Speaker 1: Warning. This podcast contains spoilers from Moonnight episode five, as
Speaker 1: well as theories for Doctor Stranger of the Multiverse of Madness,
Speaker 1: as well as some plot points from various comic book runs.
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Speaker 1: potentially spoil for you. If you don't want to be
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Speaker 1: Jason Concepcion. Welcome to Expert Vision The Crooked podcast, where
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Speaker 1: we will talk about lots of news that is hitting
Speaker 1: the internet waves this week, including some interesting news from
Speaker 1: the MCU out of CinemaCon. In the Airlock, our good
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Speaker 1: talk about comics in general, what we're reading, and also
Speaker 1: get together and kind of help us brainstorm a reading
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Speaker 1: me right now is the Walking Comics genius, the writer
Speaker 1: of a Godzilla comic coming out soon, one of the
Speaker 1: best to ever do it. It's Rosie night, Rosie. How
Speaker 1: are you hello?
Speaker 2: I'm good, I'm good.
Speaker 1: How are you doing good? Let's get into it first
Speaker 1: up and previously on shocking news Batman sequel greenlit I
Speaker 1: Can't Believe, with director Matt Reeves and star Robert Pattinson
Speaker 1: returna of Course. This announcement has been made at Simmacon,
Speaker 1: the ongoing convention of upcoming movie properties that is going
Speaker 1: on in Las Vegas right now. The movie, of Course,
Speaker 1: has been a critical and commercial success, having made the
Speaker 1: over seven hundred million dollars on the trot right now.
Speaker 1: No surprises here, right, Rosie, No surprises here, No especially.
Speaker 2: I think it was very well received from all different
Speaker 2: kinds of people. People who love these movies, people who
Speaker 2: don't love them, people who love certain iterations of the DCU,
Speaker 2: people who love different ones. It was widely enjoyed, widely beloved.
Speaker 2: Robert was great, Matt did a great job, and they,
Speaker 2: obviously spoiler alert introduced a very big famous Batman antagonist.
Speaker 2: So I think this was always meant to happen, and
Speaker 2: then the critical and commercial love for it makes it
Speaker 2: easy to happen. I'm excited see what happens next. I
Speaker 2: thought that movie was so great.
Speaker 1: Does Robert Pattins's Batman become like the Batman in a
Speaker 1: shared DC universe or what do they do?
Speaker 2: I think Reeve's universe acts as a year one, year two,
Speaker 2: zero year.
Speaker 1: Ish soft reboot.
Speaker 2: I think that in the major DCEU stuff that we
Speaker 2: still have going on, like for example, the Flash, which
Speaker 2: we know we'll probably introduce a new Justice League and
Speaker 2: kind of mainline characters, I think they're going to be
Speaker 2: looking for something a little bit different, a little bit younger. Also,
Speaker 2: with a Keaton returning, you could have someone like that
Speaker 2: as your main Batman who's more of a Batman Beyond,
Speaker 2: like era of Bruce, rather than being the actual Batman Beyond.
Speaker 2: But so I don't know. I think Matt's vision is
Speaker 2: so specific and unique, and I think they'll let them
Speaker 2: have a couple more movies before it becomes too entangled
Speaker 2: with the wider DCEU.
Speaker 1: Next up, Kevin Faige is representing Marvel of course at Sinemacon,
Speaker 1: and there's some interesting news out of there. First of all,
Speaker 1: Figi told the audience that directly after the convention he's
Speaker 1: going to a Marvel Studio's creative retreat where they will
Speaker 1: work on the next decade of MCU work. This mirrors
Speaker 1: the famed Marvel retreats that have been going on at
Speaker 1: least since the two thousands in Marvel Comics Universe. No
Speaker 1: surprise here, right, this is just kind of what you
Speaker 1: ca Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think it's really interesting. I think we can guess
Speaker 2: the big hitters that they're going to be talking about.
Speaker 2: How do you bring in the Fantastic Four, how do
Speaker 2: you bring in the X Men, who's going to be
Speaker 2: the next Avengers team. What I'm very interested in is
Speaker 2: in the original iteration of the MCU, there was a
Speaker 2: story group that included comic book creators. Yeah, and that
Speaker 2: has since been, to our knowledge, kind of disbanded. And
Speaker 2: I wonder if they're doing a retreat, we're going to
Speaker 2: see some kind of story group re enlisted, whether it's
Speaker 2: comic book creators or people from the Marvel TV shows
Speaker 2: or a wider group of people. Because usually if you're
Speaker 2: having a retreat, that's a brainstorming session to break this
Speaker 2: stuff out. I think that means we could probably be
Speaker 2: getting a Marvel likes to do those big days. They
Speaker 2: used to do them at the Al Capitan, Whew, they
Speaker 2: announced them. Now they do them as these kind of
Speaker 2: Disney preview days where they tease stuff. I think we
Speaker 2: could be get in one of those in the next
Speaker 2: few months if this retreat is happening.
Speaker 1: Some footage was apparently showed to the gathered throngs of Sizzle,
Speaker 1: real footage that has been described as it's unclear if
Speaker 1: it's like a still or a few seconds of video,
Speaker 1: but it's been described as Nakia, Shuri and Okoye involved
Speaker 1: in some kind of big battle, So that is very exciting.
Speaker 1: Marvel Studio's president, Kevin Faigie also promised that Ryan Cooler
Speaker 1: is working very hard on the sequel. No no surprise there.
Speaker 1: And of course around this movie, there have been rumors
Speaker 1: swirling for a while that we will we will be
Speaker 1: introduced to some Marvel comics mainstays, probably Liner among them
Speaker 1: is nay More, the leader of Atlantis, King of Atlantis,
Speaker 1: and then of course Rary Williams, the genius of the
Speaker 1: Marvel universe, also known as Ironheart, who will also be
Speaker 1: appearing her own Disney Plus series these are. That's unconfirmed,
Speaker 1: but that's stuff people have been talking about for a while,
Speaker 1: much in the same way that they were talking about
Speaker 1: the Illuminati for months and months and months before. It
Speaker 1: was very hard confirmed by the recent Doctor Strange trailer
Speaker 1: and speaking of Doctor Strange, Doctor Strange band in Saudi
Speaker 1: Arabia over Disney's decision to not cut about twelve seconds
Speaker 1: apparently this is reported by the Guardian twelve seconds from
Speaker 1: the film that Deal with America Chavez played by the
Speaker 1: actor so Shiel Gomez, in which America is discussing her
Speaker 1: two moms. So, I guess shouts to Disney for deciding
Speaker 1: not to cut. That not a big deal.
Speaker 2: So that's probably the only gay thing in the movie,
Speaker 2: So prepare yourself. If that was what they asked to
Speaker 2: be cut, that's probably the extension.
Speaker 1: I think we will all probably be surprised at how
Speaker 1: mild it is. And that is Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 2: It makes sense with her comic book canon, she has
Speaker 2: Quinn Mom's utopian parallels very gay, so it's nice to
Speaker 2: know that they're sticking to that. Yeah, I'm intrigued. Good
Speaker 2: to see little things like refusing the cut like this
Speaker 2: I hope there's something more, but we shall see.
Speaker 1: And then finally new Doctor Strange trailer, probably the last
Speaker 1: New Doctor Strange stuff we're going to see, considering the
Speaker 1: movie comes out May sixth, and you know, it's a
Speaker 1: mishmash of cuts that we've already seen. But the important
Speaker 1: thing is we hear the word Illuminati spoken in this
Speaker 1: by Baron Morto, leading us to question a lot of things,
Speaker 1: including like, man, how did Morto get get his like
Speaker 1: ticket punched to club Illuminati before Steven Strange? Very interesting?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, is it our universe? Is Mordo? Is
Speaker 2: this a Mordo who was the Soorcers Supreme in a
Speaker 2: different universe? Is this a Mordo who has been enlisted
Speaker 2: by the Illuminati because for some reason they couldn't trust
Speaker 2: Strange and they needed someone to kind of be a counterpart.
Speaker 2: Is it a Baron Mordo who they need him to
Speaker 2: have more of that complex gray moral compass. Yeah, to
Speaker 2: do things that maybe Stephen wouldn't do. It's very interesting,
Speaker 2: and I think it is. I can't work out if
Speaker 2: it's a massive reveal or a massive mysdirect that they
Speaker 2: mention it. I'm like, what does this mean? For the Illuminati.
Speaker 2: Are they going to be a key part? Is this?
Speaker 2: Do they know people are excited? I it was. It
Speaker 2: got me excited.
Speaker 1: So what I am extremely excited and my my gut
Speaker 1: feeling tells me that they're going to be like one
Speaker 1: scene and that's right. You know it's gonna be like
Speaker 1: the name.
Speaker 2: Yeah, as soon as they said the name, I was like,
Speaker 2: that feels like we're going to see them for maybe
Speaker 2: one scene, but I'll be happy.
Speaker 3: With the ones.
Speaker 1: I will be very very happy. Listen, if we see
Speaker 1: Patrick Stewart in that little shiny head of his as
Speaker 1: Charles Xavier up on that little Illuminati stage, I will
Speaker 1: be very very excited. Okay, dude.
Speaker 2: The way that people responded in the theater when like,
Speaker 2: you know, we saw Charlie Cox as Daredevil or we
Speaker 2: saw you know, the Spider Man come back, there's no
Speaker 2: like if it's gonna be Charles, that's gonna be ten
Speaker 2: thousand times louder in that theater and I cannot wait.
Speaker 1: It's gonna go absolutely crazy. Okay, and by the way,
Speaker 1: stay tuned X Revision for more Doctor Strange to the
Speaker 1: Multiverse Menace coverage. Okay, let's recap Moonnight, Episode five Asylum,
Speaker 1: directed by Mohammed Diab, written by Rebecca Kersh and Matthew Orton.
Speaker 1: This was a just in terms of like performances. This
Speaker 1: is a tour de force for Oscar Isaac. We pick
Speaker 1: up right at the end of episode four, where Mark
Speaker 1: and Stephen On themselves face to face with the Egyptian
Speaker 1: god Tarowett, a hippo deity. The hippodity having said oh
Speaker 1: hi to the two men Stephen and Mark, who are
Speaker 1: of course the same band, leading them to scream, leading
Speaker 1: the hippo to scream, and we pick up right after
Speaker 1: that only Mark is back in Arthur Harrow's office, and
Speaker 1: right before that we have these little flashes of what
Speaker 1: we take to be like memories. Right we have a
Speaker 1: child screaming in a dark place somewhere. We hear a
Speaker 1: woman saying this is all your fault. And then Mark
Speaker 1: finds himself back in Arthur's office. Arthur mentions and Mark,
Speaker 1: You're in a mental hospital in Chicago and your mind,
Speaker 1: your reason, your hero is because your mind keeps whips
Speaker 1: on between these disconnected fantasies that you have created or
Speaker 1: to deal with some kind of trauma. Let's get to
Speaker 1: the center of what that trauma is, Mark, You're ready,
Speaker 1: And Mark's like, I don't know, because I don't believe
Speaker 1: that you're a real doctor. I think you're Arthur Harrow,
Speaker 1: the genocidalmaniac who's trying to wake Amet. Arthur asks Mark
Speaker 1: to like, okay, so how did you get here? Do
Speaker 1: you remember that? And Mark admits, which I think is
Speaker 1: a big step for him, that you listen, things are
Speaker 1: happening that are completely nonsensical and I don't necessarily know
Speaker 1: how to put all the pieces together. Arthur wants Mark
Speaker 1: to talk more about the little boy that he was
Speaker 1: apparently mentioning before we pick up the scene and before
Speaker 1: the hippo character diverted him. Mark grows violent. He like
Speaker 1: tries to fight with some orderlies. The orderlies managed to
Speaker 1: stick a needle in his neck, and next thing you know,
Speaker 1: he's back in front of Taroette with Stephen, and Tarowett
Speaker 1: asks Steven and Mark, you know, it's like, Mark, al
Speaker 1: is this intense? Tarowit then tells the two guess what, surprise,
Speaker 1: You're dead. Both of you our dead. This is now
Speaker 1: a second real like interaction with people in a post
Speaker 1: life plane. The ancestry plane from Black Panther being the
Speaker 1: first time, but this is like our first extended time
Speaker 1: since then at in a world that is post life,
Speaker 1: leading to a question of like, when do we see someone?
Speaker 1: When do we see someone resurrected? Because it's going to happen.
Speaker 1: I mean, it arguably is going to happen right here,
Speaker 1: but I wonder if it happens with a major character
Speaker 1: at some point. Rosie. Of course, like our character, our
Speaker 1: friends in these stories have died and come back many
Speaker 1: many times in the comics, I wonder when it happens
Speaker 1: in the main movies.
Speaker 2: I think we're close to it, and I think that
Speaker 2: this episode specifically leans into that because, as we'll get
Speaker 2: to in a bit, we meet Mark's brother and the
Speaker 2: version that we see of him here is very different.
Speaker 2: But in the comics, that is a character who has
Speaker 2: died and been resurrected, and the idea of resurrection and
Speaker 2: the kind of shadow of it over this episode is
Speaker 2: really there. So I think that could be something we
Speaker 2: see in Doctor Strange. We've seen versions of it and
Speaker 2: what if with the zombies. So yeah, it feels like
Speaker 2: they're bringing in these multiple levels of existent some past
Speaker 2: life in a way that's going to play into the
Speaker 2: future of the MCU.
Speaker 1: Tarott then welcomes them to do at this place where
Speaker 1: souls begin their journey to the afterlife. It is one
Speaker 1: of many places such places, Tarrowett mentions, much like the
Speaker 1: ancestral plane, and the reason they perceive this place as
Speaker 1: a mental hospital is because their minds, their human minds
Speaker 1: can't possibly make sense of where they are the shades
Speaker 1: of Shades of Harry Potter book seven, but like you
Speaker 1: can't possibly understand where they are. Therefore they're making it
Speaker 1: into a place that makes sense to them. Thus the
Speaker 1: hospital Mark then is like, I can't deal with this.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm out of here. He throws open a
Speaker 1: pair of doors, and he finds himself on the deck
Speaker 1: of this huge ship that is sailing across the sands
Speaker 1: of the underworld, and they're on their way to ru
Speaker 1: which is like the eternal paradise field of reeds. Tarawett says.
Speaker 1: She reaches into their chests and pulls out these little
Speaker 1: ivory hearts stone hearts, which she will then weigh in
Speaker 1: order to see if they're balanced, if the things that
Speaker 1: they've done throughout their lives have led to their deeds
Speaker 1: being balanced, and thus they are able to be admitted
Speaker 1: into the Field of Reeds. And if they're not found worthy,
Speaker 1: no big deal. They're just thrown over the side into
Speaker 1: the sands where they are like torn apart by the
Speaker 1: other unworthy souls who lurk there in the underworld. So
Speaker 1: not a big deal. But here's a problem. The hearts
Speaker 1: that Tarawet removed because they're from one person who has
Speaker 1: been split somehow, broken somehow, they're not whole, and thus
Speaker 1: Stephen and Mark can't get into the underworld. Steven and
Speaker 1: Mark need to reunite their fractured pieces of soul, pieces
Speaker 1: of heart, and balance the scales before they arrive at
Speaker 1: the Field of Reeds. Quick note, this little line from
Speaker 1: Tarawt was a rate. Okay, here's the mission for the
Speaker 1: rest of the episode, like it's it's like it was
Speaker 1: a great here's what they're doing line. If they fail again,
Speaker 1: no big deal, their souls will just simply be destroyed.
Speaker 1: Good news. Everything that they have ever experienced is on
Speaker 1: the ship, all their memories are on their ship. So
Speaker 1: it's time to go back inside this faux mental hospital
Speaker 1: and just like learn about each other. Mark is very resistant.
Speaker 1: He doesn't want to do this. He and Stephen are
Speaker 1: discussing it, and Steven's like, no, I think we should
Speaker 1: do this is a good idea, Like we need to
Speaker 1: find out like with the secrets that you're hiding are,
Speaker 1: with the secrets you buried are And Mark is like,
Speaker 1: I don't know what if we like like attack Tarouet,
Speaker 1: the Egyptian god of women and children, and maybe like
Speaker 1: tire her up and take take the ship. Mark, classic mom,
Speaker 1: classic Mark, No, don't do that. Steven says, no, We're
Speaker 1: not gonna do that. We're gonna do what she says.
Speaker 1: And then he then sees like a strange through a
Speaker 1: window and door he scenes Moonnight in action kicking ass
Speaker 1: and through another window he uh. They see Stephen and
Speaker 1: Kanshu turning back the stars as Leilah watches. Then they
Speaker 1: hear the boy again in some kind of terror. Uh.
Speaker 1: They enter a cafeteria that is filled with dead bodies
Speaker 1: and these apparently are all the people that Mark has
Speaker 1: killed over the course of his of his service, well
Speaker 1: of the course of his life, including his service to Kanshu.
Speaker 1: And guess what, it's a lot of people, folks, It's
Speaker 1: a cat.
Speaker 2: He killed a lot of people, and let's let's keep
Speaker 2: that in mind, because I have some thoughts about the
Speaker 2: end of this episode. So let's keep in mind how
Speaker 2: many people Marks back to killed.
Speaker 1: It's even marked. It's a cafeteria worth of people, like
Speaker 1: it's legitimately a full cafeteria people. Mark insists, Listen, these
Speaker 1: were bad folks, as far as I know, bad people
Speaker 1: Marked by the vengeance of Kanshu were notably leaving out
Speaker 1: any of the people he killed as a mercenary. Okay uh.
Speaker 1: But interesting fact, once this detail about Mark has been revealed,
Speaker 1: the scales, which had been kind of like going back
Speaker 1: and forth unbalanced, are now beginning to slow. This process
Speaker 1: of revealing, of working through these past memories is working.
Speaker 1: The child that they've been hearing now appears in the room.
Speaker 1: Stephen goes after him. Mark is like, don't do that,
Speaker 1: and Stephen looks in a room of Mark's memories and
Speaker 1: discovers Mark. This boy is Mark as a boy, and
Speaker 1: we see Mark as a boy with his parents and
Speaker 1: his little brother. Mark's mom is telling Mark, listen, you've
Speaker 1: got young Mark. You've got to watch over your little brother.
Speaker 1: That's your job. That is your responsibility. The boys then
Speaker 1: go off through the woods down into a cave which
Speaker 1: they are looking to explore, and a rainstorm, A flash
Speaker 1: thunderstorm happens and the cave quickly fills with water, flooding
Speaker 1: and Mark's brother dies. Our Mark then enters a memory
Speaker 1: of his family sitting shim brother. Mark's mom, Wendy, blames
Speaker 1: the death explicitly on Mark, like straight up is like
Speaker 1: that's your act, which is fucked up. Mark's father remains
Speaker 1: over the course of time, we would surmise close to Mark,
Speaker 1: but his mother is increasingly hateful, clearly depressed and vengeful,
Speaker 1: lashing out all the time. We see young Mark flee
Speaker 1: into his bedroom. Stephen tries to go and see what's
Speaker 1: gonna go on there, but Mark won't let him go
Speaker 1: see it. We get another memory of younger Mark, teenage
Speaker 1: Mark now leaving home with his father insisting, listen, your
Speaker 1: mother's gonna get help. I know that she's in a
Speaker 1: bad way right now, very toxic, but like she's gonna
Speaker 1: get help, you shouldn't leave. Mark then takes Stephen away
Speaker 1: from this memory. They end up in an even more
Speaker 1: troubling memory. Dead bodies in the desert at night in
Speaker 1: front of the tomb of kan Chu, and this, of
Speaker 1: course is the Faithful Knight from Mark's Mercenary Days where
Speaker 1: he first makes the acquaintance of Kanchu. One of the
Speaker 1: dead there laying under the moon is Laylah's dad. Whoops,
Speaker 1: Mark grievously wounded as preparing to take his own knife,
Speaker 1: and then here's the voice of Kanchu and kan She's like, hey,
Speaker 1: uh wow, you're a really fucked up person with a
Speaker 1: lot of problems, and I'm sensing, you know, a fractured psyche.
Speaker 1: You're perfect. You're perfect for what I have in mind,
Speaker 1: which is you are my hands, my eyes, my vengeance,
Speaker 1: my final word against evildoers on Earth. Uh so that's
Speaker 1: the deal you serve me on Earth. I heal you,
Speaker 1: you go out and kill people for me, or you
Speaker 1: die right here. And so Mark takes a deal. Kan Hu. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, clearly a very exploitive person. Stephen points this
Speaker 1: out to Mark, like Kanchu was an asshole, like kan
Speaker 1: Chu saw a mentally ill person who was bad and
Speaker 1: decided I can exploit this person. And yes, Mark says
Speaker 1: he did that, but he also kept us alive. And
Speaker 1: then suddenly the scales are balanced. Outside in the duot,
Speaker 1: a storm is brewding. They go back up to the
Speaker 1: deck of the ship and Taro d is like, you
Speaker 1: see all these purple things raining from the sky. Guess
Speaker 1: what that is? That's people that Haro is killing up
Speaker 1: in the real world, just as he promised to do.
Speaker 1: Mark and Stephen then asked Tarawett, okay, send us back,
Speaker 1: like we can stop him, like send us back to life.
Speaker 1: And before you do that, get a message to Laila
Speaker 1: to free Kanshu so that you know, like when we
Speaker 1: go back into a body filled with bullets, Kanshu can
Speaker 1: put the suit on us and heal us and we'll
Speaker 1: come back and we can and we can fight Arthur Harrow.
Speaker 1: Taro d is like, that's a bad idea because you
Speaker 1: were both just coming to the place where you realize
Speaker 1: that Kanhu is like bad for you, like Kadju's like
Speaker 1: a bad person to be involved with. But okay, like
Speaker 1: I guess what choice do we have. She turns the
Speaker 1: boat around. Stephen wants to go back into that bedroom memory.
Speaker 1: Mark resists. Stephen says, listen, if all these people die,
Speaker 1: because you won't let me see this memory, that's going
Speaker 1: to be your fault. If Layla dies, it's going to
Speaker 1: be your fault. All that stuff is going to be
Speaker 1: your fault. Now, of course, this is exactly the same
Speaker 1: thing that his mother, Mark's mother said to him, and
Speaker 1: that was kind of the beginning of this traumatic break,
Speaker 1: and it causes Mark to just crumble. He shatters. He
Speaker 1: finds himself back in Arthur Harrow's office. Arthur raises the
Speaker 1: possibility that Stephen was created by Mark to hide trauma,
Speaker 1: which turns out to be.
Speaker 3: Very very right.
Speaker 1: Haro wants Mark to open up to Steven so that
Speaker 1: Stephen can understand the things that Mark is hiding from Stephen,
Speaker 1: that Mark created Stephen to hide from himself. We go
Speaker 1: to the room Mark's childhood room, and in there we
Speaker 1: see an appalling scene Mark's mom abusing him physically. Stephen
Speaker 1: is a Paul discovered that not only this terribly troubling,
Speaker 1: violent scene, but also that he kind of doesn't exist,
Speaker 1: like he's not a quote unquote real person. He is
Speaker 1: a creation of Mark, created specifically to hide this trauma.
Speaker 1: And then now Stephen finds himself in Harrow's office. Haro
Speaker 1: wants to call Steven's mother on the phone to discuss
Speaker 1: this situation and Steven's like, ah, don't do that. Haro
Speaker 1: then gets her on the phone and he's talking to her.
Speaker 1: Stephen realizes, wait, that can't be because Mark's mother is
Speaker 1: my mother, and Mark's mother is dead. Therefore she is dead. Therefore,
Speaker 1: all of my memories of having a great relationship with
Speaker 1: my mom and all these phone calls I was having
Speaker 1: with her from the museum and from my apartment, those
Speaker 1: are all fake. That's not real. We see then the
Speaker 1: memory of Mark at his outside his mother's shiva. They
Speaker 1: see the moment that Stephen took over from Mark outside
Speaker 1: outside the shiva, and this is apparently only two months prior,
Speaker 1: which is wild. Stephen then lets Mark know that their
Speaker 1: brother's death was not his fault. And back on the ship,
Speaker 1: the unbalanced souls of the duot begin to climb onto
Speaker 1: the deck. Mark and Stephen fight that you fight together,
Speaker 1: but in the end Stephen falls overboard and Mark's creation dies,
Speaker 1: thus balancing the scales, and Mark enters the field of reeds.
Speaker 1: Cue the credits, Rosie, your thoughts.
Speaker 2: Okay, So these making shows about this stuff is very complex,
Speaker 2: and sometimes it's going to be for some people, and
Speaker 2: sometimes it's not the representation and way they chose to
Speaker 2: go for it in this episode didn't particularly work for me,
Speaker 2: and a major part of it hangs on the final thing.
Speaker 2: So if you're deemed worthy to go through to the
Speaker 2: Field of Reeds due to judging your heart, how come
Speaker 2: Mark goes through and he's a mass murderer just because
Speaker 2: suddenly he doesn't have an alternative personality. That seems like
Speaker 2: not well thought out to me. It kind of like
Speaker 2: digs into some of the the I feel like this
Speaker 2: is a really ambitious episode, but I also feel like
Speaker 2: it could have been the third episode and then we'd
Speaker 2: have three more episodes to explore it. That's kind of
Speaker 2: where my head is at.
Speaker 1: I felt the same way, although I will say this
Speaker 1: to one My guess is that the final episode will
Speaker 1: clear up whatever hanging threads we have, and that maybe
Speaker 1: the loophole here is that because Mark Spector became a
Speaker 1: mass murderer in the service of an Egyptian god god show,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: What I mean.
Speaker 1: So like, yeah, you're not getting into the ancestral plane
Speaker 1: or valala, right, you know. But much like if Thor,
Speaker 1: as we all know, young Thor, you know, back in
Speaker 1: the Viking days took part in human battles killed. We
Speaker 1: would surmise many many, many many people in the prosecution
Speaker 1: of various Viking wars. Right, that Odin blessed as being fine.
Speaker 1: Therefore he could enter, you know, like the as Guardian afterlife,
Speaker 1: but maybe like the Egyptian afterlife will be close to him,
Speaker 1: maybe in a similar way. That is why it's not necessarily.
Speaker 2: Very thoughtful, Right, that's very thoughtful, generous take, and I
Speaker 2: like it.
Speaker 1: It's not necessarily hope that it's not as say, Mark
Speaker 1: is a great guy. It's like, well, can't you who's
Speaker 1: one of us said go ahead and do this, this
Speaker 1: is fine.
Speaker 2: And pay for his So I think that narratively, if
Speaker 2: we get like, the feelings are the feelings, and it's
Speaker 2: all subjective, and I'm sure there's loads of people that's
Speaker 2: really worked for. So narratively, I think the big thing
Speaker 2: when we talk about things to tie up, aside from
Speaker 2: potentially a little bit more about the Altars, is Jake Lockley.
Speaker 2: So it is Jake Lockley. In this episode, there is
Speaker 2: a moment in Arthur Harrow's office where Mark or Stephen
Speaker 2: wakes up and he's got a slightly heavyer Chicago accent.
Speaker 2: He's got a bandage across his nose, and he immediately
Speaker 2: goes for violence, and he's like, yeah, I feel great,
Speaker 2: well done. Yes, if you're doing a great job. Is
Speaker 2: that Jake Locke? Are we going to find out that
Speaker 2: Jake Lockley is that violent alter third altar that's in there? Like,
Speaker 2: I think that for people who love Moonnight comics or
Speaker 2: love Moonnight as a character, I think that that final
Speaker 2: episode is going to need to lean in a little
Speaker 2: bit more to those different iterations because we've had that
Speaker 2: emotional Mark and Stephen's story here, even though it does
Speaker 2: diverge quite a lot from the comics origin, we've had
Speaker 2: that kind of big emotional moment. So what will happen next?
Speaker 2: Because Mark is now alone? So does he go after
Speaker 2: Coon Shu? Does he unlock another altar? What do you
Speaker 2: think it's going to be?
Speaker 1: I suspect that we have not because of the hints
Speaker 1: like the one you just mentioned from Arthur Herro's office,
Speaker 1: plus the one that we had discussed from a couple
Speaker 1: episodes back where Mark is fighting the Arthur heroes like
Speaker 1: heavies in Egypt and then all of a sudden he
Speaker 1: goes through the switch where usually you would expect Stephen
Speaker 1: to take control here, but we just get black and
Speaker 1: we don't know who and the henchees have been taken
Speaker 1: out and it wasn't Mark and it wasn't Stephen, so
Speaker 1: who was it. We've got these hints that there is
Speaker 1: another altar waiting to reveal, to be revealed, and I
Speaker 1: feel like we're gonna that feels like the other shoe
Speaker 1: to drop. All of which is to say, I can't
Speaker 1: imagine that we've seen the last of Stephen, Like, no,
Speaker 1: I don't know what it means that he quote unquote
Speaker 1: died in the sands of Duot and what was pulled under,
Speaker 1: but I feel like that altar is still going to
Speaker 1: be around. I don't know how they're going to get
Speaker 1: through that or how they're going to work that out,
Speaker 1: but it feels like other altars are still waiting to
Speaker 1: come out.
Speaker 2: I think so. And we've talked a lot about the
Speaker 2: Jeff Lamir Greg small Wood stuff, which is like Moon
Speaker 2: Night volume eight, and that stuff definitely deals with this
Speaker 2: concept of how do how does Mark come to a
Speaker 2: piece that accepts who he is? And that could be
Speaker 2: who he is alone or it could be who he
Speaker 2: is with the Altars, and seeing as they established this
Speaker 2: notion that each of the Altars has a different suit,
Speaker 2: I feel like that might turn into more of a
Speaker 2: classical superpower in the future where it's like the older
Speaker 2: Moonnight comics where he slips in and out. And while
Speaker 2: that is not a realistic representation you know of did
Speaker 2: I think that they put their effort into doing this
Speaker 2: emotional episode this week and we might kind of see
Speaker 2: how Mark and Moonnight transcend. It feels like a lot
Speaker 2: to wrap up in a final episode, so I wonder
Speaker 2: if this is going to be a low key where
Speaker 2: they just announce a second season.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it feels like a tremendous amount to wrap up.
Speaker 1: A producer saw a super producer, Saul in the chat mentions,
Speaker 1: how would they manage any Egyptology without Steven? I think
Speaker 1: that's a good point. We still have such a good point. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we still have Arthur harrow And and the Amint crisis
Speaker 1: to deal with. You know, are there Harrows up there? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Are their heroes up there legitimately like reigning souls down
Speaker 1: into the afterlife before their time. So that has to
Speaker 1: be dealt with, and Mark with just his knowledge is
Speaker 1: not going to be up to it now in a
Speaker 1: post field of reads, uh like reality is Mark slash
Speaker 1: Stephens slash potentially Jake. Are they just like more much
Speaker 1: like the comic books. They They're still there, those memories
Speaker 1: are still there, those personalities quote unquote are still there
Speaker 1: in some kind of form of fashion. But the the
Speaker 1: the the demarcations between them are more amorphous, and they're
Speaker 1: more more I mean, we legitimately saw a balancing of scales.
Speaker 1: Maybe they reside together in a more more or less
Speaker 1: healthy quote unquote way. Is that what we see going forward?
Speaker 2: I think we could definitely see that, And I think
Speaker 2: that it will be really interesting to see the way
Speaker 2: they approach it because this is something that comics and
Speaker 2: superho shows have done before, like Legion and you know,
Speaker 2: Doom Patrol really focused on it with Jane. So I'm
Speaker 2: really interested to see because I feel like they've established
Speaker 2: little things here that make you think you're gonna need
Speaker 2: to see these characters again, one being that Stephen is
Speaker 2: like a lot of people's favorite character. Yeah, and somebody
Speaker 2: that they connected with as their in character and who
Speaker 2: they feel represented by is kind of like a guy
Speaker 2: just trying to do the best in his life. So
Speaker 2: I think for him to never be there again and
Speaker 2: for it to just be kind of cold hearted, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna shoot some people, Mark. That doesn't seem likely to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And quick couple other questions, how does he get
Speaker 1: back to Earth? I mean, it seems like Tara Week
Speaker 1: could just send him like she was not. Her objection
Speaker 1: was like, I would send you back to a body
Speaker 1: that is grievously wounded with a bunch of bullets in
Speaker 1: his chest, not I can't do it. So I guess
Speaker 1: theoretically wouldn't be that hard. You just have to find
Speaker 1: the right god to agree to do it right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, how experimental is it going to be? Are you
Speaker 2: going to get an episode that leans into that small
Speaker 2: word lamir stuff where he's suddenly in all the bodies
Speaker 2: and he's kind of using them to go through He's
Speaker 2: gonna be Jake, He's gonna be this to survive. Is
Speaker 2: it just as simple as Tarawet sending him back? She's
Speaker 2: the goddess of children, of protection of fertility. Maybe she
Speaker 2: can help because the scales are balanced now. Maybe Arthur
Speaker 2: harrib will bring him back, like in some kind of
Speaker 2: joke of Batman situation where he needs Mark to see
Speaker 2: that he won to see the truth of Konshu. You know,
Speaker 2: we saw Layla's dad wearing the scarlet scarab robe. There's
Speaker 2: a chance that Layla with the scarab or a different
Speaker 2: kind of artifact has the power to bring Mark. I
Speaker 2: think from the pacing of this episode, we'll probably be
Speaker 2: boom right back in the real world next week.
Speaker 1: I think that that is probably the case, And I
Speaker 1: guess my my overarching question is like does Moonnight enter,
Speaker 1: like do we get a season two and does he
Speaker 1: enter like larger stories, And then as a kind of
Speaker 1: adduct to that, I think we've both become like I'm
Speaker 1: pretty convinced that this is the main MCU, right, this
Speaker 1: is this is where this is happening, and they mentioned
Speaker 1: in the ancestral plane, plus like some of the other
Speaker 1: the other the gcqques and like other things lead us
Speaker 1: to believe that, Okay, this is the regular MCU. Another question,
Speaker 1: which I think was like an interesting implication of Tarot
Speaker 1: mentioning the ancestral plane, how much do other deities know
Speaker 1: about other deities? Like we're going to see in love
Speaker 1: and thunder thor going to different places and meeting other gods,
Speaker 1: and meeting the Greek gods. But I wonder how much
Speaker 1: they all know about each other.
Speaker 2: I wonder if that is the secret seed that Moonnight
Speaker 2: is sewing. We've always been wondering, like, is Stephen going
Speaker 2: to be in their main mcu is Mark is Moonnight?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Maybe? Probably, maybe not. I don't know. Maybe what they're
Speaker 2: really sowing here is more of that god and deity backstory,
Speaker 2: those connections between the E and Nad, between bast and
Speaker 2: sec Met who became the Panther and Lyon gods in Wakanda,
Speaker 2: between Tarawet, between hmit Beteen and Nubis, And then it
Speaker 2: seems like it can't be a kind of coincidence that
Speaker 2: that is leading quite closely into love and Thunder, where
Speaker 2: we're going to meet I feel the same deities. So
Speaker 2: maybe that is the bigger picture here, because you know,
Speaker 2: it's we love this stuff, which is why we pick
Speaker 2: it apart. So obviously the obvious questions are like Arthur
Speaker 2: Harrow has a power much bigger than the infinity, gornt right,
Speaker 2: and nobody's doing anything.
Speaker 1: Nobody's doing where is everybody?
Speaker 2: That's always funny to us, but also in the comics.
Speaker 2: We know that there are times when someone's doing some
Speaker 2: multiversal destruction shenanigans and the only person you send is Hawkeye,
Speaker 2: So it happens.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: One of my favorite, one of my favorite things about
Speaker 1: Ednie comic book story is like the line in like
Speaker 1: a Wolverine or a Hawkeye or a Capitain America or
Speaker 1: a Thor comic where it's like, where are the Avengers. Oh,
Speaker 1: they're busy, yeah, right now, It's just like they're dealing
Speaker 1: with their own stuff. And then it'll be like, you know,
Speaker 1: a little asterisk see Avengers blah blah blah from Okay.
Speaker 1: Up next, our friend Cody Zigler joins us and we
Speaker 1: talk comics. Okay, folks, we're stepping out of the airlock
Speaker 1: and into the comics quarter with our good friend Cody
Speaker 1: zig Ziggler. Get please pick up Cody Ziggler, Justin Bason
Speaker 1: and Jim Charlon Pittis's Spider Punk Number one wherever you
Speaker 1: can find it because it's sold out many many places.
Speaker 1: Super super fun. Cody, thank you for joining us, and
Speaker 1: it's time to talk comics.
Speaker 3: Man, yes about it.
Speaker 1: First of all, have you been what are you going up?
Speaker 3: To dude, I've been great. I've been so incredibly busy,
Speaker 3: as I'm sure you can tell from my social media post.
Speaker 3: I'm good. I'm currently about to finish the season of Futurama,
Speaker 3: and I'm almost almost almost about to finish issue five
Speaker 3: of Spider Punk. That's right. So as soon as I
Speaker 3: get through this little bit of Elden Ring, I'm going
Speaker 3: to go to my computer and finish this last issue. Baby.
Speaker 3: That's that.
Speaker 1: We got to know where are you in the ring
Speaker 1: right now? What's going on with it? Where are you
Speaker 1: in the mission? Are you held?
Speaker 3: And Lord yet I am not, but I have dethroned
Speaker 3: Margot the fell Key, and so yeah, next, they gotta next.
Speaker 3: I gotta get to go find a giant in the snow.
Speaker 3: I don't know everyone is as right now, so do
Speaker 3: some grinding to get Let me.
Speaker 1: Tell you that the giant no spoilers. That is a fight,
Speaker 1: my friend boy, and and it's one of the fights
Speaker 1: where you're fighting the guy and you're like, man, I
Speaker 1: feel bad about having to kill this guy, but then
Speaker 1: you feel less bad because he just like, whoops your asso.
Speaker 1: Watch anyway, that's a fun fight. Enjoy that. Let's get
Speaker 1: into the comics. Then uh. The reason that we want
Speaker 1: to do this episode one is because we love talking
Speaker 1: about comics. And then two we wanted to uh, so
Speaker 1: we want to talk about the things that we're reading
Speaker 1: right now, the things we really like. And then uh
Speaker 1: and then as a way to prepare people for Doctor
Speaker 1: Strange and the Multiverse, a mantas talk about some of
Speaker 1: the Doctor Strange related comics that we think we might
Speaker 1: come up. But first let's talk about what we're reading
Speaker 1: right now. SI, what do you what do you read
Speaker 1: right now? Man?
Speaker 3: I have you can't see, but I have such a
Speaker 3: huge stack of stuff. So on to three.
Speaker 2: I love this side.
Speaker 3: I yelled about this yesterday or the other day on
Speaker 3: our pre pro beating But Gleam by Freddy Carrasco is
Speaker 3: a book that it picked up a couple of a
Speaker 3: couple of months ago, and it's right up my alley.
Speaker 3: I actually haven't been reading a bunch of Cape stuff
Speaker 3: because I've just been in the Cape world for vastly
Speaker 3: in the past year. But if you're looking for like
Speaker 3: a fantastic like afro futurism, black cyberpunk story, I highly
Speaker 3: recommend this. He's a Canadian black Canadian artist who I
Speaker 3: think Liz works Japan uh now. But it's a collection
Speaker 3: of three vignettes, three short stories, a very very very
Speaker 3: loose through line, but it's got some fantastic art, very
Speaker 3: very loose from the hip with the actual story. So
Speaker 3: like you're looking for like some fantastic like sequential art
Speaker 3: and just following the action and the flow of stuff
Speaker 3: and like just really for vibes only. I highly recommend
Speaker 3: GLEAM g L E e M. Pick it up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that book is unbelievable. And when I have my
Speaker 2: first in person meeting with Oliver, our owner who's doing
Speaker 2: the art for my Godzilla comic, that was one of
Speaker 2: the best. And he was like, what do you think?
Speaker 1: And I was like, you know, perfect transition to you, Rosie,
Speaker 1: Rosie Knight. First of all, you got to tell us
Speaker 1: about your Guydilla comic. What is going on with the
Speaker 1: Godzilla comic? When can we purchase this comic?
Speaker 2: Okay, so that it is available for pre order now,
Speaker 2: it was in this month's catalog. I have got a
Speaker 2: link on my Instagram bio where you can go and
Speaker 2: get all the information that you can give to your
Speaker 2: comic bookshop. If you have a Penguin Random House account.
Speaker 2: You can also order it on their website. But you
Speaker 2: can just go to your shop and say the name
Speaker 2: of the comic, Oliver that what.
Speaker 1: Is the name of the comic just so we all
Speaker 1: go Mozilla.
Speaker 2: It's called Godzilla Rivals Versus batchra And that is because
Speaker 2: it is part of the ongoing Rival series, which features
Speaker 2: stories from the Godzilla movie Monster universe, and they're completely
Speaker 2: unconnected to the movies and they're just solo forty page
Speaker 2: one short issues. And mine is with Oliver, who's an
Speaker 2: astonishing artist who is also inking coloring the whole book,
Speaker 2: and it's really cool. It's like classic Godzilla meets Studio
Speaker 2: ghibli Oh hello, yeah, yeah, There's there's an entire page
Speaker 2: that's just cooking. There's just there's at least no page.
Speaker 2: Thank you, So you know, I get a spider Punk
Speaker 2: every month.
Speaker 1: What is your what's your relationship to Godzilla? Why Godzilla?
Speaker 1: Why this story? Like? What is why we spoke to
Speaker 1: you about Godzilla?
Speaker 2: I absolutely love Godzilla. I am sitting currently where I
Speaker 2: record my podcast, where this podcast where there is one, two, three, four, five, six, seven,
Speaker 2: seven Godzilla figures and a reclining service. I've always loved Godzilla.
Speaker 2: I have a baby Godzilla Tatto Manila. I remember watching
Speaker 2: them as a kid and here now, like there's so
Speaker 2: many brilliant ways to revisit them, whether you're watching them
Speaker 2: dubbed on like Comet, or whether you're getting the Criterion versions,
Speaker 2: which are incredible. I think the stories that they have
Speaker 2: the same thing we love about comics, where Godzilla comes
Speaker 2: from a space of being this incredibly important, personal analogous
Speaker 2: story about Japan and nuclear war and the hazards of
Speaker 2: the nuclear bomb. And it has evolved and there's moments
Speaker 2: where it's totally wacky and outrageous, but it always has
Speaker 2: this ecological through line which I just think is really powerful,
Speaker 2: and that's a big part of our story. Like it's
Speaker 2: set in England, but it was very much inspired by
Speaker 2: the area I live in on like the coast of
Speaker 2: La La City, and there were just so many sewage
Speaker 2: spills here, like months, just every month, just sewage bill,
Speaker 2: sewage bill, sewage bill, and it always happens in the
Speaker 2: area which is mostly poor people, mostly black and brown people.
Speaker 2: That's like that environmental kind of racism element. So bring
Speaker 2: in like those elements in and trying to imagine like
Speaker 2: a better world with cool people who wanted to change things,
Speaker 2: but also with like giant monsters. Way, there's lots of
Speaker 2: giant monster I'll ever deliver on the giant monsters.
Speaker 1: Rosie. What are you reading right now? What is your
Speaker 1: first recommendation for us?
Speaker 2: My first recommendation is this, Really I'm going to go
Speaker 2: I'm going to follow Ziggs lead. I'm gonna go non
Speaker 2: Cape Right now. There is this brilliant independent publisher called
Speaker 2: Black Jose Press, which I just love. I'll read anything
Speaker 2: from there, And they published this unbelievable collection of queer
Speaker 2: erotic comics called Arrive in My Hands. And even if
Speaker 2: you're like, oh, erotic, that sounds a bit, no, it's
Speaker 2: like the most beautiful, poetic, stunning work by Trinidad Escobar.
Speaker 2: And I pre ordered the physical copies, which I think
Speaker 2: will be available soon, but there's a PDF version that's available.
Speaker 2: I just keep looking at it. It's like one of
Speaker 2: those things where every time you look at it, you
Speaker 2: explore something new, and it feels really transgressive and relatable
Speaker 2: and beautiful and kind of thing where I'm just I'm
Speaker 2: so excited to show it to people and just be like,
Speaker 2: do you know people are making comics like this, Like
Speaker 2: this is what you can be enjoying alongside the monster's
Speaker 2: fighting and the superheroes and everything. You can get these
Speaker 2: really personal, beautiful comics made by brilliant, marginalized creators. And
Speaker 2: Black Jose Press just does non stop publications like that.
Speaker 2: It's one of my favorite publishers, and this book was
Speaker 2: just like it. Even I have high expectations of that publisher,
Speaker 2: but it totally overwhelmed them. I just that book is
Speaker 2: so good, so ten out of ten recommendations.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's awesome. I will go Cape because I've been
Speaker 1: keeping the last couple of weeks to bone up for
Speaker 1: movies and stuff they're coming out. And I was a
Speaker 1: full disclosure, never much of a Hulk person when I
Speaker 1: first started reading comics. And despite the fact that like
Speaker 1: there was some really really you know mister fix It
Speaker 1: era classic kind of like classic like Kulk's stories at
Speaker 1: that time, love the pin suit, but I just was
Speaker 1: never much of a Hulk person, Like I'd check in
Speaker 1: for the big events World War Hulk, you know, Planet Hulk,
Speaker 1: et cetera. Those are of course good, but I was
Speaker 1: never like a I'm reading the Hulk now Immortal Hulk
Speaker 1: changed turned my head a lot in ways that I
Speaker 1: was not expecting. And the ongoing series, The Hulk series
Speaker 1: by Donnie Kate's Ryan Otley, Cliff Rathburn and Frank Martin
Speaker 1: is really good and really interesting and takes you know,
Speaker 1: it's always like, how do we redefine the relationship between
Speaker 1: Bruce Banner and the Hulk? You know, it's constantly changing.
Speaker 1: How do we how do we make it new and fresh?
Speaker 1: And this time it's Bruce Banner is both like the
Speaker 1: main character kind of the bad guy, which is I
Speaker 1: guess happened for a while, but he has turned the
Speaker 1: Hulk into like a pilotable like battle like buy a
Speaker 1: battleship that like a like a mech suit that he
Speaker 1: is sitting like deep inside the psyche of the Hulk,
Speaker 1: piloting this Hulk around and having crazy fights and crazy
Speaker 1: adventure is really really good and really interesting. The art
Speaker 1: is fantastic.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, Ryan Otley r Ryley onto that
Speaker 2: big two stuff is just.
Speaker 1: Like it's just like so gnarly and like biological and
Speaker 1: and and the textures that he that he brings out
Speaker 1: are fantastic it's it's great and as a person who
Speaker 1: again has never really been much of a Hulk person,
Speaker 1: just like straight up throughout the course of my comics
Speaker 1: reading life, has never been much of a Hulk person
Speaker 1: until recently. I'm really enjoying this book quite a bit.
Speaker 3: You said, you say, met Hulk, I'm already in, like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, back to you. Zig. What else?
Speaker 3: This is another non Cape comic, but Mark Ballast by E. P.
Speaker 4: H K.
Speaker 3: It's a it's viewers or listeners can't see this, but
Speaker 3: it's a.
Speaker 2: It's a every dime.
Speaker 3: Yeah. It's a quote unquote silent comic in that there's words,
Speaker 3: but it's all gibberish and it's just following a two
Speaker 3: fighter pilots that are fighting over Mars and they shoot
Speaker 3: each other down. They just you know, it's like an
Speaker 3: enemy mind situation where they help each other out. But
Speaker 3: if you're looking for some really really he's a He
Speaker 3: is a French artist, and if you're looking for some
Speaker 3: truly some of the most vivid, sequential art and just
Speaker 3: storytelling out right now, I highly recommend this. It's a
Speaker 3: it's a pocket sized graphic novel, one hundred and twenty
Speaker 3: pages and it has like the use of like red
Speaker 3: and orange is fantastic, Like it flows together. There's some
Speaker 3: really really interesting panel layouts and uh just the use
Speaker 3: of like language and in using a non language to
Speaker 3: convey emotion and like some fantastic and acting with the drawing,
Speaker 3: like check out Mars Mars Ballast by E. P.
Speaker 1: H K Shouts to the Enemy mind Drop, which is
Speaker 1: really like forgotten sci fi movie from the eighties star Gym,
Speaker 1: starring Dennis Quaid and Lewis Gossa Junior as too uh
Speaker 1: you know, uh, two fighter islots from from opposing warring
Speaker 1: factions humans versus I forget the name of the alien species.
Speaker 1: But they then crash land on a desolate planet and
Speaker 1: have to like learn to live together. And it is
Speaker 1: like a heartbreaking story.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd never seen it until it was on broadcast
Speaker 2: a couple of years ago, hair and I was just like, oh,
Speaker 2: my fucking god, and how has nobody told me about man?
Speaker 1: It is like, I'm not even fucking around. Lou Gassa
Speaker 1: Junior should have been Oscar nominated for that fucking role.
Speaker 1: I'm not even I'm not joking. It is not a
Speaker 1: fucking joke. Like in full makeup that must have taken
Speaker 1: hours and hours to get into. He is fully emotive,
Speaker 1: like breaks your heart in a million fucking ways. He
Speaker 1: should have been Oscar Nomen. It's an incredible movie. Find
Speaker 1: it if you can. Great movie. Enemy Mine, Rosie up
Speaker 1: next for you.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, you flipped me. I was gonna do a
Speaker 2: different I'll do this one later, but I'll do one
Speaker 2: now because just talking about like really weird, deep sci fi.
Speaker 3: So I.
Speaker 2: Was revisiting Umbrella Academy in the lead up to the
Speaker 2: third series and I read Hotel Oblivion again, which was
Speaker 2: the third volume which came out like eight years after
Speaker 2: the second volume, written by Jared Way with his collaborator
Speaker 2: artist Gabriel Barr, who is just so unreal. And if
Speaker 2: you want to get prepared for the third season introduction
Speaker 2: of the mysterious Sparrow Academy kind of then it's a
Speaker 2: great thing to read. But if you just want to
Speaker 2: read a really weird experimental sci fi comic which takes
Speaker 2: place in these two it's like some people are trapped
Speaker 2: in this hotel. Is it really a hotel? Is it
Speaker 2: like a cosmic kind of void like you? And it's
Speaker 2: just Gabriel's art is so good, and so much of
Speaker 2: Umbrella Academy is like the creative team's love for the
Speaker 2: X Men and for these stories. This volume is is
Speaker 2: not really that this volume is balls to the wall bonkers,
Speaker 2: n I mean, Gabriel's art is like he is just
Speaker 2: a star, Like everything that he does is just beautiful.
Speaker 2: But like I was so blown away rereading that book.
Speaker 2: I was just like, this is like no other superhero comic.
Speaker 2: You know, it's Cape comics, but it's not. And that
Speaker 2: is just it's such a great read anyway, and it's
Speaker 2: just a really easy volume and there's so much fun
Speaker 2: to be had. But also if you're if you're excited
Speaker 2: about the new season or you want a primer, it
Speaker 2: works on that level as well. But I was I
Speaker 2: read it for that reason. Then I was just like,
Speaker 2: this is so weird in the best way. It really
Speaker 2: delivered on what you want from that kind of Umbrella
Speaker 2: Academy stance. It was.
Speaker 1: It was great what I think Gerard Way might have
Speaker 1: the coolest can act like of people that I can
Speaker 1: think of in terms of like going into a completely
Speaker 1: different lane and being really good at it. Of course,
Speaker 1: like is the as the lead vocalist of My Chemical
Speaker 1: Romance was extremely influential. But like the flip to to
Speaker 1: comics and Umbrella Academy, I remember at the time being like,
Speaker 1: let's see and then being like, oh fuck, this is
Speaker 1: good shit.
Speaker 3: Twice Yeah, motherfucker.
Speaker 2: His story arc is so unbelievable as well, because he
Speaker 2: was like a Vertigo intern as a teenager, and it
Speaker 2: was like, is this gonna work?
Speaker 1: Is?
Speaker 2: And Okay, now I'll go and start like the most
Speaker 2: famous emo like stadium rock band of you know, the decade.
Speaker 2: But I'm staying friends with Jim Lee who loves this
Speaker 2: kind of music. And then kind of somehow you end
Speaker 2: up in this space where you create like one of
Speaker 2: not only one of the most successful indie comics, but
Speaker 2: then it becomes one of the biggest Netflix originals. I
Speaker 2: know so many people who love Umbrella Academy who've never
Speaker 2: read a comic. Yeah, yeah, they just love the show.
Speaker 2: It is a true crossover success in that way.
Speaker 1: When we're back more comics Corner, We're back, So I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go listen. I've been on my I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: Cape again. I've been on my X Men slash Mutant
Speaker 1: thing as they are transitioning into the Immortal X Men
Speaker 1: slash x Men. Red Phase shouts at what a come
Speaker 1: up for my mutant family. They were on the Village
Speaker 1: of Extinction. There was like less than two hundred of
Speaker 1: them left. Now they're colonizing Mars. It's look at us
Speaker 1: now we'd be here and kind of against all odds.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's true. My favorite, I love
Speaker 1: my X Men, but kind of my favorite, like ongoing
Speaker 1: X solo title has been Marauders, like the whole time,
Speaker 1: so Steve Orlando, Eleonora Carlini, Matt Miller or They have
Speaker 1: just released Marauders number one. It's kind of like a
Speaker 1: reboot of the ongoing Marauders title and it's super fun.
Speaker 1: I'm enjoying spending the time on the high seas with
Speaker 1: Don't Call Her Kitty, Catherine Pride, Lockheed and the rest
Speaker 1: of the Pirate crew, sailing from nation to nation, making
Speaker 1: sure that Mutants can go to Krakoa if they so
Speaker 1: wish to do so. It's been really fun. Lots of
Speaker 1: fun shenanigans with with you know, the the Black King Shaw,
Speaker 1: lots of stuff going on. It's if you want to
Speaker 1: get into like an X book that is not so
Speaker 1: wrapped up in a lot of the ongoing like ex Politics,
Speaker 1: and it's kind of like, in my my read of
Speaker 1: it is kind of like the easiest to follow one.
Speaker 1: Like if you want to drop into the X world
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh my god, do I have to
Speaker 1: do like House of X and donno X and all
Speaker 1: that stuff and get here, yes and no, and you
Speaker 1: just want to pick it up and see what's going on.
Speaker 1: I would Marauder's Number one is a great place to
Speaker 1: get on, and the previous Marauders ongoing before the renumber
Speaker 1: was just super straightforward, really fun, just like Mutants on
Speaker 1: the High Seas I think.
Speaker 2: I think like one of the best things about the
Speaker 2: X titles at the moment is like their additive so
Speaker 2: you can read an X book and really enjoy it,
Speaker 2: but like if you've read every other X book, you're
Speaker 2: going to find even more to dig into and enjoy,
Speaker 2: so you can find the one you like, whether it's
Speaker 2: Hellians or Marauders and more X men. I thought it
Speaker 2: was brilliant the first issue, like and then if you've
Speaker 2: read it, you get in jokes and bits, but otherwise,
Speaker 2: like you can go back and add more onto it,
Speaker 2: and it kind of works in this lateral way that
Speaker 2: I think is really cool for a wide line of comics.
Speaker 1: Shouts to mister Sinister going evil once again. He's been
Speaker 1: played for laughs in Hells. I like he stayed sasy.
Speaker 2: He's more a X Man. He's been eight sassy.
Speaker 1: He's been incredibly sassy over the last year. To have
Speaker 1: two years and now in a moral X Men, my
Speaker 1: guys taking the keeltering but still still snapping on people.
Speaker 2: I love that fast issue of a Mortal X Men
Speaker 2: has one of my all time recent fave lettering uses
Speaker 2: where they I think it's Clayton calculates that book, but
Speaker 2: I'll double check, but he goes he does like a what,
Speaker 2: and the what is like just huge. But when you
Speaker 2: read it in the context of the joke where he's
Speaker 2: trying to act surprised and at the bottom it says like,
Speaker 2: was that too much? It's so funny. I've reread it
Speaker 2: multiple times and it's made me laugh out loud, like
Speaker 2: the we all know this, And we talked about Tom
Speaker 2: Miller's amazing production design, but the intricacies and detail and
Speaker 2: of quality that they're putting in every level on those
Speaker 2: books is very good.
Speaker 3: Zigurre up all right, So I'm off my art shit
Speaker 3: and onto a more traditional comic, A Righteous Thirst from
Speaker 3: Vengeance out of Are a nice slow burn act thriller comic.
Speaker 3: I highly recommend if you're a fan of like A
Speaker 3: History of Violence or Green Room or Blue Ruin, like
Speaker 3: those who are like Grady grounded, also bizarrely hyper violent
Speaker 3: action thrillers, I highly recommend uh a Thirst for for
Speaker 3: a Righteous for Vengeance. And also I defy you to
Speaker 3: read this and not picture Benedict Wang as the lead
Speaker 3: the cover, it's.
Speaker 1: Yeah, uh Rosie, Yeah, I'm gonna go there.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna the other direction. If you've read A Righteous
Speaker 2: Best Vengeance and you're like, I need something really chill,
Speaker 2: slice a watch one of my favorite comics of all
Speaker 2: time and probably my favorite living cartoonist, Ramiko Takahashi, who
Speaker 2: is behind any Yasha Lum basically any favorite anime or
Speaker 2: manga that you read as a teen. Uh Ramiko was
Speaker 2: probably behind it. And she has this unbelievable slice of
Speaker 2: life book called Maison a Cuckoo that's about a young
Speaker 2: widow who takes over an eclectic boarding house and it
Speaker 2: is like the funniest, sauciest, silliest slapstick. Every single page
Speaker 2: there's something that will make you want to get a
Speaker 2: tattoo because.
Speaker 1: Romiko is stunning, dangerous.
Speaker 2: She's stunning like figure work and watercolors, and they and
Speaker 2: Viz is currently doing beautiful reprints. I think they're up
Speaker 2: to volume seven now. But she's also really good at
Speaker 2: a gag face. So if you love like Sailor Moon
Speaker 2: and you love when in the back you see like
Speaker 2: they got the little silly gagfaces, Remiko just has that
Speaker 2: down pat It's it's a romance. It's really thoughtful about grief.
Speaker 2: But it's also like Romiko is a very saucy cartoonist,
Speaker 2: like she created Lum, who is like this sexy blue
Speaker 2: headed alien with the leopard print bikini. There's just there's
Speaker 2: so much fun to be had. And this is like
Speaker 2: the vis reprints that they're doing of this a bunch
Speaker 2: of other Romiko stuff. If they did Mermaids Saga, they're
Speaker 2: also doing Fist in the North Star ones that are beautiful.
Speaker 2: They're the kind of books that make you want to
Speaker 2: reread them, Like the versions they're doing are so beautiful.
Speaker 2: So yeah, Maison a Cuckoo. I love this comic. I
Speaker 2: want everyone to read it. I want vis to re
Speaker 2: release the live action eighties adaptation series that they made
Speaker 2: of it, which has never been re released. I need
Speaker 2: to see that, so everyone's go and read this. So
Speaker 2: visual we'll publish that.
Speaker 3: Every time we do. We need these episodes. My bank
Speaker 3: account is just the same thing. Pain.
Speaker 1: I know, it's pain, dude, same for me. Okay, uh my,
Speaker 1: this is really hard. But so I've been uh I've
Speaker 1: been very active on my Marvel Unlimited, digging through the stacks.
Speaker 1: I've been reading a lot of West Coast Avengers just
Speaker 1: to you know, catch the vibe and remember what that
Speaker 1: was like. And they recently released all of the X
Speaker 1: Deaths of Wolverine series on there, and you know what,
Speaker 1: as a as a recovering Wolverine, loganhead was a huge look.
Speaker 1: You know. I was like, as a kid, that was it.
Speaker 1: I was a loganhead. I'd run around and wonder, man,
Speaker 1: what would be how cool would it be to have
Speaker 1: like little metal claws come out of my knuckles and
Speaker 1: like have every time? The best there is at what
Speaker 1: I do. But what I do is very nice and
Speaker 1: it's read comics all the time. I think that, uh,
Speaker 1: Excess Wolverine is super fun. It's super fun. It's like, uh,
Speaker 1: it's again a kind of thing that gives you a
Speaker 1: lot of sprinklings of ongoing events, uh you know, post
Speaker 1: Kracoa events in Mutantom, But it's a Wolverine story that
Speaker 1: takes you on a kind of time traveling and a
Speaker 1: swashbuckling tour of Wolverine's life as heat. Uh. It's like
Speaker 1: basically Terminator Wolverine goes back through the timeline trying to
Speaker 1: stop Omega Red from killing Professor X sometime in the past,
Speaker 1: and it happens. It happens all the time. It happens,
Speaker 1: It happens the best. Yeah, and Omega Red has developed
Speaker 1: this new thing where he can, you know, touch someone
Speaker 1: and basically possess them, which is a problem. And so
Speaker 1: Wolverine's got to go back through his old bodies. Now
Speaker 1: he's young Wolverine. Now he's patched. Now he's a different
Speaker 1: version of Now he's WEAPONEX Wolverine. Now he's Wolverine, Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, lurking in the Central American jungles with Sabertooth
Speaker 1: and that other weird guy he used to hang around
Speaker 1: with Maverick. Uh, and I gotta tell you, I'm having
Speaker 1: a good time. I'm having a good time reading it.
Speaker 1: I don't know what to tell you that that has
Speaker 1: been our comics recommendations. Let's dive into stuff that we
Speaker 1: think might be useful for people to talk about to read.
Speaker 1: As Doctor Strange approaches. First one on this list, which
Speaker 1: Rosie and I were talking about, I wonder if you've
Speaker 1: read it. Zig is Doctor Strange, Doctor Doom Triumphant Torment
Speaker 1: written by Rogers Stern with pencils and covers by Mike
Speaker 1: Magnola and Mark Badger. And it's like what Mike Manola
Speaker 1: doing Doctor Strange and Doctor I love it. And it's
Speaker 1: a great one shot story that really lets you into
Speaker 1: how thirsty Doctor Doom is from magic man.
Speaker 2: This guy he loves.
Speaker 1: Tempting the magic. He loves going over the line with
Speaker 1: like if you thought Doctor Strange pushed it with the spells,
Speaker 1: with the crossing the line with the like books he
Speaker 1: shouldn't read, but he's gonna go ahead and read. The
Speaker 1: Doctor Doom is even more that.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: And you know Mignola is Mgnola. It's super fun. Uh.
Speaker 1: Mephisto is there that is that would be my first
Speaker 1: recommendation for something that is like easily easy to pick up.
Speaker 1: You don't need to know a lot if you wanted
Speaker 1: to pick it up and read it. Any of y'all
Speaker 1: have any any any recommendations along or sides, I've got one.
Speaker 2: But another thing I think is really good about that
Speaker 2: piece is like it really specifically centers on like doctor
Speaker 2: Doom's mom, which is like a weird thing they were
Speaker 2: obsessed with in the eighties and nineties because in some
Speaker 2: of the Moonlight stuff where shot Horror dodtr Doom appears
Speaker 2: it's all to do with his mom, Like this guy
Speaker 2: has mother issues and they were being explored. So who
Speaker 2: knows is that going to come into it in them? See,
Speaker 2: I don't know, but it seems interesting and connected. So
Speaker 2: first of all, as well, I always think it's so
Speaker 2: funny when you, even as people have been reading these
Speaker 2: comics however long like decades or whatever, whenever we find
Speaker 2: a might make know the Big Two comics, they're like.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, he did, like, okay, pick it up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like it's happening, but I'm going to go newer.
Speaker 1: Yeah I was.
Speaker 2: I've kind of read like the first issue of this series,
Speaker 2: the Death of Doctor Strange, but I recently read the
Speaker 2: whole thing. The five issue collection is at now Jeff McKay.
Speaker 2: Pencils by legue Ar, but Curry Andrews does great covers.
Speaker 2: This is like such a fun book. The idea is
Speaker 2: like Doctor Strange is gonna die. He gets killed? Who
Speaker 2: did it? And he gets to kind of like we
Speaker 2: have to work out what happened? And it's timey wimy
Speaker 2: r is like so beautiful, cartoony and beautiful and fun,
Speaker 2: and there's like cute animal characters and I feel like,
Speaker 2: you know, zig no comment from you here inside business. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I feel like one of my favorite things talk about
Speaker 2: is how Marvel Seed stuff is very they want people
Speaker 2: to necessarily conceptualize or come to terms with, or become
Speaker 2: familiar with. And this feels like one of those comics
Speaker 2: where I'm like, one, it's a fun superhero romp, but two,
Speaker 2: have a read Doctor Strange, you might be happy.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I definitely feel that same way, whether or not
Speaker 3: that's what the book that I'm currently writing, I think
Speaker 3: that's also the same energy, right, Yeah, And also Jet's
Speaker 3: a fantastic, fantastic writer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this book is so fun.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's such a fucking fun fun writer.
Speaker 1: Should add one of the I think one of the
Speaker 1: things that really felt like, oh we're seeing this is
Speaker 1: so part of this is not a spoiler, but you
Speaker 1: know Doctor Strange's murder, who did it? And of course
Speaker 1: Doctor Strange has a uh, you know protocol in place
Speaker 1: should he die by means, and that protocol is to
Speaker 1: like activate an earlier, much more aggressive, much more line
Speaker 1: steppy version of himself, pluck that version out of whatever
Speaker 1: timeline is in and bring them, bring them to the
Speaker 1: present to figure it out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, did he like a shlock? He asks, yes, like experience.
Speaker 2: So then let's just say, seems like could be influential.
Speaker 1: I feel that it could be. Did you have anything?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I was really torn, but I think I'm gonna
Speaker 3: go with Hickman's New Avengers run time time runs out. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean I think anyone could tell from the trailers
Speaker 3: that the ILLUMINAI is going to be in this, and
Speaker 3: like that Illuminati is such a big part of Doctor
Speaker 3: Strange's current origin, at least as modern with the last
Speaker 3: ten years origin. And if you're really looking for like
Speaker 3: just a really fun four issue runs like or five
Speaker 3: issue run to jump in. I think it's it's sixteen
Speaker 3: through twenty one of Hickman's New Avengers. I introduces one
Speaker 3: of my absolute favorite characters, Son God. He's just a
Speaker 3: Superman pastiche there's a fantastic fight between him and Hulk
Speaker 3: that when I was read it, when I was like,
Speaker 3: twenty seven was the hypest shit I ever read, and
Speaker 3: twenty seven and I was turning up, I was quoting it.
Speaker 3: I had the pictures of my tumbler like I was
Speaker 3: taking scanning them alone. There. It's a really great entry
Speaker 3: for that, and I'm I'm just from the trailer. I'm
Speaker 3: assuming they're gonna be doing some fun Illuminati underhandedness, and
Speaker 3: I hope that they get some fun, big, big action
Speaker 3: fight scenes like that in there.
Speaker 1: That is I think a monumental run. Great no, And
Speaker 1: I think it.
Speaker 2: Makes a lot of sense because it leads into like
Speaker 2: one of the things that we talk about a lot
Speaker 2: with your Secret Wars and how that seems like the
Speaker 2: future of the MCU, and and there's doctor Doom elements,
Speaker 2: you know, God Doom, all that kind of stuff. So
Speaker 2: I think I think that's a brilliant pick and also
Speaker 2: just fun.
Speaker 1: One of my favorite parts of that Time runs out
Speaker 1: Run is the war between Atlantis and Wakanda, which feels
Speaker 1: like feels like feeding something you need to, you need
Speaker 1: to pay attention to, and that was a thing that
Speaker 1: absolutely grabbed me by the collar when I was reading. Oh,
Speaker 1: some of the twists and turns in that, like ongoing Struggle,
Speaker 1: are like, man, you can't believe what happens. Great, great,
Speaker 1: great run. I will pick a house of m for mine.
Speaker 1: The two thousand and five limited series Brian Michael Bendis,
Speaker 1: pencils by the Great Oliver Corpel, covers by the Great
Speaker 1: east Side, Ribbitch, and eight Core issues you can stick
Speaker 1: to those, but there are lots of tie ins that
Speaker 1: spread out, you know, across different titles. But the basic
Speaker 1: plot is Wanda is just so heartsick over the struggles
Speaker 1: that mutants have had to go through over the generations
Speaker 1: and the years, and them being oppressed and and through
Speaker 1: fits and starts, like all the attempted genocides that have
Speaker 1: happened over the course of time, and she's like, forget it,
Speaker 1: that's enough. I want to please my mutant family. Magneto
Speaker 1: and Quicksilver and I want to I want to heal
Speaker 1: a mutantom, and so I'm going to create a world
Speaker 1: in which mutants reign. Mutants are the main force in
Speaker 1: the world, and there are like non powered people, but
Speaker 1: they're they're a vast minority, and mutants run the world.
Speaker 1: And I feel like this is gonna be you know,
Speaker 1: we've talked about it before on this pod, but I
Speaker 1: feel like, up it comes up a lot, right, and
Speaker 1: it feels like, listen, we're waiting for mutants to come
Speaker 1: into the MCU. Wanda is growing more and more powerful
Speaker 1: with the ability, as we have seen over the course
Speaker 1: of Wanna Vision to alter reality and really like the
Speaker 1: drastic ways. And we know that the at least some
Speaker 1: part of Doctor Strange and the Multiverse Amandas involves Strange
Speaker 1: going to a place where other powered people exist, which
Speaker 1: is how we get America Shavas. And we also know that, like, man,
Speaker 1: you hear the voice of Patrick Stewart in that fucking trailer.
Speaker 3: He was basically saying, you makes them with magic. It
Speaker 3: like it's really hard. You could not distinguish. There's no
Speaker 3: high knew that was.
Speaker 1: And so it's a really really fun story. I highly
Speaker 1: recommend it my guy Wolverine. Again, if you're a Wolverine head,
Speaker 1: he does some he makes some things happen in this
Speaker 1: and some stuff.
Speaker 2: That man has a memory.
Speaker 1: He always like when it's just like normal life, he
Speaker 1: can't remember anything about what he used to do, But
Speaker 1: when he gets transported to another like timelized dimension, all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, he can't forget what happened in the
Speaker 1: previous world anyway. Uh, and Rosie, you have anything else?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got one more. But I also just want
Speaker 2: to say, like, this leads to my favorite theory that
Speaker 2: I I It like pops up every soft and on Reddit,
Speaker 2: I've seen it on TikTok, which is the MCU as
Speaker 2: it exists, is the No More Mutants universe. I just
Speaker 2: wonder creating the House of M. I love that it's
Speaker 2: never gonna happen. Every time I think about it, I
Speaker 2: am just like that is so efficient and it is
Speaker 2: so effective. And you know, I think the trailer where
Speaker 2: we see Charles and everyone and he says, you know,
Speaker 2: it's time to tell him the truth. Oh the truth
Speaker 2: is you know mutants exist outside this world, and uh, yeah,
Speaker 2: I think House of M. Like there's so much stuff
Speaker 2: there because people get to live their dream lives, like
Speaker 2: Peter is happy, and then you have this choice of
Speaker 2: like having to give it up.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think another really good one, which is really new,
Speaker 2: is Captain Carter. Jamie McKelvey, Icondriga Cresta newer artists on
Speaker 2: that doing some really dynamic stuff. And if you enjoyed
Speaker 2: the first issue episode of What If If you want
Speaker 2: to know more about Captain Carter, who we think is
Speaker 2: probably going to show up in Doctor Strange Too, then
Speaker 2: this is a great place to go. It's got political intrigue,
Speaker 2: it's got anti fascist tendencies, It's got really really really
Speaker 2: really really cool character work for Captain Carter. It introduces
Speaker 2: a different version of Peggy that we've never seen. And
Speaker 2: I think this is again seeding. Do I think they're
Speaker 2: going to adapt Jamie's story? I wish they would probably
Speaker 2: not gonna happen. But is there a reason that there's
Speaker 2: a Captain Carter comic that you can buy right now
Speaker 2: that's going to be out during Strange Too? I believe so.
Speaker 2: So Yeah, this is a this is a really good one.
Speaker 3: Zig Uh, you know, last one. I'm glad that no
Speaker 3: one else covered it but Marvel Zombies. Was it was
Speaker 3: between this and World War Hocus what got me into
Speaker 3: Marvel comics proper. Like I was a cute obwously it
Speaker 3: was a huge Walking Dead fan. I was a huge
Speaker 3: horror fan in general. But Marvel Zombies, I mean they've
Speaker 3: already don the what if episode, and I feel like
Speaker 3: it seems such a fun universe for Marvel to tap
Speaker 3: into in the live action space, Like it would be
Speaker 3: crazy if you don't just see like zombie Wanda for like,
Speaker 3: you know, a split second, like Marvel you know, Change
Speaker 3: does his gang signs and you see your pop up
Speaker 3: in the back corner or whatever we see.
Speaker 2: It is strange and this is Sam Raimi, this is
Speaker 2: the Zombies, Like, yeah, that's a run. That's a killer.
Speaker 1: I absolutely love these res I hope they are helpful
Speaker 1: to people. Check out the show notes for any of
Speaker 1: the stuff that you missed to the run of the show.
Speaker 1: We'll have everything listed there. Up next nerd Out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: today's nerd Out, where you tell us what you love
Speaker 1: and why. Alice pitches us on a musical theater company
Speaker 1: called Star Kid Production's aka Team stark it.
Speaker 2: Hi x Ray Vision Team.
Speaker 5: My name is Alice and from my nerd out, I
Speaker 5: would like to submit a musical theater company called Starkt
Speaker 5: Productions or better known as Team star Kid. So I
Speaker 5: discovered Team Starkit over ten years ago through another fandom
Speaker 5: that I was in, which was for the TV show Plea,
Speaker 5: and when it was announced that Darren Chris would be
Speaker 5: joining the show, I decided to check out his previous
Speaker 5: work and I stumbled onto Team stark It because it
Speaker 5: was also a huge Harry Potter fan. The first thing
Speaker 5: I watched was there Harry Potter parody, which was a
Speaker 5: very Potter musical, and I completely fell in love with
Speaker 5: the writing and the humor and the songs. And a
Speaker 5: year later I then went to Chicago to see their
Speaker 5: newest show, Starship, which was a sci fi musical parody,
Speaker 5: and they were just as great live as I had
Speaker 5: seen on YouTube basically, And so why I think you
Speaker 5: should get into it is that they've created so many
Speaker 5: wonderful parody musicals about such a wide array of pop
Speaker 5: culture phenomena, including Star Wars, Harry Potter, superheroes, and even
Speaker 5: most recently of Christmas Carol. And I think the Extra
Speaker 5: Vision listeners and the Extra Vision team would really love
Speaker 5: the heartfelt way in which they pay tribute to these universes,
Speaker 5: and I think you would particularly like the little easter
Speaker 5: eggs and the little inside jokes that they throw in
Speaker 5: for the people who know that particular material.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: Their shows are done.
Speaker 4: By fans for fans, because everyone involved in Team Starket
Speaker 4: themselves is a nerd and you can really tell that
Speaker 4: they love the source material by the effort that they
Speaker 4: put into the writing and the music and the performances,
Speaker 4: and it's really lovely, and you can tell that they
Speaker 4: really genuinely love the shows and the movies and the
Speaker 4: comics or whatever other source material that they are drawing from,
Speaker 4: and the music and the writing and the performances are amazing,
Speaker 4: of course, But really the best part is that with
Speaker 4: every show they create, you either get to experience a
Speaker 4: new fandom if you're not familiar with the source material,
Speaker 4: or you get to appreciate a fandom that you're already
Speaker 4: a part of all over again and with a new
Speaker 4: point of view through their awesome songs. So I'm not
Speaker 4: sure what they have planned at the moment because of Corona,
Speaker 4: but for nerd out listeners, I would recommend checking out
Speaker 4: a very part of Musical Annie which is their Star
Speaker 4: Wars parody musical, or Holy Musical Batman which is their
Speaker 4: superhero show.
Speaker 2: And you can find all of those on.
Speaker 5: YouTube at Team starkd or you get more info about
Speaker 5: their project on their website teamstarkit dot com.
Speaker 1: All right, that's it for me.
Speaker 2: I hope you enjoy Team star Kid.
Speaker 1: Thanks bye, Thanks Alice for submitting. If you want to
Speaker 1: be featured, send you nerd out, pitch you x ray
Speaker 1: at crooked dot com. Instructions are in the show notes.
Speaker 1: A big thank you to Rosie Knight and Cody zig
Speaker 1: Ziggler for joining us on x ray zig. What do
Speaker 1: you got to plug? My guy? Tell us everything you know.
Speaker 3: If you're a fan of comic books, but I think
Speaker 3: you are for listening to this podcast, check out you
Speaker 3: know a spider Punk number one? There we go. Baby
Speaker 3: number two I think comes out the eighteenth of May.
Speaker 3: Don't quote me on that unless it's true, then quote
Speaker 3: me all you want to. And I believe what if
Speaker 3: Miles Morales number five comes out? But I may be wrong,
Speaker 3: But if not, check them all out because they're all
Speaker 3: fucking fantastic. Like I just read what If Miles was store,
Speaker 3: and it is the coolest shit I've ever read, really
Speaker 3: fun shout out to that. Right, it's the dopest, blackest
Speaker 3: shit I've ever seen. You got to check that out.
Speaker 3: It's so fucking clean.
Speaker 1: Rosie plugs, what do you plug in? I'm I'm going to.
Speaker 2: Again, but first Spider Punk. Like when I read that
Speaker 2: issue like one, it's amazing, It's brilliant. Justin's Oh my god,
Speaker 2: Jim's letters, I was dying. Cody's writing, It's fantastic. That
Speaker 2: is like one of the best number ones I've read
Speaker 2: in such.
Speaker 3: A long time.
Speaker 2: If you are of a certain age, you're you're a
Speaker 2: millennial or whatever they call us. You grew up in
Speaker 2: the zeros, you were dancing to a misfit song in
Speaker 2: a dive bar, you have some questionable tattoos. You will
Speaker 2: be screaming. This is a true book on every level.
Speaker 2: I love it. I tell everyone to read it. It's
Speaker 2: so good. And Jim's lettering is like, I can't get
Speaker 2: over it. It's it's some of the best best modern
Speaker 2: comic book lettering, and it adds so much. The final
Speaker 2: page splash, that's what I was gonna say.
Speaker 1: That is gonna say their final page. Look their teas
Speaker 1: on the final page. The final flash page is like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm like, want to give me the.
Speaker 2: Whole like back piece too of that final thing with
Speaker 2: the letters and the question.
Speaker 1: It's really really good. So yes, it's really good.
Speaker 2: Is very good. Obviously, what if Mars Morrel is every
Speaker 2: Mars Morleis should be every character so that yeah, Godzilla,
Speaker 2: it's it's pre orderable now, it should be coming out
Speaker 2: in August. That's the nature of comics. You pre order
Speaker 2: them now, it will be in your shop. Then we
Speaker 2: will likely be doing some core signings and stuff like that,
Speaker 2: so keep an ear out for that stuff. You can
Speaker 2: find me on Instagram. That's where I am, and just
Speaker 2: doing all this, doing this writing about comics, writing about
Speaker 2: TV shows, and just talking about all this cool stuff
Speaker 2: is a good life.
Speaker 1: I check out our videos on the Uncultured YouTube channel
Speaker 1: and the show notes for the listener's guide to Extra Vision,
Speaker 1: where we provide more details of where to find the
Speaker 1: stuff that we talk about on every episode. Check the
Speaker 1: next episode on May six, where we're gonna find out
Speaker 1: if all the theories that we have been spouting over
Speaker 1: the weeks about Doctor Stage and the Multiverse a mannas
Speaker 1: are ind correct. If they are, we're gonna talk about
Speaker 1: it more. If they're not, that's the nature of the business. Folks,
Speaker 1: Next time maybe Bye x ray Vision is a Crooked
Speaker 1: Media production. The show is produced by Chris Lorden Salrubin.
Speaker 1: The show is executive produced by myself and Sandy Rhard
Speaker 1: are editing in sound designs by Facilius Photopolos. Dellan Villanueva
Speaker 1: and Matta Group provide video production support and Alex Relaford
Speaker 1: handle social media. Thank you Brian Vasquez for theme music.
Speaker 2: Bye