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Speaker 1: School of Humans.

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Speaker 2: On January twenty third, twenty twenty three, just six days

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Speaker 2: after William Vick was found dead on his bedroom floor

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Speaker 2: in Clarksville, Arkansas, police did a welfare check on his wife,

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Speaker 2: Lorenda's mother, seventy two year old Martha MacLean. Martha lived

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Speaker 2: in a detached house on the same property with William

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Speaker 2: including leriiza, PAM, and morphine around her. Martha had overdosed

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Speaker 2: and was close to death, but paramedics administered narcan, a

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Speaker 2: drug that blocks opioids and can be used in the

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Speaker 2: case of overdose. They administered that drug three times, so

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Speaker 2: Martha's breathing improved and she survived. Matt Foster with the

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Speaker 2: Arkansas State Police wrote in his report that when he

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Speaker 2: found Martha, she had a pen and a partially handwritten note,

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Speaker 2: and after he found her, he executed a search warrant

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Speaker 1: That's when law enforcement found a second.

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Speaker 2: Hand written note, and in that note, Martha confessed to

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Speaker 2: tampering with her son in law William's medication and to

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Speaker 2: killing him. But why why did Martha kill William and

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Speaker 2: what really happened to her.

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Speaker 2: Helen go on murder Line. After Martha McLean overdosed, she

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Speaker 2: was stabilized at Johnson County Hospital, where she remained for

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Speaker 2: the next two weeks.

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Speaker 1: Shortly after that, the prosecutor, Jeff.

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Speaker 2: Phillips told William's family that he was getting ready to

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Speaker 2: file murder charges against Martha. I've seen the affidavit for

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Speaker 2: the warrant that was typed up. All the facts are there,

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Speaker 2: but in the version I saw, it's not yet signed

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Speaker 2: or dated. According to the affidavit, Martha was going to

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Speaker 2: be charged with capital murder. So we asked last week,

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Speaker 2: how exactly did Martha gain access to William's medicine and

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Speaker 2: with it and then give it back to Laurinda. What

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Speaker 2: was the exact sequence of events there? In the note

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Speaker 2: she allegedly wrote, Martha said she had altered William's medication,

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Speaker 2: him with a drug that would cause paralysis. We know

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Speaker 2: that William and Martha did not like each other. In fact,

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Speaker 2: William's son will said that Martha hated his father. William's

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Speaker 3: Confirmed that Martha supposedly hated Willie and had to kill

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Speaker 3: him in the past. And you know, Lorenda's even posted

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Speaker 3: away from her, give it at William Lorenda's house. It's

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Speaker 3: all just unremarkably bizarre that it's too far fetched.

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Speaker 2: So again we wondered if Martha gave him an injection.

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Speaker 2: Is that something that could have been a realistic possibility,

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Speaker 2: Is that something William would ever have allowed. Ted told

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Speaker 3: I guess she went and got hit them up, came

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Speaker 3: But she had already gave them away. He had already

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Speaker 2: Apparently Lorenda's mother, Martha, had a lot of health problems.

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Speaker 2: Lrenda said that Martha had throat cancer and was on

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Speaker 4: That's never been confirmed that her mom was ever on hospice,

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Speaker 4: Willie didn't know that. Nobody knew that my mom was sick.

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Speaker 4: So she's like, so I whenever Willie decided he didn't

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Speaker 2: Lareenda said, since William didn't want to take the steroids,

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Speaker 3: And then sometime in the middle of the night. This

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Speaker 3: So supposedly she left the drugs on the porch. Lorenda

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Speaker 3: That is a drug that they use in an er room.

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Speaker 2: William's family was bothered by Lorenda's actions right out after

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Speaker 3: Not only was that, but Lareinda didn't call any family,

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Speaker 2: After receiving the shocking news that William was dead, his

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Speaker 3: The first thing that goes through our minds is, you know,

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Speaker 2: Ted told us up front he hadn't talked to his

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Speaker 2: So it wasn't until later that Ted learned that William's

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Speaker 1: Obviously, as we.

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Speaker 3: Well, things weren't adding up, and then all of a sudden,

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Speaker 3: You know, I don't know who's going to go get

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Speaker 3: stay quarantined for a bit. And during that phone call,

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Speaker 3: didn't supposedly even know that. Supposedly her mother was on

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Speaker 3: She just mealed around the house. Supposedly ended up going

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Speaker 3: didn't check on until about eleven thirty that night, twelve

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Speaker 3: fifteen hours later, probably.

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Speaker 2: When Loreinda went to check on William at around eleven PM,

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Speaker 2: and then as we discussed, she called the corner. Something

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Speaker 2: William was found was upstairs and it was an open loft.

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Speaker 2: Ted believed that it would have been difficult for Lrenda

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Speaker 3: His house was very small, and his bedroom was not

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Speaker 3: Well, it got to the point where Jeff Phillips calls us.

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Speaker 3: Once he wrote up his affidavit, he released her to Larinda.

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Speaker 2: Because William's family felt the legal system wasn't making progress

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Speaker 1: They started following the money.

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Speaker 2: As I often say in my other podcast, Red Collar,

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Speaker 2: that series of events. On September nineteenth, twenty twenty, William

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Speaker 1: And that's exactly what happened.

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Speaker 1: It's not clear what's going to happen to that money.

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Speaker 2: They were very suspicious of those life insurance beneficiary changes.

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Speaker 2: William and Lareinda obtained a quick claim deed from.

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Speaker 2: This meant basically that their father transferred the title to

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Speaker 2: Ted filed a lawsuit against Laurinda for fraud. In the

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Speaker 2: on September twenty ninth, twenty twenty three, nine months after

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Speaker 2: William Vick was found dead on the bedroom floor, police

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Speaker 1: This time it was a house fire.

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Speaker 2: Before the case made it to court, William and Lorenda's

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Speaker 2: house burned to the ground. I'm Catherine Townsend. This is

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Speaker 2: Helen Gone Murder Line. Helen Gone Murder Line is a

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Speaker 2: production of School of Humans and iHeart Podcasts. It's written

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Speaker 2: and narrated by me Catherine Townsend and produced by Gabby Watts.

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Speaker 2: Special thanks to Amy Tubbs for her research assistance. Noah

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