1 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:12,520 Speaker 1: It's that time time, time, time, walking load. Michael Very 2 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 1: Show is on the air. 3 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:20,760 Speaker 2: Are you going to fire the current FBI director, Christopher Ray, 4 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:21,599 Speaker 2: who you appointed. 5 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 3: Well, I can't say I'm thrilled with him. He invaded 6 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 3: my home. I'm suing the country offer he invaded Marlanga. 7 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:39,559 Speaker 4: Don't don't you come. 8 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:46,559 Speaker 5: The FBI director just to resigned. Christopher Ray announced a 9 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 5: moment ago that you will leave by the end of 10 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:52,519 Speaker 5: the current administration, three years before the end of his 11 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 5: ten year term. 12 00:00:55,800 --> 00:01:05,120 Speaker 6: Don't you come back? Rude and don't you come back? 13 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 4: The rude and. 14 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 1: Don't you come back? 15 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:13,839 Speaker 6: No, hit the room and don't you come back. 16 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:20,400 Speaker 7: After weeks of careful thought, I've decided the right thing 17 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 7: for the bureau is for me to serve until the 18 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 7: end of the current administration in January and then stepped down. 19 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 3: Well, excuse me, sir, so I'll have to pay. 20 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 8: The rule. 21 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 6: Don't you come back? The room? And don't you come back? 22 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:44,960 Speaker 9: What you said? 23 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 1: The room and don't you come back. 24 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 8: What's more, I hope Christopher Ray is investigated and prosecuted. 25 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 1: Well, and let me remind you. 26 00:01:57,320 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 8: In addition to January sixth and all the other awful 27 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:08,360 Speaker 8: things they did. The FBI targeted and arrested Catholics for 28 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 8: praying outside of abortion clinics, not blowing clinics up, not 29 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 8: obstructing the entrance. Oh no, They'll allow the violent greenees 30 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 8: to shut down highways, to shut down businesses, to blow 31 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:33,919 Speaker 8: things up, to burn things down, but by God, Catholics 32 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:40,399 Speaker 8: will not be allowed to pray outside of abortion clinics. 33 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 8: Credit to Senator Josh Hawley, Republican grilling, just absolutely grilling 34 00:02:54,400 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 8: Christopher Ray, the FBI director, on how his agency targeted Catholics. 35 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 4: This. 36 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 1: Never forget that this happened. Listen careful. 37 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 10: The FBI has repeatedly refused to disclose this information. The 38 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 10: only reason we know it is because a whistleblower came 39 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 10: forward with it, just like the only reason we know 40 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:16,800 Speaker 10: about this memo is because a. 41 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 1: Whistleblower came forward with it. 42 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 10: How many other parishes around the country have priests or 43 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:25,119 Speaker 10: choir directors been approached by the way? 44 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 1: Are Catholic choirs now? 45 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 10: Are they? Are they breeding grounds for domestic terrorism? Is 46 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 10: this your latest theory? How many other parishes have FBI 47 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 10: agents approached priests and choir directors to ask about parishioners. 48 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 11: Look, Senator, we do not and will not conduct investigations 49 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 11: based on anybody's exercise of their constitutionals. 50 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 10: You have done it so, and your memo explicitly asks 51 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 10: for it. Your memo labels traditional Catholics as racially and 52 00:03:55,240 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 10: ethnically motivated violent extremists in need of investigation. You have 53 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 10: a list of churches, a list in the memo. You've 54 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 10: repeatedly said, we don't target churches. We don't list churches. 55 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 10: They're listed in the memo. So how many other parishes 56 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 10: have you gone to to talk to choir directors? 57 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:22,159 Speaker 1: For Heaven's sake, as I've show the answer to that question. No, 58 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 1: I don't know the answer to that question. 59 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:27,360 Speaker 11: But I can tell you that we don't investigate people 60 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 11: for their exercise, and they're constantly protected consoorship, protected religious expression. 61 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 11: And that particular intelligence product is something that as soon 62 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 11: as I saw it, I was aghast. 63 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 10: I had it withdrawn. So you were a guest. I was, oh, really, 64 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:43,279 Speaker 10: and what have you done about it? Did you fire 65 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:44,280 Speaker 10: the people who wrote it? 66 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 4: No? 67 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:48,480 Speaker 1: I have you fired anybody involved in it? Senator? If 68 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 1: you will give me a chance, then that's a yes 69 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 1: or no. It's not hard. 70 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 10: Have you fired anyone involved in the writing of that 71 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 10: outrageous memo about which, frankly, you've repeatedly misled the public? 72 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 11: Yes or no, the individuals involved a fired in just 73 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:08,919 Speaker 11: a minute, were not found to have engaged in any 74 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 11: intentional or bad faith conduct, and in factly, in fact, Senator, 75 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 11: a number of the individuals involved a number of the 76 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:21,159 Speaker 11: individuals involved in writing that product in the Richmond office 77 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 11: with themselves Catholics. So the notion, Oh I see, they 78 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 11: were targeting their own faith. 79 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:28,280 Speaker 1: Oh so they're not out of feel free card. I 80 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 1: see they see. 81 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:32,599 Speaker 10: So you're not in the immune So as we shouldn't 82 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 10: ask questions about it. 83 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:36,720 Speaker 1: You haven't done a darn thing. You haven't fired anybody. 84 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 10: In fact, what the House found is what is it 85 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 10: you? You admonished them. They were admonished, and their respective supervisors 86 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 10: were told to engage with the Human Resources division to 87 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 10: ensure that deficiencies are addressed. Oh I feel much better. 88 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 10: They've been sent to bed without food. Good Heavens. Director, 89 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 10: this is one of the most outrageous targeting. Do you 90 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:05,480 Speaker 10: have mobilized your division, the most powerful law enforcement division 91 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:09,480 Speaker 10: in the world, against traditionalist Catholics, whatever the heck that means. 92 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 10: And you're just told us you have not fired a 93 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:16,840 Speaker 10: single person. I mean here, it gets worse. Your Richmond 94 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:19,720 Speaker 10: Field office. They thought there was nothing wrong with this. 95 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 10: The House interviewed the head of the Richmond Field Office. 96 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 10: He testified, it's all here in the public report I 97 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 10: refer you to at pages twelve thirteen fourteen. He testified 98 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 10: he saw no problem with this. He said, he thought 99 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 10: it was fine. In fact, we have internal memoranda of 100 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 10: the members of the Field office high fiving one peer reviewer. 101 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 10: Another member of the Field office wrote, I think this 102 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 10: is a great product. I really enjoyed the read. Do 103 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:49,600 Speaker 10: you have a problem with systemic bigotry against Catholics in 104 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:54,479 Speaker 10: the FBI? No, what are you going to do about this? 105 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 10: Are you going to fire these people or not? 106 00:06:57,279 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 11: Those individuals have all been admonished and it is all 107 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:03,279 Speaker 11: going into there, if you would let me finish my answer. 108 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:06,479 Speaker 11: It is all going into their annual performance reviews, which 109 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 11: has direct impact on their compensation, among other things. 110 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 1: Oh I see, Oh I see, I see. 111 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 10: So the sixty million American Catholics who we now who 112 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 10: now learn that your FBI has recommended that priest be 113 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 10: recruited as informants. Your FBI has gone to priests choir directors, 114 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 10: but where to feel better because you've admonished them for 115 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 10: their wrong day. 116 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 1: You again are conflating two different things in. 117 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 10: Your testimony, where you said you do not, you said categorically. 118 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 10: Categorically you said we do not. We do not go 119 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 10: to priests and ask them about the parishioners. You said 120 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 10: we do not. You didn't say we haven't. You didn't 121 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 10: say we won't. You said we don't. It turns out 122 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 10: you do, and you kept it from the public. You 123 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 10: deliberately missed like Congress about it. And the only reason 124 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 10: we know about it is because a whistleblower came forward. 125 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 1: I just that's fundamentally disagree with your characterization. 126 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 10: There's no characterization the facts of the facts. And I 127 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 10: fundamentally resent the fact that you have violated, if not 128 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 10: the spirit, if not the letter, certainly the spirit of 129 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 10: the First Amendment and use your law enforcement agency against 130 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 10: Catholics in this nation. 131 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 1: Snowflakes prepare for a complete meltdown with more of the 132 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 1: Michael Berry Show. 133 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 8: The most underrated CCR son by far so, Christopher Ray, 134 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 8: who has been shown. The door was being questioned by 135 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:44,440 Speaker 8: then Congressman Matt Gates about messages between Hunter Biden and 136 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 8: his we'll call him his business partners, his fellow criminals. 137 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:57,680 Speaker 8: Christopher Ray would not acknowledge that the message sounded like 138 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 8: a shakedown. If the FBI didn't know this was a shakedown, 139 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 8: then they're not good at what they do. The fact 140 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 8: that they do know that this is a shakedown and 141 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 8: refuse to admit it makes them far more dangerous than 142 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 8: just being incompetent. 143 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 1: I'm sitting here with my father. 144 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 4: I will make certain that between the man sitting next 145 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 4: to me and every person he knows in my ability 146 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 4: to forever hold a grudge that you will regret not 147 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 4: following my direction. I am sitting here waiting for the 148 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 4: call with my pause. Sounds like a shakedown, does an 149 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:32,680 Speaker 4: in director. 150 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:36,680 Speaker 1: I'm not going to get into comedy with them. 151 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 4: You seem deeply uncurious about it, don't you? 152 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 1: Almost suspiciously uncurious? 153 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 4: Are you protecting the Bidens? 154 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 1: Absolutely not the FI. You wan't to answer your question. 155 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 4: That's a shakedown, and everybody knows why you won't answer it. 156 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 4: Because to the millions of people who will see this, 157 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:57,960 Speaker 4: they know it is, and your inability to acknowledge that 158 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 4: is deeply revealing about you. You preside over the FBI 159 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 4: that has the lowest level of trust in the FBI's history. 160 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 4: People trusted the FBI when Jaye or Hoover was running 161 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 4: the place than when you are. And the reason is 162 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 4: because you don't get straight answers. You get answers that 163 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 4: later at court deems aren't true. 164 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 1: And then at the end of the day, you. 165 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:19,200 Speaker 4: Won't criticize an obvious shakedown when it's directly in front 166 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 4: of us and it appears as though you're whitewashing the conduct. 167 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 1: Of a corrupt to be respectfully, Congressman. In your home 168 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 1: state of Florida, the number of. 169 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 11: Peopleplying to come work for us and devote their lives 170 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 11: and working for us is over one hundred percent. 171 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 1: We're deeply proud of them, and they deserve better than you. 172 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 1: That's exactly right. 173 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 8: Stop hiding behind the don't dishonor the FBI ages. 174 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 1: I love the FBI ages. I know plenty. 175 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 8: I know people in the ranks of every major federal 176 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 8: agency who do good work, and they tell me I 177 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 8: want to retire. 178 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:58,559 Speaker 1: This is awful. I'm embarrassed. 179 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 8: This is wrong, So stop hiding behind the good work 180 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 8: they do, because you're a bad person. The FBI did 181 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:13,560 Speaker 8: attempt to interfere in this election. 182 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 1: That just happened. Let me be very clear on that. 183 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 8: They claimed that crime was down under the Biden administration. 184 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 8: They lied about the crime statistics, and then oh, once 185 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 8: the election's over, Oh we said crime was down. Actually, 186 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 8: it looks like you caught us. Crime is up, but 187 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:37,679 Speaker 8: it's too late now. 188 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 12: So if crime's everywhere, why do they say crimes down? 189 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:45,199 Speaker 9: A new report from the FBI shows that there was 190 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 9: a thirteen percent decline in murder. 191 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 10: Fight What the data shows, which we've been talking about, 192 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:52,679 Speaker 10: the fact that crime. 193 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 8: Is going down in most places, is not registering with 194 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:55,560 Speaker 8: the public. 195 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 9: I can safely walk my dog to the Capitol today 196 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 9: in a way that you couldn't do when when we 197 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 9: all got here. 198 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 1: I'm glad Pete can walk his dog. But why should 199 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:08,719 Speaker 1: we believe the FBI? Well, turns out we shouldn't. 200 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:12,680 Speaker 12: The Washington Examiner did some digging and discovered the FBI 201 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 12: has been cooking the books. Did you know about half 202 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:19,680 Speaker 12: the country doesn't send their crime statistics. 203 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 1: To the FBI. 204 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:25,320 Speaker 12: So the FBI just estimates the number of crimes, and 205 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 12: then they estimate. 206 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:27,319 Speaker 1: In the wrong direction. 207 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 12: Murders are actually up twenty three percent across seventy cities 208 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 12: since twenty nineteen. In Milwaukee, the FBI reported a thirteen 209 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 12: percent drop in robberies, but Milwaukee police. 210 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:43,319 Speaker 9: Reported a seven percent increase. 211 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 12: The Biden administration's using Enron style accounting to cook the 212 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 12: books on everything from crime to the border to the economy, 213 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 12: and then the media reporters they just regurgitate the propaganda 214 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:00,719 Speaker 12: and they wonder why the country's soured trust them and 215 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:01,439 Speaker 12: Trump's winning. 216 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:03,199 Speaker 1: It's true. 217 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:09,199 Speaker 8: They keep telling us, it's important that we have respect 218 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 8: for the FBI. It's important that we had respect for 219 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 8: the CIA. It's important that we have respect for the media. 220 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 1: No, it's not. 221 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 8: It's important that they be deserving of respect, But when 222 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 8: they behave in such a manner that they are not, 223 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 8: it is more important that we dishonor them. It's more 224 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 8: important that we disarm them. See, that's what you do. 225 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 8: You don't worship power, You check power. Government governs with 226 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 8: the consent of the government, not the fear of the government. 227 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:00,559 Speaker 1: It's important wherstand that. 228 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 8: Here was Donald Trump will close with this because I 229 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:07,200 Speaker 8: got a great interview up next. 230 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 1: It's a World War II story that if you had. 231 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 8: A parent or grandparent in World War Two, these stories 232 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:17,680 Speaker 8: need to keep being told. And Buck Sexton brought to 233 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 8: my attention an author of a book the USS cowpins 234 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 8: so they call it the Moo Cow and it's just 235 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 8: it's just a wonderful story. Here is President Trump on 236 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 8: Meet the Press last weekend talking to Christine Welker about 237 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 8: if he was going to fire Christopher Ray. 238 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 2: Are you going to fire the current FBI director, Christopher Ray, 239 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 2: who you appointed. 240 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 3: Well, I can't say I'm thrilled with him. He invaded 241 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 3: my home, I'm suing the country over it. He invaded 242 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 3: mar A Lago. I'm very unhappy with the things he's done. 243 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 3: And crime isn't at all time high. Migrants are pouring 244 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 3: into the country that are from prisons and from mental institutions, 245 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 3: as we've discussed. I can't say I'm thrilled. I don't 246 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 3: want to say. I don't want to again. I don't 247 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 3: want to be Joe Biden and give you an answer 248 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 3: and then do the exact oppa. So I'm not going 249 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 3: to do that. What I'm going to say, is I 250 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 3: certainly cannot be happy with him. 251 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 1: You take a look at what's happened. 252 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 3: And then when I was shot in the year, he said, oh, 253 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 3: maybe it was shrapnel. Where's the shrapnel coming from? Is 254 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 3: it coming from uh? Is it coming from heaven? I 255 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 3: don't think so. So we need somebody to straight You know, 256 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 3: I have a lot of respect for the FBI, but 257 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 3: the FBI's respect has gone way down over the last 258 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 3: number of years. 259 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 2: Don't you have to fire him in order to make 260 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 2: room for cash? Metality is in fact confirmed? 261 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 3: Well, I mean it would sort of seem pretty obvious 262 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 3: that if Cash gets in, he's going to be taking 263 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 3: somebody's place, right as somebody is the man that you're 264 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 3: talking about. 265 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 8: We got a call from friend Buck Sexton of Clay 266 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 8: and Buck fame, and I've actually known Buck since before. 267 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 1: The Clay and Buck days. Buck has a history at 268 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 1: the CIA and really just an interesting guy. 269 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 8: And Buck and I share a passion for military history 270 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 8: and great stories of how much you loved your mom 271 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 8: and how much you loved your dad. I actually met 272 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 8: Buck's dad. Buck and I were having dinner in Miami 273 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 8: a couple of years. A few years ago and his 274 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 8: dad Mason was there. And his dad Mason little known fact. 275 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 8: I don't know if Buck's ever told the story. And 276 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 8: I don't get to listen to the show because I'm 277 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 8: doing my show while they're doing their show. But his 278 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 8: dad Mason was a driving force behind the movie about 279 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 8: Elliot Spitzer, who was the governor of New York. You 280 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 8: know love potion number nine, the client number nine who 281 00:16:57,160 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 8: was brought down in the escort sting. Anyway, so Buck said, Hey, 282 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:04,879 Speaker 8: I know this guy Nathan Canastero, and he's written a 283 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:07,919 Speaker 8: book called A Mighty Moo. Let me send you some 284 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 8: details on it. You might be interested, And I was. 285 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 8: It's one of those great stories that needs to be told. 286 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 8: So many books are written because of ego or to 287 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 8: capitalize on celebrity. 288 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 1: You know, some guys on TV. 289 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 8: If you look at the best selling book list at 290 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 8: any given time today, this wasn't always the case. Most 291 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:34,440 Speaker 8: of the guys on there and gals have TV shows, 292 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 8: and so it's more of a distribution outlet. 293 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 1: Than it is. 294 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 8: You know, Dostoyevsky having a story that he's got to tell, 295 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:45,639 Speaker 8: or iin Rand who needs to share her message and 296 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 8: can't get it out broadly enough. The reason to tell 297 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:52,399 Speaker 8: a story is because the story is so compelling that 298 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 8: it's bubbling out of you. And whether you ever make 299 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 8: a dime or get rich off of it, or achieve celebrity, 300 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 8: that's the stories I want to here. So Nathan Canastero 301 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:04,679 Speaker 8: is a guy that Buck told me about. Originally at 302 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:09,640 Speaker 8: Tennessee and from Knoxville, Tennessee, but he lives outside of 303 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 8: DC for the last twenty five years. A professional intelligence 304 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:15,680 Speaker 8: officer with the federal government. He served in the Middle 305 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 8: East during the War on Terror, and he's now an 306 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 8: assignment to the National Intelligence Council. But really, Nathan's not 307 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 8: the star of this show. He's just the conductor for 308 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:27,399 Speaker 8: a symphony that is a little journey we're going to 309 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:29,879 Speaker 8: take together, and I think you'll enjoy. He's written a 310 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 8: book called The Mighty Moo, and I know what it's about, 311 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 8: but you don't. Neck you don't yet, you're about to. Nathan, 312 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 8: tell us why you wrote this book and what this 313 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:40,120 Speaker 8: book's about. 314 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 9: Please, Well, first, thanks for having me on. I really 315 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 9: appreciate the opportunity. This was kind of a It started 316 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 9: as a journey of discovery about my grandfather and I think. 317 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:53,680 Speaker 9: You know, my grandfather was a lot like many men 318 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 9: of his generation. He was a Pacific War veteran in 319 00:18:56,800 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 9: World War Two, served aboard an aircraft carrier, the USS Cowpens, 320 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:04,879 Speaker 9: but he saw a lot of action, and he didn't 321 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:07,399 Speaker 9: want to talk about the war, you know, and like you, 322 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 9: I'm I'm interested in military history, always have been. You know, 323 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:13,360 Speaker 9: I grew up with band of brothers and saving Private Ryan, 324 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:15,959 Speaker 9: you know, sort of the big media public you know, 325 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 9: culture sort of shows about the Second Worlders. So I 326 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 9: was fascinated by sort of trying to learn more about 327 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 9: what my grandfather did, and he just he wouldn't talk 328 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 9: about it, and when I tried to draw it out 329 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:28,879 Speaker 9: of him, it brought him to tears. So, you know, 330 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 9: I felt terrible first off, because I'd made my grandfather cry, 331 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 9: and then also, you know, I didn't I was afraid 332 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 9: the story was going to be lost. And so when 333 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:41,880 Speaker 9: Grandpa passed in twenty ten, you know, I said, well, 334 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 9: you know, I researched military conflict for a living for 335 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 9: the government. Why don't I just see what I can 336 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:50,680 Speaker 9: find out on my own about Grandpa's service and see, 337 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 9: you know, see if I can discover what he wouldn't 338 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:57,879 Speaker 9: tell me. And you know, sadly, most of my grandfather's 339 00:19:57,880 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 9: story he took to the grave with him. He was 340 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:03,399 Speaker 9: a both an enlisted man and a reservist, and you know, 341 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 9: those were not really priorities for the Navy in terms 342 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 9: of its record keeping. You know, mostly it was about 343 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 9: the officers and you know, the big the admirals and 344 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 9: sort of important people. But in sort of picking up 345 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:18,440 Speaker 9: the story and trying to follow my grandfather's steps as 346 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 9: he went across the Pacific, I found this really amazing 347 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 9: story about his ship. And I turned to my girlfriend 348 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 9: at the time, down my wife, and I said, there's 349 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 9: a book here. You know, I consider myself fairly well 350 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:34,879 Speaker 9: informed about the war, and I just never heard of this, 351 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 9: and you know, essentially sort of in a nutshell, you know, 352 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 9: my grandfather was a boardless ship that the Navy initially 353 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 9: didn't even want. You know, the captain had been scapegoaded 354 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 9: for losing his last ship. The pilots self trained in 355 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 9: the planes they'd fly into battle. The crew had been 356 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 9: in uniform, me and my grandfather barely longer than the 357 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:55,399 Speaker 9: ship had been afloat. I mean, everybody was new to 358 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 9: the navy. And when they got started, they had this 359 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 9: terrible jinx. They survived, you know, a deadly typhoon. They 360 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 9: earned a distinguished combat record, and at war's end there 361 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 9: was only one American aircraft carrier in Tokyo day to 362 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:10,160 Speaker 9: witness the Japanese surrender, and that was my grandfather's terrier 363 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 9: of the USS Calbuy. I'm like, what, how did how 364 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:15,200 Speaker 9: did I know this story? 365 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:18,679 Speaker 8: This is amazing, so that that is you know, Nathan, 366 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 8: I'm so glad you told this story. 367 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 1: And the book is called The Mighty Moo. 368 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 8: Nathan Canastero has written it because I have a theory 369 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:31,199 Speaker 8: that I tell often that if you asked the person 370 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 8: in front of you, what's your what's your grocery store 371 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:33,640 Speaker 8: of choice? 372 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:34,920 Speaker 1: Where do you where do you grocerrate? 373 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 9: Oh, we've got a safeway right up the road. 374 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 8: If you asked the person in front of you and 375 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:44,359 Speaker 8: behind you in line at the safeway the right three questions, 376 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 8: you're standing next to a gold medalist, the guy who 377 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 8: was in front of the tank at tinem And Square, 378 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:54,920 Speaker 8: a refugee from an African communist nation, who's going to 379 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 8: end up winning a Nobel Prize. You just don't know, right, 380 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:01,400 Speaker 8: and there are all the stories. Marcus Latrell's a dear 381 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,680 Speaker 8: friend of mine, and I say all the time Mark, 382 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 8: and he's kept a diary since he was eight years old. 383 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,919 Speaker 8: He still keeps a diary every day. Marcus. The amazing 384 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 8: thing is not your lone survivor's story. The fact that 385 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:19,399 Speaker 8: the things that happened. The amazing thing is that you 386 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 8: reduced it to writing. Because if that doesn't happen, I 387 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 8: don't know Marcus Latrull. I don't know the name. 388 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 1: I don't know acts, I don't know deeds. I don't 389 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:30,200 Speaker 1: know those guys. 390 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 8: And so you think about this, people will say to me, 391 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:36,159 Speaker 8: you know, can you forward this to Marcus Latrell? Can 392 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:38,440 Speaker 8: you can he come and speak at Aravan? And Marcus 393 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:40,919 Speaker 8: is this sort of god man because he's Marcus Latrell. 394 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 8: The fact of the matter is if he didn't write 395 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 8: the book and then Peter Berg doesn't make the movie, 396 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 8: you don't know about him. And he's just some big, 397 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:52,360 Speaker 8: burly guy with a bunch of tattoos and a scowl 398 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 8: on his face walking past you in the store that 399 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 8: you wonder if he has a day job. 400 00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:57,720 Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying. 401 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:01,920 Speaker 8: It's like if these stories aren't not reduced to writing, 402 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:07,919 Speaker 8: then they're lost to eternity. And that doesn't mean they 403 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 8: didn't happen. You know Ed Sable of NFL films. When 404 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 8: he retired, he went on the speaking circuit. And I 405 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:17,479 Speaker 8: don't know if you're familiar with NFL films, but they 406 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 8: tell these amazing stories. You know, the wind blew through 407 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:26,200 Speaker 8: the blustery and he tells he gives this line to businessmen. 408 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 8: He says, tell me a fact and I'll learn it. 409 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:31,200 Speaker 8: Tell me the truth and I'll believe it. But tell 410 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:34,000 Speaker 8: me a story and it will live in our hearts forever. 411 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 8: What I love here is you're telling a story that 412 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 8: these men. I mean, they're scared, right, they're scared, and 413 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:46,160 Speaker 8: they're young, and they never expect to be the subject 414 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:49,920 Speaker 8: of lore. And had you not written it, they wouldn't. 415 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 8: And I could read these stories forever. And it's also 416 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 8: I find it very inspiring, Nathan, because these were just 417 00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 8: common guys, right, They graduated high school, they played football, 418 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 8: they had a girlfriend, they shaved their head and sent 419 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 8: them off to war, and look what they did. And 420 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:11,439 Speaker 8: what I love is now we've recorded that, right, lest 421 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 8: we forget our guest is Nathan Canistero. The book is 422 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 8: The Mighty Move, and we'll talk more about this amazing story. 423 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 6: A fine. 424 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:30,440 Speaker 1: Michael Barry. 425 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:32,880 Speaker 8: Nathan Canastero is our guest. The book is The Mighty Move. 426 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:37,119 Speaker 8: I've done too much talking, he's done too little. Let's 427 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 8: talk about your grandfather, the tail gunner and an avenger, 428 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 8: torpedo bomber and USS cowpins. And he never talked about 429 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 8: the war, which was common. I'm involved with a group 430 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:51,359 Speaker 8: called Camp Hope, the PTSD Foundation of America, and people 431 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:52,639 Speaker 8: come from all over the country. 432 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 1: It's free to them. 433 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 8: We raise the money who are suffering the wounds mental 434 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 8: wounds of war, and they stay there for six months. 435 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 8: It's a Christian based program and they get the feeling 436 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,920 Speaker 8: they need to learn to cope with PTSD. They're usually 437 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 8: extremely addicted. They've typically had multiple suicide attempts. They're in 438 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 8: a bad way. And one of the things I have 439 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 8: come to learn with these guys is that remembering is 440 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 8: very important. 441 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 1: We talked about Marcus the trail. Never forget. 442 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 8: Telling stories like this is how we honor these men 443 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:24,640 Speaker 8: and the men of their generation. 444 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:26,880 Speaker 1: So I'm going to step back and let you tell 445 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 1: the story. 446 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 9: Yeah, So grandpa was twenty two when he went aboard 447 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,959 Speaker 9: the Calvins. He's from upstate new arkle town called Courtland 448 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,680 Speaker 9: by forty five minutes from Syracuse. You know, after you know, 449 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 9: he did his bit aboard the carrier, and he came 450 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 9: home and you know, put it all behind him and 451 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,159 Speaker 9: maybe he just bottled it up. It's like that was 452 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 9: a phase of my life. It's over and I'm going 453 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 9: to you know, went on to have five kids and 454 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 9: be a carpenter for you know, for forty years. But 455 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 9: you know, you talked to I've talked to a lot 456 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 9: of them, both the veterans when I talked to him there, 457 00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 9: and they're early to the nineties and now their families 458 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:04,879 Speaker 9: and and you know PTSD wasn't really recognized at the 459 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,440 Speaker 9: time that you know, they weren't like battle fatigue and 460 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 9: things like that. But they don't really understand it, you know, 461 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:13,399 Speaker 9: like we did tell it. You know, one very nice 462 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 9: lady here in town whose dad actually flew some of 463 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,200 Speaker 9: the airplanes that my grandfather was the tailgunner on, and 464 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:19,879 Speaker 9: he said, you know, he always had a drink in 465 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,159 Speaker 9: his hand. And she said, we didn't think much of 466 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 9: it at the time. But you know, maybe maybe that 467 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 9: was you know, now now that we're you know, here 468 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 9: we are in twenty twenty four, you know, we know 469 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,399 Speaker 9: a lot about PTSD. Maybe that was an indication that 470 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 9: you know, there was some some scarring there and that 471 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:38,119 Speaker 9: you know, he was self medicating with alcohol. 472 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 1: To sort of number. 473 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 9: So I could certainly understand and certainly understand when they 474 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:46,399 Speaker 9: need it. So but you know, all these guys, you know, 475 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:48,679 Speaker 9: it's sort of you say, I mean, they are everyday Americans. 476 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:54,480 Speaker 9: The ship was mostly staffed by reservists, about fifteen hundred people. 477 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:56,400 Speaker 9: You know, the vast bulk of these guys. They weren't 478 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 9: the Navy's elite. They were these were folks that were 479 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:00,359 Speaker 9: going to go get out of the name either to 480 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,359 Speaker 9: do their bit, they're going to go home. You know, 481 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:06,400 Speaker 9: they're the Baby Brewers and we know today and so consequently, 482 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 9: you know that that brought with it. You know, they 483 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 9: had this huge sort of range of you know, the 484 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,959 Speaker 9: ship's fighter pilots. You know, there there were bankers, There 485 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 9: was a district attorney. There was a mortician, a soap salesman, uh, 486 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,240 Speaker 9: you know, just a crazy but guys who work for 487 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,880 Speaker 9: the power company, you know, and then you get down 488 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 9: into the you know, the enlisted, the guys who made 489 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 9: the ship go and and you know, you've got everybody 490 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,239 Speaker 9: and kept kept things working. And you know, these were 491 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,919 Speaker 9: farm boys and big city kids from across the country 492 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:35,920 Speaker 9: and a lot of them have just never been outside 493 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 9: of their home, you know, their home region. You know, 494 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:40,919 Speaker 9: in the nineteen forties, how many people went more than 495 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,560 Speaker 9: you know, twenty miles from where they grew up. Not many. 496 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,359 Speaker 9: So this was kind of like the first real mixing 497 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:48,960 Speaker 9: for these people. You know that some guy, you know, 498 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:52,120 Speaker 9: some guy from New England would meet somebody from down 499 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 9: south for the first time. 500 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,680 Speaker 1: It was you know, you hear this again. 501 00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 8: You're reminding me of things that I haven't thought about 502 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 8: in a while. But when a kid from Iowa meets 503 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:06,159 Speaker 8: a kid from California and they're off to fight the 504 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 8: Germans and the Japanese and they're not thinking about bullets flying, 505 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 8: they're going, you're from way out there where they make 506 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 8: those movies. I mean, it's just they're just kids. I've 507 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 8: got a seventeen and eighteen year old. 508 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:20,919 Speaker 9: They're just kids, right right, And anyone about twenty one 509 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:22,880 Speaker 9: or twenty two, like the pilots. They were old men. 510 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:24,879 Speaker 9: But you know what they all had in common. 511 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 1: I talked. 512 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 9: I read a memoir written by a marine, a guy 513 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 9: by the name of George Terrell. He's from New England, 514 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 9: you know, and he went to boot camp of Paris Island, 515 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 9: and you know, he's meeting all people from all these 516 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 9: different parts of America for the first time. He said, 517 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 9: you know, I thought they were weird. They thought I 518 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 9: was weird. He said, you know what we all had 519 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 9: in common, He said, he knew we were going to win, 520 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:48,400 Speaker 9: all of us. He said, there's no doubt about it. 521 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 9: And another guy a pilot award. He said, you know, 522 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 9: every generation has its great tasks, and we just assumed 523 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 9: that this was ours and we're going to get on 524 00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 9: with it and get it done. And that's they had 525 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 9: the sense of purpose after Pearl Harbor. That kind of 526 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 9: motivated them to, you know, put these divisions aside and 527 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:06,720 Speaker 9: push forward. 528 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 8: It's incredible, you know, whether you call them the Greatest 529 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,320 Speaker 8: generation or whatever else. I think one of the things 530 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 8: that you focused on here, you know, you talk about 531 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 8: the soap salesmen and things like this is when we 532 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 8: study history, and obviously you're a student of military history, 533 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 8: and as I am, and in all history. But we 534 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 8: studied the Genghis Khans and the Kubla Khans, and we 535 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 8: study these, you know. 536 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 1: These great men and the great things they did. It's 537 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 1: important to understand these guys were just average, everyday guys, 538 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 1: just the way my kids are and and and kids 539 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:42,040 Speaker 1: are today. And they went off and changed the world 540 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 1: and saved the world. And these are I never tire 541 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 1: of these stories. I find them beautiful. 542 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 8: And one of my grandfather was that generation of and 543 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 8: it's just it's glorious, it really is, and it's wonderful, 544 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 8: and somehow I find it inspirational for my own life, like, 545 00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 8: you know, maybe maybe I can do more, Maybe I 546 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,160 Speaker 8: he should do more. You can be common, it's okay. 547 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:06,400 Speaker 9: Yeah, It's all about what your God given talents and 548 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 9: also opportunity, and these guys were given a tremendous opportunity. 549 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 9: There was one man in particular, I'll mention his name 550 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 9: is Clement Craig, who was the ship's greatest fighter pilot. 551 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 9: He was he did advertising work and he was got 552 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,720 Speaker 9: out of college essentially put His first job was doing 553 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:26,720 Speaker 9: copywriting for advertising in the local newspaper and you know, 554 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,040 Speaker 9: he's not making any money. He comes from nothing, and 555 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 9: he's just he got when he realized how much money 556 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 9: his boss made, which wasn't very much, he's like, well, 557 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 9: I can't do this. So he ended up joining the Navy. 558 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 9: And he was a little older than a lot of 559 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 9: the other kids aboard. He was like twenty five or 560 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 9: twenty six, you know, still pretty young by our comparison, 561 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,760 Speaker 9: but by the time he was the old man. And 562 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 9: he went on to be the ship's greatest fighter pilot, 563 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,880 Speaker 9: just a tremendous, tremendous pilot, and not only did he 564 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:55,680 Speaker 9: serve a World War Two, he went on and served 565 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 9: in Korea. You know, he did two Navy Crosses in 566 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 9: World War Two and then food thirty more missions in Korea. 567 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 9: Ended the war with twenty two Air medals and the 568 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,920 Speaker 9: two Mayvy Crosses Distinguished Flying Crosses. He just really a 569 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,320 Speaker 9: tremendous guy. But there was nothing about him that said 570 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 9: Navy elites. You know, he didn't go to the Naval Academy. 571 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 9: His dad wasn't an admiral. You know, he just he 572 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 9: came out and did it. And his greatest engagement of 573 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 9: the war, it was him and seven other US hell Cats, 574 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 9: which is the main fighter pilot the fighter aircraft at 575 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,960 Speaker 9: the time, and they took on eighteen Japanese fighters and 576 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 9: came out on top, shot down all but one, and 577 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:35,880 Speaker 9: Clem shot got five and which is pretty remarkable given 578 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 9: he's only got thirty seconds worth of firing, you know, 579 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 9: for his guns, and so they run on ammunition. So 580 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,160 Speaker 9: he should step five aircraft in thirty seconds of firing. 581 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 9: That's you know, six seconds. And the man was a 582 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,640 Speaker 9: tremendous shot, so you know, he was I had had 583 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,440 Speaker 9: a chance to trade notes with his son, who's going 584 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:53,960 Speaker 9: to you know, was trying to tell his dad story, 585 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:55,640 Speaker 9: and I was like, okay, let me help you unch 586 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,840 Speaker 9: help you know, provide me his journals and diaries. And 587 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:01,880 Speaker 9: then he's you know, prominently featured in the book. So 588 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:06,880 Speaker 9: but so many folks. As as a historian, I'm very 589 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,240 Speaker 9: lucky that, you know, you go to a family member 590 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 9: of some of these vets and say, hey, I'm trying 591 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 9: to learn more about what your relative did. Can you 592 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 9: help me? And I only had one person who wasn't interested. 593 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,760 Speaker 9: Almost everybody was like, yes, let me, you know, let's 594 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:22,640 Speaker 9: let's tell that story. Let's get it out there and 595 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 9: folks were so helpful in providing you know, letters and 596 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,760 Speaker 9: diaries and journals and photos and you know, stories that 597 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:33,760 Speaker 9: the data told in which you know, so really, you know, 598 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,840 Speaker 9: the book it's it's it's about the ship, but it's 599 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:38,800 Speaker 9: told through the voices of the guys who were there. 600 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 8: I love it. 601 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 9: That's what sort of. 602 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:44,080 Speaker 8: It's described as The Mighty Moo as a biography of 603 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,560 Speaker 8: a World War Two aircraft carrier has told through the 604 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 8: voices of its heroic crew, a band of brothers at sea. 605 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:55,160 Speaker 8: I'm up against a break. This is a beautiful, beautiful 606 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:59,720 Speaker 8: tribute to your grandfather. The Mighty move by Nathan Cannis. 607 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:04,080 Speaker 8: There a book about a ship, or more importantly, the 608 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,000 Speaker 8: men on the ship and that great generation and the 609 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 8: amazing things they did. There's a festival that celebrates them 610 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,080 Speaker 8: annually because of the incredible prencision. 611 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:14,440 Speaker 1: Thank you, Nathan, Thank you, Chary. 612 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:15,560 Speaker 9: I really appreciate the efforture. 613 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:20,960 Speaker 1: Well he's good, Thank you, and good night.