WEBVTT - Single Best Idea with Tom Keene: Ziad Daoud & Michael Nierenberg

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<v Speaker 1>Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news.

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<v Speaker 2>Single best idea after an exhausting week, and just a

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<v Speaker 2>little backstory here. It's the time and this week alexis

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<v Speaker 2>story and behind us are without exaggeration, twenty full time

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<v Speaker 2>people just trying to make it go to get from

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<v Speaker 2>Nathan Hager, to get to what we're doing, to get

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<v Speaker 2>on to Carol and Tim in the afternoon. But around that,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not kidding, just one hundred full time people in

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<v Speaker 2>the Middle East, and I'm probably under that it's probably

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<v Speaker 2>two hundred as well, all sorts of conversations today on

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<v Speaker 2>the war, it's economic impact as well ed Morse with

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<v Speaker 2>Us yesterday from Hartree. Thank you for the response to that.

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<v Speaker 2>Zaia Dawd is out of the London School of Economics,

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<v Speaker 2>quite definitive. He was a Kennedy at Harvard and he

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<v Speaker 2>holds court is our em economist. A report that went

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<v Speaker 2>worldwide last night, and how we get to one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and sixty five dollars oil briefly the middle of this

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<v Speaker 2>year and all of it because of a scope and

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<v Speaker 2>scale of the Straits of muse. Let's listen.

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<v Speaker 1>It is large, and it's large, and it's concentrated. If

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<v Speaker 1>you think about it what it transports. It transports aill

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<v Speaker 1>in gas and energy from the Middle East to the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of the world, and the rest of the world

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<v Speaker 1>sends almost everything else of the Middle East needs through

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<v Speaker 1>that strait. So it is a lot of trait that

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<v Speaker 1>goes there is concentrated in a crucial commodity that is

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<v Speaker 1>all in gas. And the other thing with the strait

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<v Speaker 1>of hormones, which is different than the Swiss Canalis, not

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<v Speaker 1>just the size is not alternative. So most of the

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<v Speaker 1>oil that's going from Saudi Arabia, from Iraq, from Vuae

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<v Speaker 1>goes through hormas. All the energy that goes from Kuwait,

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<v Speaker 1>Bahrain and Katar goes through hormess. It's a big shock

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<v Speaker 1>twenty percent of global oil supplies, right. I can't think

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<v Speaker 1>of a larger ol shock and release into history. This

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<v Speaker 1>is not the largest than it's one of the largest,

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<v Speaker 1>for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>There's just absolutely brilliant And you know, I looked up

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<v Speaker 2>the numbers here. That's what I do with AI and

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<v Speaker 2>really the only equivalent to Harmuz is the Straits of

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<v Speaker 2>Malacca down by Malaysia and Singapore and north of Indonesia.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean other than Malaca and the conduit going up

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<v Speaker 2>the Pacific Riom to Japan. There's no other scale and size.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we're only beginning to really understand the factor,

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<v Speaker 2>the magnitude scale of Harmus, the Persian, the Arabian golf

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<v Speaker 2>as well with as Michael Nihrenberg of Rhythm, and of

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<v Speaker 2>course this would have been the number one topic of

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<v Speaker 2>the week except a war, and that is private credit

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<v Speaker 2>and the challenges that are out there. He's with Rhythm.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's listen, listen, there's going to be pockets of private

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<v Speaker 3>credit that are that are going to you know, right now.

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<v Speaker 3>Obviously in the news private credit is negative. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>think all private credit is negative, to be totally honest.

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<v Speaker 3>I think there's been some Obviously there's been some headlines

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<v Speaker 3>with some of the other larger asset managers that have

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<v Speaker 3>put up gates, and I think a lot of that

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<v Speaker 3>has to do with what we what we've seen the

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<v Speaker 3>distribution of private credit into retail, and when you take

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<v Speaker 3>products that may not be one hundred percent suited for retail,

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<v Speaker 3>and retail wants their money out because equity markets have

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<v Speaker 3>turned over and folks are looking for liquidity. It creates

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<v Speaker 3>a little bit of what we'll call us a so

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<v Speaker 3>called run on the bank.

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<v Speaker 2>Michael Nirenberg there with the rhythm today in private credit

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<v Speaker 2>special things, as well to Hugh vonsteinas of Oliver Wyman,

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<v Speaker 2>Oliver Wyman Vice Chair, Oliver Wyman, who was just brilliant

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<v Speaker 2>there on getting through the weekend of private credit. Both

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<v Speaker 2>of them fairly optimistic that it would be contained around

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<v Speaker 2>the retailization of private credit and that a large part

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<v Speaker 2>of the industry would continue to move forward. On podcast

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<v Speaker 2>as we're on Apple, we're on Spotify, on YouTube podcasts,

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