WEBVTT - The Ivy League 0:00:01.480 --> 0:00:04.280 Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of I 0:00:04.360 --> 0:00:13.880 Heart Radio. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. 0:00:14.200 --> 0:00:19.680 There's Charles w Chuck Bryant, and there is Jerry Jerome Rowland, 0:00:20.440 --> 0:00:23.400 and it's Stuff you should Know. Back Together Again on 0:00:23.600 --> 0:00:27.160 the Cow about how panicalta, although this will be released 0:00:27.240 --> 0:00:32.040 after the other episode where we're back together again. Yeah, 0:00:33.200 --> 0:00:36.879 that's so like us, That is typical. We'll screw up 0:00:36.880 --> 0:00:40.680 our own reunion, that's right. Yeah, we'll have to use 0:00:40.720 --> 0:00:43.040 the way back machine to get things right. Okay, I 0:00:43.120 --> 0:00:45.080 think we gotta tell everyone what's going on here, though 0:00:45.240 --> 0:00:48.360 hopefully you're listening on earbuds or headphones. If not, we 0:00:48.479 --> 0:00:51.720 encourage you too, because this is special episode where we 0:00:51.720 --> 0:00:55.320 were recording in three D audio, and I think we 0:00:55.320 --> 0:00:58.000 should explain what's going on in this room. I don't know, 0:00:58.160 --> 0:01:00.560 I feel like we're transgressing if we talk about it, 0:01:00.560 --> 0:01:03.279 and really, yeah, because it might do something to us. 0:01:03.760 --> 0:01:07.560 Uh No, I think we should describe this microphone. Okay, 0:01:07.760 --> 0:01:10.319 I'm a little scared of it, but go ahead. Well, 0:01:10.440 --> 0:01:12.680 I'm on one side, so Josh and I you know, 0:01:12.720 --> 0:01:15.160 we finally get back together to record and it's nothing 0:01:15.200 --> 0:01:18.720 like a normal experience, not even the same studio, different studio. 0:01:18.800 --> 0:01:21.160 We're sitting side by side, which is weird, although I'm 0:01:21.200 --> 0:01:24.080 just pretending it's a live show. Uh. And in front 0:01:24.120 --> 0:01:29.959 of us is this microphone with human ears? Yeah, but 0:01:30.080 --> 0:01:35.360 they're like plastic snow white ears. Yeah, like the creepiest 0:01:35.360 --> 0:01:38.240 white you could imagine. Yeah, it's and then they have 0:01:38.319 --> 0:01:40.800 like bolts going around and stuff too. It looks like 0:01:41.600 --> 0:01:43.640 it looks like I'm afraid of it. That's what it 0:01:43.680 --> 0:01:45.920 looks like to me. I don't like it one bit. Yeah. 0:01:45.920 --> 0:01:48.080 And the idea is that we talk into these ears 0:01:48.600 --> 0:01:51.920 and it produces a different sonic experience for the listener 0:01:52.560 --> 0:01:57.000 at our expense, right, because it's three D audio week, right, 0:01:57.480 --> 0:01:59.240 it is. So I think a lot of our shows 0:01:59.280 --> 0:02:01.760 are doing this, right, I'm pretty sure almost all of them. 0:02:01.800 --> 0:02:03.760 So if you're like, man, this is the most amazing 0:02:03.800 --> 0:02:07.040 thing I've ever heard, just start go and start listening 0:02:07.080 --> 0:02:10.359 to my heart shows this week, because they're going to 0:02:10.480 --> 0:02:12.400 have a lot of cool stuff going. Yes, and I 0:02:12.360 --> 0:02:17.360 imagine many other shows other than ours will have make 0:02:17.480 --> 0:02:20.200 better use of the technology and not just talking to 0:02:20.280 --> 0:02:23.040 the ears. Talk to the ear. Hey, you know a 0:02:23.120 --> 0:02:25.760 little known fact, by the way, these ears are modeled 0:02:25.800 --> 0:02:30.800 after Stellmark's ears. Oh, it's part of his form. Looks 0:02:30.840 --> 0:02:35.320 like that's okay. So we're talking actually not about three 0:02:35.440 --> 0:02:37.960 D audio today, but instead we're talking about the IVY Leagues, 0:02:38.120 --> 0:02:40.800 which obviously is the topic you pick when you're doing 0:02:40.880 --> 0:02:44.040 a three D audio stunt. Right, Yeah, And I've got 0:02:44.040 --> 0:02:46.520 a couple of quick quotes, if you'll allow. I have 0:02:46.680 --> 0:02:52.640 two friends we share one who went to IVY League schools. Well, 0:02:52.840 --> 0:02:55.320 my friend Rob Elsie, who you do do not know. 0:02:55.400 --> 0:02:57.200 He was my roommate at Georgia for a year and 0:02:58.280 --> 0:03:00.440 I still know. Rob's still friends with him. He went 0:03:00.480 --> 0:03:03.880 to Harvard Law after going to Georgia, and he said 0:03:03.960 --> 0:03:09.840 this that I want to read it exactly. I don't 0:03:09.880 --> 0:03:12.400 want to paraphrase. He said, I always had the perception, 0:03:12.440 --> 0:03:14.720 if you were there in a grad school context, you 0:03:14.720 --> 0:03:17.440 weren't really considered part of the club. And then he 0:03:17.480 --> 0:03:21.080 expanded on that and he said, uh, you know a 0:03:21.160 --> 0:03:24.639 huge number of your classmates came from Ivy's as undergrad. 0:03:24.720 --> 0:03:27.560 So as a grad student coming in from Georgia, he said, 0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:29.600 it was almost like transferring to a new school in 0:03:29.639 --> 0:03:32.359 the middle of a school you're kind of vibe like, oh, 0:03:32.480 --> 0:03:35.119 you went to Georgia and now you're up here with us. 0:03:35.840 --> 0:03:38.120 But he did say it was really coolly diverse in 0:03:38.200 --> 0:03:41.440 law school. And he said, not just like ethnically diverse, 0:03:41.480 --> 0:03:43.720 but he said my class had a former New York 0:03:43.760 --> 0:03:47.119 City beat cop, a cardiologist from China, a former grade 0:03:47.160 --> 0:03:51.360 school teacher. He said, just a lot of really unique experiences. Uh. 0:03:51.400 --> 0:03:55.040 And then I asked our other friend, John Hodgman, Oh, yeah, 0:03:55.120 --> 0:03:58.200 that's right with the Yale of course, if he wanted 0:03:58.240 --> 0:04:02.320 to provide a quote, and he said this a Yale 0:04:02.320 --> 0:04:07.600 man never comments on a podcast. That's pretty funny. Um. 0:04:07.920 --> 0:04:11.839 I know. Hodgeman talked about being invited to I think 0:04:11.880 --> 0:04:16.680 the Skull and Bones club later in life. In one 0:04:16.720 --> 0:04:18.520 of his books, was the Skull and Bones or was 0:04:18.560 --> 0:04:20.000 it one of the other ones. I'm pretty sure it 0:04:20.040 --> 0:04:22.160 was good. I don't know, I don't know. It was 0:04:22.200 --> 0:04:24.600 a great story. It's one of their secret societies. Yeah, 0:04:24.640 --> 0:04:27.480 and I'm not surprised to hear that the Harvard Law 0:04:27.520 --> 0:04:31.400 School is pretty diverse because l Woods was there and 0:04:31.480 --> 0:04:34.200 she diversifies everything. I don't know who that is that's 0:04:34.240 --> 0:04:40.520 illegally blonde reference. Okay, oh man, the ear got it 0:04:40.640 --> 0:04:44.080 starting to complete a little bit, you know, it twitched 0:04:44.080 --> 0:04:47.800 into light. Also, before we really dive in, Chuck, I 0:04:47.880 --> 0:04:52.040 have to say, am I dreaming right now? Because we're 0:04:52.040 --> 0:04:54.200 sitting next to each other and it just is is 0:04:54.240 --> 0:04:57.520 beyond weird. I just have to go on about another minute, Like, 0:04:57.640 --> 0:05:01.960 we haven't recorded together in over a year, we haven't 0:05:02.040 --> 0:05:04.200 been in the same room together, and over here, I 0:05:04.200 --> 0:05:06.800 don't know I have been in a room with a 0:05:06.880 --> 0:05:11.440 person who's not my wife without a mask on, same here, 0:05:11.760 --> 0:05:15.719 without number one hyperventilating or doing it at all. And 0:05:15.760 --> 0:05:18.840 then the fact that we're going to be sitting here 0:05:18.880 --> 0:05:23.159 together for like hours. It's just mind boggling to me. Hey, 0:05:23.240 --> 0:05:26.160 get back to everybody a science, are you? Yes? It is, 0:05:26.440 --> 0:05:29.599 Josh and I will not die because of this. No, No, 0:05:29.760 --> 0:05:32.880 because we were backed. We're gonna grow that baby head 0:05:32.880 --> 0:05:35.799 out of our back that like the bosses around it happens. 0:05:35.839 --> 0:05:41.080 But other than that, we're gonna be good alright. Ivy Leagues. Yeah, 0:05:41.120 --> 0:05:43.320 So one of the things that I had, the Grabster 0:05:43.400 --> 0:05:46.920 helped us out with this one. Um, and I had 0:05:47.080 --> 0:05:49.880 no idea what the IVY League truly is like when 0:05:49.880 --> 0:05:52.480 everybody thinks of the IVY League, you think of, if 0:05:52.520 --> 0:05:55.400 you know what you're talking about eight schools, sometimes referred 0:05:55.440 --> 0:05:58.520 to as the Ancient Eight. There among the oldest schools 0:05:58.920 --> 0:06:03.719 in America. You got Brown Go Bears, Colombia Go Lins, 0:06:03.880 --> 0:06:11.120 Cornell Go Big Red, Dartmouth Go Big Green, Harvard Go Crimson, yea, 0:06:11.200 --> 0:06:19.760 the Crimson tide Um, Pennsylvania Go Quakers. Yeahs um Princeton 0:06:20.080 --> 0:06:24.160 Go Tigers. And then yeah, Hodgments all the model Hodgmans. 0:06:24.320 --> 0:06:27.760 And of those eight, seven of them were founded before 0:06:27.800 --> 0:06:31.360 the United States was even around. Yeah, I mean that's 0:06:31.400 --> 0:06:33.400 kind of one of the cool things about the IVY League, 0:06:33.920 --> 0:06:37.599 which spoiler, it's really just an athletic conference. That's what 0:06:37.680 --> 0:06:39.720 I didn't know. Did you know that? You know, I 0:06:39.760 --> 0:06:42.200 think I knew that, But when I first started looking 0:06:42.200 --> 0:06:45.719 into this as a topic, you think of IVY League 0:06:45.800 --> 0:06:48.960 as a concept, rightfully, I think, because it is that, 0:06:49.520 --> 0:06:53.040 but at its root it is it's a sports athletic conference. No, 0:06:53.360 --> 0:06:55.559 it's kind of weird because one of the other things 0:06:55.600 --> 0:06:57.760 you don't think of when you think of the IVY 0:06:57.800 --> 0:07:00.480 League is sports. Yeah, not really, it's I mean, if 0:07:00.480 --> 0:07:07.279 you're in defensing, rowing, lacrosse, um wrestling, share backgammon, UM 0:07:07.400 --> 0:07:10.360 track and field, you might think of the I V 0:07:10.560 --> 0:07:13.720 S and in fact, like UM women's rowing has been 0:07:13.760 --> 0:07:20.760 dominated apparently by UM the IVY League's cry Brown and um, oh, 0:07:20.840 --> 0:07:23.760 I think it's Cornell women. If I'm not mistaken, I'll 0:07:23.840 --> 0:07:26.080 look I haven't written down somewhere else, So if that's 0:07:26.080 --> 0:07:28.720 not right, I'll correct myself or totally forget to correct 0:07:28.760 --> 0:07:31.920 myself as usual. Um. But yeah, for the most part, 0:07:31.960 --> 0:07:33.840 you don't think sports, even though they do play. It's 0:07:33.840 --> 0:07:38.560 a Division one A A conference also known as Division 0:07:38.560 --> 0:07:41.480 one FCS, so they're not Division one A like they 0:07:41.480 --> 0:07:47.320 wouldn't normally play like Georgia or or Alabama or something 0:07:47.400 --> 0:07:51.800 like that. All right, they play teams like UM, Howard University, 0:07:52.920 --> 0:07:58.200 Holy Cross, UM San Diego, like the kind of universities 0:07:58.240 --> 0:07:59.720 you're like, oh, I didn't know they had a College 0:07:59.720 --> 0:08:04.560 for All team, Like that's the Division Division one FCS. Yeah, 0:08:04.600 --> 0:08:08.320 and occasionally the IVY League will get a basketball team 0:08:08.360 --> 0:08:11.720 that's pretty good. Yeah, I'm talking about it feels like 0:08:11.720 --> 0:08:14.360 once every fifteen years or so. Yale has had some 0:08:14.400 --> 0:08:17.600 pretty long good streaks, right, I don't remember Harvard and 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:19.560 Princeton have had a couple of teams that like went 0:08:19.600 --> 0:08:22.920 to the March Madness Tournament and you know, it's h 0:08:23.720 --> 0:08:25.360 they're they're kind of fun to watch. It's a bunch 0:08:25.360 --> 0:08:27.520 of it's a three point shooting fests from from a 0:08:27.520 --> 0:08:29.680 bunch of white kids, is it. Yeah, yeah, those are 0:08:29.680 --> 0:08:32.720 fun though. I like three point shooting fests. So I 0:08:32.760 --> 0:08:35.040 really love the Golden State Warriors for a while there 0:08:35.679 --> 0:08:42.480 not these days though, No, no, yeah, I mean they've 0:08:42.559 --> 0:08:44.240 kind of hit on hard time, Chuck. I don't know 0:08:44.240 --> 0:08:45.920 if you know. Oh I knew they did last year, 0:08:45.920 --> 0:08:48.240 but I thought they were coming back. So the thing 0:08:48.320 --> 0:08:51.839 is that was like what we're talking about sports? People 0:08:51.880 --> 0:08:53.800 are like, why are you talking about sports? This is 0:08:54.480 --> 0:08:57.520 how the IVY League episode, How the IVY League Works episode. 0:08:57.800 --> 0:09:02.120 So um, we're gonna basically stop talking about sports in 0:09:02.160 --> 0:09:03.880 a little bit. But you have to talk about sports 0:09:03.920 --> 0:09:05.920 because it's like you said, it's a sports league, but 0:09:06.000 --> 0:09:08.920 it's it's just just completely disingenuous to say, like, Okay, 0:09:09.000 --> 0:09:11.240 that's at the IVY League is a sports league. It's 0:09:11.280 --> 0:09:13.800 so much more than that has really so little to 0:09:13.840 --> 0:09:16.320 do with it being a sports league. It just so 0:09:16.440 --> 0:09:20.040 happens that these elite institutions that were elite long before 0:09:20.040 --> 0:09:23.080 the sport of football came around, happened to join into 0:09:23.160 --> 0:09:28.840 a conference together informed a yeah sports conference. Yeah, but 0:09:28.920 --> 0:09:31.200 it it really is a concept, and it's you know, 0:09:31.240 --> 0:09:33.920 it's a grouping of schools, like you said, are among 0:09:33.960 --> 0:09:38.120 the oldest, the most prestigious. Uh, we'll talk about their 0:09:38.200 --> 0:09:40.840 elite status and whether or not that's true. It is 0:09:42.080 --> 0:09:45.679 whether or not they are elitists. They can be, but 0:09:45.720 --> 0:09:50.080 they're trying to fix that, Josh not you know, those 0:09:50.080 --> 0:09:53.600 ears can't see you. I don't know that's the point. 0:09:54.240 --> 0:09:57.080 But yeah, I mean it's where I mean, we'll get 0:09:57.120 --> 0:09:59.760 to all this, but it's where the presidents of the 0:09:59.800 --> 0:10:03.440 unit I did States and Supreme Court justices and CEOs 0:10:03.480 --> 0:10:07.280 of huge law firms and companies go to school. You know. Yeah. 0:10:07.360 --> 0:10:09.160 The idea is that if you make it into an 0:10:09.200 --> 0:10:11.520 ivy League school, you can basically write your own ticket 0:10:12.160 --> 0:10:15.640 from the United States, right. Yeah, And it's been that 0:10:15.679 --> 0:10:17.440 way for a really long time and for a really 0:10:17.480 --> 0:10:19.560 long time that that is just how it was. But 0:10:19.640 --> 0:10:22.720 then when they started to kind of expand and try 0:10:22.840 --> 0:10:28.400 to be bastions of higher education that serve also seoeconomic 0:10:28.440 --> 0:10:31.240 status is give the best and the brightest, regardless of 0:10:31.280 --> 0:10:34.480 your income a fast track to that. It became clear 0:10:34.559 --> 0:10:37.440 that that's not necessarily how it works. That in a 0:10:37.480 --> 0:10:40.600 lot of ways, Ivy League schools really are just this 0:10:40.720 --> 0:10:44.720 conveyor belt for dynasties, you know that that just serve 0:10:45.120 --> 0:10:49.840 the highest echelons of society. But it is it's unfair 0:10:49.920 --> 0:10:52.480 to say that they aren't doing anything about that or 0:10:52.880 --> 0:10:56.720 don't do anything about it. They do try to counteract that. So, uh, 0:10:56.800 --> 0:10:58.160 if I were to write my own ticket, you know 0:10:58.200 --> 0:11:02.280 it would be Jay Walking. Really, I was gonna say Aerosmith. 0:11:03.880 --> 0:11:06.680 I didn't think about that kind of ticure. Man. Yeah, man, 0:11:06.840 --> 0:11:09.200 you gotta expand your mind. Now I gotta pay some 0:11:09.240 --> 0:11:12.400 stupid Jaywalkee. Fine, and you're rocking out to Arios. Now 0:11:13.240 --> 0:11:15.679 you met the wrong direction with that, al right, So 0:11:16.120 --> 0:11:17.800 I guess we can talk about the origin of the 0:11:17.880 --> 0:11:21.400 name IVY League. Um, there is one. Well, there are 0:11:21.400 --> 0:11:23.559 a couple of stories that that are not true that 0:11:23.640 --> 0:11:26.880 you still hear people say are true in certain circles. 0:11:27.040 --> 0:11:30.760 None Ivy circles. Uh. It's that when they first got 0:11:30.840 --> 0:11:34.640 together to talk about forming a sports league, there were 0:11:34.679 --> 0:11:38.000 four schools, so they used the Roman numeral four, which 0:11:38.080 --> 0:11:41.240 is an I V and they called themselves ivy league. 0:11:41.760 --> 0:11:44.360 That is not true, or that I saw a kind 0:11:44.400 --> 0:11:48.199 of elitist lee. Um. It was the outsiders saw the 0:11:48.760 --> 0:11:51.800 Roman numeral four and called the ivy incorrectly, which is 0:11:51.840 --> 0:11:55.680 even more like even worse. But yes, that's just not true. 0:11:56.200 --> 0:11:58.920 There's another story that's a little closer to the truth 0:11:59.000 --> 0:12:03.120 that this one sport writer in the thirties um complained 0:12:03.160 --> 0:12:05.160 that he was gonna have to watch the ivy grow 0:12:05.280 --> 0:12:08.280 at some of these IVY covered institutions when he was 0:12:08.360 --> 0:12:13.000 assigned to cover I think a Columbia football game, right, Yeah, 0:12:13.120 --> 0:12:16.439 Columbia Penn game in nineteen thirty seven, and Casswell Adams 0:12:17.040 --> 0:12:19.280 was not too happy about that assignment. No, and so 0:12:20.240 --> 0:12:23.320 his his editor, guy named Stanley Woodward of the New 0:12:23.400 --> 0:12:26.640 York Herold Tribune, took that ivy thing and ran within 0:12:26.800 --> 0:12:30.080 created the ivy League. That story is probably not true either, 0:12:30.320 --> 0:12:33.440 but it does seem like Stanley Woodward is a good 0:12:33.559 --> 0:12:36.079 bet for the person who came up with the term 0:12:36.240 --> 0:12:39.520 ivy league, right, and then in nineteen thirty five was 0:12:39.600 --> 0:12:44.280 officially used in print from AP editor Alan Gould. But 0:12:44.400 --> 0:12:47.880 it seems like the It seems like it might just 0:12:48.000 --> 0:12:50.160 be as simple as the fact that these are schools 0:12:50.559 --> 0:12:54.240 that literally have a bunch of buildings with ivy colored walls, 0:12:54.480 --> 0:12:56.960 not colored, but ivy growing on the walls, right, which 0:12:57.040 --> 0:13:00.920 is this kind of um It has like a distinguished 0:13:01.000 --> 0:13:05.360 air to it. It's it lends like this umw super 0:13:05.520 --> 0:13:09.680 upper crust vibe ivy. Letting ivy grow up the walls 0:13:09.720 --> 0:13:12.719 of your institution. It's definitely like it's a certain thing 0:13:12.840 --> 0:13:14.800 and it creates a certain vibe. And that vibe just 0:13:14.880 --> 0:13:18.120 happens to be exactly what the Ivy League schools are 0:13:18.120 --> 0:13:20.800 all about. And I mean they even have like ivy 0:13:20.920 --> 0:13:26.920 planting ceremonies for incoming classes. Um. And I believe all 0:13:27.120 --> 0:13:31.719 except Yale let ivy grow still. But Yale, I think, 0:13:31.760 --> 0:13:34.160 starting back in the eighties started cutting their's back because 0:13:34.160 --> 0:13:37.120 it's actually not good for your building. Ivy roots get 0:13:37.160 --> 0:13:40.520 into masonry joints, they hold moisture. It's not a it's 0:13:40.520 --> 0:13:43.120 a bad jam basically, and it can really cut into 0:13:43.200 --> 0:13:46.720 your annual take from your endowment to fix those buildings. 0:13:46.800 --> 0:13:49.160 So Yale said no more. They have a little bit 0:13:49.160 --> 0:13:50.959 of ivy crawling up a couple of halls, but for 0:13:51.040 --> 0:13:53.719 the most part it's gone from the campus. I've got 0:13:53.840 --> 0:13:59.160 IVY on my part of one of my privacy fences 0:14:00.240 --> 0:14:02.480 between my neighbor and I built that privous defence when 0:14:02.520 --> 0:14:05.360 we moved in myself with my own hands, and IVY 0:14:05.400 --> 0:14:07.840 started growing and now as a complete wall of IVY 0:14:08.520 --> 0:14:12.439 and it looks awesome. Yeah, I think it's a mosquito farm, 0:14:12.559 --> 0:14:14.880 is what I've heard, but I don't want to. I mean, 0:14:14.920 --> 0:14:17.360 I trim it back, but I'm gonna leave it there 0:14:17.400 --> 0:14:19.720 because it looks really cool. It's also chipmunks love to 0:14:19.800 --> 0:14:21.560 live in there too, So how can you how can 0:14:21.600 --> 0:14:24.000 you do away with the chipmunk house? Can't get rid 0:14:24.040 --> 0:14:26.800 of their habitat? Where would they go? I know? Um, 0:14:27.120 --> 0:14:30.760 you want to take a little break. Yeah, I'm gonna 0:14:30.800 --> 0:14:34.240 go get a Q tip for this microphone. Okay, I'll 0:14:34.240 --> 0:14:35.880 be right back. I'm gonna go breathe into a paper 0:14:35.920 --> 0:14:40.200 bank for a little bit. That's so much stuff from 0:14:40.400 --> 0:15:01.080 Josh and shock stuff you sh all right, chuck. So 0:15:01.160 --> 0:15:04.080 we're back. Um. And So the IVY League, as we 0:15:04.160 --> 0:15:08.640 were saying, basically came out of the formation of the 0:15:08.720 --> 0:15:12.200 sports league itself. It was probably a sports editor named 0:15:12.200 --> 0:15:16.720 Stanley Woodward came up with the name UM. And what 0:15:16.880 --> 0:15:20.600 I think really just kind of underscores the IVY League's 0:15:20.600 --> 0:15:24.520 approached to sports is that the reason the IVY League formed, 0:15:24.560 --> 0:15:26.720 and it try there are some stops and starts in 0:15:26.800 --> 0:15:29.240 the beginning of the twentieth century, especially in like the 0:15:29.400 --> 0:15:33.760 thirties UM, where you know, not all eight were involved 0:15:33.920 --> 0:15:36.400 or at all eight were allowed in and some people 0:15:36.440 --> 0:15:38.240 were mad and all that, and it just didn't quite 0:15:38.280 --> 0:15:41.720 come together until the mid forties when they came together 0:15:41.880 --> 0:15:45.920 and formed the Ivy Group Agreement in all eight schools 0:15:45.960 --> 0:15:49.360 didn't and they basically did it to say, uh, we're 0:15:49.440 --> 0:15:53.160 really worried about this kind of growing influence of sports, 0:15:53.240 --> 0:15:56.040 and in particular football, we want to make sure that 0:15:56.120 --> 0:15:58.320 doesn't happen in our school. So they formed a sports 0:15:58.400 --> 0:16:02.640 league to better control roll football as far as it's 0:16:02.680 --> 0:16:06.000 balanced with academic life. That's what the IVY League Sports 0:16:06.080 --> 0:16:08.080 League was based on. Yeah, and I think there were 0:16:08.160 --> 0:16:10.960 some worries too about the danger of football early on, 0:16:11.120 --> 0:16:13.840 because you know, back then, actually I'm trying to think 0:16:13.880 --> 0:16:16.680 of what the helmets were like. They were not much. 0:16:17.040 --> 0:16:21.760 They were basically like um, like a sheep skin wrapped 0:16:21.800 --> 0:16:24.080 around her head and then you hope for the best. No, 0:16:24.240 --> 0:16:28.040 I think that was post just leather heads years. I 0:16:28.120 --> 0:16:30.560 don't know. I think that was still into the fouries. 0:16:30.600 --> 0:16:33.840 I think it was maybe the late fifties early sixties 0:16:33.880 --> 0:16:36.520 when they started like the helmet with the single ball 0:16:36.760 --> 0:16:40.680 but faces right, No, nothing like that. I remember at 0:16:40.720 --> 0:16:43.080 the college or the Pro Football Hall of Fame they 0:16:43.160 --> 0:16:45.320 have like the helmets through the years right when you 0:16:45.400 --> 0:16:48.000 kind of first come in, and it is pretty jarring 0:16:48.040 --> 0:16:49.840 to look at those early ones and drink that those 0:16:49.880 --> 0:16:53.720 guys were just so concussed. The widow maker, that's what 0:16:53.800 --> 0:16:58.360 they called that leather helmet with the ears. Yeah we're 0:16:58.440 --> 0:17:02.440 okay and protected. But yeah, I think they just took 0:17:02.480 --> 0:17:04.800 like the little wrestling ears and threw some leather on 0:17:04.880 --> 0:17:07.840 top of that. Uh so, Yeah, they signed the Ivy 0:17:07.880 --> 0:17:10.840 Group Agreement. They said football is dangerous and we don't 0:17:10.840 --> 0:17:12.280 want it to get in the way of school. And 0:17:12.400 --> 0:17:16.920 then in fifty four they expanded that to include all 0:17:17.040 --> 0:17:21.639 the competitions athletic athletically speaking. And then I think in 0:17:21.800 --> 0:17:26.280 nineteen fifty six they actually started playing these sports and 0:17:26.440 --> 0:17:29.000 they finally got around into it. Then yeah, and it 0:17:29.160 --> 0:17:33.600 was I think there was the Eastern Intercollegiate Basketball League 0:17:33.640 --> 0:17:36.560 was where they first played basketball in nineteen o one, 0:17:36.840 --> 0:17:39.000 and then they rolled that into the IVY League when 0:17:39.040 --> 0:17:41.960 they finally came around in fifty six. So they like 0:17:42.080 --> 0:17:45.200 to claim, uh that they are the oldest n C 0:17:45.480 --> 0:17:50.240 Double A Division one basketball conference because of that first 0:17:50.480 --> 0:17:54.320 UH was that the E I b L Um not 0:17:54.480 --> 0:17:58.600 the prettiest acronym I've ever seen. Um, But the that 0:17:58.760 --> 0:18:01.720 IVY group agree. And then later on the formation of 0:18:01.800 --> 0:18:05.000 the IVY League, UM, like I was saying, they wanted 0:18:05.040 --> 0:18:08.360 to balance academics with sports. There were basically like, these 0:18:08.400 --> 0:18:10.840 students are here to learn, but if they have time 0:18:10.920 --> 0:18:13.240 or they're interested in sports, shirt, we'll let them play sports. 0:18:13.600 --> 0:18:16.399 So they kind of um sketched out some rules that 0:18:16.640 --> 0:18:22.520 other universities and colleges would find to be utter madness. UM, 0:18:22.920 --> 0:18:27.720 no athletic scholarships whatsoever, Like if you you can't go 0:18:27.960 --> 0:18:31.280 to an IVY League school and an athletic scholarship, like 0:18:31.440 --> 0:18:34.440 financially it's supposed to be reserved for the the the 0:18:34.600 --> 0:18:39.359 brightest students of less means or lower means than the 0:18:39.520 --> 0:18:43.879 other kids. Right you also, UM, if you end up 0:18:43.920 --> 0:18:47.159 in a championship or a playoff or something. What do 0:18:47.240 --> 0:18:49.600 you have to do if you're the team, Well, you 0:18:49.680 --> 0:18:53.960 don't go. Uh, although I guess basketball is an exception 0:18:54.040 --> 0:18:56.800 because they have played in the March Madness tournament. But 0:18:57.040 --> 0:18:59.720 I know that if they if I mean must be 0:18:59.800 --> 0:19:02.080 on the football teams, probably not gonna make I know, 0:19:02.200 --> 0:19:04.320 it's not really a problem if you think about it. 0:19:04.520 --> 0:19:06.840 But if they did, supposedly they would have to skip 0:19:06.960 --> 0:19:10.600 the ball game. Uh. They don't allow grad students to play, 0:19:11.280 --> 0:19:14.240 although that's not the most common thing even at other schools. 0:19:14.359 --> 0:19:16.880 They also switched that this year because of the coronavirus. 0:19:16.960 --> 0:19:18.399 If you were a senior and you didn't get to 0:19:18.440 --> 0:19:20.879 play in but you're gonna be a grad student at 0:19:20.920 --> 0:19:23.359 the same IVY League school, they're letting you play one 0:19:23.400 --> 0:19:25.480 more year, which is like a huge till a first 0:19:25.560 --> 0:19:29.760 year at Harvard law student could play football Yeah and dominate. Yeah, 0:19:32.240 --> 0:19:36.000 I dominate on the line and in case law. Uh. 0:19:36.080 --> 0:19:37.600 And then what's the other one. Oh, they don't allow 0:19:37.800 --> 0:19:41.920 red shirts, right, the practice of red shirting a student. Yeah, 0:19:41.960 --> 0:19:43.680 because I mean, you're a pretty serious you have a 0:19:43.720 --> 0:19:46.119 serious sports program. If you're taking people and being like 0:19:46.200 --> 0:19:47.840 I think you're gonna be better as a junior and 0:19:47.880 --> 0:19:50.000 senior or as a freshman. We want to add an 0:19:50.040 --> 0:19:52.840 extra year onto your school. So where this red shirt 0:19:52.880 --> 0:19:55.359 around for the next twelve Monthent do not take it off. 0:19:55.440 --> 0:19:58.200 Real should be disqualified. You're not allowed. So and I 0:19:58.280 --> 0:20:00.600 mean these rules have been in place in SSPECTED for 0:20:01.040 --> 0:20:04.159 decades now, since the since the nineteen forties when they 0:20:04.240 --> 0:20:07.640 first came together. So um, that's not to say though 0:20:07.680 --> 0:20:10.240 that even even though they're not very good at football 0:20:10.359 --> 0:20:13.760 and not necessarily very good at basketball, that there aren't 0:20:13.800 --> 0:20:18.119 like any teams or any individuals that excel at sports 0:20:18.160 --> 0:20:22.919 and win national championships. Like I said, um, Brown and Yale, 0:20:23.119 --> 0:20:27.200 it was the Yale women who um dominate rowing. I 0:20:27.280 --> 0:20:30.760 don't know Brown, Brown and Yaka yeah yeah, um, but 0:20:30.840 --> 0:20:34.360 I think it said earlier Cornell. Right now, I think 0:20:34.359 --> 0:20:36.960 I said earlier Cornell. But it's it's Brown and Yale, 0:20:37.040 --> 0:20:39.560 who are um women who are both good at rowing. 0:20:39.960 --> 0:20:43.000 Yeah you could, if you're a wrestler, you could do 0:20:43.119 --> 0:20:45.080 pretty well at one of the schools. Yeah, you could 0:20:45.520 --> 0:20:50.239 end up on the Gray Fox team or if you're 0:20:50.280 --> 0:20:52.919 on the ski team, if you know, if your university 0:20:52.960 --> 0:20:55.000 has a ski team. Then that says a lot already. 0:20:55.320 --> 0:20:57.639 It really does. First of all, it says you're from 0:20:57.680 --> 0:21:01.160 the Northeast. But also it's is that you probably came 0:21:01.200 --> 0:21:03.600 from a wealthy high school that had a ski team. Yea, 0:21:03.960 --> 0:21:07.720 which is a thing that we'll talk about later on. Well, 0:21:08.040 --> 0:21:11.640 sure that these sports are for people with money generally? Yeah, 0:21:11.880 --> 0:21:16.560 basically that, um, because there's not a really good basketball 0:21:16.600 --> 0:21:19.280 team or football team there. I think their baseball teams 0:21:19.320 --> 0:21:22.679 are so so too. Hockey team to a little bit. That. Um, 0:21:22.960 --> 0:21:25.800 you basically have to come from a wealthy school district 0:21:26.000 --> 0:21:31.320 in high school to excel at sports in these universities. Yeah, 0:21:31.359 --> 0:21:32.760 I mean, I guess that kind of sets us up 0:21:32.800 --> 0:21:34.600 for the big question is whether or not these are 0:21:34.720 --> 0:21:39.000 elitist schools. I think they're sort of in a I 0:21:39.040 --> 0:21:40.440 don't know about a pickle. I think they're in a 0:21:40.520 --> 0:21:45.160 constant pickle trying to be elite without appearing elitist. That's 0:21:45.160 --> 0:21:51.800 a that's a tough act, believe me. Yeah, Oh that's funny. Um, 0:21:52.280 --> 0:21:54.720 And they are elite schools, Like if you go to 0:21:55.160 --> 0:21:57.800 an Ivy League school, they say you have a five 0:21:57.880 --> 0:22:01.960 to sixfold advantage relative to random distribution of attainment of 0:22:02.000 --> 0:22:05.160 a top position in business or government. So you're five 0:22:05.240 --> 0:22:08.280 to six times more likely to be a CEO or 0:22:08.359 --> 0:22:11.680 to be that Supreme Court justice, right, especially if you 0:22:11.720 --> 0:22:14.520 go to business or law school. Right, but yeah, anything 0:22:14.640 --> 0:22:17.440 finance or law. I think eight of the nine current 0:22:17.560 --> 0:22:21.080 justices went there, except for Amy Coney Barrett, who went 0:22:21.119 --> 0:22:24.480 to Notre Dame Well the Catholic Ivy Yeah, that's true, 0:22:24.480 --> 0:22:26.480 I guess, um. Yeah, so yeah, if you're on the 0:22:26.560 --> 0:22:29.760 Supreme Court, there's an extraordinarily high likelihood you are a 0:22:29.840 --> 0:22:34.200 graduate of not just an undergraduate of um An Ivy League, 0:22:34.200 --> 0:22:36.720 but also a graduate of an Ivy League law school. 0:22:36.760 --> 0:22:39.280 It's just it's just not done to have a Supreme 0:22:39.280 --> 0:22:42.600 Court justice who isn't so. Amy Comy Barrett definitely bucks 0:22:42.640 --> 0:22:46.680