WEBVTT - LS Episode 503: She The People (Feat. Terri J. Vaughn) 0:00:01.840 --> 0:00:02.880 What's up its lip service. 0:00:02.920 --> 0:00:06.880 I'm Angela Yee, Jeordie, George the key Woods, and Terry J. 0:00:07.080 --> 0:00:08.319 Vond Terry J. 0:00:08.680 --> 0:00:12.040 Von in the building aka Lieutenant Governor Dunkerson. 0:00:12.080 --> 0:00:13.680 Thank you so much for joining us today. 0:00:14.040 --> 0:00:19.160 Come love when you say that, Well, congratulations to you 0:00:19.200 --> 0:00:22.800 because we are getting ready for a new Netflix series that's. 0:00:22.600 --> 0:00:26.240 Coming out on May twenty second. She the people, Yes, 0:00:26.280 --> 0:00:27.400 she is the people. 0:00:27.560 --> 0:00:29.880 Now, talk to me about how it feels right now, 0:00:29.920 --> 0:00:32.720 because this is an amazing moment. I can't even imagine 0:00:32.720 --> 0:00:35.000 what it is because this is your baby, and so 0:00:35.200 --> 0:00:38.120 imagine what it's like to see something go from an idea, 0:00:38.240 --> 0:00:42.559 a conception to actually about to be on Netflix as 0:00:42.600 --> 0:00:44.640 a series with Tyler Perry. 0:00:44.920 --> 0:00:50.160 Yeah, well, of course, you know. It's incredibly exciting. Feel 0:00:50.200 --> 0:00:55.760 extremely blessed. But to be honest, from the moment that 0:00:56.160 --> 0:00:59.200 this show idea came to me, which was about seven 0:00:59.400 --> 0:01:03.640 or six years old, I knew it was going to happen. 0:01:04.400 --> 0:01:06.560 I just knew. I didn't know when I thought it 0:01:06.600 --> 0:01:09.520 was gonna happen, way before now, but I just knew 0:01:09.560 --> 0:01:12.880 that the idea was it was something that we needed, 0:01:13.080 --> 0:01:16.920 something that I knew our community would appreciate that the 0:01:16.959 --> 0:01:20.360 world would appreciate it's you know, it's a it's a 0:01:20.400 --> 0:01:25.680 woman that is thriving but struggling at the same time. 0:01:25.880 --> 0:01:32.560 Here yeah to that, a single mom like co parenting 0:01:32.640 --> 0:01:42.640 two teenage kids and her incredibly colorful family. Uh, and 0:01:42.680 --> 0:01:45.400 then dealing in the world of politics. 0:01:45.480 --> 0:01:49.000 And now because we need to see that type of flavor, 0:01:49.480 --> 0:01:51.120 we can we celebrate what you can you pop this 0:01:51.200 --> 0:01:53.240 champagne bottle? 0:01:55.520 --> 0:01:57.200 I will, you will? You will? 0:02:07.000 --> 0:02:11.280 Okay, I'm so happy for you, honestly because you know, 0:02:11.320 --> 0:02:14.600 we've been watching you for I feel like, well definitely 0:02:14.600 --> 0:02:18.200 it's been decades and I could your personality I feel 0:02:18.200 --> 0:02:21.080 like comes through even in your acting. Thank you, Like 0:02:21.120 --> 0:02:23.519 you just seem like a cool ast person. 0:02:23.639 --> 0:02:27.120 Yeah, I think I am a coolst person. I think so. 0:02:27.880 --> 0:02:29.160 My kids told me I am. 0:02:29.240 --> 0:02:31.960 Thank you And your kids are adorable because we've been 0:02:32.000 --> 0:02:34.200 seeing that. We see them on social media too, And 0:02:34.280 --> 0:02:37.600 I just want to say, you've also been fighting for diversity, yes, 0:02:37.639 --> 0:02:41.240 when it comes to everything that's been happening in Georgia 0:02:41.400 --> 0:02:44.080 in particular, can you just give us a little brief 0:02:44.120 --> 0:02:46.320 about that too, because I just want to point out 0:02:46.360 --> 0:02:48.800 that not only is she lieutenant governor on this series. 0:02:48.960 --> 0:02:52.120 But in real life, you are involved in politics in 0:02:52.160 --> 0:02:55.680 a way. You are if you're fighting for some well, 0:02:55.800 --> 0:02:59.160 if we're talking about policy and fighting for justice and 0:02:59.160 --> 0:03:01.760 fighting for making that because I think a lot of 0:03:01.800 --> 0:03:04.160 times people can say what's wrong, but when you're really 0:03:04.160 --> 0:03:07.480 fighting to make change, that is still being involved in politics. 0:03:07.680 --> 0:03:12.720 Yes, I do believe that we use our creativity to 0:03:13.120 --> 0:03:17.640 make a difference, and so I do use my platform 0:03:18.160 --> 0:03:22.960 to share the views that I believe in. I think 0:03:23.000 --> 0:03:25.160 that there are so many people that need a voice 0:03:25.480 --> 0:03:30.079 for them and that our community, you know, is always 0:03:30.320 --> 0:03:34.360 struggling fighting. So I will continue to lift my voice 0:03:34.600 --> 0:03:37.880 up for us at any cost. And I think that 0:03:38.200 --> 0:03:43.280 right now, especially being a black woman, that we are 0:03:43.440 --> 0:03:48.680 each other's cheerleaders so hard. Nobody loves us more than 0:03:48.720 --> 0:03:51.920 we love on each other. And I think that that's 0:03:52.600 --> 0:03:56.240 just been what we had to do. It's like we 0:03:56.400 --> 0:03:59.800 fight for each other, we love each other hard, and 0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:02.040 so I do that. I believe in that it's just 0:04:02.200 --> 0:04:02.480 in me. 0:04:02.840 --> 0:04:13.040 Give me, give cheers to she the people people. I 0:04:13.080 --> 0:04:17.840 didn't touch his because that's bad luck, did you? 0:04:17.920 --> 0:04:18.720 I got to put it on. 0:04:18.680 --> 0:04:21.600 This So you said, you remember coming up with the 0:04:21.640 --> 0:04:24.440 idea seven years ago. Do you remember like how it 0:04:24.480 --> 0:04:26.559 came to you, like what you what you were doing, 0:04:26.720 --> 0:04:28.320 or like the motions. 0:04:28.360 --> 0:04:32.279 Well, what had happened was so I grew up in 0:04:32.320 --> 0:04:39.279 San Francisco, Okay, and my girlfriend, London Breed, became the 0:04:39.320 --> 0:04:43.080 first black female mayor of the city of San Francisco, 0:04:43.160 --> 0:04:47.080 which was oh wow, huge, that is huge, huge. You know, 0:04:47.120 --> 0:04:50.920 it's one of the richest cities in the nation and 0:04:51.800 --> 0:04:54.880 the beautiful part of it. And what made me think like, oh, 0:04:54.920 --> 0:04:58.240 this would be an interesting show was London, like me, 0:04:58.520 --> 0:05:04.240 grew up in the hood, you know, very drug infested communities. 0:05:05.000 --> 0:05:07.040 We all know those par. 0:05:07.080 --> 0:05:09.279 San Francisco is very like rich but also the. 0:05:12.080 --> 0:05:14.600 Yeah, so she grew up in a neighborhood like that, 0:05:14.800 --> 0:05:20.440 just like I did. And watching her work her way 0:05:20.520 --> 0:05:24.560 up through just being in politics, and we're always watching 0:05:24.600 --> 0:05:27.440 and cheering her on, watching her on the news and whatnot. 0:05:28.279 --> 0:05:32.800 And when she became the when she became the mayor, 0:05:33.279 --> 0:05:36.560 it was so much pushback in the city against her, 0:05:38.360 --> 0:05:41.880 so much like they they made a special election have 0:05:42.040 --> 0:05:44.880 to happen because she was put in the position because 0:05:45.480 --> 0:05:50.600 the current mayor had died, and so she was superintendent 0:05:50.720 --> 0:05:54.440 of some I can't remember all her title, but she 0:05:54.720 --> 0:05:57.960 was to take over his position. She was the one 0:05:57.960 --> 0:05:59.200 that would finish out. 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:04.159 Yeah, and they act like you don't deserve it, and. 0:06:04.080 --> 0:06:08.480 So they yeah, they made her have a special election 0:06:08.880 --> 0:06:11.160 and all this stuff, everything that they were putting her through, 0:06:11.320 --> 0:06:14.760 and she won anyway, and then I was like, that 0:06:15.080 --> 0:06:18.200 is the ship. Oh my god, yes. 0:06:18.360 --> 0:06:18.600 So. 0:06:21.160 --> 0:06:24.880 What she No, he was Asian actually an agent man, 0:06:26.160 --> 0:06:29.880 and so just watching what she went through, knowing her background, 0:06:30.120 --> 0:06:33.000 I was like, a character like that would be amazing. 0:06:33.480 --> 0:06:35.919 And I'm a huge fan of Deep and so I 0:06:36.080 --> 0:06:39.600 was like, that would be great from our perspective, like 0:06:39.720 --> 0:06:43.560 our neighborhoods. It's yeah, because you come in with a 0:06:43.600 --> 0:06:48.880 different viewpoint, fighting for your folks, but still having to 0:06:49.000 --> 0:06:52.560 represent a city that is very much to play the 0:06:52.600 --> 0:06:55.680 game exactly. So I just thought it was prime for 0:06:55.800 --> 0:07:00.279 a perfect comedy and drama at the same time. And 0:07:00.320 --> 0:07:02.440 so that's where the ideal sparked. And that was like 0:07:02.600 --> 0:07:06.719 in twenty seventeen or something like that. I can't remember 0:07:06.760 --> 0:07:10.640 the executive but so that's what sparked the idea, and 0:07:10.680 --> 0:07:13.720 I just started like writing it down, just writing it 0:07:13.760 --> 0:07:16.440 down over the years. Then I wanted to team up 0:07:16.440 --> 0:07:20.640 with a writer. I met with several writers and finally 0:07:21.280 --> 0:07:24.240 got to Nya Palmer, who we just get each other. 0:07:24.440 --> 0:07:29.360 She's weird and wacky and super funny, and so we 0:07:29.640 --> 0:07:35.080 worked on it, developed it together during then, and then 0:07:35.120 --> 0:07:37.520 we just got busy with life, right, So I was 0:07:37.600 --> 0:07:40.440 working acting, I was directing, and so it was just 0:07:40.480 --> 0:07:44.000 kind of on the shelf. Urn yes, because when I 0:07:44.080 --> 0:07:46.160 did mention it to people and try to put it 0:07:46.200 --> 0:07:48.680 out into the world, everybody was like, no, we don't 0:07:48.720 --> 0:07:50.960 want to touch a political show. We don't want to 0:07:50.960 --> 0:07:53.600 do anything in politics. And I was like, okay, whatever, 0:07:54.160 --> 0:07:58.000 And just whenever people say that, I don't know. 0:07:58.640 --> 0:08:00.480 Because I just feel like it's part of every day, 0:08:00.520 --> 0:08:01.520 like politics is. 0:08:01.640 --> 0:08:10.720 Entertainment, Like yeah, it's unfortunately hilarious. Yeah yeah, Well that's 0:08:10.720 --> 0:08:14.080 why I think God's divine time, because it is the 0:08:14.120 --> 0:08:14.680 perfect time. 0:08:16.640 --> 0:08:18.760 It is the perfect time to come out now rather 0:08:18.800 --> 0:08:19.760 than seven years ago. 0:08:20.120 --> 0:08:21.880 Even if you look at our mayor here in New York, 0:08:22.000 --> 0:08:24.960 Eric Adams, and even if you look at like, look 0:08:25.000 --> 0:08:28.160 Mayor Cantrell, She's a black woman in New Orleans, and 0:08:28.200 --> 0:08:31.360 I feel like they target her because of that, Like 0:08:32.160 --> 0:08:34.200 you know, because I've actually seen her out and about. 0:08:34.240 --> 0:08:36.960 It's interesting because people will tell me, like I see 0:08:36.960 --> 0:08:39.480 her getting criticism for like being out being but it's 0:08:39.480 --> 0:08:42.960 New Orleans, how like the mayor should be out? 0:08:43.040 --> 0:08:45.640 I see, Yeah, it's like, what do you mean New Orleans. 0:08:45.679 --> 0:08:48.200 You're supposed to be a hermit, right. 0:08:48.120 --> 0:08:50.880 No, But but a large part of that is tourism 0:08:50.880 --> 0:08:53.040 too in New Orleans, like a large part of what happens, 0:08:53.280 --> 0:08:55.839 so going out and supporting business, Oh, the mayor's Like, 0:08:56.040 --> 0:08:57.760 if I own a business in New Orleans, I would 0:08:57.800 --> 0:08:59.440 be so excited for the mayor to come to my 0:08:59.559 --> 0:09:03.560 established and you know and toast to me like that's 0:09:03.600 --> 0:09:07.000 a big deal. And I think New York the same thing. 0:09:07.040 --> 0:09:08.679 Though I will say that because they call our mayor. 0:09:09.280 --> 0:09:13.360 There's other issues there. But earlier on, like the party mayor, 0:09:13.400 --> 0:09:16.000 I do think that having a mayor in New York, 0:09:16.000 --> 0:09:19.760 because nightlife is so big and small businesses are so big, 0:09:19.800 --> 0:09:22.600 and a lot of these establishments are small businesses, I 0:09:22.640 --> 0:09:25.600 do think any mayor we have should like, I don't 0:09:25.640 --> 0:09:28.280 see a problem with that, as long as you're not well. 0:09:28.440 --> 0:09:30.679 The thing is to me, man And also what I 0:09:30.720 --> 0:09:34.320 thought would be so interesting to tell this story is 0:09:34.800 --> 0:09:38.240 she's just a human being. She's still a woman, She's 0:09:38.280 --> 0:09:41.920 still you know, our character. She has kids, she has 0:09:42.000 --> 0:09:45.480 two teenage kids that she's co parenting with her ex husband. 0:09:45.840 --> 0:09:48.320 So we wanted to make her have to deal with 0:09:48.480 --> 0:09:51.679 real life stuff. But she still has a job that 0:09:51.760 --> 0:09:54.320 has an image that she has to uphold. But she 0:09:54.400 --> 0:09:56.920 still has regular stuff. 0:09:57.320 --> 0:09:59.440 And sometimes people will look down on you on politics 0:09:59.480 --> 0:10:01.520 as a woman who is not married. 0:10:01.679 --> 0:10:05.880 Oh yeah, we touch on all that. We touch on 0:10:06.000 --> 0:10:06.440 all the things. 0:10:07.520 --> 0:10:10.440 Bottom's former mayor in Atlanta, so she's part of this 0:10:10.520 --> 0:10:11.040 project too. 0:10:11.080 --> 0:10:14.600 She's a yes. So I mean how that happened? So 0:10:14.960 --> 0:10:20.120 what had happened was during the strike. When the strike 0:10:20.160 --> 0:10:23.199 happens in twenty twenty three, when everybody, all our jobs 0:10:23.240 --> 0:10:27.360 went away in the entertainment business. I called Naya and 0:10:27.400 --> 0:10:29.120 I was like, Naya, look, I know we're on strike, 0:10:29.679 --> 0:10:31.520 but what do you think about shooting a proof of 0:10:31.559 --> 0:10:35.120 concept now while we're on strike, So when the strike 0:10:35.240 --> 0:10:38.480 is over, we'll actually have something to show people as 0:10:38.520 --> 0:10:42.319 a pitch instead of us. Yeah, instead of just trying 0:10:42.320 --> 0:10:45.160 to tell people how to see our vision, let's show 0:10:45.240 --> 0:10:49.280 them the vision. And so she agreed, so we got 0:10:49.320 --> 0:10:53.120 to work on developing the show to shoot a proof 0:10:53.120 --> 0:10:55.800 of concept and I was like, well, if I want 0:10:55.800 --> 0:10:59.880 to stack it with as much gun power as possible, 0:11:00.360 --> 0:11:02.760 I need to attach somebody that is in this space 0:11:03.240 --> 0:11:10.679 to give our show some yes. So I tentively called 0:11:11.160 --> 0:11:15.280 Kisha Land's Bottoms and was like, Hey, this is Terry Javon. 0:11:17.160 --> 0:11:22.360 We do meet with me. She was like, yes, let's 0:11:22.400 --> 0:11:25.560 meet up. Let's go to breakfast, and so we met. 0:11:25.760 --> 0:11:28.640 I told her the idea, pitched the whole thing to 0:11:28.679 --> 0:11:31.880 her and she loved it and she was like, absolutely, 0:11:32.000 --> 0:11:33.720 I will join you. I want to be a part 0:11:33.760 --> 0:11:37.200 of this amazing and so once we got her on board, 0:11:37.559 --> 0:11:39.480 it was we were able to get the funding to 0:11:39.520 --> 0:11:41.760 shoot the proof of concept that we wanted to shoot, 0:11:42.559 --> 0:11:45.040 and I was like, look, I only want to shoot 0:11:45.080 --> 0:11:48.120 it if it can look like it could air. I 0:11:48.160 --> 0:11:51.760 needed to look exactly how we wanted to be, and 0:11:51.840 --> 0:11:54.040 so I got the team together. We have a dope 0:11:54.120 --> 0:12:00.200 ass team of people in Atlanta. Game together helped me 0:12:00.240 --> 0:12:03.920 shoot this, and we shot it. It came out exactly 0:12:03.960 --> 0:12:07.440 how I wanted to see it, and once the strike 0:12:07.559 --> 0:12:11.280 was over, my red agents sent it out and we 0:12:11.360 --> 0:12:12.920 got calls left and right. 0:12:13.200 --> 0:12:15.240 And you went with Tyler Perry and we did. 0:12:15.400 --> 0:12:18.240 We chose Skyler Perry. Now tell me why, I mean, 0:12:18.880 --> 0:12:20.520 and I'm not us. I just want to know. 0:12:20.600 --> 0:12:22.520 Yeah, tell me what was in your thinking when you 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:24.200 said we got calls but Taler Perry's. 0:12:24.600 --> 0:12:27.400 And it was a tough decision not to, you know, 0:12:27.800 --> 0:12:31.800 because this is had never happened to me before. So 0:12:31.880 --> 0:12:33.920 I've been doing this for a long time, right, I 0:12:33.960 --> 0:12:39.319 have pitched shows I saw you, Yeah, hundreds of shows, yes, 0:12:40.160 --> 0:12:43.079 And it's always, you know, the pitch. We get ourselves ready. 0:12:43.160 --> 0:12:48.160 So I'm getting me, Naya and Keisha. We're like getting 0:12:48.160 --> 0:12:51.319 our pitch together. We're rehearsing it so that we're ready 0:12:51.320 --> 0:12:54.880 for our meetings. First meet our first meeting actually was 0:12:54.920 --> 0:12:59.080 with Tyler Perry Studios. And so we get on the 0:12:59.080 --> 0:13:03.520 call and immediately we're ready to jump in and they are. 0:13:04.000 --> 0:13:06.520 They jump in and start telling us everything they love 0:13:06.559 --> 0:13:08.559 about the show and why we need to go with them. 0:13:08.800 --> 0:13:18.280 Oh wow. And that's so they made offer right there 0:13:18.280 --> 0:13:20.520 in our first meeting. Oh wow. And I was like, 0:13:20.559 --> 0:13:23.200 so this is like an offer, like y'all want the show? 0:13:23.559 --> 0:13:24.280 And they were like. 0:13:24.400 --> 0:13:27.800 Yeah, because the truth is I also don't mean it's 0:13:27.800 --> 0:13:28.880 gonna actually happen. 0:13:30.400 --> 0:13:34.240 Could keep you tied up one thousand percent. So they 0:13:34.360 --> 0:13:37.200 laid out all the reasons why we should go with them, 0:13:37.320 --> 0:13:40.839 and we were like, okay, we can. We get right 0:13:40.880 --> 0:13:43.719 back to you. We have some other meetings, right, and 0:13:43.840 --> 0:13:46.840 so we in every meeting and after that was the 0:13:46.880 --> 0:13:50.000 same thing that we were like, we already have tables 0:13:50.240 --> 0:13:52.760 and they were like, well, consider this offer number two. 0:13:53.320 --> 0:13:56.200 And it kept happening like it kept happening and. 0:13:57.520 --> 0:14:00.440 Was part of investing in doing that that it would 0:14:00.440 --> 0:14:02.800 have not run that way if we did not do that. 0:14:03.120 --> 0:14:06.160 So thank God for the thought dropping in my soul 0:14:06.559 --> 0:14:11.560 to do it. And so after you know, meeting with everybody, 0:14:11.559 --> 0:14:14.200 and these are all like amazing people, people that I 0:14:14.280 --> 0:14:17.960 have been wanting to work with for years, all of them. 0:14:18.280 --> 0:14:20.960 So it was a very hard decision for me. But 0:14:21.120 --> 0:14:24.520 just after all the conversations, going back to what you 0:14:24.640 --> 0:14:27.480 said about the offer and getting a deal doesn't mean 0:14:27.480 --> 0:14:30.160 that the show is actually gonna happen, right right. It 0:14:30.200 --> 0:14:34.240 could actually destroy it, can it can? It just can 0:14:34.880 --> 0:14:38.000 hold you up. And though everybody, I think everybody went 0:14:38.040 --> 0:14:40.480 in it with great intentions and I do think that 0:14:40.560 --> 0:14:42.600 they were really, you know, going to push for the 0:14:42.640 --> 0:14:45.680 show and support the show. The only one that really 0:14:45.760 --> 0:14:50.000 had the power to pull the trigger and go now. 0:14:51.360 --> 0:14:55.920 And after having like a couple of more meetings with 0:14:56.720 --> 0:15:01.800 Tyler himself and how he was just so supportive and 0:15:01.840 --> 0:15:05.479 wanted to be collaborative and asking us all these amazing questions, 0:15:06.320 --> 0:15:10.400 we were like, we feel safe with him. Yeah, we 0:15:10.480 --> 0:15:13.840 feel safe with him and so and you know, this 0:15:14.000 --> 0:15:17.800 is a part of a new entity for Tyler, his 0:15:17.960 --> 0:15:21.800 deal with Netflix, and it's been going well, it's been 0:15:21.800 --> 0:15:23.800 going amazing. 0:15:24.280 --> 0:15:27.280 Beauty Black, Yeah, yeah, And I was like, when are 0:15:27.280 --> 0:15:28.120 we gonna finish this? 0:15:28.760 --> 0:15:30.920 We were the first comedy that he was bringing to 0:15:31.000 --> 0:15:34.320 the network, and so we were it was all everything 0:15:34.400 --> 0:15:37.720 was fresh and new and exciting, and you know, they 0:15:37.760 --> 0:15:40.360 were the perfect partners for us. Just been amazing. 0:15:40.480 --> 0:15:43.000 Well again, congratulations, But I love like a lot of 0:15:43.040 --> 0:15:45.600 things that you touched on in that story, because, like 0:15:45.640 --> 0:15:48.320 you said, you've been pitching, pitching, pitching, prepping things, but 0:15:48.360 --> 0:15:51.600 then also having something to show, because sometimes a lot 0:15:51.640 --> 0:15:55.200 of people will have ideas, but having something to actually 0:15:55.280 --> 0:15:57.040 be like, here's what it's going. 0:15:57.040 --> 0:15:57.600 To look like. 0:15:57.920 --> 0:16:00.720 Yeah, that makes all the difference, right. 0:16:00.680 --> 0:16:03.680 Yeah, facts, I think so, because when you're you're trying 0:16:03.720 --> 0:16:06.520 to get somebody to see what you see in your 0:16:06.560 --> 0:16:08.600 head and you're telling them you're talking. 0:16:08.640 --> 0:16:09.640 Talk to imagine it. 0:16:10.640 --> 0:16:16.680 Look at this film that Yeah, so that made the 0:16:16.840 --> 0:16:19.920 huge difference. That made the huge difference. And then going 0:16:19.960 --> 0:16:22.760 with him and him seeing our what our vision was, 0:16:23.320 --> 0:16:25.520 and then Tyler adding his sauce. 0:16:25.960 --> 0:16:28.120 It just it was just you know, you talk a 0:16:28.160 --> 0:16:31.000 lot about mental health awareness as well, and I've seen 0:16:31.040 --> 0:16:34.160 that's something that you platform too. How is it because 0:16:34.160 --> 0:16:36.600 I can't imagine what it's like when you're like, it's 0:16:36.600 --> 0:16:39.040 like going on job interviews and you have to keep 0:16:39.040 --> 0:16:41.000 on pitching yourself and then you. 0:16:41.000 --> 0:16:42.360 Feel like, you know, you're amazing. 0:16:42.400 --> 0:16:44.880 You know you have an amazing idea and sometimes people 0:16:45.000 --> 0:16:47.400 just can't see it. You know what does that do? 0:16:47.440 --> 0:16:49.560 Because Akim, I know you're also like, look, put me 0:16:49.640 --> 0:16:50.400 on a TV show. 0:16:52.600 --> 0:16:53.560 But it is. 0:16:53.560 --> 0:16:55.720 Sometimes like we can laugh about it, but sometimes it 0:16:55.800 --> 0:16:58.800 is really really difficult, and it's not easy on your 0:16:58.800 --> 0:16:59.440 ego too. 0:16:59.480 --> 0:17:02.920 It's a little I mean, it's a difficult business. It 0:17:02.960 --> 0:17:07.679 really is, because like this project and many other ones, 0:17:07.840 --> 0:17:11.520 it's like we're putting ourselves like, this is my heart, 0:17:11.720 --> 0:17:16.520 this is my you know, my my voice, my heart, 0:17:16.640 --> 0:17:19.320 my vision, and I'm giving it to you. I'm pouring 0:17:19.359 --> 0:17:22.200 it out to you and you're like, Nope, don't want it. Yeah, 0:17:22.359 --> 0:17:26.280 don't want it. Yeah, it is a strike to your ego. 0:17:26.359 --> 0:17:29.920 But it's the business. That's why I think for everybody, 0:17:30.000 --> 0:17:32.679 you've got to have thick skin, and it is super 0:17:32.880 --> 0:17:39.800 important to take care of yourself mentally, spiritually, physically, because 0:17:39.840 --> 0:17:43.120 it takes a toll. It totally takes a toll. So 0:17:43.200 --> 0:17:48.720 I am an advocate of my my exercise, my mental workouts, 0:17:48.800 --> 0:17:52.359 my meditation, what I read, what I listen to, my 0:17:52.480 --> 0:17:56.480 prayer time, all of it is is a huge part 0:17:56.520 --> 0:18:06.200 of my life. You look amazing, Thank you. I can't enough. 0:18:06.400 --> 0:18:09.679 And then also being married, Yes, how does that? 0:18:10.000 --> 0:18:11.760 And that's stressful too. 0:18:15.119 --> 0:18:17.840 No, because last night I was I was my favorite 0:18:17.880 --> 0:18:21.080 restaurant and these two guys were having a little kiki 0:18:21.760 --> 0:18:24.600 and one of them said that he doesn't believe that 0:18:24.680 --> 0:18:28.159 there's any such thing as a happy marriage. When you 0:18:28.160 --> 0:18:30.880 think about that, I mean, he. 0:18:31.000 --> 0:18:32.479 Was like, yeah, is he married? 0:18:32.600 --> 0:18:34.960 He was married? Yeah, damn well he's unhappy. 0:18:35.160 --> 0:18:39.800 Yeah he's unhappy. No, I think that I am extremely 0:18:39.880 --> 0:18:44.320 happy in my marriage right now. I think it goes 0:18:44.400 --> 0:18:50.480 through stages like life, like life one thousand percent, and 0:18:50.720 --> 0:18:54.040 there's there's growth. It's two different human beings, two different 0:18:54.080 --> 0:18:59.520 journeys have come together, two different upbringings to different thought patterns. 0:19:00.119 --> 0:19:02.000 And then you also have things happening in your life 0:19:02.000 --> 0:19:05.000 that you can bring back into a relations We're like 0:19:05.080 --> 0:19:08.679 to whole people coming into you know, kind of coming together, 0:19:08.760 --> 0:19:11.359 and sometimes you might have something, he might have something 0:19:11.359 --> 0:19:11.760 going on. 0:19:12.040 --> 0:19:14.520 Yep, and it just kind of rocks the boat. It does. 0:19:14.960 --> 0:19:18.199 But it's but you have to realize that that is 0:19:18.240 --> 0:19:21.840 just a normal progression in life. Whether you're by yourself 0:19:22.119 --> 0:19:24.840 or you're with somebody, you're still gonna grow. You're still 0:19:24.840 --> 0:19:28.240 gonna uh. You know, you used to do this, but 0:19:28.280 --> 0:19:29.879 now you don't do that anymore. Now you do this, 0:19:30.440 --> 0:19:33.040 but you're always gonna do that. As long as you're living, 0:19:33.080 --> 0:19:37.160 you're going to grow and change constantly. And in a marriage, 0:19:37.320 --> 0:19:40.320 that's what makes marriage so difficult. It's because now it's 0:19:40.359 --> 0:19:44.160 two people and everybody nobody is growing at the same 0:19:44.280 --> 0:19:46.760 exact time. Sometimes you're up here and they're down here, 0:19:46.800 --> 0:19:48.440 and then they come up here and they go up there, 0:19:48.440 --> 0:19:53.840 and then it's about giving grace. It's about knowing that 0:19:53.840 --> 0:19:58.440 that is a natural human way of being. So let 0:19:58.480 --> 0:20:01.439 me let you be a natural human and grow at 0:20:01.480 --> 0:20:05.800 your time and I'll step back. Do you think you 0:20:05.840 --> 0:20:09.000 know whatever it is? And I also think that people 0:20:09.080 --> 0:20:14.119 go into marriage with the particular ideas of what marriage 0:20:14.200 --> 0:20:16.080 is supposed to be. I'm like, you got to throw 0:20:16.400 --> 0:20:19.560 everything out that you have never learned, whatever church I 0:20:19.600 --> 0:20:22.080 told you, your mom told you. You throw it all out 0:20:22.280 --> 0:20:25.520 and create what marriage is for you in your house. 0:20:26.840 --> 0:20:30.440 That that's what I think why people are in unhappy 0:20:30.440 --> 0:20:33.359 marriages because they're trying to fit into a box that 0:20:33.400 --> 0:20:34.200 doesn't fit them. 0:20:34.320 --> 0:20:36.040 How did you know he was the one? 0:20:36.280 --> 0:20:36.760 I didn't. 0:20:40.359 --> 0:20:42.720 He told me how long have you guys been married? 0:20:42.920 --> 0:20:46.280 Seventeen years? Yeah, we've been married seventeen years. But this 0:20:46.400 --> 0:20:50.399 is my second marriage, and so I always said I 0:20:50.400 --> 0:20:56.600 would never get married again. I had no desires immediately 0:20:57.119 --> 0:21:00.280 as soon as I said never, How long was there first? 0:21:00.280 --> 0:21:00.480 One? 0:21:00.960 --> 0:21:05.880 Uh? Five years? And then the divorce started, so by 0:21:06.080 --> 0:21:09.959 six we were it was final. Divorce is like, it's terrible, 0:21:10.000 --> 0:21:11.480 and that's why I didn't want to get married again. 0:21:11.600 --> 0:21:14.680 It wasn't about the marriage. It was about the process. Yeah, 0:21:14.960 --> 0:21:16.879 And I'm like, okay, so if I get married to 0:21:16.920 --> 0:21:19.239 somebody and I don't like them anymore, we break up. 0:21:19.320 --> 0:21:21.359 I don't go with you no more. Now it's all 0:21:21.440 --> 0:21:29.639 this drama in business. And I just thought that was 0:21:29.720 --> 0:21:31.360 so do we think there? 0:21:31.480 --> 0:21:32.520 Yeah, that was. 0:21:34.760 --> 0:21:37.520 So weird. I'm not doing that. 0:21:37.560 --> 0:21:39.320 But at the same time, you know, I guess that 0:21:39.440 --> 0:21:42.119 part of that is like them not wanting you. We 0:21:42.359 --> 0:21:45.840 got snatched, yeah, the divorced us. Yeah, but I just 0:21:47.000 --> 0:21:48.600 but at the same time, I guess they don't want 0:21:48.600 --> 0:21:51.320 you to make it so easy, you know what I'm saying, 0:21:51.640 --> 0:21:53.080 because it's not like breaking up. 0:21:53.119 --> 0:21:55.480 Yeah, because it's not breaking up, Yeah, which is. 0:21:56.040 --> 0:21:58.440 Okay, so go ahead. Well it's business, so that I'm learned. 0:21:58.680 --> 0:22:03.000 So okay, marriages the freaking business with paperwork. You got 0:22:03.000 --> 0:22:04.840 a file, papers, you got to get a low wayer, 0:22:05.080 --> 0:22:07.680 all the things. So that's what made me not want to. 0:22:08.920 --> 0:22:12.240 So I met my husband in the midst of my divorce. 0:22:16.119 --> 0:22:17.639 He did, but he was done by the time I met. 0:22:17.720 --> 0:22:19.040 Okay, how did you gute meet? 0:22:19.800 --> 0:22:22.520 We met? I was doing a play. I was doing 0:22:22.560 --> 0:22:26.040 a play and uh, tank was in the play. 0:22:26.040 --> 0:22:27.800 And he decided a Tank, who was just in Hell's 0:22:27.880 --> 0:22:29.880 kitchen too, we came out to see him. 0:22:29.960 --> 0:22:32.399 Yeah, so they're very good friends. So when I was 0:22:32.400 --> 0:22:34.600 doing the play with Tank, that's how I met. 0:22:34.480 --> 0:22:36.679 Him right in his seat one day and went viral. 0:22:36.760 --> 0:22:37.880 But that's another. 0:22:37.720 --> 0:22:48.600