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Speaker 1: You know what that means. It's time for a brand

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Speaker 1: new episode of The Draft Show, presented by Miller Lite.

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Speaker 1: I am David Hellman. I assume most people listening to

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Speaker 1: this are listening and not watching. But Jeff Kavanaugh with

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Speaker 1: the very very animated introductions for everybody over here in

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Speaker 1: the studio, Brian brought us Kyle Yeoman's guys. I'm coming

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Speaker 1: back from a brief vacation. So I feel like it's

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Speaker 1: been a minute. It's good to see y'all. What's going on.

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Speaker 1: Great to see you as well. Do you have fun?

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Speaker 1: I did? Yeah, it was really great, just letting y'all

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Speaker 1: handle all the free agency madness, every all of the

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Speaker 1: anger and angst. And that was a pretty well timed vacation.

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Speaker 1: I'm not mad about it. I'm not mad about it.

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Speaker 1: How are we doing? Brian doing great? Just kind of

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Speaker 1: banging through these guys. Man, this you're gonna wake up

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Speaker 1: one day and it's going to be the Draft. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: tell me about it. It's much twenty second and then

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Speaker 1: that's what's crazy about this. And you know you're getting

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Speaker 1: the pro days knocked out. These quarterbacks are all going

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Speaker 1: this week Texas A and m Rolls with a couple

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Speaker 1: of guys that you're gonna have Coach is probably interested in. So, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's a it's a good week. I'll give you you

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Speaker 1: know what, we'll play choose our own adventure today because

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Speaker 1: there's a few things I want to hit you kind

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Speaker 1: of alluded to it right there. We can start with

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Speaker 1: sort of a Pro day wrap up, because there's actually

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Speaker 1: a decent amount of things happening in the world of

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Speaker 1: Pro days right now. Or we can sort of look

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Speaker 1: at what the Cowboys have done since y'all were last

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Speaker 1: on the air in terms of free agency and how

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Speaker 1: that affects our thoughts on the draft. What would you

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Speaker 1: rather do first, We're gonna do both. Yeah, talk about

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Speaker 1: your football team. Okay, talk about your football teams because

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Speaker 1: that might carry you to what you might do in

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Speaker 1: the future. Which it's actually I can hear. I can

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Speaker 1: hear the eye rolls from here about how significant the

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Speaker 1: moves are. But it was a busy few days for

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys getting pretty involved. Literally right after y'all go

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Speaker 1: off the air on Thursday, they start adding James Washington,

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Speaker 1: Dante Fowler come on from outside the team. They bring

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Speaker 1: back Layton vander esh on a one year deal. Yesterday

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Speaker 1: we find out that Jay Curse is also back on

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Speaker 1: a two year deal. So primarily defensive signings, addressing some

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Speaker 1: of the problem spots on the defensive side of the ball,

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Speaker 1: also adding a third receiver to go behind Michael Gallup

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Speaker 1: and Ceedee Lamb. How and for my money, this is

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Speaker 1: this is quintessential Cowboys in the sense that most of

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Speaker 1: these guys are going to fail your hole the holes

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Speaker 1: on your roster without changing your draft strategy. You're not

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Speaker 1: going to go away from somebody in the draft because

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Speaker 1: James Washington is here. I assume that's how y'all see it,

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Speaker 1: but I don't know. Take me through it. How do

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Speaker 1: you feel about these guys? I kind of think that

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Speaker 1: the three guys you signed Vandresh, Washington and Fowler could

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Speaker 1: all be replaced with draft picks. This is the Will McClay.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to protect myself going in. I'm not married

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Speaker 1: to any one of these guys. If Dan Quinn somehow

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Speaker 1: magically makes Fowler play really well, then say Washington fits

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Speaker 1: into what they're trying to do in the room, then

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Speaker 1: you know, maybe that's the possibility of those guys. But

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Speaker 1: this is right, This is the Cowboys just protecting themselves

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Speaker 1: in case things don't work out like they need to

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Speaker 1: in the draft, and Fowler is very Cowboys where it's

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Speaker 1: former top five pick has had NFL success, but for

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Speaker 1: two years he hadn't been a good NFL player and

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Speaker 1: so hey, but he's going with dan Quinn now, and

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Speaker 1: so he's gonna be Dorance Armstrong, I think is clearly

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Speaker 1: good good called Dorance Armstrong also agreeing to come. That's

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Speaker 1: lot of people hear the name Dante Fowler and it's like, heck, yeah, dude,

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Speaker 1: we got our other starting defensive end. And I'm like, hey,

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Speaker 1: I don't think you did. I think you got a fun,

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Speaker 1: So he's not too old to still be good at football.

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Speaker 1: So there's reason for optimism. But you did not get

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Speaker 1: This is where you, like last year, we weren't talking

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Speaker 1: what's he doing out there? Kind of thing. So this

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Speaker 1: is a guy that trying. I'm really trying, Kyle, maybe

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Speaker 1: to be nicer about saying he's never been a good

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Speaker 1: He's been. He's been, he's been on a roster mediocre

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Speaker 1: like James Washington, however you want to measure it for

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Speaker 1: so you can, like you can rationalize your way to

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Speaker 1: thinking he could be decent here, but he's not. I

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Speaker 1: don't think he's a starter on your team. No, I

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Speaker 1: think you're drafting one. Jeff's right. I mean, he's never

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Speaker 1: He was drafted after as the league's fault. He told

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Speaker 1: all just said, if I'm stacking it, receiver still looks

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Speaker 1: to me like the position most in need of a

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Speaker 1: It's a blinking red light in terms of what they

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Speaker 1: saying you couldn't draft one, but I'm sort of looking

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Speaker 1: picked the best player there. I do think they're short

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Speaker 1: probably if I'm not comfortable with what they're they're starting

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Speaker 1: defensive ends. Like if you play a numbers game, you

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Speaker 1: Golston Basham Fouler. You're almost there. Kind of there. You're

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Speaker 1: forgetting a piece of this that I think is important.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't play in just talking about the MICA's name

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Speaker 1: Michael Parsons, so I guess he's six edges. Like in theory,

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Speaker 1: you could go knowing that Micah has that potential. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I kind of feel fine. I'm not saying it's great.

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Speaker 1: then it's like, hey, we're rushing the pastor and excuse me,

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Speaker 1: Mike is basically yeah, I'm going to point out a

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Speaker 1: scarred that they pushed a guy that Philbin didn't like.

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Philan wasn't here when Connor McGovern was drafted. No,

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Speaker 1: segment of the show. You know what that means, Chris,

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Speaker 1: can you help me? I love this question from Sam,

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Speaker 1: so I guess this. This happened last week. We are

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Speaker 1: aware of this. But the Cowboys did get two extra

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Speaker 1: compensatory picks in addition to the pick that they got

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Speaker 1: for Kicker. Time to go get punt God, we got

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Speaker 1: a package to move up. Sam wants to know realistic

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Speaker 1: things you can do with the fives, which I actually

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Speaker 1: all the way to threes. You get you get a

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Speaker 1: three for you're so damn prepared, Bran. I took the

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Speaker 1: liberty of finding the point values. And we know no

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Speaker 1: two charts are the same. But the four fifth round

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Speaker 1: picks are worth twenty eight, twenty three, nineteen, and a

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Speaker 1: little less than nineteen. You are right. If you add

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Speaker 1: all of that together, it is worth a low third

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Speaker 1: round pick. There you go. Is that really feasible? Like?

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Speaker 1: Would would? Would anybody take? Like nobody's trading away from

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Speaker 1: a guy? Rams would? Yeah? The Rams might? You're right, Rams, Like, shoot,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna trade all of our high picks for superstar players.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna pay them, We're gonna backload deals, We're gonna

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Speaker 1: move money around. We're gonna draft three starters with eight

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Speaker 1: day three picks. It doesn't seem super realizing. It doesn't

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Speaker 1: seem super realistic, though, cal Ram, you get the Rams

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Speaker 1: third round pick and pick punt guard. The Rams have

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Speaker 1: a compensatory pick at one oh four in the third

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Speaker 1: back into the third. It's the next to last picks

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Speaker 1: the third round. I'm only halfway joking. I'm just sorry.

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Speaker 1: Adda Raisa might go in the third round. I think

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Speaker 1: he probably will. Like if you wanted to move up

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Speaker 1: from your four, if you wanted to, like just watching,

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Speaker 1: there's a punter that might be of you. Even when

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Speaker 1: you're going and you're grabbing all of those fifth round

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Speaker 1: picks where you would probably take a kicker or a

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Speaker 1: punter either either way, you're bundling it up and then

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Speaker 1: going just outside the top one hundred to take a punter,

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Speaker 1: regardless matters. He's a third punter, eighty yard punt. He's

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Speaker 1: a phenomenal punny. You go three and out touchback. You

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Speaker 1: also had a pro bowler that you could bring back

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Speaker 1: at some point. Well, he cost money. He cost five

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Speaker 1: million dollars a matter raise, it would cost like six hundred. Okay,

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Speaker 1: if that's the case, then yeah, I'm going to get

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Speaker 1: punt guard. But we need to hold on to one

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Speaker 1: of our fifths so that we can pick a kicker.

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. I would go, I would shoot

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Speaker 1: this thing back to back punter, and then I boom

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Speaker 1: hit that kicker right behind it. If anything, we have

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Speaker 1: joined at the hip from then on out. I I

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Speaker 1: doubt I always Actually we said it all last year though,

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Speaker 1: it's like they're not going to make all eleven of

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Speaker 1: those picks, and they did definitely do. But I laying

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Speaker 1: toward thinking like they'll use they'll use two of these

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Speaker 1: picks to like move up into the four if like

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Speaker 1: they did for Tyler Biadas something like third round. You're

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Speaker 1: in the third round and you've picked a whatever, You've

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Speaker 1: picked a guard, and then you picked a wide receiver.

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Speaker 1: You're in the third round. There's a linebacker you like,

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Speaker 1: you don't think he's gonna make it to your third

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Speaker 1: round pick. You throw them a five. You move up

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Speaker 1: three or four spots, you pick your guy. If you're

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Speaker 1: if you're really good at this and pro personnel, you

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Speaker 1: would identify a backup offensive lineman and another team and

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Speaker 1: offer one of those fifth round picks and then take

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Speaker 1: it that way and then that way you don't have

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Speaker 1: to worry about potentially the guard in the early rounds.

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, like, right now, like it over the couple

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Speaker 1: of words, you could do a draft weekend quenta five. Yeah, right,

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Speaker 1: it was the six that went to a five. Maybe

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Speaker 1: you could find a team exactly is already thinking about

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Speaker 1: Bryce Young and c J. Strouge like Atlanta and maybe Houston,

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Speaker 1: and like, do you guys have an aging starting guard? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's good. See that I don't want to win. That's

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Speaker 1: what I would do. I mean, maybe knock this thing

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Speaker 1: out with one of those fivesco and get you the

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Speaker 1: guard and then boom and then you don't have to

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Speaker 1: potentially worry about as much going into the draft. Oh

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Speaker 1: that would be. That would be smart, smart draft and

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Speaker 1: smart personnel. I used to do this a long time ago,

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Speaker 1: flip for I would try two year old guard. I

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Speaker 1: would try my best, I really would. Corey wants y'all

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Speaker 1: to analyze the depth of the receiver class versus the

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Speaker 1: depth of the O line class. Again, I think it's

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Speaker 1: good and good, very obvious what people are zeroing in

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Speaker 1: on in terms of big picks. Guard at guard. I

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Speaker 1: don't like it as much outside of the first round

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Speaker 1: as I like wide receiver outside of the first round.

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Speaker 1: But both of them, like you're gonna find step in

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Speaker 1: starters and the third round at both positions, I think

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Speaker 1: so like. I don't think there's a drastic difference, but

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Speaker 1: there's wide receiver goes ten deep of guys I really like,

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Speaker 1: and guard goes two to three deep that I really like.

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Speaker 1: So I think wide receiver is deeper with your top

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Speaker 1: fifty six picks, because there's at least ten guys that

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Speaker 1: I would take at fifty six at play wide receiver,

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Speaker 1: I get to a total of maybe four guards you're

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Speaker 1: comfortable picking in the top fifty six. Yeah, that's probably

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Speaker 1: about right. I'm looking depth wise too, and out of

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Speaker 1: the top one hundred, I have sixteen offensive linemen in

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Speaker 1: the top one hundred, whereas wide receiver, I have sixteen

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Speaker 1: wide receivers in the top one hundred. So I mean

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Speaker 1: that's a great question because at least in terms of

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Speaker 1: what I'm looking at, it's dead even in between the two.

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Speaker 1: I still lean toward thinking you'd be better off addressing

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Speaker 1: the line earlier. And this is this is dependent on

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Speaker 1: what they do in free agency obviously, but yeah, you're

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Speaker 1: gonna have to go grab Williams are just gonna be green, Johnson, Ingram,

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Speaker 1: You're gonna have to go grab one of those guys.

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Speaker 1: And I think I think early and then the wide

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Speaker 1: receivers I think stretches a little bit deeper, you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean, the chance to get a plug and play

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Speaker 1: guy is going to have to go early as opposed

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Speaker 1: to going later. Along this line of reasoning, Bill wants

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Speaker 1: to know if Kenyon Green's guard tackle flex gives him

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Speaker 1: any sort of edge, like the fact that he played

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Speaker 1: for positions. Ingram did the same thing, Zion Johnson did

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Speaker 1: the same thing. Yeah, you know, no, does that? Are

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Speaker 1: you saying that because you don't think he can play

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Speaker 1: tackle in the NFL? Or see, I think he could.

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Speaker 1: I think if you were playing in a football game

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Speaker 1: and your left tackle rolled his ankle, your right tackle

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Speaker 1: tweaked a hammy, and your swing tackle broke a toe,

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Speaker 1: could Kenyon Green go play tackle and survive in the NFL? Yes,

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Speaker 1: I think she's going to point out that that has

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Speaker 1: kind of happened here. Yeah, over the last couple of

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Speaker 1: years about that Steelers game right now. If that bumps

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Speaker 1: a guy up for you, fine, But like I think

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Speaker 1: Kenyan Green is going to step in and be a

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Speaker 1: quality starting guard in the league. And if he stepped

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Speaker 1: in as a tackle, he would struggle. So like it

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Speaker 1: ain't Zack Martin. Zack Martin could line up wherever you

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Speaker 1: want right now and make a Pro Bowl. I think

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Speaker 1: Kenyon Green is an NFL guard. I think he could

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Speaker 1: say the same thing about Zion Johnson. He's a guard.

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Speaker 1: At the same time, I mean it's he has position flex.

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Speaker 1: And there is some sort of modern day NFL value

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Speaker 1: to players with position flex, but at least on the

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Speaker 1: offensive line, I don't really have any interested. Man. I

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Speaker 1: used to think that position flex was good and important.

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Speaker 1: It means you can't do either, yeah, I mean, and

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Speaker 1: just you know, or you're a Hall of Famer. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: like Micah Parsons and Zach Martin have position flex. Yeah

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Speaker 1: they can go do you can? There's certain positions where

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Speaker 1: you know, but you talk about an offensive lineman that

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Speaker 1: has position flex, you're kind of like going and let's

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Speaker 1: like you say it's Zach Martin. But otherwise you go, oh, man,

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Speaker 1: he's really a good center. Now, I mean I would

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Speaker 1: say I would I would say Connor Williams has position flex.

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Speaker 1: He could probably play center, he could probably play guard,

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Speaker 1: he could probably play cycle. But doing it with you

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Speaker 1: and watched him do all that in a pro whenever

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Speaker 1: they did at a training camp, that was saying, hey,

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Speaker 1: maybe we could slide a guy in at left guard,

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Speaker 1: because if he was really good, they did ab caliber

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Speaker 1: at left guard. That's the problem they didn't the move.

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Speaker 1: I think for the most part, it's a lie. Like,

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Speaker 1: for instance, Connor McGovern might be an NFL starter, he

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Speaker 1: really he might be sure at right guard. Yeah, connorc

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Speaker 1: govern's not even a left guard. Yeah, he can't even

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Speaker 1: play both guards. Terrence Steele is a starting right tackle. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: my guy can't play left tackle. So, like we create

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Speaker 1: this thing in our head where offensive line is offensive

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Speaker 1: line for the vast majority of these guys, it's not.

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Speaker 1: They can play a spot. Terrence is a right tackle. Connor,

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Speaker 1: unfortunately is a right guard. He can't play there because

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Speaker 1: Zach Martin exists. I think position flex is made up.

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Speaker 1: Most of the time, you're talking yourself into something. I think.

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Speaker 1: I think you're trying to be going to read he's right,

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Speaker 1: You're trying to give yourself a reason to take the guy. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and he's the forty eighth player on your roster, and

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Speaker 1: you're going, is there somebody better out there that we

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Speaker 1: can find? Is there somebody? And then you play him,

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Speaker 1: and then you really realize that a first round guard

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Speaker 1: can play tackle in college football. Yeah, a first round

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Speaker 1: center could play tackle in college football. And it fels

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Speaker 1: different now. I think it's real, but I think you're

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Speaker 1: right that it's very overstated. It is. You give me

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Speaker 1: a that's great at one, it's a nice buzzword. It's

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Speaker 1: a nice buzzword to make us feel good about a player. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I agree with that. SR wants to know if you recall,

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Speaker 1: their first six picks were all on defense. Last year,

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Speaker 1: they've primarily focused on the defensive side of the ball

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Speaker 1: and free agency this year. Are we seeing them tip

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Speaker 1: their hand for a very offensive heavy draft and we're

636
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 1: sitting here given a lot of breath to offensive line

637
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Speaker 1: and receiver. So it makes me wonder if maybe yes,

638
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Speaker 1: I think in the first two rounds, yes, but it's

639
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: still wide open. I don't think you're gonna see the

640
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 1: first six picks were all off the board and it's

641
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 1: all gonna be on the offensive side of the football

642
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: because of the will that too. But you look at

643
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 1: the value of where this draft lines up, and it

644
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 1: lines up value wise at offensive line and wide receiver.

645
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Speaker 1: So why would you not take advantage of that by

646
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Speaker 1: taking either one of those positions in the first two rounds.

647
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Speaker 1: I think if you took it to the extreme of

648
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Speaker 1: like trying to make the case of how offensive. Could

649
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 1: it be if the top two guards were gone and

650
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 1: Tyler Linderbaum wasn't and they liked him. They could take

651
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 1: a center in the first round. They could take a

652
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: guard in the second round, they could take a receiver

653
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Speaker 1: in the third round, and maybe where they take a

654
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Speaker 1: tackle or tight end in the fourth round, like it

655
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 1: could happen. I would bet three of their first four

656
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 1: picks or offense. I think I completely agree. I would

657
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 1: put money on that. Really, if you look at a

658
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 1: depth chart, the only position and again I'm not saying

659
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 1: it's like rock solid, but the only position that I'm

660
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: looking at on defense where I'm like, oh, I don't

661
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 1: I don't know if you want to play a game

662
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: with what you got here linebacker, linebacker probably linebacker sort

663
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 1: Other than that, I think you can roll the ball

664
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Speaker 1: out and play football with the rest of what you

665
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 1: have on defense, unless you had injuries. It said, well,

666
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Speaker 1: I'm a quambo, I guess technically is your fourth safety? Yea,

667
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 1: they still can do it. I think they're in a

668
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 1: situation right now too that if I'm Jerry Jones, I

669
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: walk in that draft and say, listen, you m f first,

670
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 1: I don't want to hear anything about offensive players unlisten

671
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,359
Speaker 1: helps Dak okay. And you tell me, you guys line

672
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 1: this thing up however you want to do it. But

673
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 1: if it doesn't help Dak, I don't want to hear

674
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 1: about it, okay. And if you want to fight the

675
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 1: defense on players, it better help Dak okay. So to me,

676
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 1: I just think that that that you know Quinn is

677
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 1: going to I don't want Dan Quinn to like do

678
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,319
Speaker 1: what Rod Marinelli did and roll over on some guys. Yeah,

679
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,839
Speaker 1: oh no, we Zeke's fine, Yeah it was. Zeke will

680
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 1: help us, you know. No, I want Dan fighting for

681
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,479
Speaker 1: defensive players. It's hard. I mean, I get what you're saying,

682
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 1: but I trust the defensive side finding players better than

683
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,840
Speaker 1: I do this offensive side. Right now, Robby Ironelly didn't

684
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 1: roll over very often, like he got He rolled over

685
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 1: on a love he did he but he rolled over

686
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 1: on the runner. He did on ramsey Y and the

687
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 1: guys that he he could kind of push away, or

688
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: the guys that he already had in the room. He

689
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 1: totally rolled over. Rod Marinelli was a beast, that man.

690
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 1: While we were doing live coverage of the draft, oh

691
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 1: one of them, we went to break and he goes,

692
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 1: come with me, man, and I said, coach, we have

693
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 1: literally four minutes and he's like, come quick, all right. Yeah,

694
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 1: he wanted to take us to his office to show

695
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:15,800
Speaker 1: us a picture of his high school coach. He said, No,

696
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: Rod Murnoi is an awesome man. I'm not even but

697
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 1: I'm just saying though, if you're if you're talking about

698
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 1: what goes on in a war room, yeah, these coaches

699
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 1: have influence. Oh of course, you know, And that's why

700
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 1: I'm scared about the Joe Philmin thing because to me,

701
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 1: he moved on from Lyle Collins. Yeah, he moved on

702
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,359
Speaker 1: to Thinking and Steel played well for eight games last year.

703
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 1: He really did? You won like six games of him playing. Yeah,

704
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 1: So I mean to me that that says something. But

705
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: you know, I'm I'm like a Sam Jerry Jones. If

706
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 1: you're talking about offensive guys, it better help number four. Well,

707
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 1: I was just going to ask to back end off

708
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 1: of that. Do you think that it's going to be

709
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 1: offensive heavy then early on? No? I just get I mean,

710
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 1: you know, I could say, I think you're you have

711
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,080
Speaker 1: to keep an open especially when you're picking. You have

712
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 1: to keep an open mind about it. But to me.

713
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 1: Like I said, if you start talking about a first

714
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,320
Speaker 1: round wide receiver, or if you start talking about a guard,

715
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 1: you start talking about you know, the various a tackle whoever,

716
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: it better be with the mind of this guy's going

717
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 1: to plug in. He's going to play and he is

718
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,280
Speaker 1: going to be a difference maker. I don't have time

719
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: for my quarterback to waste another year for development, because

720
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 1: if it doesn't work out for him here next year,

721
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have a whole new coaching staff again. Probably

722
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 1: and now and now now, the clock is really ticking

723
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 1: on Dak Prescott, whether you really want to keep him around.

724
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 1: Can we get Brian in the war room? Can we

725
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 1: figure it out? He spent time there. I'm just saying that,

726
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 1: but this year he's got it right. Brian doesn't have

727
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 1: a filter, and sometimes you have to have a filter

728
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 1: and being well, sir, if that's what you want to do.

729
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 1: And Brian's like that guy can't play, that you shouldn't.

730
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 1: You're gonna pick him. He can't play. I just want

731
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 1: you to know, so when you're firing people at the

732
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 1: end of the year, remember I told you that dude

733
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 1: can't blokay. Take me behind the curtain. Real quick, how

734
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 1: often in your years in the Cowboys war room did

735
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones get like fear of God, like listen you

736
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 1: m efforts like how often? Oh it happened? No, in

737
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 1: the meeting, like how often? Oh often? Often? Yeah? He

738
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,760
Speaker 1: you know, the whole thing. Jerry was really good at listening.

739
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 1: But Jerry also like listen, hear you, you know, and

740
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 1: we were all and yes, sir, you know, I mean attention,

741
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 1: you know, hop two you know. But that's it. But

742
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 1: that's what a general manager does. General manager walks in

743
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,240
Speaker 1: there and says, listen, I don't want to hear crap

744
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 1: about this guy. And you know, when you get scouts

745
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: at waiver on guys, I don't know, man, I no,

746
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 1: I don't have time for you waivering on this guy.

747
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,879
Speaker 1: Mike Zimmer wavered on. One day, Mike Zimmer is like, yeah,

748
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 1: I like this guy at this defensive back. I like him.

749
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,399
Speaker 1: I like him. Next day comes and I'm not so sure.

750
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 1: I look at Mike and go, what the hell are

751
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,879
Speaker 1: you doing? I go, you got these scouts. They don't

752
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 1: know what you're thinking right now. This is not going

753
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 1: to do us any good. And he's like, well, I'm

754
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:02,800
Speaker 1: just not sure. I'm like, you're talking to people on

755
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,840
Speaker 1: the phone instead of trusting your own damn eyes. And

756
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 1: that's the problem. See to me, if it's not if

757
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 1: it's not helping. We're trying to evaluate this quarterback really

758
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 1: right now. I mean it's going into year seven, yea,

759
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 1: And the and the landscape of what we've seen right

760
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 1: now in football is we're moving on from quarterbacks. If

761
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 1: you can't play, Hey, Matt Ryan, goodbye. You know, you know,

762
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 1: all these quarterbacks are kind of moving along. Yeah, you

763
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:28,359
Speaker 1: know what I mean. It's that's what I'm saying. We're

764
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 1: in an era now where people used to be just

765
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 1: terrified of losing their quarterbacks, and now it's like a nope,

766
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 1: poor Matt Ry one hundred years you try to just

767
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 1: run me out of town and back to me to

768
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 1: tell me you love me again. Atlanta, Atlanta is taking

769
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:47,399
Speaker 1: a forty million dollar cap hit. Think about that. That's

770
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 1: what these people think about these quarterbacks. Sometimes. I just

771
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 1: can't believe they didn't rip the vand aid off last year.

772
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 1: I structured him then traded him. I don't know if

773
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 1: that last time we think the catboy has problems, Oh

774
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 1: my god, I think that last six minutes was probably

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00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 1: the closest we've gotten to like Brian in office versus

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00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,879
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Speaker 1: my favorite thing to talk about in the draft. I

827
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 1: just love subverting the expectations, like what's that board mean? Uh?

828
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:15,439
Speaker 1: Flipping them on their head? Okay, yeah, you're welcome Apple

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Speaker 1: Christian changing um. By the way, you appreciate the fact

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Speaker 1: you used to edit my work, right yeah, oh yeah yeah.

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Speaker 1: I started doing some writing things and I watched all

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Speaker 1: and it was on a Google doc and I was

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Speaker 1: just like, man, that's a lot of work. Great job, Brian.

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Speaker 1: Brian notebook used to be like a forty minute or

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Speaker 1: Oh which, and I don't I don't want you to

844
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 1: sit on the fence either. Like I've got one a

845
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 1: guy that you absolutely don't think will be there, Trayvon Walker, Georgia. Okay, yeah,

846
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:17,399
Speaker 1: go that. I would love that to happen. I don't

847
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,320
Speaker 1: think he's gonna end up falling. Ultra athletic edge rusher.

848
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: He would be your starter day one. His length, his

849
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 1: traits I mean powerful, clutch plays, I mean played. He

850
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 1: was probably one of the ring leaders, you could call

851
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 1: him a ring leader of that Georgia defense. If he

852
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 1: were to somehow fall to twenty four, that'd be one

853
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 1: of those guys. I would run a half marathon for

854
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: I know that's what you're trying to do. Now, that's

855
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 1: one of those guys. I would achieve a half marathon.

856
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 1: I won't use the word run. I will achieve a

857
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:53,919
Speaker 1: half marathon over a span of four days. So however

858
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 1: many miles it is a day to add up to

859
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 1: a half marathon, three and a half, it's not that bad, Okay,

860
00:43:57,760 --> 00:43:59,800
Speaker 1: So four straight five days, yeah, over a period of

861
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:04,320
Speaker 1: eight days, I will achieve a half marathon. If Garrett

862
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 1: Wilson makes it to twenty four and gets picked by

863
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, he's my top wide receiver. But I have

864
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 1: no idea the order these wide receivers are going to

865
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,879
Speaker 1: go in. Drake London at USC could be the first

866
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:19,399
Speaker 1: receiver off the board. Jamison Williams Alabama, I think could

867
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 1: be the top receiver off the board. It's been it's

868
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 1: sort of been our narrative this whole time that like

869
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 1: Garrett Wilson is on a rung of his own, and

870
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 1: he's not right, he's and we are not or the

871
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 1: world does not agree that he's wide receiver. One some do,

872
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 1: some don't. It depends. You can check between Daniel Jeremiah

873
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:44,800
Speaker 1: and Dane Brugler and Kiper and McShay. Like Garrett Wilson

874
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 1: is not consensus wide receiver one, and if he were available,

875
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 1: he would be my eight day half marathon guy because

876
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 1: I just I love the way he plays. I think

877
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 1: today's NFL is about creating separation and what can you

878
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:00,839
Speaker 1: do after the catch? And I think the he does

879
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 1: both of those very well explosive movements get the ball

880
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:06,839
Speaker 1: in his hands and watch him work after the catch.

881
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,839
Speaker 1: Garrett Wilson at twenty four would be my party with all,

882
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 1: which I love your answer, Kyle. I think we know,

883
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 1: but I think we both agreed. I beat him just well.

884
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 1: I just don't. I can't imagine a scenario where Walker falls,

885
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 1: and I don't think I agree. I can't. That's why

886
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,320
Speaker 1: I said it. You told me who you are certain

887
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 1: follow Hutchinson. You did exactly what I wanted you to do.

888
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 1: My I think I also don't think Garrett Wilson will

889
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 1: be there at twenty four, but I think it's a

890
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 1: little more realistic the scenario that Jeff is painting. There

891
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 1: was a time in my life that I believe that

892
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 1: Trevor Penning was going to be there to tackle from

893
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:44,879
Speaker 1: northern Iowa. It's no way in hell, now, really, no way.

894
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,879
Speaker 1: Your answer should be, Charles Cross, Well, I mean, there's

895
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:51,399
Speaker 1: a decent chance he's OT four and he's your OT one. Yeah,

896
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:55,840
Speaker 1: but I just have Yeah, but my my, I just

897
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 1: knew that those three guys weren't going to be. I

898
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 1: knew all that the tackles were not going to be.

899
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 1: But there was a time because Raymond, the kid from

900
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:07,839
Speaker 1: Central Michigan, Central Michigan, a lot of people mocking. They

901
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 1: send me those mocks and they mock him. I'm not

902
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 1: fired up for him. I'm not as fired they picked him.

903
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 1: If they picked him at twenty four, I'd be devastated.

904
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 1: I would be hurt. And I'm seeing him being being

905
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 1: locked in the first round a lot, a lot. I

906
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 1: don't know if I would be to that point devastated.

907
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 1: Would I would rather have somebody else? I would flip

908
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:27,879
Speaker 1: to the Bengals. I would follow Lyle to the bank.

909
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 1: I mean, you've got one guy already in that the baby.

910
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:33,800
Speaker 1: I just kind of feel like though that that that

911
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,319
Speaker 1: Penning was a guy that maybe that if it got

912
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:38,840
Speaker 1: kind of wiped out that you're thinking, man, there is

913
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 1: a mean, big, nasty tackle. And I really really liked

914
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 1: him with the possibility when Lyle Collins was still here

915
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 1: and then moving Lyle Collins, and then people are saying, well,

916
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 1: he can't bend well, Lyle Collins can't bend maybe the

917
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 1: hips giving him a little bit of a problem, and

918
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 1: he can't bend the play guard. But I you know,

919
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:59,359
Speaker 1: that would be and another one would be a name

920
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 1: and I thought might not be there that or that

921
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 1: probably won't be there that I thought would be there

922
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 1: was Chris a Lobby. I really thought that Chris A

923
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 1: Lobby would be. I think there's a chance that he

924
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 1: might go ahead of Burks from Arkansas. I think this

925
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 1: wide receiver tandems. I mean the first five Jamison Williams,

926
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:20,240
Speaker 1: Treylon Burks. I love James Williamson. I do too, Drake London,

927
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 1: Chris A Lobby. Those are my five guys in order,

928
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 1: and that's who was your sky more of course, No, okay,

929
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 1: but those five guys are completely interchangeable, and wherever they

930
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: end up going, there's probably gonna be two of those

931
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 1: five that are there at twenty four? Is there and

932
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 1: you know, my son Bennett asked me a question the

933
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 1: other day about this about is there a chance that

934
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:44,359
Speaker 1: Stingley does get to twenty four? Chance? Yeah? Chance, yes,

935
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 1: I just five between five and ten percent. Ask I

936
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 1: don't get you got to turn the card and don't

937
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 1: you Yes? Oh if if it had and our LSU bias,

938
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 1: I mean I'm down on Derek Stingley, like the way

939
00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 1: that his career went at LSU. Yeah, just there again,

940
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:04,360
Speaker 1: we're talking about a guy who originally was like a

941
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 1: top five prospects who could be in play at twenty four. Like,

942
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 1: there's enough cause for concern there. I'm not sitting here

943
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 1: trying to convince anybody that he's the second coming, but

944
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 1: the traits at twenty four rare, Like you don't get

945
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 1: a shot at at that type of guy at twenty

946
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 1: four very often. I just think it's worth the risk.

947
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 1: Is there an edge guy you would throw in there,

948
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 1: like I would throw in Carloftis, George karl offtis to Purdue.

949
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 1: But I think what happened with the Ojabo injury is

950
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 1: that probably broke your ability to get one of the

951
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:38,880
Speaker 1: top edges to twenty four. I think all four of

952
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 1: those guys are gone. Depending four budgets, Tim, I think

953
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 1: depending on what happens with Jermaine Johnson. And I'm gonna

954
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:48,320
Speaker 1: say this, there might be some people that like this

955
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 1: Mofi kid from Minnesota, maybe two in the second or

956
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 1: third round. Well he Now, I I'm not saying you.

957
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, no, he's He's there's people that looks

958
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:01,800
Speaker 1: people legitmly talking about out him as a first round player.

959
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:04,799
Speaker 1: I'm looking at a and again, not like nobody's mock

960
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:07,319
Speaker 1: is gospel at all, but I'm looking at a mock

961
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 1: from a big publication that has him going thirtieth. Overall,

962
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 1: it's definitely a thing, and I loved it because all

963
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:16,840
Speaker 1: this is is just people taking what they're hearing. I mean,

964
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:19,280
Speaker 1: I know we all watch the tape and do the homework,

965
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:22,279
Speaker 1: but when you're trying to look smart in a mock,

966
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:25,320
Speaker 1: you're just taking what you're hearing from people versus what

967
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 1: teams might need and trying to make an educated guest.

968
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 1: So for boy Mafates to suddenly be climbing like this,

969
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 1: it's because somebody out there in the league thinks that

970
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:37,360
Speaker 1: highly of him, right, Yeah, I think that now. And

971
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 1: to Jeff's point though, with a Jobo, with that thing

972
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 1: him being out, everybody moves up a slot. Now, you

973
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 1: know all these guys like, okay, well there and there

974
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 1: were We've talked about this in the show for weeks

975
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 1: that that there were a lot of questions about him

976
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 1: as a first round guy. You know, there's he hadn't

977
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:57,280
Speaker 1: played a lot of football, you know in the background,

978
00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:59,799
Speaker 1: all these things like that Jobo. Yeah, I mean they

979
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 1: literally hit him on rundowns, like they took him off

980
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:04,360
Speaker 1: the field. Yeah. Yeah, So, I mean you know that

981
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 1: that's one of those ones where you're thinking, boy, this

982
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 1: is this one's got a chance to be really as

983
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 1: they used to say, the boom er bust. I know,

984
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 1: at one point you had said that your friends were

985
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 1: saying Jermaine Johnson might have been a little bit higher,

986
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 1: yeah than me anticipated. Yeah, the scouts were seeing that

987
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 1: the media scouts were a little too high on Jermaine Johnson.

988
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 1: Is that flip with Ojabo's news now, Oh no, I

989
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 1: kind of feel like that I wouldn't move Jermaine Johnson

990
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:32,320
Speaker 1: and the fact that guy he transferred from Georgia and

991
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 1: where every Georgia film you're thrown I was watching Georgia,

992
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:37,839
Speaker 1: was watching the Kentucky Center, you know, the other night,

993
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 1: and and I and I, and all of a sudden,

994
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:43,799
Speaker 1: all you see is why yeah Fortner. Yeah, And I'm

995
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 1: like everything, he's trying to block these Georgia guys and

996
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 1: he's doing his best, you know. I mean when he

997
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 1: plays Missouri, he's really good. But he was playing against George.

998
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 1: It's like hold on your rear, you know, kind of

999
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:56,400
Speaker 1: the thing for first round pick. Yeah, but that's what

1000
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:58,800
Speaker 1: I'm saying that that was a generational defense. But but

1001
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 1: that's where you like Jermain Johnson was part of that

1002
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 1: at one time. You kind of get it, like, you know,

1003
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:06,839
Speaker 1: if he was at Georgia, we'd probably be talking about

1004
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 1: him as him Walker, you know, that kind of a thing.

1005
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 1: I mean, he's that good of a player. I wouldn't.

1006
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 1: I think the I think the thing the scouts told

1007
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 1: you about the meet, you know, you media scouts haven't

1008
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 1: too high. I think there's a lot of guys that

1009
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 1: are saying, well, you media scouts probably had him right.

1010
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 1: I get in tough twenty, Yeah, maybe a top twenty

1011
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:26,880
Speaker 1: pick along a similar line. It's it's kind of the

1012
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 1: opposite instead of guys that we don't think we'll be there.

1013
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:33,879
Speaker 1: I couldn't help but notice mcshaye and Kiper put out

1014
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 1: their latest mock this Morning Goodness Ration, which how is

1015
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 1: the crust? Do you like me, Joe? If you haven't,

1016
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:45,400
Speaker 1: if you haven't seen the pick for the Cowboys in

1017
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 1: this particular mock, is Tyler Smith out of Tulsa? That

1018
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 1: would be shocking. Y'all's reactions tell me everything that maybe

1019
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 1: at fifty six that'd be shocking, definitely in the third

1020
00:51:56,400 --> 00:52:00,280
Speaker 1: see what's happening is these are hints because the first

1021
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 1: time I saw Tyler Smith, the Tulsa tackle listed as

1022
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:06,920
Speaker 1: a top fifty player was Daniel Jeremiah NFL. Yeah, he

1023
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 1: had him as like number twenty late twenties or thirty

1024
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 1: or something like that. And when you see something like

1025
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 1: that that you're not seeing elsewhere, it comes from somewhere,

1026
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:16,719
Speaker 1: and so you're raised an I run and go, maybe

1027
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 1: Tyler Smith's gonna be a first round offensive tackle if

1028
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 1: the Cowboys make that pick. Like there's different ways to

1029
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 1: do the draft show, like talking about what's realistic and

1030
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 1: what they might do. And I know, Dave, that's kind

1031
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 1: of the lane that you existed right where I try to.

1032
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 1: I exist in the lane of I watched the players.

1033
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:33,879
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna give you what I think about them.

1034
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 1: If they take Tyler Smith in the first round, that'll

1035
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 1: be a bad pick. Tell me, tell me more about

1036
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 1: him as a player. I mean, we've talked about him before.

1037
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 1: I don't care. We have to do two of these

1038
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 1: a week. He doesn't have very good technique overall as

1039
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 1: a blocker. When you watch him play, I mean, he's

1040
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:48,719
Speaker 1: more about trying to bully you and beat you up

1041
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 1: than anything. He catches a lot of blocks, too, There's

1042
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:53,839
Speaker 1: nothing about the punch and the drive and the things

1043
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:56,759
Speaker 1: like that when you associate with offensive lineman. He's more

1044
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:58,920
Speaker 1: of a He'll take the blow and then trying to

1045
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 1: kind of rustle with you and stuff like that. And

1046
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:03,400
Speaker 1: you know that's the thing. I mean, he puts himself

1047
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 1: in some bad body positions when you watch him, you

1048
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 1: know you think that you think that Terence Steal at

1049
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 1: times like turns into like hopping on one leg and

1050
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 1: trying to do that. This guy's three twenty four pounds

1051
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:18,319
Speaker 1: and people move him around like that. But that's that's

1052
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 1: the problem I have. I think he's just tiding of

1053
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 1: a grab and hold on to his guy instead of

1054
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 1: a guy that's just moving people out of the way.

1055
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:26,919
Speaker 1: I think you have to teach him to play offensive tackle. Yeah,

1056
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 1: I think you have to rebuild him literally from the

1057
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 1: ground up. But I think he played tackle at Tulsa.

1058
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:34,320
Speaker 1: But you have to re teach him. I mean in

1059
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 1: terms of I would probably put him in a guard

1060
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 1: I just mean in terms of he doesn't do anything right. Yeah,

1061
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:42,879
Speaker 1: Like his punches don't land, his feet and his hands

1062
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 1: don't work together, the bass doesn't work even though he

1063
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 1: is strong enough. So like what he is is a

1064
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 1: guy that people are gonna be like, well, he's big

1065
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 1: enough and he's athletic enough. Now we have to teach him.

1066
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 1: So I was about to say, when you when you

1067
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 1: hear about so this guy just sounds incredibly raw. When

1068
00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 1: you hear about these types of players, it's usually because

1069
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:01,920
Speaker 1: they're super freak athletes and you're just banking on them

1070
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:04,320
Speaker 1: putting it together. Is he in that? You do? We

1071
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 1: think he's in that caliber of athlete. Alete, He's he's strong,

1072
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:11,400
Speaker 1: he's got strength, but in a lot of times he

1073
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:13,279
Speaker 1: relied on his strength to get him out of that

1074
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 1: trouble to get him out of the poor hand placement

1075
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:18,799
Speaker 1: and the poor footwork and things like that. It's one

1076
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 1: of the reasons why he ended up at Tulsa and

1077
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:23,320
Speaker 1: not at an SEC school along the way. It's because

1078
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 1: he has the strength to be a Division one into

1079
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 1: pro caliber backup sort of deal. But if he's going

1080
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 1: to be a pro starter, you're gonna need to reteach

1081
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 1: him quite a bit. Just an example, just going through

1082
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:39,360
Speaker 1: my notes here, of the two of the three games

1083
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 1: I watched, he had three holding penalties, and that just

1084
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:43,480
Speaker 1: shows you when he have holding pace, what do we

1085
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:47,239
Speaker 1: associate with Connor Williams. We associate bad body position, getting

1086
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:50,600
Speaker 1: off balance. Yeah, that's when you have to holdation. You

1087
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 1: have to yeah, and you don't want to get your

1088
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:54,400
Speaker 1: quarterback hit. So if you're gonna have a bunch of

1089
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:57,400
Speaker 1: holding penalties because of bad body position, how you're going

1090
00:54:57,440 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 1: to play in the NFL. I mean, I'm watching play

1091
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 1: against Ohio State, No Clona State, and people like that

1092
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 1: quality competition. Those guys we we you know, we're evaluating them,

1093
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 1: and I'm looking at him, going, man, he's always on

1094
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 1: the edge of holding, you know, and maybe he grows

1095
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 1: out of that, but the fact that he likes to

1096
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:18,440
Speaker 1: catch blocks all day, I'm not into that. Yep. Interesting

1097
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 1: very and no, I mean when when Kiper made the

1098
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 1: pick and I saw it, I went man, not for me?

1099
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 1: Not for me. I mean there's there's probably seven other

1100
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:30,320
Speaker 1: guys I would rather have than that. I just washed.

1101
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:37,760
Speaker 1: I do, Okay, I don't want but even but rats

1102
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 1: mock drafts this time of year. I mean, we're all

1103
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:43,399
Speaker 1: doing these mock drafts and we're you know, point four

1104
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:45,719
Speaker 1: point zero, and you're like, you're just trying to throw

1105
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 1: things at areas. But I will say, and like, the

1106
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:52,320
Speaker 1: draft industry has come so far since mel Kiper was

1107
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 1: like the guy. But Kiper, mcshaye, Dane, Jeremiah, like we

1108
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 1: just said this when Bucky. When one of those guys

1109
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:04,880
Speaker 1: throws a name that isn't in the normal list, my

1110
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 1: ears perk up because two of them now, because Jeremiah

1111
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 1: has him ranked high and now and now Kuiper put

1112
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:11,680
Speaker 1: him in a foot in first round. Why Kiper did say,

1113
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 1: I read the description of it, and he mentioned, like, well,

1114
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 1: in another option here would be Zion Johnson, who goes

1115
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:19,400
Speaker 1: like two picks later for him. So just pretend they

1116
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:21,400
Speaker 1: picked the right guy. I just think it's important to

1117
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:23,839
Speaker 1: note because again, that's how we started this whole draft

1118
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:26,279
Speaker 1: class in the first place. Was like, beauty's going to

1119
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:28,279
Speaker 1: be in the eye of the beholder from about pick

1120
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 1: sixteen and the rest of the way. Yep. You know.

1121
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:34,160
Speaker 1: So a guy that we at this table collectively think

1122
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:37,439
Speaker 1: of as pick forty five could be picked twenty four

1123
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:40,319
Speaker 1: and it shouldn't shock us, even though it probably would

1124
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:42,880
Speaker 1: in the moment. Well, you remember I brought up Tyler

1125
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 1: Smith just from hearing stuff at the Combine too. One

1126
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 1: of the second show with Dane we had brought up

1127
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 1: Tyler Smith as an option. But when I brought him up,

1128
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 1: I wasn't talking about twenty four. I was talking about

1129
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:55,319
Speaker 1: fifty six. Yeah, I was trying to get get him

1130
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:57,439
Speaker 1: to fifty six and maybe fall a little bit, maybe

1131
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:00,719
Speaker 1: they didn't take a tackle in the first round. Now

1132
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:05,480
Speaker 1: at twenty four, I would be relatively disappointed, real relatively,

1133
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:07,960
Speaker 1: I mean completely Verry, Yeah, so did you try to

1134
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 1: be nice about it? Yeah? I'm trying to be nice.

1135
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 1: You don't have a nice thing like you could go,

1136
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 1: You could go a long way towards just packaging your

1137
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:18,600
Speaker 1: mean stuff. A little bit nicer, right, I'm trying to

1138
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 1: figure that out. Yeah, but people also look at me

1139
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 1: and they're like, oh, you're soft, and that's not so. Yeah.

1140
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 1: I don't think of you a soft diplomat. I appreciate

1141
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 1: a diplomatic is a good way. Diplomatic doesn't mean soft.

1142
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 1: Real quick, before we get out of here, I did

1143
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 1: Brian and Kyle somebody not me, because you know you

1144
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 1: told me, you told me off the air you hadn't

1145
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:41,280
Speaker 1: watched him yet, Jeff, So why don't you just let

1146
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:43,600
Speaker 1: me do the diplomatic stuff. Why don't you just let

1147
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 1: me make an offhand comment on purpose? And then can

1148
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 1: we talk about Alec Lindstrom really quickly? Sure, not as

1149
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 1: like a first round prospect, but I feel like when

1150
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:56,040
Speaker 1: you talk about Sinners, everybody talks about linder Bomb a lot,

1151
00:57:56,080 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 1: but never him. I kind of feel like Luke Fortner

1152
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 1: from Kentucky's a better play, you know, And I picked

1153
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 1: up Luke just late here the last couple of days.

1154
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:07,200
Speaker 1: But you know, when you talk about Alec Lundstrom, I

1155
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:09,440
Speaker 1: mean he's a left handed center, which we saw with

1156
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:11,720
Speaker 1: Creed Humphrey last year. So it's kind of weird when

1157
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 1: you watch tape and you see the left handed center.

1158
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 1: He didn't have the size, but the footwork and stuff,

1159
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 1: I really really like. I think this guy he's probably

1160
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:21,320
Speaker 1: not gonna I don't think he tested particularly well, but

1161
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:23,680
Speaker 1: you watch him on tape that he does have the

1162
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 1: ability to kind of, you know, hook up on his

1163
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:28,560
Speaker 1: guy and he can't sustain his block. The toughness, I

1164
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:31,760
Speaker 1: thought the point of attack was really really good. I

1165
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 1: saw him reaching wide techniques and what I mean wide

1166
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:36,400
Speaker 1: like the ones and the threes on the outside. You mean,

1167
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 1: he was able to get his head across a couple

1168
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:40,840
Speaker 1: of different times. But I just don't think he you know,

1169
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 1: I don't think he has the overall power to really

1170
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:47,960
Speaker 1: keep somebody stalemated at the line. And so you know

1171
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 1: that's something that that you kind of need to keep

1172
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 1: an eye on. Again. I once I watched the Kentucky guy,

1173
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 1: I said, okay, Alec, you're a little bit further down,

1174
00:58:57,120 --> 00:58:58,680
Speaker 1: you know, and this is where you know I'm looking.

1175
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:03,600
Speaker 1: A matter of fact, I put Fortner over Parm from Memphis,

1176
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:06,600
Speaker 1: who is a projection at the at the guard spot.

1177
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 1: Who's going to project from guards to center. Yeah, I've

1178
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 1: got Parm above him. I've got Donovan West out of

1179
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 1: Arizona State above him. I think Lenstrom's a good player, uh,

1180
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:19,120
Speaker 1: and his jumps were okay, but like you said, his

1181
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:21,800
Speaker 1: running was not great at the combine. He's also got

1182
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:23,880
Speaker 1: short arms, and that's one thing that I'm I'm not

1183
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 1: normally maybe our number our number one center has short

1184
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:31,400
Speaker 1: arms to right, but the number one center dominates his

1185
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:34,440
Speaker 1: film and Lyndstrom does not dominant. That's true by any means.

1186
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:37,560
Speaker 1: That's true. You can watch him play against Clemson and

1187
00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:40,600
Speaker 1: they've got bigger, heavier inside guys and he doesn't get

1188
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:43,760
Speaker 1: beat up, which gave me encouragement that like, Okay, here's

1189
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 1: a guy that's you know, he's not you know if

1190
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 1: you struggle, like I say, Fortner playing against Georgia, there

1191
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:50,920
Speaker 1: were some really good reps and they're one's like oh

1192
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:53,640
Speaker 1: look out, you know, oh Jim, you know, like Tony

1193
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:57,560
Speaker 1: Romo doing oh Jim. But you know, other than that though,

1194
00:59:57,560 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 1: I mean, like I said, I you know Lenstrom, he

1195
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:02,080
Speaker 1: he comes from a long line of NFL players too.

1196
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:04,120
Speaker 1: His fam mother right, Yeah, he's got some he's and

1197
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:05,760
Speaker 1: I think Dad, I think they've got a lot of

1198
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:08,320
Speaker 1: uncles and stuff that played as well. Fights. I will

1199
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:10,600
Speaker 1: give him that he fights. This was a fun hour

1200
01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:12,240
Speaker 1: of radio. Guys. What do you say We do it

1201
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:16,120
Speaker 1: again on Thursday, So let's do it for Jeff Brian

1202
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:19,880
Speaker 1: shut up, Jeff. See Kyle, I'm Dave. Thanks for listening

1203
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 1: to the Draft Show. We'll talk to y'all next time.

1204
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:25,720
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1205
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:28,000
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