1 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 1: Hi, this is Annie and this is Bridget, and you're 2 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 1: listening to stuff mom never told you. Today, we're going 3 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 1: to do a bit of an update on Miss America. 4 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:25,920 Speaker 1: Did you ever compete in any beauty pageants when you're 5 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 1: a kid, Bridget? I did many beauty pageants. Some fus 6 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:32,199 Speaker 1: act about me is that my mom would put me 7 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:35,560 Speaker 1: in pageants when I was pretty young. I never won 8 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:38,519 Speaker 1: one of them, but I often won Miss Congeniality. That 9 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:40,879 Speaker 1: was that was common for me to win. I never won. 10 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:44,520 Speaker 1: I never like came in first place in any of them. Well, 11 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 1: Miss Congeniality is the best. It was very congenial. I 12 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 1: competed once in Miss Georgia. I don't know. I think 13 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 1: so because Miss Georgia was there at the end. I 14 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 1: remember that, Um, and I afterwards I told my mom 15 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 1: never again. I hated it. Did you have a talent, Oh, gosh, 16 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 1: I did. I can't remember what it was. I'll have 17 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:07,679 Speaker 1: to ask my mom. I'm kind of here. I think 18 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:10,399 Speaker 1: I was tap dancing. Yeah, mine was always tap dancing 19 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 1: to the stars, bangled banner and like a red, white 20 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 1: and blue sequined outfit. That was always my talent, always 21 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 1: always nice. Um, there have been a few changes with 22 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 1: Miss America recently. A lot of you have probably heard 23 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 1: about them. In June, the chairwoman of the Miss America 24 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 1: Board of Directors at Gretchen Carlson, announced that the Miss 25 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:35,399 Speaker 1: America competition will be scrapping its swimsuit portion and the 26 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 1: word competition is important too. Carlson said, it would be 27 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 1: a competition, not a pageant. Oh so, I wonder if 28 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 1: this is due to kind of me to ask backlash, 29 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 1: wanting to seem like a better place for women. It 30 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 1: is me too, is one of the reasons for the shift. 31 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 1: Um and because it's always I think a lot of 32 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 1: us have heard. It's a scholarship, it's one of the 33 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 1: largest nonprofit scholarships for women. But it does still feel 34 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: very um like it's objectifying women. Well, yeah, because they're 35 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 1: parading around in swimsuits at the same time. Yeah, that 36 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 1: might be it. That might be when I go swimming, 37 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:15,679 Speaker 1: I always are my high heels, don't we all. That's 38 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:18,919 Speaker 1: that's just how you know that you're succeeding as a woman. 39 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 1: The official Miss America Twitter account made the announcement with 40 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 1: a short video of a bikini disappearing in smoke with 41 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:30,080 Speaker 1: the hashtag by by bikini um in its place, Contestants 42 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 1: will do something similar to a Q and A with 43 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: the judges about what they would do as Miss America, 44 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 1: their talents, passions, ambition, and how they would apply them 45 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 1: with their title. And the swimsuit is not the only 46 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:44,799 Speaker 1: thing to go. That evening gown portion got the ax 47 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 1: as well. Participants can now wear quote whatever they choose, 48 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: and they'll talk about their plans to advance the social 49 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 1: impact initiatives they champion. What do you think about this change? 50 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 1: Do you think it's it's hearts in the right place? 51 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: Are you like a total marketing thing? Dumb? Don't like it? 52 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 1: I think that it is. I'm actually really curious about this, 53 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 1: and I'm not the only one. I think the bikini thing, 54 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 1: I'm really glad that's that's going away. I struggle to 55 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:17,639 Speaker 1: see how we're going to do away with I guess 56 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 1: because as a society we still objectify women. I'm very intrigued. 57 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: If if you can wear whatever you want, what are 58 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 1: people going to show up in. I'm curious. I mean, 59 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 1: I think it's good that they're d prioritizing look space competition, 60 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 1: but I also think, like, let's be real, you're not 61 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 1: going to even if even with these changes that are implementing, 62 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: you're not going to have a vast array of like 63 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 1: bodies represented. I'm quite sure that it's still going to 64 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 1: be like your fairly standard, like traditionally good looking, mostly white, 65 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: cis thin bodies. It's not like it's going to be 66 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 1: like a parade of women who are heavier, who are 67 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 1: who have disabilities like that kind of thing. I'm I'm like, 68 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: I think it's a good nod toward inclusivity, but like, 69 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 1: let's be real, I don't think it's going to be, 70 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 1: you know, an inclusive space now. Yeah, it's I almost 71 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 1: have difficulty imagining it not being the way it is now. Um, 72 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:22,119 Speaker 1: so we'll see, we'll see what happens. And as we mentioned, 73 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:24,480 Speaker 1: me too is one of the reasons that this is happening, 74 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:27,719 Speaker 1: and another is that the board for the first time 75 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:31,159 Speaker 1: is made up of mostly women. And this happened after 76 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:33,840 Speaker 1: some emails from the male leaders and employees that we're 77 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 1: speaking poorly about the weight and sex life of contestants 78 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 1: were um, I want to say leaked, but I guess 79 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 1: that's not true. Huffington Post reported on them, and they 80 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 1: became they caused quite a controversy and whatever you're imagining, 81 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 1: it's worse. Yeah. Take this email from former CEO Sam Haskell. 82 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:55,280 Speaker 1: He says, I have decided that when referring to a 83 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:57,799 Speaker 1: woman who was once Miss America, we are no longer 84 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 1: going to call them forever Miss America's. Please change all 85 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 1: script copy to reflect that their former Miss America's. Freedman replied, 86 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 1: I'd already changed Forever's to Does that work for you? 87 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 1: Has skelll short reply came quickly perfect. Bah ha ha 88 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:18,160 Speaker 1: ha ha. Sounds like a real winner himself. Um Haskell 89 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 1: and other colleagues made jokes about contestants they didn't like dying. 90 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 1: He called teens Miss America Mallory Hagen, who drew particular 91 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 1: ire from Haskell, a piece of trash, and Freedman said 92 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:34,039 Speaker 1: of her, Mallory's preparing for her new career as a 93 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 1: blimp in the Macy's Thanksgiving parade. As she continues to 94 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 1: destroy her own credibility, her voice will attract a less 95 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:42,840 Speaker 1: and less notice while she continues her descent to an 96 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 1: unhappy pathetic footnote. Awful, awful, awful, Yeah, and then it 97 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 1: ended with the ps are we for the only ones 98 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:56,840 Speaker 1: who have not Mallory. Uh. They also destroyed her career 99 00:05:57,160 --> 00:05:59,840 Speaker 1: what she went on to rebuild. And I do think 100 00:05:59,880 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 1: it's important to note that female staff members were taking 101 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 1: part in this as well. It just sounds like a 102 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 1: really toxic, gross culture. It really does. And Gretchen Carlson said, 103 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:16,040 Speaker 1: we're experiencing a cultural revolution in our country with women 104 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 1: finding the courage to stand up and have their voices 105 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 1: heard on many issues. Miss America is proud to evolve 106 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 1: as an organization and join this empowerment movement, but not 107 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 1: everyone is happy about this. According to Carlson, the comments, 108 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 1: the negative comments can be summed up with nobody will 109 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:37,279 Speaker 1: watch because there's no swimsuit competition. And what that says 110 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:40,159 Speaker 1: is if we put in place in interactive section with 111 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:42,839 Speaker 1: the judges where you get to know the candidates, somehow 112 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 1: that's not worth watching. Somehow finding out about the substance 113 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:49,720 Speaker 1: of a woman isn't entertaining. I find that highly sexist. 114 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: It is sexist. Also, who is watching Miss America? Are 115 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 1: men tuning in to Miss America to uggle these women 116 00:06:57,320 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 1: in bathing suits? Like, I don't know that that's even 117 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 1: really happening. I'm not really sure, who's watching Miss America. 118 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:05,840 Speaker 1: To be honest, I've gotten drunk and watched the Miss 119 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 1: America pageants. I'm not gonna lie, okay, um, and what 120 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 1: were you? What were you watching it for? Just sort 121 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 1: of the competitiveness or the talent portion. Well, the last 122 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 1: time that I got really excited about it, like I'm 123 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 1: not even gonna front. It was like me and my 124 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 1: friends pounding beers and watching it like people are watching 125 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 1: a like the super Bowl. And that's because deshawna barber, 126 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 1: who is a black woman from d C. She won, 127 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 1: like she won the Miss America pageant and we were like, 128 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 1: whoa go to Shawna? Like we and so I was 129 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 1: really excited that someone from d C was was in 130 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 1: the running and like one, she also has a natural hair, 131 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 1: which we were like yes, like we were really into 132 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 1: So yeah, we were definitely getting lit and watching Miss 133 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 1: America as we were watching the super Bowl. That sounds fun. 134 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 1: That sounds enjoyable. Some competitors and past winners are happy 135 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 1: with is change either, largely because the two competitions before 136 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 1: you even get to the Miss America points, State and 137 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 1: Local haven't all done away with a swimsuit competition and 138 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 1: a competition body is hard work. Listener Allison wrote as 139 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 1: a message about this after spending time with your younger 140 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 1: sister who was competing in Miss Georgia. She said competitors 141 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 1: think that to make the competition be more inclusive is 142 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 1: a disservice to their hard work for their competition bodies, 143 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 1: and that the change supports an unhealthy lifestyle, although I 144 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 1: know for a fact my sister's prep for her competition 145 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 1: body was in no way supporting a healthy lifestyle. They 146 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: say that it as a competition and eliminating the swimwear 147 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 1: portion makes it less competitive, among other things. I did 148 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 1: hear that come up a lot, that it was like 149 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: promoting a less healthy lifestyle, and I was like, I 150 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 1: think it might be the opposite anyway. Um. A comedy 151 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 1: skip from the Miss Massachusetts poked fun at the change. 152 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:59,599 Speaker 1: From the observer, we may have very well seen the 153 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 1: last ever swimsuit competition on stage is very upsetting. A 154 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 1: woman kneeling on a chair on a stage bemoaned as 155 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 1: part of the comedy sketch, and I'm trying to understand God, 156 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 1: why it happened me too, Amy responded, A person justice God, 157 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 1: holding up a hashtag me too sign yeah that's a 158 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 1: little yeah yeah there really I know, and I remember 159 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 1: some parents were really angry that they that that skit 160 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:28,840 Speaker 1: took place because they had young daughters in the audience 161 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 1: and they thought it was in poor taste. And so 162 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 1: it is going to be interesting going back to what 163 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 1: we said earlier, seeing how the claim and this is 164 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: a quote, we won't judge you on your outward appearance 165 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 1: plays out. Women have always been judged on our outward appearance, 166 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:47,679 Speaker 1: and I would guess that most, if not all, of 167 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 1: the competitors are going to be traditionally beautiful. Megan Garber 168 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 1: touched on this in an article she wrote for The Atlantic. Quote, 169 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 1: it is a cultural infrastructure onto itself. It has been 170 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 1: built up within a world in which beauty standards for women, 171 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 1: standards that are deeply connected to race and class and 172 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 1: persistent inequalities that lurk among our easy pageant trees, are 173 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 1: so omnipresent as to be utterly unremarkable, punishingly narrow assumptions 174 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 1: about feminine beauty. They are part of the American scenery. 175 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 1: They varnished the stage. They make it dangerously slick. Definitely, 176 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 1: I think that quote really gets to the heart of 177 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 1: the matter, because it doesn't matter if they're doing away 178 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 1: with these small pillars of the competition being you know, 179 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 1: driven by looks. We can't aboard the fact that our 180 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:36,080 Speaker 1: entire society is set up around judging women for their 181 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 1: for our looks. Yeah, and there's a whole episode of 182 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 1: Parks and Rex about this where um Leslie is a 183 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 1: judge for Miss Pawnee, and she goes all in for 184 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 1: the studious contestant, but all of the other judges pick 185 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 1: the one. Of course, of course, Vanessa Freedman over at 186 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 1: The New York Times wrote, allowing women to select their 187 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 1: own formal wear acknowledges that it is on us all 188 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 1: to make our own decisions about at our appearance means. 189 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 1: And it will be interesting to see how that kind 190 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 1: of liberty plays out. It could be hard to break 191 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: behavior honed by years of experience and peer pressure, and 192 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:11,959 Speaker 1: any contestant who has reached the Miss America level has 193 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:15,680 Speaker 1: been through at minimum to competitions beforehand. But the change 194 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 1: is also realistic, which is not a word that has 195 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 1: been associated with Miss America in a long time. If 196 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 1: ever see this this, I actually like this because this 197 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 1: idea that instead of an evening gown, you can wear 198 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 1: whatever you want, I think, but underscores the idea that 199 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:33,680 Speaker 1: when people look their best, it's not because they're wearing 200 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:35,840 Speaker 1: like the fanciest or the nicest or a ball gawn. 201 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:38,319 Speaker 1: It's because they're wearing something that makes them feel comfortable. 202 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:41,960 Speaker 1: And what makes me feel comfortable maybe isn't a ball gaul. 203 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:45,439 Speaker 1: Maybe it's a suit, Maybe it's a romper, right, like, 204 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 1: I don't know. I think I think I like this 205 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:50,959 Speaker 1: change because I think if people ought to choose different 206 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 1: reflections of outfits that make them feel like that they're 207 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 1: their best, that confidence will shine through. And so I 208 00:11:57,640 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 1: was I would love it if it was, you know, 209 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 1: just dress up at the output that makes you feel 210 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:04,439 Speaker 1: you're most authentically you and makes you feel your most confident, 211 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 1: because people always look good when they are, you know, 212 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 1: feeling confident, whether it's a ball gown or a tuxedo. 213 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: I agree, and I think it will make for more 214 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 1: interesting viewing as well. And um this article at The 215 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 1: New York Times wrote about how celebrities where a vast 216 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 1: assortment of things when they go to like say, the 217 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 1: met ball galla or whatever that is. Um that aren't 218 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 1: evening gown like that's a very small box. So it 219 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:36,320 Speaker 1: is exciting to see what these competitors are going to 220 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 1: going to wear in the evening Fortune. Yeah, I'll definitely 221 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:43,960 Speaker 1: get drunk and watch it. I can think, well, excellent. 222 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 1: In the meantime, we hope you enjoy this classic episode. Hey, 223 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:56,680 Speaker 1: and welcome to the podcast. This is Smilly and I'm Kristen. Kristen, 224 00:12:56,960 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 1: can you tell me about your hopes and dreams and 225 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:03,559 Speaker 1: hopefully work in the phrase world peace while you're at it? Well, 226 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 1: world peace actually is my number one dream, Molly. I 227 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 1: hope to achieve it here and beyond in these United 228 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:14,559 Speaker 1: States and south of US, in the borders below and 229 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 1: across the ocean Blue. You just totally dissed Canada, I said, 230 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 1: borders below. No one lives in Canada. Oh no, we 231 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:27,200 Speaker 1: have so many Canadian listeners. That was a joke. Oh, 232 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 1: I guess maybe Do you think that part of becoming 233 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 1: Miss America, which is our topic today, is diss in Canada? 234 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 1: Do you think Miss America has to be ready to 235 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 1: go to war against Canada at all times? I don't know, 236 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 1: but I think that that should be the next question 237 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 1: for Miss America during their Q and A time. Would 238 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 1: you be ready to go to war against Canada? Could you? 239 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 1: Could you arm wrestle Miss Canada for a world supremacy. Oh, 240 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:52,680 Speaker 1: I'm not very good at arm wrestling. I'd probably never 241 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 1: be Miss America. I'm too old to be Miss America. 242 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 1: Now I learned from our podcast research. That's true. This 243 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 1: this podcast is specially aimed at girls seventeen to twenty four. 244 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 1: Just gave away my a jo because those are the 245 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 1: girls eligible to compete as Miss America. And obviously if 246 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 1: you're younger than that, then you know, get ready to 247 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:15,560 Speaker 1: go because prime, prime pageant years are coming up. Yeah. 248 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 1: Well there's also Miss tin USA too. Today, we're just 249 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 1: going to focus on Miss America, Christian because there are 250 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 1: so many pageants out there, we got to narrow it down. 251 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 1: And to me growing up, this one was like the 252 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 1: ideal pageant. It was the classiest of the pageants. True, 253 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 1: and I see u s A was just a skin show. True. 254 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 1: And she didn't have a talent. Yeah, that's the big 255 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 1: difference between the two. Talent was just bikini wearing. We'll 256 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 1: get to that later. But is she still relevant? Is 257 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 1: this is this thing that I grew up watching. I 258 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 1: can still remember. I even looked up the year for you, Kristen, 259 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 1: because I remember this lady made such an impact on me. 260 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 1: In I watched when Caroline Suzanne's sap was crowned Miss America. 261 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 1: And then in that year she did a television movie 262 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 1: about domestic violence because her boyfriend had beat her. And 263 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 1: remember thinking, man, if this could happen to Miss America, 264 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 1: could happen to anyone. I mean, that year Miss America 265 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 1: made a really big influence, did I don't. I can't 266 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 1: tell you the last time that I watched Miss America 267 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 1: in full. I know that it happened at some point, 268 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 1: but it's been a while. But I don't think you're alone. 269 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 1: So that's why today we're going to answer the question, 270 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 1: is she's still relevant? Because she was very relevant to 271 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 1: me in But now we just had a Miss America paget. 272 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 1: I didn't even watch it. Yeah, ratings have gone way down. 273 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 1: Just to give you a sense of just how little 274 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 1: America now cares about well, Miss America, let's look at 275 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 1: some some ratings smalling in nineteen one, just a year 276 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 1: before that monumental Miss America pageant. For you, first of all, 277 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 1: the paget was on NBC, major network, with twenty six 278 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 1: point seven million viewers. Okay, now last year, well actually 279 00:15:55,560 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 1: last January, the paget was not only on teels see 280 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 1: a cable network and uh corporate I think we should 281 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 1: say a corporate parents slash affiliate. Only three point five 282 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 1: million viewers tuned in and that represents a drop of 283 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 1: eighty seven I know and noted a cultural scholar Mario 284 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 1: Lopez a k a. A c Space later, he attributes 285 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 1: this to the rise of magazines like Maxim, which means 286 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 1: that you know, you don't have to tune into Miss 287 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 1: America to see a girl in a bikini anymore. Yea, 288 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 1: so maybe that's why some guys don't tune in anymore 289 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 1: or reality shows. In fact, in that same Entertainment Weekly 290 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 1: article that Mario Lopez is quoted, Jessica Valenti, who founded 291 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 1: Feministing dot com, says, why get worked up about Miss 292 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 1: America when you really should get worked up about what 293 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 1: the ladies are doing on like The Bachelor of the Bachelorette. 294 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 1: So at one point, this pageant used to be something 295 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 1: that everyone tuned into a lot of people got mad about, 296 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 1: and now no one even cares. So how do we 297 00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 1: get there? How did we get there? Well, it all 298 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 1: started back in Atlantic City, the place where dreams are born. Yes, uh, 299 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:10,399 Speaker 1: we've got all these hotel owners who are trying to 300 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 1: persuade families to stay a little bit longer Atlantic City, 301 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 1: and they figure out the one way to get people 302 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 1: to stay, let's put on a big pageant. So they 303 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 1: organized around Labor Day. Um, they organized something called the 304 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 1: Fall Frolic. Now doesn't that sound fun? Mulling a fall frolic? Now? 305 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:41,440 Speaker 1: When the Fall Frolic began, there were three fifty decorated 306 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 1: rolling wicker chairs that were pushed along the parade route 307 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:46,920 Speaker 1: down I think it was down the boardwalk in Atlantic City, 308 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:50,919 Speaker 1: and you had handsome eligible men pushing the chairs along, 309 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 1: and seated inside those chairs were costumed maidens, right fair 310 00:17:56,640 --> 00:18:02,439 Speaker 1: maidens for onlookers to gaze upon and think about. And 311 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 1: everyone was involved though. You know, I read one quote 312 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 1: that said that you know when they one year and 313 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:10,160 Speaker 1: they're like, well there's gonna be a bathing suit competition. 314 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:11,919 Speaker 1: Everyone was dressing up in their bathing suits. Not a 315 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 1: bathing suit competition about a bath those review, That's right. 316 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:18,399 Speaker 1: It was classy But even though there were hundreds of 317 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:21,959 Speaker 1: these people dressed up, only eight people were competing for 318 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:25,639 Speaker 1: this beauty pageant title. And the first winner, our first 319 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 1: Miss America, was Margaret Gorman, a fifteen year old schoolgirl 320 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:32,880 Speaker 1: from Washington, d C. Now, I was amazed at what 321 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 1: was said about old Margaret Gorman by American Federation of 322 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:40,679 Speaker 1: Labor President Samuel Gompers. He told The New York Times 323 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 1: that Gorman represented the type of woman that America needs, strong, 324 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:48,440 Speaker 1: red blooded, able to shoulder the responsibilities of homemaking and motherhood. 325 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 1: It is in her type that the hope of the 326 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 1: country rests. Yo. That is a lot of pressure for 327 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 1: a fifteen year old. Five ones. Fifteen year old is 328 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 1: the hope of America. Uh yeah, it's pretty crazy. Yeah. 329 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:07,639 Speaker 1: And from there, um, the parade and festivities expanded, the 330 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:12,159 Speaker 1: popularity grew, um and other people from other parts of 331 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:15,199 Speaker 1: the country started getting involved. We start to see the 332 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:19,920 Speaker 1: beginning of this padget system. But they were not very 333 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:23,159 Speaker 1: good about setting rules at the very beginning. And uh, 334 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 1: one thing that kind of embarrassed them in the early 335 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 1: days was that they forgot to include a no marriage 336 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 1: clause and so they had like you know, married women 337 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:33,160 Speaker 1: and women with babies showing up, and uh, I think 338 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 1: the hotel owners realized that it got a little creepy 339 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 1: then when you were judging some man's wife. These women 340 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:42,920 Speaker 1: they had loose morals. They needed they needed young flesh 341 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:47,399 Speaker 1: to feast upon. I think wholesome young flesh that is molly. 342 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 1: Because one of one of the rules was no makeup 343 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 1: and no bobbed hair, which were symbols of worldliness. I 344 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 1: think that's I think that's an interesting distinction is that 345 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 1: in the early days it was no bobbed hair, no 346 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:02,680 Speaker 1: artificial artificial means to achieve beauty, whereas now you know, 347 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:05,080 Speaker 1: now there are some women who've been tweaked a little bit, 348 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:09,359 Speaker 1: maybe a ted but plastic surgeon involved. But that contest 349 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:14,159 Speaker 1: ended in right b the bad publicity because all these 350 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 1: married women were showing up. So now they try and 351 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:19,160 Speaker 1: revive it a few times, but they keep having mary 352 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 1: contestants show up. Um, they revived it in nineteen thirty five, 353 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 1: and in nineteen thirty seven, the Miss America they crowned disappeared, 354 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 1: just ran away. I wanted to go back to school. Um, 355 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 1: so now they're trying to class it up and I 356 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:35,159 Speaker 1: think that you can really trace a lot of the 357 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:37,480 Speaker 1: class and a lot of the that is attributed to 358 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:41,439 Speaker 1: Leonora Slaughter, who um in nineteen thirty eight added a 359 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:44,639 Speaker 1: talent competition, so it wasn't just you know, crass crass 360 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 1: bathing suit beauties. They had had to be talented too. 361 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 1: And she was also the woman who um started the 362 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:54,120 Speaker 1: scholarship program, so now it's not the beauty pageant, it's 363 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:57,639 Speaker 1: a scholarship program. So she's really attributed with with bringing 364 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 1: dignity back to Miss America. But the contest was still 365 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 1: restricted to a very select group of girls. For instance, 366 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:08,640 Speaker 1: as late as in nineteen forty all of the contestants 367 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 1: had to list on a biological biological data sheet how 368 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:15,879 Speaker 1: far back they could trace their ancestry. And that was 369 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:20,640 Speaker 1: because the contest was formally restricted in its rules too 370 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 1: only white girls. Um. And even in nineteen forty five, 371 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 1: when Bess Meyerson, who was Jewish, was selected as Miss America, 372 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 1: they tried to convince Meyerson to change her name to 373 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 1: go under a different name, uh, so that other people 374 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 1: wouldn't find out that, oh my gosh, we have a 375 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 1: Jewish Miss America, and that just you know, reflects the 376 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:48,120 Speaker 1: enormous anti semitism and racism of the time, right, But 377 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 1: you know, it's like you said, it's of the time, 378 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 1: and the song there she is Miss America comes into 379 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:55,879 Speaker 1: being in the nineteen fifties and one of the lines 380 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 1: is that's our ideal. So that's sort of the question 381 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:00,400 Speaker 1: I think it's worth thinking about as we go through 382 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,120 Speaker 1: this and as we think about the pageant to Dane 383 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:04,639 Speaker 1: whether it's still relevant is do we have a national 384 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 1: ideal anymore? So? Apparently back then our national ideal is 385 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 1: pretty as you said, racist and anti semitic. But other 386 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:15,399 Speaker 1: than that, Mark historians consider the nineteen forties and nineteen 387 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:17,880 Speaker 1: fifties of Miss America be sort of like the Golden years. 388 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 1: That's when the song came into being. Bert Parks hosted 389 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 1: the pageant for years and years. It was very popular. 390 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 1: The one interesting thing did happen in nineteen fifty one. Yes, 391 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:32,880 Speaker 1: we have Alabama and Yolanda, but Beazy who did not 392 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 1: want to wear a bathing suit in public, so she 393 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:40,200 Speaker 1: couldn't compete in the very popular, you know, swimsuit portion. 394 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 1: And because of that, Catalina Swimwear, which was a big 395 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 1: sponsor UH founded two rival beauty pageants. You may have 396 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 1: heard of Miss USA and Miss Universe. So we have 397 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 1: a headstrong Alabama to thank for these other two major competitions, right, 398 00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 1: But other than that, like we said, it's it's it's 399 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 1: it's relatively going along pretty easy, it seems like. But 400 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:06,119 Speaker 1: you know, then at the same time in the country, 401 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 1: we've got civil rights starting to happen, We've got the 402 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,640 Speaker 1: women's movement, and everything comes to a head in nineteen 403 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 1: sixty eight with the Women's Liberation Front. Yes, and this 404 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 1: is where the common uh slang I guess for feminist 405 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 1: bra burners comes about, even though no bras were actually burned. 406 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 1: We have a large group of feminist protesters outside the 407 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 1: Miss America pageant, and they bring with them all sorts 408 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 1: of symbols of you know, their oppressions, such as household 409 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 1: magazines like um Harper's Bizarre Como, Cosmo, Good Journey. They 410 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 1: bring aprons, they bring all sorts of thing hurlers, curlers, eyelashes, 411 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 1: and braziers, and they throw them into these giant trash 412 00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,679 Speaker 1: cans and they were going to light them on fire, 413 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 1: but that didn't end up working out, I think because 414 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,119 Speaker 1: they weren't allowed to set anything on fire. Right it 415 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:05,920 Speaker 1: was a wooden board box. Yeah, I think a little 416 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 1: and safe not a good idea. So if it didn't 417 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 1: end up setting anything on fire, But the media totally 418 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 1: swarmed in on this protest and someone coined the turn 419 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,160 Speaker 1: braw burners and then it just took off from there. 420 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,439 Speaker 1: But in fact people no, no brawls were burned. So 421 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 1: at the protest, these women circulated a brochure called no 422 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,199 Speaker 1: More Miss America, and you can find the text online, 423 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 1: but we're gonna read um some sections because it's a 424 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 1: pretty pretty fabulous brochure. If I do say so myself, 425 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:33,639 Speaker 1: I don't think you have to agree with on of 426 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 1: it to just love the language that it's written in 427 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,720 Speaker 1: and to wish that you've been alive in nine for instance, 428 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:42,120 Speaker 1: in case of arrest, we plan to reject all male 429 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 1: authority and demand to be busted by police women only. 430 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:48,359 Speaker 1: In Atlantic City, women cops are not permitted to make arrest. 431 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 1: Dig that, Yeah, we really allowed the language and this, um, 432 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 1: let's go over who uh these feminists invited? They invited 433 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 1: women's liberation groups, black women, high school and college women, 434 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 1: women's peace groups, women's welfare and social work groups, women's 435 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 1: job equality groups, pro birth control and pro abortion groups, 436 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 1: women of every political persuasion. But they did not invite men. 437 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,919 Speaker 1: They specifically said male chauvinist reactionaries on this issue had 438 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:16,400 Speaker 1: best stay away. Nor are male liberals welcome in the demonstrations. 439 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 1: But sympathetic man can donate money as well as cars 440 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 1: and drivers. And I think we should mention that this 441 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:24,640 Speaker 1: was organized by the New York Radical women and they 442 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,879 Speaker 1: had ten major points that I think we should toss 443 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:32,200 Speaker 1: out that they were protesting against. Number one, the degrading, 444 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 1: mindless boob girly symbol. It likened women to being a 445 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 1: specimens up for four age ribbons. That you know, they 446 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 1: checked their teeth, they checked their body. It was it 447 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 1: was silly beauty standards, is what these women were upset about. 448 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 1: And then we also have racism with roses because um, 449 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:52,680 Speaker 1: as we mentioned earlier, uh, the contest was really only 450 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:57,479 Speaker 1: open to white women and since its inception, and this 451 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 1: is in ninety the pageant had not had one black 452 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:06,680 Speaker 1: finalist right or any other nationality. Now that the women 453 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,360 Speaker 1: were also upset that Miss America would always go talk 454 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 1: to the troops abroad and since Vietnam was going on. 455 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:16,159 Speaker 1: They called Miss America a mascot for murder, saying that 456 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,360 Speaker 1: she had to go off and cheer up boys into 457 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 1: dying and that this was not what the ideal woman 458 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 1: should be doing. And they also called it out for hawking, 459 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:30,199 Speaker 1: uh commercial items obviously they had major sponsors, um and 460 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:34,400 Speaker 1: also perpetuating this beauty myth. I mean, that's a that's 461 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,359 Speaker 1: an argument that still comes up with the with the 462 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,639 Speaker 1: Miss America contest. And then this idea of you know, 463 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 1: Miss America to to borrow a phrase from Elvis Costello 464 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 1: being this year's model. You know, she just cycled in 465 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:51,200 Speaker 1: and out every year. You can remember last year's Miss 466 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:55,160 Speaker 1: America's name. Um, So they're saying that women are disposable. 467 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 1: They have to exhibit this commonly referred to a combination 468 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 1: known as madonna whore. They have to be wholesome enough 469 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,159 Speaker 1: to win everyone's vote, but they still need to be 470 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 1: sexy enough to you know, entertain the home viewers. And 471 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 1: then they also rejected this idea that while you know, 472 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,360 Speaker 1: every little boy supposedly wants to grow up to be president, 473 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:17,359 Speaker 1: the dream for little girls should be to prance across 474 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:21,720 Speaker 1: the stage in hopes of winning a crown doesn't seem 475 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:25,880 Speaker 1: very fulfilled. Beauty pageant, Yeah, there's very little power with that. 476 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:30,640 Speaker 1: You're just there for to please other people, your hood ornament. Yeah, 477 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:35,400 Speaker 1: so I think that many of these criticisms um are 478 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 1: still in play to some extent. But if no one 479 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 1: watches Miss America, then then doesn't matter, right, because in 480 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,359 Speaker 1: ninety eight it was still wildly popular and got really 481 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:49,199 Speaker 1: great television ratings, a far site from the kind of 482 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,920 Speaker 1: pitiful ratings that it gets today. So protests continue on 483 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 1: uh into the seventies. In fact, Miss American nineteen seventy 484 00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 1: two was burned in effigy by radical feminist as she 485 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:02,920 Speaker 1: toward various cities during her reign um, which is pretty scary. 486 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 1: But the pageant does start to make some strides in 487 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 1: terms of more minorities participating. In four, we have Vanessa 488 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:15,639 Speaker 1: Williams who becomes the first black Miss America, which is great. 489 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,680 Speaker 1: How she also receives death threats. It is a very 490 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,120 Speaker 1: she also receives death threats, and then it turns into 491 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,960 Speaker 1: a really sad story because a little later after she 492 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 1: has won her crown, these pornographic photos of her surface 493 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:35,360 Speaker 1: and everything just falls apart for Merissa. You know House 494 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,639 Speaker 1: published them. Penthouse publishes them, and I think it was 495 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:42,479 Speaker 1: one of the best selling issues ever and um so 496 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 1: she had to resign. Yeah, for once, the first runner 497 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 1: up actually got to take Miss America's place. Yeah, although 498 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 1: I think that a similar thing happened with the Miss 499 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 1: America recently after she was crowned. I think a couple 500 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 1: of years ago, pornographic pictures of her surface as well. 501 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 1: I have to say that there seemed to be a 502 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 1: lot of nude pictures of people sprouting up. And I 503 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 1: just want to tell you out there, don't take nude pictures. 504 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 1: Just don't do it. It will come back to hunt. Yeah, 505 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 1: that's my opinion on nude pictures. But speaking of being 506 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 1: nearly nude, I think it's time to bring it back 507 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 1: this conversation to the issue of swimsuits. Yes, because in 508 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 1: recent years people have said, we don't need a Miss 509 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 1: America to parade around in a swimsuit to think that 510 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 1: she is, you know, our ideal. And there was talk 511 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 1: in the ninety nineties of abolishing the swimsuit competition, right, 512 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 1: and they actually put it up to an audience vote 513 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 1: during one of these competitions and it's still around. The 514 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:56,120 Speaker 1: people wanted the swimsuit competition. What was the what was 515 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 1: the statistic there, Molly? You know, I think the home 516 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 1: audience voted three to one to keep it, but you know, 517 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 1: the women who participated in it also were in favor 518 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 1: of keeping it. The vote was forty two to seven, 519 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 1: with one woman abstaining from the vote, that makes a 520 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 1: solid fifty. And she explained her refusing to vote as 521 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 1: you know, I'm okay with it either way. I don't 522 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 1: necessarily want to put on a swimsuit, but it's a 523 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,520 Speaker 1: means to an end, and that brings up I think 524 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 1: what that means to an end is, and that is 525 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:26,280 Speaker 1: the platform which came into being in the late nineteen eighties. Yes, 526 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:30,040 Speaker 1: and by platform you are referring to the social issue 527 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 1: that each contestant has to adopt as her kind of 528 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:38,760 Speaker 1: pet project, like some people will do homelessness or education 529 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 1: or world peace, what have you. So this platform coming 530 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 1: into being in the late nineteen eighties, I think exhibits, 531 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:49,400 Speaker 1: you know, the identity crisis that the pageant has been 532 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:53,040 Speaker 1: in since that time, because you know, the pageant officials 533 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 1: straight out admitted that a platform was a way to 534 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 1: sort of class up the pageant, remind people is for 535 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 1: scholarships that they recognize that the ideal representative America should 536 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,720 Speaker 1: be able to talk intelligently about issues. But at the 537 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 1: same time, in an effort to get ratings, in recent years, 538 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,480 Speaker 1: they've done things like cut talent competition so that not 539 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 1: as many girls compete on air with their talent. So 540 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 1: I think that, you know, it's it's very interesting to 541 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 1: see what they want the pattern to be, which is, 542 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,360 Speaker 1: you know a little bit more cerebral, maybe just maybe 543 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 1: just in name, maybe just to get you know, accolades 544 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,640 Speaker 1: and to keep the feminists from being too angry. But 545 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 1: what they choose to emphasize on the on air portion 546 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 1: are the swimsuits, are the evening gowns. So and in 547 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,720 Speaker 1: the final night of the competition, which is, uh, what 548 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:43,960 Speaker 1: we all see is just swimsuit evening where something called 549 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:47,880 Speaker 1: pure respect and leadership, a touch of talent, and then 550 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:52,040 Speaker 1: top five Knowledge and Understanding competition, which is always kind 551 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 1: of the best part to me because that's when they 552 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,240 Speaker 1: asked the girls you know that, or the women I 553 00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 1: should say that, their their questions that can sometimes get 554 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,240 Speaker 1: kind of funny answers because they're put on the spot. 555 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,760 Speaker 1: Um yeah, yeah, I mean, well, you know that that 556 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 1: does raise the question, is you know, now you watch 557 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,280 Speaker 1: it kind of hoping someone screws up and becomes a 558 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 1: YouTube phenomenon because they're you know, they're did see. But 559 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,440 Speaker 1: I think it probably does really aggravate the women who 560 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,000 Speaker 1: are smart who show up and do pageants for the 561 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,440 Speaker 1: sake of getting scholarship money. Sure, there are plenty of 562 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:26,720 Speaker 1: contestants who you know, are in school, very reputable colleges 563 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 1: and universities, law students, med students. I mean, they're definitely 564 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,960 Speaker 1: more than just pretty faces. So I think that leads 565 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 1: us well into the question of what do we want, Kristen, 566 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,480 Speaker 1: What is an ideal for someone who's gonna have a 567 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:41,480 Speaker 1: title called Miss America, which arguably we don't need the 568 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,520 Speaker 1: titrible Let's say there's going to be a Miss America, 569 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,360 Speaker 1: we've got a crown one. What do we want? You know, 570 00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:49,320 Speaker 1: we you know, you just admitted that you kind of 571 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,280 Speaker 1: like to see a girl be a little bit human, 572 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,840 Speaker 1: maybe not be perfectly poised like a robot. You want 573 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 1: to see someone who's authentic, which I think is why 574 00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:57,800 Speaker 1: World Peace gets to be such a joke. Is because 575 00:32:57,840 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 1: they know that if they say that, it rings some 576 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:03,000 Speaker 1: sort of else. Um. There was one time when they 577 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:06,080 Speaker 1: crowned um, a law student Miss American. She didn't cry, 578 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:08,239 Speaker 1: and people at home just wrote in and they were like, 579 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,479 Speaker 1: you know, we want to see someone get really touched 580 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,400 Speaker 1: that they're the new Miss America. So it's the audience 581 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,880 Speaker 1: does want, you know, sort of a human But if 582 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:18,880 Speaker 1: you're a strong woman, is that I don't I mean 583 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:20,600 Speaker 1: I would hope I wouldn't cry if I was crowned 584 00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:24,959 Speaker 1: Miss America. So on the one hand, as Jessica Villenney 585 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:28,640 Speaker 1: pointed out in that Entertainment Weekly article, because Miss America 586 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,240 Speaker 1: is kind of become so irrelevant in pop culture, it 587 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:36,920 Speaker 1: might not be worth getting worked up over, um and on. 588 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 1: And in addition to that, I think it's kind of 589 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:43,160 Speaker 1: cool that Miss America is like the number one scholarship 590 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:45,560 Speaker 1: organization for young women in the US. I mean, they 591 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:47,640 Speaker 1: do all out, I think upwards of forty million dollars 592 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 1: a year for young women to go to uh to college. 593 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:52,760 Speaker 1: I mean, is it necessarily the best way to win 594 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 1: a scholarship? I mean, really, who's to say, well, it's 595 00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:57,080 Speaker 1: not I'm asking you who would what what would be 596 00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,840 Speaker 1: your qualifications of giving out a scholarship? What would be 597 00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:08,919 Speaker 1: my qualifications? UM? And mental challenges? Yes, but when people 598 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 1: tune in to watch that, I don't know a lot 599 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,800 Speaker 1: of people tune in to watch the spelling Bee. Spelling 600 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,120 Speaker 1: be is awesome, So maybe we need to start having 601 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:19,200 Speaker 1: spelling Bee while wearing a swimsuit competition? Yes, I think 602 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:23,880 Speaker 1: for Miss America we add in an improv section and 603 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:27,359 Speaker 1: something to do with cover lls you a cover all 604 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,680 Speaker 1: competitions over all competition, I don't know. I'd like to 605 00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:33,200 Speaker 1: see maybe a project Runway element where they have to 606 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:36,480 Speaker 1: make their evening gown before they wear make the evening 607 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:41,520 Speaker 1: gown out of coveralls. Boom, I'd watched that. Um. But 608 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:43,680 Speaker 1: I think that that's the question that I'd like to 609 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,319 Speaker 1: post our listeners is what what would be some good 610 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,080 Speaker 1: qualifications for a title of Miss America? And do we 611 00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,440 Speaker 1: even need Miss America anymore? Do you even watch it? 612 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,920 Speaker 1: And one final question, should we maybe change Miss America 613 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,200 Speaker 1: to Miss America? Come on, people? Stute thousand, Tim, you 614 00:34:58,200 --> 00:34:59,560 Speaker 1: sound like you would have been on that boardwalk in 615 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 1: nineteen six? Can you dig it? Molly? Which they described 616 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:05,600 Speaker 1: as being a groovy day. I really wish I could 617 00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 1: have been a writer in Well, we will leave you 618 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,759 Speaker 1: with that. Why don't we head on to a little 619 00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:18,319 Speaker 1: bit of listener mail? All right, I'm going to start 620 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,280 Speaker 1: off with a listener mail from Katie, who wrote about 621 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:25,240 Speaker 1: our Placenta podcast. She writes, I live on a cattle 622 00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,600 Speaker 1: ranch in Montana, so I feel confident saying that I've 623 00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,000 Speaker 1: seen many more placenta than most people my age, which 624 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,400 Speaker 1: is seventeen. And since you asked what it looked like, 625 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,359 Speaker 1: it is really gross. And I only say this because 626 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,000 Speaker 1: there's really no other word. I know you mostly mentioned 627 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,319 Speaker 1: human placenta, but I really can't see how it would 628 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:41,680 Speaker 1: be much different from a cow's. What I really want 629 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:43,879 Speaker 1: to tell was that, yes, placenta may have all sorts 630 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:45,640 Speaker 1: of goodies in it, but in my experience it does 631 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,560 Speaker 1: more bad than good. The water sack and general massive 632 00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,960 Speaker 1: it can cause suffocation if the mother isn't paying attention. Generally, 633 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:53,680 Speaker 1: the cows will take care of their babies and then 634 00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,200 Speaker 1: turn to eating the placenta. My family does not let 635 00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,120 Speaker 1: this happen if we can, because they can choke on it. 636 00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,800 Speaker 1: The last evil of placenta is that when dry, it 637 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,680 Speaker 1: smells to high heaven. However, there is hope for the stuff. 638 00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:05,799 Speaker 1: It is really disgusting, but my dogs love to eat 639 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,000 Speaker 1: the placenta that we take away from the cows. I 640 00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:09,960 Speaker 1: try to stop it as much as possible, but that's 641 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,080 Speaker 1: not There's not much that I can do. The upside 642 00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:15,320 Speaker 1: of this bad habit is that my dogs have visibly shinier, softer, 643 00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:19,960 Speaker 1: thicker coats, and stronger nails during capping season. Well, send 644 00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,839 Speaker 1: a dog food. Yes, there we go. All right? Well, 645 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:26,520 Speaker 1: I have an email here from Patrick and he said 646 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,400 Speaker 1: I just wanted to add a shout out to a 647 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,759 Speaker 1: friend of my family back in Yellow Springs, Ohio. This 648 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:35,080 Speaker 1: is in reference to our podcast we did about female directors. 649 00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,040 Speaker 1: Her name is Julia Reichert and she is a writer, director, 650 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,560 Speaker 1: producer of several documentaries, including, but not limited to, The 651 00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,239 Speaker 1: Last Truck Closing of a GM Plant, which has been 652 00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,560 Speaker 1: nominated for an Academy Award for Best Documentary. This is 653 00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:49,680 Speaker 1: her third nomination. I think it would be cool if 654 00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:53,319 Speaker 1: she got a shout out on your podcast. Patrick, your 655 00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:57,840 Speaker 1: wish is my command. Here you go, And unfortunately, I 656 00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,680 Speaker 1: think the oscars will have probably aired by the time 657 00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,480 Speaker 1: this is going live, because this is not happening in 658 00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:07,800 Speaker 1: real time. People. I'm sorry, but I really hope that 659 00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:12,000 Speaker 1: Julie record to calm an Oscar. So good luck and 660 00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,520 Speaker 1: thanks Patrick, And if you would like to drop us 661 00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:16,880 Speaker 1: a line as well, you can send us an email 662 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:20,279 Speaker 1: at mom stuff at how stuff works dot com. 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