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Speaker 1: Hey Colts fans, I'm JJ Sankovitz. Welcome into another episode

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Speaker 1: of the Cult Show in Indianapolis Colts podcast. Remember, you

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Speaker 1: but for our full line up a podcast which is

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Speaker 1: out in full force this week. We've got High Volume

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Speaker 1: with Jeffrey Gorman, an episode with Edger and James that's

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Speaker 1: out really fantastic. Jeffrey and Edge just like could not

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Speaker 1: have produced a better conversation out of that. Really interesting

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Speaker 1: stuff from the Hall of Fame. Running Back Inside Football

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Speaker 1: with Rick Venturia's out on your audio channels if you're

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Speaker 1: interested in Rick's thoughts on the upcoming NFL Draft. And

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Speaker 1: then we also have some videos of Inside Football Extra

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Speaker 1: looking at a couple of position groups of the draft.

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Speaker 1: You can check those out on YouTube. Instant Reaction is

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Speaker 1: going to be back during the NFL Draft after the

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Speaker 1: Colts go on the clock at four teen and make

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Speaker 1: their selection. Casey Valier, Bill Brooks, and Rick Van Terry

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Speaker 1: are going to do those episodes on Friday and Saturday

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Speaker 1: and then on or Friday, excuse me, on Thursday and Friday,

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Speaker 1: and then on Saturday it'll be Casey and Bill breaking

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Speaker 1: down the Colts draft. Right, let's get that housekeeping out

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Speaker 1: of the way. It is draft week, and I know

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Speaker 1: the NFL drafts happens in like twelve hours, depending on

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Speaker 1: when you're watching it, maybe a little bit earlier or

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Speaker 1: a little bit less time there. But I had really

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Speaker 1: interesting conversations with the colts two new defensive backs coaches,

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Speaker 1: Jerome Henderson and Chris Hewitt, that we're going to get

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Speaker 1: into here. Not really draft related, but interesting nonetheless and

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Speaker 1: something that I'm really excited to share with you guys.

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Speaker 1: The story that Jerome Henderson told me about Derrell Reeves

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Speaker 1: But I do want to talk a little bit about

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Speaker 1: the draft if you're listening to this before the Colts

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Speaker 1: compiled it was one hundred and sixty seven of these

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Speaker 1: sixty seven, one hundred and seven had the Colts taking

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Speaker 1: either Penn State tight end Tyler Warren or Michigan tight

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Speaker 1: end Colston Loveland. These are two really good football players,

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Speaker 1: two guys who you know, you can read the reviews.

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Speaker 1: You know that the write ups that Dane Brugler from

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Speaker 1: The Athletic Daniel Jeremiah from NFL dot com have on

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Speaker 1: these guys just like glowing right ups on these two players.

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Speaker 1: They're different, they're not the same. They're both really talented.

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Speaker 1: But I just I want to get this out there that, like,

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Speaker 1: sometimes it's obvious. Sometimes it is obvious that a team

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Speaker 1: might feel obvious that the Cults are going to take

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Speaker 1: Colts whole scouting department, their whole coaching staff, we don't

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Speaker 1: that's enough draft talk, because we're gonna have plenty of

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Speaker 1: Instant Reaction Inside Football with Rick Van Terry will be

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Speaker 1: back next week analyzing the NFL Draft as well. On

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Speaker 1: Thursday next week, I'm hoping to sit down with whoever

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Speaker 1: a new episode of The Colt Show that'll come out

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Speaker 1: next Thursday. For now, though, please enjoy Jerome Henderson and

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Speaker 1: Chris Hewitt Coults defensive backs coach in Cults secondary coach

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Speaker 1: really interesting conversations. You're going to learn a lot about

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Speaker 1: It is my pleasure to be joined here on the

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Speaker 1: Colts Show by Colts defensive backs coach Jerome Henderson. Jerome,

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Speaker 1: before we started recording, you had to background playing in

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Speaker 1: who's trying to guard who? In practice? Bill Brooks, our

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Speaker 3: sure my rookie year was the I was on Bill

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Speaker 3: much for that. But really good player, you know, precise

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Speaker 1: Yeah, as you know, Yeah, he's the best. All right.

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about your role here with the Colts.

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Speaker 1: How are you liking it so far? Like I guess

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Speaker 1: the question I have for every assistant coach that comes in.

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Speaker 1: You've been here for a couple of months. Now, what

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Speaker 1: do you think about Indianapolis? Or have you even had

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Speaker 1: a chance to get to know this city? Yet?

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Speaker 3: Really don't know the city. The thing I know it's

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Speaker 3: You know the streets with with state names go north

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Speaker 2: That's about it.

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Speaker 1: I mean that that kind of nomadic lifestyle of being

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Speaker 1: a coach. You were lucky enough to be in New

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Speaker 1: some of the challenges that that presents you as an

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Speaker 1: assistant coach of You know, you're saying you're standing in

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Speaker 1: an airbnb, but you're probably also barely there if I

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and and for me, I guess I don't see

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Speaker 3: it as a challenge, more opportunity. You know, very excited

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Speaker 3: I think that that the really good ones really are

435
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Speaker 3: built different, and they really see themselves different. It's like,

436
00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:02,080
Speaker 3: you know, the if you've ever seen the poster of

437
00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:06,000
Speaker 3: the little baby lion looking in the mirror, and he

438
00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:08,879
Speaker 3: sees a big lion. And I think all the great

439
00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:13,720
Speaker 3: corners see themselves bigger than they are because that that

440
00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:19,240
Speaker 3: they're gonna put their will on you, and they're never

441
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Speaker 3: gonna let you ever look at you and think you

442
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Speaker 3: have a chance. And if you got me, it was

443
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Speaker 3: something I did, it wasn't because you got me. And

444
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Speaker 3: and so I think the great ones like like kind

445
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Speaker 3: of play with that confidence, that swagger that that I

446
00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:38,520
Speaker 3: can go guard anybody, and and that's certainly what he brings.

447
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Speaker 1: That's that's very very exciting. I can't wait to see

448
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Speaker 1: how that plays out. All right, last one for you here, Jerome,

449
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Speaker 1: You've worked for a lot of great defensive minds. You know,

450
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Speaker 1: looked it up Monte Kiffen Wink, Martindale, Uh, you know

451
00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:53,720
Speaker 1: Rob Ryan. Uh, there's one other guy in there. I'm

452
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Speaker 1: I'm forgetting you know, these these great defensive coordinators. Like,

453
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Speaker 1: what what have you picked up just from those experiences

454
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Speaker 1: with those different minds, different philosophies over the course of

455
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Speaker 1: your coaching career.

456
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Speaker 3: You know, every every time you're with somebody who you

457
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 3: try to pick up something that you can add in,

458
00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,359
Speaker 3: something that benefits you. And you know a couple of

459
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Speaker 3: guys you did mention. I worked for Bob Sutton, my

460
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Speaker 3: first boss, and worked for Dick Jaron, who I learned

461
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Speaker 3: a lot from. I actually played for Bill Parcells and

462
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:34,119
Speaker 3: Belichick was my secondary coach and coordinator at one time.

463
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Speaker 3: So you have all these great like and you think

464
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Speaker 3: about all the great minds you're around, and and you

465
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Speaker 3: just try to pick up pieces while still being yourself,

466
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Speaker 3: because I know I can't go be a Bill Parcells

467
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:51,880
Speaker 3: and and if I do, any can't right, And if

468
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 3: I tried, guys, the guys would would feel it and

469
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:56,639
Speaker 3: sense it and be like, hey, man, get out here,

470
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Speaker 3: You're a fake.

471
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Speaker 2: Like so I try to.

472
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Speaker 3: Learn what I can, but still being authentically me and

473
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Speaker 3: and approaching things the way I think I should and

474
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Speaker 3: doing it the way that I think gives us the

475
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Speaker 3: best chance to win. So you know, from each coach though,

476
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Speaker 3: you really do take a lot, like like if I

477
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Speaker 3: think about Bob Sutton, like like in my first person

478
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Speaker 3: I worked for is his ability to sit back and

479
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Speaker 3: remove himself from it and look at it from like

480
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Speaker 3: a top down view, and and really was impressed with

481
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Speaker 3: that with him. And then when I worked for Dick Jaron,

482
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Speaker 3: the thing that he did was he really didn't care

483
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Speaker 3: what they do. It's all about us and how fast

484
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Speaker 3: we play and how simple we are. And and for him,

485
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:47,239
Speaker 3: the simplest thing is always the best thing. And so

486
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Speaker 3: I learned that from him. And then as you go on,

487
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Speaker 3: you just pick up these little pieces from dan Quinn,

488
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Speaker 3: you know, you learned like the energy that that and

489
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Speaker 3: the confidence and the swagger that he wants to play with.

490
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Speaker 3: Then so you pick up these little pieces from from

491
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Speaker 3: you know, each each person you work for, and you

492
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Speaker 3: and you learn and you can again try to make

493
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Speaker 3: it part parts of it, part of of what you

494
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Speaker 3: do and how you do it.

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Speaker 1: That's great. Well, welcome to Indy, Jerome. You'll be picking

496
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Speaker 1: stuff up from Lou and Romo and Shane Steichen and

497
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Speaker 1: everyone else around here in Indianapolis. Jerome Henderson, defensive backs

498
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Speaker 1: coach for the Colts, thanks for joining me here on

499
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Speaker 1: the Colt Show.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

501
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Speaker 1: Joining me here on the Colt Show is secondary coach

502
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Speaker 1: and past game coordinator Chris Hewitt. Chris, Welcome to Indy man.

503
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Speaker 1: How has it been getting adjusted to this city? So far?

504
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 5: So far, so good? I reely like how you did that?

505
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 5: You know how you just pop up with the That's

506
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Speaker 5: that's nice, man. I love the introduction.

507
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Speaker 1: I've got I've got a bit of a knack for

508
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Speaker 1: the announcer voice. Yeah, I'm also the stadium PA announcer

509
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,439
Speaker 1: right in the building, so I'm the guy who's yelling

510
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:51,120
Speaker 1: third down when it's obviously third down. So I can

511
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Speaker 1: I can like snap into that voice like my kids

512
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Speaker 1: are always like.

513
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Speaker 4: I have it. I'm not. I'm not here like this

514
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Speaker 4: is my first time. So what is that? What is

515
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Speaker 4: third down? What? What is that big thing? What do

516
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Speaker 4: you do?

517
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Speaker 1: It's third d like it?

518
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Speaker 4: I like it. That's cool.

519
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Speaker 1: And that was even more muted but I can like

520
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 1: snap in and out of like certain voices.

521
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Speaker 4: Yeah, the inflection up and down. I like it.

522
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Speaker 2: Man.

523
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Speaker 1: Now this podcast is not about me though. This is you,

524
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Speaker 1: Chris Hewett, newest member of our coaching staff here with

525
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Speaker 1: the Colts. Just tell me about like getting getting adjusted

526
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Speaker 1: to a new team and a new building. Because you

527
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Speaker 1: were in Baltimore for what twelve thirteen years? Thirteen years, yo,

528
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Speaker 1: that was your only stop in the NFL. You were

529
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Speaker 1: Rutgers before that. Just what's it been like getting used

530
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Speaker 1: to a new building here.

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Speaker 5: Well, I mean, obviously it's a it's a different culture.

532
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Speaker 5: It's a different culture, but the objective is still the same.

533
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:43,680
Speaker 5: It's all about winning and how you get to it

534
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 5: is kind of the deal. So just really getting used

535
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Speaker 5: to the culture and the people that are around the building,

536
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Speaker 5: like people like you, Like you know, thirteen years in

537
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 5: one building, you know, you get to know everybody pretty

538
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 5: much over everybody in the building.

539
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Speaker 4: Everybody knows you. So it's different, but it's a good adjustment.

540
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Speaker 1: What about working for lou Anarumo and working with lou

541
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 1: kind of attracted you to.

542
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 5: This position because of who he was in his track

543
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 5: record and the style of play, that that we hope

544
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 5: to employ here, which we will employ here. The aggressive

545
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Speaker 5: style which you know I have been a part of

546
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 5: in Baltimore and what he did when he was in Cincinnati,

547
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Speaker 5: and I've known him for you know, a lot of

548
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 5: years just secondary coach, being in the league. And first thing, first,

549
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:29,399
Speaker 5: when you want to when you work with somebody, you

550
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 5: want to work with great people, and he's one of

551
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:35,119
Speaker 5: those guys. Just great person, good people. And then obviously

552
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 5: it's football knowledge, So that's what attracted me here.

553
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Speaker 1: You're in the same division as him for obviously quite

554
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Speaker 1: some time, Like as a guy who works in the secondary,

555
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 1: Low's background is in the secondary. Like, right, did you

556
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Speaker 1: find yourself just maybe admiring like the work that he

557
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Speaker 1: did and the way that he deployed coverages from afar?

558
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Speaker 1: Like what what sort of did you see from him?

559
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Speaker 5: Obviously, you know, you you look at some of the

560
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 5: things that people do around the league, and you know,

561
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Speaker 5: some of the things that he's done to stop some

562
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Speaker 5: of our you know, some like offenses and especially going

563
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Speaker 5: against Baltimore, some of the things that he's done to

564
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 5: you know, stop Baltimore offensively. Now, sometimes it didn't work

565
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 5: so well, Butmar Jackson's offen because of Lamar Jackson. He's

566
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,440
Speaker 5: pretty's pretty damn good. But obviously, like I said, you

567
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 5: you admire what what other defenses are doing, and you

568
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:24,719
Speaker 5: you study each other. And another thing is because he's

569
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Speaker 5: a secondary guy. He knows the pains and struggles that

570
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Speaker 5: people do are going through as a secondary coach. So

571
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 5: a guy has coached the secondary, he understands and he

572
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 5: knows how to call the game to help the secondary.

573
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Speaker 5: So that's that's premium.

574
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Speaker 1: When you look at the coverages that he used in Cincinnati,

575
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Speaker 1: I mean he played everything from your cover zero to

576
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Speaker 1: your drop eight, everything in between. His versatility seemed to

577
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Speaker 1: really stick out in terms of that as a DB's coach.

578
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Speaker 1: As a secondary coach, how does that does How much

579
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Speaker 1: of a challenge is that on you? Knowing that hey,

580
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 1: Lou's gonna we're gonna change it up every week. I

581
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 1: got to be able to coach these guys to whatever

582
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 1: the game plan is, Like, how does that impact you?

583
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Speaker 4: Well?

584
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Speaker 5: I don't know any different because I've come from a

585
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 5: a defense that has multiple coverages from zero to two

586
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 5: to three fours, different form of fours. Six is we

587
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 5: play it all? There's no defense or any kind of

588
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 5: coverage that I haven't played. You know, different nuances within

589
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 5: the defenses that he that he has that I that

590
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 5: i've you know, probably haven't haven't played, but interested to

591
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 5: learn them and go through it. But those are the

592
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 5: type of things that I'm used to, so I don't

593
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Speaker 5: blink and I when somebody says, hey, we're gonna do this,

594
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 5: we're gonna do that, whatever, let's go.

595
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Speaker 4: I've done it before.

596
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Speaker 1: I want to talk a little bit about Baltimore because

597
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Speaker 1: when I was reading through your bio, John Harbaugh coached

598
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Speaker 1: you for a year in college.

599
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Speaker 5: Right, for all the I was in Universe sisinnat five years,

600
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Speaker 5: all five years.

601
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Speaker 4: John Harbor was a five years Yeah, he was there.

602
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 5: He a special teams coordinator, right, yeah, so I was

603
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 5: a a lot of pounds, but a lot of pounds

604
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 5: before that, but I was I was a kick return

605
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 5: I was pretty good. So yeah, yeah, that's what what

606
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 5: he coached me from. And then we developed that relationship

607
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 5: over a long time.

608
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Speaker 1: The point I want to make there is like you

609
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 1: never know who's going to be important in your life,

610
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 1: like early on, right, and a lesson that I always

611
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Speaker 1: tell I mean, you know, working in like the media

612
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 1: space I always tell people is like, you never know

613
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Speaker 1: who can help you out later in life.

614
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Speaker 4: There's no doubt.

615
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Speaker 1: It's cool seeing that from a coaching perspective because I

616
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Speaker 1: when I was even talking to Lou, he coached with

617
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Speaker 1: Joe Philbin at the Merchant Marine Academy, right, and then

618
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 1: Joe Filben was the one who gave him his first

619
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Speaker 1: NFL job and hired him in Miami. Like you've you've

620
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Speaker 1: lived that, Yeah, Like if you're giving advice out to

621
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Speaker 1: a young coach you know, or someone who's in the

622
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Speaker 1: football space who maybe wants to go into something after it,

623
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Speaker 1: would you kind of use that experience of you with

624
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Speaker 1: coach Harbaugh as an example of that, Hey, you never

625
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Speaker 1: know who can help you out?

626
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Speaker 5: Well, I mean you you explained it very well. I mean,

627
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 5: especially in this business, coaching, coaching profession, it's all about relationships.

628
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 5: When you go through a season and being going through

629
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 5: a season, it's tough, it's hard. You want to be

630
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 5: with somebody who you can trust, somebody that you can

631
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 5: count on. That's what it's all about. So most coaches gets.

632
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 4: What they do. They go with people who they know

633
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 4: and people who they can trust.

634
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 5: Obviously they got to be knowledgeable, but trust is a

635
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 5: big important.

636
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Speaker 1: What about Mike Ditka? Tell me about playing for Mike

637
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 1: Ditka for three years into world I'm a Chicago guy.

638
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 1: I got to ask about Mike Ditka.

639
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Speaker 5: Well, I didn't have any like a great relationship with

640
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 5: Mike dickad Like obviously when I like when I was

641
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 5: when I was playing, I was like the fifty second

642
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:38,479
Speaker 5: guy on the roster, you know what I'm saying. So

643
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 5: I didn't have a great relationship with him. I got

644
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 5: cussed out a lot, got damn near cut like five

645
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 5: times within the game, within a game, within a game.

646
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,479
Speaker 5: You know, he's he's one of those guys. He's real emotional,

647
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 5: gets he gets going. But throughout the week great dude,

648
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 5: you know you never really heard heard much from him,

649
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 5: but come Sunday man, different cat, different cat.

650
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Speaker 4: But Mike was great. He was great.

651
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Speaker 1: I'm curious as you just you now are fifteen years

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Speaker 1: into coaching, you know in the NFL. I know you

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Speaker 1: had a lot of experience in Greg Ciano back at Rutgers,

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Speaker 1: Like how do you just kind of pick and pick

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Speaker 1: those things from a Mike Ditka, from a John Harbaugh,

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Speaker 1: from a Greg Ciano that you've now picked up that

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Speaker 1: have kind of helped you term, you know, become the

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Speaker 1: coach you are today.

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Speaker 5: Well, I mean, it doesn't matter who the guy is.

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Speaker 5: You can in coaching. You can learn a lot from

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Speaker 5: from an intern, you can learn a lot from you know.

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Speaker 5: It's it's all about perspective and being able to get

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Speaker 5: those little soundbites things that that's going to get across

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Speaker 5: to the players the fastest and the easiest way. So

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Speaker 5: I learned from a lot of coaches, but obviously Greg

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Speaker 5: and John they they are big influential guys in my

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Speaker 5: coaching career because that I learned a lot from both

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Speaker 5: of those guys, and obviously both of those men they

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Speaker 5: have been highly successful. So but again it's all about

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Speaker 5: trying to get your self what's the word I'm looking for,

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Speaker 5: really just being able to communicate, communicate with the players

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Speaker 5: and being able to get those sound bites and get

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Speaker 5: it across really fast.

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Speaker 4: So, but it doesn't it doesn't have to.

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Speaker 5: Come from a John Harbor or it could be anybody.

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Speaker 1: It's that efficiency and like your messaging.

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Speaker 4: And your that's right points, that's right.

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Speaker 1: How has how has the coaching profession maybe evolved in

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Speaker 1: your time. Specifically, let's talk about in the NFL.

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Speaker 5: Oh, the first one will probably be this change is analytics.

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Speaker 5: Analytics has become a big part of football and how you.

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Speaker 4: You draft a player, how you.

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Speaker 5: How what kind of defenses you're gonna you're gonna use

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Speaker 5: versus you know, a particular quarterback or you know. It's

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Speaker 5: it's it's it's kind of been game changing where a

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Speaker 5: lot of times you because of analytics, because you have

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Speaker 5: guys who can go through all of that, you know,

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Speaker 5: the PFF and all those things, you can get to

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Speaker 5: a game plan a lot faster through analytics.

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Speaker 1: Is that something that I don't know, I feel like

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Speaker 1: a lot of like, like I used to do a

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Speaker 1: lot of stuff in baseball, and baseball there was like

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Speaker 1: this huge resistance to analytics from like the coaches, right,

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Speaker 1: and now the sport's completely flipped where it's I think

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Speaker 1: it's almost too analytically heavy. But for football, like it's

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Speaker 1: it's a tool that you can use, but it's not

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Speaker 1: the only thing.

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Speaker 5: Definitely not the only thing. But what what it can

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Speaker 5: do is drive you to a conclusion faster. So somebody

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Speaker 5: gives you some information and you know, say they say,

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Speaker 5: all right, this guy, he really struggles with.

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Speaker 4: The middle of field close.

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Speaker 5: Okay, all right, well let me look at all the

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Speaker 5: middle of field clothing and you go through it and

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Speaker 5: be like, oh, yeah, he really does or or it's

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Speaker 5: a different coverage and you know, their analytical data is

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Speaker 5: coming out as a middle field closed and it's it's

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Speaker 5: covered zero as. I'm sorry, you don't know what you're

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Speaker 5: talking about. So my point is sometimes it can and

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Speaker 5: it can skew things too, so you still have to

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Speaker 5: do the work, but you can get to a conclusion faster.

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Speaker 1: The development of like secondaries over maybe the last fifteen years,

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Speaker 1: it feels like there's a lot of creativity that has

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Speaker 1: come with certain guy's roles. And this is going to

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Speaker 1: be a Kyle Hamilton question for you, Like when you

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Speaker 1: got Kyle Hamilton in there from Notre Dame and like,

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Speaker 1: how did you and the defensive coaching staff begin to

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Speaker 1: envision a role for him and how much outside the

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Speaker 1: box thinking did it take to get him to where

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Speaker 1: he is now, which is like, you know, an all

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Speaker 1: pro safety in the league.

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Speaker 5: Well, it's all about getting the guy into the right position.

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Speaker 5: And with a guy like Kyle, he's really like in

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Speaker 5: one on one. He's really a unicorn. There's not a

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Speaker 5: whole lot of people or human beings walking around like him.

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Speaker 5: But what is he He's almost He's six foot four,

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Speaker 5: two hundred and seventeen pounds.

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Speaker 4: He runs like a deer.

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Speaker 5: He can bend, he can bled, he does damn everything

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Speaker 5: very good to elite level. So honestly, if you put

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Speaker 5: Kyle anywhere, he's gonna he was gonna flourish. It was

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Speaker 5: all ready about just his experience getting on the field

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Speaker 5: and knowing things, and it really regardless of where you

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Speaker 5: put him, he was gonna he was gonna flourish. He's

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Speaker 5: just one of those individuals. He's one on one. You know,

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Speaker 5: guys like Ed Reid, they're just they're just one of one.

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Speaker 5: And he's that type of guy.

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Speaker 1: With the new guys of the Colts brought in in

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Speaker 1: Travarious Ward and cam buying them, how do you see

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Speaker 1: their their skill sets both mentally and physically fitting into

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Speaker 1: this defense in what you and Jerome and Lou want

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Speaker 1: to accomplish in the back end.

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Speaker 5: Well, obviously, when we looked at, you know, guys to

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Speaker 5: help us in the secondary, you're looking for smart, physical,

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Speaker 5: tough football players, and those guys embody all of those things.

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Speaker 5: They're smart, they're physical, and they're tough. And building the team,

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Speaker 5: building the defense, that's the most thing you want. Smart, physical,

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Speaker 5: tough football players. And with Cam he's kind of like

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Speaker 5: the brain back there. He's able to line everybody up

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Speaker 5: and be able to control the defense, the quarterback of it.

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Speaker 4: On the back end.

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Speaker 5: You saw all those things evident what he was doing

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Speaker 5: with the Minnesota Vikings, making plays and being able to

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Speaker 5: control guys. But his physicality, his toughness, tracking the football,

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Speaker 5: all those things, they were all there.

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Speaker 4: He was just a.

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Speaker 5: Dost everything right. So when you have a person who

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Speaker 5: just does everything right, that's the kind of guy that

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Speaker 5: you want out there on the field with you because

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Speaker 5: you're gonna win football games with them. And Javari's press corner,

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Speaker 5: he's gonna be able to eliminate that that number one receiver,

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Speaker 5: gonna be able to challenge guys at the line of scrimmage,

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Speaker 5: disrupt the timing, and they all experience and all the

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Speaker 5: things that he's done throughout his career, he hasn't slowed down.

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Speaker 5: So that's the reason why why he's here. Those again, smart, tough, physical,

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Speaker 5: football players.

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Speaker 1: When you've got those two veteran in you know, Tarvarius

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Speaker 1: and Cam and then also Kenny Moore, the second a

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Speaker 1: guy is a Pro Bowl corner right, you know, has

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Speaker 1: been really productive here in Indye. Just does that allow

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Speaker 1: you to do anything different than if you maybe had

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Speaker 1: a very young secondary back there.

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Speaker 5: You would like to think so, But it's all about

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Speaker 5: once we get out on the grass, because I don't

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Speaker 5: want I don't want to speak too early about what's

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Speaker 5: gonna happen. So we really got to get on the

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Speaker 5: grass and get that chemistry going and really find out

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Speaker 5: what we can do and what we cannot do. It's

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Speaker 5: gonna it's gonna be experiment early on until we find

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Speaker 5: out what we really do well. But if you're starting

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Speaker 5: with I can't anymore, you're starting with the camp. I mean,

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Speaker 5: that's pretty good players, You're going to be pretty good

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Speaker 5: regardless of what you do.

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Speaker 1: Isn't that the case every year?

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Speaker 4: Though?

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Speaker 1: That it's kind of an experiment at this time because rooms.

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Speaker 5: Change, absolutely, absolutely, Yeah, it's all like again, it's it's

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Speaker 5: about the chemistry and how how how guys are able

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Speaker 5: to move and how they'll be able to communicate. That's

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Speaker 5: number one thing, especially in the back end, is the communicator.

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Speaker 5: And if they can communicate and then if they understand

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Speaker 5: each other, usually ends up pretty good awesome.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, Chris Hewitt, secondary coach and past game

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Speaker 1: coordinator here, what the cult snakes are joining me here

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Speaker 1: on the Colt Show.

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Speaker 4: All right,