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Speaker 1: It is actually flattering and surprising. But then he's evolved

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Speaker 1: I'm sure at Jennifer Aniston, you know all the people,

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Speaker 1: everyone right. Howard Stern is a legend and changed broadcasting, journalism, radio, disruption,

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Speaker 1: So Alex Cooper started off, I guess talking about sex

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Speaker 1: Howard evolved. And she started interviewing people and yes, getting

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Speaker 1: been on her show twice. I was on her road show.

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Speaker 1: Sophia was her partner and now she's writing a book

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Speaker 1: saying that. But Alex Cooper has created this success and

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Speaker 1: Sophia A Is probably frustrated by it. She's probably talented

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Speaker 1: everyone's entitled to their side and their story. It's just

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Speaker 1: oh my god, Like it's just it's not easy to

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Speaker 1: open season for fodder. It's complete open season for fodder

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Speaker 1: Like if Alex Cooper has told her story about Sophia,

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Speaker 1: which I don't know that she has, then Sophia is

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Speaker 1: I'm saying is it's not for the faint of heart,

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Speaker 1: And it was a good idea when it started, which

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Speaker 1: and Alex Earle was a fan and used to watch

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Speaker 1: And there's no comparing the two of them. They are incomparable.

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Speaker 1: They are two different human beings. I've met them both,

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Speaker 1: her and it's fully baked and packed, But it's not

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Speaker 1: no it's just a different model. They just have two

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Speaker 1: Alex Earls. I think first ever podcast away from Alex Cooper,

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Speaker 1: and it's just different. It's more light and more like

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Speaker 1: that they have two completely different brands. They are not

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Speaker 1: I have a podcast I couldn't wash Alex Cooper's podcast shoes.

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Speaker 1: I like this. I love ranting, I love talking about it,

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Speaker 1: but it's not like what I'm spending my entire day

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Speaker 1: what it's like with alex Earl Moore. Her day is

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