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:14,920 Speaker 1: your mind. So it's they actually say that like one 415 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:18,639 Speaker 1: of the most developed brains are cab drivers in London 416 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:23,239 Speaker 1: because because they just know like an entire city and 417 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:25,160 Speaker 1: like all the different think part of the test though 418 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:27,440 Speaker 1: Also it is like that you have to know almost 419 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:30,159 Speaker 1: without maps, the entire city, and I think that's in 420 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:32,639 Speaker 1: you know, that's a skill that we're losing as people. 421 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, No, I do wonder how how much 422 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:38,400 Speaker 1: like the fact that people are now relying on ways 423 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 1: instead of like really engaging with, you know, the grid 424 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 1: of their city and like the act of getting where 425 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 1: they need to go is affecting you know, that might 426 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 1: have something to do with like rising because like accident 427 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 1: rates went way down and then they started going back 428 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:58,640 Speaker 1: up again, and especially when it comes to uh two pedestrians. Well, 429 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:02,400 Speaker 1: I think also too it's because is you're you're when 430 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 1: you engage your mind like that, it is like a 431 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 1: muscle so in a way, not that it could atrophy 432 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:09,479 Speaker 1: or whatever, but you you aren't. You aren't keeping your 433 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 1: tools as sharp as they can be. And I think 434 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:13,959 Speaker 1: that's a really important thing to to think about. Um. 435 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 1: Another really big one for me and I realized I'm 436 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 1: not actually doing it enough and could be leading to 437 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 1: my sense of not feeling as alive as it could be. 438 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 1: Is actually like playing and making music. I used to 439 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:30,160 Speaker 1: do that a lot, like almost in college every day. 440 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,719 Speaker 1: I was like, uh, like a producer who was not 441 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,400 Speaker 1: making any money. But I could sit on my computer, 442 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,160 Speaker 1: I could bring in samples, I could play keyboard, bass 443 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:43,360 Speaker 1: or whatever, and it would instantly, instantly, I could I'm 444 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 1: not even joking, Like eight hours could pass and I 445 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 1: would have this, Like you start vibing with your own 446 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:52,199 Speaker 1: work or whatever, you have that instant feedback, it'll be 447 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,240 Speaker 1: The skill involved is sort of trying to figure out 448 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 1: what kind of chords you want to use, what kind 449 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 1: of rhythms you want to use, and things like that, 450 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:01,159 Speaker 1: and that is such a such a beneficial activity, and 451 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 1: I think it's really important. I think for anyone listening 452 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,120 Speaker 1: to is like realizing like what those things are for you, 453 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:07,879 Speaker 1: because it could be as simple as like, you know, 454 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,399 Speaker 1: they had truck drivers who were in in one of 455 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,119 Speaker 1: his books too, were just saying, like, purely doing that 456 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,719 Speaker 1: on the road, knowing I have to be careful to 457 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:17,879 Speaker 1: get this thing safely from point to point B is 458 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,719 Speaker 1: super engaging and the time goes by. I think it's 459 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 1: really important that like everybody tries to figure out what that, 460 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 1: what that is for them, what that means to them. Yeah, 461 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:28,159 Speaker 1: that was actually one of the really cool things about 462 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 1: this experiences. Mazda gave us like a half hour to 463 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 1: talk to one of their engineers, and they're talking about 464 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,920 Speaker 1: how they engineer the car, like including up to like 465 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 1: the split second, like which wheel is moving faster, which 466 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:47,639 Speaker 1: wheel is getting the MP to vectoring yeah, uh, to 467 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 1: specifically like feel as opposed to you know, being right 468 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 1: on the on the nose like of whatever, like the 469 00:24:55,960 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 1: scientific balance would be, they actually engineer it to what 470 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 1: it feels like to the driver. Well, right, because it's 471 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 1: all about I mean, in the abstract, you can crunch 472 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 1: numbers and say mathematically this is the ideal thing, or 473 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,720 Speaker 1: even what you're talking about a flow state that you 474 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:14,399 Speaker 1: can say, well, these are the parameters. But at the 475 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,360 Speaker 1: end of the day, it really is the feeling of it. 476 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:18,680 Speaker 1: And I think that's what's interesting is I think most 477 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:20,359 Speaker 1: car companies be like, Okay, how do we get it 478 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 1: as tight as possible on paper? And that's it. Ship 479 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 1: it off because we figured out mathematically engineering from an 480 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:29,120 Speaker 1: engineering standpoint, this is the best thing. But for them 481 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 1: at MAS and they go, Okay, we know what the 482 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,640 Speaker 1: best thing is on paper, now how do we also 483 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,400 Speaker 1: then find that middle ground? The balance between what's perfect 484 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:40,880 Speaker 1: maybe algorithmically mechanically, and then what's sort of perfect from 485 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 1: an experiential side. And I think that's really kind of dope. 486 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 1: They kind of add a soft science element to the 487 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,440 Speaker 1: hard science of you know, engineering. They're gonna have trouble 488 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 1: getting me out of this car. Actually, I know the 489 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:56,879 Speaker 1: Auto show is happening, but I can't go back to 490 00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,920 Speaker 1: my mams to three in the next and I think 491 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 1: it is super nice. Really does do it for me. 492 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 1: It's also this propriated leather on the back. It feels 493 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,200 Speaker 1: like I'm racing. All right, let's take one more break 494 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 1: and we'll come back and talk about some of the 495 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 1: benefits of flow. And we're back, and are there any 496 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 1: other experiences that put you in a flow state you 497 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:30,679 Speaker 1: want to talk about? I was going to say that 498 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:36,119 Speaker 1: writing we were talking before one of our sales people 499 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 1: works or I used to go to Ocean City, New 500 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 1: Jersey when she was growing up, just like me. Uh, 501 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:47,680 Speaker 1: and that brought me back to uh body surfing. Body 502 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 1: surfing was a thing that just like would I would 503 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 1: go out there and like be there for like five hours. 504 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:57,399 Speaker 1: Just how how many times did you just absolutely lambolish? 505 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,160 Speaker 1: I loved getting like that. That was fun because you're 506 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 1: just like kind of wit. That's some fun getting slammed. Yeah, 507 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 1: I mean because the waves aren't that big, man, I 508 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 1: had the few times I tried body serving places where 509 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 1: it was big nearly just look at my shoulder because 510 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 1: you you get that first arm out and then when 511 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,960 Speaker 1: you get down. A lot of injuries happened on a 512 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:21,439 Speaker 1: beach in Costa Eco once at Actually that happened to 513 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 1: me in Ocean City two years ago when I wasn't terrible. 514 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,680 Speaker 1: It never happened. Okay, full this closure. Two years ago, 515 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:32,439 Speaker 1: I direct myself yanked my arm behind my back. Is 516 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 1: it being in the water you think it's just that's 517 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 1: it's kind of I think it's being in the water. 518 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:40,120 Speaker 1: It's what Chick sent me. How it talks about with 519 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 1: like having the overall goal but then like smaller goals 520 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,919 Speaker 1: in between, right right, right, you know, just being in 521 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 1: there treading water like picking a wave, but right, yeah, 522 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,439 Speaker 1: just overall the experience of it and you kind of 523 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,359 Speaker 1: dissolve into the ocean, you know, be so hilarious as 524 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:03,639 Speaker 1: like like a body surfing mikestape. You it's just but 525 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 1: using go process for like a like a drone and 526 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 1: you're just out there, like, dude, super slow, this guy's 527 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 1: catching a wave. It's almost in the middle of just 528 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 1: cutting it out. Tight ideal soundtrack for a body surfing mixtape. 529 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:26,200 Speaker 1: Oh man, I don't know, maybe flow ride of something 530 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 1: by I don't know actually, uh yeah maybe not um okay. 531 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 1: So when you look at the we talk about flow 532 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 1: a lot and how it's good or whatever, but there 533 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 1: are actual tangible benefits obviously aside from the enjoyment aspect 534 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,240 Speaker 1: a lot of it. It does actually have an effect 535 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 1: on your well being associated with your subjective well being 536 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 1: and sort of you know, when you're able to do 537 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 1: these activities that put you in this state each time 538 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 1: you do it, it just kind of bumps your your 539 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 1: well being or your sense of purpose up just bit 540 00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:59,239 Speaker 1: by bit. Uh And also just generally it adds to 541 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,720 Speaker 1: your like feeling of overall happiness, like when they actually 542 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,240 Speaker 1: talk to people who regularly engage in it or have 543 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 1: identified flow states, like how they feel after it increased 544 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,680 Speaker 1: levels of happiness, or even at your job, right if 545 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 1: you actually end up having a job where what you 546 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:15,960 Speaker 1: do puts you there, Like I know, some of our 547 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 1: listeners like our butchers and things like that, and you 548 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 1: can tell I'm sure you know, processing those things require skill. 549 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 1: You want to do it quickly of instant feedback boom, 550 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 1: and it also leads to just you know, you're more productive. 551 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 1: Shout out to him, what's what's that butcher's name? Travis Travis, 552 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 1: American butcher. When you see him putting work in, like 553 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 1: you definitely can like feel the flow state through the 554 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 1: the screen. Well, I think that's one of the reasons why, 555 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 1: like even what you're talking about that um with that 556 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 1: pizza box thing, when you watch it, you're like, you 557 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 1: can contact contact flow contact flow state basically. Yeah, yeah, 558 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 1: I mean they talk about yoga being like kind of 559 00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 1: being away to almost hack yourself into a flow state 560 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,200 Speaker 1: little bit, because it's like putting you it's making you 561 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:07,360 Speaker 1: mindful of your body in a way that's like sort 562 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 1: of in line with kind of flow state, right, And 563 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people think to like if 564 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:15,440 Speaker 1: you there is something that they refer to as a 565 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,880 Speaker 1: sort of general mindfulness, and that's sort of a step down, 566 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,280 Speaker 1: but at the same time still has those benefits because 567 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 1: you know, being mindful is just adding a level of 568 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 1: awareness or just taking yourself out of autopilots. So even 569 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 1: as something as simple as you're driving, like even being 570 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 1: like okay, what's some how aware can I be as 571 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 1: I do this? Like when am I breaking? When am 572 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:37,400 Speaker 1: I turning the wheel? Um? So mindfulness is like another 573 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,240 Speaker 1: way to at least begin to move in that direction, 574 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 1: I think, just to become familiar with that feeling. Yeah, 575 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:47,320 Speaker 1: with driving, like I jokingly mentioned, getting to work like 576 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,400 Speaker 1: at breakneck speed, but you can also do it like 577 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,280 Speaker 1: one way that I've been able to do it through 578 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:57,960 Speaker 1: driving very slowly and have everyone pop behind you as possible. 579 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 1: See if you can make it take two hours to 580 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,040 Speaker 1: get into work, you know, try and like find ways 581 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:06,560 Speaker 1: to make other people's days like just tiny bit better, 582 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,360 Speaker 1: like by like letting somebody in, you know. I mean 583 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 1: I could talk about that all day. That what you're 584 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,719 Speaker 1: talking about is almost really a realignment of how you're 585 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:16,880 Speaker 1: even engaging day to day because I think a lot 586 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 1: of the times we're always thinking of like, well, what 587 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 1: can what can I get? What can I get? Who's 588 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 1: gonna give me something? And I think when you do 589 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 1: that too, a lot of times you'll find yourself in 590 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:26,960 Speaker 1: situations where maybe the universe is like what can I 591 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 1: get from you? And you're like, oh what versus like 592 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:31,600 Speaker 1: what you're saying you're at You're out here being like 593 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 1: how can I serve? Yeah? How can I add? Yeah? 594 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 1: I mean I think they you know, even well, like 595 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 1: regardless of religious beliefs, like people who have those sort 596 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,200 Speaker 1: of frameworks that they're working within tend to have like 597 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:49,080 Speaker 1: higher levels of overall like well being and just like 598 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,560 Speaker 1: oh yeah, no, I think in general, right, like, I 599 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,280 Speaker 1: think the more you can you know, and as I 600 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 1: as I shift to Miles this philosophical corner, uh, the 601 00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 1: more of like an abundance mentality you have, like you know, 602 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,440 Speaker 1: when you're do we have The theme song for Miles 603 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,280 Speaker 1: is philosophical. Miles is philosophical moments brought to you by 604 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 1: Oprah Um. You know, like those moments right where you're 605 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 1: uh you if you feel that there's more abundance, you're 606 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 1: more you'll be more generous because you see that there 607 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:19,080 Speaker 1: is there's much to give. And I think when you 608 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 1: look at things as being finite or you have a 609 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 1: scarcity mentality, that's when you see people, especially in l 610 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:29,000 Speaker 1: a where they're like never let anybody into a lane, 611 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 1: or like never want to be accommodating. It's because there's 612 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,120 Speaker 1: just like they're operating in a place where well, if 613 00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,080 Speaker 1: I do that, then there's nothing for me, and then 614 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,040 Speaker 1: I'm getting to my you know, and I think that's 615 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,720 Speaker 1: what's I'm just gonna I just want to see how 616 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,400 Speaker 1: far this seat goes back. Sorry, guys, I'm doing an 617 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 1: experiential thing in the car right now. This is new 618 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:47,840 Speaker 1: for me being in the passengers side. This is a 619 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 1: very nice passenger side. But my do you never are 620 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 1: you never passengers? Never? Never wants to drive. I'm always automatic. 621 00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:59,840 Speaker 1: Well this is going back? Wow? Is this legal? All right? 622 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 1: Gonna take a nap? Is that cool? Yo? This is 623 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:06,560 Speaker 1: going so far back? Oh wow? I love this. Yeah, 624 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:08,840 Speaker 1: this is nice. You know what this could now? See 625 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,440 Speaker 1: now I'm ready for therapy. Jack, tell me about your childhood. 626 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:15,440 Speaker 1: Did you ever sit in the front seat as a child. 627 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:17,720 Speaker 1: By the way, listeners, that was the sound of me weeping. 628 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,680 Speaker 1: That wasn't a playful laugh. I don't like where this 629 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:25,600 Speaker 1: is going. Also, this has really great crash radar crash 630 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:30,680 Speaker 1: radius rating, not radius, really great crash radius. You know 631 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,920 Speaker 1: the whole thing, you know, when it's a big car. Guy, 632 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,240 Speaker 1: might be obvious to you. Oh see, this is That's 633 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:40,240 Speaker 1: where I come in because although this has been super cool, 634 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 1: like well, no, I think even to like what the 635 00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 1: engineer were talking about, his background is like rally car driving, 636 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:47,880 Speaker 1: and then to even talk about just sort of how 637 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 1: that philosophy even goes into their cars. Even though you 638 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:54,280 Speaker 1: might not be doing you know, driving rally tracks or 639 00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,920 Speaker 1: courses go you know, blast into Baja. You still those 640 00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,440 Speaker 1: same philosophies are put into just your everyday drive because 641 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:04,560 Speaker 1: those are subtle things that actually add to the overall experience. Um, 642 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:06,760 Speaker 1: and you know, I'm just gonna says, I'm not getting 643 00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:11,759 Speaker 1: out of this car, right, I'm saying this. This is 644 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:15,920 Speaker 1: my serious. I'm not leaving and I wouldn't be a problem. 645 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,880 Speaker 1: Please keep these cameras roll a lot of people, because 646 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:23,360 Speaker 1: I have found, man, seriously, what do you gotta do? 647 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,680 Speaker 1: It pretty good to stay in here? Yeah? You look, 648 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,319 Speaker 1: what are you that basing that off of? What am 649 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,399 Speaker 1: I basing it? Like? What it's like your posture, your 650 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:37,160 Speaker 1: general like if you've adjusted the seat right to like 651 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,759 Speaker 1: where you I feel like you would be sitting. Doy 652 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:44,319 Speaker 1: look confident? You look you look confident and fulfilled. Thank 653 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,800 Speaker 1: you so much on a deep level. I mean, no, 654 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:50,200 Speaker 1: I've I'm feeling like I'm living my best life right now, 655 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:52,720 Speaker 1: and it's not because they are all these cameras around. 656 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:57,520 Speaker 1: Maybe that too. Yes, you've been smiling broadly like a 657 00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 1: cheerleader for the past forty minutes. It's I'm kind of 658 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,839 Speaker 1: impressed that your face hasn't cracked. Well, I'm the self 659 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,600 Speaker 1: proclaimed king of the La Auto Show. Please come by 660 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:12,480 Speaker 1: my throne at any point. Uh yeah. So with that, y'all, 661 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,880 Speaker 1: thanks so much for joining us on this special episode, 662 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,880 Speaker 1: very special episode. And also let us know, like, you know, 663 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,000 Speaker 1: what's your flow states are, because I'm always curious, like 664 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,400 Speaker 1: the people have so many different ones. My mom's is 665 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:28,520 Speaker 1: just literally trimming cactuses in her backyard. So you're gonna 666 00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,720 Speaker 1: say feeding possums. No, no, Well, I think feeding possums 667 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,239 Speaker 1: is her passion, but she doesn't achieve a flow state. 668 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:36,440 Speaker 1: That's just sort of out of her overall ethos as 669 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,760 Speaker 1: a human being. She has to project weird stories onto 670 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,839 Speaker 1: possums as to why they need to be helped. Um, 671 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,000 Speaker 1: they're always single mothers, just so you know. Actually, one 672 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,880 Speaker 1: question I had it is watching movies that can't be 673 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:51,040 Speaker 1: a flow state, right, because like I'm not it's completely passive. 674 00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:54,160 Speaker 1: It is very passive. But I think it's if it 675 00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,359 Speaker 1: makes you more mindful. That's one thing makes time melts way. 676 00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,680 Speaker 1: And I also have like a weird connection where like 677 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,520 Speaker 1: I remember where I saw every movie that I saw 678 00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:04,359 Speaker 1: in theater, Like, did you keep used to keep all 679 00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,200 Speaker 1: your movie ticket stubs? I never did that. I used 680 00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:09,279 Speaker 1: to have a kid, I collect them, and then I 681 00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,600 Speaker 1: lost them all. I used to really think it was 682 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:13,520 Speaker 1: the coolest thing for to me, Like, look at on 683 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:18,839 Speaker 1: my movie ticket stubs. I saw three ninjas without my mom, right, 684 00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:24,840 Speaker 1: just pieces of three ninjas. Take I saw a bunch 685 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:30,040 Speaker 1: um all right, Well, shout out to you guys for 686 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,640 Speaker 1: listen to this, and yeah, lets let us know about 687 00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,920 Speaker 1: your flow states. Yeah, you know, shout out to mom. Yeah, Masa, 688 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:38,680 Speaker 1: thank you so much for having us again. You know, 689 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:40,360 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it was the alignment 690 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,520 Speaker 1: of two great brands. You know, obviously I heart but 691 00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:47,120 Speaker 1: the Daily Ze more importantly and most importantly, And I 692 00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:50,759 Speaker 1: think you look. Eventually, I feel like they maybe we'll 693 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:55,600 Speaker 1: have our own custom car. Yeah mobile, could you imagine 694 00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,360 Speaker 1: what's happening? With like footnotes just on the side and 695 00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:02,960 Speaker 1: racing stripes. We saw those bootleg headphones that have the 696 00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:06,440 Speaker 1: Zeke Guy's logo on on Amazon. On Amazon, somebody's bootleg 697 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,160 Speaker 1: and our logo, so maybe we can we should be 698 00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:11,719 Speaker 1: I know, but we should Google see if anybody has 699 00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:13,759 Speaker 1: made the Zeit mobile. I'm gonna talk to Dino after 700 00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,040 Speaker 1: this at Maza. I'm gonna say, look, man, we need 701 00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,120 Speaker 1: the racing car. We need the daily Zis car. I 702 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:19,960 Speaker 1: want to mop to the streets about a so people already, 703 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:21,759 Speaker 1: you know, I wanted I want them to hear us 704 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:25,000 Speaker 1: coming down the street, and what would you mind requesting 705 00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:29,080 Speaker 1: that we have like a air brushed portrait of ourselves 706 00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:33,480 Speaker 1: on our heads, on babies bodies, Like yeah, trubic. Wow 707 00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:37,000 Speaker 1: wait that's the version, is what? No, that's not that's 708 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,239 Speaker 1: not something that I have on my hard dread because 709 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,759 Speaker 1: you're just doing all these iterations of yourself as a chair. 710 00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:46,520 Speaker 1: Ever like, yes, that's your secret flow stage, trying to 711 00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:48,520 Speaker 1: us up as the chair. All right, we'll follow us 712 00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,840 Speaker 1: on Twitter and Instagram and all that. You know what 713 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:55,279 Speaker 1: it is, uh, and thanks so much for listening. We'll 714 00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:56,120 Speaker 1: talk to you soon.