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Speaker 1: into our mail bag. First question, where do you land
Speaker 1: on the Nuggets trading for Zach Levine. I don't think
Speaker 1: he's an upgrade over Michael Porter Junior and with more
Speaker 1: health concerns. Also, I saw a trade rumor of the
Speaker 1: Spurs getting Fox with the Kings let him go. I
Speaker 1: think he'd make an impact on the Spurs in a
Speaker 1: big way, and like the fit so on the Levine front.
Speaker 1: I've been talking about this with the Nuggets for a while.
Speaker 1: I think Michael Porter Junior's off balls scoring is so important.
Speaker 1: And do I think Zach Lavine is a better offensive
Speaker 1: player than Michael Porter Junior. Yeah, I do. I think
Speaker 1: he's a much better on ball player that also is
Speaker 1: a good off ball threat. But when the Nuggets are
Speaker 1: at their best, Michael Porter Junior is part of the
Speaker 1: size problem they give people. You end up having to
Speaker 1: put big bodies on Jokic and Gordon, and then you
Speaker 1: end up wanting to put a pretty big perimeter defender
Speaker 1: on Jamal Murray because there are a lot of switches
Speaker 1: that take place against the Murrayjokic two man game, just
Speaker 1: because Jokic sets monster screens and so that guy has
Speaker 1: to be able to peel off and box out and
Speaker 1: like battle in a post up mismatches stuff like that.
Speaker 1: So you're usually putting your three biggest players on Jamal Murray, Jokic,
Speaker 1: and Aaron Gordon, and so a lot of times Michael
Speaker 1: Porter Junior has like a pretty substantial size advantage, and
Speaker 1: he could do damage on the offensive glass there, right,
Speaker 1: he can shoot over the top of them. He's an
Speaker 1: even bigger spacing threat because of his height in that
Speaker 1: sort of situation. Right. And then also just when Michael
Speaker 1: Porter Junior is locked in, he's a pretty solid off
Speaker 1: ball defender in defensive rebounder, which are areas where Zach
Speaker 1: Lavine can struggle sometimes. So I look at Michael Porter
Speaker 1: Junior and the gap between him and Zack Lavine as
Speaker 1: not substantial enough to justify the loss of losing a
Speaker 1: guy like Michael Porter Jr. Now, if I was under
Speaker 1: the impression that Jamal Murray was just going to be
Speaker 1: bad and that he's never going to be the same,
Speaker 1: now we change the discussion because Jamal Murray and what
Speaker 1: he does is actually more important even than when Michael
Speaker 1: Porter Junior does. And if Jamal Murray's not going to
Speaker 1: do that, you got to find somebody to do that role.
Speaker 1: And a guy like Zach Lavine can help. But up
Speaker 1: until the Sun's game where Jamal struggled, Jamal has been
Speaker 1: playing pretty good as of late and has been gaining
Speaker 1: steam as a score both in volume and an efficiency.
Speaker 1: So like, I think the best bet for the Nuggets
Speaker 1: at this point is, Yeah, if you can make a
Speaker 1: small tweak somewhere to just bring in talent, that makes sense.
Speaker 1: Flipping a smaller contract for a better smaller contract, whatever,
Speaker 1: That's fine if you want to anchor bench unit or
Speaker 1: give yourself another option in case like the Christian Brown
Speaker 1: minutes aren't what you want in a playoff setting or
Speaker 1: something like that, Sure, by all means make that type
Speaker 1: of move. But an aggressive move that involves Michael Porter
Speaker 1: Junior has some upside but also has a lot of
Speaker 1: downside involving the loss of a very integral part of
Speaker 1: what's made the Nuggets the Nuggets in recent years. So
Speaker 1: I wouldn't give up Michael Porter Junior, not unless you
Speaker 1: were getting like a bona fide superstar back. Even then
Speaker 1: they would have to be a gifted off ball scorer.
Speaker 1: So like even the like Jimmy Butler idea I don't
Speaker 1: love because of just how important Michael Porter Junior is
Speaker 1: as an off ball scorer. So again I'd bet on
Speaker 1: Jamal getting right and I make smaller moves on the
Speaker 1: margins to try and improve the talent the deer and
Speaker 1: Fox piece with the like with the Kings, let him go.
Speaker 1: It depends on how ugly things get right, Like it's
Speaker 1: really difficult to bail on a move, like you kind
Speaker 1: of go all in on this group by by bringing
Speaker 1: into Marta Rozen. It's like a reinvestment in offense, and
Speaker 1: a lot of times it's gonna have to get uglier
Speaker 1: before a group is a front office is willing to
Speaker 1: admit they were wrong about something and kind of back
Speaker 1: out of that idea. But it could continue to get
Speaker 1: worse that get blown out by the Pacers. They got
Speaker 1: to go play that Lakers team that's beat him three
Speaker 1: times already this year again on Saturday. Like if things
Speaker 1: continue to spiral and suddenly they find themselves three, four
Speaker 1: or five games back of the plane, they might end up,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of deciding to blow this thing up.
Speaker 1: And like there's another King's Uh, let's just go to
Speaker 1: the next king's question here so that we can get
Speaker 1: into it. Well, actually, there's second the second part of
Speaker 1: the question. I think he'd make an impact on the
Speaker 1: Spurs in a big way. I said this the other day.
Speaker 1: I love the idea of Deer and Fox going to
Speaker 1: the Spurs. Actually, let all three of these questions are related,
Speaker 1: so let's just kind of go into them one by one.
Speaker 1: Dear Jason, I understand that adding a point guard of
Speaker 1: Deer and Fox's caliber could turn the San Antonio Spurs
Speaker 1: into a contending team now, but why rush the Spurs
Speaker 1: drafted Stefan drafted Stefan Castle, a defensive guard with the
Speaker 1: offensive upside of Darius Carlin or Drew Holliday. With Chris
Speaker 1: Paul starting, Castle hasn't had the opportunities to freely develop
Speaker 1: his offensive side, and once CP three leaves or gets traded,
Speaker 1: will be able to do just that. Additionally, the Spurs
Speaker 1: have several picks in the upcoming twenty twenty five draft,
Speaker 1: which is a lotted as a deep draft. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: put it past them to find another diamond in the
Speaker 1: rough as they did with Castle. I agree that Victor's
Speaker 1: level of play and a good trade. I agree that
Speaker 1: with Victor's level of play in a good trade, the
Speaker 1: Spurs could compete right away, but I think they should
Speaker 1: wait till until the next season. So a couple things.
Speaker 1: It's complicated. Victor Eminyama is ahead of schedule, and so
Speaker 1: if you can't, other young players develop much more slowly. So,
Speaker 1: for instance, like let's say Victor is right now available
Speaker 1: or able to be the best player in a championship team,
Speaker 1: which I believe he is right now, you don't rip
Speaker 1: off the numbers he's been putting up and having the
Speaker 1: positive impact on the scoreboard that he's been having unless
Speaker 1: you're ready for that. Right a player that gets drafted
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five, when is that guy going to
Speaker 1: be ready to con play at a championship level? Probably
Speaker 1: a while. We've just seen so many examples of that
Speaker 1: over the years, where young players struggle when they get
Speaker 1: to that level. The development arc for Wemby is different.
Speaker 1: The development arc for Wemby is like this, and the
Speaker 1: development arc for other players is more steady and slow.
Speaker 1: So you've got to find a way to kind of
Speaker 1: bridge that gap. Here's the thing. You're not giving up
Speaker 1: all your draft capital in the trade. You're not giving
Speaker 1: upway all your young players in the trade. Let's say,
Speaker 1: for instance, it's like, you've got all these young players
Speaker 1: that you really like, right, You've got Stefan Castle, You've
Speaker 1: got Jeremy Sohan, You've got you know, a Devin Vessel.
Speaker 1: You don't want to give up all three of them.
Speaker 1: But yeah, Like if you could give up one or
Speaker 1: two of them and you have a ton of draft picks,
Speaker 1: and you give up three or four of them, but
Speaker 1: you still have a bunch of draft capital, then you
Speaker 1: provide Victor wemin Yama with instantaneous support a player that
Speaker 1: can meet him at his level or at least near
Speaker 1: it right away, so they have an opportunity to compete
Speaker 1: while still having draft capital that you can use to
Speaker 1: try to improve the team on the draft, while still
Speaker 1: having young talent. You might have to pick one. You
Speaker 1: might have to look at the situation and be like,
Speaker 1: do we like Devin Vessel more, we might like Steph
Speaker 1: Castle more. Well, we're gonna fight like hell to keep
Speaker 1: Steph Castle, so be it. But you got to figure
Speaker 1: out what you prioritize internally. And it's not about giving
Speaker 1: up the entire farm. There's way too much discussion when
Speaker 1: it comes to these trades of like giving up the
Speaker 1: entire farm. You can't. It's not possible. Like there's just
Speaker 1: there's rules that the Stepien rule stops you from giving
Speaker 1: up all of your draft capital. Like there's a lot
Speaker 1: of different rules in place to stop that from happening.
Speaker 1: It's about cashing in some of that to give yourself
Speaker 1: a better opportunity to win in the short term while
Speaker 1: still being savvy in the big picture with your player
Speaker 1: development and your scouting department. Did the Kings make the
Speaker 1: same mistake in acquiring Derozen in the same way the
Speaker 1: Suns did when they got bal Seems like both teams
Speaker 1: over indexed on offense and skill and are now dealing
Speaker 1: with the same roster limitations. At the time of the
Speaker 1: Demart de Rosen trade, I said that I liked it
Speaker 1: in the context of something to upgrade the front court,
Speaker 1: but that I didn't understand what they were planning to
Speaker 1: do on that front, right, And that's been the issue, right,
Speaker 1: Like there's upside here that I talked about when the
Speaker 1: when de Rosen got signed DeRozan taking on offensive workloads
Speaker 1: should in theory, free up Deer and Fox to do
Speaker 1: more work defensively. That matters if your front court can't
Speaker 1: stop anything and That's really the issue, and it is
Speaker 1: the same thing we talked about with Bradley Beal, which
Speaker 1: is diminishing returns. Demart Derozen can help this offense and
Speaker 1: can help dearon Fox, but would you be better off
Speaker 1: spending that twenty million dollars salary slot on a really
Speaker 1: high level role player that defends and competes and does
Speaker 1: all these athletic things in which player contributes more to winning.
Speaker 1: That's why I was saying I like DeRozan in the
Speaker 1: context if they could also have brought in a forward
Speaker 1: that competes in defense and rebounds, because now I'm getting
Speaker 1: the upside of DeRozan offensively while still having guys that
Speaker 1: can compete and fight in the physical areas of the game.
Speaker 1: But if I go just for Derozen and I don't
Speaker 1: anchor the front court, now I have the diminishing returns
Speaker 1: of DeRozan, meaning I'm getting an upside, but not twenty
Speaker 1: something million dollars worth of upside. Right. The one thing
Speaker 1: I'll say, though, is DeRozan is on a very cost
Speaker 1: controlled deal and he does provide a very important piece
Speaker 1: of offensive shot creation that many teams around the league
Speaker 1: would He is a very tradable contract, and who knows,
Speaker 1: maybe you end up calling up someone like Orlando at
Speaker 1: the deadline and be like, we'll give you DeRozan and
Speaker 1: just give us a couple of your younger, better athletes
Speaker 1: and some draft compensation. Orlando gets to make a better
Speaker 1: push for things, and then you can maybe start rebuilding
Speaker 1: the right way. That's the advantage Like Deer Fox shit
Speaker 1: ton of trade value. Demarto Rosen probably more trade value
Speaker 1: than people realize because he's on such an inexpensive contract
Speaker 1: and he provides such a specific offensive ability, right, So like,
Speaker 1: if it gets uglier, you're actually set up for a
Speaker 1: really nice rebuild. You could bring in a shit ton
Speaker 1: of young talent and draft assets by flipping DeRozan in
Speaker 1: Fox should it come to that point. But again, it's
Speaker 1: like we talked about with the Suns. Would the Sons
Speaker 1: be better with Bradley Beal or Contavious Caledwell Pope? And
Speaker 1: like when like when Devin Booker's out, you love having
Speaker 1: Bradley bial because you need another guy who can really
Speaker 1: create shots. But when Devin Booker's in, I'd argue you
Speaker 1: want a guy who's a professional role player over a
Speaker 1: third creator. In those situations, the redundancy just makes it
Speaker 1: a little too a little too difficult to reap the
Speaker 1: rewards from when you are building things around Darren Fox,
Speaker 1: Malik Monk and Demarto Rosen three guys that Darren Fox
Speaker 1: is capable of being a good defender, but he's inconsistent
Speaker 1: with his effort there, and DeRozan and Fox are just bad.
Speaker 1: I have three great offensive players that are kind of
Speaker 1: getting in each other's way a little bit and not
Speaker 1: doing enough work on the other end of the floor
Speaker 1: to make up for it. Why are offensive ratings so
Speaker 1: much higher than a few years ago. Why does the
Speaker 1: middle of the pack team today have a comparable offensive
Speaker 1: rating to the twenty seventeen Warriors. Obviously it's a shift
Speaker 1: towards analytics and eliminating bad shots, but is there something
Speaker 1: more to it. It's that it's the eliminating of bad
Speaker 1: shots in the analytics, so just there's fewer mid range
Speaker 1: job shots uncon more quality attempts at the rim, and
Speaker 1: more quality attempts at the three point line, which are
Speaker 1: just worth more, right, But a big part of it
Speaker 1: is just player skill development. Shooting in general around the
Speaker 1: league has improved monumentally and as a result, teams are
Speaker 1: just really hard to guard. I talk about the back
Speaker 1: and forth evolution of offense and defense in the NBA.
Speaker 1: We are definitely in a phase where offenses are doing
Speaker 1: more damage and gaining ground, but the defenses around the
Speaker 1: NBA will evolve and meet them there. Like I talked about,
Speaker 1: it's going to come through sharpness and rotation and the
Speaker 1: ability to chase teams off the three point line and
Speaker 1: emphasizing speed in roster construction. Those are the things that
Speaker 1: I think are going to send the pendulum back the
Speaker 1: other way. But the pendulum is definitely very firmly on
Speaker 1: the offensive end at this point. Commenting after the Celtics
Speaker 1: lost to Orlando, But it feels like this year's team
Speaker 1: has struggled way more with Tatum off the floor than
Speaker 1: last year. This has extended with chrisps porzingis back. Are
Speaker 1: you seeing anything there that is different? Two things inconsistent
Speaker 1: defensive effort, especially in this last stretch. They haven't too
Speaker 1: many stretches where they're just not competing defensively. Kind of
Speaker 1: to be expected middle of the season for a defending
Speaker 1: champ that's already in great position in the standings, and
Speaker 1: then too, Jalen Brown just hasn't been very good this
Speaker 1: year and until he kind of gets to the point
Speaker 1: where he's a little bit better and sharper on both
Speaker 1: ends of the floor, I think they're going to struggle
Speaker 1: without Jason Tatum, but I don't expect that to be
Speaker 1: an issue. I do think Jalen Brown will eventually get
Speaker 1: it together. First off, I started watching basketball pretty recently,
Speaker 1: and until recently I was just a lucastan and a
Speaker 1: lot to do with your show, I'm becoming a basketball fan.
Speaker 1: One thing I've heard a lot is Spain pick and roll.
Speaker 1: Can you please explain this to a new fan of
Speaker 1: the sport? The simple concept? Thanks again for the content.
Speaker 1: We had somebody two weeks ago and the mail bags
Speaker 1: say like, hey, what if we did like just a
Speaker 1: basic segment where I just break down basketball concepts And
Speaker 1: I said, I'd be happy too as long as you
Speaker 1: guys present them to me. So like you tell me, hey,
Speaker 1: I don't understand this, can you explain this? I'd be
Speaker 1: happy to do that as part of our mail bags
Speaker 1: on Fridays. Spain Pick and Roll is a very very
Speaker 1: simple concept. All it is is a ballscreen. So my
Speaker 1: big is setting a screen for my ball handler, and
Speaker 1: he's rolling to the basket right, and the guard the
Speaker 1: ball handler is trying to turn the corner and get
Speaker 1: downhill in the ball screen. But I have a shooter
Speaker 1: instead of spacing, standing directly under the basket, and that
Speaker 1: guy is going to backscreen for the roleman's defender. So
Speaker 1: let's just take the Lakers for example, and let's pretend
Speaker 1: Lebron James is the ball handler, Anthony Davis is the big,
Speaker 1: and Austin Reeves is the screener. Okay, so Austin Reeves
Speaker 1: is under the basket, Lebron's turning the corner, Lebron's man
Speaker 1: is chasing over the top, Anthony Davis's man is dropping right,
Speaker 1: so he's dropping back and he's trying to keep Lebron
Speaker 1: and Ad in front of him, right. But as that's happening,
Speaker 1: Austin Reeves is screening him in the back, which makes
Speaker 1: it so that Lebron and Ad can go past him, right.
Speaker 1: So what inevitably ends up happening. This can be defended
Speaker 1: a bunch of different ways, but what most teams end
Speaker 1: up doing is the guy who's guarding Austin ends up helping,
Speaker 1: and he ends up being the guy that helps the
Speaker 1: big who just got backscreen. And so what inevitably ends
Speaker 1: up happening is Austin can then slip up to the
Speaker 1: top of the key and he's wide open for three.
Speaker 1: Lebron can swing it back and Austin can get a three.
Speaker 1: But the way the Reids work is if they don't
Speaker 1: help and you set a good screen, if Austin sets
Speaker 1: a good screen, Lebron's just gonna get a dunk. Lebron's
Speaker 1: just gonna go right to the rim because the only
Speaker 1: guy that can block him is Anthony Davis's man and
Speaker 1: he just got screened by Austin Reeves right. Or if
Speaker 1: Lebron doesn't like his chances at the rim, Anthony Davis
Speaker 1: can roll, and he could just throw it right up
Speaker 1: to Anthony Davis, right. But the Spain pick and roll.
Speaker 1: All it is is a ball screen with a shooter
Speaker 1: running a backscreen into the role man as he's going downhill.
Speaker 1: There's a bunch of different variations out of it, Like
Speaker 1: I've seen versions of it where the big Man actually
Speaker 1: rolls into Austin's man and he's trying to get Austin open.
Speaker 1: But it's basically that interchange between the shooter and the
Speaker 1: screener turning a two man action into a three man
Speaker 1: action in a ball screen, which again anytime you run
Speaker 1: a three man action and just increases opportunity for the
Speaker 1: defense to make mistakes. Last question, First off, I started, Okay,
Speaker 1: I had a Wolves question and I accidentally copy and
Speaker 1: pasted the same Spain pick and roll question, But basically
Speaker 1: I had someone just complaining about the Timberwolves offense. Talked
Speaker 1: about this a little bit yesterday, but to me, it's
Speaker 1: a broken roster construct because Jada McDaniels, Julius Randall, and
Speaker 1: Rudy Gobert. You're starting three, four five combine to make
Speaker 1: two point nine threes per game on thirty three point
Speaker 1: nine percent. That was the number before yesterday's win against Dallas.
Speaker 1: When you allow the other team to put their biggest,
Speaker 1: strongest interior defenders in the paint and not have to
Speaker 1: concern themselves with the outside shooting of the three or
Speaker 1: the five, you are making life hell for your perimeter
Speaker 1: players and everyone goes, what does Anthony Edwards always settle
Speaker 1: for jump shots? That's why, and I talked about this yesterday.
Speaker 1: But like yes, Anthony Edwards has ground to make as
Speaker 1: a playmaker. He needs to get better at kind of
Speaker 1: surveying the floor and reading the defense and managing games
Speaker 1: as the primary ball handler. But it's not supposed to
Speaker 1: be this hard either. This is a really hard way
Speaker 1: to play basketball, and inevitably, I would like to see
Speaker 1: Minnesota accentuate Anthony Edwards's greatest trait, which is his downhill athleticism,
Speaker 1: by creating space for him, by providing more shooting and
Speaker 1: offensive skill in the front court. And until they do that,
Speaker 1: they're going to continue to have these kinds of ugly
Speaker 1: stretches offensively because they're just too easy to guard in
Speaker 1: the half court because there's just not enough of perimeter
Speaker 1: threat coming from the front court. All right, guys, that's
Speaker 1: all I have for today is always I sincerely appreciate
Speaker 1: you guys for supporting me and supporting the show. I
Speaker 1: hope you have a great weekend and we'll be back
Speaker 1: on Monday with power rankings. Howpout to you guys. Then
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