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Speaker 1: of car problems, F one fifty pick them up truck

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Speaker 1: come into the shop recently at r Automotive with a

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Speaker 1: three point five V six. The three point five V

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Speaker 1: six has really started to come on strong in in

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Speaker 1: the last five or six years. For four they're they're

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Speaker 1: doing an awful lot with it. They have a bunch

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Speaker 1: of variations on it, turbo charge, non turbo charge, and

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Speaker 1: it's it's appearing across the board in a lot of vehicles.

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Speaker 1: But one of the things they're using as a common

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Speaker 1: denominator UH in these engines is regardless of whether it's

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Speaker 1: valve timing. You know, never did I realize or even

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Speaker 1: dream back when I was a kid. You know, you'd

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Speaker 1: start to play with cam advance and dialing in a

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Speaker 1: cam and over advance sing or retarding camera crank in

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Speaker 1: relation to each other to go faster or change power curve.

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Speaker 1: That manufacturers would start to do it electronically. Think of

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Speaker 1: it like this. You've got a bicycle. You've got a

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Speaker 1: bicycle with two sprockets in a chain. There. You paint

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Speaker 1: two red dots, one on the cam, one on the

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Speaker 1: and they both line up again. That's they're lined up

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Speaker 1: their top dead center. Now, when you want to create

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Speaker 1: Keeping that in mind, I started to diagnose this particular

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Speaker 1: It was a P double O fourteen. It was indicating

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Speaker 1: You know what Schmutz is. You gotta be from New Jersey,

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Speaker 1: New York. No it's not Tom's looking at Tony. No,

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Speaker 1: it's not Tony. That's another word, all right. Schmutz is

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Speaker 1: that that biodegradable, non consumable uh pile of grit and

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Speaker 1: them with regards to where schmittz comes from sludge, that

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Speaker 1: they've really got to be using an oil that's rated

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Speaker 1: to go that distance, and they've got to be using

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Speaker 1: an oil filter that's rated to go longer distance. You know,

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Speaker 1: we don't talk about oil filters a lot. Before I

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Speaker 1: about oil filters a lot. And one of the things

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Speaker 1: be mindful when you're picking oil, when you're picking oil filters.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm going to tell you you want to

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Speaker 1: go out to Penns Oil and read all about Penns

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Speaker 1: Oil Synthetics Penn's Oil Synthetics dot Com and and look

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Speaker 1: at what they've got going on. But I'm also going

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Speaker 1: to tell you that, you know, we don't talk about

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Speaker 1: wicks enough, and we should we use wicks in the shop. Um.

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Speaker 1: They weren't doing proper oil, they weren't using a good

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Speaker 1: the valve timing actuators. It built up sludge, it allowed

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Speaker 1: the engine to varnish up early. Things weren't being done properly.

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Speaker 1: So my point becomes, as good as they are, they

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Speaker 1: still only work as well as you allow them to

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Speaker 1: by what sort of maintenance you give them. Bottom line.

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Speaker 1: I cleaned the actuator, I cleaned both actuators actually, and

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Speaker 1: in a put in a wis, put in some Penns

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Speaker 1: oil synthetic. One of the nice things about Penn's oil

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Speaker 1: it's got a nasty streak to it. For lack of

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Speaker 1: a better way to put it, It will help break

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Speaker 1: down sludge and varnish and clean it up. And we're

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Speaker 1: gonna bring that vehicle back in abouts and change the

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Speaker 1: oil again, just to do it early. I also want

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Speaker 1: to cut the filter open and see what sort of

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Speaker 1: contaminants trapped in there. I saw all kinds of squiggly,

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Speaker 1: filter that's gonna come out, we'll get looked at. Also,

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Speaker 1: bottom line, did a good oil change Penn's oil Wicks

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Speaker 1: put it together out the road has been out there

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Speaker 1: about two and a half weeks, haven't had the problem reoccur.

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Speaker 1: And that just goes to show you how something as

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Speaker 1: small as schmutz All right, Um, particularly you don't think

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Speaker 1: the oil change can can create a performance problem. It does,

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Speaker 1: so what they're using, how they're using it, how often

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Speaker 1: think it's shrinking. But um, you know, if you're doing that,

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Speaker 1: if you're doing it on your own, by all means,

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Speaker 1: make sure you're using good quality stuff. Because as simple

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Speaker 1: as you may think your vehicle is, nothing's that simple anymore.

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Speaker 1: go and talk to Scott Detroit, Michigan. Scott, you can't

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Speaker 1: What could be wrong with this Ford truck? Yeah, that

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Speaker 1: doesn't make any sense. I'm not entirely sure. At first

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Speaker 1: I needed a battery prematurely. The trucks, only two years old,

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Speaker 1: has about sixty three thousand miles on it. I bought

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Speaker 1: it in um. It's charging and fine. I wasn't really

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Speaker 1: it needed a new fuel cut off relay. So when

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Speaker 1: this in my hand. It small as bad. Okay, maybe

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Speaker 1: it's bad, I don't know. In a few weeks later,

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, nothing would happen, No instrumentation will

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Speaker 1: the harness. And they claim the harness had corroach minutes

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Speaker 1: near the front of the engine or let's say, you

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you this what what happened? Or what what?

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Speaker 1: Why did it need a battery? Is what I'm trying

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Speaker 1: GI leasing is plugged in at night, such as GPS

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Speaker 1: not the case. I mean, maybe there's some resistance in

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Speaker 1: I've got a bunch of questions and what if all right,

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Speaker 1: be a battery reset. You know, you replace a battery,

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Speaker 1: You've got to tell the PCM, hey, I change the battery.

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Speaker 1: You're right, you shouldn't have half these problems. Somebody's missing

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the car Doctor, sir. How can I help Hell? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And he he sort of took me serious. I had

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Speaker 1: to explain to him, like, you know, I think I

429
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 1: think he's I think he's working at Starbucks now because

430
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:59,520
Speaker 1: he's no longer a mechanic. But yeah, so you know.

431
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,240
Speaker 1: But then after that, I would go through the automated

432
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 1: bleed procedure before you believe. I believe he did that

433
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 1: because um, um, my mechanics pretty on the ball. The

434
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 1: check and see if this scandle has that. I know

435
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:21,199
Speaker 1: they have the scandals for it, um, but um and

436
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,679
Speaker 1: I'm pretty going sure I remember him saying something about

437
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:29,920
Speaker 1: doing the bleeding through the A B S. But I'll

438
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 1: make sure that the he could went that direction with it. Um.

439
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 1: So if he was able to do that, and if

440
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:41,800
Speaker 1: all of the parts part stop correctly with the correct

441
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:46,359
Speaker 1: part um, then the next step would be replace the

442
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:49,600
Speaker 1: A B S. Huh, Well, before you got there then.

443
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:51,440
Speaker 1: The only other thing I will tell you is there's

444
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 1: two I've seen guys. There are ways to bypass the

445
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:56,399
Speaker 1: A B S. Just take it out of the system

446
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 1: and put a set of uh you know, connections and

447
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 1: and and and lines and just to bypass it and

448
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,359
Speaker 1: bleed it. And you can go through that pain. And

449
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 1: I don't recommend that as that's not the fix. It's

450
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:09,159
Speaker 1: just a test. Uh. The other way is, you know,

451
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 1: if you go to the master and block off the

452
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 1: feed lines out of the master, make up some blocks.

453
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,399
Speaker 1: Do you have a good solid pedal, then you know

454
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:23,640
Speaker 1: start start start testing components coming down the line process

455
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 1: of elimination. If you can verify, you know, if there's

456
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:29,920
Speaker 1: seven components in the system and you can verify six

457
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:34,399
Speaker 1: is good, clear cut right, absolutely, then the only possibility

458
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 1: where there could be errors in the seventh or a

459
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 1: defect is in the seventh. I don't see any reason

460
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:42,160
Speaker 1: why it wouldn't be there. So, you know, I guess

461
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 1: it might be possible to something stealing but not showing

462
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 1: up in well, right, I mean this is this is

463
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 1: a mechanical failure of the A B S module. Computer

464
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 1: will never see a fault code for it. It's looking

465
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Speaker 1: for a sensor failure, something electrical mechanical response. But but

466
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 1: like I said, and when I talk about components, I'm

467
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 1: also looking for is this a drum brake or a

468
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:08,920
Speaker 1: rear disc brake vehicle? Hmm, I I couldn't tell you.

469
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:12,119
Speaker 1: I have not had. I have not had that privilege

470
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 1: or or the trouble of having to go to that

471
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,159
Speaker 1: with the wheels off. I've never looked at that on

472
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 1: that side as drum. Well my understanding as they come

473
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 1: both ways. Yeah, so my comment would be, okay, are

474
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 1: the rear brakes adjusted properly, Are the wheel cylinders working?

475
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 1: Are the wheel cylinders correct? So you know it's I

476
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:44,640
Speaker 1: trust it most I my mechanic went through it all.

477
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 1: Nick is extremely thorough. He's phenomenal in the auto up

478
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 1: there and come up in pittskills me. Really good guy.

479
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 1: UM And if something wasn't right, he would have he

480
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,359
Speaker 1: would have seen, he would have caught it. He's really

481
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:06,400
Speaker 1: on the ball. I'm I'm thinking that, Uh, it's possible

482
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:12,119
Speaker 1: that the scans will didn't have that UM function, or

483
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 1: you might be right, there might be some mechanical issue

484
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:20,639
Speaker 1: with the A B S. So usually my my experience

485
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 1: has been that when that ABS controller is bad, it

486
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 1: sets a fault, it sets a fault code. And I'm

487
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 1: not saying it's not possible. I'm just saying, if we

488
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 1: wanted to play percentages, if we wanted to let percentages

489
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 1: fix the car, I'm gonna tell you eight out of

490
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,120
Speaker 1: ten times, eight out of ten times, that component will

491
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:41,160
Speaker 1: set a failure code. Uh. You know I haven't seen

492
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 1: that fail without an indication from the A B S controller.

493
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 1: That being said, I would take those steps that I'm

494
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 1: talking about, and I would take those steps I'm talking

495
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 1: about and and go through, uh you know, just to

496
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 1: see where that gets you, because I think you'll see that. Uh. Um,

497
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,679
Speaker 1: you know that will tell you what so uh you

498
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 1: know what's going on here? All right, sir? Go ahead

499
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,120
Speaker 1: do that and um give us a call back. Listen

500
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 1: to how it works out. But yeah, look out for

501
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,439
Speaker 1: left left side calipers on the right side of vehicles

502
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 1: eight five zero nine zero zero the car doctors coming

503
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 1: back right after this. Welcome back the car doctor. Let's

504
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 1: real quick, get back into it. Kennon, Missouri eighty nine escort.

505
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 1: How can I help you, sir? Yeah, I got this

506
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 1: eighty nine escort. It's an ecklent shape inside and out

507
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,920
Speaker 1: and everything. But I was talking to the guy. I'm

508
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,119
Speaker 1: I'm more in the v A S. But talking to

509
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 1: this guy, and he works on a lot of stuff,

510
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 1: you know, and he said they had camshaft issues with him.

511
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: You know anything about that? Um, I don't think that.

512
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 1: I think maybe what he's referring is he referring to

513
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 1: the cam's going bad or is he referring to Yeah,

514
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,719
Speaker 1: I don't recall that from eighty nine. I remember the

515
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 1: early eighties and eighty six and then after that kind

516
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 1: of got the problem solved. But I've got to tell

517
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 1: you at this point, it's an eighty nine, so what

518
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 1: is it? Nine two thousand nine, it's thirty years old

519
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 1: at this point. Yeah, a little herons out as the

520
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 1: cleanest burgler and engine you've ever seen. Right, So at

521
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 1: this point, you know what, as long as it last,

522
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 1: it lasts, because you're not gonna take it apart and

523
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,959
Speaker 1: put a cam in it anyway. Right, I got good? Yeah, right,

524
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 1: you know, and that sounds good. Just kind of made

525
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 1: me a little lift pointed in you know when you

526
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 1: told me that, Yeah, I mean, have you done? Have

527
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 1: you done a timing belt to it? Ken? Yes? I did?

528
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 1: You know that limpid comes out there and neath the

529
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 1: pully Ye's right real close, and said, take it publi off.

530
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 1: But you can still get a belt in there with

531
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 1: that there and there. Yeah, but you got it on

532
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 1: there and that's that's that's probably the more important piece.

533
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 1: So yeah, but uh, yeah, Well I appreciate your information.

534
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 1: You're welcome, sir, and I want to thank you for

535
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 1: helping all of us out here. Well, you're very welcome.

536
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 1: I'm glad to be here for you. Give us a

537
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 1: call anytime you take good care. Let's get on over

538
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 1: and talk to Mike in Dnilla, New Jersey. Mike, Hey, Ron,

539
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 1: how are you doing that? But a little bit, it's

540
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 1: been a bit. What's going on? Was? I was just

541
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 1: looking through some things the other day and read an

542
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 1: article about driverless cars and the Google car. Again, they're

543
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 1: making some more progress with it, and I I figure,

544
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be able to do that because I

545
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 1: can't get a license. But what what's your opinion of that?

546
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 1: I mean, because it can't be much fun. I mean,

547
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 1: you can't really probably exercise a car like you want

548
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 1: or anything like that. It's probably really prohibitive. It has

549
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 1: to pay the speed limits and all that, right, you know, Mike,

550
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 1: I think, I think, and again, you know, I think

551
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 1: in reality, driverless anything is a while coming because I

552
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 1: don't think we're ready for it. I don't think we're

553
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 1: smart enough for it as a society. All right, Let's

554
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 1: let's think of it like this. Let's say people own

555
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 1: self driving cars, or worse, they own self driving flying cars. Right,

556
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 1: we can't get people to do proper maintenance on something

557
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 1: they drive at sixty seventy miles an hour old day

558
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 1: long because they're putting off repairs, They're putting off maintenance.

559
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 1: They'll worrying wait about it until it breaks down. Now,

560
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 1: I've also been reading about these cars that that follow

561
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 1: the lanes of the road, and that would mean that

562
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 1: they would have to paint all these lanes, is certain?

563
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 1: You know, wouldn't they have to put some kind of

564
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 1: special paint on him? Or it? Does it just see

565
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 1: the surface and stay between. Then my understanding is that

566
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: generation of self driving cars, and I'm not kidding, won't

567
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 1: work in states like West Virginia because it's it's a

568
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 1: very rural state. It's a lot of country roads and

569
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: there aren't white lines in a lot of places. So

570
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 1: and granted, you know, is the population going to you know,

571
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 1: when they go self driving cars? Is everybody going to

572
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 1: do it? And you know, I don't think that ability

573
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: is there. I'll tell you what'll be interesting and then

574
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go what what I think is gonna happen

575
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 1: is I think in time we'll go to self driving cars,

576
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 1: and I think driving your own car is going to

577
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 1: become very expensive and very eight tedious because there will

578
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 1: be less support for that type of operation and transportation.

579
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 1: Self driving cars will become what driving cars are, and

580
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: driving cars will become the expense of similar to owning

581
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 1: a horse of the last century. And I think it's

582
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 1: gonna be get it's it's gonna go in that direction.

583
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 1: It's not gonna be mainstream anymore. So we'll see Mike.

584
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 1: I appreciate the call and as always hanging there and

585
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 1: thanks for being a member of the Car Doctor Nation zero.

586
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 1: We're coming back right after this. Welcome back in the

587
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: end the Car Doctor. Winding it down this hour. Let's

588
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 1: go over to Eric in Michigan real quick on nine GMC. Eric.

589
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: What's going on? Hey, good afternoon. I love the show.

590
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 1: Have a two thousand, nine GMC yukon and excuse me

591
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ag whole I was listening you

592
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 1: guys had a super rum owner that's having a problem

593
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 1: with the fuel Jill pump o and Uh, I have

594
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 1: the same thing with mine. Uh. Of course, I'm told

595
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 1: I have a fuel pumping too, a few pump modules,

596
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 1: and so I took it into my mechanic. UM ended

597
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 1: up cleaning up the connectors, put it all back together.

598
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 1: Was told it wasn't a fuel pump itself, was stalling.

599
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 1: UM pulling out of a parking lot or trying to accelerate,

600
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 1: and I was told it was the fuel pump module itself.

601
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 1: So when went down to the GM dealership because it

602
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: was a parts only needed to be programmed, and they've

603
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 1: been unable to duplicate the problems. So the mechanic is

604
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 1: thinking that maybe cleaning up the connectors and such essentially

605
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 1: it could have I mean, I wasn't there to see

606
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 1: how dirty the connectors were, How dirty were the connections

607
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 1: or was this just somebody trying something based on well,

608
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 1: we can't duplicate a problem, let's let's do something that

609
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 1: you know it says we did something, so they don't

610
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 1: um the cleaning of the connectors wasn't wasn't actually anything

611
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 1: that they tried to fix the issue. It was as

612
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 1: a result of taking the connectors apart to get up

613
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 1: to the module itself to test it, and then after

614
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 1: it was cleaned, put back together and there was no

615
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 1: more duplication of the problem. I've been I've driven it

616
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 1: now for the last three weeks and haven't had any

617
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 1: more codes or any stalling, And so the mechanic is

618
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,840
Speaker 1: wondering if it's if it was just that or possible

619
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: if it's a problem, we didn't happen again, you know,

620
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,239
Speaker 1: it's in my mind, it's and and you know we're

621
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 1: just having a general conversation, Eric, in my mind, is

622
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 1: a problem waiting to happen because my understanding is the

623
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 1: fuel pump modules are problematic. They there, it's an improved

624
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 1: upon design. I think they changed vendors on them from

625
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 1: my understanding. So I don't know that you're taking one

626
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 1: out and putting back in the exact same part. I

627
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: hint there's some improvements there. Uh. You know, my question

628
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 1: would be why were the connector's dirty because that should

629
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:08,399
Speaker 1: have been a weather pack weather proof seal. So then

630
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:10,359
Speaker 1: if they weren't that dirty to begin with, and why

631
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 1: the unplugging and make it different? So, yeah, is it

632
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: a problem just waiting to happen? The only way you're

633
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:16,879
Speaker 1: gonna know it's two things that you're going to change

634
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 1: it or drive it and hope for the best. And

635
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 1: other than that, there's not much else you can really

636
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 1: do if you can't duplicate the problem. I'm not any

637
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 1: of the car doctor mechanics aren't expensive, placeless