1 00:00:01,840 --> 00:00:05,319 Speaker 1: Hi, guys, Welcome to a new episode of Legally Brunette. 2 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 2: But today it is. 3 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:08,480 Speaker 1: Going to be a very special episode because we are 4 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 1: doing a combined episode of Legally Brunette plus Killer Thriller. 5 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 1: So today instead of Shane as my sidekick, we have 6 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:17,280 Speaker 1: Alisa Donovan. 7 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 2: So thank you so much for being here today. 8 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:21,639 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, thank you for having me. 9 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:23,599 Speaker 1: Actually, I just have to say before I go into 10 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:25,959 Speaker 1: your bio a little bit. I am a child of 11 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 1: the nineties, so I grew up watching Clueless, and I 12 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 1: watched it. I don't know, I've probably seen it hundreds 13 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:33,479 Speaker 1: of times. I even think I watched it the other night, 14 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 1: just saying in. 15 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:37,839 Speaker 2: Bed, so could you just say she could be a 16 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 2: farmer in that outfit? Could you just do that please 17 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 2: for me? 18 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 3: She could be a farmer in those clothes. 19 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 2: That's not what I get a lot. So it's one 20 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:52,559 Speaker 2: of my favorite line of people want you to say 21 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:52,879 Speaker 2: when they. 22 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 3: Say they want me to say, my plastic surgeon doesn't 23 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 3: want me doing any activity where balls fly. 24 00:00:58,040 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 2: By my face. Right, right, that's a good way. 25 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 3: Which I didn't know what that joke meant when we. 26 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:05,479 Speaker 2: Shot the right I didn't know you when you did that. 27 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 2: It was twenty two flying at your face. 28 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 3: I didn't know what the joke was, like, why everyone 29 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:14,119 Speaker 3: thinks it's hilarious, And then sort of later in the shoot, 30 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 3: I was like. 31 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:19,400 Speaker 2: Everyone thinks it's so funny. 32 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 1: Night. Well, anyway, I feel like I'm in the presence 33 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: of nineties icon right now, and thank. 34 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 2: You for being here. 35 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:25,959 Speaker 3: Thank you so. 36 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 1: For over thirty years, Elisa Donovan has been a part 37 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:32,199 Speaker 1: of multiple iconic pulp culture phenomena, known for her roles 38 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 1: and Clueless Sabrina the Teenage Witch, and Beverly Hills nine 39 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 1: oh two one zero, just to name a few. In 40 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:42,399 Speaker 1: addition to your entertainment career, Alisa is passionate about supporting 41 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:45,679 Speaker 1: women struggling with eating disorders and is an advocate of 42 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 1: spreading awareness and recovery. In February of twenty twenty two, 43 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 1: when President Joe Biden proclaimed National Eating Disorders Awareness Week, 44 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 1: Alisa was a panelist for the groundbreaking conversation with the 45 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 1: White House Assistant Secretary for her Health. 46 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 2: Well, that's exciting. 47 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: It was pretty so you've been invited to the White 48 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 1: House and you've been there at. 49 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 3: The United Nations. Actually, yeah, it was really something. Wow, Yeah, 50 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:11,359 Speaker 3: that's very pretty amazing. 51 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 1: Alisa currently lives in San Francisco with her husband and daughter, 52 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:16,959 Speaker 1: and right before we started this podcast, we were talking 53 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 1: about how we just realized that we both have thirteen 54 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 1: year old daughters, which is that's a whole nother part. 55 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 3: The easiest thing on earth. I don't know why anybody 56 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 3: thinks it's hard. 57 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 2: All right, It's so easy, so easy. 58 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 1: I actually think we could do an entirely different podcast 59 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 1: just on raising thirteen year old daughters. 60 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 3: I think that we could too. I think that we 61 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:35,799 Speaker 3: could too. 62 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:40,520 Speaker 1: So Alisa has a podcast called Killer Thriller, which is 63 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 1: on the legally Brunette feed. So why don't you tell 64 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:45,079 Speaker 1: us a little bit about, like what's your passion with 65 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 1: true crime? How did you start this? What are some 66 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: of your favorite cases? 67 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 3: Yes, so, I am, you know, mildly, if not extremely, 68 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:58,119 Speaker 3: fiercely obsessed with true crime, and I always have been, 69 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 3: and I think I am clearly not alone in that. 70 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 3: And to me, it's really I'm so fascinated by the 71 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 3: human condition and human behavior and how we get to 72 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 3: these extreme places like is it absolutely unimaginable? Or oh, 73 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 3: can you see how a person could get to X Y? 74 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 4: And Z. 75 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:18,679 Speaker 3: So I've always looked at it from that perspective, and 76 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 3: then when we we thought about for this podcast, let's 77 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 3: talk about the narrative films and TVs that are based 78 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 3: on these real true crimes. So through the lens of 79 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:34,360 Speaker 3: how do you tell a narrative story and do justice 80 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 3: and make you know, it seems to me that the 81 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 3: common thread from everybody that I've spoken with is that 82 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 3: what you ultimately want to do is tell the emotional 83 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 3: truth of the story. Whereas sometimes they will shift certain 84 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 3: facts just to move the story forward, but essentially you 85 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 3: want to keep the emotional truth. So I can't tell 86 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 3: you how much it's really been fun, and it's been 87 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:00,160 Speaker 3: so fascinating. 88 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 1: What's a case that sticks out in your mind? What's 89 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: something because this is what I do, because this is 90 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 1: what we talk about. We talk about about true crime, 91 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 1: legal issues. You know, whatever's in mainstream media that people 92 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 1: are talking about currently that has to do with legal issues. 93 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 2: I lay in bed at night and think about it. 94 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 1: Oh, so, what's a case that just I mean, because 95 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 1: let's be honest, Karen Reid was in my mind for 96 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 1: a month's size. 97 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:24,239 Speaker 3: And you know how I even heard about Karen Reid 98 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:27,479 Speaker 3: was driving on the four or five and I see 99 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 3: people with signs that say free Karen Reid. Right, is 100 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 3: Karen Reid? I could not believe that. So I interviewed 101 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 3: Katie Cassidy, who plays Karen Reid in the Lifetime movie 102 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:43,359 Speaker 3: I that whole thing. What I find so fascinating about 103 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 3: all of them, The one that really stays with me 104 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:47,480 Speaker 3: is the Murdoch Murders. 105 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:48,480 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the Murdocks. 106 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh my god. So it's like the feeling of 107 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 3: the onion that just keeps going, and each thing that 108 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:59,799 Speaker 3: happens is more unbelievable than the next. And how diabolical 109 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 3: this man was. And it's everything. It's narcissism, it's gaslighting, 110 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 3: it's utter violence, it's domestic like, it's it has everything 111 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 3: in it. 112 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: And to think how someone could murder not only their wife, 113 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 1: but their son, but their son, their son, Yeah. 114 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:22,359 Speaker 3: It's so uh despicable. And I interviewed Mandy Mattney and 115 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 3: Liz Ferrell, who were the ones who started the podcast, 116 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:28,040 Speaker 3: the Murdoch Murders Podcast, and they sort of like broke 117 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:32,480 Speaker 3: the story. But Mandy also serves as an executive producer 118 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 3: of this Hulu series. So she was like this the 119 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:39,159 Speaker 3: perfect guest because she could speak to both things. 120 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 1: Was that the recreation that they had actors right, So 121 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 1: that was the dramatization that far. 122 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 3: Okay, Patricia ourcat, you know. 123 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 2: What I have to say. I think that was very 124 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 2: well done. I liked it. 125 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:53,160 Speaker 1: The only thing that bothered me so much was the 126 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 1: timeline they. 127 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 3: Threw the housekeeper. 128 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 2: Well, they threw the housekeeper into scenes, yes, where she 129 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:00,599 Speaker 2: had already died. 130 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:02,839 Speaker 3: So that and so bogged me. 131 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 2: So that part. 132 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 3: I didn't realize that until I did the research after 133 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:09,280 Speaker 3: of the timing and that it was something that's one 134 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:12,840 Speaker 3: of those things that they changed it because I think 135 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 3: she was already hadn't she already passed away by the 136 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:19,720 Speaker 3: time certain things happened, But they wanted to be able 137 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:23,159 Speaker 3: to tell the story in a continuous fashion that it 138 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:28,040 Speaker 3: made sense for her to still be alive. But I 139 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 3: to me that that stood out also. But it didn't 140 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 3: bug me. It bothered you. 141 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 1: It bothered me because I felt like it took away 142 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:36,799 Speaker 1: the credibility of the of the story and the facts. 143 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 1: Because to me, if you're watching it and you're aware 144 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 1: that they've thrown this housekeeper into stories where she was 145 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 1: already dead, but they had her continuing to have conversations 146 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: with the son and be involved in these scenes. And 147 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:50,600 Speaker 1: it made me think, I don't know if I trust 148 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 1: you with your interesting and your credibility. 149 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 3: I mean, that's a question that comes up. And I 150 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:59,479 Speaker 3: know from what Mandy said, they wanted to make sure 151 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 3: they were establishing the relationship between the housekeeper and Paul 152 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:08,040 Speaker 3: and that they had that like a real bond, so 153 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 3: that it would also sort of humanized him a little bit. 154 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 3: But also they tried to, you know, show things that 155 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 3: probably happened years before or months before it. 156 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 2: Right. Yeah, Well, let's move on into some current breaking news. 157 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: So we're going to talk about Savannah Guthrie's Today's Show interview. 158 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 1: So I don't know if you had the opportunity to 159 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 1: watch it. I know it's a two parter. Savannah Guthrie 160 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 1: has spoken publicly for the first time with Hoda Cottby 161 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 1: following the disappearance of her mother, Nancy. On the Wednesday, 162 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 1: March twenty fifth broadcast of Today, Cotby revealed that she 163 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 1: recently conducted an extended interview with guth Three. Cottby said 164 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 1: that the discussion was deeply emotional for everyone involved, including 165 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 1: co host Craig Melvin, al Roker and Carson Daily. Before 166 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 1: sharing a clip, she explained that Guthrie used part of 167 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 1: the interview to appear directly to anyone who might have information. 168 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 2: Now, have you seen any of the clips? 169 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 3: I says, yes, I did not see the full thing, 170 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 3: but I saw clips of it. 171 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 2: Yes. 172 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: What's your takeaway on where we're at in this? I mean, 173 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 1: it's been fifty four. 174 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:13,559 Speaker 2: Days at this point. 175 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 3: I first of all, it is just devastating to watch 176 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 3: anyone talk about someone who has the under these circumstances, 177 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 3: and I just see so much grief in her face 178 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 3: and the disbelief that this the I personally do not 179 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:36,559 Speaker 3: understand why they have not found they have no. I 180 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 3: don't understand it it possible. I mean, in that video 181 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 3: of the perpetrator at the door is so haunting, and 182 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 3: so the security video. I just don't understand how you know. 183 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 1: And I also don't understand because I mean with the 184 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 1: whole ransom situation and the emails coming in and asking 185 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 1: for the money, It's like, I don't understand how in 186 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 1: this age what they did that forensics and all the 187 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 1: things that we can do and how we you know, 188 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 1: find like the Golden State killer after thirty years. 189 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 2: Because of forensics and everything. 190 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 1: How we have video of this man, How we have 191 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 1: emails coming in and asking for ransom money, and how 192 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 1: it's been fifty four days and. 193 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 3: There's nothing break, there's zero, right, they don't have anything. 194 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:20,239 Speaker 2: Nothing, no information. 195 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 3: And then how she must feel to be so helpless, helpless, 196 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 3: like impotent to do anything, and that there's no I 197 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:33,439 Speaker 3: just find it. I find it. So it's just devastating. 198 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 1: So in the excerpt, Guthrie, visibly emotional, says, quote, someone 199 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 1: needs to do the right thing. We are in agony. 200 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 1: We are in agony. It is unbearable. She went on 201 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 1: to describe the toll this situation has taken, adding I 202 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 1: wake up every night and in the darkness, I imagine 203 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 1: her tear. 204 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 2: But she needs to come home now. I thought that was. 205 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 1: Very poignant when she said that, because she's laying in 206 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:57,719 Speaker 1: bed at night, in the. 207 00:09:57,760 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 2: Dark and visualizing what her mother went through. 208 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 1: She was woken up in the middle of the night 209 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 1: and kidnapped by someone, and there's blood on the porch 210 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:07,959 Speaker 1: and the back doors open, and you know, it's so. 211 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 3: Awful, and I I would imagine you know she's doing 212 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 3: this because you've got to try everything you can, right, 213 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:18,839 Speaker 3: and you don't know what is going to maybe touch 214 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 3: someone to say I do have some information or I 215 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:24,840 Speaker 3: do Like you just don't know what it's going to be, 216 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:28,960 Speaker 3: and I feel like it just takes so much. She 217 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 3: must just be exhausted, like utterly. 218 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know the fact that someone out there 219 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 2: knows something. This could not have been poled off by 220 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 2: one lonely person. 221 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 1: There have to be other people involved in this. So 222 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:45,440 Speaker 1: you know the fact that it's been fifty four days 223 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:47,960 Speaker 1: that there's no further information, that someone hasn't come forward, 224 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 1: it's just. 225 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:52,719 Speaker 3: You know, it's interesting. Elizabeth Smart made a statement on this, 226 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 3: and we also in Killer Thriller, I interviewed Skeet Ulrich, 227 00:10:56,280 --> 00:11:00,959 Speaker 3: who plays her perpetrator in the movie that she Mary's called. 228 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 3: I'm Elizabeth Smart. She is an extraordinary human being. But 229 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 3: she I remember her statement pretty early ish on, maybe 230 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 3: it was like two weeks in or something, and she 231 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 3: said something to the effect of do not give up hope, 232 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 3: because you know she was gone for nine months. Yeah, 233 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 3: and so she was saying things about the police are 234 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 3: doing everything they can, but it's really, the public and 235 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 3: the people that are around that can have some real impact. 236 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 3: So don't give up on this person. And it isn't 237 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 3: only the first forty eight hours, like you have to 238 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 3: keep searching. 239 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 1: Let's feel realistic for a second. It's been fifty four days. 240 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:43,840 Speaker 1: She's an older woman, she needs medication, and she wasn't 241 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:47,079 Speaker 1: in great health even I believe in the interview she 242 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 1: says something to the effect of her mom could barely 243 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: make it to the mailbox on some days. 244 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:55,199 Speaker 3: So yeah, I know ideal that she's still. 245 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 1: A happy ending in this situation, and I have to 246 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 1: say that, but I feel like at this point, I don't, 247 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:01,680 Speaker 1: I don't. 248 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:05,679 Speaker 3: I know, it doesn't look very encouraging. 249 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 1: Right, So let's talk about where Nancy Guthrie case is 250 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: at currently. We were just talking about how there isn't 251 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:21,080 Speaker 1: a lot of new information and in recent weeks there 252 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 1: have been no substantial discoveries in this case. The Guthrie 253 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 1: siblings are continuing to release statements urging Arizona residents to 254 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 1: search their memories and thanking the public for their continuous prayers. 255 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 1: I mean, really, I feel like they've exhausted all possibilities. 256 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 1: The police have done all the forensics. Like, obviously their 257 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 1: hope at this point is that someone remembers something, sees something, 258 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:45,319 Speaker 1: says something. Right, And that's the only way I think 259 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 1: it's going to be solved at this point. 260 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 3: Right, because where I just did they do? They have 261 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 3: no thought about where she would be. I just can't. 262 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 3: I don't know. I find it so uh like discouraging 263 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 3: in general, Well, what is your. 264 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 2: Thought on I do believe? 265 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 1: Also in this interview, she does make reference to saying 266 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 1: that she believes that it might have something to do 267 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 1: with her, some type of stalking situation where someone has 268 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 1: an obsession with her, but then they can't get to her, 269 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:15,320 Speaker 1: so the nearest thing they can think of is to 270 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:18,079 Speaker 1: kidnap the mother and have and that's the way to. 271 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 2: Get at her. 272 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:21,440 Speaker 1: And I can't imagine having that feeling, not only like 273 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 1: we talked about, laying in bed at night and thinking 274 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 1: this is about my mom, now thinking this happened to 275 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 1: my mother because of me and my public persona and 276 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 1: who I am, and then living with that. 277 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:37,199 Speaker 3: Oh God, it's just so much to metabolize. And I 278 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 3: that was the first thing that I thought when I 279 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:43,680 Speaker 3: heard about this was that they must be kidnapping her 280 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 3: for the financial gain that Savannah could give to that. 281 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 2: Like, that's to be connected in some way otherwise. 282 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 3: To be connected, why use this person in the middle 283 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:53,559 Speaker 3: of nowhere exactly? 284 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:57,680 Speaker 1: Sorry, Well, we will continue to follow the story, obviously, 285 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 1: we will hope for the best in this case. We 286 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 1: will let you know when we get any new updates. 287 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 3: I do hope that she feels I think she does 288 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 3: feel that, truly, like the whole nation is pulling for her, 289 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 3: and people really are. I think their hearts are really 290 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:16,200 Speaker 3: with her, and I have to believe that that means something. 291 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 3: I really do think it does. 292 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 2: I think so all right, let's move on. If you 293 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 2: you would have to live under. 294 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 1: A rock to not know who Taylor Frankie Paul is 295 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 1: at this point in time and life. I can't even 296 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 1: pull up my phone without seeing her image. 297 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:34,119 Speaker 2: She's everywhere everywhere. 298 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 1: So let's talk about Taylor Frankie Paul's domestic violence allegations 299 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 1: and the Bachelorette. So back in February of twenty twenty three, 300 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 1: this was the initial incident. So Taylor Frankie Paul was 301 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 1: arrested in Utah after a violent altercation with her boyfriend 302 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 1: and baby daddy Dakota Mortenson, and I don't know. 303 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 2: Do you watch the. 304 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 1: Do not how the Mormon Housewives, The sacret Lives of 305 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 1: Mormon Wives. Okay, I did watch season one, and they 306 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 1: did showcase this domestic violence issue. 307 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 3: They did. 308 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 1: They showed some of the police bodycam footage. They talked 309 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 1: about it, but I feel like it was downplayed a lot. 310 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 2: Oh my god. 311 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 3: So they knew about it and had some of it, 312 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 3: and they just continued with her rightway. 313 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 1: So then, according to court documents and this surface video 314 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 1: that has just magically appeared, did you see it? 315 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 2: I did see it. 316 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 1: So she threw metal chairs in a wooden place set 317 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: at him, and one object reportedly hit her young daughter, 318 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 1: who was present at the time. I believe she was 319 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 1: sitting if you watch the video, I think she was saying. 320 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 2: On the couch. 321 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 3: She's sitting on the couch. 322 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. 323 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 1: I think the difference between the weight of what she 324 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 1: did in twenty twenty three was in twenty twenty three. 325 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 2: That video was never released. 326 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 1: That's right, And I think it's very easy for people 327 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 1: to read, oh, domestic violence altercation. They show a little 328 00:15:57,400 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 1: bodycam footage of her talking to the police saying we 329 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 1: got in a fight, and I think people easily can. 330 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 2: Brush that off and move past it. Yep. 331 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 1: Once the video of that twenty twenty three incident came 332 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 1: out and you saw the full. 333 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 3: Feet, you cannot unsee it. It's so upsetting it as 334 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 3: a parent, as a human being, but especially as a mother, 335 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 3: I'm like you, she should be arrested. This is outrageous, 336 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 3: Like that person is unhinged. 337 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 2: And the fact that it wasn't just one chair, right, right, 338 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 2: that's right, it was. 339 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 1: Yes, Maybe I could give her the benefit of the 340 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 1: doubt and think, Okay, in that moment, you just you 341 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 1: lost your you lost your crap and you picked it 342 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 1: up and you threw it at him, and you didn't 343 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 1: immediately recoil and say. 344 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 2: Oh my god, I can't believe I acted like that. 345 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 1: You threw another chair and then you came at him again, 346 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 1: and then there's like a play set involved. 347 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, and you hear your child crying, but you're 348 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 3: still going to get another chair, Like I don't, I can't. 349 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 3: It seems very irredeemable, like she, I don't know how 350 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 3: she's gonna get past that. 351 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 1: Right, So then this is that twenty twenty three incident 352 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 1: she was charged with aggravated assault, domestic violence in the 353 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 1: presence of a child, child abuse, and other counts. 354 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:12,200 Speaker 2: So then in August of twenty twenty. 355 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:17,440 Speaker 1: Three, she enters a plea in abeyance to felony aggravated assaults. 356 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 1: If she complies with the conditions, which is probation treatment, 357 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:24,440 Speaker 1: no new crimes, the charge can be reduced to a misdemeanor, 358 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:28,160 Speaker 1: and the other charges were dismissed. And then, as we've 359 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 1: talked about, this video from the twenty twenty three incident 360 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 1: has resurfaced, or not resurfaced, it just surface which was 361 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:38,919 Speaker 1: recorded by Dakota Mortenson and has been released. I assume 362 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:41,160 Speaker 1: this was just my assumption because I think TMD maybe 363 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 1: was the first one to release think I assume that 364 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:46,479 Speaker 1: he was just so over her that maybe was the 365 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:49,399 Speaker 1: one that sent it to TM. Yes, because I know 366 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 1: there's a lot of speculation. Even some people were saying 367 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 1: maybe one of the other wives on the show were the. 368 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:55,639 Speaker 2: Ones that released it. 369 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 1: You know, I mean, maybe in a show like that, 370 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 1: he sent it to them and said, is what I'm 371 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:00,919 Speaker 1: dealing with. 372 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:03,640 Speaker 2: I tried to get it, you know, I don't know. 373 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:05,199 Speaker 2: My assumption was that it was happened. 374 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 3: That's one hundred percent what I assumed, right. 375 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:11,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, because I tell you, public perception of her, I 376 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 1: think really changed once that video was released, at least 377 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 1: according to what I see without a doubt. 378 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 3: I mean, I also will I personally had never heard 379 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 3: of her before this, so I didn't know anything about it. 380 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 3: And then I went and immediately, initially you think a 381 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:31,160 Speaker 3: woman accused of domestic violence, I always question it and say, 382 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 3: what did he do first to make her do this? 383 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:37,880 Speaker 3: You know, and even when you watch the video, if 384 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 3: it didn't go the way it went, I might have 385 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 3: continued to think that you know that he has that 386 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 3: he was like provoking her into doing something he's gastling. 387 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 3: But then when you see what actually happens, I went, 388 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 3: oh my god. 389 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 2: Well, her level of aggression is unreal. 390 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 3: No, it's unreal. 391 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:58,359 Speaker 1: And can't explain it away, you can't make excuses for it. 392 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:00,880 Speaker 2: There were multiple times where she just it just walked away. 393 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:04,639 Speaker 3: He stopped, and then goes at him, comes back, it, 394 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:06,120 Speaker 3: thinks about it and does it again. 395 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 2: Exactly. 396 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, So I mean, it's it's so egregious to look 397 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 1: at and it's so awful. So that same day ABC 398 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:16,640 Speaker 1: pulled the plug on Taylor's season of the Bachelorette, which 399 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 1: was set to air just three days later on March 400 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:23,159 Speaker 1: twenty second. ABC is allegedly losing between thirty and seventy 401 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 1: million dollars after this cancelation. In addition, filming for season 402 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 1: five of the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives was paused 403 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 1: as Taylor's co stars refuse to film with her. So 404 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 1: do you watch the Bachelor Bachelorette series? 405 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:38,159 Speaker 3: They don't watch it. 406 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 2: I'm too old to watch it. 407 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:41,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like I just can't. 408 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 2: I just can't either. I don't sorry, I don't. 409 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 3: Mean any judgment, no judgment, judgement island. 410 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 2: I don't watch it. You don't watch I feel like 411 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:49,680 Speaker 2: I'm just too old to stuff. 412 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:51,640 Speaker 3: Clearly like too depressing. 413 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 2: Clearly we're watching true crime. 414 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:57,680 Speaker 3: We don't exactly we're watching the aftermath the Bachelor. 415 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 1: You know what bothers me though the Bachelor att was 416 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 1: well aware of these incidents. 417 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 3: Well, this is what I was going to say. Listen, 418 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 3: I've done one reality well two in my life. Well, 419 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:10,399 Speaker 3: I did the Worst Cooks of America show, right, the 420 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 3: celebrity version. I'll bele from the over for dinner. So 421 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 3: I actually am a great cook. But so that show, 422 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 3: they do background checks on you, They do like I 423 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 3: not only did I have it, like a psychological interview 424 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:29,719 Speaker 3: my husband. Yes, they do all of these things. So 425 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 3: there is no way that they were unaware this tape. 426 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 3: They knew, and they just said we're going to shut it. 427 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:40,919 Speaker 1: Down, right, And then when that video got released, they 428 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:44,159 Speaker 1: were like, now you can't talk your way out of 429 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 1: this one, so we just have to cancel it. 430 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,200 Speaker 3: I just can't understand why would they choose of all 431 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:51,199 Speaker 3: the people there were other people they could choose to 432 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 3: be the bachelor? Like why her? 433 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 2: I don't know. 434 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 1: And she clearly still had ties to Dakota because he 435 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 1: even talks about in an interview or something that they 436 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 1: had sex right the night before she left to go 437 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:02,720 Speaker 1: film The Bachelorette. 438 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:04,959 Speaker 2: Oh my god, So it's like, what were you thinking? 439 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 2: Can you know? I don't know. 440 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 1: I don't see a future for this franchise at this point, 441 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 1: but we will see what happens. All right, Let's move 442 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 1: on to this story that I find extremely interesting. 443 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 2: Oh my god, this is first of all, have do 444 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 2: you know what corn hole is? Let's let's start there. 445 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 3: Let's start there. I do know what cornhole is, because 446 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 3: we do have friends with homes in Sonoma and NAPA, 447 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 3: and I got a corn hole in the backyard. I 448 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 3: do know what that is. 449 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:46,119 Speaker 2: Okay. I didn't know that you could be a cornhole champion. 450 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 3: Well I didn't know that, Okay, Okay, to be fair, 451 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 3: I didn't know that. 452 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 1: And I guess the Cornhole Association is trying to get 453 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:53,119 Speaker 1: into the Olympics. 454 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:56,120 Speaker 2: I did not know that either, So all right, let's 455 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 2: start there. 456 00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 3: Not so good for that. 457 00:21:57,920 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 1: This is a very interesting case. That is a recent 458 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 1: and the news. A professional cornhole player and also quadruple 459 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:09,159 Speaker 1: amputee is accused of murder. So this is a young man. 460 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 1: He's twenty seven years old. He is a professional cornhole 461 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:14,879 Speaker 1: player in the American Cornhole League and his name is 462 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 1: Dayton Weber. And he became widely known as a quadruple amputee, 463 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:20,639 Speaker 1: which he lost. 464 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 3: So he lost means limbs, all limbs that were. 465 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 2: Lost as an infant. 466 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:28,120 Speaker 1: I believe he had a severe blood infection, so all 467 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 1: limbs were removed. He gained attention for being highly independent. 468 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 1: He drives, he competes in sports, and he even handles firearms. 469 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:42,600 Speaker 1: Despite his disability. So I actually watched some videos of 470 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:46,159 Speaker 1: him firing a nine milimeter How does this happen? To 471 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:48,200 Speaker 1: watch it three times so I can't figure it out. 472 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 1: But he doesn't have fingers, so I was watching. I 473 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 1: watched the video multiple times because I was trying to 474 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:56,479 Speaker 1: understand because it shows the gun popping off right right, 475 00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:58,479 Speaker 1: So I'm like, how is he pulling the trigger? 476 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:01,160 Speaker 2: But somehow he's able to pull the trigger. Wow. 477 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 1: Anyway, so we know that he can fire a fire arm. Okay, 478 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,879 Speaker 1: so let's talk about what allegedly happened. Is this has 479 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:11,359 Speaker 1: happened recently. On March twenty second, Weber was driving a 480 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:15,200 Speaker 1: car a car in Charles County, Maryland with three other people, 481 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 1: so I believe he had his friend with him in 482 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 1: the front seat, and then he stopped and two other 483 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:24,120 Speaker 1: people I think they worked together or something, jumped into 484 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 1: the backseat. 485 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 2: So then there's four people in the car that're driving along. 486 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:32,240 Speaker 1: A police say that Weber, the ampute that's driving, got 487 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:34,959 Speaker 1: into a very heated argument with this front seat passenger. 488 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:39,399 Speaker 1: And this man's name is Bradrick Michael Wells. I guess 489 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 1: it was so heated that he while he's driving reaches over, 490 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:48,400 Speaker 1: shoots and gets a gun and picks him. 491 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 2: A gun and shoots him twice in the head while he's. 492 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:54,959 Speaker 3: Driving at extraordinarily close range. Yes, and did they not 493 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:56,640 Speaker 3: even get in a car extit? There was no leg. 494 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 2: Nor I think he was the time. 495 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,159 Speaker 1: Then I believe he asked so the two witnesses in 496 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,400 Speaker 1: the back, he asked them to get the guy out 497 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 1: of that he just killed, because he died from the 498 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 1: shooting in the. 499 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 3: Car, to clean him out. 500 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:10,440 Speaker 1: He asked them to get him out of the car. 501 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,399 Speaker 1: Can you remove this guy from the car? They were like, 502 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,880 Speaker 1: they jump out of the car and then flag down 503 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 1: a police officer and tell the police what happened. 504 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 3: So, this is the craziest story ever. This is insane. 505 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,359 Speaker 1: So he then he drives on with the dead body 506 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,359 Speaker 1: in his car in the front seat, and then I 507 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 1: allegedly dumps the body just on like the side of 508 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:36,880 Speaker 1: the road somewhere. 509 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 3: This is uh madness, like this is and where? And 510 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,439 Speaker 3: so they did catch him, right they did? So. 511 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 1: Investigators say that he drove off with the body still 512 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 1: in the car, and the victim was later found dumped 513 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:54,719 Speaker 1: in a yard in Maryland somewhere. And then he was 514 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 1: tracked to Charlottesville, Virginia. Oh, he was found at a 515 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 1: hospital seeking treatment. But I don't understand how injured. 516 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 3: Right, because I mean maybe getting the guy out of 517 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,680 Speaker 3: the car. It could be like a multitude of things. 518 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 1: So he got injured somehow badly enough that he felt 519 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,360 Speaker 1: like he needed to go to the hospital and have 520 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:15,120 Speaker 1: his injuries looked at. 521 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,480 Speaker 3: I don't know. And now he's in custody. 522 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 2: Correct, he is in custody. 523 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:24,680 Speaker 1: Yes, So he was arrested at the hospital and he 524 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 1: was arrested as a fugitive. 525 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 2: But you know, I mean, I mean these. 526 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,440 Speaker 3: This is again, I don't you know. I can't wait 527 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 3: for the movie about this one because this is really 528 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 3: I'm saying, you can't even make it up. 529 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 1: This is a TV movie, this is a documentary. This 530 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 1: is something because it's the whole thing about his life. 531 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 2: And then the corn Hole and the corn Hole champion a. 532 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 3: Person to achieve so much, which it sounds like he 533 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:57,199 Speaker 3: did to throw it all away in this way, Like 534 00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:01,199 Speaker 3: I just I don't I find it so fascinating, Like 535 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 3: how do you this man has had to work so 536 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 3: hard in his life to do anything, so many things, 537 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 3: overcome so many things, I know, and it's like it 538 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:12,200 Speaker 3: does he just furious? What did they fight about? 539 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:14,679 Speaker 2: That's my question too, That is the million. 540 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 3: Dollar question from the guys in the back seat. 541 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 2: No, I want to know that. What was the argument about? 542 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 2: And why are you driving around with a nine millimeter 543 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,119 Speaker 2: in your car? All of it just it must have 544 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 2: just been laying right there, easily accessible to I don't 545 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:29,199 Speaker 2: even know. 546 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 1: All right, So he is expected to face charges including 547 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 1: first degree murder, second degree murder, and use of a 548 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 1: firearm and a felony. 549 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,120 Speaker 2: Well you know the first degree murder. Though first degree. 550 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,920 Speaker 1: Murder is premeditated, so I don't really understand the first Yeah, 551 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 1: what would how? 552 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:46,960 Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't think that one's really to me. 553 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:48,640 Speaker 1: It seems like a heat of the moment type of thing, 554 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 1: other than he did have the gun in the vehicle. 555 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 2: But I don't know. 556 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,359 Speaker 1: We just need more facts. We need to know the conversation, 557 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 1: We need to know the argument. How long was he 558 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 1: in the car? 559 00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:58,840 Speaker 3: I don't know, right, So maybe they do that because 560 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,200 Speaker 3: they can. If the gun was already in there, then 561 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,960 Speaker 3: it could be considered previnisa. 562 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 2: So let's just throw everything at him possible, just and 563 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:11,119 Speaker 2: go from there. So it has been so fun talking 564 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,359 Speaker 2: to you. I hope you get to do this again. 565 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:14,200 Speaker 2: I hope you do too. 566 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 1: I would love to discuss more cases and get your 567 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:17,640 Speaker 1: thoughts and. 568 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,680 Speaker 4: I love it so I would love to do that, 569 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,159 Speaker 4: all right, So guys, please be sure to listen to 570 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:26,920 Speaker 4: Killer Thriller with Alisa Donovan and tell me your thoughts 571 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 4: and tell us what cases you want us to discuss. 572 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 2: I'd love to hear all the things. 573 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 1: And if you have more information about the Cornhole player, 574 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 1: please send me a DM because I really feel like 575 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,880 Speaker 1: I need to fill in some blanks. 576 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 3: Then sort of info. 577 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:41,720 Speaker 2: Yes, I would love that. 578 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 1: So anyway, thank you guys so much for listening. 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