1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome everybody. It is the Tuesday edition 3 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:12,320 Speaker 1: of Clay and Buck, and the fourth indictment came down. 4 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 1: Let's just jump into it right away. Clay is in 5 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 1: transit to one of his book tour stops today. He 6 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:22,759 Speaker 1: will join us for a segment here in just a 7 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:25,320 Speaker 1: little bit the bottom of this hour to weigh in 8 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 1: on this indictment. We've also got Andy McCarthy in the 9 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 1: mix on just what we can take so far from 10 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 1: the massive and I might say massive, I just mean 11 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:40,200 Speaker 1: in terms of how long it is, how many counts 12 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 1: there are. It is, the count of countless counts. It 13 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:47,919 Speaker 1: just keeps going on and on and on. You have 14 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 1: a large number of individuals in the indictment, most notably 15 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 1: Donald Trump, but also and I had a feeling this 16 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 1: was the case, and we did our show yesterday before 17 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 1: this indictment it was formally formally published. Remember it was 18 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 1: pre published apparently before the grand jury given vote on 19 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 1: That's kind of a weird thing, isn't it. Usually you 20 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: wait until afterwards, right, But it's almost like the whole 21 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 1: grand jury thing was just a formality anyway, and they 22 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 1: knew that based on what the system was expected to do, 23 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 1: that it would act in this way, that would operate 24 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:30,680 Speaker 1: in this way. So we sure enough the charges that 25 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: came down that were initially published turned out to be 26 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 1: the charges that have now been put forward against Donald Trump. 27 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 1: The allegations are now official in this indictment. And I 28 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:44,639 Speaker 1: said there'd be other people that had touched as well, 29 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 1: or it's going after as well. Rudy Giuliani, Mark Meadows, 30 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 1: John Eastman, Jeff Clark, Mike Roman. There's a whole bunch 31 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 1: of people who have been indicted in this. There's a 32 00:01:56,920 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 1: lot of folks who all are caught up in this. 33 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 1: Donald Trump and eighteen other individuals came down late last 34 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 1: night the top count, and we're gonna today. We're gonna 35 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:13,359 Speaker 1: spend a lot of time on this. There's some other 36 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:17,079 Speaker 1: stories I want to get to as well, but there's 37 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 1: a lot that's here. The top count is racketeering or 38 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 1: a rico charge, so that I also thought was going 39 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: to be a part of this, and that is the 40 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: umbrella charge, if you will. That's to get at this 41 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 1: as a multifacited conspiracy. There are so many steps that 42 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 1: the prosecution. Here, Fanny Willis lays out that it's ninety 43 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 1: eight pages. The indictment is ninety eight pages long. I 44 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: read it this morning, and I don't want to get 45 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 1: into all of it's a lot of it's a lot 46 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 1: of forgery charges. Trying to hear. I'll give you a 47 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 1: I'll give you a few. Here we go. False statements 48 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 1: and writings. They repeat that many many times. Solicitation of 49 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 1: violation of oath by public officer, false statements and writings 50 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 1: impersonating a public officer. Conspiracy to commit in person to 51 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 1: public officer. Oh boy, a lot of that. Conspiracy to 52 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 1: commit forgery. So every charge also has more or less 53 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:20,640 Speaker 1: a conspiracy charge attached to it as well. So if 54 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 1: there was a forgery that they claim was committed, it's 55 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 1: also conspiracy to commit the forgery. False statements and writings, 56 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 1: false statements and writings, YadA, YadA, et cetera, et cetera, 57 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 1: et cetera. It just goes on and on and on. 58 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: Violation of the Georgia Rico Racketeer, Influence and Corrupt Organization 59 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 1: Act is the top count. Here is the Trump indictment. 60 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 1: The person pushing this, Fanny Willis here. She is announcing it. 61 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 1: I want you to hear this, and we're going to 62 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 1: break more of this down. I have I think a 63 00:03:56,640 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 1: pretty important not just argument, but point of necessary context 64 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 1: for all this we're about to dive into. But you 65 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 1: should hear. Here's the prosecutor, as we said in Atlanta, 66 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 1: Indictment number four, play number one. 67 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 2: Every individual charge in the indictment is charged with one 68 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 2: count of violating Georgia's Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act 69 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:29,920 Speaker 2: through participation in a criminal enterprise in Fulton County, Georgia 70 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:34,280 Speaker 2: and elsewhere to accomplish the illegal. 71 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:39,719 Speaker 1: Goal of allowing Donald J. Trump to seize. 72 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 2: The presidential term of office beginning on January twentieth twenty one. Specifically, 73 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 2: the participants in association took various actions in Georgia and 74 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 2: elsewhere to block the county of the votes of the 75 00:04:55,560 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 2: presidential electors who were certified as the winners of Georgia's 76 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 2: twenty twenty general election. 77 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: All right, now, first off, the fourth indictment here, just 78 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: the fact that it's the fourth one tells you a 79 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 1: lot about what's going on. You've heard many people saying, 80 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 1: including Clay and me, about the weaponization of the DOJ 81 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:24,159 Speaker 1: for politics. That is now clear. We now live in 82 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: a country where if you run for higher office and 83 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:32,159 Speaker 1: the Democrats decide that you're too much of a threat, 84 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:36,040 Speaker 1: they will use the criminal justice system. They will abuse 85 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 1: the criminal justice system to take you off the chessboard. 86 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 1: They don't want to have to beat you at the 87 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:48,160 Speaker 1: ballot box. They would prefer as we see the usage 88 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 1: of the law as a weapon of politics, this is 89 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:53,359 Speaker 1: one of the most dangerous things for a country that 90 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 1: has elections. This is one of the things that can 91 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 1: most rapidly create dissent into full blown tyranny. Honestly, I 92 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 1: know that sounds like a lot. I know, but look 93 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 1: at all the totalitarian impulses of the Democrats as a 94 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 1: matter of policy and certainly as a matter of criminal justice. 95 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 1: They have no compunction about this. There's no part of 96 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:25,280 Speaker 1: them that feels like maybe we're doing something here that 97 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:30,279 Speaker 1: has really long term and disastrous ramifications for the country. 98 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 1: You know, are there arguments that Trump's team made that 99 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:36,600 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not a lawyer, but I certainly would 100 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:37,160 Speaker 1: have never made. 101 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. 102 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: Absolutely, is it illegal? Is it criminal? No? No, They're 103 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 1: criminalizing legal procedure and legal advice as much as they 104 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 1: may think it's a bizarre legal theory. And more to 105 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 1: the point, this should be treated as a political question. 106 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 1: Do the American people, given all all the facts, given 107 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 1: all that we know, and that includes Russia collusion, and 108 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: that includes all the underhanded efforts to undo the twenty 109 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 1: sixteen election That always gets left out of these conversations 110 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 1: with Democrats about January sixth, about Russia collusion, the Special Council. 111 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 1: Two impeachments. The first one we know is an utter farce. 112 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 1: The first one was actually just a straight up lie. 113 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 1: Had to do with the It was a perfectly fine 114 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 1: phone call. Hunter was selling influence to his dad. He 115 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 1: was doing it in Ukraine's Zelenski was talking to Trump. 116 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 1: Trump is the chief executive of the United States government. 117 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 1: Guess what, Hunter Biden wasn't supposed to have global immunity, 118 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 1: but he got it. His daddy became president. And this 119 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 1: is what I think, really it all comes down to. 120 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 1: Right now, we're gonna have to talk about the jeopardy 121 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 1: involved here. Anyone who tells you, because they they're telling 122 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 1: people right now a lot of what they want to hear. 123 00:07:56,680 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 1: Anyone who tells you this isn't going to be all 124 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 1: four of the indictments enormously challenging for Trump in the 125 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 1: election year, And that this isn't election interference, and that 126 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 1: this is intended to do anything other than, at a minimum, 127 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 1: make it impossible for Trump to run the campaign that 128 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 1: he would otherwise run is just delusional at this point, right. 129 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 1: There's another layer to this, though, and we have to 130 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 1: look at this honestly. And you know, I'm gonna tell 131 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: you I had some people even after when I said 132 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:33,079 Speaker 1: the first indictment was coming and then the second indictment 133 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 1: said why are you talking about this? They were upset. 134 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:38,199 Speaker 1: Why are you talking? Because this is what the enemy's doing. 135 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 1: You know, what can you say about this other than 136 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 1: this is the reality of what is coming against us. 137 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 1: If I'm saying, hey, guys, the enemies line up artillery pieces, 138 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 1: we better get down in the fox hole now because 139 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 1: we got incoming. What is the person who runs alongside 140 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: me and says, don't get into trench. You don't even 141 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 1: know if the artillery is coming, whor are you none 142 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:04,200 Speaker 1: of that? We have to live in reality here. This 143 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:08,959 Speaker 1: is a multi pronged effort to subvert the twenty twenty 144 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 1: four election to destroy Donald Trump, to destroy the MAGA movement. 145 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 1: And even if you despise Trump, and there are Republicans 146 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:21,680 Speaker 1: who do, you have to see the standard and the 147 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:24,680 Speaker 1: president and the reality of what is going on here, 148 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 1: even if you're a desantist person of a vague person, 149 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 1: and Nikki Haley, Tim Scott, Mike Pence, everybody on the 150 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 1: right who is technically running for president, and there are 151 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:39,200 Speaker 1: people that are supporting all of those candidates, and in 152 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 1: some cas there's a lot of people supporting them. I 153 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: would think they could recognize that this legal effort against 154 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:50,080 Speaker 1: Trump is an abuse, that this is also showing us 155 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 1: there's a fundamental difference between the way the Democrat Party 156 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:59,439 Speaker 1: approaches power and Republicans. Republicans on our side, we have 157 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 1: the people who saying, first of all, don't talk about 158 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 1: the mean things they're gonna do. I don't want to 159 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 1: hear about it. Okay, we're an indictment number four. So 160 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 1: I'm glad everyone. You know how many times wilt it say, oh, 161 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 1: it turns out there wasn't gonna be an indictment. No, 162 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 1: every time Clay and I have sat here and said 163 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 1: to you, guys, I think this indictment's coming any day. Now, 164 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 1: let's get ready for it. Let's talk about it, let's 165 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 1: analyze it. It has been the case. Okay, we'll have 166 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 1: Clay with this in a few minutes. He's three for 167 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 1: three in the last few indictments with being out for 168 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 1: the day. We'll talk about that. It's just what are 169 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 1: the odds, what are the chances of that? But he'll 170 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 1: be with us to weigh in on this from a 171 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 1: from a legal perspective, shortly, but with all of what 172 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 1: we see going on, this is now actually about more 173 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 1: than Trump, no matter what somebody thinks about Trump, because 174 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 1: it's clearly election interference. It's clearly the magnification of charges. 175 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: I mean, just look at New York City. It's the exaggeration. 176 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 1: It is the politicization of our Justice department to destroy 177 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 1: somebody they don't like. Who is the individually or who's 178 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:12,439 Speaker 1: going to be able to stand around and say, I'm 179 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:15,679 Speaker 1: I'm the victim of a crime perpetrated by Donald Trump. Oh, 180 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 1: it's all conspiracy. The only victim they claim really is 181 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 1: the United States government or the state of New York 182 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 1: or the state of Georgia. There's something going on here, 183 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 1: and I think you need to hear this, because I 184 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:38,479 Speaker 1: never lose sight of this. I was as brass knuckled 185 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:42,440 Speaker 1: in my defense of Trump during Russia collusion as anybody 186 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 1: could be out there, to the point where Trump talked 187 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 1: to me about it was grateful for the points I 188 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:51,559 Speaker 1: was making as somebody who had an understanding way beyond 189 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 1: what basically you know, I don't know ninety nine percent 190 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 1: of the commentators, even on the right, understood when it 191 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 1: came to intelligence work, espionage, the FISA courts, all of that. 192 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 1: He appreciated the defense, but the defense was more than warranted. 193 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 1: It was necessary for Trump, it was necessary for that administration, 194 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:12,719 Speaker 1: and it was what was right for the country at 195 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:15,719 Speaker 1: the time. What is right for the country in this 196 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: moment when Hillary Clinton can go on MSNBC and be 197 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:28,959 Speaker 1: gleeful and giddy about the destruction of a Republican presidential 198 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:33,839 Speaker 1: candidate and former president because her team doesn't like him, 199 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 1: what does it say about where we are? Play clip three, 200 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 1: Madam Secretary, fancy meeting you. Oh, I can't believe this. 201 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, this is not the circumstances in which I expected 202 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 3: to be talking. 203 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 1: To you, nor me. Rachel. 204 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 3: It's always good to talk to you, but honestly, I 205 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 3: didn't think that it would be under these circumstances, yet 206 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 3: another set of indictments. 207 00:12:56,920 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 1: Let me ask you this question. What is the answer 208 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 1: when you come across somebody, and I'm sure you do, 209 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:05,720 Speaker 1: whether it's in your day to day life or you 210 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 1: just see their commentary on TV, you stumble in the morning, 211 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 1: you know you're looking for Fox and Friends, and you 212 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 1: find yourself on Morning Joe for a second, what is 213 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:18,200 Speaker 1: their answer to this question? How do they expect people 214 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:20,719 Speaker 1: who have voted. I voted for Donald Trump twice. I 215 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 1: will vote for Donald Trump again if he is the 216 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 1: Republican nominee, and I think he is likely to be, 217 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 1: although I don't know, I don't know nobody and he 218 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 1: just says they know is wrong. No one can predict 219 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: the future, as I tell you all the time, and 220 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 1: that's obviously true. What is their response to this. We 221 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:39,840 Speaker 1: are supposed to sit here while in his seventy seventh 222 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 1: year of life, a former president is hit with four 223 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 1: criminal indictments. We're supposed to sit here and forget about 224 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:53,079 Speaker 1: the abusifiza the weaponization of the intelligence and law enforcement 225 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:56,440 Speaker 1: community to try to destroy him while he was president 226 00:13:57,440 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 1: and we are to forget that Hillary Clinton clearly violated 227 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:06,320 Speaker 1: the Espionage Act. This is beyond dispute. She did it 228 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 1: many times. She did it willfully, she knew, she didn't care, 229 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 1: She thought she was above the law. Kind of like 230 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 1: Hunter were finding out, is above the law? What do 231 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:17,560 Speaker 1: they say to you when you point out, why is 232 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 1: it that only our side ever has to pay consequences? 233 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 1: Put aside whether or not that's why? Is whether that 234 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: what Trump did? You think he did do? Didn't do? 235 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 1: Democrats get away with it. Democrats get away with it. Hunter, Biden, 236 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 1: I think is going to get away with the whole thing, 237 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 1: and Joe Biden too, and Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton 238 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 1: they got away with and they got away with a lot. 239 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 1: That's a whole other conversation. They've gotten away with it. 240 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 1: And we know they broke the law. I mean, Bill 241 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 1: Clinton led under oath. Put that aside for a second. 242 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 1: Although that's certainly we're talking about Hillary Clinton violated the 243 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 1: Espionage Act. We know that she also destroyed evidence. We 244 00:14:57,880 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 1: know that when was the last time a high level 245 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 1: demok got hit with a process crime and an investigation? No, 246 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 1: in fact, during the investigation of Hillary's server, remember that 247 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 1: they basically deputized Hillary's lawyers to get to play on 248 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 1: both sides. They're her lawyers. They're subject the investigation, but 249 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 1: they're her lawyers, so they can't actually be pressed in 250 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 1: the investigation. It was preposterous. So we're supposed to sit 251 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 1: here and say, you're your team keeps getting a pass, 252 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 1: but Donald Trump has to pay the price until they 253 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 1: have an answer for me on that. I don't even 254 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 1: want to in all the chirping about all look at 255 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 1: the oh my gosh, the future of our democracy, it's 256 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 1: nonsense to me. What's really at stake here? Do we 257 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 1: live in a country where there is some justice, where 258 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 1: there is some fairness or not? That's what's on trial here, 259 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 1: as much as Donald Trump or anything else. Why does 260 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 1: only one side pay the price? We know they've broken 261 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 1: the law, don't even get to hear about it. Look, 262 00:15:57,040 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 1: while we talk about the most obvious apparent crime, like 263 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 1: you know, the Hillary Clinton stuff going on in our country, 264 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 1: we often forget to talk about what's going on silently 265 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 1: behind the scenes. Online identity theft is as prevalent as 266 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 1: it has ever been, and it's getting worse and worse 267 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 1: out there because they're really clever. They'll send you this 268 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 1: happens to me. 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So 293 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 1: that means apparently Clay has to be not planning to 294 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:41,160 Speaker 1: do radio, but he is going to join us. He'll 295 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 1: be here a couple of minutes to weigh in on 296 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 1: this one. Uh and dive in number four, so we 297 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 1: will discuss that with him. We've also got Andy McCarthy 298 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 1: coming up in a little bit. Want to take your calls? 299 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:53,879 Speaker 1: What do you think about this? Are you worried about 300 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:56,200 Speaker 1: how this shakes out for Trump? 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That's one, eight four 319 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 1: three are e f un ds. We wanted to hear 320 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 1: from our maid man Clay. He is currently in transit 321 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 1: for his book tour, but he has to weigh in 322 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 1: Clay just before we get into the latest here. I 323 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:23,440 Speaker 1: believe this is now the third time you have tried 324 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 1: to have a day off and there has been a 325 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 1: Trump indictment. You're three for three. 326 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 4: What are the odds? I mean, it's pretty unbelievable. When 327 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 4: you really break that down, I mean, I haven't even 328 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:38,200 Speaker 4: gone away that much for the summer, but every time 329 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:41,680 Speaker 4: I've ducked away, and this one is not even really vacation. 330 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 4: It's just they couldn't figure out how to get me 331 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:47,399 Speaker 4: from Salt Lake City to Houston without somehow infringing on 332 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 4: the show. So I'm at the Salt Lake City Airport, 333 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 4: got the signing tonight in Katie, Texas, and late last 334 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:58,400 Speaker 4: night when I got back from the signing in Salt Lake, 335 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 4: appreciate everybody being there, so many of our listeners, they 336 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:07,360 Speaker 4: were fabulous. Everything falls apart again, and I just this 337 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 4: one in particular feels so dirty and so calculated, even 338 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:18,160 Speaker 4: on a level that the others didn't fuck and unlike 339 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:21,120 Speaker 4: the others where you can say, okay, well, this can 340 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 4: be cured by winning the presidency by a pardon. This 341 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:29,160 Speaker 4: is far more significant in nature than the New York 342 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 4: City state charges, and this one I think is going 343 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:37,360 Speaker 4: to linger for some time. It's just an unbelievable outrage. 344 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 4: But it to me is the worst of the four 345 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 4: so far in terms of just what the long range 346 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:45,200 Speaker 4: impact is going to be. 347 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 1: So do you think, I mean, our buddy Andy McCarthy, 348 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 1: who's going to be joining us later on today Clay 349 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 1: on the show, He's been pretty clear. I mean, he 350 00:20:56,280 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 1: thinks that because of both the specifics of George law 351 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:04,919 Speaker 1: state law when it comes to elections, and also the 352 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:07,200 Speaker 1: reality that there's no way for there to be a 353 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 1: federal presidential pardon or a backing off of the DOJ 354 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 1: under sa a Trump or other Republican administration, that this 355 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 1: is a uniquely serious problem. Putting aside the unfairness of 356 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:23,199 Speaker 1: it and the politicization of it as a threat, he 357 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:25,159 Speaker 1: seems to think this is a pretty high one of 358 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 1: the four indictments. How do you come down on that? 359 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think so, because again, the federal charges. We've 360 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:33,160 Speaker 4: talked about this, I think you can break them down. 361 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 4: Miami is relatively serious on the process based crime South Florida, 362 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 4: that is, but it's federal charges, and I think the 363 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 4: jury and the judge actually are very beneficial to Trump. 364 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 4: The charges in jan six in Washington, d C. To me, 365 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 4: as I've laid out, are legally garbage, and again I 366 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 4: think they'll get tossed out by the Supreme Court eventually. 367 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 4: We've discussed New York City. I mean it's a bookkeeper charge, 368 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 4: it's a garbage charge in the first place. This one 369 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:06,919 Speaker 4: is going to be more challenging because there is no 370 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:12,120 Speaker 4: direct pardon mechanism. The Atlanta jury going to be very 371 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:16,160 Speaker 4: biased against Trump, and it's in a toss up state, 372 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:18,440 Speaker 4: which to me is so significant. As we were talking 373 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 4: about yesterday and Buck, let's not mistake what happened here. 374 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:27,200 Speaker 4: They listed all of these charges on the Atlanta website 375 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:32,639 Speaker 4: Fulton County before there had been any indictment from the 376 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 4: grand jury at all. They lied and said it was 377 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,920 Speaker 4: a fictitious rumor. We talked about this yesterday as soon 378 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:43,680 Speaker 4: as Reuters broke this new story, and then the numbers 379 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:48,199 Speaker 4: and the charges are the exact same, which is just 380 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 4: unprecedented in terms of the rig nature. They were cued 381 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 4: up because they knew that, no matter what they were seeking, 382 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 4: this grand jury was going to indict them. 383 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:02,359 Speaker 1: What do you think that Trump team's move is going 384 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,679 Speaker 1: to be in response to this, Like, how do you 385 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 1: see this one clay playing out based on the I mean, 386 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 1: I read the ninety eight pages this morning, and you 387 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:15,719 Speaker 1: know this is kitchen sink included for the indictment. I mean, 388 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 1: they're just throwing every you know, every fallse statement, every signature, 389 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 1: every everything. Right, They're just trying to throw the count 390 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:27,119 Speaker 1: of countless counts at Trump and also the people some 391 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,640 Speaker 1: of the people around him. Right that you had Mark Meadows, 392 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:31,679 Speaker 1: and you have Rudy Giuliani, you have Jenna Ellis, you 393 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 1: have other lawyers, other individuals who got caught up in this. 394 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 1: How do you think the narrative is framed by the 395 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 1: defense and the steps taken by the defense to fight back. 396 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 4: Well, I think they'll challenge the grand jury preceding itself 397 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 4: based on part of the leak that surrounded this, the 398 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,399 Speaker 4: fact that it came out before the grand jury it 399 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:53,920 Speaker 4: actually indicted. I think it's a two front war in 400 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 4: many ways, like many of these are, where you have 401 00:23:56,440 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 4: to both battle the legal and the political ramifications of 402 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:04,880 Speaker 4: this case simultaneously. You can't just fight one or the other, 403 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 4: and so that becomes a challenge because sometimes some of 404 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:12,440 Speaker 4: the arguments that you want to make politically may infringe 405 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:16,639 Speaker 4: on the territory of your legal argument. I think still 406 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,400 Speaker 4: the biggest thing for Trump is going to be they're 407 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 4: trying to get this case. I saw last night watching 408 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,480 Speaker 4: the press conference with Sanny Willis Buck. They're trying to 409 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 4: get this done in six months, which would slot it 410 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 4: somewhere in right after Jack Smith requested for the Jan 411 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:35,359 Speaker 4: sixth hearings. Again, I think that's very ambitious. But if 412 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 4: I'm the Trump team, I want to push this all 413 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:40,680 Speaker 4: the way so after the election, and then I want 414 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:45,200 Speaker 4: to turn if I win, this legal matter into a 415 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 4: political one, almost entirely. If you are Trump and argue, 416 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 4: I think to the Supreme Court, what are you going 417 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 4: to try to do here? You can't put the sitting 418 00:24:56,000 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 4: president of the United States in prison for state law violations. 419 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 4: So again, I think Trump is going to be running 420 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:09,160 Speaker 4: for president. I think this accelerates it, and it increases 421 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 4: these odds even more so to avoid having to be 422 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 4: put potentially in prison based on a conviction in a 423 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 4: left wing jurisdiction. 424 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 1: We're looking Clay at let me see here, Rudy Giuliani, 425 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 1: Mark Meadows, John Eastman, Jeff Clark, Mike Roman, David Schaeffer, 426 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:31,639 Speaker 1: twelve other people I think that are all indicted. You know, 427 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,160 Speaker 1: I know that we focus so much on Trump because 428 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,479 Speaker 1: of while it's Trump and he's running to be president, 429 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:39,920 Speaker 1: he hasn't president. Is Rudy Giuliani possibly going to go 430 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:41,359 Speaker 1: to prison over this. I mean, Dean, what do you 431 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:45,720 Speaker 1: think about the realities of the risks here facing some 432 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,920 Speaker 1: of the other people that are very much a part 433 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 1: of this Rico indictment. 434 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,200 Speaker 4: Well, first of all, Fanny Willis said she wants to 435 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 4: try all nineteen defendants together, which is kind of unheard of. 436 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,359 Speaker 4: I mean again, I would imagine there are I know, 437 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 4: there are a lot of defense attorneys and prosecutors in 438 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,119 Speaker 4: their history out there listening to us right now. I 439 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:11,399 Speaker 4: can't recall a case of this magnitude. And also, I 440 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,400 Speaker 4: think it brings home Buck the scope of what she's 441 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,440 Speaker 4: trying to do here. She is trying to not only 442 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,360 Speaker 4: put Trump in prison, She's trying to put an entire 443 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 4: cadre of legal advisors surrounding Trump in prison for the 444 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 4: rest of their life as well. This is an assault 445 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 4: upon the Republican Party the likes of which we've never 446 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 4: seen before, and upon attorneys who are providing legal representation. Now, 447 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 4: I think what she will try to do Buck is 448 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,960 Speaker 4: turn some many of those that are advising Trump that 449 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 4: they have charged in this case to testify against him 450 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 4: and argue that he was ultimately the grand couba of 451 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:55,399 Speaker 4: what she believes was a conspiracy to violate federal and 452 00:26:55,520 --> 00:27:00,639 Speaker 4: state election law, and obviously she's focused on the state components. Again, 453 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,119 Speaker 4: I just look at this and say Trump Basically, the 454 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:07,680 Speaker 4: question that everybody has is in the event that Trump 455 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,399 Speaker 4: is the is the nominee? And certainly I saw the 456 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 4: pollinge this morning. He's a big favorite, forty point lead 457 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 4: I think right now in New Hampshire, the likes of 458 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,639 Speaker 4: which we haven't seen before. If this indictment is like 459 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 4: any others, that will have a rallying effect, Trump will 460 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,440 Speaker 4: open up an even bigger lead. And in the next 461 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 4: five months is that going to disappear? I find that 462 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:29,120 Speaker 4: hard to believe. So basically Trump is and I can't 463 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 4: believe this is real. But Trump is going to be, 464 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:35,120 Speaker 4: in my opinion, running for president to try to keep 465 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,639 Speaker 4: himself from going to prison, potentially for the rest of 466 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 4: his life. 467 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,880 Speaker 1: What do you make of this one? Clay Trump put 468 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:47,200 Speaker 1: out on truth Social a large, complex, detailed but irrefutable 469 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:51,480 Speaker 1: report on the presidential election fraud which took place in Georgia. 470 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 1: Is almost complete and will be presented by me at 471 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 1: a major news conference at eleven am of next week 472 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:02,159 Speaker 1: in Bedminster, New Jersey. Based on the results of this 473 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:06,359 Speaker 1: conclusive report, all charges should be dropped against me and others. 474 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:10,160 Speaker 1: There will be a complete exoneration. They never went after 475 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 1: those that rigged the election. They only went after those 476 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 1: that fought to find those who rigged the election. Clay, 477 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:18,159 Speaker 1: what do you make of that? 478 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,200 Speaker 4: Well, I mean, one, I'll wait and see what his 479 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 4: defense is. But two, do you, Saint Jack Smith and 480 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:30,119 Speaker 4: Fanny Willis and Alvin Bragg and and those three prosecutors 481 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,720 Speaker 4: that have brought charges so far, care at all what 482 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:34,440 Speaker 4: Donald Trump's defenses are going to be? 483 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:36,920 Speaker 1: Not even a little not even a little bit. I'm 484 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 1: just I'm like trying to I'm trying to figure out 485 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 1: what the Trump play is with this. 486 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 4: Well, I think it's a political play, and he may 487 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 4: have a legal argument that he's going to use in 488 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 4: court as well. I'm not begrudging that. But the impact 489 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 4: on the people that are trying to put him in 490 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 4: prison for the rest of his life, it's going to 491 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 4: be zero. You know, even if Trump came out and 492 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 4: presented stone cold evidence of cheating and rigging, that the 493 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 4: media would cover it. So I understand again, this goes 494 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 4: to the two front or that Trump is now fighting 495 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 4: both lego and political, and it sounds like what he's 496 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 4: going to present is going to be both of those. 497 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,960 Speaker 4: But I can already probably write what the front page 498 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 4: of the New York Times and the Washington Post is 499 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 4: going to read the morning after Trump presents his defense, 500 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 4: and it's going to be ridiculing the idea that Trump 501 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:21,479 Speaker 4: has any defense at all. 502 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 1: Do you think the judge may we've already seen the 503 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 1: early stages here of protective orders in d C on 504 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:32,280 Speaker 1: that federal case relating to election twenty twenty in January sixth? 505 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 1: Do you think Trump may run a foul of the 506 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 1: Georgia judge in this case by talking about the case 507 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 1: in this way? 508 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 4: Yeah? I mean, look, this is what I've said from 509 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 4: the get go. Is the biggest peril in the short 510 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 4: term to Trump. I mean, we just saw Sam Bankman 511 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:52,680 Speaker 4: freed have his bail revoked based on his behavior while 512 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 4: he was out of court, and much of that behavior 513 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 4: was actually trying to defend himself. They are trying to 514 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 4: set traps for Trump, and they're going to set traps 515 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 4: by trying to get Trump in contempt of court rulings 516 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 4: as to what he can and cannot say. All of 517 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 4: these judges want to be able, I believe to basically, 518 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 4: you know, put the Trump pelt up on their wall. 519 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 4: And outside of Eileen Cannon in South Florida, I haven't 520 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,720 Speaker 4: seen any suggestion that there's any remote fairness coming from 521 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 4: the bench toward Donald Trump at all. And that's why 522 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 4: I said yesterday, Boss, to me, this is a state 523 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 4: of Georgia. Interesting question to me, he should have the 524 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:38,480 Speaker 4: opportunity to remove this case to federal law, federal court 525 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,400 Speaker 4: under Georgia law. I would try to pass a law 526 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,840 Speaker 4: that would say that that's allowed. Also move it anywhere 527 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:48,720 Speaker 4: outside of Fulton County. If you move this to any 528 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:52,120 Speaker 4: other county in Georgia, I really do believe this. I 529 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,800 Speaker 4: think the odds of Trump being convicted on these charges 530 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 4: are virtually zero. But of course they're bringing it in 531 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 4: the one county where they have a favorite jury pool 532 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 4: and a favorable disposition towards the idea that Trump is 533 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 4: a criminal. And that's why, ultimately I come back to 534 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 4: the president. That's being set here is blue city and 535 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 4: blue state jurisdictions have the ability and have now shown 536 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:21,520 Speaker 4: the willingness to try to put Republican politicians in prison 537 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 4: for the rest of their life. There's no comparable action 538 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:29,880 Speaker 4: that's been undertaken at all by Red states or red surtistictions. 539 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,760 Speaker 4: Democrats look at Hunter Biden, they don't fear the consequences 540 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:37,440 Speaker 4: of their actions in any way. And Democrats are going 541 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 4: to war with Republicans, and Republicans are turning the other cheek. 542 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,560 Speaker 4: I don't think that's a good combo play. 543 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,479 Speaker 1: First of all, we need you back tomorrow, so make 544 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,600 Speaker 1: sure your flight lands it needs to land, and all that. 545 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,120 Speaker 1: Where are you going tonight for your book signing for 546 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 1: American Playbook? And are you going to see our friends 547 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,960 Speaker 1: Jesse Kelly and Michael Berry to keep them out of trouble. 548 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,440 Speaker 4: Eventually, I was already on Michael Berry's show this morning. 549 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:07,720 Speaker 4: I did Jesse's show last week. I land this afternoon 550 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:11,560 Speaker 4: almost immediately go straight to Katie Texas Books a million. There, 551 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:15,760 Speaker 4: I'll be signing tomorrow. I'll be in Brandon, Florida, which 552 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:19,880 Speaker 4: is outside of Tampa, doing an event there, and then Thursday, 553 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,120 Speaker 4: I'm going to be in Nashville back home. So I'll 554 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,360 Speaker 4: be back full go tomorrow from our Tampa affiliate. It 555 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,800 Speaker 4: look forward to that hold down the Ford until then, 556 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,640 Speaker 4: and I'm legitimately hopping a flight right now. So look 557 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 4: forward to seeing people tonight in Katie, Texas. 558 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 1: Look at how the man is going around to see 559 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,960 Speaker 1: all of our people. 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In 586 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 1: just a few minutes, we'll break down all the legal 587 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:11,000 Speaker 1: realities that Trump faces. Now, this is all crazy. 588 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:11,920 Speaker 2: You know. 589 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:14,480 Speaker 1: It's not that you're crazy or I'm crazy. This is 590 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:19,960 Speaker 1: a crazy situation. You have the leading Republican presidential contender 591 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:24,400 Speaker 1: and a former president facing four criminal in diaments. I mean, 592 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,800 Speaker 1: you addle this together. He could theoretically be sentenced to 593 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,400 Speaker 1: hundreds of years in prison. That is a true statement, right, 594 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:33,480 Speaker 1: I think it's seventy five would be the max on 595 00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:35,000 Speaker 1: the max. Now he's not going to get the max. 596 00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:36,680 Speaker 1: He's not going to be guilty in all these places. 597 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:40,560 Speaker 1: And I'm just saying, the legal system right now is 598 00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:42,960 Speaker 1: threatening to send Donald Trump to prison for hundreds of 599 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:49,600 Speaker 1: years theoretically, right, it's pretty crazy. For what Oh boy, 600 00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:54,000 Speaker 1: We'll talk to Andy about that and more. Kelly in Utah, 601 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:55,080 Speaker 1: what's going on? Kelly? 602 00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:59,160 Speaker 5: Hey, you asked a question a minute ago. Does it matter? 603 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:04,080 Speaker 5: And I'm saying, yes, it matters. This is their playbook. 604 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,719 Speaker 5: They're not afraid of anything. They'll push on all of 605 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:11,239 Speaker 5: us all the time. And Rush always said, this is 606 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,520 Speaker 5: what they do to a Donald Trump, to an outsider, 607 00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:17,239 Speaker 5: They ruin you and they send a message. And that's 608 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:18,719 Speaker 5: exactly what's happening here. 609 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:23,640 Speaker 1: And it is scary, alrighty, And you wait, there's one 610 00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,160 Speaker 1: more thing I see here. Your daughter was at the 611 00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,160 Speaker 1: book signing last night for Clay and you tall. 612 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:32,480 Speaker 5: Yes, my daughter Ashley and her daughter Olivia were there. 613 00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:36,800 Speaker 5: They drove an out and they waited for a few minutes. 614 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:41,680 Speaker 5: Clay came out of the car and shook all their hands. 615 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,600 Speaker 5: They only waited a few minutes and they got to 616 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,640 Speaker 5: the front, bought their book, and he spent a good 617 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:51,040 Speaker 5: amount of time with them, and they said he was 618 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:55,320 Speaker 5: so handsome and so nice, and they were so impressed. 619 00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,320 Speaker 1: This is Clay's favorite call. I could assure you of 620 00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,719 Speaker 1: the month. So I will make sure he's not he's 621 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:02,879 Speaker 1: on a plane. We'll make sure we get this to him. 622 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:04,880 Speaker 1: And that's great that your daughter and granddaughter had had 623 00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,960 Speaker 1: such a good time with play. He's a super nice 624 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:09,879 Speaker 1: and generous guy. Don't tell him I told you that, though. 625 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:15,520 Speaker 1: All right, we're gonna come back in with Anny McCarthy 626 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,160 Speaker 1: here in just a in just a few minutes. I've 627 00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:21,760 Speaker 1: got something else though, for you. A bit of breaking 628 00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:28,280 Speaker 1: news via via Twitter and Georgia Trump and Yes, Governor Kemp. 629 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:34,480 Speaker 1: Governor Kemp has weighed in on this Trump indictment. I 630 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:38,040 Speaker 1: will tell you what he has said in response to it. 631 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,080 Speaker 1: You need to hear it. I don't know if you 632 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,680 Speaker 1: were going to want to hear it necessarily, but we 633 00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:49,759 Speaker 1: need to talk about the situation in Georgia. Clay just 634 00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,600 Speaker 1: texted me, Actually you'd already said, I don't think Kemp's 635 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:56,719 Speaker 1: gonna be Trump's VP. He's right about that one. We'll 636 00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:58,880 Speaker 1: address that in just a few moments here stick around 637 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:07,200 Speaker 1: m h clay, Travis and Buck Sexton on the front 638 00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:08,600 Speaker 1: lines of truth.