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Speaker 1: You are listening to What in the Winkler and iHeartRadio podcast.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the next episode.

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Speaker 3: Of What in the Winkler with my.

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Speaker 1: Two guests, Max Winkler and Henry Winkler. Hi, I just

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Speaker 1: want to say, I really don't think that there's like

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Speaker 1: a family podcast out there.

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Speaker 2: Are king No, I'm not joking.

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Speaker 4: Is there probably one million?

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Speaker 2: Not one that I know of.

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Speaker 1: I mean have sibling revelry, which is amazing, but that's siblings.

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Speaker 1: They don't have like a with like all the family. Like,

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Speaker 1: it's not like there's like a family.

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Speaker 4: I love how you drink water, just full mouth over

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Speaker 4: the spout like my daughter. Like it's a hot day

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Speaker 4: in the forties and you're drinking out of a hose.

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Speaker 4: You suck it down.

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Speaker 5: When what can I ask you a question?

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Speaker 4: I'm over caffeinated.

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Speaker 5: You are okay because you come here with your beautiful

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Speaker 5: wife and your baby. Don't girl on the weekends. I

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Speaker 5: never see this.

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Speaker 4: Personality because I want to be on camera, gotcha.

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Speaker 5: I'm with you, okay.

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Speaker 4: I'm thinking about starting on Instagram and you should.

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Speaker 5: You should because you have a lot to say.

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Speaker 3: I'm just telling you right now. He he is on it. Today,

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Speaker 3: he is, he.

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Speaker 5: Is, I am prepared.

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Speaker 4: I want to get real. Let's get real and like,

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Speaker 4: let's talk about this. I don't want to talk about

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Speaker 4: the ski trip. I want to talk about what we

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Speaker 4: didn't even talk about.

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Speaker 3: Oh wait, we didn't tell that story.

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Speaker 4: We can that story. Wait, a ski trip changed my mind.

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Speaker 4: Let's do it. You go first. Wow.

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Speaker 2: One time my dad took Max and I.

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Speaker 3: To where were we?

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Speaker 5: We were in New Mexicano.

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Speaker 3: We're in New Mexico and Zanta Fe.

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Speaker 4: And Mom passed on the family day.

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Speaker 2: She didn't want to go on to New Mexico, didn't.

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Speaker 5: She respect fancy should we go along?

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Speaker 2: No, No, we're just talking about this, just the squad valley, Okay.

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Speaker 1: So we went away and we were driving, I think,

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Speaker 1: to a reservation right to see.

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Speaker 3: You were taking us to see.

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Speaker 4: I remember you were very connected to the Native American story.

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Speaker 1: You were because you had taken Jed to see the

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Speaker 1: Hopeye reservation. So you were so excited, and I don't know,

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Speaker 1: something happened and you pulled over on the side of

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Speaker 1: the highway and you got out of the car.

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Speaker 5: Yes, I did buy like a crazy mistake life.

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Speaker 3: And Max and I locked the doors yes, you did.

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Speaker 5: You were on the side of the road for about

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Speaker 5: a half an hour.

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Speaker 2: And we were laughing so hard.

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Speaker 5: It was so funny and it was so cold, and

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Speaker 5: I couldn't get back in the car.

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Speaker 4: I think we saw Geronimo on that trip. Who I

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Speaker 4: think we saw the movie Geronimo in Santa Fe on

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Speaker 4: that trip. That's not very important to start. You'd love

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Speaker 4: West Study, Okay, Wes Study is great, one of my

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Speaker 4: favorite actors.

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Speaker 5: He was just in that wonderful series Reservation. He was.

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Speaker 4: I just rewatched Last Mohigans and I remember that at

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Speaker 4: a very early age, you got me a signed headshot

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Speaker 4: from West Study. Yeah, it meant a great deal to me.

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Speaker 5: I have to say that that movie, that actor, uh,

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Speaker 5: just became like my symbols.

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Speaker 4: I remember coming home from school one day and hearing

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Speaker 4: the soundtrack blasting from the house, and I tracked the

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Speaker 4: source of it, and you were sitting on a small

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Speaker 4: stool by yourself in my room blasting it and doing

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Speaker 4: a little jig with your feet. And I remember thinking,

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Speaker 4: at a very early age, something else must be going

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Speaker 4: on here. But here's what's interesting about this podcast. Here's

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Speaker 4: what's interesting about this podcast. You ready for him. Are

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Speaker 4: you ready for it?

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Speaker 5: And I'm sitting on a on a stool.

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Speaker 4: Three pm on a school day. No one in the

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Speaker 4: world has ever thought that you would be hosting a

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Speaker 4: podcast and that we would be talking about West Study

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Speaker 4: on it, So we've broken the universe. No one study

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Speaker 4: is exactly so that's why this is interesting.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I'll look him up when we get when we're down.

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Speaker 5: I believe he's Native American.

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Speaker 2: Okay, great, Okay, go ahead.

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Speaker 3: Bless West Studio.

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Speaker 1: I'm excited to know. I'm excited. I can't wait to

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Speaker 1: get to know him. How would you describe the dynamic

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Speaker 5: I would I would say ninety nine percent love and

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Speaker 5: then one percent.

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Speaker 1: You make him insane, sane, he makes me insane to

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Speaker 1: ok we have gotten into.

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Speaker 4: Full full Also it's also also I make her insane.

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Speaker 1: We get into we've gotten into like full, yes, full

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Speaker 1: this fight, I have had to hold him around his

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Speaker 1: he could not go after you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I remember twice that it really happened. I

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Speaker 4: remember once really happened when Matt Dines was over. Did

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Speaker 4: you talk about me trying to push you on the stairs.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we talked about that a few did you.

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Speaker 4: Talk about when you told me but.

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Speaker 2: The girl that you had a crush on I didn't like you?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and she did, but she did by the way,

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Speaker 4: by the way, she's never settled down.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 4: And I grabbed you by the arms.

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Speaker 2: And I think you were sure.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I said something I don't know even were being annoying,

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Speaker 1: and I was like, and by the way, she'll never

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Speaker 1: like you back or something.

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Speaker 4: She did like me, by the okay, And I bought

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Speaker 4: her a chrome Heart's ring, probably a little too early

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Speaker 4: in the court ship.

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Speaker 3: I want to say something.

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Speaker 1: Chrome Heart's Ace really really wants that for back. It's

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Speaker 1: thirteen hundred dollars for a pair of sweatpants, Like wow,

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Speaker 1: I almost passed.

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Speaker 5: No, No, I can get your pair of sweatpants and

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Speaker 5: we'll just print chrome heart on it.

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Speaker 1: I was shook. And you we've talked about that. I'm

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Speaker 1: not great with money, and I was shook. To my

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Speaker 1: court you're not.

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Speaker 5: Okay. Now we're keeping it real.

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Speaker 2: We're keeping it real.

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Speaker 4: To it wasn't that real.

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Speaker 5: So you did. We went right from you left me

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Speaker 5: outside in the cold, locked out.

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Speaker 1: Now, so our relationship so our relationship is definitely like

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Speaker 1: ninety nine point nine. Also, I feel like it's only

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Speaker 1: gotten better as we've.

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Speaker 5: We'll tell you what I have seen over the years.

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Speaker 5: The one thing is Max is amazingly wise. He is

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Speaker 5: wise naturally. I'm telling you it is like cosmically wise.

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Speaker 5: And I have seen him walk around our living room

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Speaker 5: in this house when you are distraught, you are filled

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Speaker 5: with tears, and him telling you everything he could think

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Speaker 5: of in order to calm you down.

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Speaker 2: Would you say, it's often that I'm distraught?

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Speaker 4: And do you think we call that Tuesday? I think

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Speaker 4: we'd call that Monday before lunch. Oh god, I think

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Speaker 4: we call that Thursday at the farm shop between seven

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Speaker 4: and four twelve at night.

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Speaker 2: Okay, thanks guys, I appreciate it.

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Speaker 5: It's okay.

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Speaker 3: Do you feel like.

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Speaker 1: There was some sort of So there's three of us,

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Speaker 1: but Jed was gone at college, you know by the

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Speaker 1: time I was nine and Max was six, and I'm

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Speaker 1: going to have him on to tell his side and

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Speaker 1: his version. But would you say that do you think

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Speaker 1: that you and Mom, to the best of your ability,

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Speaker 1: treated Max and I the same.

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Speaker 5: The all three of you.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, but Max.

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Speaker 1: Is here, so yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I mean we're

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Speaker 1: all different kids. But did you have the same rules

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Speaker 5: All we had the same rules, and I have to

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Speaker 5: say that each of you followed the rules differently. This

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Speaker 5: is the amazing thing about being a parent. You can

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Speaker 5: have multiple children pretty much from the same person, and

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Speaker 5: they are completely different being I have that right now.

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Speaker 5: Children come onto the earth fully who they are, and

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Speaker 5: all we can do is guide them. We can't, you know, really,

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Speaker 5: they have their own nature. Itazing and once you submit

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Speaker 5: to that, parenting is a lot easier.

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Speaker 3: So would you say we're treated the same.

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Speaker 5: I think you were treated as best as we could

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Speaker 5: the same. Remember, each of you were so different. Like, Okay,

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Speaker 5: you had a curfew. You had to be home at

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Speaker 5: a certain time. Every time you missed your curfew, you

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Speaker 5: lost ten minutes. So eventually you went out, got all ready,

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Speaker 5: You went out at eight o'clock, and you were back

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Speaker 5: at eight fifteen.

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Speaker 2: Right, and Max never missed a curfew.

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Speaker 5: Max missed curfews, but he always made sure he called

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Speaker 5: to say he was going to be late, which was

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Speaker 3: So did I Max, Like would get drunk in the closet.

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Speaker 5: Max would get my curfew that way, Okay, can I

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Speaker 5: just say that is something I never did that. No,

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Speaker 5: you know you're you're a wonderful person. You're a wonderful daughter,

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Speaker 5: especially now in your forties. You are so caretaking.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, really, you didn't talk about that caretaking.

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Speaker 3: You don't think I'm a caretaker.

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Speaker 4: I think you are.

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Speaker 5: Good at that, very good, very lovely, very thoughtful.

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Speaker 4: What do you want, Like, what's the point?

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Speaker 5: Like?

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Speaker 4: Great?

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Speaker 5: Great?

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to think, like, what was the most important

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Speaker 1: thing that dad, that and Mom instilled in us as siblings?

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Speaker 4: Siblings?

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Speaker 1: I think Mom and Dad we both didn't have a

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Speaker 1: very important for you. That is true too, for us

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Speaker 1: to always remember that, like, that is true to stay close.

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Speaker 4: I only remember having a lot of fun with you, yeah,

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Speaker 4: and playing games and thinking you and your friends were

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Speaker 4: so cool and wanting to we were be around you.

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Speaker 5: You know what I love when we went out into

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Speaker 5: the world.

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Speaker 1: When he says he loves my friends, it's because he

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Speaker 1: slept with more than half of them, just so you.

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Speaker 5: Know, Okay, it's a man of taste.

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Speaker 4: So never I met a friend is always.

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Speaker 3: I didn't like It's really true.

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Speaker 2: So gross.

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Speaker 5: All right, But when we went out, as when we

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Speaker 5: went out, and let's say we were in a department store,

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Speaker 5: I always let you go and do what you needed

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Speaker 5: to do and be around and take a walk. But

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Speaker 5: when I said it was time, we had to go

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Speaker 5: now and we had to leave together, you guys always listen.

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Speaker 4: And we knew that because you would do your little whistle.

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Speaker 3: We have a family whistle. To your family whistle, No

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Speaker 3: I can't.

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Speaker 4: It was like this, that's exactly right, and you would

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Speaker 5: But you know what a parent you there, there are

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Speaker 4: But I guess the thing I'm thinking about is who cares?

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Speaker 5: Who cares about? What?

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Speaker 3: What does wrong with you?

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Speaker 5: We're talking about Max?

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Speaker 4: I feel or heard like you had everything, Max, Like,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I'm not saying yeah, so you felt too praised?

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Speaker 5: About it, but we are talking about it, and I

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Speaker 4: Because I don't praise her that she has such a

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Speaker 4: I don't raise her. I praise her when she does

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Speaker 5: But like, also, like what I'm saying, do you understand

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Speaker 4: But like, I just like what you Let's not talk

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Speaker 4: Because talk about the spankings.

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Speaker 1: You are unable to get into the real thing about life,

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Speaker 3: I think that's like a really right. Oh, thank you

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Speaker 5: Here it is. It's go go back to exactly what

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Speaker 3: Oh so in life.

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Speaker 1: You're constantly like, if I do this, if I get

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Speaker 4: It's an unfillable hole, that's right. I think that not.

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Speaker 5: But it is. But Max, sometimes I you are so

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Speaker 4: Prove it. I'm not lost. There are things about me

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Speaker 4: I forget to close drawers. I am who I am?

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Speaker 3: Okay, well, I think you know what I am? Who

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Speaker 4: Saying I'm trying the best I can is and.

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Speaker 1: Always never said that. I don't ever say that. No,

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Speaker 2: What Oh no, wait, my mom.

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Speaker 5: I've seen It's been maybe the shade. You haven't seen

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Speaker 5: That is a wonderful thing. The when you actually see

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Speaker 4: not a million, not a million, and I have.

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Speaker 5: Both of you have done extraordinary work on improving yourself

453
00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:56,919
Speaker 5: as beings on the earth.

454
00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:00,920
Speaker 2: You have to you constantly have to change a while

455
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:02,120
Speaker 2: to get there.

456
00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,399
Speaker 5: I started ten.

457
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:06,960
Speaker 4: Years got into therapy a little late, I think ten years.

458
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:08,600
Speaker 3: Ago, but you gave us the biggest gift.

459
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,920
Speaker 2: You started me at seven for therapy, very very early,

460
00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:14,080
Speaker 2: seven years old. Doctor barks at.

461
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 5: That time a chunk of Swiss cheese with a lot

462
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:22,160
Speaker 5: of holes, and I am working on becoming a chunk

463
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 5: of Cheddar.

464
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:26,639
Speaker 1: Used to describe me as a cupcake that wasn't fully

465
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,360
Speaker 1: baked inside that I was still like a little raw

466
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:33,520
Speaker 1: or like a turtle without its shell. Because everything, because

467
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:38,200
Speaker 1: everything really just like made me feel. I feel everything

468
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:44,040
Speaker 1: so deeply, and I think that there was like that

469
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 1: is a muscle that you have to exercise, muscle trying

470
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:51,440
Speaker 1: to not take everything, you know.

471
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:57,680
Speaker 5: Rowing some people who literally cut off all of that feeling. Yeah,

472
00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:00,840
Speaker 5: and then they are they are last in that way.

473
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:05,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, you would have benefited from some tough love.

474
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:10,120
Speaker 1: I think I have tough love. Mom, is very tough

475
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:13,240
Speaker 1: but for you, but for.

476
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:20,640
Speaker 5: Me, huh oh the meow turned out.

477
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't really, I don't.

478
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:27,119
Speaker 1: Tough love doesn't work for me, and it doesn't work

479
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 1: for my some one of like a few of my kids.

480
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:31,800
Speaker 1: It just I don't feel like that. Also, I think

481
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:33,960
Speaker 1: is a myth. I mean, yes, if I was like

482
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:35,440
Speaker 1: a drug addict or something.

483
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 5: But likes but it works specifically.

484
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 1: And and some people, yeah, and some people that's what

485
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 1: they need. And clearly that's what you needed more of.

486
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:45,639
Speaker 1: That's not what I needed more of.

487
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 5: But it never dawned on me. I never that he

488
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:52,680
Speaker 5: needed tough love. All I knew he didn't.

489
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:53,640
Speaker 2: He's just fine.

490
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 3: He needed nothing else.

491
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:59,439
Speaker 5: He could never have been tougher than I was because

492
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:00,640
Speaker 5: of what I went.

493
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:02,399
Speaker 1: I would never, by the way, if I were like that,

494
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 1: if I was tough on my kids, they would feel

495
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 1: So it's funny because actually last night I Jewles had

496
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 1: his championship baseball game.

497
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:14,160
Speaker 5: I was there.

498
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:14,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh, you.

499
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 2: Were right, and he last.

500
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:20,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he he played.

501
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 2: He played amazing in the last game, this nice game.

502
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 5: Played. He made two outs, fielding the ball and throwing

503
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 5: the unbelievable.

504
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,680
Speaker 1: And he hit amazing, but but it was the other

505
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 1: So the coaches are coaches we've never had before, and

506
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:43,680
Speaker 1: and they were tough. And one of them was extremely tough,

507
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 1: and his son was on the team.

508
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,639
Speaker 5: With the kid with the man with the red sweaterir No.

509
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 1: The other one, and he was very tough on his son.

510
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 1: And I watched the whole thing and it was funny

511
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 1: because I was watching it because Jewels.

512
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 3: Sometimes Jewles is.

513
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 1: Very emotional, and so when he makes a mistake or

514
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,120
Speaker 1: when when they lost the game, he was really sad.

515
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,399
Speaker 1: He was crying, and I wanted him to just like

516
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 1: make the mistake during the game and move on and

517
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 1: just like go on to the next play. But he

518
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 1: gets emotional. And I was watching this man speak to

519
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,680
Speaker 1: his son and it was like very very, very tough,

520
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 1: and the kid was still crying and the kids still

521
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 1: felt bad.

522
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:20,399
Speaker 3: And then I thought to.

523
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 1: Himself, like, what does that do, right, He's seeing it

524
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 1: and it's not doing the job.

525
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:27,440
Speaker 2: It's not making the kids stop crying.

526
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:28,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not making the kid.

527
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:32,399
Speaker 1: It's just actually making the kid feel worse for feeling

528
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:36,120
Speaker 1: whatever it is that he's feeling. There's somewhere in the middle, Yeah,

529
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 1: there's somewhere in the middle, you know, it's not you

530
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:39,919
Speaker 1: don't have to baby them and say like, oh, you know,

531
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 1: but and you also don't have to shame them.

532
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 3: You just so I think, I don't.

533
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 2: I don't.

534
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 1: I don't believe all the time that tough love, Like

535
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,200
Speaker 1: I don't always think it works, because it made one

536
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 1: of my kids, you know, not want to play club

537
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 1: baseball anymore because he was like, I'm not I don't

538
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 1: like it anymore. Like it's not even fun for me anymore,

539
00:26:58,160 --> 00:26:58,359
Speaker 1: you know.

540
00:26:58,480 --> 00:26:59,920
Speaker 5: So, but that's not tough love.

541
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 2: Well the coach it.

542
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 3: Was, you know, like it was like tough you know. Yeah, yeah,

543
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:06,119
Speaker 3: so I don't know.

544
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:07,199
Speaker 5: I don't. I don't. I don't know his.

545
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 1: Yeah he does, but not he he didn't he left

546
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 1: that particularly.

547
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, but that was like I saw some of those

548
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 5: games that was it was I didn't like being there.

549
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, it wasn't great.

550
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:21,920
Speaker 5: Also, the frankfooter at the stand wasn't good.

551
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:27,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was gross. But yeah, but I I I,

552
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 3: I don't know.

553
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,160
Speaker 1: I feel like there were so many things, more things

554
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,880
Speaker 1: than not that I try to do similar in.

555
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 2: Raising my kids than not.

556
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 3: Don't you think what is that face.

557
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 5: About?

558
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 4: What I'm just thinking about the different styles of parenting.

559
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:49,199
Speaker 3: No, you're not.

560
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:50,679
Speaker 2: You're like thinking about what you're going to have for

561
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:51,399
Speaker 2: lunch or something.

562
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,199
Speaker 4: I literally was just thinking about what I was going

563
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 4: to have for lunch. That's incredible.

564
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 5: I know each other so well.

565
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was wondering if it's amazing.

566
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,479
Speaker 2: I feel super close to you. I feel very lucky

567
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:07,399
Speaker 2: that and I feel super close to his wife.

568
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I'm so grateful for that, and I feel

569
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 4: grateful for my parents, and I feel grateful for all

570
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 4: of it.

571
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 1: And I feel very close to his child, and I

572
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,679
Speaker 1: know how close my kids feel to them. So I

573
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:23,439
Speaker 1: feel at the end of the day even like with

574
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 1: all the stuff.

575
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 5: But stuff, there is nobody in the universe that doesn't

576
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 5: have a bag of stuff around their necks.

577
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,160
Speaker 3: I agree, And it's literally just and.

578
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 5: It's how you deal with the stuff. How you you

579
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 5: you lighten that bag of stuff, how you just put

580
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 5: your head down and move forward instead of letting the

581
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 5: stuff weigh you down into a stop.

582
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I still feel like you favored Max though.

583
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, but it's not true. Just saying it's not true.

584
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 5: And I think that you know what I have written down.

585
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 3: And I think that Max loves it.

586
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 5: He loves love it.

587
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 4: I don't love being the favorite. It's the only way

588
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 4: I've ever known my existence. So it's not that I

589
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 4: love it. I don't know anything different. I don't know, Prince,

590
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 4: I don't.

591
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 3: That's right, the Prince, That is exactly right.

592
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 4: I don't know what it's like to not be the favorite,

593
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 4: to be honest with you, and so maybe it's been

594
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 4: the youngest.

595
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 2: Maybe it's you think you try to sometimes.

596
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 3: Did you think that.

597
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 4: You like never, I would never want to spike the

598
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 4: football in front of you. It's you're too scary. I

599
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 4: never like purposely try. Yes, when you were in a

600
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 4: bad mood. Yes, it was at Laticia's wedding and oh.

601
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, at a broken foot and I was in

602
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 1: devastating and I was in pain, and I.

603
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 4: Had Feller knows you had a broken foot.

604
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 3: I didn't even realize. But I had COVID.

605
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 4: Well, that explains it. I didn't know that that was this.

606
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 5: I'm not talking about any rose.

607
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 4: I'm it was a thing of was a product of COVID.

608
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 4: Like I know, like people in the world still have COVID,

609
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 4: and like, don't inflict abuse on everyone in there like way,

610
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 4: I'm that beautiful. You forget about being wa Hawkan dancing

611
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 4: and you were just like this where the Wahawkan dancers

612
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 4: were going your signess.

613
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 3: I was not. I loved the wedding. You annoy me

614
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 3: sometimes and.

615
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 1: Literally you were like breathing and you were just being

616
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 1: a jerk, and you didn't check on me, check on

617
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 1: I want to.

618
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 4: I want to use this podcast as an opportunity to

619
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 4: tell you I'm so sorry that I breathed, and I'm

620
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 4: so sorry that when you are in such a heinous,

621
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 4: terrifying mood that you are completely unapproachable that I find

622
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 4: the best thing to do is just give you space.

623
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 5: No, no, but you haven't.

624
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 2: All you had to do was like come up and

625
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 2: ask me if I was okay?

626
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 5: Really, nobody, that's not fair.

627
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 3: I was going through a hard time and I was

628
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 3: very clear.

629
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 4: But I didn't find out about it until a week later.

630
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 4: So the whole time my wife and I thinking what

631
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 4: did we do? Why she mad at us? And then

632
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 4: a week later you do.

633
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 3: Have all the time, and I'm exhausted by them.

634
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 4: And I'm like, okay, great, that makes sense. How can

635
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 4: I be helpful?

636
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 2: Okay? Well, sometimes it takes me a minute.

637
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 4: So you were amazing. When you are in like a

638
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,479
Speaker 4: sort of as we used to say with Hamlet or

639
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 4: red zone, you are unapproachable.

640
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 1: Now you're comparing me to the dog that no, no,

641
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 1: no bites people.

642
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 5: Perhaps you bit people. The dog is no longer with it.

643
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 3: I thank god I was happy when the dog.

644
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 5: I have to say I was not a fan.

645
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, because you're a bitch.

646
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 5: And no, that is not true. How long did you

647
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 5: leave that dog?

648
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 4: In greatest gift you've ever given said, he left the

649
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 4: dog here, Like the greatest gift you've ever given me.

650
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 4: I didn't leave it here.

651
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 5: You left him.

652
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 1: You left him here if it wasn't safe enough for

653
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 1: you and your child to be around, why would it

654
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 1: be safe enough for a seventy.

655
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 4: Never care. It's the greatest gift you've ever given me.

656
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 2: Is okay for a seventy nine year rated man, and

657
00:31:59,400 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 2: it stopped.

658
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 4: The greatest gift you've ever given me in my life

659
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 4: was taking care of Hamlet, and I did take good

660
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 4: care for in my life. The greatest gift you ever

661
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 4: gave me was taking care of that dog for three

662
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 4: years of my daughter's life. And the greatest gift that

663
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 4: dog ever gave me, besides eternal friendship and love, was

664
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 4: never going after my daughter. And he knew he did

665
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 4: a saint.

666
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 3: My brother in law to the point where he had

667
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 3: to go to the hospital.

668
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 4: Arthur asked for it, but to be fair, he handled

669
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 4: himself incredibly good. He never told a soul, he never snitched,

670
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 4: and for that, Arthur has my undying protection.

671
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 3: I want to explain something to you.

672
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 1: If that dog, if it was someone else, like someone

673
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 1: that worked at the event that I was having, or

674
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 1: something a dad could have been sued for like millions of.

675
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 4: Dollars, wasn't.

676
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 5: But it was Arthur.

677
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 4: And I'm glad it was Arthur because he handled himself

678
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 4: incredibly well. And Arthur will forever be taken care of.

679
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Speaker 4: Arthur handled himself like a mensch.

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Speaker 2: That day he bit your wife, he bit Schmid.

681
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Speaker 4: He they were all asking for it.

682
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Speaker 5: Oh my god.

683
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Speaker 4: You don't walk around a dog when he's eating. You

684
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Speaker 4: don't enter a room.

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Speaker 3: I have dogs, and I know what my.

686
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 4: Dogs, zeros in the world would be A better dog

687
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 4: was insane. He had had trauma, had trauma.

688
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Speaker 1: And unless you're going to care for the dog, then

689
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 1: there's I don't want to talk about the dog anymore.

690
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 1: It's taking time and it's boring.

691
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 3: No one cares.

692
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 4: But I will never I will never get mad at

693
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 4: you because of what you've done for him. Thank you,

694
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 4: Thank you.

695
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 5: I love you. I love you too.

696
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Speaker 3: You don't get mad?

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Speaker 5: Why would you be mad?

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00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 4: Never? Because he took care of him.

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00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 5: What did I do that?

700
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 4: Nothing? I'm just saying it will always mean if I did,

701
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 4: it is the greatest gift anyone has ever given me.

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Speaker 3: I'll still get mad at you.

703
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, but you haven't in the longest time. But when

704
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 5: you did get mad at me, I stood right there

705
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 5: in the kitchen on the phone, and I swear to God,

706
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 5: the entire mechanism meltics.

707
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Speaker 4: One's very scared when you get mad.

708
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Speaker 3: First of all, I want to say something.

709
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Speaker 1: The other day, you were a little bit spicy with me,

710
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 1: was yep, And usually like that, you were just like

711
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 1: you were snippy and usually and I'm a human being, right,

712
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 1: but usually for me as a very for me, as

713
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 1: a very emotional person, I would get snippy back. And

714
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 1: I didn't, and you apologized and we moved on. And

715
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 1: it wasn't it could that could have been?

716
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 5: That could have been again.

717
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 4: You both have anger problems.

718
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Speaker 2: What are you talking?

719
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 5: You know what? I might have talk about it. I

720
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 5: do get angry, but not often. When I do, it's explosive.

721
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Speaker 3: Have you ever gotten mad at you ever? In your

722
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 3: entire but.

723
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 4: When he gets angry at you, it's very scary.

724
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly right. You've never gotten mad at him ever?

725
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, you did. When Schmid and I stayed out past

726
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 4: curfew and Hawaii, you really were scary.

727
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 5: And when we sat on the on the on the

728
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 5: soccer trip, no, or on a on a soccer.

729
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:11,760
Speaker 4: It wasn't wasn't soccer. No, it wasn't soccer. Wasn't soccer.

730
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 4: When you've been mad at Zoe before, uh, and you've

731
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 4: used the F word, it's been scary.

732
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Speaker 3: But I I yeah, I would say you are a

733
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:24,280
Speaker 3: great dad.

734
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 4: And I think you have incredible work ethic, and.

735
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 3: You like maybe that's where you get your work ethic.

736
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:29,839
Speaker 4: I know it is.

737
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:32,399
Speaker 1: That was one of the things I said about him

738
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 1: that I really admire. I missed that, but he got that.

739
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,399
Speaker 5: Wait a minute, let's back up a little bit. First

740
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,320
Speaker 5: of all, Max at Ten said I want to be

741
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 5: a director. He kept his word. In January I don't

742
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 5: want he hired me.

743
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 1: He doesn't want does he specifically said he doesn't want

744
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 1: to talk about it?

745
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 5: Okay, fine, that's number one.

746
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 4: Tell the media.

747
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 5: Okay, I'm going to I will tell anybody that listens.

748
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:06,800
Speaker 5: But you miss you, miss you? Are you?

749
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 4: Let's not call it work ethics. I'm just kidding you.

750
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:16,359
Speaker 5: I'm over here. That's what I'm bringing up over here.

751
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 5: Missus is over here. I went to her class. Did

752
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 5: you go to off of me?

753
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 3: I need him off of me?

754
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, he's just being call it what it is.

755
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 4: Let's get off the script and talk.

756
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:38,720
Speaker 2: I'm not okay.

757
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 4: This is what we love though, this is why we too.

758
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:42,800
Speaker 5: So what you do is you don't take it personally.

759
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 5: You just let him. He's a tornado of nothing over there.

760
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 4: That's all the does that.

761
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 5: I'll tell you what it means. You have no idea

762
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 5: what you're saying. Can I finishe You're sitting on your couch,

763
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 5: you see a news program that is true, you decide

764
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 5: I have to do something about it. You created. This

765
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 5: is about humanity. You've raised four million dollars. No money

766
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 5: goes to anything but the children need. I would say

767
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 5: that's a work ethic.

768
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 3: No, absolutely.

769
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 5: I I don't say you didn't get it.

770
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:20,320
Speaker 3: I know that I did, and I have a great

771
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 3: work ethic.

772
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 4: Here's what I'll say, you do have work ethic.

773
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 3: Okay.

774
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 1: I feel like we both got a lot of amazing

775
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,360
Speaker 1: qualities from our parents, and we've.

776
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 4: Also gotten some from mom.

777
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 2: Mom, you're generous too.

778
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 1: She's very thoughtful about so are you. But she's very

779
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 1: thoughtful about like if someone says something that they like,

780
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 1: or if some.

781
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 2: She's she's she listens to.

782
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 3: She can listen to.

783
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 1: Like many things at once, and so she always and

784
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 1: she can remember.

785
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 2: She'll remember like great host, great, great host, great.

786
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 3: And she'll remember details about people.

787
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 5: And then But I'm interested, what is the difference in

788
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 5: in generosity between you.

789
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 4: And It hurts it hurts you more to spend money.

790
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 4: Say it again, it hurts you more to spend money.

791
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 5: It hurts it hurts me to waste the amount of money.

792
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 4: It's wastefully generous, but it means a lot to people.

793
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,879
Speaker 4: You are, We're the hardest worker you try.

794
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 2: I think you're extremely generous.

795
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 4: You are generous, You're incredible.

796
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 1: Extremely and it's just like in every way, like even

797
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 1: the way that you bill hater talks about it all

798
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 1: the time and went that the bunt cake and that

799
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:35,879
Speaker 1: you always like you're always treating the crew to every

800
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 1: I mean, you're.

801
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 4: Just a generous in a more hurt She's incredible. You're thoughtful,

802
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 4: but she's thoughtful in a way that she remembers something

803
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 4: and then follows up on it. You're thoughtful in the moment.

804
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 3: You guys are both very thoughtful people.

805
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 5: It's not a competition, no, I know, I just I

806
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 5: was merely interested in the difference.

807
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 4: Like you're great. You did great, Like you've got a

808
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 4: wonderful legacy.

809
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:07,359
Speaker 5: Thank you, you made me feel great.

810
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 4: Celebrate you. Thank you like you did it, like you.

811
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 5: Know what, one of the great walks that I remember

812
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 5: in my whole life. Your first movie came out. It

813
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 5: was small, the company did not have a lot of

814
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 5: money to support it.

815
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 3: What was that movie called?

816
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 5: I don't know. It was Ceremony?

817
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 2: Who was it? I'm just kidding, I know what it is.

818
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 5: I'm just being abded, Okay.

819
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 4: But anyway, Yes, I said I wanted to retire.

820
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 5: You said I made every decision. Dad, How does this happen?

821
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 5: I picked every song with care. I'm never going to

822
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,399
Speaker 5: do this again, and I said, you will, this too

823
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 5: will pass. But you were so open it I'll never

824
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 5: forget it as long as I live. That that moment

825
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 5: in time and then.

826
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:57,879
Speaker 3: He was close shut for the rest of his life.

827
00:39:57,920 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 3: After that.

828
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 4: Well, it was a horrible loss for me. But it

829
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 4: wasn't good enough.

830
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 5: Do you know what? Can I just say one thing

831
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 5: before we stop?

832
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 3: Would you say, I'm not like a very I'm not saying.

833
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:14,840
Speaker 5: He's not annoying at all. He is not an annoying person.

834
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 1: It's not like a very demonstrative person except for my kids.

835
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 3: I'm not right.

836
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 4: You're absolutely not. And here's why. Get over here. Get

837
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 4: over here, my sister, You're absolutely not.

838
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:30,959
Speaker 3: I don't are you joking? Do you need some water?

839
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 5: I'm better now. In between coughs, I've got to say

840
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 5: a sentence. I cannot believe that this actually happened, That

841
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 5: we are no matter how it turns out, that we

842
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 5: are together.

843
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us for another episode

844
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 1: of What.

845
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 3: In the Winkler.

846
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 1: Please tell a friend You can follow us at What

847
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 1: in the Winkler Pod.

848
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 3: On Instagram, TikTok and leave us.

849
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Speaker 4: Are you doing