WEBVTT - The Family Whistle 0:00:03.320 --> 0:00:06.720 You are listening to What in the Winkler and iHeartRadio podcast. 0:00:10.360 --> 0:00:12.520 Welcome back to the next episode. 0:00:12.119 --> 0:00:14.600 Of What in the Winkler with my. 0:00:14.680 --> 0:00:19.840 Two guests, Max Winkler and Henry Winkler. Hi, I just 0:00:19.880 --> 0:00:21.880 want to say, I really don't think that there's like 0:00:21.920 --> 0:00:23.599 a family podcast out there. 0:00:24.120 --> 0:00:26.880 Are king No, I'm not joking. 0:00:26.960 --> 0:00:28.639 Is there probably one million? 0:00:30.560 --> 0:00:31.560 Not one that I know of. 0:00:31.960 --> 0:00:35.239 I mean have sibling revelry, which is amazing, but that's siblings. 0:00:35.280 --> 0:00:37.519 They don't have like a with like all the family. Like, 0:00:37.560 --> 0:00:39.080 it's not like there's like a family. 0:00:39.320 --> 0:00:43.760 I love how you drink water, just full mouth over 0:00:43.800 --> 0:00:49.240 the spout like my daughter. Like it's a hot day 0:00:49.240 --> 0:00:51.200 in the forties and you're drinking out of a hose. 0:00:52.560 --> 0:00:53.600 You suck it down. 0:00:54.120 --> 0:00:55.920 When what can I ask you a question? 0:00:56.120 --> 0:00:57.920 I'm over caffeinated. 0:00:58.240 --> 0:01:01.639 You are okay because you come here with your beautiful 0:01:01.640 --> 0:01:06.680 wife and your baby. Don't girl on the weekends. I 0:01:06.959 --> 0:01:08.240 never see this. 0:01:08.280 --> 0:01:12.480 Personality because I want to be on camera, gotcha. 0:01:12.920 --> 0:01:14.200 I'm with you, okay. 0:01:14.440 --> 0:01:16.840 I'm thinking about starting on Instagram and you should. 0:01:17.720 --> 0:01:19.960 You should because you have a lot to say. 0:01:20.120 --> 0:01:26.040 I'm just telling you right now. He he is on it. Today, 0:01:26.160 --> 0:01:27.119 he is, he. 0:01:27.160 --> 0:01:28.680 Is, I am prepared. 0:01:28.760 --> 0:01:31.760 I want to get real. Let's get real and like, 0:01:31.880 --> 0:01:35.960 let's talk about this. I don't want to talk about 0:01:36.000 --> 0:01:37.560 the ski trip. I want to talk about what we 0:01:37.600 --> 0:01:38.480 didn't even talk about. 0:01:38.480 --> 0:01:39.880 Oh wait, we didn't tell that story. 0:01:40.000 --> 0:01:43.679 We can that story. Wait, a ski trip changed my mind. 0:01:43.920 --> 0:01:45.759 Let's do it. You go first. Wow. 0:01:47.040 --> 0:01:49.520 One time my dad took Max and I. 0:01:49.600 --> 0:01:51.200 To where were we? 0:01:51.200 --> 0:01:52.080 We were in New Mexicano. 0:01:52.120 --> 0:01:54.040 We're in New Mexico and Zanta Fe. 0:01:54.040 --> 0:01:56.560 And Mom passed on the family day. 0:01:56.720 --> 0:01:59.680 She didn't want to go on to New Mexico, didn't. 0:01:59.520 --> 0:02:03.360 She respect fancy should we go along? 0:02:03.640 --> 0:02:07.000 No, No, we're just talking about this, just the squad valley, Okay. 0:02:07.040 --> 0:02:10.359 So we went away and we were driving, I think, 0:02:10.400 --> 0:02:12.360 to a reservation right to see. 0:02:12.960 --> 0:02:14.959 You were taking us to see. 0:02:15.240 --> 0:02:18.239 I remember you were very connected to the Native American story. 0:02:18.440 --> 0:02:22.120 You were because you had taken Jed to see the 0:02:22.200 --> 0:02:26.520 Hopeye reservation. So you were so excited, and I don't know, 0:02:26.600 --> 0:02:29.040 something happened and you pulled over on the side of 0:02:29.080 --> 0:02:31.880 the highway and you got out of the car. 0:02:32.080 --> 0:02:36.399 Yes, I did buy like a crazy mistake life. 0:02:36.120 --> 0:02:38.639 And Max and I locked the doors yes, you did. 0:02:38.960 --> 0:02:41.280 You were on the side of the road for about 0:02:41.280 --> 0:02:42.360 a half an hour. 0:02:42.840 --> 0:02:44.399 And we were laughing so hard. 0:02:45.000 --> 0:02:48.400 It was so funny and it was so cold, and 0:02:48.440 --> 0:02:49.639 I couldn't get back in the car. 0:02:50.960 --> 0:02:53.840 I think we saw Geronimo on that trip. Who I 0:02:53.919 --> 0:02:56.680 think we saw the movie Geronimo in Santa Fe on 0:02:56.720 --> 0:03:00.839 that trip. That's not very important to start. You'd love 0:03:00.880 --> 0:03:03.360 West Study, Okay, Wes Study is great, one of my 0:03:03.360 --> 0:03:04.000 favorite actors. 0:03:04.080 --> 0:03:09.080 He was just in that wonderful series Reservation. He was. 0:03:10.200 --> 0:03:13.160 I just rewatched Last Mohigans and I remember that at 0:03:13.200 --> 0:03:16.040 a very early age, you got me a signed headshot 0:03:16.040 --> 0:03:18.160 from West Study. Yeah, it meant a great deal to me. 0:03:18.440 --> 0:03:25.880 I have to say that that movie, that actor, uh, 0:03:25.919 --> 0:03:30.520 just became like my symbols. 0:03:30.560 --> 0:03:33.480 I remember coming home from school one day and hearing 0:03:33.520 --> 0:03:36.400 the soundtrack blasting from the house, and I tracked the 0:03:36.400 --> 0:03:38.240 source of it, and you were sitting on a small 0:03:38.280 --> 0:03:41.520 stool by yourself in my room blasting it and doing 0:03:41.520 --> 0:03:43.640 a little jig with your feet. And I remember thinking, 0:03:43.680 --> 0:03:46.720 at a very early age, something else must be going 0:03:46.760 --> 0:03:50.520 on here. But here's what's interesting about this podcast. Here's 0:03:50.560 --> 0:03:54.840 what's interesting about this podcast. You ready for him. Are 0:03:54.880 --> 0:03:55.440 you ready for it? 0:03:55.480 --> 0:03:57.600 And I'm sitting on a on a stool. 0:03:59.440 --> 0:04:02.360 Three pm on a school day. No one in the 0:04:02.360 --> 0:04:05.200 world has ever thought that you would be hosting a 0:04:05.280 --> 0:04:08.320 podcast and that we would be talking about West Study 0:04:08.360 --> 0:04:11.680 on it, So we've broken the universe. No one study 0:04:11.840 --> 0:04:14.600 is exactly so that's why this is interesting. 0:04:14.680 --> 0:04:16.240 Okay, I'll look him up when we get when we're down. 0:04:16.440 --> 0:04:17.800 I believe he's Native American. 0:04:17.960 --> 0:04:21.840 Okay, great, Okay, go ahead. 0:04:20.800 --> 0:04:21.720 Bless West Studio. 0:04:21.760 --> 0:04:24.000 I'm excited to know. I'm excited. I can't wait to 0:04:24.040 --> 0:04:26.279 get to know him. How would you describe the dynamic 0:04:26.320 --> 0:04:28.960 between Max and I? 0:04:28.960 --> 0:04:37.200 I would I would say ninety nine percent love and 0:04:37.680 --> 0:04:39.840 then one percent. 0:04:41.160 --> 0:04:44.440 You make him insane, sane, he makes me insane to 0:04:44.640 --> 0:04:46.280 ok we have gotten into. 0:04:46.480 --> 0:04:51.039 Full full Also it's also also I make her insane. 0:04:51.600 --> 0:04:54.280 We get into we've gotten into like full, yes, full 0:04:54.520 --> 0:04:57.520 this fight, I have had to hold him around his 0:04:58.200 --> 0:05:02.200 waist and hold his arms to his waist so that 0:05:02.320 --> 0:05:03.599 he could not go after you. 0:05:03.720 --> 0:05:06.520 Yeah, yeah, I remember twice that it really happened. I 0:05:06.520 --> 0:05:09.480 remember once really happened when Matt Dines was over. Did 0:05:09.520 --> 0:05:11.000 you talk about me trying to push you on the stairs. 0:05:11.120 --> 0:05:12.520 Yeah, we talked about that a few did you. 0:05:12.480 --> 0:05:14.360 Talk about when you told me but. 0:05:14.360 --> 0:05:15.800 The girl that you had a crush on I didn't like you? 0:05:15.960 --> 0:05:17.839 Yeah, and she did, but she did by the way, 0:05:18.040 --> 0:05:19.440 by the way, she's never settled down. 0:05:19.680 --> 0:05:19.920 Okay. 0:05:20.120 --> 0:05:23.680 And I grabbed you by the arms. 0:05:23.040 --> 0:05:25.240 And I think you were sure. 0:05:25.600 --> 0:05:28.240 Yeah, I said something I don't know even were being annoying, 0:05:28.240 --> 0:05:29.680 and I was like, and by the way, she'll never 0:05:29.880 --> 0:05:31.040 like you back or something. 0:05:31.160 --> 0:05:33.120 She did like me, by the okay, And I bought 0:05:33.160 --> 0:05:35.239 her a chrome Heart's ring, probably a little too early 0:05:35.279 --> 0:05:35.920 in the court ship. 0:05:35.960 --> 0:05:36.680 I want to say something. 0:05:36.760 --> 0:05:41.000 Chrome Heart's Ace really really wants that for back. It's 0:05:41.480 --> 0:05:44.920 thirteen hundred dollars for a pair of sweatpants, Like wow, 0:05:45.360 --> 0:05:46.839 I almost passed. 0:05:47.320 --> 0:05:49.080 No, No, I can get your pair of sweatpants and 0:05:49.120 --> 0:05:52.040 we'll just print chrome heart on it. 0:05:52.120 --> 0:05:56.000 I was shook. And you we've talked about that. I'm 0:05:56.000 --> 0:05:58.080 not great with money, and I was shook. To my 0:05:58.160 --> 0:05:58.800 court you're not. 0:06:00.440 --> 0:06:02.400 Okay. Now we're keeping it real. 0:06:02.600 --> 0:06:03.560 We're keeping it real. 0:06:04.160 --> 0:06:05.120 To it wasn't that real. 0:06:05.200 --> 0:06:08.159 So you did. We went right from you left me 0:06:08.600 --> 0:06:10.760 outside in the cold, locked out. 0:06:10.960 --> 0:06:14.360 Now, so our relationship so our relationship is definitely like 0:06:14.520 --> 0:06:16.920 ninety nine point nine. Also, I feel like it's only 0:06:16.960 --> 0:06:18.520 gotten better as we've. 0:06:18.320 --> 0:06:20.680 We'll tell you what I have seen over the years. 0:06:21.240 --> 0:06:26.080 The one thing is Max is amazingly wise. He is 0:06:26.160 --> 0:06:31.240 wise naturally. I'm telling you it is like cosmically wise. 0:06:31.839 --> 0:06:36.240 And I have seen him walk around our living room 0:06:36.400 --> 0:06:42.359 in this house when you are distraught, you are filled 0:06:42.480 --> 0:06:47.960 with tears, and him telling you everything he could think 0:06:48.040 --> 0:06:50.560 of in order to calm you down. 0:06:50.680 --> 0:06:52.479 Would you say, it's often that I'm distraught? 0:06:52.520 --> 0:06:58.560 And do you think we call that Tuesday? I think 0:06:58.560 --> 0:07:02.800 we'd call that Monday before lunch. Oh god, I think 0:07:02.839 --> 0:07:06.720 we call that Thursday at the farm shop between seven 0:07:07.120 --> 0:07:08.600 and four twelve at night. 0:07:08.920 --> 0:07:11.360 Okay, thanks guys, I appreciate it. 0:07:11.560 --> 0:07:12.080 It's okay. 0:07:12.280 --> 0:07:13.160 Do you feel like. 0:07:14.960 --> 0:07:17.520 There was some sort of So there's three of us, 0:07:17.520 --> 0:07:20.520 but Jed was gone at college, you know by the 0:07:20.520 --> 0:07:24.040 time I was nine and Max was six, and I'm 0:07:24.040 --> 0:07:26.080 going to have him on to tell his side and 0:07:26.120 --> 0:07:28.960 his version. But would you say that do you think 0:07:29.000 --> 0:07:31.640 that you and Mom, to the best of your ability, 0:07:31.720 --> 0:07:34.560 treated Max and I the same. 0:07:35.360 --> 0:07:36.160 The all three of you. 0:07:36.760 --> 0:07:38.200 Well, yeah, but Max. 0:07:38.040 --> 0:07:40.320 Is here, so yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I mean we're 0:07:40.360 --> 0:07:43.320 all different kids. But did you have the same rules 0:07:43.360 --> 0:07:43.680 for us? 0:07:43.720 --> 0:07:46.560 All we had the same rules, and I have to 0:07:46.600 --> 0:07:51.480 say that each of you followed the rules differently. This 0:07:51.560 --> 0:07:54.520 is the amazing thing about being a parent. You can 0:07:54.680 --> 0:08:01.760 have multiple children pretty much from the same person, and 0:08:01.880 --> 0:08:05.640 they are completely different being I have that right now. 0:08:05.800 --> 0:08:11.200 Children come onto the earth fully who they are, and 0:08:11.320 --> 0:08:15.960 all we can do is guide them. We can't, you know, really, 0:08:16.000 --> 0:08:20.080 they have their own nature. Itazing and once you submit 0:08:20.160 --> 0:08:22.960 to that, parenting is a lot easier. 0:08:23.360 --> 0:08:25.000 So would you say we're treated the same. 0:08:26.040 --> 0:08:29.920 I think you were treated as best as we could 0:08:30.360 --> 0:08:35.559 the same. Remember, each of you were so different. Like, Okay, 0:08:35.800 --> 0:08:38.160 you had a curfew. You had to be home at 0:08:38.160 --> 0:08:42.480 a certain time. Every time you missed your curfew, you 0:08:42.559 --> 0:08:47.160 lost ten minutes. So eventually you went out, got all ready, 0:08:47.640 --> 0:08:49.600 You went out at eight o'clock, and you were back 0:08:49.640 --> 0:08:50.480 at eight fifteen. 0:08:52.320 --> 0:08:54.360 Right, and Max never missed a curfew. 0:08:54.840 --> 0:09:00.640 Max missed curfews, but he always made sure he called 0:09:00.679 --> 0:09:02.840 to say he was going to be late, which was 0:09:02.880 --> 0:09:03.319 the rule. 0:09:04.160 --> 0:09:07.920 So did I Max, Like would get drunk in the closet. 0:09:08.920 --> 0:09:14.000 Max would get my curfew that way, Okay, can I 0:09:14.200 --> 0:09:17.680 just say that is something I never did that. No, 0:09:18.320 --> 0:09:22.959 you know you're you're a wonderful person. You're a wonderful daughter, 0:09:23.320 --> 0:09:29.479 especially now in your forties. You are so caretaking. 0:09:29.840 --> 0:09:33.800 Yeah, really, you didn't talk about that caretaking. 0:09:33.880 --> 0:09:35.079 You don't think I'm a caretaker. 0:09:35.559 --> 0:09:36.320 I think you are. 0:09:36.280 --> 0:09:39.800 Good at that, very good, very lovely, very thoughtful. 0:09:39.840 --> 0:09:42.680 What do you want, Like, what's the point? 0:09:42.920 --> 0:09:43.000 Like? 0:09:43.160 --> 0:09:43.439 Great? 0:09:45.280 --> 0:09:45.600 Great? 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:48.280 I'm trying to think, like, what was the most important 0:09:48.320 --> 0:09:56.720 thing that dad, that and Mom instilled in us as siblings? 0:09:58.360 --> 0:09:58.840 Siblings? 0:09:58.920 --> 0:10:01.080 I think Mom and Dad we both didn't have a 0:10:01.120 --> 0:10:04.440 close relationship with their siblings, and so it was always 0:10:04.600 --> 0:10:07.760 very important for you. That is true too, for us 0:10:07.800 --> 0:10:10.559 to always remember that, like, that is true to stay close. 0:10:10.679 --> 0:10:13.680 I only remember having a lot of fun with you, yeah, 0:10:13.720 --> 0:10:16.680 and playing games and thinking you and your friends were 0:10:16.720 --> 0:10:19.760 so cool and wanting to we were be around you. 0:10:19.760 --> 0:10:22.920 You know what I love when we went out into 0:10:22.960 --> 0:10:23.360 the world. 0:10:23.400 --> 0:10:24.880 When he says he loves my friends, it's because he 0:10:24.920 --> 0:10:27.719 slept with more than half of them, just so you. 0:10:27.679 --> 0:10:29.480 Know, Okay, it's a man of taste. 0:10:30.080 --> 0:10:31.959 So never I met a friend is always. 0:10:31.720 --> 0:10:33.640 I didn't like It's really true. 0:10:34.120 --> 0:10:34.880 So gross. 0:10:36.160 --> 0:10:42.840 All right, But when we went out, as when we 0:10:42.880 --> 0:10:46.040 went out, and let's say we were in a department store, 0:10:47.800 --> 0:10:51.000 I always let you go and do what you needed 0:10:51.040 --> 0:10:53.880 to do and be around and take a walk. But 0:10:54.000 --> 0:10:56.400 when I said it was time, we had to go 0:10:56.520 --> 0:11:00.880 now and we had to leave together, you guys always listen. 0:11:00.920 --> 0:11:03.120 And we knew that because you would do your little whistle. 0:11:03.440 --> 0:11:06.600 We have a family whistle. To your family whistle, No 0:11:06.760 --> 0:11:07.280 I can't. 0:11:07.400 --> 0:11:11.040 It was like this, that's exactly right, and you would 0:11:11.040 --> 0:11:13.200 hear it and you'd be at the department store and 0:11:13.280 --> 0:11:14.360 be like, you gotta go. 0:11:16.160 --> 0:11:19.240 We had a family whistle. Yes, one of the few 0:11:19.320 --> 0:11:21.640 things I inherited from my father. 0:11:21.760 --> 0:11:25.160 Got the family whistle. Oh my god. 0:11:25.240 --> 0:11:28.000 And also remember what Dad would do when we would 0:11:28.000 --> 0:11:28.600 hold hands. 0:11:29.760 --> 0:11:30.640 Oh, you would always do that. 0:11:30.840 --> 0:11:33.240 He'd squeeze your hand three times, I love you, and 0:11:33.280 --> 0:11:34.880 then you'd squeeze it back I love you too. 0:11:35.400 --> 0:11:39.000 Yeah. Yeah, it made me so happy. Oh my god. 0:11:39.040 --> 0:11:41.480 The family whistle just brought me like to my knees. 0:11:41.800 --> 0:11:44.000 I totally that is so funny. 0:11:44.200 --> 0:11:46.400 And thank you for being able to whistle. Yeah I 0:11:46.440 --> 0:11:47.520 can't do that anymore. 0:11:47.640 --> 0:11:48.840 Yeah, my great pleasure. 0:11:49.000 --> 0:11:53.840 Yeah, but let me ask you a question. Max. When 0:11:53.920 --> 0:11:58.160 you directed your first movie, Ceremony, and we did press together, 0:12:00.320 --> 0:12:05.240 you said in the media one of your biggest problems 0:12:05.280 --> 0:12:08.319 growing up was that you were loved too much. 0:12:08.480 --> 0:12:09.600 I said that to the media. 0:12:09.960 --> 0:12:10.600 Yes, you did. 0:12:12.200 --> 0:12:14.240 All twelve people who covered that movie. 0:12:15.760 --> 0:12:17.240 I believe that. 0:12:20.080 --> 0:12:24.439 Oh my god, everything is great, and everything is Yes, 0:12:25.280 --> 0:12:26.920 then it's hard for me to accept. 0:12:27.200 --> 0:12:28.400 You're okay. You're okay. 0:12:28.480 --> 0:12:31.520 No, I know you're really I just wanted to. 0:12:31.520 --> 0:12:35.600 Know if why, or what was the genesis of that, 0:12:35.760 --> 0:12:39.800 because let's get real. I said to you, if I 0:12:39.880 --> 0:12:42.640 did it again, I would do it exactly the same way. 0:12:43.040 --> 0:12:46.679 And you were punished, but you you didn't require a 0:12:46.679 --> 0:12:47.720 lot of punishment. 0:12:49.000 --> 0:12:51.160 And to be fair, whenever you spanked me, you always 0:12:51.160 --> 0:12:52.000 asked me to spank you. 0:12:52.080 --> 0:12:58.959 Back my god, Oh my god. Okay, that's great. 0:12:59.120 --> 0:12:59.920 You want to get real. 0:13:00.320 --> 0:13:02.320 Let's get real. So let's get real. When did I 0:13:02.400 --> 0:13:03.000 spank you? 0:13:03.800 --> 0:13:05.760 Never wanted to be spanked right back. 0:13:06.000 --> 0:13:09.000 Never did I spank you. But anyway, let's go. 0:13:10.000 --> 0:13:11.800 I don't remember why I said that. I was twenty 0:13:11.800 --> 0:13:12.880 five and other movie coming. 0:13:12.920 --> 0:13:15.480 By the way, that's exactly what you've always said that 0:13:15.640 --> 0:13:18.480 I thought I was criticized too much, and you felt 0:13:18.480 --> 0:13:21.120 you were you were not criticized enough. 0:13:21.200 --> 0:13:25.400 I've always looked for validation from colder parental figures, and 0:13:25.440 --> 0:13:26.960 I think that was because I was in such a 0:13:27.000 --> 0:13:31.000 warm house and honestly, well, can I see the things 0:13:31.040 --> 0:13:32.720 I've seen. I'll take it all. 0:13:32.679 --> 0:13:35.720 Right, So let me let me start anew and just 0:13:35.800 --> 0:13:37.200 say you're an asshole. 0:13:38.320 --> 0:13:42.080 I love you, and I feel really grateful for the 0:13:42.160 --> 0:13:46.960 example that you set as a father and a provider, 0:13:47.240 --> 0:13:51.080 and I wouldn't change anything now and I we are 0:13:51.760 --> 0:13:54.680 the way we are because of that. And if I 0:13:54.880 --> 0:13:57.520 said that, I probably I don't know why I said 0:13:57.520 --> 0:13:58.000 that I was twenty. 0:13:58.160 --> 0:13:59.160 You've said it many times. 0:13:59.320 --> 0:14:01.720 Yeah, you've said that. Not for a second time, no, 0:14:01.760 --> 0:14:02.120 but it. 0:14:02.120 --> 0:14:05.320 Has always I've always wanted to really get to the 0:14:05.440 --> 0:14:08.880 root of that because I didn't understand it, and I 0:14:09.960 --> 0:14:10.560 understand it. 0:14:10.880 --> 0:14:14.560 I think I was over praised. I think like that's possible, 0:14:14.920 --> 0:14:15.680 and it's not. 0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:18.800 I feel like there's never enough praise for me. Just 0:14:18.840 --> 0:14:20.520 so you both know, Yeah, but you know what. 0:14:20.600 --> 0:14:24.560 I think also, that is part of your own nature, 0:14:25.480 --> 0:14:31.400 you know. It's the lack of self I felt growing up. 0:14:33.520 --> 0:14:36.880 I know where it came from. But I know that feeling, 0:14:37.680 --> 0:14:40.960 so I know how you feel, Zoe. 0:14:41.880 --> 0:14:44.840 But that's interesting because it's it's all part of the 0:14:44.920 --> 0:14:49.680 inner generational chain, because I think you really are determined 0:14:49.720 --> 0:14:55.360 to make your kids feel so seen and heard because 0:14:55.400 --> 0:14:56.440 you didn't feel seen in her. 0:14:56.600 --> 0:14:57.080 That's not true. 0:14:57.080 --> 0:14:59.840 I actually did feel very seen and heard by mom, 0:14:59.880 --> 0:15:07.520 and I always felt like I really I felt beyond 0:15:07.600 --> 0:15:09.840 scene and beyond herd and I felt but I felt 0:15:09.840 --> 0:15:12.280 sometimes misunderstood because I'm so. 0:15:14.720 --> 0:15:16.200 Sensitive and emotional. 0:15:16.280 --> 0:15:19.840 I felt like sometimes I wasn't taken seriously with what 0:15:19.880 --> 0:15:22.520 I was feeling, or I have sometimes a hard time 0:15:22.720 --> 0:15:27.280 explaining what I'm feeling without getting sort of like lost in. 0:15:27.240 --> 0:15:28.120 The emotion of it all. 0:15:30.400 --> 0:15:33.960 You know what I want to say, that that is 0:15:34.280 --> 0:15:35.360 in your core? 0:15:35.560 --> 0:15:36.560 Yeah, you know. 0:15:37.320 --> 0:15:39.960 I'm just say I'm a very sensitive person and I 0:15:40.040 --> 0:15:42.880 don't have the ability. One thing about me is that 0:15:42.960 --> 0:15:45.280 you always know exactly what I'm thinking, so you never 0:15:45.360 --> 0:15:48.080 have to guess I hate that feeling and so, and 0:15:48.520 --> 0:15:52.400 for better or for worse, You'll never I'll never You'll 0:15:52.440 --> 0:15:54.040 never think like, oh, is she upset with me? 0:15:54.120 --> 0:15:55.880 Because I'll be very clear that I am. 0:15:56.000 --> 0:15:59.840 I don't do well with people putting a spin on 0:16:00.160 --> 0:16:06.040 their answer, and it is not directly clearly exactly yes 0:16:06.280 --> 0:16:07.360 or no or whatever. 0:16:07.680 --> 0:16:10.400 But I definitely felt seen and heard by Mom and Dad. 0:16:10.600 --> 0:16:16.680 I just felt a little bit misunderstood, and my version 0:16:16.760 --> 0:16:19.480 of like what was the truth was my version of 0:16:19.520 --> 0:16:23.360 the truth, and so I just felt like sometimes I 0:16:23.440 --> 0:16:24.400 was misunderstood. 0:16:24.480 --> 0:16:28.840 But you know what a parent you there, there are 0:16:28.920 --> 0:16:32.440 so many things coming at you so quickly, so often 0:16:33.200 --> 0:16:37.080 that you you have to pick and choose. Yeah, you know, 0:16:37.160 --> 0:16:41.520 and sometimes, oh my godness, Max just reached over our 0:16:41.600 --> 0:16:44.400 couch and gave his sister a kiss on the films. 0:16:44.960 --> 0:16:48.200 All right, I forgot we're modern. 0:16:49.320 --> 0:16:53.680 But I guess the thing I'm thinking about is who cares? 0:16:53.960 --> 0:16:55.080 Who cares about? What? 0:16:54.960 --> 0:16:56.640 What does wrong with you? 0:16:57.360 --> 0:16:58.680 We're talking about Max? 0:16:58.680 --> 0:17:01.520 I feel or heard like you had everything, Max, Like, 0:17:01.600 --> 0:17:05.080 what are we talking about? It's not it's a difference, 0:17:05.119 --> 0:17:07.919 and like you loved like they did the best they could. 0:17:08.080 --> 0:17:08.320 Max. 0:17:09.640 --> 0:17:13.040 Yeah, And I'm not saying yeah, so you felt too praised? 0:17:13.359 --> 0:17:16.200 You had everything? The most fucking thing I've ever heard 0:17:17.000 --> 0:17:18.480 nine times in the media. 0:17:18.240 --> 0:17:20.800 About it, but we are talking about it, and I 0:17:20.840 --> 0:17:25.360 have to tell you right now, your daughter is becoming 0:17:25.400 --> 0:17:29.360 a self. I mean, her personality is emerging, and it's. 0:17:29.160 --> 0:17:31.000 Because I don't praise her that she has such a 0:17:31.000 --> 0:17:31.720 good personality. 0:17:31.760 --> 0:17:34.160 You don't praise her, no, praise her all. 0:17:34.440 --> 0:17:37.160 I don't raise her. I praise her when she does 0:17:37.200 --> 0:17:40.920 things deserving of praise every three or four minutes. When 0:17:40.960 --> 0:17:44.320 she does things deserving of praise, are you praise I 0:17:44.359 --> 0:17:46.520 can't tell her just joking, of course I praise her. 0:17:46.520 --> 0:17:47.080 I love her. 0:17:47.119 --> 0:17:52.639 But like, also, like what I'm saying, do you understand 0:17:52.680 --> 0:17:56.919 that people who are going on are having exactly the 0:17:57.000 --> 0:18:00.399 same thoughts or problems or conversation And he. 0:18:00.400 --> 0:18:02.480 Doesn't understand because he just told me on the prior 0:18:02.560 --> 0:18:07.160 episode last week that he actually doesn't give a fuck 0:18:07.640 --> 0:18:10.359 about like saying hello to people or do things like 0:18:10.440 --> 0:18:12.600 that because because no, no, no. 0:18:12.320 --> 0:18:13.040 But he is, like. 0:18:15.080 --> 0:18:17.159 I disagree with that. I don't think I have a 0:18:17.240 --> 0:18:26.000 d d oh, yeah's on film. 0:18:26.000 --> 0:18:28.600 I don't have to say he leaned across and gave 0:18:28.600 --> 0:18:29.400 his sister a kiss. 0:18:29.840 --> 0:18:34.200 But like, I just like what you Let's not talk 0:18:34.240 --> 0:18:36.320 about being like not seen or heard greatly? 0:18:36.440 --> 0:18:38.160 Okay, let's what would. 0:18:38.240 --> 0:18:39.680 Because would you like to talk about Max? 0:18:39.760 --> 0:18:42.480 Because talk about the spankings. 0:18:44.160 --> 0:18:48.000 You are unable to get into the real thing about life, 0:18:48.160 --> 0:18:49.800 and you say you try to be funny and you 0:18:49.800 --> 0:18:50.280 talk about this. 0:18:51.000 --> 0:18:53.080 Okay, so let's get into the real stuff. I just like, 0:18:53.800 --> 0:18:56.600 I feel like I'm guessing that people on the podcast, 0:18:56.760 --> 0:18:59.840 your listeners know already that you felt misunderstood as a. 0:18:59.840 --> 0:19:01.919 Kid, and we've never actually talked about it. 0:19:02.000 --> 0:19:02.440 Okay, great. 0:19:02.800 --> 0:19:06.199 Also, I want to just say something that for this 0:19:06.400 --> 0:19:09.200 is my experience, and so it's what if and if 0:19:09.240 --> 0:19:12.720 I I think that it is really important to say, like, yes, 0:19:12.920 --> 0:19:16.399 I did have more than I could ever hope for 0:19:16.480 --> 0:19:20.439 in the world, and I still feel sometimes like I 0:19:20.480 --> 0:19:22.960 don't know, I don't feel good enough about myself. 0:19:23.040 --> 0:19:25.199 I think that's like a really right. Oh, thank you 0:19:25.240 --> 0:19:28.120 so much. That's interesting to you. Okay, guys, we found 0:19:28.160 --> 0:19:29.679 something that's interesting to Max Winkler. 0:19:29.840 --> 0:19:34.080 God bless very Okay, great, great, oh perfect, Okay, thank you. 0:19:34.119 --> 0:19:36.639 Here it is. It's go go back to exactly what 0:19:36.680 --> 0:19:41.600 we said. No matter what your experience is, your core 0:19:42.280 --> 0:19:46.600 doesn't always filter what is happening in the real world 0:19:46.960 --> 0:19:50.359 with what is happening emotionally in your mind. The way 0:19:50.400 --> 0:19:51.560 your mind is wired. 0:19:51.720 --> 0:19:52.600 Oh so in life. 0:19:52.440 --> 0:19:54.560 You're constantly like, if I do this, if I get 0:19:54.600 --> 0:19:57.560 this job, if I lose this amount of weight, if 0:19:57.560 --> 0:20:01.600 I marry that guy, I'll feel good. And sometimes it 0:20:01.680 --> 0:20:06.280 is only it is only in yourself, that's right. 0:20:06.400 --> 0:20:09.440