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Speaker 2: Good morning, sweet world, and welcome to the Nodunks podcast

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Speaker 1: We're still here.

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Speaker 2: Eastern Conference over unders, we did that on Monday. Western

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Speaker 2: Conference over unders we did that on Tuesday, going through

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Speaker 1: Do you know any serious regrets.

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Speaker 2: I'm getting some blowback from my Raptors friends doing a

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Speaker 1: Excellent. That's it. It hurts the go under on your

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Speaker 1: regretting going over on the polls. So it works both, liys.

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Speaker 2: That's right, that's right, all right. On today's podcast, though,

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Speaker 2: we are looking at NBA Awards, we're making our predictions.

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Speaker 2: We got a lot to do because we're even including

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Speaker 2: the Clutch Player of the Year. Remember that that's a

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Speaker 2: coming by way a bet MGMR odds. Jokic is the

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Speaker 1: Great question. I'm glad you included the A for Yannis

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Speaker 2: I'll go honest, you go Tatum. Dark horse pick further

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Speaker 2: Sure, I think those other guys on that first list

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Speaker 1: Else and be no way. I'm with you on that.

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Speaker 2: I can't see that happening anyone else you want to

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Speaker 1: We're talking then A plus two thousand. Sure. The the

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's move on to Most Improved Player twenty three

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Speaker 2: twenty four that MGM has the odds like this Mikal

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Speaker 1: I mean, Mihale Bridges averaged twenty six a game with

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Speaker 2: So you're saying he almost doesn't need to improve on

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Speaker 2: and maybe they surprise, you know, some people out there

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Speaker 1: Or at least challenging for five hundred. I don't even

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Speaker 1: It's not dissimilar to Larry Markinen winning it last year

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Speaker 2: Six is really good. Okay, So you like him as

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Speaker 1: Do you like him? Do it?

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Speaker 1: I like him as the favorite, But he wouldn't be

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Speaker 1: that's tough. But I could see Franz getting to twenty

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Speaker 2: Okay, I like that. That's a great one. I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: go with Desmond Bean at plus three thousand as as

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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty two, Ja Morant one Most Improved, and

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Speaker 2: if I remember correctly, he gifted the trophy the hardware two.

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Speaker 2: So I like the narrative there with no jot if

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Speaker 2: It feels like you almost got to jump to the

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Speaker 2: Bain winning this. But it would be funny if you

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Speaker 2: Would he keep both? Would he give his MIP to

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Speaker 1: As my I think that's a solid pick and I

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Speaker 1: of the recent sysin Baine wins it because you're in

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right there on the main anyone else, because this

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Speaker 2: Because you can just like you can pick, you can

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Speaker 2: this is the year the breakout for this player. He'll

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Speaker 2: be in the running for MIP. Is there anyone else

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Speaker 1: I think Austin Reeves is gonna have a solid narrative here.

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Speaker 1: He's probably gonna be starting. His points are gonna go up,

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Speaker 1: and he's gonna look good playing alongside Lebron and a

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Speaker 1: d Jonathan Kuminga. I think if you're judging based solely

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Speaker 1: The Warriors need something from their young guys, and Kuminga

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Speaker 1: I know this sounds crazy, skeets, Okay, what about Dylan

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Speaker 2: WHOA that sets a little too crazy?

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Speaker 1: Okay, strike it from the record. Wow, Wow, No, No,

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Speaker 1: I was totally he was going to China. Oh, this

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Speaker 1: You'll really lean into his vibe. A lot of other

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Speaker 2: Yeah. There's a lot of guys okay, But ultimately for

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Sorry I forgotten there, and I'm gonna go Desmond Baine

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Speaker 2: sixth Man of the Year. The odds for this one

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Speaker 2: Emmanuel Quickly plus seven hundred on the Knicks, Derek White

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Speaker 1: Well I picked Spencer did into it witty last year

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Speaker 1: going skeets six Man of the year. The candidates aren't

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Speaker 1: I kind of lean Al Horford. He came off the

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Speaker 1: He's still a good player. I think he will probably

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Speaker 1: He's like a sixth starter. He's gonna close a lot

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Speaker 1: Big guys don't win six Man of the Year all

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Speaker 1: So maybe there's a pathway here for Al Horford to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Horford did come off the bench in a preseason game.

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Speaker 2: Like if they really lean into that and lock that

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Speaker 2: His numbers went up in the postseason. I think he

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Speaker 2: Because quickly the thing with him, his stats got a

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00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:16,600
Speaker 2: little inflated after the All Star break. He averaged twenty

433
00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:19,399
Speaker 2: one points per game, really really good. He started eleven

434
00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:21,480
Speaker 2: of those twenty two, so he split the difference there.

435
00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:24,719
Speaker 2: But what will be the percentage of him coming off

436
00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:28,400
Speaker 2: the bench? I guess I think he won't be starting.

437
00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:30,360
Speaker 2: You know, they got a lot of wings guards there.

438
00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:32,280
Speaker 2: I think he'll come off the bench more than not,

439
00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:34,560
Speaker 2: and then he'll start a bunch of games, which will

440
00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:36,320
Speaker 2: help his stats. But no one ever like does the

441
00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:39,440
Speaker 2: deep dive Like you said, dive, I'll go quickly, I'll

442
00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:42,400
Speaker 2: pick him. But yeah, you're right. You look at that list,

443
00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:44,440
Speaker 2: You're like, what are we doing with this?

444
00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:47,080
Speaker 1: Award? Happened to Williams?

445
00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:50,760
Speaker 2: We miss our lose and our Jamal's I guess when

446
00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:53,720
Speaker 2: it comes to this, uh, Norman Powell didn't He lead

447
00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:57,520
Speaker 2: the league in bench scoring, got some votes last year,

448
00:20:57,560 --> 00:20:59,520
Speaker 2: but ultimately didn't win it. It went to Brockden. Yeah.

449
00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:02,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I guess you know Norman Powell kind of

450
00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:05,040
Speaker 1: similar to Quickly in that, like he had to play

451
00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:07,720
Speaker 1: a ton because we've talked about a lot. The Clippers

452
00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:11,080
Speaker 1: have the liability issues, so he'll have a chance. I think,

453
00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:13,680
Speaker 1: what do you think about Chris Paul as a potential

454
00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:14,920
Speaker 1: six Man of the Year. I know it's going to

455
00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:16,600
Speaker 1: be different because he's gonna be starting early in the

456
00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:20,520
Speaker 1: year with Draymond recovering from injury. But I don't know.

457
00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:22,639
Speaker 1: You don't Wanton won a six Man of the Year

458
00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:23,360
Speaker 1: once upon a time.

459
00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:27,120
Speaker 2: You think Chris Paul is gonna have enough games where

460
00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:27,960
Speaker 2: he comes off the bench.

461
00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:28,400
Speaker 1: I don't.

462
00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:29,879
Speaker 2: This guy's never come off the bench in his.

463
00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:30,720
Speaker 1: Correct It's a good point.

464
00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:33,320
Speaker 2: First off twelve hundred plus games, he's never come off

465
00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:35,720
Speaker 2: the bench. You said the Draymond part there, Yeah, he's

466
00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:37,680
Speaker 2: going to be starting, at least what we've seen in preseason.

467
00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:40,920
Speaker 2: I mean, it's on the board. But I know I

468
00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,239
Speaker 2: would I wouldn't. I wouldn't go with him, all right?

469
00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:44,480
Speaker 1: How about nas Reed?

470
00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:49,280
Speaker 2: Look, I mean tough for a big guy. You said

471
00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:52,359
Speaker 2: it like I mean Bobby portis is really good in

472
00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:53,040
Speaker 2: his bench roll.

473
00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:54,760
Speaker 1: He made a good run at it last year. He did.

474
00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:58,399
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's difficult for the big guys. I mean,

475
00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:00,640
Speaker 2: who's like Montrez Harold comes to mind.

476
00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:02,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah a.

477
00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:04,280
Speaker 2: Couple of years ago, but now there's not many. No,

478
00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:06,679
Speaker 2: so no, I can't get I can't go with nas read.

479
00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:07,920
Speaker 1: All right, last one, I gotta ask you about what

480
00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:13,760
Speaker 1: about Spencer Dinwiddy? This is the air Probably not Ben Simmons.

481
00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,160
Speaker 1: He's been balling in preseason. Maybe he comes and starts

482
00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:19,760
Speaker 1: as the point guard. Spencer's got to come off the bench. Game.

483
00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:22,480
Speaker 2: How many games? What's yeah, what's the over under on

484
00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:25,160
Speaker 2: how many games Dinwoody even comes off the bench. I'd

485
00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:26,040
Speaker 2: set the line blow.

486
00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:28,040
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I don't know.

487
00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:31,840
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, that's probably even a dumb line. No,

488
00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:38,160
Speaker 2: don't take Dinwoodie again. I know you were thinking, but game.

489
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:40,760
Speaker 1: He's gonna come off the bench, and he did it.

490
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,800
Speaker 1: That was the problem. That was the main hole in

491
00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:45,920
Speaker 1: my sixth man of the aircase for Spencer did Widdy?

492
00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:46,840
Speaker 1: Because think he would have won it?

493
00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:50,280
Speaker 2: Wouldn't you sort of like to see a coach along

494
00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:54,120
Speaker 2: with the player, like, really screw with this award sure,

495
00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:59,920
Speaker 2: like Tatum, Yeah, honest, whoever Jamal Murray, like pick whatever,

496
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,320
Speaker 2: like great player. I just go to the coach and

497
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:05,159
Speaker 2: be like, dah, don't start me. Just sum me in

498
00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,720
Speaker 2: in the first thirty seconds, just so it shows up

499
00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:10,639
Speaker 2: in the box score that I didn't start. And then

500
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 2: like Tatum's averaging thirty points per game, and everyone's got it,

501
00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:16,200
Speaker 2: like we their hands would be forced, like they would

502
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:16,840
Speaker 2: have to pick them.

503
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:18,240
Speaker 1: You have to, You'd have to.

504
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 2: But there would be such an uproar. It'd be great.

505
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:22,840
Speaker 2: Somebody's got to do that.

506
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,320
Speaker 1: It would be uh, it would be Ben Simmons versus

507
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:27,960
Speaker 1: Donovan Mitchell all over again, and whoever finished second would

508
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,480
Speaker 1: come in wearing a sweatshirt that said sixth Man of

509
00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:32,639
Speaker 1: the Year, I'm a real reserve or something like that.

510
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:35,520
Speaker 1: The definition isn't just coming off the bench, it's living

511
00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:36,040
Speaker 1: on the bench.

512
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:40,560
Speaker 2: Who's gonna do it? Got the balls to actually really

513
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:41,440
Speaker 2: screw with this award?

514
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 1: You mentioned it. Lebron came off the bench one What

515
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,960
Speaker 1: that was weird? I totally forgot that. But yeah, maybe

516
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:50,840
Speaker 1: he's the guy. He never was able to get that

517
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:52,480
Speaker 1: Defensive Player of the Year that he all that he

518
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:55,040
Speaker 1: wanted so badly in the mid twenty tens. How about

519
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:56,520
Speaker 1: get a six man of the year for no reason

520
00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:57,359
Speaker 1: one career.

521
00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:00,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's like, when you only think about it,

522
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:02,760
Speaker 2: it's sort of a cooler way to enter a game.

523
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:06,440
Speaker 2: It's it's more fanfare, like all eyes are on you,

524
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:09,040
Speaker 2: like they do this when you sub a guy off,

525
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:11,359
Speaker 2: true to like, hey, give him the applause. Man, what

526
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 2: a big game, forty point game, triple double A. Let's

527
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 2: just sum him off and let everybody clap it up,

528
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,359
Speaker 2: just flip it on its head and like you start.

529
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 2: That's amazing. Most of these guys want to, but like

530
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:23,240
Speaker 2: there's four other guys. I mean, what if you're the

531
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 2: one guy coming, you know, getting up, taking off the suit,

532
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 2: walking over to the you know, the scoreboard there or

533
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:30,480
Speaker 2: the checking. That's cool.

534
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 1: That is cool. I think they could go even further though,

535
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,760
Speaker 1: like have the public address announcer basically do another starting lineup,

536
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:38,639
Speaker 1: but only for the sixth man. That way, it's just

537
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 1: as much of an honor as you know, getting your

538
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 1: name screamed and getting to do a cool handshake.

539
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,639
Speaker 2: Okay, somebody is going to really screw with this award

540
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:49,440
Speaker 2: one day but right now I'm taking quickly and you

541
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:49,960
Speaker 2: are taking.

542
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 1: Who am I taking? That's a good point, Horford, Yeah, yeah,

543
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:56,359
Speaker 1: I give you aut Horford.

544
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,440
Speaker 2: Why not I'll go Horford okay, all right, Yeah, to

545
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:01,400
Speaker 2: take a break when we come back, a whole lot

546
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 2: more awards to predict. Don't go anywhere, all right. Still

547
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 2: here in the Classic Factory, the Stream team seems to

548
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 2: be liking our idea of an organization a player slash coach,

549
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 2: sort of screwing with the six man and bringing a

550
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 2: superstar off the bench. Yeah, just to really mess with everyone.

551
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 2: A lot of people like Lebron doing it to really

552
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:25,680
Speaker 2: cement his legacy with a sixth Man of the Year trophy.

553
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 2: Jordan never did it. Never, Lebron could have that autumn

554
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 2: if he wanted to. And then Half Life Heroes I

555
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:37,119
Speaker 2: think picked the right guy to actually implement this. Jimmy Butler.

556
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 2: He loves screwing with things like look at all these

557
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 2: photoshops or excuse me, photoshoots that he messes with at

558
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,879
Speaker 2: the start of the year. Couldn't you see Jimmy just

559
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:48,119
Speaker 2: being like, yeah, let's do this.

560
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:50,640
Speaker 1: Make sure you put my EMO picture in the Hall

561
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 1: of Fame next to my six Man of the tear Trophy. Yeah, absolutely, yeah.

562
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:59,159
Speaker 2: So good stuff here. John Schuman says, Reserves definitely have

563
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,240
Speaker 2: a better opportunity to dramatically remove their tear away pants.

564
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:04,919
Speaker 2: That's what I was talking about, true, to make more

565
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 2: of a show, Like somebody else said, like it's like, huh,

566
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 2: these guys need me in here. I get closer coming

567
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 2: out of the pen, like drop the lights, play some

568
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:18,639
Speaker 2: Metallica or something. Lebron pops up, Jimmy pops up.

569
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 1: This is I love this sixth Man of the Year

570
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 1: just stands at the scores table the whole time, like

571
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,880
Speaker 1: just smirking. Seriously, these guys.

572
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,959
Speaker 2: Looking at his watch. I'll come save you, all right.

573
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 2: More awards to predict here. Let's go with Rookie of

574
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,359
Speaker 2: the Year. The odds by way of bet mgm Victor

575
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 2: Wemenyama plus one two five. Yes, the odds are that

576
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,200
Speaker 2: he is going to win this thing. Scoot Anderson plus

577
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 2: three hundred, Chet Holmgren, who yes, is technically a rookie

578
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 2: plus three hundred as well, Brandon Miller plus fourteen hundred,

579
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 2: and then Aman Thompson plus thirty five hundred. So quite

580
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 2: a difference here between the three guys and then the

581
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 2: rest of the field. Rookie of the Year? Right really

582
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 2: is is it? Victor, Chet or Scoot? I think is

583
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 2: what we're getting at? Where are you going?

584
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,159
Speaker 1: Definitely feels like a three man race. And I mean,

585
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 1: looking at the odds, Victor wembin Yama as the Rookie

586
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 1: of the Year favorite, by the biggest favorite on the board.

587
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 1: All right, like there are anybody else that's gonna be

588
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 1: a plus one twenty five. So it's gonna be tough

589
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,159
Speaker 1: for anybody to beat Victor. I think it's gonna be

590
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,159
Speaker 1: tough for anybody to finish in the top three besides Victor,

591
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 1: Scoot and Chet. But I've been saying it all summer long, Skeets,

592
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:31,239
Speaker 1: I'm swerving. I'm going to Chet home grown to win

593
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 1: Rookie of the Year.

594
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:33,919
Speaker 2: You're not alone. A lot of people are thinking it too,

595
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,400
Speaker 2: And after what we've seen in preseason and that team

596
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 2: being maybe very good, that's a part of it.

597
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 1: That's a part of it. The team is gonna be better.

598
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 1: Oklahoma City is gonna be better than San Antonio is.

599
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,439
Speaker 1: I think what Chet is bringing specifically to the Thunder

600
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 1: is gonna look great because everybody's like, they need a center,

601
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,879
Speaker 1: they need some outside shooting, and those are two of

602
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 1: his strengths. I think he's gonna be pretty polished offensively.

603
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 1: It looks like he already plays like a modern center,

604
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 1: whereas Vic is figuring some things out. You know, you

605
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 1: hear Greg Popovitch talking about is he a five? Is

606
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 1: he a four? Is he even a three? I don't

607
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 1: necessarily know that. I think he's a three, But what

608
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,680
Speaker 1: do I know? Greg Popovitch pretty smart guy, So yeah,

609
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 1: I'll go with chet. I'll regret this one later because

610
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 1: Victor will more than likely win it. But somebody's got

611
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:17,359
Speaker 1: we're about here.

612
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 2: Well, the case against wemin Yama is the playing sixty

613
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:22,920
Speaker 2: five games.

614
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 1: I don't think it matters for rookies.

615
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 2: I'd forgotten about that.

616
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 1: I think that's true.

617
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 2: That's sneaky, sneaky, isn't it?

618
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:29,920
Speaker 1: Yeah?

619
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 2: Is that true? Doesn't matter? That's the one award that

620
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 2: makes there. Yeah, okay, well oh then man, then it's

621
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 2: very difficult to pick against him because if he's like whatever,

622
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 2: sixty sixty one to sixty two games played, I think

623
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 2: the stats are going to be there. Man, the buzz

624
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 2: is going to be there. People. They sometimes like they

625
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 2: want to give it to that type of guy too.

626
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 2: I feel like the voters. But Chet's a great pick,

627
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 2: uh man, I didn't know that. I didn't know that.

628
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 2: With the sixty five games out of the rookie I

629
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 2: like that. I also was gonna say something else, Oh

630
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 2: a reason for Chet. Didn't Blake Griffin win a Rookie

631
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 2: of the Year after missing a year because of a

632
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 2: foot injury. Yeah, Ben Simmons, you already talked about it,

633
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 2: same thing with him, did not play that first year,

634
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 2: and you know, is around the team and then gets

635
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 2: to play, and Donovan Mitchell's all piss like, hey, come on,

636
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 2: guy's not a real rookie. Sorry's been around the team

637
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:18,479
Speaker 2: and all that. So that's a great case for Chet

638
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 2: Holmgren at plus three hundred, I like it. I will now,

639
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 2: knowing that fact that you just said, I'm gonna go

640
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 2: with mien Yama, I won't overthink it. I think the

641
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 2: stats could be pretty sexy there on that Spurs team,

642
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 2: which is, you know, we think gonna be bad. That

643
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 2: doesn't matter when it comes to ROI but what about

644
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 2: a dark horse pick who you got?

645
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I know, I guess Scoot Henderson. I guess

646
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 1: we haven't talked about him yet. Yeah, and I don't

647
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 1: think the Trailblazers are going to be very good. There's

648
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 1: still question marks of if Scoot's gonna be like the

649
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 1: lead ball handlers. And Simon's is around obviously, but it

650
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 1: doesn't seem realistic to me that anybody else outside of

651
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 1: the top three even is making a run at this.

652
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 2: What about Jimei Hakas junior at plus ten thousand on

653
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 2: FanDuel at least and I can't say bet MGM even

654
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 2: has him on the board. But here's why, I mean,

655
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 2: here's why. In all honesty, he's he is older, he's

656
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 2: twenty two, so he does have more experience than some

657
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 2: of these very very young players coming into the league Miami.

658
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 2: He's in the right spot sure to be folded in

659
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 2: to spose system and contribute right away. You don't have

660
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 2: to be just an undrafted guy. You can be a

661
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 2: drafted guy and suddenly be contributing and getting minutes an

662
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 2: opportunity and maybe putting up some stats there to help

663
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 2: them succeed. And there is a bit of a role

664
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 2: here for him with you know, Struse specifically going and

665
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 2: you know Gabe Vincent obviously in shooting and scoring him

666
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 2: a hawk as junior, as a very very very dark

667
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 2: horse pick in Rookie of the Year. Put a dollar

668
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 2: on it. Yeah, it's unlikely that it's gonna gonna be

669
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 2: anyone else. I guess the Thompson twins. I'm excited to

670
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 2: see if if one of them, at least for a

671
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 2: month or two, could be in the conversation. I think

672
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 2: it's in play.

673
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 1: It'd be fun to see him in the conversation. But

674
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 1: I feel like both of their teams have a lot

675
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 1: of ball handlers, yeah, which is going to make it

676
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 1: tough for them to get the opportunity that they would need.

677
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 2: I would pick I would pick Allman over a shirt

678
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 2: if I had to pick one of the other to

679
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 2: be in a Rookie of the Year race for eight weeks.

680
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 1: It's a tough call. That's a pretty tough call. I

681
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: almost feel like I would go a sir, oh, interesting,

682
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 1: just because Fred van Vlid is there in Houston and

683
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 1: they paid him a lot of money to handle the ball.

684
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 1: You know, Dylan Brooks ain't going to be passing. But

685
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 1: I went and looked at Blake Griffin's Rookie of the

686
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 1: Year season. Just to remember who finished second? Okay, you

687
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 1: remember who finished second? Jeez, no, no, I don't. John

688
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 1: Wall finished second. He was the number one pick. Yeah

689
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 1: that year, followed by DeMarcus Cousins, and then in fourth

690
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 1: Landry Fields, a twenty two year old rookie Hi may

691
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 1: Hawk as Juno. Okay, you can easily finish fourth.

692
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 2: Hi may Hawk as Junior will be on the All

693
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 2: Rookie team first or second. I called it last year

694
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 2: with Jada with Hawkes junior here all right, Defensive Player

695
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 2: of the Year. Defense defense. Jared Jackson Junior is the

696
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 2: favorite plus five point fifty. He won it last year.

697
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 2: We got Mobley there at plus seven hundred, Jannis A

698
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 2: not Jannis B plus seven hundred, Anthony Davis plus eight fifty,

699
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 2: and bam Adebayo at plus one thousand. Oh man, what

700
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 2: do you do when it comes to dpoy and who

701
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 2: do you like?

702
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 1: What are Victor web miny amazads?

703
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 2: I don't have him in front of me. I don't know.

704
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 1: No rookie has ever won Defensive Player of the Year. Wow,

705
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 1: but but this guy plays defense like we haven't seen skeats.

706
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 1: He's all over the place.

707
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 2: He's got the blocks. He's got the go go gadget

708
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 2: arms on. He's gonna have heels.

709
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 1: Crazy numbers defensively, like it's not out of the realm

710
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 1: of possibility. He leads the league in blocks. It's hard

711
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 1: for to be great defensively just learning the speed of

712
00:32:59,080 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 1: the game.

713
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 2: I mean, he could get in foul trouble so quick.

714
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 2: These guys are smart, they're big, they're fast.

715
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 1: Yeah. But yeah, okay, here's a bold prediction for you.

716
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: I think Victor Webb Yama is going to lead the

717
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 1: league in fouling three point shooters. His legs are just

718
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 1: too long. His legs are so long, man, people are

719
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,479
Speaker 1: to be jumping into his legs like crazy. But as

720
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 1: for my pick, Defensive Player of the Year plus one thousand,

721
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 1: BAM out of bio guys do to win Defensive Player

722
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 1: of the Year. He's widely recognized as one of the

723
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 1: best defensive players in the league, and most of the

724
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 1: other best defensive players in the league already have a

725
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 1: Defensive Player of the Year trophy. Jared Jackson Junior got

726
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 1: his last season. I think BAM is the guy this year.

727
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, back to Victor. I mean again, he's a rookie,

728
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 2: So it's very unlikely him winning DPO. Why it's never happened.

729
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 2: As you said, Also, the Spurs were the worst defensive

730
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 2: team in the league. Yeah last year. Now you could say, well,

731
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 2: that actually is in his favor of helping him with it.

732
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 2: What if they're suddenly a flirting with a top ten

733
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 2: defensive rating. Sure, and he's a big reason why. So Okay,

734
00:33:57,880 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 2: I can squint and see it, but yeah, they were

735
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 2: dead last. That's why you look at those teams. That's

736
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 2: why Mobley's there, right, That's why Giannis is there. That's

737
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:10,280
Speaker 2: why Jared Jackson Junior. I mean the Cavs, the Grizzlies,

738
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 2: the Celtics, the Bucks. These were the best defensive teams

739
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 2: in the league. Your Bulls were the fifth best. Where

740
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 2: Uccie baby, So that's why it's you want to like

741
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 2: stick around those teams. I sort of think Jared Jackson

742
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 2: Junior might repeat because that also happens with this award.

743
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 2: They're just like, well, well there's still a great defensive team.

744
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 2: Grizzly should be you know, Smart is there now. I

745
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 2: know they lose Brooks, but he will uh, he'll still

746
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:39,319
Speaker 2: obviously rack up his stat can he you know, maybe

747
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,360
Speaker 2: plays even a little bit more and and sort of

748
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 2: takes care of all that fouling that he sometimes gets

749
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 2: himself into trouble. I'll go with him. I do love

750
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:48,320
Speaker 2: I love the Bam pick. I think I maybe no,

751
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 2: maybe I didn't pick him last year, but I had

752
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 2: him in the conversation. But I'll go triple J and

753
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,320
Speaker 2: you're going bam bam bam getting his award.

754
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 1: There.

755
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 2: I like it. Coach of the Year. Here are your favorites.

756
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 2: That's my uncle Al Mark Dagnel. He looks like my

757
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 2: uncle Al. I can't every time I see it, I'm like, oh, man,

758
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 2: what's up? Uncle Al?

759
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 1: Is uncle Al a tactician?

760
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 2: Uh No, he's uh he works on cars, one of

761
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 2: my what's the word, That's what I'm trying to say. Yes,

762
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 2: so he's a tactician when it comes to the workings

763
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 2: of your vehicle.

764
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,800
Speaker 1: I'd love for him to point me to the correct

765
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 1: fuse in my fuse box for my windshield wash or

766
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 1: pump buzz. I'm not getting any fluids he can get.

767
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 2: You can fix it in your sleep. Uh So, okay,

768
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 2: See head coach is the favorite plus six fifty uh

769
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 2: Adrian Griffin new head coach of the Bucks plus seven hundred.

770
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 2: Spolstra plus eight hundred. He has never won this award,

771
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 2: never won this award. He is the Susan Lucci of

772
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 2: Coach of the Years. She ultimately won a daytime Emmy,

773
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 2: didn't she so maybe spoke? Will hear she did?

774
00:35:58,719 --> 00:35:58,839
Speaker 1: Uh?

775
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 2: Yeah she did, Yeah, she got it finally and finally

776
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 2: Missoula plus eight fifty and then Michael Malone plus nine

777
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:08,760
Speaker 2: hundred with the Nuggets. Over the last ten season, seven

778
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 2: of the Coach of the Year Award winners were returning coaches.

779
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 2: Only three were first time with their with their team,

780
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 2: if you want to take that into consideration, if that

781
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:18,839
Speaker 2: means anything to you. And seven of the last ten

782
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 2: Coach of the Year winners had over a seven hundred

783
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 2: win percentage. Mike Brown only had forty eight wins with

784
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:28,439
Speaker 2: Sacramento last year, Tibbs with the Knicks they finished forty

785
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:30,760
Speaker 2: one and thirty one, and then Mike D'Antoni was fifty

786
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:32,839
Speaker 2: five and twenty seven. That's a sixty seven percent win

787
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 2: percentage with the Rockets. But mostly you gotta be an

788
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 2: elite team a lot of wins seven hundred in the

789
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 2: win percentage call them, where are you going with this one?

790
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:43,879
Speaker 1: I think this one is a tough one to call.

791
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 1: I do feel like Eric Spolstra is due for this,

792
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 1: just like Bam out of Bayo. He's due for a

793
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 1: defensive player of the Year. And maybe this could be

794
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 1: the year uh for coach spo because expectations, I feel like,

795
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 1: are pretty low for the Miami Heat right now after

796
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,479
Speaker 1: the way the summer went. I got aggregated talking about

797
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: the Heat's over under and how I still think that

798
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 1: the third best team in some Heat culture. People just

799
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,879
Speaker 1: slid into my comments saying, hey, this is the wrong

800
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: narrative around this, that we had one bad year where

801
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 1: we ended up in the play in tournament. Fair enough,

802
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,320
Speaker 1: If they finished with the top seed in the Eastern

803
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 1: Conference when everybody's expecting it to be the Bucks and

804
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 1: the Celtics, then I think this is the year Eric

805
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: Spolster gets a Coach of the year. Guys already one

806
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 1: of the top fifteen coaches of all time, he just

807
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 1: doesn't have the hardware to back it up, except for,

808
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: of course, the couple of championship trophies as well. But

809
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: I do think my pick. I can't believe I'm gonna

810
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 1: pick this guy to win Coach the Year. But Joe

811
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: Mizula is my pick. WHOA, Yeah, I don't think he's

812
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 1: the best coach in the league. I don't think he's

813
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: the best coach in the Eastern Conference.

814
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 2: So you think they're just gonna win a time.

815
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna win a ton of games.

816
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 2: Okay, that's my thinking. That's my thinking too. But in

817
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 2: the other conference, I'm going Frank Fogel. Sure, with the

818
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 2: Suns obviously a new head coach taking over for Money

819
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 2: Williams and that team. We talked about when we did

820
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 2: our Western Conference over unders how high I am and

821
00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 2: we are actually, you know, on the Suns probably get

822
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 2: over the fifty one and a half mark. I think

823
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 2: they're going to be one of those teams that maybe

824
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 2: is even flirting with sixty wins. So for that reason,

825
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 2: I'll go with Vogel. But yeah, Missoula Spo, I mean,

826
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 2: that's the funny part. You ask any of the other franchises,

827
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:16,800
Speaker 2: you do these surveys, I mean, Shoe does it, for

828
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:18,839
Speaker 2: crying out loud, who's the best coach in the league.

829
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 2: Everybody says Spo, Yeah, like didn't he didn't he like,

830
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 2: he's like at the top of basically every coaching type question,

831
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 2: defense off fans, whatever you like. It was spoopo. So yeah,

832
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 2: it's so weird he doesn't have one of these. But

833
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 2: maybe this is the year. Who do you got for

834
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 2: Coach of the Year. I have a little trivia question

835
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 2: for you. Okay, can you name the three teams with

836
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 2: no Coach of the Year winners?

837
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 1: Three teams no Coach of the Year winners?

838
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, hornets, I think that's incorrect. I will admit I

839
00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:59,840
Speaker 2: was going off of a website for this. I didn't

840
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 2: do the research myself, but i'll But you know, now

841
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 2: that you say it, I'm like.

842
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 1: Somebody that's tough.

843
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 2: I've got at least no.

844
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 1: Three that seventy six ers. No, no, Doc Rivers got

845
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 1: one for Orlando Magic? Is that true?

846
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 2: I would think?

847
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 1: Uh.

848
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:22,840
Speaker 2: I think one team is sort of easy because they were.

849
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 1: Bad for a very Sacramento Kings. Ricky Dielman probably.

850
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,359
Speaker 2: One one, and Mike Brown obviously.

851
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,959
Speaker 1: Again, yeah, last year counts in this unfortunately. Yes, oh boy,

852
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:37,240
Speaker 1: another team, those bad Golden State Warriors.

853
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 2: No, no, but you're in the right state. Clippers. Clippers.

854
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 2: The Clippers have never had a Coach of the Year winner. Okay,

855
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 2: and I'm fact checking that.

856
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 1: But it looks.

857
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 2: I like your Hornets pick because I'm not seeing it now.

858
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,800
Speaker 2: So now you got me in bodcast. Okay, throw this

859
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 2: out anyway. The other teams, apparently, the Brooklyn Nets I

860
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:03,439
Speaker 2: have never had a coy and the Timberwolves. Okay, yeah,

861
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 2: a lot of Yeah again, is any of that correct?

862
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 2: We're not really sure. I think the Hornets, I think

863
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 2: you're right on the Hornets. I'm not seeing them here.

864
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 1: I can't tell.

865
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 2: I'm like Steve Clifford has never won it.

866
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 1: The Byron Scott get one he did with New Orleans,

867
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 1: New Orleans style. That'll do it.

868
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 2: That'll do it. That'll do it. We're okay, okay, So

869
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 2: in the end, it looks like the Wolves and Nets

870
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 2: and the Clippers are potentially the only three teams to

871
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:36,319
Speaker 2: never have a co y. We gotta take one more break,

872
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 2: but we're not done. Uh uh uh. We got Clutch

873
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 2: Player of the Year and a few made up awards

874
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 2: that we are going to predict. Will be right back

875
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 2: all right, We're back here in the Classic Factory. A

876
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,839
Speaker 2: few more awards to predict. We were just talking about

877
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 2: Coach of the Year. My pick is officially Frank Vogel.

878
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,879
Speaker 2: You're going Joe Mizzula with the Celtics, But I would

879
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 2: lay a little coin now that I think about it,

880
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 2: on Quinn Snyder and the Hawks. I like the narrative

881
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 2: bil in there if if they play as well as

882
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 2: I think they will and exceed expectations as much as

883
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:07,839
Speaker 2: I actually think they will with that super low over

884
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 2: underline of like forty two and a half, and that

885
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 2: was one of my locks for Over, so you could

886
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 2: be in play. Quin Snyder obviously considered one of the best,

887
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 2: you know, one of the better regular season coaches.

888
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 1: As well well. Speaking of that, Skeets, I got a

889
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 1: trivia question for you. Which is the franchise in the

890
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,280
Speaker 1: NBA that has the most Coach of the Year awards?

891
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 2: Yeah? Well is it the Atlanta Hawks.

892
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 1: It's the Atlanta Hawks who six times they've won Coach

893
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 1: of the Year. Two of those, though, were from their

894
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 1: time in Saint Louis. Richie Garron won one, and of

895
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 1: course Harry the Horse Gallaton on what back in nineteen

896
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 1: sixty two to sixty three you.

897
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 2: Said his name is Harry the Horse.

898
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 1: Harry the Horse Gallatin Yo, Kitch would love to play

899
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:48,800
Speaker 1: for it.

900
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 2: Wow, Harry the horse.

901
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 1: Harry Junior, the horse Gallaton, that's a high quality horse.

902
00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 2: So they have six Coaches of the Year.

903
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 1: Coaches of the Year.

904
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's incredible. Yeah, all right, Quinn Sander's gonna try

905
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 2: and make it seven twenty twenty four, two twenty three,

906
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 2: twenty four Clutch Player of the Year odds, Yes, there

907
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 2: are odds on this that MGM has them. Shay Gildos,

908
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 2: Alexander and Damian Lillard are your favorites at plus one thousand,

909
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 2: Luca plus twelve hundred, and then we got a three

910
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 2: way tie here for fourth or third, however you want

911
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 2: to look at it. Fox, Darren Fox, Anthony Edwards and

912
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 2: mister Horseman himself, Nikola Jokic plus fourteen hundred. So Fox

913
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,879
Speaker 2: won it last year, Yeah, rightfully. So he was great

914
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 2: in the clutch. I mean the numbers were insane. You know,

915
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 2: had some big shots from them. They obviously had a

916
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 2: great record. Who's doing it this year? Clutch Player of

917
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 2: the Year. This is hard, hard to replicate.

918
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 1: Demarto Rosen would have won this NF it exested during

919
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:51,840
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty one season, but he didn't win it

920
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:55,399
Speaker 1: last year, and he's not even in the top what one, two, three, four, five,

921
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:57,800
Speaker 1: six of the odds this year, so who knows? It

922
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 1: all literally comes down to a maker league, and that's

923
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:02,839
Speaker 1: what's coming down to. Are you making it? So? Yeah,

924
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 1: Fox is a good bet. But one guy who has

925
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 1: replicated this time and time again throughout his career, very

926
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:09,800
Speaker 1: high on the odds list's got to be Damian Lillard.

927
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 1: That's my pick. Yeah, He's gonna be taking a lot

928
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 1: of game winning shots, I do believe for the Milwaukee

929
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 1: Bucks unless it's blowout mode every single night for them.

930
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 1: But I'm going with Dame. He's got the celebration. They're

931
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 1: calling it freak time. It'll be Dame time when he

932
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 1: is doing his thing in the final couple of minutes

933
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 1: of a game.

934
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 2: Here, Okay, I like SGA or Dame as the favorites.

935
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 2: They make sense. I'm gonna go Booker. I don't even

936
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:32,439
Speaker 2: know what his odds are. I mean, I guess I'm

937
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 2: really leaning into the Suns being great, him being in

938
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 2: the MVP conversation once again. That's going to include some

939
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 2: clutch play, some big shots. You know, he's money at

940
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 2: the line, So if he ever gets put there, he's

941
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 2: good and you can rack up points like that in

942
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 2: the clutch. I mean, SGA does that for crying out loud,

943
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 2: So I'll go Booker, but man who Yeah, Like it

944
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:53,240
Speaker 2: could be anyone, like it's like, I don't know, mckill, Bridges,

945
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 2: or it could be anyone like Donovan Mitchell, you know,

946
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 2: makes sense, or like I mean, you're generally gonna go

947
00:43:59,239 --> 00:43:59,879
Speaker 2: with a wing guy.

948
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 1: Yes, so I Jokic on the list.

949
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 2: Really the only the only big guy in our sort

950
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 2: of top six here, as you said, But otherwise it's tough, tough, tough, tough,

951
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 2: gotta be a gotta be a wing guy. Jimmy Butler,

952
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 2: I guess obviously he's money in the clutch at least

953
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 2: when it comes to the postseason.

954
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 1: Who do you got?

955
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 2: Let us know any other guys you want to name

956
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 2: on this one?

957
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 1: You want me just name some guys. Was gonna be

958
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:25,360
Speaker 1: Jimmy Butler? Okay, I know John Schuman voted for Tyler

959
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 1: hero last year at least in his top three.

960
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 2: Wow?

961
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:28,799
Speaker 1: Maybe him?

962
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, we got to our made up award here,

963
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 2: Disgruntled Player of the Year, that's right. Who is gonna

964
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,280
Speaker 2: win Disgruntled Player of the Year. What would the trophy

965
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 2: be for this.

966
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 1: Great question? Yeah, it's just like a just like yeah,

967
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 1: just looking angry and like the first half of the

968
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:49,840
Speaker 1: Alonso Morning meme, which is just angry. He's like, consider

969
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 1: it the angry style. Who would they name this after?

970
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 1: Because it's something I forgot. Every award is name now

971
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 1: yeah right, oh yeah, John Haflichak, George Micn Disgruntled Player

972
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 1: of the Year. Would they name it after Rashid Wallace?

973
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:07,840
Speaker 1: Because this general so yeah, maybe yeah, I don't know.

974
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:08,839
Speaker 2: Where are you going?

975
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 1: Well, I made odds. Everything else has odds.

976
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, what do you got?

977
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 1: I mean the favorite obviously James Harden. Yeah, I got

978
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 1: him at plus one twenty five. Oh wow, it might

979
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 1: be more like minus one hundred for being honest. Heats.

980
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 1: Apparently this guy has it showed up for any of

981
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 1: their preseason games so far. He's participated in one scrimmage

982
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 1: with the team, so he's not causing a lot of waves,

983
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 1: but obviously still tension under the surface. Still wants to

984
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 1: be traded to the LA Clippers as well. I have

985
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 1: his teammate Joel Embiid second on the disgruntled Players list

986
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 1: plus three hundred, though a little bit away James Harden.

987
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:48,320
Speaker 1: I mean, he can't be happy with the way this

988
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 1: is going. Uh And we'll see what the return ends

989
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 1: up being for Harden, assuming there isn't a return at

990
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 1: some point, but he has said in the preseason, we

991
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:59,439
Speaker 1: can't waste seasons of my prime, because that's a question

992
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 1: people have been asking, can the Sixers do this again

993
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 1: after the way things ended with Ben Simmons. My third

994
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 1: favorite Karl Anthony Towns plus seven to fifty. Okay, everybody's

995
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: expecting Anthony Edwards to take a huge step forward, despite

996
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:15,359
Speaker 1: the fact that this already feels like Anthony Edwards team.

997
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 1: How far into the background will Karl Anthony Towns want

998
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 1: to receive? This used to be Carl Anthony Towns. This

999
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:24,359
Speaker 1: team he stole it from Andrew Williams back in the day,

1000
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 1: So I don't know how much further he wants to

1001
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 1: go down on the reputation chart in Minnesota. My fourth favorite,

1002
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 1: Kyrie Irving plus one thousand. I mean, just who does

1003
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 1: He's literally he's got to be in the mix. And

1004
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 1: then my plus twenty five hundreds, I got five guys

1005
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 1: Zion Williams from Trey Young, Julius Randel, Pascal Siakam and

1006
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:44,840
Speaker 1: Luka doncas Oh.

1007
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, where's Luca. That's my pick to

1008
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 2: win Disgruntled Player of the Year.

1009
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 1: That's a that's a good one. He's gonna be a

1010
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 1: grumpy guy. But I don't think he'll be disgruntled enough

1011
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 1: to be like, I'm out of Dallas, Okay, but he

1012
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 1: could definitely be disgruntled.

1013
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 2: I mean, if they have another shitty season, you said

1014
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 2: him be you talking about, hey, you're wasting you know,

1015
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 2: my prime yeers here to win championships and stuff like that.

1016
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, if Dallas has a brutal year here,

1017
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 2: you're gonna hear. I mean, look, you know your ESPNS

1018
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 2: and all of your talk shows or talking head shows

1019
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 2: are gonna run with save Luca, get Luca out. You

1020
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 2: know that'll happen. So that's why I'll have him. And

1021
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:22,320
Speaker 2: he's like, uh, you know, he's always complaining with the

1022
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 2: referees too. He's got that reputation that's like a small

1023
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 2: part of Disgruntled Player of the Year. Okay, so great odds,

1024
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 2: who who's your pick?

1025
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 1: Somebody is gonna be angry during the season, and I

1026
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:37,879
Speaker 1: mean Harden, it is the easy pick. He's currently disgruntled.

1027
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 2: Okay, say take hard in a way all these like stars,

1028
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:45,319
Speaker 2: is gonna be the one? Probably? I guess you're sort

1029
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:47,359
Speaker 2: of getting at get me out of here, or I'm

1030
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:50,280
Speaker 2: pissed off and maybe demanding a trade.

1031
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 1: Give me Julius Randall. WHOA, I don't know why, I

1032
00:47:57,960 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 1: don't know.

1033
00:47:59,080 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1034
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,399
Speaker 1: Eight season then he was given the fans the thumbs down.

1035
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 1: Then he was having a great season. So if he

1036
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 1: goes back on the roller coaster, it could go poorly

1037
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:10,760
Speaker 1: for the Knicks. Okay, the team seems to have grown

1038
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:13,760
Speaker 1: past him, and he will be a guy that's included

1039
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 1: in any sort of trade rumors if somebody does become available.

1040
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 1: So I don't know. I don't feel too confident in

1041
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:20,880
Speaker 1: that one.

1042
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:22,840
Speaker 2: But he made my list, all right, I'm gonna go

1043
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 2: with Luca Okay, okah, so get your votes in people

1044
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:30,919
Speaker 2: saying Randall, good call, but we will see who's gonna

1045
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 2: really be the Yeah, the quote unquote star player may

1046
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 2: be saying, save me, get me out of here. I'm

1047
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:38,840
Speaker 2: tired of this bullshit. I'm tired of losing yeah, or

1048
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 2: stop making me the scapegoat, like I guess yeah, Yeah,

1049
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 2: that's where you'd maybe leaning towards a Randall pick two

1050
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 2: if they if they struggle, I don't think they are

1051
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 2: all right.

1052
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:52,760
Speaker 1: Still with the asks, who's most gruntled? Most the most gruntled.

1053
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 2: As in as in who's just the happiest? Yeah, hmmm,

1054
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 2: who's the happiest? I'm mean has to be pretty happy

1055
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 2: with that. He played his disgruntled card. He played it perfectly.

1056
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 2: It appears to get team. Who else is good?

1057
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 1: Uh? Devin Booker, I feel like should be OK. He

1058
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 1: literally said I'm gonna bring a super team to me

1059
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 1: and he did it. Yeah, But he carries himself with

1060
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:25,439
Speaker 1: a disgruntled air in general, like he's always getting into

1061
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 1: trash talking battles with other players.

1062
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:30,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then and then. Jimmy Butler is a fascinating guy.

1063
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 2: He seems disgruntled, but I think he's perfectly content with

1064
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 2: his role in Miami and where they are. And he

1065
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 2: always wants to be the underdog and and and doubt

1066
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 2: me at your at your own costs? All right, who's

1067
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:43,360
Speaker 2: the most gruntled?

1068
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 1: Uh?

1069
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 2: Comeback Player of the Year is our final award here

1070
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:53,840
Speaker 2: on our NBA Awards Predictions podcast. There's a lot of

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00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:57,400
Speaker 2: guys in the running. I think Ben Simmons obviously is

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00:49:57,480 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 2: probably if you were making did you make odds for

1073
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:00,719
Speaker 2: this one as well? I didn't make it this one, well,

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00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 2: Ben Simmons would be on the short list. Zion Williamson.

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00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 2: I guess maybe John Collins.

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00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:09,800
Speaker 1: Maybe he's probably gruntled as well. He seems pretty gruntled.

1077
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 2: You think John Collins, and he's probably very gruntled. Who

1078
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:16,359
Speaker 2: do you have for comeback Player of the Year?

1079
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 1: This used to be an award by this used to

1080
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:21,839
Speaker 1: be a real award. I'm interested in seeing the Jordan

1081
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 1: Poole experiment in Washington. He played last season obviously, so

1082
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 1: you know, not a comeback in that sense, But that

1083
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:33,320
Speaker 1: guy's gonna have the greenest light in the entire NBA,

1084
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:36,720
Speaker 1: so he could score a lot of points, I do believe.

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00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 1: But my ultimate pick for comeback Player of the Year,

1086
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:41,359
Speaker 1: I don't know if this counts skeats, but I'm going

1087
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 1: with Andrew Wiggins. We played thirty seven games last year.

1088
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 1: He had off the court family concerns for a long

1089
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 1: time and just never really got into the flow of things.

1090
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:53,720
Speaker 1: He's been talking a good game in the preseason about

1091
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:57,319
Speaker 1: getting back to All Star status. He was obviously great

1092
00:50:57,360 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 1: for the Warriors in the finals against the Celtics a

1093
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 1: couple of seasons go. He can be that kind of player.

1094
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 1: He can be a twenty point per game scorer. And

1095
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:07,360
Speaker 1: you know, the Warriors need some of their younger players

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00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:10,359
Speaker 1: to be productive around their vets who have been there

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00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 1: for a long long time. So I think Wiggins probably

1098
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 1: has a small ball for at least to start the season. Yep,

1099
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:19,319
Speaker 1: should be a pretty productive player, and I think he's good.

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00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 1: I just think he is a good, solid player who's

1101
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:23,880
Speaker 1: gonna have a little bit of an opportunity in Golden

1102
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 1: State because they need somebody to be their wingstop or

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00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 1: their wing scorer.

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00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 2: I think I've been thinking after we did our our

1105
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 2: two over Under podcasts and we talked about the Warriors

1106
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:35,879
Speaker 2: and just in general, like listening to the podcast reading

1107
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 2: other things, I'm like convincing myself and talking myself into

1108
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 2: the Warriors having like a huge sort of bounce back

1109
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 2: season because they are being like I don't know if

1110
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 2: overlooked is the right word, but it's like they're like

1111
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:49,319
Speaker 2: they're like the old thing, and everybody's into the new

1112
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 2: shiny toys, you know what I mean. And they obviously,

1113
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 2: like Steph Curry wouldn't even bring up in the MVP conversation,

1114
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 2: Like I didn't even mention his name. Andrew Wiggins obviously,

1115
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 2: like you said, missed a lot of time bouncing back

1116
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 2: Klay Thompson, you know, in a contract year, what what

1117
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 2: we see from him? You know, Draymond's injured to start,

1118
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 2: but you know he's going to be still an elite

1119
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 2: defensive player. Then KAMINGA Moody. Could those guys pop off?

1120
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:13,480
Speaker 2: It's like they could use all of this now the

1121
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 2: pool has gone too and that distraction is removed from

1122
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 2: the equation. They could use all of this sort of

1123
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 2: as like fuel. Like I was like, oh, you've forgot

1124
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 2: about us, Like you've moved on and you justly think

1125
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:26,360
Speaker 2: we're good anymore. And I don't know, I'm starting to

1126
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 2: convince myself that that could be a mistake.

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00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:28,959
Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: I like the Andrew Wiggins pick. What about comeback player

1129
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 2: of the Year for Tyler Hero he played last year?

1130
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 2: He was really really good. Sure in the regular season

1131
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 2: he scored twenty points per game five, you know, basically

1132
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 2: five and a half boards, four assists, shot forty four

1133
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 2: percent from the floor thirty eight percent from three. But

1134
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 2: then he sustained that broken hand in Game one against

1135
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 2: the Bucks and it sidelined him for the rest of

1136
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 2: the postseason. And his team goes to the finals, you know,

1137
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:02,360
Speaker 2: miraculously without him. And then this guy's in Damian Lillard

1138
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 2: trade rumors for three months yep, and now here he

1139
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 2: is still on Miami and and we'll see how he like,

1140
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:14,840
Speaker 2: you know, recovers from that, both the hand injury, and

1141
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 2: then of course just this idea of like he was

1142
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:19,719
Speaker 2: traded and gone, uh, you know, he had changed the

1143
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 2: Twitter bio and everything, but he is like we debated

1144
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 2: it for months about whether Portland should want him or

1145
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:29,759
Speaker 2: another team getting in on him or whatever, and oh,

1146
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 2: he's over eighted, he's paid too much. And then people saying,

1147
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 2: are you kidding me? He's really good, and like we

1148
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 2: went on and on and on. I think he is

1149
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 2: really good. He's still quite young, and he is a bucket.

1150
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 2: So maybe him for a weird comeback Player of the.

1151
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 1: Year, sixth Man of the Year, not too long ago,

1152
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 1: one season ago, Like you're saying, he's for twenty a

1153
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 1: game last year, But yeah, I mean the playoffs loom

1154
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:53,880
Speaker 1: so large and everybody's memory that it could be a

1155
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 1: comeback player of the year. Tyler Hero. I mean he

1156
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:57,879
Speaker 1: put on a headband and things have changed. Oh yes,

1157
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:00,320
Speaker 1: I forgot about guys change up their swam like that

1158
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:02,920
Speaker 1: work for Kevin Herder right, Like he was fine on

1159
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:04,840
Speaker 1: the Hawks coming off the bench. They trade him to

1160
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:06,360
Speaker 1: the Kings. Throws on a head bend and suddenly the

1161
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 1: light and the beam every single night.

1162
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's right. So headband hero as a possibility.

1163
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 2: But if I think I have to pick pick pick,

1164
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 2: I gotta keep running with my Ben Simmons angle here,

1165
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 2: you know, I gotta say Ben, he's gonna be a

1166
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 2: competent player. I mean, he's this guy's in GQ, I

1167
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 2: think or Esquire, I don't know. You see this photo

1168
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 2: shoot and he's saying he's gonna he wants to get

1169
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 2: back to an all star level. He wants me better

1170
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:29,239
Speaker 2: than an all star. I mean he's saying all the

1171
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 2: things you want to hear. He's looking all right in

1172
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 2: pre season, and man, the guy like his stock was

1173
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:38,439
Speaker 2: at an all time low. Like so if you bought

1174
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:41,360
Speaker 2: at the bottom, you might be uh, you know, cashing

1175
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 2: in a little bit. I'm on Ben Simmons Island. I'm

1176
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:46,359
Speaker 2: not the mayor like the guy with the tattoo who

1177
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 2: we bow down to. But you know, I don't know,

1178
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 2: I'm treasury or something and help it out in front office.

1179
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:55,800
Speaker 1: I didn't even know that there was a tattoo parlor

1180
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:58,760
Speaker 1: on Ben. It's great to see that the business district

1181
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:02,440
Speaker 1: is exploding. That's right, that's right. I'm happy for you

1182
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 1: as the treasurer. You must be thrilled that these business

1183
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:06,759
Speaker 1: yes setting, yeah, I am, and.

1184
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 2: People are coming. They're slowly making their way to the island.

1185
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:11,799
Speaker 2: So I'll go Ben Simmons as my pick. Tyler Hero,

1186
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 2: I guess is my dark horse comeback player of the year.

1187
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:16,160
Speaker 2: Let's hear from you guys though in the stream team.

1188
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:18,279
Speaker 2: Let's hear from everybody listening to the podcast. Tweet at

1189
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:20,799
Speaker 2: us at No Dunksinc. And if you want, you can

1190
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:23,360
Speaker 2: leave them in the YouTube comments as well, which a

1191
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:26,360
Speaker 2: lot of you do. Call your shots, make your predictions,

1192
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:29,880
Speaker 2: anything else before we wrap up today's No Dunks.

1193
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:33,160
Speaker 1: I don't think I got anything else. I'm excited to

1194
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:34,959
Speaker 1: watch some basketball start here pretty soon.

1195
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 2: Getting very very close. We'll have a few more sort

1196
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:40,880
Speaker 2: of season preview type shows Thursday and Friday. Also tomorrow,

1197
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:43,960
Speaker 2: we have a new No Buffs podcast that's our Survivor

1198
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:46,279
Speaker 2: podcast has its own feed. So if you're a Survivor fan,

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00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:47,880
Speaker 2: and if you're not, a great time to get in

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00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 2: join us.

1201
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:48,759
Speaker 1: Then.

1202
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:51,160
Speaker 2: I also did a baseball show this morning with my

1203
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:55,880
Speaker 2: guy Joel in Taiwan. It's available at the Athletic Baseball

1204
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 2: Show both on YouTube and their podcast feed. World Series Destiny.

1205
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 2: That was the question, is it Phillies Rangers? They're both

1206
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:05,840
Speaker 2: up to? Oh, I mean we've got sweep after sweep

1207
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 2: after sweep in this postseason. Looks like we're gonna have

1208
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 2: these teams possibly in the World Series. Any thoughts.

1209
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 1: Those Phillies are hot, right they are?

1210
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:18,400
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, it's it's wild. That crowd is amazing.

1211
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:19,799
Speaker 1: They seem unbeatable at home.

1212
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:22,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Rangers are unbeatable on the road.

1213
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:25,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh, what a showdown we may have.

1214
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:28,319
Speaker 2: The Rangers are undefeated in the postseason and nobody's talking

1215
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 2: about it. I made that point one.

1216
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:35,920
Speaker 1: We're seven to know. I didn't know that. See, I

1217
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:37,359
Speaker 1: didn't know that at all. It's good.

1218
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 2: What's really wild? This will blow your mind. If it

1219
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:41,760
Speaker 2: is the Rangers in the Phillies in the World Series,

1220
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:44,239
Speaker 2: the Rangers will have home field advantage.

1221
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 1: Well, Phillies, yeah, they got hot in the second half

1222
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:48,560
Speaker 1: of the season, but I know the Rangers were pretty good.

1223
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:51,440
Speaker 2: They both won ninety games in the regular season. But

1224
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:54,719
Speaker 2: the Rangers get this. The Rangers beat them in their

1225
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 2: in their head to head series March in March March,

1226
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:02,840
Speaker 2: the first series March thirtieth, early April. The Rangers, I believe,

1227
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:05,040
Speaker 2: sweat the Phillies, so they have the head to head advantage,

1228
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:06,360
Speaker 2: so they would have home field advantage in.

1229
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 1: The World Series. Weird. This is really weird. Every game matters.

1230
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 2: There you go. That's why you gotta listen to No

1231
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:12,960
Speaker 2: BUTUD So check that out.

1232
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:13,840
Speaker 1: We'll be back tomorrow.

1233
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 2: We will probably slip into tomorrow show the trade that happened.

1234
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:20,920
Speaker 2: That was the Rockets trading Kevin Porter Jr. To the

1235
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 2: Thunder and then okay, see immediately waiving him. A lot

1236
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 2: of people have opinions on this, so we'll probably get

1237
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 2: that into tomorrow's show live at ten am Eastern here

1238
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:31,640
Speaker 2: from the Classic Factory. Thanks for joining us today, really

1239
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 2: appreciate it. We'll see you tomorrow until the in clipper

1240
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 2: brose you heard it.

1241
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 1: Here first, have a great time, turn up. Love you

1242
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:40,680
Speaker 1: guys awesome, Thanks for joining us. And remember there are

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00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 1: four players on the NBA's Mount horsemore because horse lover's

1244
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:47,360
Speaker 1: and NBA history of course, Harry the Horse Gallatin yes,

1245
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 1: Dan the Horsel Yes, Nicoley OK. And Kevin Durant.

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Speaker 2: Brace to day people,