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Speaker 1: take a look at the week five lines?
Speaker 2: I was born, ready, Harris, let's go.
Speaker 1: This is my nightmare. Okay, let's start here with the
Speaker 1: Thursday night game A little bit better than the Jaguars
Speaker 1: and the Bengals. Here, we've got the Rams and the
Speaker 1: Seahawks in Seattle. The Seahawks are getting two on our
Speaker 1: betting Pros consensus lines, and the total is fifty four
Speaker 1: and a half. These totals, man, this year, it's like,
Speaker 1: I like, how like fifty four fifty five are just
Speaker 1: like whatever? Now, I will say, Joe just before we
Speaker 1: get into it, it's two. I don't really think it
Speaker 1: matters that much right now with the Rams lying two,
Speaker 1: But obviously those are the consensus lines. It's as high
Speaker 1: as two and a half here over at Fox Bett
Speaker 1: it's as low as one on my homebook DraftKings. So
Speaker 1: generally speaking, Rams laying two in Seattle with the total
Speaker 1: fifty four and a half.
Speaker 2: Reaction, well, first of all, they have to talk about
Speaker 2: where the Rams are and coming off that loss this week,
Speaker 2: it's not surprising that they lost to the Cardinals. It's
Speaker 2: more surprising than they lost at home, I think if
Speaker 2: that makes any sense to you, and I think that, yeah,
Speaker 2: that means the inevitable letdown of after you face Tom
Speaker 2: Brady in a big game like that and you win
Speaker 2: that game, it's very emotional lot going through, and then
Speaker 2: you know, you have the Cardinals coming in. Theoretically you think, okay,
Speaker 2: we're gonna beat them. It's gonna be you know, it's
Speaker 2: gonna be fine. We're you know, just gonna roll over them.
Speaker 2: And then they beat you. It's a little bit of
Speaker 2: a wake up call. And I think it's in a
Speaker 2: way it's a good loss for that team, if that
Speaker 2: makes sense. It's a good loss. The Rams, I think,
Speaker 2: are the most complete team in the NFL. That being said,
Speaker 2: this is another Indivision matchup here where they've got, you know,
Speaker 2: they take on Tom Brady one week, right and probably
Speaker 2: the rain defending champs and probably the favorites to repeat.
Speaker 2: Then you've got successive weeks two Indivision opponents here and
Speaker 2: now you've got to go on the road to Seattle.
Speaker 2: See how it's not nearly as tough as a place.
Speaker 2: The one thing that I do like, here is the
Speaker 2: total and it's the over on the total of fifty
Speaker 2: four and a half, which I know it's a high number,
Speaker 2: but we're seeing an explosion of offense in the league
Speaker 2: this year. We're on pace to shatter all the records already,
Speaker 2: and it's just it's a combination of just the rules,
Speaker 2: it's a combination of the speed of the players. Also
Speaker 2: just the openness of the game and where we're at
Speaker 2: right now, and the quarterback play is exceptional for the
Speaker 2: most part. There's been some really great quarterback play this
Speaker 2: year in the league. For me, I would stay away
Speaker 2: from the line here, I would go to the over
Speaker 2: under and I would hammer the over there because in
Speaker 2: a short week two it's really tough for defenses typically
Speaker 2: to prepare very well, even though they know these teams
Speaker 2: and all that the Rams have. Here is also a
Speaker 2: unique position where they have multiple guys to throw the
Speaker 2: ball to, so it's not just a one dimensional team
Speaker 2: where you could say, oh, you know, it's very easy,
Speaker 2: we could just target one of these guys shut them down. Now,
Speaker 2: it's gonna be a little harder than that. So I
Speaker 2: think that wide openness of the Rams passing game and
Speaker 2: on top of that which you have with the Seattle Seahawks,
Speaker 2: which is, you know, a good team and Russell Wilson
Speaker 2: kind of carrying them a little bit right now at home.
Speaker 2: This is a big matchup the overs where I go
Speaker 2: right now in terms of who's gonna win, this is
Speaker 2: kind of a toss up for me. If anything, I
Speaker 2: might take the money line, which is plus one eighteen
Speaker 2: right now on the Seahawks to win straight up. I
Speaker 2: think that's a little bit better in terms of your
Speaker 2: returnal investment.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's probably. I mean, I might have
Speaker 1: a little action on this game because it's Thursday night football,
Speaker 1: and you probably should just one way or another, right
Speaker 1: but I'll probably like you certainly on the side stay
Speaker 1: away from it. I don't have a good sense of it. Also,
Speaker 1: I don't think matters if you bet it now or later,
Speaker 1: Like it's not going to climb to three. There's not
Speaker 1: gonna This is a very evenly matched game in Seattle
Speaker 1: again on the short week, which again it's very difficult
Speaker 1: for the Rams, who were just basically getting their butts
Speaker 1: kicked with their defense on the field a ton against Arizona.
Speaker 1: I think they're probably a little tired. It's tougher for
Speaker 1: defenses to bounce back on the short week here, so
Speaker 1: it's probably something where i'd stay away. I guess i'd
Speaker 1: lean over, But man, I am tired. I am tired
Speaker 1: of these totals. Like at the fifty five and again
Speaker 1: we saw Joe right, we had primetime overs. We're just
Speaker 1: non stop hitting, And then this week it was all
Speaker 1: of the primetime games came under their totals. So I
Speaker 1: wonder whether or not the books are just basically still
Speaker 1: they're juicing them up so high right now.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, in one of those, you know, the
Speaker 2: torrential downpour of rain and suble and really changed the
Speaker 2: dynamic of that total. You know, it's all that whether
Speaker 2: they should have hammered the under there just as tougher.
Speaker 1: I agree, But I also think really it might have
Speaker 1: been more of Gronkowski out because I think like that
Speaker 1: changed the dynamic of their blocking just generally. I mean,
Speaker 1: Brady was getting a little bit of rasped.
Speaker 2: It's fair Fronk being out to a certain extent. That also,
Speaker 2: it's all the game plan that Belichick wanted to play,
Speaker 2: which is slug it out, bring him down to your level,
Speaker 2: kind of stuff, and that's what he does with all
Speaker 2: the great quarterbacks, you know, in those kind of games
Speaker 2: where every play is a high powered offense. You know,
Speaker 2: if you go back to the AFC Championship game a
Speaker 2: couple of years ago, right with Mahomes, where they shut
Speaker 2: him out, they brought it down to a grinding kind
Speaker 2: of game. Now they only got away with it for
Speaker 2: half a football. They got away with it for an
Speaker 2: entire game this past week with Brady in the Bucks.
Speaker 2: So that's a gain again, That's that's the game plan.
Speaker 2: That's what he wants to do. He wants you to
Speaker 2: get you in the mud. He wants you to keep
Speaker 2: changing looks every two seconds and having to adapt to
Speaker 2: what he's doing and staying ahead of you, Whereas Nope,
Speaker 2: most coaches don't make adjustments as quickly as Belichick does,
Speaker 2: and as well in the second half too. So no
Speaker 2: matter what they were doing the first half, you know
Speaker 2: they were going to have more things to throw him
Speaker 2: in the second half. So the under in that game
Speaker 2: does not surprise me whatsoever.
Speaker 1: All Right, Jets are technically visiting the Falcons, but they're
Speaker 1: in London in this one early in the morning on
Speaker 1: Sunday the Falcons. The consensus sign is laying three and
Speaker 1: a half. The total is forty six. What do you think, Joey.
Speaker 2: I think I want to apologize to Great Britain for
Speaker 2: sending them this game. This is football. Here you go, everybody,
Speaker 2: here you go. Here's the best we can offer you.
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, man over there.
Speaker 2: Oh hey, we had Murph on the show a couple
Speaker 2: of weeks back, right, I mean it is huge there.
Speaker 1: That's a Jets Dolphins game several years ago, and that
Speaker 1: place goes insane any football, regardless of the level of play.
Speaker 1: So don't apologize. Let them enjoy it and let them
Speaker 1: watch the Jets cover the three and a half spread.
Speaker 2: Right, God, I hate this game. It's gross.
Speaker 1: Run man.
Speaker 2: I don't like when I don't have a beat on
Speaker 2: either of these teams, and neither of them are good
Speaker 2: football teams. I don't care if the Jets game away
Speaker 2: with a victory. It's also the travel. You don't know
Speaker 2: how teams are going to react to need this game.
Speaker 2: Most London games are a bad investment. This one in
Speaker 2: particular is awful because you have two bad teams and
Speaker 2: you don't know how bad. It's going to be if
Speaker 2: any maybe you can look towards the under if you
Speaker 2: thought the defenses were any good. But I don't think
Speaker 2: the defenses are any good. So this is a complete
Speaker 2: stay away from y'all. Have nothing to do with this
Speaker 2: game for a myriad of reasons.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not going near the total because I think
Speaker 1: it's very difficult, like you said, with the huge travel
Speaker 1: like this, to understand how teams are going to react.
Speaker 1: But I am telling you right now that I do
Speaker 1: not think that the Falcons should be more than a
Speaker 1: field goal favorite over anyone at this point in the season.
Speaker 1: And again, you saw the Jets. Okay, and you know
Speaker 1: I'm not a homer like obviously and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: but we saw the Jets. Pat and I talked about
Speaker 1: it last week. By the way, we liked the Jets
Speaker 1: certainly getting this seven, and we kind of like them
Speaker 1: on the money line because we thought this was a
Speaker 1: possibility when you play a less than above average defense,
Speaker 1: as the Jets have played every single week. Their offensive
Speaker 1: line is terrible, their defense has no personnel, but the
Speaker 1: scheme works. Okay, they're getting healthier there, it's possible elize
Speaker 1: more plays. I'll take the Jets here man, and I
Speaker 1: don't think you need to run. I don't think it's
Speaker 1: going to get to a field goal or anything like that.
Speaker 1: I mean DraftKings that four and a half actually, But
Speaker 1: I think you can bet it now. You can wait
Speaker 1: if you want, But I will take the Jets if
Speaker 1: you're giving me the hook, just because, honestly, I don't
Speaker 1: think the valten should be more than a three point
Speaker 1: favorite over anyone right now.
Speaker 2: I like having crowder back in that offense. I think
Speaker 2: that's a really good safety net for a young quarterback.
Speaker 2: That was the only guy that Sam Darnold could throw
Speaker 2: the ball to for the first year or so of
Speaker 2: his Jets career. So I think that's a good thing there,
Speaker 2: and a confidence builder for a win. Not only the
Speaker 2: Jets winning a football game would want to throw gatorade
Speaker 2: on their coach. Only the Jets would want to do that.
Speaker 2: But your nuts if you make an investment in this game,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. There's so many this is four outcomes written
Speaker 2: all over it.
Speaker 1: I'm taking the I'm taking the hush Man. Call me crazy,
Speaker 1: I'm fine to do it. Let's go with the crazy
Speaker 1: visiting crazy. That's fine. I've been called worse Saints visiting Washington.
Speaker 1: The Saints are laying one and a half points here.
Speaker 1: The total is forty four and a half.
Speaker 2: What do you think, Joe, This is a fascinating one.
Speaker 2: This almost feels like too easy to me. You know,
Speaker 2: the Washington football team, for all their struggles on defense
Speaker 2: this year, offensively have okay. And they get Kurtis Samuel
Speaker 2: back in Taylor Heineke. You know, in terms of fantasy points,
Speaker 2: he's put up you know, QB one three weeks in
Speaker 2: a row here. So I mean, nobody seems to care
Speaker 2: or notice that except me, and I keep bringing this up.
Speaker 2: And that's why he was our lock of the Week
Speaker 2: play on the DFS show along with McLaurin. That was
Speaker 2: the pairing and if you played that, you did pretty well.
Speaker 2: But the point here is, I think with the Saints
Speaker 2: inefficiencies on offense, with them traveling here on the road,
Speaker 2: coming off a bad loss at home, you know, going
Speaker 2: into overtime in that game, I like Washington here on
Speaker 2: this side. I think I would definitely take the Washington side.
Speaker 2: This should be a relatively close game theoretically, but the
Speaker 2: whole going back and forth a quarterback thing to me,
Speaker 2: that always just takes offenses out of a rhythm. I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: it's just it's very difficult to operate that way. I
Speaker 2: would stay away from the total. I would just go
Speaker 2: right to the Washington side with the one and a half,
Speaker 2: which is what I'm seeing over from FanDuel. I would
Speaker 2: even take them outright as plus one twelve. I actually
Speaker 2: think that's a pretty good number you're getting on them
Speaker 2: as well. I think Washington a little bit of confidence
Speaker 2: builder for them last week that was a big road
Speaker 2: win despite the fact the Falcons aren't any good. You
Speaker 2: still road winds are tough, and I think you get
Speaker 2: back home a little bit. You build some momentum off
Speaker 2: of that off of New Orleans Saints team that to
Speaker 2: me has all kinds of issues, and Callaway is probably
Speaker 2: gonna be out for this game too, possibly, So I
Speaker 2: think you're in a spot here where New Orleans offensively
Speaker 2: is just kind of banged up, beaten up, not very good.
Speaker 2: The defense is good, but not great. I don't know, man,
Speaker 2: I think this is a dangerous game here for the Saints.
Speaker 2: I take the Washington sign.
Speaker 1: I'm staying away from it. I think your points are valid.
Speaker 1: This just strikes me as sort of the classic right,
Speaker 1: I feel like, I mean, it's simplistic to sort of
Speaker 1: describe it this way, but there's like a very clear
Speaker 1: sort of bilo sell high. Washington comes off that big win,
Speaker 1: Saints come off a really bad loss, Like you could
Speaker 1: see the Saints coming out here and just winning this game.
Speaker 1: And again that if you bet it now, if you
Speaker 1: bet it later, if you like a side, don't, you
Speaker 1: don't have to rush. It's minus one and a half.
Speaker 1: As Joe mentioned at Fandal, that's our consentsus sign is
Speaker 1: pretty much unanimously the Saints laying one and a half.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't a good feel for it. I'm
Speaker 1: not going near the total with you. I agree completely,
Speaker 1: but it's something where I'm staying away. I feel a
Speaker 1: little less confident.
Speaker 2: I think the wrong team is favored in this game.
Speaker 2: Straight up. Whenever you think that, that's where you go bet,
Speaker 2: like if you look at like what I like to
Speaker 2: do with this is an exercise I learned from my
Speaker 2: good friend Betty your Chardi over the years. You do
Speaker 2: the lines yourself before you go look at the line
Speaker 2: correct And I would have had Washington favored by three
Speaker 2: in this game. And so okay lost one and a half.
Speaker 1: Right now, all right, So I would have had Washington
Speaker 1: basically favored by a point, like so to me, when
Speaker 1: you you know, that's not a big deal, Like one
Speaker 1: and a half one way, one the other way, not
Speaker 1: a big deal. So if you had it at three,
Speaker 1: then you're definitely taking Washington this game. Yeah. For me,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I find them a little more evenly mashed,
Speaker 1: not like they do. Get Curtis Samuel back, but they're
Speaker 1: going to be down Logan Thomas and you know, I
Speaker 1: it's just something where I don't I don't have a
Speaker 1: beat on the Saints team yet, Joe. That's really the
Speaker 1: issue for me. Like they're not impressive offensively, they are
Speaker 1: generally speaking pretty impressive deep when they're healthy and everything
Speaker 1: like that. It's just I don't know. To stay away
Speaker 1: from me, but this one is interesting to me, Joe.
Speaker 1: The Packers are visiting the Bengals. The Packers are laying
Speaker 1: three and a half points. The total is forty nine
Speaker 1: and a half. What do you think.
Speaker 2: Here, Well, I think if you don't get T Higgins
Speaker 2: back on this game, this is going to be a
Speaker 2: tough one here, Joe, Mixon's banged up.
Speaker 1: He is expected to play though the early word early
Speaker 1: word right, early word early words.
Speaker 2: He expected to play, and I would expect he is
Speaker 2: going to play and does play. But at the same time,
Speaker 2: if you don't have Higgins on that field too, then
Speaker 2: that means Alexander is going to be on Chase, and
Speaker 2: we all know how that goes. If he takes out Chase,
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden, you're gonna have to find
Speaker 2: other pieces. And if mix is not one hundred percent,
Speaker 2: I don't know what this other pieces are. I don't
Speaker 2: think Tyler Boyd is enough year, even at home, to
Speaker 2: beat the Packers. So Packers by three and a half
Speaker 2: to me, actually, I would take the three and a
Speaker 2: half on the Packers side of this one. I actually
Speaker 2: think they win this one by a touchdown, and I
Speaker 2: think they win it pretty handily. And I want to
Speaker 2: give the Bengals some respect too, because defensively, they played
Speaker 2: much better in the second half. Last year. They were
Speaker 2: a dormat. Everybody made fun of them in the first
Speaker 2: half and then they kind of flip the switch. They
Speaker 2: don't have a ton of talent necessarily, yeah, but they
Speaker 2: play hard and they play smart. And it kind of
Speaker 2: dates back also to that game they had last year
Speaker 2: against Pittsburgh, if your call that. I remember that primetime
Speaker 2: game where they embarrassed the Steelers right and ever since
Speaker 2: then in the offseason they made some moves as well.
Speaker 2: We actually highlighted them on the IDP Show earlier this week.
Speaker 2: Bob Mey and I we talked at length about the
Speaker 2: Bengals defense. They are better, which means that I still
Speaker 2: feel like the under is a little bit more possible
Speaker 2: for this game. I would lean towards the under because
Speaker 2: I don't think the Packers are gonna explode necessarily offensively,
Speaker 2: but I do think they're gonna control this game from
Speaker 2: start to finish, and I do think they're gonna win
Speaker 2: it comfortably. So for me, I think it's the three
Speaker 2: and a half side on the Packers. But I would
Speaker 2: shy the under here just to Tad, just because I
Speaker 2: don't think Cincinnati can keep pace. And I also don't
Speaker 2: think the way the Cincinnati Bengals defenses played that they're
Speaker 2: gonna let it get completely out of control.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't have a great sense of it either.
Speaker 1: Really with this game, I lean towards the Packers, even
Speaker 1: with the it's weird. I mean, the Bengals are off
Speaker 1: kind of the Mini by it's possible mixing plays. He's
Speaker 1: going to be day to day until the end, and
Speaker 1: then he's gonna be out for six weeks like we
Speaker 1: were last year. But regardless that, no, that certainly hurts him.
Speaker 1: But I expect Higgins to play. I don't know if
Speaker 1: j R. Alexander is gonna be able to play in
Speaker 1: this one because he's got the ac joint, you know,
Speaker 1: injury thing. So maybe he does, maybe he doesn't. There's
Speaker 1: some unknowns here, and especially again given the fact that
Speaker 1: they're off the Mini by I lean Packers, I think
Speaker 1: you're probably going to see this basically stay where it is.
Speaker 1: I don't think it gets to three, although admittedly I
Speaker 1: do see a three out there at Fox Bet. But
Speaker 1: I think for the most part, books are three and
Speaker 1: a half. I think that's the right line. I think
Speaker 1: it's going to stay there. Did you say you lean
Speaker 1: the under Joe? If you went one way or the other,
Speaker 1: I do.
Speaker 2: This feels like a twenty four to thirteen kind of
Speaker 2: game to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the Packers offense is not like it. You know,
Speaker 1: DeVonta Adams is incredible. Aaron Jones is amazing, Aaron Rodgers amazing.
Speaker 1: But it's not It doesn't have that explosive feel right now.
Speaker 1: And again you mentioned the Bengals defense. It's playing much
Speaker 1: better than I expected.
Speaker 2: They're making plays there. Yeah, coached, well, they're in a
Speaker 2: good spot here. Yeah, Bells played very well. A couple
Speaker 2: of the other guys on defense have really kind of
Speaker 2: stepped up a little bit. Again, they don't have you know,
Speaker 2: they don't have the Miles Garrett, they don't have the
Speaker 2: Aaron Donald, they don't have that kind of push you
Speaker 2: get up front. Necessarily. What they've done is they've remade
Speaker 2: the secondary a little bit and they've booked up in
Speaker 2: the linebacker corps and they're playing They're playing efficient defense,
Speaker 2: and they're not letting teams kind of explode on them
Speaker 2: anymore the way that they did in the first half
Speaker 2: last year, which is good progress. But at the same points,
Speaker 2: I thought Burrow played very well. But you're talking about
Speaker 2: taking that game and that performance against the Jacksonville Jaguars.
Speaker 2: You can't translate that to a Packers team that's just
Speaker 2: infinitely more talented.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this one's fascinating, Joe. This game because we have
Speaker 1: a lot of question marks. I've also made a lot
Speaker 1: of money here taking the unders on the Broncos game.
Speaker 1: I'm late. This is the Broncos are visiting Pittsburgh. The
Speaker 1: Steelers are laying one and a half, and they are saying,
Speaker 1: go ahead and take the over. We don't care. It's
Speaker 1: forty forty even for the total. What do you think again, Aldon,
Speaker 1: let's talk about the uncertainty. Obviously, Teddy Bridgewater is in
Speaker 1: the concussion protocol as we speak, he is uncertain for
Speaker 1: this game. There is a large difference for me whether
Speaker 1: or not it's Teddy Bridgewater versus Drew Locke. But what
Speaker 1: do you think right now where we are.
Speaker 2: I don't think that matters all that much. I could
Speaker 2: not believe that they lost two straight games at home.
Speaker 2: The Pittsburgh stear is going to lose three straight games
Speaker 2: in Pittsburgh. Man, that's tough. I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 2: New England just did it. They all three straight home games.
Speaker 1: And man, if you don't have the personnel, you don't
Speaker 1: have the personnel.
Speaker 2: I know. But also typically you know certain buildings, certain
Speaker 2: environments are tougher to play than others. We know that
Speaker 2: it's just historically true. But the Steelers have all kinds
Speaker 2: of issues right now, the Denver Broncos, I know, with
Speaker 2: the uncertainty quarterback. Once again, this is a very tricky game.
Speaker 2: This feels like a trap game to me that typically
Speaker 2: I would stay away from. But the total of the forty,
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just kind of begging for the over.
Speaker 2: Forty and a half is just I mean, in this
Speaker 2: day and age of the NFL, if you can't get
Speaker 2: to forty and a half or two the two of you,
Speaker 2: and look, this could very well be you know what
Speaker 2: right on that seventeen thirteen kind of line.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, they have been throughout the whole right, that's
Speaker 1: where they've been living right now. Their defense is very
Speaker 1: very good. Their offense is unexplosive, and the Steelers have
Speaker 1: no offense to speak of. I mean, whether or not
Speaker 1: Chase Claypole pops up here, it doesn't matter. Their offensive
Speaker 1: line is absolutely abysmal. Their defense is solid, not that
Speaker 1: they've got wopped back. I mean, I'm not betting the under, Joe,
Speaker 1: because it's forty, Like that is just a number that
Speaker 1: really it's not a.
Speaker 2: Good You have to lean towards the over. But I
Speaker 2: will say this Dan. The minus one and a half
Speaker 2: here on the Pittsburgh side. I think you also have
Speaker 2: to keep in mind that even though Pittsburgh has struggled,
Speaker 2: they did beat Buffalo, and even though Denver has a
Speaker 2: three to one record, they beat up on bad teams.
Speaker 2: So the minute they got a taste of a good
Speaker 2: team here in their own building, no less, Baltimore straight
Speaker 2: up embarrassed them in that game. Right, So I think
Speaker 2: this is that perfect thing where people might think Denver
Speaker 2: is a little bit better than they are. I would
Speaker 2: lean towards the minus one and a half here on
Speaker 2: the Pittsburgh side of this game. It's minus one twenty
Speaker 2: two here on the money line for Pittsburgh tells you
Speaker 2: that there's some confidence there that the Steels are gonna
Speaker 2: win this football game. This is a game where people
Speaker 2: get caught up on record instead of the strength of opponent.
Speaker 2: And I think the Steelers have, you know, played some
Speaker 2: good teams. I think Las Vegas is a good team.
Speaker 2: You know, they they battle. They're not the as wishy
Speaker 2: washy I think as they were in the past, despite
Speaker 2: the fact that they're coming off a Monday night loss.
Speaker 2: I think when you look back now and get a
Speaker 2: little bit more perspective on these first four weeks. Pittsburgh's
Speaker 2: had the tougher schedule and they have the worst record.
Speaker 2: But I'm not gonna get hung up on Denver's good
Speaker 2: record either. I don't think Denver is as good of
Speaker 2: a football team as their record says they are, So
Speaker 2: I would take the Pittsburgh out of this game at
Speaker 2: minus one and a half.
Speaker 1: So for me, I don't care the fact that the
Speaker 1: Broncos are three and one or that the Steelers are
Speaker 1: one in three. I mean, I agree that the Broncos
Speaker 1: have benefited from the lack of quality opponents that they
Speaker 1: have played in the first three weeks, but I do
Speaker 1: think that their defense is legitimate. I do think, to
Speaker 1: be you know, quite honest, I really think that the
Speaker 1: loss of kJ Hamler is a huge loss for the
Speaker 1: Broncos just because again already down Jerry Judy. It doesn't
Speaker 1: the field's not open now at this point, right. I mean,
Speaker 1: Handler wasn't that involved, but he at least stretched the field,
Speaker 1: made the you know, safeties, and the quarterbacks have to
Speaker 1: think about that open up intermediate routes here for Courtland
Speaker 1: Sutton and Tim Patrick, that's gone. The Steelers are, as
Speaker 1: you mentioned, desperate. But I have no faith in the
Speaker 1: Steelers right now, Joe. I mean you watch that offense.
Speaker 1: That offensive line is terrible. I actually I don't often,
Speaker 1: as I've said, I don't often feel bad for football players.
Speaker 1: I feel bad for Ben because Ben is honestly like,
Speaker 1: oh God, I'm gonna die. I've got to just find
Speaker 1: a way to survive long enough to dump it off
Speaker 1: four yards down the field. So I'm concerned about their offense.
Speaker 1: With that said, Joe, I number one, especially with the
Speaker 1: uncertainty around Locke versus Bridgewater, which I do think is
Speaker 1: a big deal. By the way, I have zero faith
Speaker 1: and Drew Locke being able to win a game going
Speaker 1: into Pittsburgh. I have more faith in Teddy Covers, you know,
Speaker 1: being able to do it. But for me, I'm very
Speaker 1: uncertain here right now. And I do think that the
Speaker 1: Steelers find a way to win this game and don't
Speaker 1: end their season, which they probably will if they lose
Speaker 1: this game at one and four, Like it's very difficult
Speaker 1: to come back from that. So I am with you
Speaker 1: actually with the uncertainty even if Bridgewater plays, I do
Speaker 1: think this is a game that the Broncos traveling after
Speaker 1: a home game are not going to be able to
Speaker 1: pull out against the Steelers. So I think again, their defense.
Speaker 2: Is just going to bring it wins on defense.
Speaker 1: I think you're correct.
Speaker 2: I think that's correct, you know what, being back and
Speaker 2: playing and one of those losses was not in that
Speaker 2: game either. Yea, No, that's that's another huge loss. I mean,
Speaker 2: he really changes completely how you have to approach the
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh Steelers on the defensive side of the football.
Speaker 1: And I do think that the game, this is a
Speaker 1: game you gotta bet now, I think because I don't
Speaker 1: think right because.
Speaker 2: If it's if half, at least by the time it might.
Speaker 1: Get it might get to three, honestly, because I think
Speaker 1: that once that happens, Drew to me, Lock the downgrade
Speaker 1: from Bridgewater to Locke is enormous. So to me, I
Speaker 1: I'm betting it now because I want to lie in
Speaker 1: because I do think that the Steelers get out of here.
Speaker 1: Let's go to the Dolphins visiting the Bucks Florida game. Here.
Speaker 1: The Bucks right now are laying ten and a half.
Speaker 1: The total is forty eight. What do you think.
Speaker 2: You know? It should be an absolute cake walk. I mean,
Speaker 2: it just an absolutely shit. I see on Fandle it's
Speaker 2: forty seven and a half. You said it's forty eight
Speaker 2: in another spot there.
Speaker 1: Correct, it's forty eight, is our consensus lines. It's basically
Speaker 1: bouncing back and forth between forty eight.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, like Tampa should absolutely smash the Dolphins.
Speaker 2: I mean they really should. Theoretically, I wonder what the
Speaker 2: it's only going to react two ways right after a
Speaker 2: very emotional week leading up for Brady. There's a lot
Speaker 2: of stuff going on there, right yeah, and it's finally
Speaker 2: all over. So either they bounce back and everything is
Speaker 2: just great. No, I oh, finally that's over. We're done
Speaker 2: with that. We can move on. We got the big
Speaker 2: win in New England and then we're back to being
Speaker 2: you know, the Bruse Area's fun loving Buccaneers. Or it
Speaker 2: took so much out of them that there's a little
Speaker 2: bit of hangover in the beginning of this game, and
Speaker 2: if there is, that's where some of these large numbers
Speaker 2: kind of come went to play the Dolphins right now.
Speaker 2: Last week had all kinds of problems. Are not gonna
Speaker 2: have Wolf Fullers. That's one less weapon to have. They
Speaker 2: could not run the football at all last week, that
Speaker 2: is going to be exasperated the worst way this week.
Speaker 2: So that is not a good situation. I think right now,
Speaker 2: you know, the over under is not something I would
Speaker 2: play around with because I think there's variables in that
Speaker 2: depending on how much the Miami offense does or does
Speaker 2: not show up. So I don't want to put anything
Speaker 2: into Miami because whenever you talk about totals, you have
Speaker 2: to talk about both teams in your head for the
Speaker 2: most part, and I'm concerned of Miami doing their part
Speaker 2: to hit this number. Therefore, I think the safest thing
Speaker 2: here to look at, even though it's ten and a half,
Speaker 2: I just think the Bucks are going to be up
Speaker 2: by a lot in this game. I could worry about
Speaker 2: garbage time a little bit, but again, we don't have
Speaker 2: that field stretcher guy like Will Fuller. Makes a little
Speaker 2: bit harder to kind of catch up, and you can't
Speaker 2: run the football, you become one dimensional. The one thing
Speaker 2: that gives me, Paul is Dan is they've had all
Speaker 2: those injuries in the secondary right for the Bucks. So Ken,
Speaker 2: DeVante Parker, Ken Waddle, can they enough to kind of
Speaker 2: keep pace at the end a little bit or throw
Speaker 2: on some garbage time and all of a sudden, maybe
Speaker 2: cut you know, a fourteen point lead to ten. Yeah,
Speaker 2: maybe they can. It's possible. But at the same time,
Speaker 2: I don't know, man, I think it's the Bucks in
Speaker 2: the ten and a half, even though it's a big number.
Speaker 2: But I would stay away from the overunder because the overunder,
Speaker 2: to me, there's that variable where this is the Dolphins
Speaker 2: could get shut out again. It's not out of the
Speaker 2: rum of possibility.
Speaker 1: It's not a The best part is that teams don't
Speaker 1: even try to run right now in the box right
Speaker 1: like other than Sony Michelle with the Rams, where that
Speaker 1: was a game where they were just like, we can
Speaker 1: just run it because we're gonna win this game where
Speaker 1: he hit twenty carries, teams just basically go into it.
Speaker 1: You saw the Patriots, They're like, oh, we're we're not
Speaker 1: gonna try to run, like we know we can't run.
Speaker 1: We're just gonna pass and that's fine. And look, you
Speaker 1: saw the Patriots have some success even with the driving
Speaker 1: rain in that game. Mac Jones played very well even
Speaker 1: without really having the field stretcher that going you know
Speaker 1: that taking shots. It was a lot of short passes,
Speaker 1: but it worked out for them. But I do think that, yeah,
Speaker 1: Miami even if they abandoned the run without will Fuller
Speaker 1: without that, and Fuller hasn't been you know, it's barely
Speaker 1: been playing this year.
Speaker 2: No, But it's just a theory Dan like have that
Speaker 2: guy you can get behind a secondary and they don't. Right.
Speaker 2: I don't think if DeVante Parker is really that guy
Speaker 2: at the stage's but Parker. It's just a matter of
Speaker 2: looking at Miami Dolphins realistically here and as good as
Speaker 2: they were last year, I feel like there's part of
Speaker 2: us that are still kind of carrying that torch a
Speaker 2: little bit. But if you really hyper focus on what
Speaker 2: they've done so far this year, it's not been good.
Speaker 2: It's really been negative for the most part, outside of
Speaker 2: like glimpses here and there. And you can blame it
Speaker 2: on too it being hurt. That's that's fair, that's fine
Speaker 2: if you want it. But it wasn't all roses when
Speaker 2: Toua was healthy, either, right. I think I think right
Speaker 2: now people are still kind of thinking of the Dolphins
Speaker 2: and how you know, they competed and they just missed
Speaker 2: the playoffs and what they were last year, whereas this year,
Speaker 2: I think they've actually taken a step back, believe it
Speaker 2: or not. Even the personnel has been better.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and again they're I don't really bottomize this. I'm
Speaker 1: staying away from this game because I do think that
Speaker 1: the potential for a back door cover is right there.
Speaker 1: And again I do think that in addition to the
Speaker 1: weather and in addition to the Patriots, I do think
Speaker 1: the loss of Gronk Cowskin, I'm not expecting him to
Speaker 1: play in this game. Base and everything we've heard is
Speaker 1: the fact that he is such a good blocker that
Speaker 1: the fact that he's not there, I think really opens
Speaker 1: up sort of pressure to get I'm Brady, which I
Speaker 1: think could.
Speaker 2: Have understand that. I can understand that. I will say
Speaker 2: this though, having those three wide receivers, the Dolphins don't
Speaker 2: have the juice to stop all of those guys, and
Speaker 2: even in that rain. Yet you know, in that game
Speaker 2: on Sunday night at AB come down with that incredible
Speaker 2: throw in the end zone, Like we're probably looking at different,
Speaker 2: like that's the thing in a perfect scenario right where
Speaker 2: schemes aren't as good, but the talent on the field
Speaker 2: is those plays get made by Antonio Brown by Mike Evans,
Speaker 2: and I think those guys are gonna eat and it's
Speaker 2: gonna be a lot too much for the Dolphins.
Speaker 1: That is fair. I certainly expect them to win, but
Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna stay away from the potential for a backdoor.
Speaker 2: Covert using Leonard Fournette. I think in that game, I
Speaker 2: think you're gonn see a little bit more of that
Speaker 2: going forward. I think I think the Bucks are starting
Speaker 2: to figure out what I think the Chiefs are figuring
Speaker 2: out too, which is we got to have some kind
Speaker 2: of balance here. We have to change. We can't just be,
Speaker 2: you know, throwing the ball sixty times a game. We
Speaker 2: can't do that anymore.
Speaker 1: Yeah, how about the Titans are now visiting the Jaguars.
Speaker 1: The Titans are laying for. The total is forty eight
Speaker 1: and a half. Can the Titans lose to the two
Speaker 1: worst teams in football and back to back weeks?
Speaker 2: No, because the only team that's, you know, really even
Speaker 2: more just a hot mess right now than the Titans
Speaker 2: might be the Jaguars and probably the Houston Texans, right so, oh,
Speaker 2: the Texans. You know, I would have said the same
Speaker 2: thing with the Jets. But you know, I think everybody
Speaker 2: kind of forgets that when you take away not one,
Speaker 2: but two big targets like that in one game, it
Speaker 2: is really tough to go on the road and win.
Speaker 2: I think some of this side stuff this week with
Speaker 2: Erbin Meyer is going to be a huge distraction to
Speaker 2: a team that is not a veteran team that is
Speaker 2: not going to be able to put it aside. This
Speaker 2: is a bad situation here for the Jaguars. I don't.
Speaker 2: That being said, this is not a game I feel
Speaker 2: comfortable investing in it all, not in the over, not
Speaker 2: the under, and not in the number. I just don't.
Speaker 2: Because the health of the Tennessee Titans, their lack of defense,
Speaker 2: coming off a terrible loss last week, there just seemed
Speaker 2: to be a team I think that from a confidence standpoint,
Speaker 2: is reeling a little bit. They had expectations, they added
Speaker 2: Julio Jones, this is going to be a team that
Speaker 2: was really going to start to click up into that
Speaker 2: elite notch right back to back years in the playoffs.
Speaker 2: This is our year where all our chips in and
Speaker 2: it's got on the opposite direction, partially because of play
Speaker 2: but partially because of the injuries. That being said, I
Speaker 2: still think they win this football game. So does Vegas too,
Speaker 2: because there minus two hundred on the money line. But
Speaker 2: at the same time, man, I don't know how you
Speaker 2: feel comfortable with a four or any number here, Like
Speaker 2: it's just it's just not a comfortable situation here with
Speaker 2: the Titans right now, especially on the road. If this
Speaker 2: was in Tennessee, I feel more comfortable, But not on
Speaker 2: the road. I struggle here back to back road games
Speaker 2: with them.
Speaker 1: If both Julio Jones and A. J. Brown were playing,
Speaker 1: would you take the four?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Absolutely, one of Julio Jones and AJ Brown were playing,
Speaker 1: probably yeah. And I expect, like you, neither one of
Speaker 1: them is going to play in this.
Speaker 2: Because I feel like they can get away with it,
Speaker 2: and they you know, last week they had to get
Speaker 2: away with it. This week. Yeah, you're sort of rolling
Speaker 2: the dice and gambling what you can. But I think
Speaker 2: that they will take that gamble.
Speaker 1: I mean, I lean, I lean Tennessee.
Speaker 2: That tells you everything you need to know. It does
Speaker 2: your your sighing and harrumphing tells you why this game
Speaker 2: is a bad investment.
Speaker 1: So no, you're right, You're right. I can't take the
Speaker 1: Jaguars just because I can never take the Jaguars because, again,
Speaker 1: regardless of how I might handicap it or how I
Speaker 1: might look at it, Urban Meyer is like breaks all
Speaker 1: models that you could do, because he's such a distraction.
Speaker 1: He's in over his head so much that I just
Speaker 1: think you can never back them. At the same time, look,
Speaker 1: we probably watched that game a little closer than most
Speaker 1: people just because it was the Jets and the Titans
Speaker 1: just they've got Derrick Henry and they really have nothing
Speaker 1: else to rely on when those two receivers are out,
Speaker 1: assuming they're out again. If I had to pick a side,
Speaker 1: I guess I would go with the Titans, but I
Speaker 1: don't want to, so I am staying away. You're right
Speaker 1: also with the Total, because again, you know, I imagine that
Speaker 1: the Titans will try to, you know, run Derek Henry
Speaker 1: as much as possible, and that usually.
Speaker 2: Again, but look, Trevor Lawrence can make plays, and that's
Speaker 2: better thing you can't. You know, Trevor Lawrence is going
Speaker 2: to get better as the season goes on. His ability
Speaker 2: to make plays. Should were you I think about this total?
Speaker 1: Yeah, how about the Eagles are visiting the Panthers. The
Speaker 1: Panthers are laying four total forty four and a half.
Speaker 2: Ah the Eagles, Oh, who are the Eagles? This is
Speaker 2: a This is a tricky one here. I will say this.
Speaker 2: We talked at length this week about, you know, the
Speaker 2: test of the Panthers defense coming up against a really
Speaker 2: good Cowboys team this week offensively, and you know, and
Speaker 2: we got checked a little bit here. That being said, Panthers,
Speaker 2: I think get back to business at home. I like
Speaker 2: the Panthers in this game. I like them on the
Speaker 2: three and a half. I just don't like the Eagles
Speaker 2: game plans. I just don't like the Eagles. The Eagles
Speaker 2: deficits didn't just vanish with Carson Wentz. They still have
Speaker 2: offensive line problems. You knew that was going to be
Speaker 2: going in. They still finding their identity on offense. It's
Speaker 2: nice to see like a Kenneth Gainwell starting to get
Speaker 2: some more play in this offense like he did in
Speaker 2: Week one. I think they're a better team when they
Speaker 2: do that, when they get Kenneth Gainwell involved. The problem
Speaker 2: is sometimes they way too long. Their inability run the
Speaker 2: football is a problem. I think Arnold's just playing really
Speaker 2: good football right now, So I would just go right
Speaker 2: with the three and a half here, keep it simple.
Speaker 2: With the Panthers, I do think they win this game.
Speaker 2: I think defensively, they bounce back after a rough week
Speaker 2: last week. Jalen Hurts not nearly the same kind of
Speaker 2: competition as Dak Prescott in terms of playing quarterbacks. So
Speaker 2: I'll go with the Panthers in this one at home
Speaker 2: with a three and a half.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I might have a blind spot Joe
Speaker 1: with the Eagles. I really do. And maybe it stems
Speaker 1: from the fact that we obviously do fantasy and I
Speaker 1: had projections for what I saw for the Eagles offense,
Speaker 1: and then that Week one game, it's sort of all
Speaker 1: came to fruition against an admittedly very weak Atlanta team,
Speaker 1: and I feel like I still cling to that. Again,
Speaker 1: I one of my picks for one of my best
Speaker 1: bets was a couple of weeks ago was the Eagles
Speaker 1: on Monday Night Football going to the Cowboys, and I
Speaker 1: thought they played better, you know, even though they obviously
Speaker 1: had some unexpected offensive line issues coming to the week.
Speaker 1: I actually I lean a little bit towards the Eagles
Speaker 1: in this game. It's not a game that I want
Speaker 1: to bet necessarily, just because again, I think without Christian McCaffrey,
Speaker 1: I think that offense and I expect them to be
Speaker 1: out in this game as well. Again nothing confirmed yet,
Speaker 1: but I expect them to be out. I think that
Speaker 1: offense really misses him, even though they were able to,
Speaker 1: you know, sort of hang with Dallas. I mean it
Speaker 1: took a while, but I think their defense again without
Speaker 1: j C. Horn, I think that really affects them. To me, actually, Joe,
Speaker 1: I do kind of lean me over in this game
Speaker 1: here because I do think that at the very least,
Speaker 1: you saw an admittedly weak defense here against Kansas City.
Speaker 1: But I think even if the Panthers sort of are
Speaker 1: able to put up points, which I think you have
Speaker 1: to expect at this point because the offense is working
Speaker 1: right now, at the very least, if they get blown
Speaker 1: out the Eagles, they're going to be able to put
Speaker 1: up points sort of at the end of the game.
Speaker 1: You saw it against the Cowboys, just because you know,
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts can run around like a chicken with his
Speaker 1: head cut off at this point, and they can again,
Speaker 1: they can they can move the ball when they absolutely
Speaker 1: need to. So at forty four and a half, that
Speaker 1: strikes me as something where you know, I could see
Speaker 1: this being a you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, even that number pretty easily.
Speaker 1: So to me, I go over here. I'd like to
Speaker 1: take that. The spread is something where I lean the Eagles,
Speaker 1: but it's also something where I probably stay away from.
Speaker 1: The Patriots are visiting the Texans. The total is well
Speaker 1: for we'll get this out a second. The Patriots are
Speaker 1: laying nine points and the total is thirty nine right
Speaker 1: here or thirty nine and a half. Actually, what do
Speaker 1: you think, Joe.
Speaker 2: I think the Patriots win this football game? Vegas does
Speaker 2: to the confident the Patriots win this football for how
Speaker 2: they win this football game, I don't. I'm hoping that,
Speaker 2: you know, and I think it should. I think there
Speaker 2: should be a lot of confidence for HEC Jones in
Speaker 2: that loss. We talk about sometimes taking losses as actual
Speaker 2: moments were a loss in a certain way with a
Speaker 2: certain performance kind of tells you a lot about the player,
Speaker 2: and I think we learned a lot about mac Jones
Speaker 2: in terms of where he's at in his development. I
Speaker 2: think they should be more aggressive down the field. And
Speaker 2: what's ironic to me, the same thing that plagues the
Speaker 2: mac Jones and the Patriots offense is the same thing
Speaker 2: that plagues Tom Brady in that offense before he left,
Speaker 2: the lack of playmakers, the lack of that alpha wide
Speaker 2: receiver kind of guy that you can rely on in
Speaker 2: those big spots. Not having that guy that the other
Speaker 2: defense has to account for is what makes the Patriots
Speaker 2: offense so middling at times. Now that being said, the
Speaker 2: Patriots defense is playing very well right now, So I
Speaker 2: think Houston's infer this is gonna be a rough stretch here.
Speaker 2: Houston had to play Buffalo in Buffalo last week. Now
Speaker 2: that you have to play the Patriots, I mean, Patriots
Speaker 2: win this football game. I am not comfortable with the
Speaker 2: nine and I mean thirty nine and a half sounds
Speaker 2: like a joke where he got it just go over,
Speaker 2: you would think so. But I gotta tell you this
Speaker 2: feels like a huge trap. This whole game for me,
Speaker 2: is a giant stay away unless you're gonna put the
Speaker 2: Patriots in a parlay where you're gonna take like an
Speaker 2: easy Patriot win and easy win somewhere else and then
Speaker 2: take an upset and put three things together and maybe
Speaker 2: make some money that way. That's the only way I'm
Speaker 2: getting involved in this one.
Speaker 1: I think I'm on to lay the nine. I'm not
Speaker 1: like to me, I think that's a.
Speaker 2: Lot for a lack of Juggernaut offense.
Speaker 1: It's a lot. It is a lot. I fail to
Speaker 1: see how the Texans can stop anybody right now. I
Speaker 1: think that if the Patriots want, they can run Damien
Speaker 1: Harris thirty five times and they can put up twenty
Speaker 1: eight points that way, Like, I realistically I think that.
Speaker 1: But yeah, Mac Jones was impressive. You do have I
Speaker 1: think the potential for a letdown game here, right, Joe, Like,
Speaker 1: because even though they lost, they played their butts off
Speaker 1: in that game.
Speaker 2: Really, I think it's more potential for a letdown for
Speaker 2: the Bucks than for the Patriot.
Speaker 1: I think that's also true.
Speaker 2: I think the Patriots actually left that game going. We
Speaker 2: were this close. We were just close to the defending chance.
Speaker 1: It's the same time, though, you put in that much
Speaker 1: of an effort into what is an emotional game and
Speaker 1: you come that close, even a loss is still a
Speaker 1: letdown game. But certainly for the Bucks for sure, you
Speaker 1: can have that possibility. But it's possible for the Patriots.
Speaker 1: But either way, man, first of all, a total with
Speaker 1: the Texans. I don't care what it is like I'm
Speaker 1: staying away from it just because again, they could very
Speaker 1: easily get shut out at any given point. But the
Speaker 1: bottom line is, I think that that Patriots defense is legitimate.
Speaker 1: I've thought this for a while, So they could potentially
Speaker 1: pitch a shut out here, you know, like well, I.
Speaker 2: Think the turnover on defense or a pick six, that's
Speaker 2: where you hit.
Speaker 1: I'm not worried about a backdoor cover here because I
Speaker 1: don't trust the Texans to be able to move the
Speaker 1: ball enough to score to get that back door cover.
Speaker 1: So if it's under ten, I'm not kidding. I'm fine
Speaker 1: taking this game. I realize it sounds ludicrous because it's
Speaker 1: a Patriots laying nine points, which really, you know, they
Speaker 1: don't have the horses to They don't.
Speaker 2: They don't have the horses for that right, I don't care, man,
Speaker 2: But the defense does. And if you anticipate them getting
Speaker 2: and if you believe that they score on defense in
Speaker 2: this game, which is very very possible, and the nine
Speaker 2: is very comfortable when it starts, I'm taking it could
Speaker 2: probably be eleven by the time I'm taking it.
Speaker 1: Now, that's correct. That's a good point, Joe. That's just
Speaker 1: part of what we do we're looking at I'm taking
Speaker 1: it now like I'm taking now. I'm not waiting for
Speaker 1: anybody to sort of see where it goes. I'm taking
Speaker 1: it now before it moves. Let's get to our next
Speaker 1: game here, Joe, we can talk about the Lions are
Speaker 1: visiting the Vikings. Vikings are seven and a half point
Speaker 1: favorites here and the totals forty nine and a half.
Speaker 2: Ah, the Vikings another tough one here. It's funny because
Speaker 2: you know, you and I always talked about the Baseball
Speaker 2: four outcome games. This past week when I had Chris
Speaker 2: Meety on the show for DFS, we ran away from
Speaker 2: this game between the Cleveland Browns and the Vikings last
Speaker 2: week because we said, this is four outcomes written all over.
Speaker 2: This could be a blow out on either side or
Speaker 2: disgusting like you know, sixteen thirteen kind of slugfests, whatever,
Speaker 2: and it's very closer to that. We're all a said
Speaker 2: and done. The Vikings at home. They desperately need a
Speaker 2: W here in the worst way. Ye Sometimes it's just
Speaker 2: as simple as looking for the team that needs the W.
Speaker 2: That being said, what gives you pause is Detroit doesn't quit.
Speaker 2: In the past, we've seen Detroit quit a lot. I
Speaker 2: think Minnesota wins this football game, but I would like
Speaker 2: the Detroit side of the plus seven and a half.
Speaker 2: I think that's a big number right now. I think
Speaker 2: that's a number it's gonna shrink to seven or even
Speaker 2: six and a half by the time we get closer
Speaker 2: potentially too. I just feel like the Lions, whether you know,
Speaker 2: they can't stack up talent wise to most teams, but
Speaker 2: the effort level is undeniable when you watch them play.
Speaker 2: They spread the ball around a little bit. You know,
Speaker 2: Khalif Raymond's played well, quind De Ciphas has played well.
Speaker 2: Monros Saint Brown had a very good game. You know,
Speaker 2: they're starting to kind of figure it out a little bit. Offensively,
Speaker 2: disappointing game for them, no doubt they're gonna have a
Speaker 2: lot of disappointments. But seven and a half is a
Speaker 2: very big number for a Minnesota Vikings defense that ever
Speaker 2: since the preseason, really hasn't blown the doors off anybody
Speaker 2: and shown you that they are getting back to what
Speaker 2: they were a couple of years ago. So I would
Speaker 2: take the Lions and the seven and a half in
Speaker 2: this one. I still think Minnesota wins his football game,
Speaker 2: but I think seven and a half is too much.
Speaker 1: If forced to pick aside, I would take the Lions
Speaker 1: with the hook because I just think that it has
Speaker 1: back to recover written all over it. But it's just
Speaker 1: a stay away from me man like because realistically, the
Speaker 1: Vikings should be able to win this game pretty handily.
Speaker 1: But like you mentioned, and there's something to be said,
Speaker 1: the Lions don't quit ever, and so you know, kudos
Speaker 1: to Dan Campbell, who we all made fun of a lot.
Speaker 1: But it's just to stay away from me. A divisional
Speaker 1: game where the Vikings are desperate, but the Lions don't quit.
Speaker 1: Totals total, stay away from me. Not a game I
Speaker 1: want to touch. Nor is this one, Joe. The Bears
Speaker 1: are visiting the Raiders. It's a dead number where the
Speaker 1: Raiders are laying five and a half. The totals forty
Speaker 1: five and a half. You obviously have the Raiders coming
Speaker 1: off the short week. Dave Montgomery's going to be out
Speaker 1: for four to six weeks. That just came across the
Speaker 1: wire as we were recording this, so he's obviously not
Speaker 1: going to play in this game. We don't know who
Speaker 1: the quarterback is going to be in this game for
Speaker 1: the Bears. So this is not something where I want
Speaker 1: to lock in value right now. I don't think Vegas
Speaker 1: knows what to do with this. I don't know what
Speaker 1: to do with this. It's a complete stay away for me.
Speaker 1: What do you think run away right?
Speaker 2: For outcomes written all over this bad boy? Too many variables.
Speaker 2: Variables do not make for a good investment. You've got
Speaker 2: lots of other games. Let this one go away.
Speaker 1: I agree, Let's just move on Brown's visiting the Chargers.
Speaker 1: The Chargers are the Browns, I'm sorry, are laying one point.
Speaker 1: Although it's back and forth here between you know, not
Speaker 1: that it really matters, but in some books the Chargers
Speaker 1: are laying a point. In other books, the Browns are
Speaker 1: laying a point. Right now, our consensus line is the
Speaker 1: Browns laying a point and the total is forty nine
Speaker 1: and a half.
Speaker 2: What do you think I'm going to lean towards the
Speaker 2: Chargers here?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I like what I've seen out of Herbert this year,
Speaker 2: and look, the Browns are a very good football team.
Speaker 2: But you know, this is back to back road games
Speaker 2: for them. That's a little tough. I think that the
Speaker 2: way justin Herbert's played this year is super impressive. The
Speaker 2: defenses played well. It was a big game for them,
Speaker 2: big victory. This is going to be a close one,
Speaker 2: and Vegas is telling it's gonna be a close one.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna in towards the Chargers here once again. This
Speaker 2: is one where you can put it. I'd rather take
Speaker 2: the Chargers on the money line and just not even
Speaker 2: worry about the points or the points are small anyway.
Speaker 2: But if you want to do either one and put
Speaker 2: it in with something else, I don't think you just
Speaker 2: met this standing alone because it just doesn't have enough value.
Speaker 2: So what you want to do is you want to
Speaker 2: put this if you feel good about the Chargers, you
Speaker 2: take the one. If you're getting it, whatever you're getting
Speaker 2: right now on FANDUL, you're getting plus one. I would
Speaker 2: take the plus one there at the minus one p. Fifteen,
Speaker 2: and I would put that in with something else here
Speaker 2: and then just continue to build from there into like
Speaker 2: a couple games together. But I don't know, Dan, I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm very impressed with the Browns, but I think it's
Speaker 2: asking a lot of them to continue to be the
Speaker 2: road warriors here, you know, going to Minnesota one week
Speaker 2: and then having to turn right back around and going
Speaker 2: to LA the next I think that's a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was really impressed with the Chargers, and I
Speaker 1: think that like this is the Chargers, Joe, that I
Speaker 1: felt like every preseason coming in, every year, we were like,
Speaker 1: you know, Chargers could do this. Chargers could be really good.
Speaker 1: They have a very solid deep, the offensive line is good,
Speaker 1: They've got a lot of pieces, and it's like the
Speaker 1: optimal point of where they are. They're well coached now.
Speaker 1: So if I lean one way, it's basically a pick
Speaker 1: them essentially. At this point, I would lean the Chargers.
Speaker 1: But really, Joe, actually the way I lean is the
Speaker 1: under here. It's forty nine and a half. The Browns
Speaker 1: defense is so good. Like I know, last week was
Speaker 1: a big disappointment from a fantasy perspective. Whatever from Kirk Cousins,
Speaker 1: I actually thought that the Vikings would pull that game out.
Speaker 1: They were getting I don't know, two points, I think
Speaker 1: two and a half points. I thought the Vikings might
Speaker 1: be able to pull that game out. But for me,
Speaker 1: I think their defense is so solid that even an
Speaker 1: explosive offense like the Charters, I think they're going to
Speaker 1: be able to hang with them. And conversely, not only
Speaker 1: is the Charters defense very good, but the Browns offensively
Speaker 1: look a little kind of like we have the run
Speaker 1: game that is what is going to work. Maybe it
Speaker 1: was just last week. That's the worst game I've ever
Speaker 1: seen Baker Mayfield play in my life like he was.
Speaker 2: And this is Baker. Baker is good, forever inconsistent, And
Speaker 2: which is why I you're gonna laugh when I say this,
Speaker 2: because you're gonna say that's just Joe saying Chubb's not
Speaker 2: getting Chubb's not getting enough work, like Chubbs should be
Speaker 2: touching the football more. I think they got into two
Speaker 2: weeks ago, gotten to that little groove there with Kareem Hunt,
Speaker 2: and they started to love Kareem Hunt because that was
Speaker 2: a perfect matchup for Kareem Hunt against that defense. They
Speaker 2: should have gotten away from it in this game. They
Speaker 2: should have been feeding the ball to Nick Chubb Moore.
Speaker 2: I think if they feed the ball more than Nick Chubb,
Speaker 2: they have a real chance to win this football game
Speaker 2: in this one, because Herbert's just playing really good football
Speaker 2: right now. I don't know if they're gonna do that there.
Speaker 2: I think they're forgetting what made them so successful last year,
Speaker 2: which is running that play action off of Baker Mayfield
Speaker 2: and Nick Chubb. And if Nick Chubb is only getting
Speaker 2: fifteen carries instead of twenty two carries, it's a big difference.
Speaker 2: The defense doesn't commit as much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so if you are, if you don't follow us
Speaker 1: at Fantasy Bros, you should be aware that Joe is
Speaker 1: Nick Chubb's biggest fan. And if Joe, if Joe were
Speaker 1: the if Joe was the Browns coach, Nick Chubb would
Speaker 1: get forty carries a week, just so you know, it
Speaker 1: would be that and then like one play action pass
Speaker 1: club Chubb Club that is Joe. I also think, by
Speaker 1: the way, that the loss of Jarvis Landry, who you
Speaker 1: know is going to be out again this week, is
Speaker 1: a big deal. That's sort of a safety blanket there
Speaker 1: or so to me, I lean the under man. I
Speaker 1: get that, you know, I think two really good defenses.
Speaker 1: I could see that Chargers being a little sluggish on
Speaker 1: the short week. I don't think that the Browns want
Speaker 1: to get too shoot out anyway, So I lean towards
Speaker 1: the under This is a game, Joe, so many variables.
Speaker 1: I don't want to do the app the only unbeaten
Speaker 1: team here, the Cardinals at home against the forty nine ers,
Speaker 1: laying five and a half points, the total is fifty. Look,
Speaker 1: we don't even know if it's going to be Trey
Speaker 1: Lance at this point, right because suddenly it's come out
Speaker 1: to be like, oh, there's a Bruce for Jimmy. He
Speaker 1: may play Corross knows what's going on here. What do
Speaker 1: you think?
Speaker 2: I think they should play Trey Lance. That's what I think.
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course.
Speaker 2: That being said, I like the Cardinals in this game.
Speaker 2: I am not impressed by the forty nine Ers this
Speaker 2: year at all. I'm just not. And the one thing
Speaker 2: I will say it's, you know, in this league, especially
Speaker 2: when you have a quarterback that's locked in, it makes
Speaker 2: all the differ. Friends, and Kyler Murray right now is
Speaker 2: locked in. Like Kyler Murray's playing the best football he
Speaker 2: has ever played, and the fact that they surrounded him
Speaker 2: with similar weapons besides Hopkins make them a lot harder.
Speaker 2: I was really impressed with Chase Edmonds in that game too.
Speaker 2: I've never been a big Edmunds guy, but he ran
Speaker 2: hard in that game last week. I mean physical hard,
Speaker 2: and that's not usually like the Chase Edmunds game as
Speaker 2: We're like, yeah, let's get him out in space a
Speaker 2: little bit, and you know, let's get him out wide. No, no, no,
Speaker 2: he was running hard in that game, knocking guys over,
Speaker 2: and that's that's a new dynamic. And then he adding Connor,
Speaker 2: who's a physical back, and the goal line in the
Speaker 2: short yard situations. Arizona all of a sudden can beat
Speaker 2: you in lots of different ways. They still defensively have
Speaker 2: some hiccups there to clean up, but overall, you know,
Speaker 2: right now, I think Arizona is the real deal. And
Speaker 2: it's not just because they beat the Rams last week.
Speaker 2: It's because of the way they've played all year so far,
Speaker 2: and because the forty nine ers continue to struggle with
Speaker 2: the identity who's quarterback, who's running back, who's this? Who
Speaker 2: is that?
Speaker 1: I don't like that.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna lean towards the Cardinals. I know it's a
Speaker 2: big number, with the five and a half half typically,
Speaker 2: you know, I think that should give people pause. I'll
Speaker 2: say this, if Trey Lance is playing in this game,
Speaker 2: I would take the points with the forty nine ers.
Speaker 2: If he is not, I would take the Cardinals and
Speaker 2: the points on the other side.
Speaker 1: So you're waiting basically in the end to make any Oh.
Speaker 2: Gosh, she's gonna stink because this line's gonna change, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, A stay away from me man on all sides,
Speaker 1: just because again there're too many things. And look, you know,
Speaker 1: one of my favorite bets that I made this year,
Speaker 1: even though it was discussing, was the Vikings when they
Speaker 1: were I forget how many points the were getting, maybe
Speaker 1: five and a half or whatever, four and a half
Speaker 1: against the Cardinals, because I did think that that was
Speaker 1: a game that they would stay close. And this strikes
Speaker 1: me as that type of game too. And again I
Speaker 1: can't bet it here with the forty nine ers because
Speaker 1: I just don't know who's a quarterback and I don't
Speaker 1: know what's going on in that game. I also can't
Speaker 1: bet the total for now. I don't know though how
Speaker 1: I feel about it. I'm not taking the Cardinals because
Speaker 1: I do think that the Cardinals, as good as they
Speaker 1: look at various times, they're gonna throw out these games
Speaker 1: like against the Vikings, where they're just not gonna be
Speaker 1: able to put a team away and keep it close.
Speaker 1: So this is just to stay away from me in
Speaker 1: a divisional game. But it's one I'm going to be
Speaker 1: excited to watch. I hope it's Trey Lance. Another one
Speaker 1: I'm actually going to be excited to watch, which I
Speaker 1: didn't think I would even though it's so cool, is
Speaker 1: the Giants visiting the Cowboys. Here, the Cowboys are laying seven.
Speaker 1: The total is fifty to Daniel Jones playing by far
Speaker 1: the best football he's ever played in his career. Cowboys
Speaker 1: looking a little bit like the Juggernaut that we thought
Speaker 1: they might be able to look like if everything went right.
Speaker 1: What do you think here?
Speaker 2: Cowboys is smash ooh, smash this game they are. Cowboys
Speaker 2: are just significantly better personnel wise than the Giants. And
Speaker 2: typically I wouldn't do this because typically in division games
Speaker 2: get very dicey, especially old rivalry games, they get very tight,
Speaker 2: you know. But I'm in a long conversation again. On
Speaker 2: the IDP Show last week, the other defense we talked
Speaker 2: about was the Cowboys and the difference that Michael Parsons
Speaker 2: makes that what Diggs is doing right now, but it's
Speaker 2: really what Parsons is doing, because what Parsons does is
Speaker 2: he just kind of wrecks everything. So even though it's
Speaker 2: not showing up necessarily in the tackle numbers all the time. Yeah,
Speaker 2: when you watch him play, he's everywhere in the right
Speaker 2: place and he's shutting other things down because he's such
Speaker 2: a fast linebacker. It's like when you watch Devin White
Speaker 2: sometimes too. He's just always in the right place at
Speaker 2: the right time. And for a young kid to have
Speaker 2: that kind of instincts is just huge. And him and
Speaker 2: Vandersh together right now are playing really well. So for me,
Speaker 2: I think that's just a lot for Daniel Jones, who
Speaker 2: has been very mistake prone. They're down to wide receivers.
Speaker 2: I don't think they're gonna get either of them back
Speaker 2: this week. I don't thinks Tony is enough to kind
Speaker 2: of make up that deficit necessarily. I think they put
Speaker 2: a hurtin on the Giants. I think this is a
Speaker 2: statement game for the Cowboys. I think this is gonna
Speaker 2: be a bad scene and Giant fans are gonna feel like, hey,
Speaker 2: we're going there with some momentum and the Cowboys are
Speaker 2: just going to shut it down. So I know it's seven,
Speaker 2: I would take the seven right now because I fear
Speaker 2: it could be nine by the time we get there.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Okay, all right, so I do not
Speaker 1: feel nearly as confident as you do. Look very easily,
Speaker 1: I could see the Cowboys destroying them in this game.
Speaker 1: And I think that without Shepherd and without Slayton as
Speaker 1: I expect again in this game, I think that's really dicey,
Speaker 1: because I do think that Trayvon Diggs is playing what
Speaker 1: as well as anybody.
Speaker 2: Else, has been out of his mind. But absolutely, once again,
Speaker 2: it's a complete package, and dan Quinn's done a very
Speaker 2: good job of kind of rebuilding the confidence of this
Speaker 2: defensive unit. But at the same time, if you were
Speaker 2: watching closely last year, again, second half, a lot of
Speaker 2: people start to tail off towards the last six weeks
Speaker 2: of football, when all of a sudden, you know, fantasy
Speaker 2: isn't as much of a thing. Right When Van Dersh
Speaker 2: came back healthy, they were not the doormat they were
Speaker 2: earlier in the year either. They started to pick it
Speaker 2: up a little bit and those games were a little closer,
Speaker 2: a little tighter, and they were not embarrassing on defense
Speaker 2: as they were in the beginning of the season they
Speaker 2: were just flat out embarrassing. This year, they are definitely
Speaker 2: not embarrassing this year. They're playing better and they're Abody
Speaker 2: gets some of the older guys in rotation too, which
Speaker 2: is good. So they're getting them a little breeders, so
Speaker 2: they're a little fresher in some of these moments of
Speaker 2: these games too, and that's huge because they little bit
Speaker 2: more depth than they had last year. Also, I just
Speaker 2: think that the Cowboys are the class of this division
Speaker 2: right now, and they're just gonna put a hurting on
Speaker 2: the Giants because I don't the Giants can't afford to
Speaker 2: play the way they did last week against New Orleans
Speaker 2: because Dak Prescott is going to destroy them if they
Speaker 2: give the same opportunities to Dak Prescott that they gave
Speaker 2: to James Winston and Tastar last week.
Speaker 1: All Right, I'm staying away from it personally, but I
Speaker 1: like your confidence. Let's go. This is a game that
Speaker 1: maybe we don't deserve, but we need right now, and
Speaker 1: that is the Bills visiting the Chiefs on Sunday Night football.
Speaker 1: The Chiefs right now are laying two and a half points.
Speaker 1: The total is eleventy billion. It's fifty six and a half.
Speaker 1: Fifty six and a half. Like, I don't even know
Speaker 1: what you do with that. So, Joe, what do you
Speaker 1: think I.
Speaker 2: Like the Buffalo Bills plus one twenty on the money
Speaker 2: line just to win this game out right now. That's
Speaker 2: the best wager of all these That's the one I
Speaker 2: feel the safest about. Believe it or not, Buffalo Bills
Speaker 2: are playing tremendous Josh Allen has something to prove here
Speaker 2: in this game. And Kansas City, you know, I know
Speaker 2: they looked so good last week, but that was against
Speaker 2: the Eagles and Tyree Hill, random, ok, and all that stuff.
Speaker 2: But I gotta tell you, there's just something that feels
Speaker 2: a little off right now with the Chiefs to me,
Speaker 2: and maybe this is it. Maybe this is the one
Speaker 2: they've circled and this is the game that's like, Okay,
Speaker 2: you know, we gotta play. Buffalo is a huge game.
Speaker 2: Maybe they've been looking ahead a little bit of this one.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, the fifty six and a
Speaker 2: half is a huge number. I would be shocked if
Speaker 2: it went under. Still yeah, oh ditto, right right, It's
Speaker 2: still a big number. But it's like it kind of feels.
Speaker 1: Like you can't bet the unders of all energy just
Speaker 1: that defense is so poor, and that's that has not
Speaker 1: been the case in recent years. That's the thing that
Speaker 1: I feel like we're not talking about enough. Like as
Speaker 1: good as the Chiefs offense, you know, continues to be like,
Speaker 1: their defense is abysmal. And part of the reason why
Speaker 1: they were so good is that they're their defense was
Speaker 1: very bend. But don't break in these games. You know,
Speaker 1: they they had some personalities, and they had some injuries obviously,
Speaker 1: and they have had some injuries, but still well, that
Speaker 1: defense is basically a defense that you pick on. Right now,
Speaker 1: Josh Allen should go nuts, and it's really about whether
Speaker 1: or not Mahomes can go nuts against the Bills defense,
Speaker 1: by the way, which is playing extremely well.
Speaker 2: And without Poyer for two weeks, who's been hurt. So
Speaker 2: I don't know what Poyer status is yet for this week,
Speaker 2: but if they get him back to you, that's a
Speaker 2: huge piece in the secondary to return the look the
Speaker 2: Buffalo Bills, you know, were measured last year and they
Speaker 2: were found lacking a little bit okay when it got
Speaker 2: down to the nitty gritty, But this is usually how
Speaker 2: it happens. Right Usually you have this team that you know,
Speaker 2: starts to feel good about itself, starts to pull itself
Speaker 2: out of the ashes, and then they run into the
Speaker 2: Juggernaut and they get checked and they go okay. And
Speaker 2: now it feels like, you know you're in a certain
Speaker 2: point here with the Chiefs where you know all the
Speaker 2: expectations constantly might be weighing on them a little bit.
Speaker 2: I think Buffalo is the team that comes in here
Speaker 2: fast and loose, and they should And that's why, of
Speaker 2: all the things, I think your best ROI is that
Speaker 2: plus one twenty.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do you like the Bills. If you like
Speaker 1: the Bills, you might as well take them on the
Speaker 1: money line rather than getting the two and a half
Speaker 1: points at this point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know mat the points. I wouldn't scround
Speaker 2: the points of this game, all right.
Speaker 1: Monday night football cults are visiting the Ravens. The Ravens
Speaker 1: are laying seven points. The total is forty seven.
Speaker 2: What do you think It's hard not to lean the
Speaker 2: Ravens in this game? For sure? With the seven, it
Speaker 2: would not shock me to see this go to seven
Speaker 2: and a half or even eight and a half or
Speaker 2: something by the time we get closer. I think this
Speaker 2: one's gonna grow. I would lock this in now Baltimore
Speaker 2: at home on a Monday night. I would lock this in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's right. And I think who was it,
Speaker 1: David Coke maybe from you know, a great you know
Speaker 1: bookmaker over in Vegas that we talked about a couple
Speaker 1: of years ago, and he was always like, you know,
Speaker 1: John Harbad doesn't just want to win, he wants to
Speaker 1: break your spirit. And I think that that's what you
Speaker 1: are going to see here. And again, kudos to the
Speaker 1: Colts that came out. They played well, but again once
Speaker 1: as far from healthy, they're still sort of down, you know,
Speaker 1: in their receiving core. You know, I like Michael Pittman Jr.
Speaker 1: But I offense believe they're not a team that can
Speaker 1: really hang it again. The Ravens. They may get Rashad
Speaker 1: Bateman back here, which would help, maybe not or whatever,
Speaker 1: But I agree with you, Joe, I would take the
Speaker 1: Ravens here, and I probably look to lock it in
Speaker 1: now just in case of climbs higher than a field goal,
Speaker 1: because I higher than a touch on part of me,
Speaker 1: because I think with a touchdown at least, you you know,
Speaker 1: probably lock in hopefully at worst case of push. Joey,
Speaker 1: that's it. That's all the games. Thank you so much
Speaker 1: for popping on with me today.
Speaker 2: It's always a pleasure. I love spending quality time with
Speaker 2: my good friend Dan.
Speaker 1: Harris, so we'll be back on Thursday, as we always are,
Speaker 1: talking about our three best bets, or at least my
Speaker 1: three best bets, our guest three best bets. In the meantime,
Speaker 1: enjoy a couple of days off here from football betting.
Speaker 1: We'll talk to you again in a couple of days.