1 00:00:02,080 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: So far, every crucial moment that has come along in 2 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:12,560 Speaker 1: the whole Muller investigation thing has been letting air out 3 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 1: of the Trump impeachment balloon, right, so far, not inflating it. Yeah. Yeah, 4 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:21,079 Speaker 1: And we'll see if there's yet another one of those 5 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 1: tomorrow when Muller testifies in front of two House committees. 6 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 1: Rosalind Helderman is a Washington Post reporter focusing on political 7 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:33,199 Speaker 1: enterprise story and stories and investigations, and joins us. Now, Rosalind, 8 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:35,919 Speaker 1: how are you? I'm good? How are you excellent? I 9 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 1: noticed there in your your curriculum, vite, he says, trying 10 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 1: to to appear to be your equal, A p A 11 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 1: in history from Harvard Hunt. Do you have a favorite era? 12 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 1: I love history of all kinds. I like the modern era. Um, 13 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 1: but yeah, that's a that's a long ago resume point. 14 00:00:57,600 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: Well that's all right. We just we're both history freaks 15 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 1: and what we like talking about it with anybody wants to, 16 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 1: but you clearly don't. So listen, let's talk about the 17 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 1: Muller testimony tomorrow. And I've read some of your reporting 18 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 1: in the good stuff that Devilon Barrett and Matt Zappatosky 19 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:15,119 Speaker 1: have written. In the post um, the more I learned, 20 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:19,399 Speaker 1: the less I expect. Is that wrong? I don't think 21 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 1: so necessarily. I mean, you know, we only heard from 22 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 1: Bob Moore once across this entire investigation. He gave that 23 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 1: public statement in May announcing that he was closing the 24 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 1: investigation that was less than ten minutes long, and he 25 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 1: said several times in the course of that statement that 26 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 1: he did not especially wish to testify before Congress, that 27 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 1: he considered his report to be his testimony, uh, and 28 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 1: that he found additional testimony to be unnecessary. So you're 29 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 1: dealing kind of with a with a hostile witness. His 30 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: goal is to not share anything beyond his report and 31 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 1: to not make any any news. Now that having been said, 32 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 1: he really didn't make any news at that press conference 33 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:00,559 Speaker 1: in May either. He didn't say any sing that wasn't 34 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 1: in the report then either, And yet for a lot 35 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 1: of people that was still surprising just to hear him 36 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:09,079 Speaker 1: say the things that were in the report made a 37 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:11,800 Speaker 1: lot of news open some people's eyes. So Democrats are 38 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 1: sort of hopeful that if they can just get him 39 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 1: to talk about what's actually in the report, maybe it 40 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 1: will sort of refocus Americans attention on some of the day. 41 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 1: So far, every crucial moment that has come along in 42 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 1: the whole Mueller investigation thing has been letting air out 43 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 1: of the Trump impeachment balloon right so far, at least 44 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:40,359 Speaker 1: not inflating it. Yeah. Yeah, And we'll see if there's 45 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 1: yet another one of those tomorrow when Mueller testifies in 46 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 1: front of two House committees. Rosalind Helderman is a Washington 47 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 1: Post reporter focusing on political enterprise story and stories and investigations, 48 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 1: and joins us. Now, Rosalind, how are you. I'm good? 49 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:58,799 Speaker 1: How are you excellent? I noticed there in your your 50 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 1: curriculum vte, he says, trying to to appear to be 51 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 1: your equal A BA in history from Harvard Hunt. Do 52 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:11,919 Speaker 1: you have a favorite era? I love history of all kinds. 53 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 1: I like the modern era. Um, but yeah, that's a 54 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: that's a long ago resume point. Well, that's all right. 55 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 1: We just we're both history freaks, and so we like 56 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 1: talking about it with anybody wants to, but you clearly don't. 57 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:29,080 Speaker 1: So listen, let's talk about the Mueller testimony tomorrow. And 58 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: I've read some of your reporting in the good stuff 59 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 1: that Devlin Barrett and Matt Zappatosky have written in the 60 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 1: post um, the more I learned, the less I expect. 61 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 1: Is that wrong? I don't think so necessarily. I mean, 62 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 1: you know, we only heard from Bob Moore once across 63 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: this entire investigation. He gave that public statement in May 64 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: announcing that he was closing the investigation that was less 65 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 1: than ten minutes long, and he said several times in 66 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 1: the course of that statement that he did not especially 67 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 1: wish to testify before Congress, that he considered his report 68 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: to be his testimony, uh, and that he found additional 69 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: testimony to be unnecessary. So you're dealing kind of with 70 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 1: a with a hostile witness. His goal is to not 71 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 1: share anything beyond his report and to not make any 72 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 1: any news. Now that having been said, he really didn't 73 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:19,679 Speaker 1: make any news at that press conference in May either. 74 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:22,839 Speaker 1: He didn't say anything that wasn't in the report then either, 75 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 1: And yet for a lot of people that was still 76 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 1: surprising just to hear him say the things that were 77 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 1: in the report made a lot of news open some 78 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 1: people's eyes. So Democrats are sort of hopeful that if 79 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 1: they can just get him to talk about what's actually 80 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:39,839 Speaker 1: in the report, maybe it will sort of refocus Americans 81 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 1: attention on some of the damaging details that are actually 82 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:45,679 Speaker 1: contained in that document. Kind of reminds you the Battle 83 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 1: of Hastings, doesn't history major trying to drag you back 84 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:55,280 Speaker 1: into baby So yeah, I think I get it that 85 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 1: I saw one report where they're gonna cut up portions 86 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:01,160 Speaker 1: of Democrats. So this is a good idea. Are going 87 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 1: to cut up portions of Mueller's testimony, which is just 88 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 1: basically the Muller Report, but nobody's read it, uh and 89 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 1: and get that out on social media and hope there's 90 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 1: this is a second chance to get out the information 91 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 1: that he gathered, thinking it will be damaging to the president. 92 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 1: Is that the goal? Yeah, I mean I think we've 93 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 1: heard a little bit that the Democrats on the House 94 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 1: Intelligence Committee, who are likely to be focused a little 95 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 1: bit more on what the Russians did during the investigation 96 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:29,159 Speaker 1: and the moments where the Trump campaigns seemed to sort 97 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 1: of welcome the Russian assistance, even if there was not 98 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: a criminal conspiracy um, which we know from the report. 99 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 1: Uh So, there's some sense that they may try to 100 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 1: push Mower to provide some new facts to go a 101 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 1: little bit beyond the four corners of the report. The 102 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:49,160 Speaker 1: Judiciary Committee Democrats, who are apparently going to focus on 103 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 1: the second volume of the report, dealing with possible obstruction 104 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: of justice, have signaled that they intend to stick much 105 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 1: more closely to what's actually in the document and basically 106 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:02,599 Speaker 1: try to get Bob Moller to narrate some of these 107 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 1: rather dramatic moments where the president really did appear to 108 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 1: try to interfere in the investigation and kind of just 109 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:13,840 Speaker 1: lay out those facts and so that Americans better understand, uh, 110 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 1: some of the president's behavior. Not I fully get that. Now, 111 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 1: which one's first, the which committees first? I believe Judiciary 112 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 1: is okay, So, and that's the one where they're going 113 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:23,840 Speaker 1: to try to get him to narrate the report. As 114 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 1: you just said, Yeah, a little backward, feel like you 115 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 1: start with Russia and then go to obstruction. But I 116 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 1: think I think it's going to go in the other order. 117 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 1: But is there any reason he's going to go along 118 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 1: with that? I mean, he doesn't have to be the 119 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 1: dancing monkey that reads the reporter. Really just say it's 120 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 1: on page you could I don't feel like it. Yeah, 121 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 1: I mean we'll know in twenty four hours, you know, 122 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 1: we do have some sense of him that, you know, 123 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 1: he does not like partisan nonsense. He doesn't want to 124 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 1: be there. He's he's already been given some restrictions by 125 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:54,040 Speaker 1: the Department of Justice on what they think he should 126 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 1: be talking about. On the other hand, you know, I 127 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: don't think that the Special Counsel's Office and the prosecutors 128 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 1: in that office wrote report, uh just for their own 129 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 1: sense of fun. Like I do think that they want 130 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 1: Americans to read it, and they want Americans to understand 131 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 1: what's in it. That's a good point. So, you know, 132 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 1: so we may find that he is a little less 133 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 1: hostile than you would think from that may press conference 134 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 1: that if the Democrats don't push him too hard, if 135 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 1: they don't sort of try to get him to go 136 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 1: somewhere that's not in the report in terms of like 137 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 1: declaring that the president committed a crime, he may be 138 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 1: willing to do a certain amount of just describing what's 139 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 1: in the report. Right although I think, and I just 140 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 1: learned this this morning. He Mueller asked, and we're talking 141 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 1: about Rosalyn Hilderman of the Washington Post um about the 142 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 1: Mueller hearings tomorrow. But Mueller asked to be subpoenaed, and 143 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 1: I just realized I found out why. It's so he's 144 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 1: now got to follow in effect the rules of a 145 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: Justice Department employee, which include, for instance, not um not 146 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: impugning unindicted uncharged third parties, not in fact not even 147 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 1: discussing them. Established policy I'm quoting from the post now 148 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 1: also precludes any comment on the facts developed in legal 149 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 1: conclusions by the Special Counsel's Office with respect and uncharged individuals. 150 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 1: I mean, it really sounds like the rules are pretty 151 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 1: he's pretty well climbed down by them. Well, so he's 152 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 1: got this letter now in hand. So if he encounters 153 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 1: questions he doesn't want to answer, he has sort of 154 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 1: the ability to fall back and say, the Department of 155 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 1: Justice has indicated I shouldn't be answering these. But at 156 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:34,439 Speaker 1: the end of the day, it's going to be him. 157 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 1: They're live and it will be up to him what 158 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 1: to answer. There's very little sort of recourse the Department 159 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 1: of Justice would have against him, uh if he didn't 160 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:46,319 Speaker 1: follow those guidelines. And what's more, you know, you might 161 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 1: remember the Attorney General came out maybe a week or 162 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 1: two ago and actually said that he thought that the 163 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 1: Special Council shouldn't have to testify at all, and sort 164 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 1: of signal that if Bob Mueller wanted to say, wanted 165 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:02,320 Speaker 1: to refuse, the Department of Justice would fight on his behalf. 166 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 1: He kind of signaled that, you know, they would have 167 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 1: his back if he wanted to tell Congress, I'm not 168 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 1: going to show up, there's no need for this. Then 169 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 1: there's this whole series you'll recall of other administration to 170 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 1: face hills who are in that posture, who have refused 171 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 1: to show up in the Department of Justice is going 172 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 1: to fight in court on their behalf to not appear. 173 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 1: And it appears as though Special Council Miller has not 174 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 1: taken the Department of Justice up on that sort of 175 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 1: vague offer to fight for him. He is going to 176 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 1: show up. And so you know, a lot of this 177 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 1: is in the mind of Bob Miller and none of us. 178 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 1: None of that's the place, none of us live, Just 179 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 1: like the Enlightenment. Wouldn't you say better one than that 180 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:43,679 Speaker 1: when you stole my Rosalind Helderman Washington Post A reporter, Well, 181 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:45,960 Speaker 1: I guess we'll find out together. Rosalind enjoyed the chat 182 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 1: as always very much. Thanks for the time. Thank you 183 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 1: so much for having me. What we'll make tomorrow's history tomorrow? 184 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 1: All right, I'll jump that down. That's very clever. I 185 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 1: got a couple of chuckles out of the history nerd 186 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:02,200 Speaker 1: from Harvard, so that's what was my goal. So I 187 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:06,680 Speaker 1: was gonna ask this interview, was your Waterloo Rosland? That's 188 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 1: better than what I said, significantly better. Um oh, and 189 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 1: you know what I wanted to go with, what was 190 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 1: the disastrous campaign that the Churchill led World War Only? Yeah, 191 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 1: except I wasn't a hundred percent sure how to pronounce it. 192 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 1: I thought it was Gallipoli, So that's fun to say. 193 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 1: Let's say it together. We didn't get to the other 194 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 1: side of the aisle, which you know I should ask her. 195 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 1: But uh, Republicans. The claim is Republicans. This is their 196 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 1: opportunity to drill down on how when did you know 197 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 1: the Steele dossier was bogus? And why did you keep 198 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 1: going all this sort of Does he need to answer 199 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 1: those questions or does he The short answer is no, 200 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 1: and we made reference to him. I'm sorry, we probably 201 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 1: should have explained it better. But this letter from the 202 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 1: Justice Department instructing Old Bob Muller on what he can 203 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 1: and cannot say and should and should not say. It 204 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:05,560 Speaker 1: really limits him. It's from the Deputy Attorney General. Mueller 205 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 1: requested earlier this month guidance on how to handle questions 206 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 1: quote concerning privilege or other legal bars applicable to potential 207 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 1: testimony in connection with the subpoenis and and the report 208 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 1: and the letter notes Mueller had resisted testifying. The Department 209 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 1: agrees that you shouldn't be testifying anyway. It's unnecessary and 210 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 1: that will remind you. Don't say anything about unindicted individuals 211 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 1: or uncharged individuals. Um, you've got to follow all the 212 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 1: court orders and blah blah blah, and just in other words, 213 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:43,079 Speaker 1: shut your mouth. And I expect him to give little. 214 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 1: Now I'm trying to think through, based on my legal education, 215 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 1: which included almost applying to law school, whether if they 216 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 1: asked him, when did you know the still dossier was fake? 217 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 1: If he probably just sayd I'm not prepared to discuss that. 218 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:00,680 Speaker 1: You might hear that phrase over and over again. Justice 219 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 1: Department rules preclude me from discussing that. You better get prepared, buddy. 220 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 1: That's that's what my yes to. All right, Well, Okay 221 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 1: asked whether Mueller intended to speak beyond his report. One 222 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:20,440 Speaker 1: of the media people involved in in his his getting 223 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:24,200 Speaker 1: ready to testify referred to a main news conference in 224 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 1: which Mueller said he would not, and added, as he 225 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 1: made pretty clear, then you can expect him to stick 226 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 1: pretty close to the four walls of the report. This 227 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:37,320 Speaker 1: could be almost laughably uncomfortable tomorrow. Then that would be 228 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 1: perfect when like the fifth person in a row asked 229 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 1: him as a question and he says again with a sigh, 230 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 1: as I've said previously, I'm most I would refer you 231 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 1: to the report. If the president was any other person, 232 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:55,960 Speaker 1: would you have indicted him. I'm not prepared to testify 233 00:12:56,160 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 1: as to the hypothetical blah blah blah he probably in. Actually, 234 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:02,080 Speaker 1: we'll probably have a stock phrase that doesn't even go 235 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 1: that far. It'll be down beyond the scope of the 236 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 1: report and go to lunch or bringing a bringing a 237 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 1: comedian to do a do an act for a little time, 238 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 1: or stretch stretch. Ye, I don't know. It could be 239 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 1: laughably weird tomorrow. If he just refuses to answer any questions, 240 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:21,959 Speaker 1: that'd be perfect. Or he could say I act all right. Finally, 241 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 1: I bet I've been aching to tell you this. Listen 242 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:26,679 Speaker 1: to that I picked the guy, you know, that's sort 243 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 1: of thing. It