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Speaker 4: for the Athletic He was formerly the director of basketball

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Speaker 4: Research for the Milwaukee Bucks, and he's the author of

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Speaker 4: the brand new book The mid Range Theory, available now

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Speaker 4: Welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 2: How's it going? I guess you got the Alaskan to

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Speaker 4: It's a nice it's exactly right. Well, we appreciate you

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Speaker 4: jumping on here. We're gonna get into last night's games

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Speaker 4: with Seth and talk about the season. So far talk

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Speaker 4: about the book. You actually said right before we jumped

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Speaker 4: I can't believe we're having you the numbers guy on

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Speaker 4: here this morning, Seth, because we made history last night

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Speaker 4: in regards to the Wedgies. True, we need you to

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Speaker 4: get your calculator out and crunch the numbers on the

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Speaker 4: odds of this ever happening again. Reggie Jackson in overtime

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Speaker 4: last night Mavericks Clippers game, He's stuck not one, but

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Speaker 4: two weggies on back to back shots for him in

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Speaker 4: that overtime period, and we're showing them both to you

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Speaker 4: here live on YouTube on the same side, sort of

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Speaker 4: the same variation that little soft sort of like layup bloader.

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Speaker 4: Oh my god. People were having a blast on Twitter.

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Speaker 4: Shout out to Jordy Walters for the crying Reggie Jackson ball.

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Speaker 4: It's the old ball there, the old Spaulding. That's okay.

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Speaker 4: And yeah, weggietracker dot COM's got the update. We're up

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Speaker 4: to nine. You'd love to see it paces ticked up

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Speaker 4: a bit, but seth, I mean people were tweeting at

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Speaker 4: me like, this is more impressive than a fifty point game.

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Speaker 4: This is more impressive than Wilk Chamberlain going for a hundred.

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Speaker 4: You know, this is more impressive than Kobe's age one

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Speaker 4: back to back weggies in overtime. What are the odds

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Speaker 2: The only thing I can think of was that's that's

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Speaker 2: Reggie Jackson wins basically as I think what that means, well, yeah,

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Speaker 6: I saw earlier today on Twitter some people were calling

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Speaker 6: That was a legendary moment from Weggie Jackson. I mean,

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Speaker 6: Weggie Jackson was compared to Fernando Tatis Senior, who hit

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Speaker 5: Oh, it leaves me speechless. Let's be honest. This is

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Speaker 5: and on the call Clippers broadcasters Jim Jackson blamed it

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Speaker 5: Sports Bureau. Has never happened, And obviously that was a joke,

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Speaker 4: you caught this one this morning. But Luca, Luca returns

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Speaker 4: and the Mavericks beat the Clippers in overtime to snap

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Paul George after the game said that one second

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Speaker 5: Seven straight games of twenty or more points for the

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Speaker 2: Think it's almost it's less about the coaching almost and

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Speaker 2: him kind of the unicorn quote unquote is that he's

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Speaker 2: seven to three, but he moves like a six to

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Speaker 2: And I think physically he is. He seems closer to

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Speaker 2: I think that's that's the I mean, you can you

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Speaker 2: the single biggest factor I think is just his health.

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Speaker 5: We're gonna give credit to Jason Kidd until Seth Gem's back.

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Speaker 5: Here we go, Here we go.

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Speaker 4: Oh my goodness, No oh wait wait wait, I think

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Speaker 4: we I think we maybe have him back there, Seth.

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Speaker 2: What I said is brilliant and it's recorded on my end,

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Speaker 2: so you'll be.

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Speaker 4: Okay, flawless. I actually saw something in that game from Porzingis.

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Speaker 4: It was in the overtime when he did take over.

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Speaker 4: Remember we were having this big debate of like, ah,

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Speaker 4: He seven three, who's ever gonna block a shot? And

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Speaker 4: you're shaking your head, seth, I agree with that. It's like, no,

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Speaker 4: But yeah, that little physicality I thought was really nice

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Speaker 2: And I think that that sort of indicates the problem

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's interesting. I didn't even know you could track

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Speaker 4: that stuff. But you can track everything nowadays, can't you?

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Speaker 4: It must be so funny though, when you and Holland

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Speaker 2: No, there was like there are even people said, oh,

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Speaker 6: Deck chairs and that lay up it looks bad exactly

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Speaker 6: That lefty that Lebron throws up it looked like something

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Speaker 6: That shows you that he's not attacking as much. Surely

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Speaker 2: voice reading. So that was that was the kind of

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Speaker 2: the unexpected hard part. And and Funnily enough, one of

433
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Speaker 2: the more difficult parts was actually picking the cover. We

434
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Speaker 2: went back, we went back and forth a ton just

435
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Speaker 2: to get it right, because I, like, I wanted to

436
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Speaker 2: make sure that it was both like clear that I

437
00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:30,080
Speaker 2: was talking about like data, statistics, analytics, but also that

438
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Speaker 2: it's about basketball, not about math or correcting stuff like that.

439
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Speaker 2: And so that was, you know, that was a really

440
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Speaker 2: tough balance to strike. But I think the folks that

441
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Speaker 2: Triumph did did really a great job working with the

442
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Speaker 2: very cantank or as artists.

443
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Speaker 5: There's a lot of words. It's a very wide ranging book.

444
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Speaker 5: I'd say at about the sixty thousand word mark, you've

445
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Speaker 5: got a chapter about Carlos Boozer and Robert or take

446
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Speaker 5: it back a little bit about how Carlos Boozer far

447
00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:08,520
Speaker 5: more accolades in terms of individual accolades, but obviously Robert

448
00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:12,520
Speaker 5: Rorri his role expands in the postseason. So can you explain,

449
00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,239
Speaker 5: just get into that chapter a little bit more, how

450
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Speaker 5: one guy chans his game on in the playoffs and

451
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Speaker 5: Carlos does not.

452
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Speaker 2: So that's a cliche that the playoffs are a different

453
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Speaker 2: game than the regular season, but in many ways it

454
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Speaker 2: really is. And it comes. It almost is as much

455
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Speaker 2: about sort of the the grind of an NBA schedule.

456
00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:34,920
Speaker 2: If you're just the way you prepare is very different

457
00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:39,399
Speaker 2: if you're playing, you know, four games in six nights

458
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Speaker 2: in three cities, right, just the amount that you can say, okay,

459
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Speaker 2: who's on this team? Okay, So you play a certain

460
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Speaker 2: way as if you just don't, okay, how are we

461
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Speaker 2: going to play the best? Not knowing who we're going

462
00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:53,280
Speaker 2: to play tonight is a very different question than how

463
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Speaker 2: are we going to play against this one team? How

464
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Speaker 2: are we going to play against this one team? Now

465
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Speaker 2: that we've seen everything they do three times? How are

466
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Speaker 2: we gonna play against this one team that's one of

467
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Speaker 2: the best eight teams in the league. And so that's

468
00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:08,960
Speaker 2: almost it's it's still like it's obviously still basketball, but

469
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Speaker 2: the things that are valuable and impactful or just change

470
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Speaker 2: in those two environments, Like you know, it's kind of

471
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Speaker 2: over the course of a regular season. You probably get

472
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Speaker 2: a little bit of an advantage by being left handed,

473
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Speaker 2: just because you know, you like different. Yeah you're different,

474
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Speaker 2: it's unusual. People haven't seen it before. Then you get

475
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Speaker 2: then if I'm guarding you for the third game, in

476
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Speaker 2: a row left. It's just it, it becomes more and

477
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Speaker 2: just like that's an obvious one, but every like little

478
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Speaker 2: like all players have, not all, but all but the

479
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Speaker 2: very best players have like their their their their, you know,

480
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Speaker 2: signature spots and moves that they like to go to.

481
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Speaker 2: And as you learn those, you can you can take

482
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Speaker 2: those away. And that means whether you have different skills,

483
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Speaker 2: whether you have sort of the variability to try different things,

484
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Speaker 2: becomes much more important. Where in the regular season, you know,

485
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Speaker 2: I have one thing that I do and on any

486
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:06,440
Speaker 2: given night you can't stop it. And so Robert Rory

487
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:09,199
Speaker 2: had that sort of malleability and he was never like

488
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Speaker 2: a great offensive player, but he knew how to fit

489
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Speaker 2: in around other other around great players. Whereas Carlos Boozer

490
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Speaker 2: is like, okay, against the twentieth best defense in the

491
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Speaker 2: in the league, I'm gonna eat against the second best

492
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Speaker 2: defense in the league, I'm gonna eat my shot several times,

493
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Speaker 2: and that you know, That's that's kind of how his

494
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Speaker 2: playoff career played out. Yeah, and so it's it, but

495
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Speaker 2: it's it's important that that's a skill thing and not

496
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Speaker 2: so often it's pitched just like some kind of moral failing.

497
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Speaker 2: It's just like the things that one player was good

498
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Speaker 2: at that got him to a certain point in the

499
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Speaker 2: regular season just mattered less, right, And that's that's not

500
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Speaker 2: not his quote unquote fault. It's just you know, you

501
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Speaker 2: what my like, I think my favorite part of that

502
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Speaker 2: chapter is there's a a Corey Brewer quote about Mike

503
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Speaker 2: D'Antoni told this, Corey Brewer like spun got to the basket,

504
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Speaker 2: missed de lay up. Mike D'Antoni asks him, Corey, what happened?

505
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Speaker 2: Brewer says, Coach, I did my thing. I got to

506
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Speaker 2: the basket that I just ran of talent. And that's that's,

507
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Speaker 2: you know, that's what's happening, rather than guys, you know,

508
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Speaker 2: shrinking from the moment, despite having to you know, win

509
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 2: the game so many times, just to get to this point,

510
00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 2: like it just I just kind of reject that that.

511
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Speaker 2: It's like, Nope, that's too far. You've done everything to

512
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Speaker 2: become one of the top like quarter percent of people

513
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Speaker 2: ever to do this, and but then you get to

514
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Speaker 2: this point you just like, Nope, that's enough.

515
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Speaker 3: I quit.

516
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Speaker 2: I don't. I just that strikes me as just massively incongruous.

517
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Speaker 4: Right, right, So that's one of the chapters in this book,

518
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Speaker 4: the mid Range Theory. A couple other ones are the

519
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Speaker 4: relative value of Russell Westbrook's triple doubles and the difficulty

520
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Speaker 4: in measuring defensive achievement and the fallacy of the quick too, Like,

521
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Speaker 4: is there a favorite chapter of yours that you know,

522
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Speaker 4: looking back on, you're like, yeah, that, I'm really proud

523
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Speaker 4: of that one. I really liked writing that.

524
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Speaker 2: I think I think the one that that kind of

525
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Speaker 2: I worried over the most and end up probably happiest

526
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Speaker 2: where it is is the title chapter, the chapter about

527
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Speaker 2: the kind of the It's a little bit tongue in

528
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Speaker 2: cheek because I'm really talking about three pointers when I

529
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Speaker 2: say the mid range theory, but sort of to really

530
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Speaker 2: go deep on, Okay, we know that three pointers have

531
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Speaker 2: replaced mid range shots. Let's go a little deeper. Why

532
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Speaker 2: is this happening? Which shots are going away? And it's

533
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Speaker 2: not the you know, the art of the mid range shots.

534
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Speaker 2: It's not you know, people think of like the MJ

535
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Speaker 2: elbow fade away. Okay, nobody has that shot, but Chris

536
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:40,360
Speaker 2: Paul has his elbow leaner, like you know, Chris Middleton

537
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Speaker 2: has his has his turnaround over a smaller guy. All

538
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Speaker 2: of these kind of star, high usage players are still

539
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Speaker 2: taking those shots basically at the same amount. It's just

540
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Speaker 2: everyone else is not standing at nineteen feet, they're standing

541
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Speaker 2: at twenty four feet. The guys who are who are

542
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Speaker 2: there to kind of create space and opportunity for the

543
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Speaker 2: star players to exploit. And that's and and that that's

544
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Speaker 2: one half of it is It's not just these these

545
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Speaker 2: like the shots were all missing. Is like a you know,

546
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Speaker 2: is I junas algawskaz twenty footer? Yeah, I wish there

547
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Speaker 2: was more of that in.

548
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Speaker 5: The I miss that.

549
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Speaker 6: Yeah.

550
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Speaker 2: Yeah, So that's I mean, that's that's part of it.

551
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Speaker 2: But it's also it's not just it's not just even

552
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Speaker 2: primarily somebody with a calculator said, hey, guys, three is

553
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Speaker 2: greater than two. I mean, it's it's a it's a

554
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Speaker 2: function of rule changes, you know, like the illegal defense

555
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 2: and hand checking rules change the relative balance between post

556
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:39,399
Speaker 2: up play and like pick and role play. Guys like

557
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Speaker 2: Kevin Garnett and Lamar Odom who would have been back

558
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,679
Speaker 2: to the basket players in you know, coming up in

559
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 2: the eighties, starting in the nineties, that's how you want

560
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 2: to play you're good at to keep doing that and

561
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 2: just turning especially the power forward position, turning that into

562
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:57,360
Speaker 2: a face up position has changed played a huge part

563
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Speaker 2: in this. Then, Like this, like the strategy of the game.

564
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Speaker 2: You know, a lot of the rise in three is

565
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 2: frankly a response to like Tom Thibeau style defense. You're

566
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Speaker 2: gonna you're gonna bring an extra guy to the one

567
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 2: side of the floor where we're gonna throw the ball

568
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Speaker 2: the other side of the floor, and the shot is

569
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Speaker 2: going to be worth a whole extra point now, and

570
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,360
Speaker 2: that that, you know, changed the math of playing that defense.

571
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Speaker 2: So yeah, like they's accelerated by sort of the knowledge

572
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Speaker 2: of that we've gotten from you know, statistical analysis and

573
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Speaker 2: tracking cameras and stuff like that. But it was a

574
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Speaker 2: trend that was already going, you know, basically since the

575
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Speaker 2: inception of the three pointer.

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Speaker 3: Oh no, no, a trend.

577
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Speaker 2: But luckily that time I just kind of wrapped up

578
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Speaker 2: my point, So I think we.

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Speaker 4: That's good. Yeah, guys, do you have any more questions

580
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 4: about Seth's book or obviously the NBA season up to

581
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Speaker 4: up to date so.

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Speaker 6: Far, I've seen you mentioned on Twitter a few times,

583
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Speaker 6: Seth that playing a lot faster is super beneficial to

584
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 6: offensive teams, right, Like it's a like every second you

585
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:11,359
Speaker 6: get into your offense is worth basically a point for

586
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Speaker 6: your offensive rating. We always see at the beginning of

587
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,360
Speaker 6: the season every team is like, we're playing fast this year.

588
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 6: We're going to get as many quick shots as we

589
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Speaker 6: possibly can. They try it. It doesn't go like that

590
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 6: for the entire season. Why is it so hard for

591
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Speaker 6: teams to sustain a tempo over the course of an

592
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Speaker 6: NBA season If we know that it's going to be

593
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Speaker 6: beneficial to them to play as fast as they can.

594
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Speaker 2: I think part of it is as they can, because

595
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Speaker 2: some of it is coaches sort of okay, slow down

596
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 2: because the sort of early shots are good because when

597
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 2: players take shots early, they tend to be open. They

598
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 2: tend to be open threes or layups or stuff like that.

599
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 2: If you skip that and just like we're going to

600
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 2: shoot early, then then teams start to take some really

601
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 2: bad early shots and that like there's not much that

602
00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 2: drives coaches crazier than that. So it's like slow down.

603
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 2: So that's part of it. Part of it is is

604
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 2: like the it's it's hard to to sort of maintain

605
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 2: the discipline of that pace over you know, you're playing

606
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 2: your third game in five nights and Cherisher running up

607
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 2: the court churchure, that becomes a little harder, and I

608
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 2: think so those are those are those are two things.

609
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Speaker 2: It's it's it's mostly like some teams just can't operate

610
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,959
Speaker 2: that way. Really, it's still something you should try to do.

611
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 2: Like getting into your offense early is always good. It's

612
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 2: just that fine line between getting into the offense early

613
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Speaker 2: and just jacking up some nonsense, which especially I think,

614
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Speaker 2: especially for younger teams, is probably a line that they

615
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 2: fall more on the bad side than the good. Yea,

616
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Speaker 2: I think, which which I think we're seeing with the

617
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Speaker 2: Rockets a little bit this this year, for for example.

618
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's when you usually see too like

619
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 4: a veteran point guard like you brought up Lowry already

620
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 4: like so good at sort of like let's get going here, quicker,

621
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Speaker 4: let's you know, let's hit it ahead, let's take that

622
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Speaker 4: shot early.

623
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Speaker 2: And if the if it's not there, yeah yeah.

624
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Speaker 4: Yeah, right. Exactly what have you thought about the new

625
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 4: uh the new rules? Love them this season?

626
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 1: You love them?

627
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 2: Love them. The biggest one of the big things that

628
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Speaker 2: I've like it hasn't. The thing that's bugged me about

629
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 2: NBA plays people alway shoot too many threes. No, the reason,

630
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 2: part of the reason so many threes are we're going

631
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 2: up is that it was so easy for offensive players

632
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 2: to create an advantage, so easy for someone to you know,

633
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 2: if you can't put your body on Trey Young as

634
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 2: he goes off a screen at all without him shooting

635
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 2: free thows, then it's pretty easy for him to get

636
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 2: around the screen, get downhill and you're having to bring

637
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 2: two three players to you know, stop him and stop

638
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 2: the lob de capella and then okay, you have players

639
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 2: crashing the paint to do that. There's threes wide open

640
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 2: now that guys can you know, not not hand check,

641
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 2: not push, not you know not not you know, beat

642
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 2: up on people. But you see, like Alex Caruso gets

643
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 2: his chest into guy and forces him over the screen

644
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 2: and there's no advantage now. So that's I think that

645
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 2: has been very pleasing. Obviously, everyone's up in arms about

646
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Speaker 2: the take foul. I think that's going to obviously go

647
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Speaker 2: away next year. But I think that the rebalancing of

648
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Speaker 2: kind of the amount of physical contact a lot on

649
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 2: defense has really put offense and defense in better balance,

650
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 2: whereas last year it was a little bit of a

651
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Speaker 2: little bit of a pinball machine.

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Speaker 5: At times it felt like seth A couple quick questions

653
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Speaker 5: before you get going. You said you weren't receiving a

654
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Speaker 5: lot of pushback for the lebron Is he getting old tweet?

655
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Speaker 5: But I wonder what this Russell Westbrook excerpt that's it's

656
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Speaker 5: on the athletic from your book about his triple doubles,

657
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:40,239
Speaker 5: the value of his rebounds and if there really is

658
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Speaker 5: value to those rebounds. Can you explain that chapter of

659
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Speaker 5: your book and how much are the haters on you

660
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Speaker 5: for that?

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Speaker 2: First of all, a fair amounts. You know, there's there's

662
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Speaker 2: certain players you say anything kind of negative about and

663
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Speaker 2: they have a lot of fans, and that's that's fine.

664
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Speaker 2: The larger, you know, uh, notion of that chapter is

665
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 2: that if players play the drill as and if they

666
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 2: chase stats, those stats mean less. And that's it's funny

667
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 2: that people get like up in arms about that because

668
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 2: it's something we all sort of know that you can't,

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Speaker 2: you know, you chase stats, you look something like they

670
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 2: can hurt the team. It probably does hurt the team.

671
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 2: We know this, so, but in the specific example of

672
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Speaker 2: of of Westbrook, there's there's kind of every NBA team gets,

673
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Speaker 2: you know, some stats basically just for showing up in

674
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 2: the game. You're gonna score, at least in this era,

675
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Speaker 2: you're gonna score eighty points. Maybe in you know, in

676
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 2: the nineties, you're gonna score fifty points. And then you know,

677
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 2: build on top of that, you're gonna get twenty five rebounds,

678
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 2: you're gonna get ten or fifteen assists. Where those kind

679
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 2: of first stats go is sort of the coach and

680
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 2: the team sort of can almost choose who gets them

681
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 2: because by virtue, who has the in their hands, who

682
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 2: gets shots things like that, And a lot of Westbrook's

683
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 2: rebounding was that the kind of the rebounds that the

684
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 2: offense sort of abandons and runs back on defense. He

685
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 2: got all of them for Oklahoma City, like he led

686
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Speaker 2: the NBA over the course of his triple double years

687
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Speaker 2: in uncontested rebounds, defensive rebounds. And the flip side of

688
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 2: that is Steven Adams got no rebounds, but when Steven

689
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Speaker 2: Adams on the floor was on the floor, the thunder

690
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 2: rebounded better defensively. Then when when Russell Westbrook was on

691
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Speaker 2: the floor, if that makes sense, So Steven Adams, when

692
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Speaker 2: he Steven Adams on the floor, the Thunder were better

693
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Speaker 2: at rebounding. So all of the boards that Westbrook was

694
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 2: grabbing weren't necessarily helping the Thunder as much as that

695
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 2: total of rebounds would for another player. Now, it's not

696
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Speaker 2: to say those those rebounds are worthless or bad somehow

697
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 2: they're just not worth as much. But at the same time,

698
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Speaker 2: part of the reason west Westbrook can be effective is

699
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Speaker 2: he's great at pushing transition, getting your team into early

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Speaker 2: on offense. And when a point guard rebounds, that becomes

701
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Speaker 2: more of a more of a factor. So him getting

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Speaker 2: all these rebounds, I'm certain played into his ability to

703
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 2: you know, juice their pace and get them get them

704
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,959
Speaker 2: into early offense. So that's you know, So you're saying,

705
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 2: as rebounds there were worth worth maybe slightly less, but

706
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,320
Speaker 2: because Westbrook got them that they're turning into transition a

707
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 2: little bit more. So it bounces out, not completely, but some.

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Speaker 2: And so it's not saying that like Westbrook is bad

709
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 2: or getting a triple double is bad. It's just the

710
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 2: context of how a player goes about it matters. A

711
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,439
Speaker 2: great deal in terms of was this a good game

712
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 2: or not? Right? And it's sort of it's it's, you know,

713
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 2: our arbitrary fascination with round numbers sort of gets in

714
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Speaker 2: the way of of how much did this guy helped

715
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Speaker 2: the team?

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Speaker 5: Right?

717
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Speaker 4: So I assume, I mean, were you voting. I don't

718
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Speaker 4: know if you had an official vote, didn't, but I

719
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,320
Speaker 4: will you did it, but you would not have voted

720
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Speaker 4: for Westbrook for that particular season. So who would you

721
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Speaker 4: have gone to.

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Speaker 2: I'm trying I try to remember if whether contemporaneously it

723
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Speaker 2: would have been quiet hard and I think I was.

724
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 2: I think I would have gone Harden. But it's like, okay,

725
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 2: so he's instead of the m v P, he's number

726
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 2: two or number three, Like that's you know, that's again

727
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 2: always the fun thing about like saying these things, Oh

728
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Speaker 2: you're hating. It's like, yes, I thought I thought he

729
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 2: was the third best player, but so but that that's

730
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Speaker 2: the allustration is sort of one of my favorite concepts

731
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Speaker 2: about basketball is that about basketball stats is that what

732
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Speaker 2: you're trying to do has to be taken into account

733
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Speaker 2: with sort of what you accumulate, and when that diverges

734
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Speaker 2: from team only and then it the impacts are different,

735
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 2: which is one of those things that makes it hard

736
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Speaker 2: to compare players because you can't really it's really hard

737
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Speaker 2: to study in detail. Well, Zach Lavine's doing this and

738
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 2: Devin Booker's doing that, and how do I It makes it.

739
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 2: It makes it difficult, But that's also the part that

740
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 2: makes it interesting. It makes it so it's not like, wow,

741
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Speaker 2: I looked at him, look at his numbers on paper

742
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Speaker 2: and he's clearly better. It's like that would be lame.

743
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Speaker 4: So that allows guys like you to write books like this,

744
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 4: So we really appreciate you jumping on here. Again. Everybody,

745
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 4: go seek out sess new book, The mid Range Theory.

746
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:17,800
Speaker 4: You see it there? Can we grab this everywhere? Basically

747
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 4: seth or where do you want to send people to

748
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 4: grab this? What's what's the move?

749
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Speaker 2: The best place to get it is Amazon or Triumph

750
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Speaker 2: Books are the publisher. Triumph has done very well for me.

751
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 4: There it is.

752
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 5: And you're a celebrity out there. You've got basketball coaches

753
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 5: asking for your autograph. U w Oshkosh woman's basketball coach

754
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 5: Brad Fischert's grabbed you actually with your son as well. Hey,

755
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 5: this guy wrote this book. I'm going to read it.

756
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 5: Do you get a lot of that? Do you get

757
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 5: a lot of coaches wanting to talk to you about

758
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 5: your concepts and theories? And I know you said we

759
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Speaker 5: like to hear our own voices as writers and podcasters.

760
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Speaker 5: Does this make you feel awkward when a coach as

761
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Speaker 5: even wants to take a photo with you.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes? So we'd been conversing about the book for Coach

763
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 2: Fisher and I had been conversing about the book for

764
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Speaker 2: a while. So it wasn't like, hey, I just ran

765
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Speaker 2: into you and that was that was That was a

766
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Speaker 2: staged photo.

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Speaker 4: Felt that staged photo?

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Speaker 3: There you go, tak, that was fooled exactly.

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Speaker 4: All right, seth. So we got to take our first break.

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Speaker 4: Thanks again, congratulations on the book. Look forward talking to

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00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 4: you here on no dunks down the line again, man,

772
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 4: take care how you Thanksgiving? And on that note, he's

773
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Speaker 4: completely frozen again. We will take our first break here

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Speaker 4: and be back to have some fun Thanksgiving themed Yeah,

775
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Speaker 4: sorry about that, that's all right. It's you're really like

776
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Speaker 4: Lee today. It's actually it's absolutely all right. We'll be

777
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Speaker 4: right back, everybody, all right back with no dunks here

778
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Speaker 4: on a Wednesday. It's our final show was a week.

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Speaker 4: Oh maybe our final show ever the way we do

780
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Speaker 4: it over here. But yeah, no show tomorrow on Thursday

781
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 4: Day or Friday. Because of American Thanksgiving, We're going to

782
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Speaker 4: take some time off spend it with family and friends.

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Speaker 4: And I bring that up because I saw this comment

784
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Speaker 4: here in the stream team during the commercial break from Leo.

785
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Speaker 4: What a hot take this is. Thanksgiving is the worst

786
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Speaker 4: holiday for meat. All right. I'm a fan of the turkey,

787
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Speaker 4: maybe fan of the ham.

788
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess if you're the animal. That's definitely true.

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Speaker 4: Very true. But I do have some fun Thanksgiving themed

790
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Speaker 4: NBA questions for you guys to close out the week

791
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Speaker 4: here and to take us into the holidays. I actually

792
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 4: asked people on Twitter last night, did a little crowdsourcing, like, hey,

793
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Speaker 4: you got anything that comes to mind, like, get creative.

794
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Speaker 4: I was blown away by the responses. We got, like

795
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Speaker 4: sixty five plus responses with really good questions. It became

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Speaker 4: very difficult to just pick a couple of here, but

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Speaker 4: I did, and we'll get into them. You guys have

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Speaker 4: answers all to your answers from the stream team. LITERI

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Speaker 4: your answers in the comments below the video. If you're

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Speaker 4: watching later, or if you're listening, jump on Twitter at

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Speaker 4: no Dunk saying okay, so our first one. I think

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Speaker 4: this is pretty self explanatory here it is, Trey, which

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Speaker 4: team are you most thankful for here as we hit

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Speaker 4: the holiday season?

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Speaker 6: Well, Skeates, come on, it's the Bulls for me, obviously.

806
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Speaker 6: I don't think people realize that the Bulls were literally

807
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Speaker 6: the worst team in the league from twenty seventeen to

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Speaker 6: twenty twenty one, one hundred and two wins, fewest in

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Speaker 6: the league, less than the Knicks who are number two,

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Speaker 6: and then less than every other team who has been

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Speaker 6: like blatantly tanking over these four seasons. So the fact

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Speaker 6: that they're actually good now and they're fun and they're

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Speaker 6: one of the best stories in the league for the

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Speaker 6: first month. BA be very thankful for this, obviously, But

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Speaker 6: I'm also super thankful that the Golden State Warriors are

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Speaker 6: back as well.

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Speaker 1: They're taking us back to twenty fifteen.

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Speaker 6: It feels like with this Warriors team back in the

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Speaker 6: day when Golden State was kind of everybody's second favorite team.

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Speaker 6: They came out of nowhere with Steph Curry. They had

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Speaker 6: that great series against the Nuggets, in twenty fourteen, I

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Speaker 6: think it was, but a twenty fifth ten was the

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Speaker 6: year they finally won the title. Steph won his first MVP,

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Speaker 6: and they were just kind of like catching the league

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Speaker 6: by storm, playing a different brand of basketball, which Seth

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Speaker 6: talked about in the first block, and I don't know,

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Speaker 6: they just had a sense of joy. And that team

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Speaker 6: is one hundred percent back right now because the seventy

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Speaker 6: three to nine team was similar. Steph won his unanimous MVP,

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Speaker 6: but then the Warriors became a three to one meme,

831
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Speaker 6: no doubt about it after the finals.

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Speaker 1: Then they became the Evil Empire. Then they just had

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Speaker 1: a couple.

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Speaker 6: Of down seasons and it kind of seemed like they

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Speaker 6: would only ever be a dark horse contender. Right now,

836
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Speaker 6: it feels like we're one hundred percent back to the

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Speaker 6: Warriors being the best and most fun team in the league.

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Speaker 6: It's been fun to watch, you know. It feels so

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Speaker 6: similar right now. Steph is Steph, Draymond is Draymond. I

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Speaker 6: guess you're saying Andrew Wiggins is probably Harrison Barnes, Jordan

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Speaker 6: Poole is Leandro Barbosa, Memono b Alitza is David Lee,

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Speaker 6: Steve Kerr is Steve Kerr. It works perfectly. Klay Thompson

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Speaker 6: is still the comeback. They're playing with joy. I just

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Speaker 6: simply loved. Joy is a great thing, especially around the holidays.

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Speaker 6: So thankful for the balls, Thankful for the Warriors.

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Speaker 4: I would agree with that too, because they have disappointed

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Speaker 4: over the last couple of years. Injury a big part

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00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 4: and stuff like that. The Warriors, and we weren't watching

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Speaker 4: a lot of their games, like at that West Coast start.

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00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 4: We have watched so much Warriors basketball the five or

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Speaker 4: six years prior and going deep into the into the

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Speaker 4: postseason and always hitting into the finals. Yeah, it was

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Speaker 4: like we like refreshed ourselves and it's been a joy

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00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 4: to have them back. What's your answer, though, tast team

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00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:30,879
Speaker 4: you're most thankful for right now?

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00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, good ones there, Minor the Cleveland Cavaliers. They are

857
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:38,359
Speaker 5: just a scrappy bunch. The fight level of this team

858
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 5: isn't going to change, even though they've got a lot

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00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:43,919
Speaker 5: of guys out and they're earning respect around the league

860
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 5: again after being a laughingstock the last few years. They

861
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 5: only had to combine sixty wins the last three seasons.

862
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 5: I guess they had a lebron season before that, and

863
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 5: that's the only reason why they had a better record

864
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 5: than the Chicago Bulls over the last four years. But

865
00:41:56,840 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 5: they are just had a terrible reputation and then this

866
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 5: year they did it from within. It's not like they

867
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 5: went out and grabbed a lot of different guys other

868
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:08,879
Speaker 5: than Ricky Rubio, who is a fantastic story and would

869
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,760
Speaker 5: be a fantastic guy to bring to the Thanksgiving table

870
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:14,800
Speaker 5: because he always turns you to turn that frown upside

871
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 5: down and be happy. He's just a great dude. But

872
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 5: they did it, you know, from JB. Bickerstaff coming back

873
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 5: as head coach, and it just makes you believe. It

874
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 5: makes you believe that anything is possible, Like you're Kevin

875
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 5: Garnett and they're at nine and nine, even though you

876
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 5: know they was They started nine to five and have

877
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 5: lost four in a row. Nobody walks over the Cavs, Nobody.

878
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:38,840
Speaker 5: They just lost a five point game to the Brooklyn

879
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 5: Nets despite you know, missing a ton of guys, a

880
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 5: ton of games are from their best Darius Garland mobile,

881
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 5: Jared Allen, Isaac Carrol Markin and love Sex and everybody's

882
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 5: missing time. But they do it by committee and the

883
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,360
Speaker 5: teamwork is impressive. And I just think that at this

884
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 5: point here in America we're all divided. This team is

885
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 5: coming together and they're yeah, they're just doing it together,

886
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 5: and that fight level is not going anywhere. They've had

887
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 5: lots of good wins. It's uh, it's fun to watch them,

888
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 5: and they could they could be way better. They're nine

889
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:11,919
Speaker 5: and nine, but they are tied for the lead league

890
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 5: in blown leads with six and that means that, you know,

891
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 5: they're a legit nine to nine for me, and if

892
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 5: they had their guys healthy, they would have been even better.

893
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 5: So I'm thankful to watch this bunch just grow from within.

894
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 4: Just hope Mobilely gets back onto the court, you know,

895
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 4: in a couple of weeks here, because that's what they

896
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 4: originally had his diagnosis there, his injury. So hopefully he's back, yeah,

897
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:34,720
Speaker 4: sooner rather than later. Yeah yeah, And I think.

898
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:38,280
Speaker 5: The athletic Kelsey roofs. So he's out there, he's touching

899
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 5: the ball again, So yeah, he's he seems like a

900
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 5: quick healer.

901
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:45,840
Speaker 6: Good, All right, great, I was on the scouting report.

902
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 6: I heard that's why he went so high.

903
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 4: Okay, what about this question here again Thanks Thanksgiving themed

904
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 4: who's been the biggest turkey so far? Task? You got

905
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 4: to start with this one.

906
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 5: Unfortunately it's Zion Williams, and especially because this is the

907
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,320
Speaker 5: week we all gain a few pounds here in America,

908
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 5: and everybody loves talking about Zion Williamson being overweight. And

909
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 5: it's fair to question whether his body type can hold

910
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:15,360
Speaker 5: up in the NBA because I don't think we've ever

911
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:19,880
Speaker 5: seen somebody this big who is relied upon to be

912
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 5: a number one guy. Obviously, we've seen huge guys like

913
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 5: if you're trying to think of a number one guy,

914
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 5: you know, at six six, two hundred and eighty pounds,

915
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 5: you know, the Barkley comes in, even though he was shorter.

916
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:35,240
Speaker 5: But but Barkley is playing weight was smaller, and Barkley,

917
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:38,360
Speaker 5: I remember, did say he gained twenty pounds right before

918
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 5: the drafts because he didn't want the Sixers to draft him,

919
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 5: so he went to Denny's all the time. But you know,

920
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:47,720
Speaker 5: Barkley wasn't injured, he stayed healthy. And at Zion, whatever

921
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 5: weight he's at, you know, it's ranging from two hundred

922
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 5: and eighty pounds when he's playing to reports our three

923
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 5: hundred now and you know, you see the photos and

924
00:44:56,520 --> 00:45:00,360
Speaker 5: it's it's fair to question this season for the for

925
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 5: the Pelicans. Either they're at three and sixteen, he's weeks away.

926
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 5: He'll hopefully be clear for five on five this week,

927
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:08,359
Speaker 5: but a third of their season will probably be done.

928
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 5: And it's just it's a it's a Turkey like season

929
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,320
Speaker 5: because there's talk about them moving already from New Orleans,

930
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:19,360
Speaker 5: which you know hopefully that does not happen. And I

931
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:23,840
Speaker 5: just I know that it's on Zion and him getting healthy.

932
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 5: But I guess if there was an image of a turkey,

933
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,399
Speaker 5: if we're trying to imagine a Pelican's turkey, half would

934
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 5: be Zion Williamson his face, and half would be head

935
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 5: of bb OPS David Griffin, because he is. He's under

936
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 5: the gun for sure. I mean, if it doesn't turn around,

937
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 5: he just he didn't handle the Zion Williamson injury all

938
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 5: that well. So that's that's a bad situation there in

939
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 5: New Orleans because the team behind Zion, even if he

940
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 5: does get on the floor, it's still a question mark.

941
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 5: They haven't put it together. But again, he would elevate

942
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 5: that team so quickly, So you know, I say that

943
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 5: in one bread and then on the other side, if

944
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 5: he comes back, he's just got to be healthy. And

945
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 5: that's the huge question. Who the heck knows with that one?

946
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 5: Not a quick healer in this season anyway.

947
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 4: It was it was on the scouting report, what do

948
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 4: you have a trade for this biggest turkey so far?

949
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 6: Well, Ben Simmons maybe could be the biggest turkey because

950
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 6: it's feeding a lot of people. Ben Simmons is you know,

951
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:28,359
Speaker 6: John Schumann mentioned it to us on Twitter yesterday. It's

952
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 6: taken a long time to bake this turkey. We've been

953
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 6: talking about Ben Simmons possibly being traded for months and months,

954
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 6: and we still got a ten minute segment out of

955
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:42,280
Speaker 6: Ben Simmons possibly being traded. Leftovers, you know, maybe slice

956
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:44,399
Speaker 6: up a sandwich here. There's a lot of meat left

957
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 6: on the bone for Ben Simmons. Once he finally gets traded,

958
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 6: we're still going to be talking about how he fits

959
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 6: with his next team. But you know, I don't know

960
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:54,359
Speaker 6: if I consider some people like turkey, some people don't.

961
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:57,399
Speaker 6: So also a good Ben Simmons point, they're very polarizing player.

962
00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 1: I'd also say de Aaron Fox is kind of a

963
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 1: turkey to me. Right now, just because.

964
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 6: I feel bad for the guy at this point. He's

965
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 6: new contract that he signed with the Kings just kicked

966
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 6: in this season, and the team stinks like they always have,

967
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 6: and Task mentioned it. The body language is just not

968
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:17,239
Speaker 6: great with Fox. He's obviously struggling this season. He's getting

969
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:19,439
Speaker 6: closer to twenty points per game, but he's still under

970
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 6: thirty percent from three and he's just got to be

971
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 6: feeling like wrong holiday, but this is Groundhog's Day. It

972
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 6: feels like the same exact Kings team all the time,

973
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 6: and he just looks sad out there, like, oh my goodness,

974
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 6: I gotta spend the next five seasons doing the exact

975
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 6: same thing. I almost wonder if he's pulling like a

976
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:38,799
Speaker 6: stealth Simmons trying to get his way out of Sacramento

977
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 6: by just possible not being one hundred percent involved and

978
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 6: just dogging it out there. So to me, Fox is

979
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:47,879
Speaker 6: one of the guys who has disappointed most so.

980
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 2: Far this season.

981
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 4: Yep, good answers there. I actually stopped myself guys in

982
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:56,839
Speaker 4: the A bloc, from asking Seth about potential Ben Simmons trades.

983
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 4: I was like, I was about to do it. I

984
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 4: was like, no one show, one show. We can take

985
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 4: a break, all right. Our next question here, this one

986
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 4: came by way of at Taylor underscore Stein, So this

987
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 4: was from him, shout out to Taylor out there. It's

988
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 4: a little interesting. He asked, which player has been the

989
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 4: canned cranberry to their team's feast this year? Yes, the

990
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:27,799
Speaker 4: canned cranberry, and he went on to sort of clarify task. Reliable,

991
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:33,399
Speaker 4: surprisingly still around and squarely meets expectations. Now, I am

992
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 4: not a canned cranberry guy, but I understand where Taylor's

993
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 4: coming from. Some people would describe it as such. So

994
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 4: when it comes to a player, what's an answer for

995
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:41,399
Speaker 4: Taylor here?

996
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 5: Well, Taylor, the feast is going on, and then you

997
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 5: throw in this side here it comes off the shelf

998
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 5: and provides a little bit of color, a little bit

999
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 5: of color for this beige table. The red cranberry comes in,

1000
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 5: and for me, it's Montrez Harrel off the bench on

1001
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 5: the shelf as the wizard's feast. Fantastic, And I guess

1002
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 5: people sort of forgot about Mantrez Harold because of the

1003
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 5: season he had with the Lakers. You know, he's he's

1004
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:11,919
Speaker 5: still young enough to be producing but he came back

1005
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 5: with a vengeance this season. At seventeen and nine. He

1006
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:18,840
Speaker 5: is a six Man of the Year candidate, shooting sixty

1007
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:23,319
Speaker 5: five percent from the field, which is really nuts. And

1008
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 5: you know sometimes as the table, it's it's it's one tone,

1009
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 5: it's it's straight beige. He is kind of the energy

1010
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 5: the team needs a little bit of pick me up.

1011
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:37,799
Speaker 5: I know you're not a fanskeet so the cankrans No,

1012
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 5: I'm not either my but it's nice to have something

1013
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 5: a little sweet, you know at the table. Little tangyeh,

1014
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 5: little tangy exactly.

1015
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1016
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 5: Change the color of your plate? Whoa color?

1017
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 4: We have a lot of suggestions, Trey before we get

1018
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 4: your answer. I mean, the stream team's going crazy here.

1019
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:57,839
Speaker 4: We got LaMarcus Aldridge as a possibility, Mill Sap, maybe

1020
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:07,239
Speaker 4: mels on Side, Crab, Jeff Green Toash Gibson is a

1021
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:10,360
Speaker 4: pretty good one, just sort of always there. So anyway,

1022
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:11,880
Speaker 4: who do you have, Trey, what's your answer for the

1023
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:14,280
Speaker 4: canned cranberry also known as cranberry sauce.

1024
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 6: I guess sure, yeah, yeah, I actually Tash Gibson is

1025
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 6: a good one as a Hassan kran side. Not a

1026
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 6: guy I was expecting anything from but give me Andre Drummond,

1027
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 6: mostly known for his big beefs, but this has been

1028
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 6: a great fine for the Sixers. Backup center, a very

1029
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:33,799
Speaker 6: valuable position for Philadelphia. Usually it has been Embiid getting

1030
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 6: in trouble with injuries. Obviously he's had COVID this year.

1031
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:39,240
Speaker 6: But it's been nice for the Sixers to have Andre

1032
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 6: Drummonds step in. Nine starts, three beefs, seventh in the

1033
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:45,319
Speaker 6: league in rebounding, plays, a little bit of defense on

1034
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 6: the perimeter, decent passing, also cheap. He's on a minimum

1035
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:51,760
Speaker 6: deal there. You can get a can of Cranberry sauce

1036
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 6: for like two bucks probably, so you're getting the value

1037
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 6: both ways, but also not a huge ceiling for Cranberry

1038
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 6: sauce out can, not a huge ceiling for Andre Drummond.

1039
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 6: The Sixers are three and six in his starts. That

1040
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 6: was a question I kind of had for Seth, Like

1041
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 6: you talk about do rebounds mean anything? Do Andre Drummond's

1042
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 6: rebounds mean anything? Or is he the king of being

1043
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 6: their closest guide to the hoop grabbing the boards just

1044
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 6: like Cranberry sauce is drifting by getting by on the strength.

1045
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 1: Of mashed potatoes.

1046
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 6: You know, it doesn't have to bring a lot to

1047
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 6: the table, but Drummond has been a solid find. I

1048
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 6: think it's kind of similar to Montrez Harrel, where they

1049
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 6: both had bad seasons last year. They're coming into contract

1050
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 6: years this year, both balling out, given a hundred percent

1051
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:38,799
Speaker 6: effort when they can. So yeah, I wasn't expecting much

1052
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 6: from Drummond as the backup center in Philadelphia, but it's

1053
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 6: been nice having him around.

1054
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, the ones that definitely mean something, or he does

1055
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:46,919
Speaker 4: grab a lot of offensive rebounds, so totally, he's given

1056
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 4: him a second chance.

1057
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:47,879
Speaker 5: There.

1058
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 4: Somebody in the stream team asked me because I said

1059
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 4: I don't like cranberry sauce, but Evan wants to know

1060
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:59,319
Speaker 4: do you like cranberry? Canada Dry Absolutely a beautiful beverage

1061
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 4: around the holiday scene. Now I've talked about this before.

1062
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 4: I find it difficult to find the raspberry version of

1063
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:09,880
Speaker 4: Canada Dry cranberry. You see a lot more in most stores,

1064
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 4: but every once in a while you find the raspberry.

1065
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:17,759
Speaker 4: Oh I love it. I love it so good. It's

1066
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 4: so good. Thank you for asking that. Okay, final one

1067
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:22,399
Speaker 4: and JD I definitely want to hear from you too.

1068
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:25,719
Speaker 4: We'll start with Trey, but this was from at J

1069
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:30,240
Speaker 4: phil p ninety seven on Twitter, which I did modify

1070
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:33,720
Speaker 4: it a little bit, But which four current NBA players

1071
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 4: would you invite over for Thanksgiving? And then the bonus

1072
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 4: question is what dish is each player bringing? So Trey again,

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00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 4: get us started here. I wanted current players. I really

1074
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 4: don't know why I made it that bad, but anyway,

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00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 4: I guess it's more realistic. It could happen who you

1076
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 4: invite over.

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00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 6: Well, we had a stream teamer mentioned that Thanksgiving is

1078
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:58,319
Speaker 6: a bad holiday for meat, and I think we can

1079
00:52:58,360 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 6: all agree you got to have meat on the table.

1080
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 6: So I'm bringing two sets of teammates here, first from

1081
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:08,799
Speaker 6: the Detroit Pistons aka the Detroit Proteins. Gotta have Isaiah

1082
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:13,360
Speaker 6: Beef Stewart in the mix. And I'm also opening my

1083
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 6: heart guys, and I'm gonna try a Thanksgiving ham a

1084
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 6: dude Diallo. So I'll have those two guys as my

1085
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 6: main courses. But you gotta have some sides. So I'm

1086
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 6: going on down to New Orleans, where I'm getting some

1087
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:31,240
Speaker 6: Josh Hardy potatoes and a little bit of Herb Jones

1088
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 6: for seasoning.

1089
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 5: Up.

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00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:38,719
Speaker 1: This was all working up to that Herb Jones joke.

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00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:41,799
Speaker 4: Bring up a guy named Herb. We don't talk about

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00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:46,360
Speaker 4: it here, right Herb Okay?

1093
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:46,840
Speaker 3: I like that.

1094
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:48,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, firing the pun gun here?

1095
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 5: Yeah, I forgot about those puns. Yeah, Jeremy Lamb can

1096
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:56,520
Speaker 5: show up if you want every meat there you go,

1097
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:57,439
Speaker 5: got al and beat.

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00:53:57,880 --> 00:53:59,840
Speaker 4: Who are you inviting tass and are you giving them

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00:53:59,880 --> 00:54:00,800
Speaker 4: so something to bring.

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00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 5: Well to me? I like some things at the Thanksgiving

1101
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 5: table to be super basic. And my man Jannis Atakumpo,

1102
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:13,320
Speaker 5: we know he celebrated having a smoothie when he first

1103
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:16,239
Speaker 5: got to America. His tweet, God bless America when he

1104
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 5: had his first smoothie. Just it's a simple drink. So

1105
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:24,720
Speaker 5: is the Oreo cookie, which he celebrated yesterday. He said,

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00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 5: you won't believe me, but a kid just told me

1107
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 5: to try dunking my Oreos and milk man game changer

1108
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 5: on Twitter hashtag new bedtime snack. And I don't think

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00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 5: this is an ad. I think he just had an oreo.

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00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:40,959
Speaker 6: I love hashtag mad My girl didn't tell me that's

1111
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 6: so funny.

1112
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Speaker 5: Yeah, he's always always taking it out on Mariah I am.

1113
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:54,320
Speaker 5: I like thinks simple. Yesterday I got in a stuffed

1114
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 5: or a stuffing, a box stuffing just straight off a

1115
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:00,839
Speaker 5: Walmart shelf. Yeah, and Danielle saw it on a Walmart shelf.

1116
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 5: She said, I know you like your box step and tests.

1117
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 5: I like it all year round. So I threw it

1118
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 5: in a pan butter water done. And I think the

1119
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 5: Koompo would bring a box stuff the simplest thing. And

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Speaker 5: because he likes Oreos, smoothies and stuffing, he's a simple man.

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00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:25,360
Speaker 4: You do like a simple, just dry box stuffing. Okay,

1122
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:28,840
Speaker 4: it's not drop well, I mean it's I like it.

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00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 4: They don't worry. I love it.

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00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:34,360
Speaker 5: When you make it it gets wet, it does. Like

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00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 5: I know people are complaining turkey is so dry. Well

1126
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 5: get somebody who will make a wet turkey for you,

1127
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:44,720
Speaker 5: or make make it yourself. It doesn't have to be dry.

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Speaker 5: It's all in the preparation. And it's hey, you know

1129
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:51,840
Speaker 5: I've I've had a lot of dry turkey in the past.

1130
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:55,920
Speaker 5: It's hard to make a good turkey. My mom she

1131
00:55:56,040 --> 00:56:00,360
Speaker 5: struggled making a turkey growing up. I gotta admitted, but mhm,

1132
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 5: it's possible. It's possible to make a good Turkey, and

1133
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 5: I'm okay with a box stuffing. Sometimes box you can

1134
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:10,759
Speaker 5: you can have get you're talking about. We talked about

1135
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 5: sloppy Joe's and sloppy beefs. You can have a sloppy stuffing.

1136
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:18,440
Speaker 5: You can oversaturate stuff. Yeah, And I think Yannis can

1137
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 5: show up with straight.

1138
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:22,840
Speaker 4: Up box stove basically yeah, yeah.

1139
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:26,800
Speaker 5: Stove top boom boom boom, not stove in what's the difference.

1140
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:27,200
Speaker 5: I don't know.

1141
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:29,320
Speaker 4: Do you have any other invites or just sianness?

1142
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 5: And I'm gonna bring Lamellow because we know the photo

1143
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:38,439
Speaker 5: of him in his car, yellow jacket, yellow car, because

1144
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 5: I'd like to show him what's under my hood because

1145
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:42,399
Speaker 5: I bought an ey car and I'd like to show

1146
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 5: him my front front trunk and want to keep in there.

1147
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 5: There ain't an engine in there. It's crazy, can you

1148
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 5: believe it?

1149
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:52,760
Speaker 4: Just show it my throat.

1150
00:56:53,239 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 5: It's an extra compartment, like a big glove compartment. Yeah.

1151
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:03,239
Speaker 5: Do you keep anything in it? I do? I do.

1152
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:05,239
Speaker 5: I've got you got a baseball glove in it.

1153
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:07,799
Speaker 4: I thought you're ready, you're gonna say it's like full

1154
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 4: of just boxes of stoveshault. That's his pantry. Okay, anyone else?

1155
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 5: No, No, that's it. Man.

1156
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 4: You really answered that question like Leela Switt bringing up

1157
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 4: Fourial cookies to get the honist and then the car.

1158
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 4: I love it.

1159
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 1: JD.

1160
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 4: Who you inviting over to Thanksgiving? What are they bringing?

1161
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 7: I mean, Okay, he's not a player, but I have

1162
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 7: to it's gotta be Greg Popovich because you know I

1163
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:37,680
Speaker 7: love wine, and you know he's bringing a good wine

1164
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:39,920
Speaker 7: and there's a lot of wine drinkers in the NBA.

1165
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:43,919
Speaker 7: But I feel like Greg's he his I think he's

1166
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 7: next level in his cellar. I think he's gonna bring

1167
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 7: something something really really special.

1168
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1169
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 7: I love a family game night breaking out, you know

1170
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 7: at these dinners, so Rajon Rondo. I mean, let's get

1171
00:57:56,720 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 7: the Connect four out and let's throw down, let's get

1172
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 7: let's I like it when it gets ugly, like let's

1173
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:06,480
Speaker 7: let's get angry at each other. That's Thanksgiving to me.

1174
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:12,080
Speaker 7: Jimmy Butler obviously going to do the after dinner coffees, right,

1175
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:18,160
Speaker 7: but Lowell, he's gonna stop off at Magic City and

1176
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 7: bring me those lemon pepper wings that I've heard so

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00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 7: much about but I've I've never had and of course,

1178
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 7: just as an added bonus, I'm gonna invite Sergea Baka

1179
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 7: and Kyle Kuzma because we may go out in the

1180
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 7: backyard for a little while time fire actions. So I

1181
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 7: want my guests to be warm, and they will definitely

1182
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:40,480
Speaker 7: be warm. They'll just snuggle up to one of these

1183
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 7: two and climb under that sweater or scarf and.

1184
00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, really nice. Hey have you ever played

1185
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 4: the board game Code Names?

1186
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:53,080
Speaker 7: No, I haven't.

1187
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 4: I don't know if you have.

1188
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 1: I don't have it.

1189
00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:58,680
Speaker 4: I'll let you borrow it. I think I could see

1190
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 4: you and the family getting into that. It's it's fun game.

1191
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 4: I know trays played. We played when we were on

1192
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:06,600
Speaker 4: vacation with a bunch of people once. We just bought it.

1193
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 4: That's why this is how good it is. My wife

1194
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:13,040
Speaker 4: Nora hates board games. She hates card games. I've said

1195
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 4: this before. She liked this game so much that she

1196
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 4: bought it. I was like, what you so, yes, I'm

1197
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:23,800
Speaker 4: in Yeah, it is all right. Well, let's hear from

1198
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 4: everybody on the stream team. Drop your answers in the

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00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 4: YouTube comments to all four of those Thanksgiving themed cues.

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00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 4: We're gonna take one more break jad's got tweeted the night.

1201
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 4: We got pick the results and we'll get you ready

1202
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:40,080
Speaker 4: for the long NBA weekend. We'll be right back. Okay,

1203
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 4: it's time for tweet of the night.

1204
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:45,479
Speaker 5: Tweet o the night.

1205
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 2: Wow.

1206
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:54,040
Speaker 7: Yeah, we're going super old school for tweet the Night

1207
00:59:54,120 --> 01:00:01,560
Speaker 7: today because it's a nineties era topic, which is apropos

1208
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:05,400
Speaker 7: and uh it comes out of a physical newspaper. That

1209
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:09,800
Speaker 7: old man Tassi. Uh, he had his Atlanta Journal Constitution

1210
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:14,640
Speaker 7: out reading the paper. He grabbed the scissors, clipped out this,

1211
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:17,280
Speaker 7: uh this article and sent it to me and I said, hey,

1212
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:19,840
Speaker 7: I've already clipped it myself, Tassy and put it on

1213
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:23,640
Speaker 7: my fridge. So, uh, they're just shuffling around and our slippers,

1214
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 7: doing our old man stuff.

1215
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:25,600
Speaker 5: And here it is.

1216
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:28,520
Speaker 4: It's the Backstreet Boys.

1217
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:33,480
Speaker 7: I want it that way. Is in YouTube's billion views club.

1218
01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:38,360
Speaker 7: I mean, wow, crazy, that's crazy news to me because honestly,

1219
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:41,720
Speaker 7: I thought, how isn't it already, Like, how is it

1220
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:46,000
Speaker 7: not already billion views? And then I realized there's there's

1221
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:52,760
Speaker 7: only five other songs from the nineties that have reached

1222
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:56,360
Speaker 7: a billion views on YouTube. So let's let's do some

1223
01:00:56,440 --> 01:01:02,080
Speaker 7: trivia time. Can you name the five other nineties released

1224
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:07,560
Speaker 7: songs that are in the billion view club on YouTube.

1225
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:09,200
Speaker 4: I'm gonna be bad at this.

1226
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:12,600
Speaker 5: It's not as I guess it is hard?

1227
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:17,160
Speaker 4: Is that why you blurred out the one? Look at you? Okay, Trey,

1228
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:18,360
Speaker 4: I mean you're gonna be better at this?

1229
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:20,080
Speaker 1: I think I don't think so, Skates.

1230
01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:23,800
Speaker 6: My first two thoughts were, OMC, how bizarre?

1231
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:27,880
Speaker 5: Interesting? Wow, that would be bizarre.

1232
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:31,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, that a billion views? I want to know the rest.

1233
01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:35,120
Speaker 6: I'm buying the rights. The other guest I had was

1234
01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:37,640
Speaker 6: My Heart Will Go On by Celine Dion.

1235
01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:39,760
Speaker 1: Oh that's a Titanic.

1236
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:42,560
Speaker 7: It's a good guess. But well that did that was

1237
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:44,400
Speaker 7: released in two thousand? I think, wasn't it?

1238
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:44,640
Speaker 3: Oh?

1239
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:51,080
Speaker 5: Was it something? Something d in that family of absolute one?

1240
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:52,280
Speaker 5: That's okay, let's get.

1241
01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:54,040
Speaker 4: Okay, what about what about the Spice Girls?

1242
01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:57,760
Speaker 7: Not the Spice Girls? And I'll also say that that

1243
01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:01,000
Speaker 7: the Backstraight Boys are the only boy band in this.

1244
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:04,200
Speaker 4: Oh interesting, Okay we're.

1245
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:08,520
Speaker 7: Talking about Okay, think grunge. The biggest grune smells like

1246
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:09,040
Speaker 7: teen Spirit.

1247
01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:09,800
Speaker 1: Okay, got it.

1248
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:12,000
Speaker 4: I should have said this. Wow, that is amazing.

1249
01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:16,680
Speaker 7: Yeah, I know it's crazy. This list Okay, this band.

1250
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:24,120
Speaker 7: Lee did not like the Cure Now he was he

1251
01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:27,880
Speaker 7: likes he he was disappointed by them because and it

1252
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:32,160
Speaker 7: wasn't actually the band and they were late. He just

1253
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:33,600
Speaker 7: talked about this last week.

1254
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:34,320
Speaker 5: He did.

1255
01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:35,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh yeah.

1256
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:40,240
Speaker 5: It wasn't the complete wasn't the complete band?

1257
01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:45,000
Speaker 7: Wasn't the complete band? Heavy metal band from the eighties.

1258
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:47,400
Speaker 5: November Rain?

1259
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:49,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, okay, that's the video.

1260
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:53,040
Speaker 7: Okay, this isn't a hint. This is a comment. I

1261
01:02:53,120 --> 01:02:56,120
Speaker 7: despised this band and I cannot believe it has a

1262
01:02:56,360 --> 01:03:01,840
Speaker 7: billion Oh no, no, no all female group at the time,

1263
01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:06,880
Speaker 7: but when they released their album, they replaced their drummer

1264
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:09,720
Speaker 7: with a male person like no Doubt or something.

1265
01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:14,720
Speaker 1: Nope, all women s w V this.

1266
01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:16,200
Speaker 5: This is hard.

1267
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:20,720
Speaker 7: Yeah, you'll be like, what a billion listens for this song?

1268
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:24,760
Speaker 4: They all it's a it's a band a women.

1269
01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:28,840
Speaker 7: All all women, all all female when they started, but

1270
01:03:29,120 --> 01:03:30,600
Speaker 7: they did have a male drummer.

1271
01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:33,880
Speaker 4: People are saying, like four.

1272
01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:34,560
Speaker 5: You got it?

1273
01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:41,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, come on, I got That's like that to

1274
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:44,080
Speaker 6: me would be on par with hal Bizarre by o MC.

1275
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:47,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally nineties one hit wonder that's a crazy one.

1276
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:50,480
Speaker 7: Yeah, And she went on to write some good songs

1277
01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:53,240
Speaker 7: Linda Perry of the of She she wrote songs for

1278
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:57,600
Speaker 7: Pink and for Christina Aguilera. But anyway, okay, two more

1279
01:03:57,880 --> 01:04:07,160
Speaker 7: uh huge grun song. Huge grunge band UH female singers

1280
01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:15,479
Speaker 7: whose uh name rhymes with the female body part little

1281
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:16,920
Speaker 7: Seinfeld reference there.

1282
01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:24,960
Speaker 5: And didn't we There was a mention of the band

1283
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:27,560
Speaker 5: their name in the in the last segment of the

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Speaker 5: show and the Thanksgiving portion of the show with with

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Speaker 5: with an item. That's right, tre you got it, you.

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Speaker 4: Got a insane I know.

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Speaker 7: Okay, last last one, this one's not that insane. This

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Speaker 7: is a cover song of one of my favorite, one

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Speaker 7: of the best ballads ever written. And I would argue

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Speaker 7: that this this version is not as good as the original,

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Speaker 7: but it's one of the biggest songs of all time,

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Speaker 7: sung by one of.

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Speaker 4: The Whitney Houston. Yes, Yeah, I will always love you?

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Speaker 3: All right, all right, all right, we did it, We

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Speaker 3: did we gow Wow.

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Speaker 4: So some of those numbers are goosed.

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Speaker 7: I mean, I guess, I mean some of them is

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Speaker 7: just like, uh, I hate my roommates. So I'm putting

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Speaker 7: on What's Up for ten hours straight on a loop,

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Speaker 7: just just to f with them, you know.

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Speaker 1: But maybe Yeah, I don't know, that's crazy.

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Speaker 4: That's a that's a fun tweet of the night though,

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Speaker 4: right there, jud you know, I brought up one of

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Speaker 4: my guesses was Alanis Morsa. Have you watched the documentary?

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Speaker 7: No, No, I'm a little reluctant because she she disavowed it, right,

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Speaker 7: I know, so, uh.

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Speaker 4: Nora was telling me that. Yeah, It's like I was

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Speaker 4: like trying to figure out why. I guess she's she

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Speaker 4: just didn't like some of the things they kept in it.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think they she something was revealed that she

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Speaker 7: didn't want to be really yeah, yeah, I'll probably you know, shit, I.

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Speaker 4: Just like never realized I guess how big that album was,

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Speaker 4: and like how she I also forgot that she was

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Speaker 4: like a Canadian like little like pop star, sort of

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Speaker 4: like lower level. I'm sort of forgotten about that. Anyway,

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Speaker 4: check it out, guys, want to Okay pick a Results

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Speaker 4: sprunted by MGM last night, Lakers Nicks Nicks were faired

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Speaker 4: by three and a half right no lebron and it

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Speaker 4: was up in the air whether Anthony Davis was going

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Speaker 4: to play. He did, look, I will admit, really sick,

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Speaker 4: looking like did you guys see him in like pregame

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Speaker 4: warm up, so they was like, this guy might be

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Speaker 4: puking on the sidelines here. I mean, it does have

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Speaker 4: the flu here, but he did play. But I knew

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Speaker 4: I was in trouble with my pick going the Lakers,

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Speaker 4: and tasked it as well because task the line it

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Speaker 4: jumped from my it would jump from Nick favored by

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Speaker 4: three and a half to six and a half. Now

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Speaker 4: again probably the whole a d question mark up in

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Speaker 4: the air, and I'm like, we've seen this happen before.

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Speaker 4: You watch, it'll land right between them, It'll between three

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Speaker 4: and a half and six and a half. Just watch,

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Speaker 4: sure enough, next one by six and that's exactly where landed.

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Speaker 4: So it's a loss for Tasa and I. I am

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Speaker 4: in real big trouble here trying to catch Trey Kirby

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Speaker 4: as we run out of days in November, I'm seven

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Speaker 4: and ten, Tassa is fine, thirteen and four, Tray's now

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Speaker 4: nine and eight, and Lee is eleven and six if

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Speaker 4: he had the knicks. So there are a lot of

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Speaker 4: games on tonight. Twenty six of the thirty teams are

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Speaker 4: in action tonight. I think I saw Zilla write in

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Speaker 4: his newsletter, so which one are we picking? Because I

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Speaker 4: really need to go opposite of Trey and gain a

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Speaker 4: game here because we'll have a couple days when we

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Speaker 4: return after the holiday break.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, thirteen games on this evening because there are zero

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Speaker 5: Turkey games, if I'm correct, that's right. I think there's

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Speaker 5: there's no games on Thanksgiving Day.

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Speaker 4: That's football day.

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Speaker 5: That's football day. Let's go pack, let's go pack, let's

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Speaker 5: go I get that they always play. I am going

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Speaker 5: with a probably pick a game that we wouldn't have

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Speaker 5: considered as the one that we pick. But I like

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Speaker 5: this one because I think it's a pretty tough one.

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Speaker 5: Miami going into Minnesota, who was a two and a

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Speaker 5: half point dog. Now, when the Grizzlies came to Minnesota recently,

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Speaker 5: the Wolves, Anthony Edwards was told, Hey, we haven't beat

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Speaker 5: the Grizzlies in a long time. That's all Anthony Edwards

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Speaker 5: needed to hear, and he took care of business. So

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Speaker 5: now Jimmy Butler's coming to town with the Miami Heat.

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Speaker 5: Somebody's got to tell Anthony Edwards, hey, he used to

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Speaker 5: play on this team. We didn't like him. Oh that's

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Speaker 5: all I need. We're gonna win our fifth in a row.

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Speaker 5: They have one four in a row. Miami's on a

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Speaker 5: back to back. They did beat Detroit yesterday, they had

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Speaker 5: to travel and Jimmy Butler was doing the raspberries with

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Speaker 5: his mouth or blowing raspberries. I guess you called it,

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Speaker 5: you know that. So I'm buying that the Minnesota Timberwolves

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Speaker 5: are going to cover and we've got a split easier

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Speaker 5: with me and Trey and Lee are on the Miami Heat.

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Speaker 4: Okay, Trey, why Miami? What's your ultimate decision here? Reasoning, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: they're a lot better than the Minnesota Timberwolves.

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Speaker 1: Why I picked them?

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Speaker 6: I guess they are on a back to back, which

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Speaker 6: could be a little bit worrying, but you know, I'm

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Speaker 6: honestly shaking in my boots now. This is how they

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Speaker 6: motivate Anthony Edwards. Just tell him something about the history

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Speaker 6: of the team and it works.

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Speaker 1: Then the Heat screwed. But I'll roll with Jimmy Butts

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Speaker 1: going in there tonight.

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Speaker 4: Okay, there we go. We got Trey and Lee taking Miami.

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Speaker 4: They got to win by three or more points up

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Speaker 4: in Minnesota, Tasin I we got the dogs that are

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Speaker 4: the Wolves. Also, not to be confused with DAGs. Who

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Speaker 4: is Daryl morey ah guy? Sending your questions? Keep the coming.

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Speaker 4: Email them in No Dunks at the Athletic dot Com.

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Speaker 4: NBA and non NBA questions. Hit us up on Twitter

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Speaker 4: vid here. Grab yourself an Athletic subscription go to the Athletic

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Speaker 4: not gonna get better than that. So I would highly

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Speaker 4: recommend you go grab one, and and and and. If

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Speaker 4: you're a Survivor nerd like a few of us are,

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Speaker 4: join No Buffs tonight. Yes, tonight, following episode ten of

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Speaker 4: Survivor forty one, we're gonna go. I've around nine somewhere

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Speaker 4: around there, so you can join us live tonight. We usually,

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Speaker 4: of course wait until Thursday, but it's Thanksgiving tomorrow here

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01:10:09,280 --> 01:10:11,800
Speaker 4: in the state, so we'll do it tonight. We'll jump

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01:10:11,840 --> 01:10:14,679
Speaker 4: on and recap tonight's episode. It'd be a great time

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01:10:14,680 --> 01:10:17,160
Speaker 4: to get some of your questions live. Be a part

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Speaker 4: of the live tribe, which we call the stream team.

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01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:21,800
Speaker 4: When we do the no buffs because you know it's

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01:10:21,800 --> 01:10:23,840
Speaker 4: gonna be a quick turnaround JD. We're gonna go right

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Speaker 4: into it.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I can't wait. Usually I like to really get

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01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:32,920
Speaker 7: my fine tooth comb out and comb through the episode

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01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:35,479
Speaker 7: after watching it. But you know, we're just gonna be

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01:10:35,479 --> 01:10:38,280
Speaker 7: shooting off the hip, shooting from a hip off the hip,

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01:10:38,320 --> 01:10:43,200
Speaker 7: you know, doing just an instant reaction, which I don't

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Speaker 7: think I'm very good at.

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Speaker 4: But we'll see. Yeah, well we'll see how this one goes.

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Speaker 5: Go ahead, You got a question there? If you're watching

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Speaker 5: on YouTube, we put up a photo of a challenge's

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Speaker 5: looking of the Survivor contestants doing a challenge. It's a

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Speaker 5: ball balancing on some sort of little table top type

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01:11:00,760 --> 01:11:03,920
Speaker 5: thing holding on a stick of platform. Exactly is this

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Speaker 5: a photo from tonight's challenge?

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Speaker 4: I believe. So this is what Survivor usually does. They

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01:11:08,920 --> 01:11:10,360
Speaker 4: tease a few photos tea.

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Speaker 5: It's got me excited, so challenge it looks exciting.

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Speaker 2: Look at that focus.

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Speaker 6: What is from this photo classic challenge? The ball on

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Speaker 6: top of the thing. You see the lines. They're going

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01:11:22,479 --> 01:11:24,839
Speaker 6: to be moving their hands up, getting trickier and trickier.

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Speaker 6: And I also wonder looking at the colors of the balls.

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Speaker 1: They have here.

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Speaker 6: Are they going to be splitting tribes again and send

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Speaker 6: people different places?

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Speaker 1: The black white black? Who knows?

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Speaker 5: Is this abalone?

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: We'll be talking about it tonight on this tweet. We'll

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Speaker 4: be talking about episode ten tonight again live after the

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Speaker 4: show on the East Coast, of course, airs at eight

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Speaker 4: pm Eastern, And like I said, we'll be on the

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Speaker 4: no Bus YouTube channel around nine to fifteen and we'll

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Speaker 4: spin that into a podcast as as fast as one can,

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Speaker 4: as fast as gd human can humanly can. I don't know.

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Speaker 5: I'm not no.

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Speaker 4: I got the booster shot yesterday and I got my

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01:12:07,400 --> 01:12:10,800
Speaker 4: flu vaccine shot, so I did a double whammy. I'm

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Speaker 4: not I'm not feeling all that hot right now, a

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01:12:13,360 --> 01:12:16,320
Speaker 4: little a little worried about tonight here this post no

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Speaker 4: buff But then maybe I'll take a super nap, just

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Speaker 4: feeling like just sluggish. Yeah, did you guys get your

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Speaker 4: booster shots again next week? Okay? Yeah, you know, the

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Speaker 4: arms a little tender, that's fine, but just like, let's

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Speaker 4: just feel like crap.

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Speaker 5: I love people who report that their arm is sore

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Speaker 5: after shot.

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01:12:34,600 --> 01:12:36,880
Speaker 7: Yeah, you got stabbed man.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but but here's my one.

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Speaker 5: My one side effect a sore arm.

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Speaker 4: But here's the thing. The booster arm hurts more than

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Speaker 4: the flu shot arm in terms of AL this one,

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Speaker 4: this one, al this one. Let's go.

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Speaker 1: Oh, so you want a booster in your left arm?

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Speaker 1: No surprise, I guess. My question was.

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Speaker 6: Why did you choose booster in the left arm? But

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Speaker 6: then I said, no surprise, because I don't know you're

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Speaker 6: planning and using your right arm.

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Speaker 3: More.

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Speaker 4: I was a little disappointed. My guy, his name was Raymonta.

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Speaker 4: I've never heard that name. Awesome name. That's a cool name.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if people call him ray, but Raymonta

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Speaker 4: right there on his name tack. I said, uh, can

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Speaker 4: I do them both in the same arm? He's like yeah,

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Speaker 4: And I was like, well, what do you suggest should I?

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Speaker 4: Should I do one in each arm? Like what's the

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Speaker 4: protocol here? They wouldn't give me an answer. I had

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Speaker 4: to just like, I was like, just tell me. I'm

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Speaker 4: trusting you, man, I trust science. I've proven this by

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Speaker 4: coming in here.

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Speaker 7: He can't give that kind of advice. You what if

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01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:42,400
Speaker 7: you come back and say, hey, man, I couldn't work today.

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01:13:42,479 --> 01:13:46,080
Speaker 7: I'm like, I don't know. I'm saying I'm getting mine

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Speaker 7: in the neck. I'm getting both mine.

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Speaker 4: As I guess, like, if I could do it again,

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Speaker 4: I'd put it in the same arm, because then at least,

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Speaker 4: you know, just one arm is sort of feeling not

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01:13:57,200 --> 01:13:59,639
Speaker 4: all that great little numb there for a couple hours.

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Speaker 4: But that's all good. Everybody will get your booster shot

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Speaker 4: if you can, if you haven't already. All right, and

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Speaker 4: your flu your flu shot too, Trey, you're all boosted up,

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Speaker 4: are you?

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Speaker 1: I'm boost it up.

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Speaker 6: I know the girls finished their second shots earlier this morning.

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Speaker 6: Laura got her booster. We got our flu shots like

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Speaker 6: three weeks ago. I think we have more white blood

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Speaker 6: cells than red blood.

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Speaker 4: So all right, excellent, Okay, so join us tonight after

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Speaker 4: Survivor episode ten on the Nobuffs YouTube channel around nine

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Speaker 4: to fifteen. Thanks again to Seth part Now, everybody go

1496
01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:33,599
Speaker 4: grab his book. Just search for it, The mid Range Theory.

1497
01:14:33,640 --> 01:14:35,920
Speaker 4: We grab it off Amazon or Triumph Books, like he says,

1498
01:14:35,960 --> 01:14:37,599
Speaker 4: thanks to Seth for swinging by this morning.

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01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:37,840
Speaker 3: Here.

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01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:40,639
Speaker 4: We will see you guys in the No Dunks feed

1501
01:14:40,960 --> 01:14:43,599
Speaker 4: on Monday morning. All you Americans have a very safe

1502
01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:45,840
Speaker 4: and healthy Thanksgiving Clipper Bros.

1503
01:14:46,120 --> 01:14:48,680
Speaker 1: You heard it here first, have a great time turn up.

1504
01:14:48,840 --> 01:14:50,480
Speaker 1: Love you guys awesome.

1505
01:14:51,400 --> 01:14:54,320
Speaker 5: Thanks for joining us. And remember I've been getting shots

1506
01:14:54,360 --> 01:14:57,000
Speaker 5: for a long time, trusted the science just like you, Skeets.

1507
01:14:57,040 --> 01:14:59,280
Speaker 5: But it's only been a couple of years where I've

1508
01:14:59,320 --> 01:15:01,640
Speaker 5: been told you got to move the arm that you

1509
01:15:01,680 --> 01:15:04,080
Speaker 5: get the shot in because that loosens it up, that

1510
01:15:04,120 --> 01:15:07,160
Speaker 5: gets you good so so that that lessens the pain.

1511
01:15:07,320 --> 01:15:10,040
Speaker 5: So I guess, as you're flowing there, Skeets, I guess

1512
01:15:10,080 --> 01:15:12,240
Speaker 5: you do it in your dominant arm because you move

1513
01:15:12,280 --> 01:15:15,120
Speaker 5: it more. Maybe that's a good suggestion. Not a doctor,

1514
01:15:15,720 --> 01:15:19,080
Speaker 5: not a nurse, I'm not Vermonta, but I think you

1515
01:15:19,120 --> 01:15:21,439
Speaker 5: should put it in your dominant arms so you don't

1516
01:15:21,720 --> 01:15:22,840
Speaker 5: have to complain about it.

1517
01:15:23,200 --> 01:15:26,040
Speaker 4: It's so it's much more fun to complain about it,

1518
01:15:27,120 --> 01:15:29,040
Speaker 4: all right, everybody, Embrace the Turkey people.

1519
01:15:30,200 --> 01:15:31,200
Speaker 2: You could stay.

1520
01:15:32,960 --> 01:15:33,639
Speaker 5: Every day.

1521
01:15:35,479 --> 01:15:42,160
Speaker 2: My dad be happy every minute. It's been so long

1522
01:15:42,240 --> 01:16:00,600
Speaker 2: with your wana, it's already it's gonna be grevy.