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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan. This is episode number thirty one

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Speaker 1: to the show. We're talking about how our two thousand

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Speaker 1: fourteen rut hunts have been going so far, and then

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Speaker 1: we'll answer your questions on how we hunt this time

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Speaker 1: of year. Enjoy. All right, welcome to the Wired to

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Speaker 1: Hunt podcast Tanna show. We're talking about the rut and

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Speaker 1: joining me is my trusty co host, Dan Johnson. How's

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Speaker 1: it going, buddy, It's going pretty good. Let's see, I'm

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Speaker 1: not at work for two straight weeks, so I will

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Speaker 1: be in a tree stand instead. So that's really awesome.

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Speaker 1: I guess you could say, yeah, that's kind of the

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Speaker 1: best of all possible worlds. I mean, every time we

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Speaker 1: talk on this show, you always say you're doing pretty

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Speaker 1: good because you're not in work. But now you're not

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Speaker 1: at work and you're hunting, so less good. I guess

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Speaker 1: if there is any downside, it's I'm away from the family,

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Speaker 1: and you know, I'm away from my daughter, and uh,

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Speaker 1: it's kind of it's kind of I don't want to

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Speaker 1: say sadder to bring the mood down, but she was

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Speaker 1: walking around the house the other day looking for me

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Speaker 1: and going daddy, daddy, daddy, and uh, it's that kind

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Speaker 1: of sucks. But seeing awesome beer movement is good. So

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Speaker 1: not not comparing my daughter to awesome beer movement, but

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Speaker 1: I think you know what I'm going trying to go

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Speaker 1: for here. I do. I do. Just as long as

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Speaker 1: your wife doesn't listen to show we're all good. Oh

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Speaker 1: she doesn't. Well, you know this is actually a first

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Speaker 1: first stand for the first time. We were both recording

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Speaker 1: this podcast remotely. So I am in a random hotel

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Speaker 1: room in southern Ohio and you are at your dear

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Speaker 1: camping yep at my parents house, and uh, I'm sleeping

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Speaker 1: on a blow up bed and I guess you could

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Speaker 1: call a man cave. Um, we're all of my where

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Speaker 1: my stepdad hands on in his mouths and uh like

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Speaker 1: stuffed ducks and stuff fish and you have bobcat her

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Speaker 1: on the wall, and so yeah, that's pretty cool. I

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Speaker 1: remember going down when I was down there the spring

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Speaker 1: checking out that room. It's a pretty good spot to crash,

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Speaker 1: i'd say, right right. I even gave you the bed

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Speaker 1: mark because you're such an honored guest, and I took this.

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Speaker 1: I do remember that. I appreciate Dan, it was I

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Speaker 1: know that was a sacrifice, so I appreciate it. For

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Speaker 1: a couple of days now, I feel really bad about

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Speaker 1: that whole trip, so I don't worry about it all right.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Thanks for letting me off the hook there.

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Speaker 1: So you're down there in Iowa, I'm down here in

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Speaker 1: Ohio and we're on this on these little trips because

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Speaker 1: it is the rut. So I guess, you know, without

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Speaker 1: beating around the bush anymore, I think we need to

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Speaker 1: talk about how our hunting has been when we're recording this.

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Speaker 1: Today is November four, and this show is gonna go

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Speaker 1: live on November six. Um. So, Dan, I know you've

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Speaker 1: been hunting for a while now. I've been hunting since

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Speaker 1: the October pretty much every day. UM. But I guess

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Speaker 1: hunting been? What have you been seeing? How's the rut

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Speaker 1: progressing in your neck of the wood? It? Well, I say,

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Speaker 1: every day is getting better up here. Um, as far

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Speaker 1: coming through. So we've seen tons of yearlings, two year olds. UM.

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Speaker 1: Last night they had a great encounter with with a

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Speaker 1: this trip for your buddy Ryan. Um, So has he

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Speaker 1: that was that. And on top of all those things. Um,

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Speaker 1: But right next door to us is like a five

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Speaker 1: Um because just given what I know about the property

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Speaker 1: seeing movement at two, about two o'clock, and when we

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00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:22,480
Speaker 1: started seeing a steady movement. I think tonight we saw

429
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 1: five or six different bucks, and three does so three

430
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:35,159
Speaker 1: or four does. But if you're not seeing activity like

431
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 1: for me, unless you know that there's gonna be a

432
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:44,359
Speaker 1: deer coming through at some point, if you have facts,

433
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:48,119
Speaker 1: you have trail camer information, that's the only way I

434
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 1: would wait it out all day. But now it's still

435
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 1: early enough to where they're probably still in some some

436
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 1: food to bed pattern, and these bucks are starting to

437
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:03,920
Speaker 1: fall in line between um following these doves from their

438
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:08,400
Speaker 1: bed to the food and back to bed. That they're still,

439
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 1: in my opinion, two good parts of the day to

440
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 1: be in a stand in the morning and in the afternoon. Now,

441
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,920
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, they're still going to be those cruisers,

442
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:24,679
Speaker 1: but I think the mature bucks right now are still

443
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 1: in some kind of patterned with those doves. Okay, you know,

444
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 1: I have a couple of thoughts on what you said there.

445
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 1: First off, I can't believe you're getting out of the

446
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:49,159
Speaker 1: woods at nine am this morning morning, I hunted a

447
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 1: travel corridor that was I was literally, oh man, I

448
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 1: was probably inside a hundred yards off of the road.

449
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 1: So I was waiting for these deer to work their

450
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:06,400
Speaker 1: way through. They worked their way through, and then that's

451
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 1: it when you get out. So it was a time

452
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 1: that one of those things where you're not going to

453
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 1: see you're not going to see any movement mid day.

454
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 1: I could see when the lady turned the light on

455
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 1: in the kitchen this morning, that's how close to the

456
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 1: nice So so I guess to the midday sets. Here's

457
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 1: my perspective on this, and I agree with you that

458
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 1: no matter when the middle of the day or during

459
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 1: the run is a lower percentage sit than your evening

460
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:42,439
Speaker 1: in your morning, sits right, dear or carepascular meaning they

461
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 1: moved the most um you know, early in the morning

462
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 1: and late in the evening at the edges of darkness,

463
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,400
Speaker 1: and that's always gonna be the case. But during the rut,

464
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 1: you know, as we all know and we always hear about,

465
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:57,360
Speaker 1: there is increased movement on occasion by mature deer during

466
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,879
Speaker 1: the middle of the day. And so my one disagreement

467
00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 1: with you, Dan is that you said that you would

468
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 1: never stay out there unless you knew for a fact

469
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 1: that there was a big buck moving in the middle

470
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 1: of the day because of a trail camera picture or

471
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:12,440
Speaker 1: something like that. And my um argument would be that

472
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 1: these midday movements are there, they are relatively rare and

473
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 1: you never know what it's gonna happen. And that's why

474
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 1: for me, I feel like if I'm not out there,

475
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 1: that maybe maybe that big buck is only going to

476
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 1: come through one time over the course of twelve days

477
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 1: in November. If I'm not there that one time, I

478
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 1: missed that one opportunity maybe I had for the entire year.

479
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: And I realized that that's a relatively low, um you know,

480
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 1: low percentage sit compared to the morning or evening. But

481
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 1: for me, at least during this two week period of

482
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 1: you know, the first of November through the four or

483
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 1: fifteenth of November, I take the brute force approach. I

484
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 1: put everything in and I'm saying this is the absolute

485
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 1: best chance of a mature deer. And I it might

486
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 1: be just a personality thing, but for me, I can't

487
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 1: I feel guilty if I'm not in the woods the

488
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 1: entire day, taking every single possible opportunity I have, I

489
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 1: feel like I'm not giving it my all, and i

490
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 1: feel like I'm I'm doing myself a disservice or I'm

491
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,239
Speaker 1: not I'm not working hard enough. And so I even

492
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 1: though it's a low percentage sit there's a possibility of it,

493
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 1: and there's a higher possibility this time of the year

494
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 1: than any other time of year, and so I'm willing

495
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 1: to push it during that time when it's you know,

496
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 1: it's not fun, it's not um, it's not the best

497
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 1: of hunting action. You know, ninety percent of the time,

498
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 1: it's dull and you don't see anything, and it's a waste,

499
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 1: not not waste, but you're not actually you know, seeing

500
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 1: a big deer. But I've had enough times between the

501
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 1: first of November November and even the twenty three twenty

502
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 1: four in November where I have had mature deer comes

503
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 1: through between eleven and one that I never would have

504
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 1: seen otherwise. Um, But it's I mean, i I'm kind

505
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 1: of arguing something that I argue myself to all the time.

506
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 1: I Mean, it's just tough. It's tough. To justify because

507
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 1: it's it's hard to do and people, you know, I

508
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 1: wouldn't enjoy it. But for me, I I've kind of

509
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 1: defined my own run hunting strategies brute force, Like I

510
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 1: just I'm gonna kill a deer just because I'm just

511
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 1: stupidly persistent enough to get it done. I think it's

512
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 1: kind of what I try to do, and so by

513
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 1: putting those long hours that helps me get a little

514
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 1: bit of an edge on that on that front. But

515
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 1: that's just me mass coverage, you know that. You know, statistically,

516
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 1: the more time to spend in the woods, the more

517
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 1: change you're gonna have a deer. For me, you know,

518
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 1: it all comes back to what do you have in

519
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 1: the area, what you're what you know about your property.

520
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 1: And for me, I know that I'm gonna move from

521
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:53,239
Speaker 1: basically and and hunting these properties for a long you know,

522
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 1: seven eight, nine years. I know when the movement is

523
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 1: going to happen. You know, there are and spots that

524
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 1: are historically better in the mornings, and there are spots

525
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 1: there are historically better in in the evenings. So I

526
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 1: don't know if it's one of those things that every

527
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 1: person is different, every every property to the different everybody

528
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 1: has there a different scenario that they're dealing with. Yeah,

529
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 1: I think an important point to make two is, um

530
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 1: that when I say I'm hunting all day, that doesn't

531
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 1: necessarily mean that you have to stay in the same

532
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 1: stand the entire time, because to your point, lots of

533
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 1: times there's going to be some stands that are great

534
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 1: for the morning, some that are better for the evening,

535
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 1: and then just even sometimes stands that are great during

536
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 1: the middle of the day but maybe aren't perfect for

537
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 1: either either other side of the things. So to Todd's

538
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 1: question here, um, I would say I absolutely do make

539
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 1: midday stand adjustments. Um. You know, just for instance, on

540
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 1: Saturday this past Saturday, I hunted real close to a

541
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 1: betting year, downwind of a betting year in the morning

542
00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 1: till about um until about one o'clock I think it was,

543
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: and then at one o'clock I moved and got down

544
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 1: wind of a food source where hopefully I could catch

545
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 1: a buck cruising down wind to send check in dose

546
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 1: that might go feeding up there. So if you are

547
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 1: going to stay out all day or either way, I

548
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: mean the same things that applied during the early season

549
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 1: or the middle of the season applied during the rut.

550
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 1: That being, you know, you're gonna have some different types

551
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 1: of activity in different areas at different times of the day,

552
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 1: so it's important to adjust for them. That's back. Yeah,

553
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 1: So I guess it's a roundabout way of answering Todd's question,

554
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: and we both kind of went on off our tangents there.

555
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 1: But well, no, and I think I think we and

556
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 1: you are even an agreement. We're making adjustice, whether it's

557
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 1: a completely different stand or moving to a different area

558
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 1: within that larger area. Yes, we're making adjustments, and we're

559
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, you are. You are are sitting small basics.

560
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 1: But it's not like what I doing is that much

561
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 1: different different from you. I'm just leaving the woods for

562
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 1: an hour or two coming back, So I don't know.

563
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 1: I just the way I hunt is. I'm going to

564
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 1: stand location where I feel I have the highest percentage

565
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 1: of intercepting a mature buck. I think that's I think

566
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 1: that's a sound, sound strategy. Yeah, buddy, all right, you

567
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 1: want to take a take a swing at one of

568
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 1: these two, Dan, which one's next. Let's see, you've got

569
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 1: Alex uh slaughterer do different but personalities affect how you

570
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 1: hunt them during the ruck. Well, UM, for me, it's

571
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 1: kind of hard to tell because every yes, I I

572
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 1: do feel that different bucks have different personalities. UM. For example, UM,

573
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 1: me and Ryan were talking about this, you have a

574
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 1: luck actually it's the name of this buck and Mark

575
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 1: Kenyon because he's been showing up on a couple of

576
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 1: drill tun which pretty regularly, still at night. But it's

577
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:13,760
Speaker 1: over top of the scrape and he's bust still up already,

578
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,799
Speaker 1: So that tells me he's probably fighting, which means to

579
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 1: me that he'll put there's a chance that he might

580
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 1: come into calling like a rattling sequence or an addressive

581
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 1: drunk call. So there's there's that possibility. Now there's other

582
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 1: deer who I have never had daylight pictures of them,

583
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 1: never seen him in daylight, but their giants and they're somewhere.

584
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:44,320
Speaker 1: They're kind of just hard to hard to pattern. Um

585
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 1: and a hut for myself, I've learned the hard way

586
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:54,280
Speaker 1: on a lot of these things. But overcalling can damnage

587
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 1: just hit. Um. Maybe not calling, not being aggressive at

588
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 1: the right times, can can let an opportunity pass. I

589
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 1: know that it's hard to read their body and know

590
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 1: what they're thinking if they're there, if they're slashing a

591
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 1: bush or a tree, that might be an opportunity to

592
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,919
Speaker 1: try calling. If they're real skittish and they come into

593
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:21,880
Speaker 1: an area head up years or they're already alert, that

594
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 1: might be a bad time to call. I don't know

595
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 1: what are your experiences, Mark, Yeah, I think I think

596
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,359
Speaker 1: I'm right there with you, Dan Um. Like you said,

597
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 1: bucks definitely have different personalities, and the challenge is just

598
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,359
Speaker 1: you know, to what degree can you understand that personality

599
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 1: and then adjust for it. So I think you know,

600
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 1: for anyone listening, if you've got a buck that you've

601
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 1: got lots of trail camera pictures of and you've had

602
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 1: numerous encounters, we've been able to see how he interacts

603
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: and what his behavioral patterns are, you know, keep that

604
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,959
Speaker 1: in your kind of in your hard drive, and then

605
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 1: you apply that when you're hunting the rut. So exactly

606
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 1: like you said, if there's a buck that you know

607
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,359
Speaker 1: you thinks all busted up because he's been fighting, that's

608
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 1: definitely some when you might want to be more aggressive

609
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 1: with um. So I think that's a great great point

610
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:07,840
Speaker 1: to make. I also think, and this isn't necessarily related

611
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 1: to a personality of a specific buck. But I think

612
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 1: also I'm kind of adding on to the question here,

613
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 1: but I think also, UM, the areas where you hunt,

614
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:23,320
Speaker 1: how in general deer bucks will behave, will be different,

615
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 1: and that should affect how you hunt during the run.

616
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 1: So what I'm saying here is, let's say, UM, taking

617
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:33,800
Speaker 1: for example, my situation versus yours in Michigan, much lower

618
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 1: number of mature deer um significantly higher number of hunters

619
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 1: per square mile. So you've got a lot of younger

620
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 1: deer and you've got whatever deer are older, they have

621
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 1: encountered many, many many hunters. So in an area like that,

622
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 1: these deer are very UM gun shy. They're very you know,

623
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 1: any hunter shy. So aggressive calling, aggressive, rattling, decoying, anything

624
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: like that is absolutely, you know, in my experience, UM,

625
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: very high risk and doesn't pay off nearly as much

626
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 1: as a might in area UM in another state like

627
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 1: Ohio or Iowa, where maybe the hunting pressure is a

628
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 1: little lower and where there's a higher UM number of

629
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 1: older age class bucks, where those deer are used to

630
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 1: fighting other bucks, they're used to maybe not having quite

631
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,840
Speaker 1: as many interactions with hunters. Um, So, I think in

632
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 1: addition to individual buck personality, you also need to consider

633
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: the overall population of bucks, and you know how they

634
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 1: might interact with the world and how that might change

635
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 1: how you hunt. So definitely I'm hunting differently during the

636
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 1: rut here in Ohio versus where I am back home

637
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 1: in Michigan, and then both of those places. Then if

638
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 1: I know something about a certain buck, that will also

639
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:49,919
Speaker 1: then impact how I hunt if I see that deer

640
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 1: right right? So yeah, yeah, So here's a question from

641
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 1: Dustin Hodgkin, and he wanted us to compare air and

642
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: discuss um your rout hunting facial hair versus my rout

643
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 1: hunting facial hair. Dan, Hey, didn't you could dust and kill?

644
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 1: Did you already? Yeah? I think that's all. That's a

645
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 1: pretty good one. Yeah, he got a real nice uh.

646
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 1: I think it's an eight pointer here in Michigan. On

647
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 1: it was either Halloween or the day before Halloween. He Uh.

648
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 1: We'll have the video of it up on Wired Hunting

649
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 1: here pretty soon. It's pretty cool how it all happened.

650
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 1: I won't give away any details, but yeah, he got

651
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 1: a nice Michigan buck. Awesome. Congratulations If you're listening. Yeah, yeah,

652
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 1: absolutely so in all in all seriousness, though you've got

653
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 1: a heck of a lot better rout beer than I do.

654
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 1: I don't have a beer anymore, Mark. I come the

655
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,879
Speaker 1: first day of my vacation, the night before the first

656
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 1: day of my vacation, which is typically Halloween. I there's

657
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 1: an event that I I called dropping the hammer, and

658
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 1: that is what when I shaved my my mustache. So

659
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 1: I hope I don't sound cocky of vein, but my

660
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:17,959
Speaker 1: facial hair crushes your facial hair. There was a fight

661
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 1: between our facial hair. My facial hair would win, and

662
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 1: it would either be like by just a gruesome knockout

663
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 1: or some weird sick submission where I would like break

664
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 1: your facial hairs, arms and legs. I I'm I have speechless.

665
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 1: I cannot argue that in any way, shape or form.

666
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 1: I have the facial hair of a twelve year old.

667
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 1: So you win, hands down. You take the cake. Next question,

668
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:53,919
Speaker 1: next question? Click? Oh man, um, you you go ahead

669
00:39:53,960 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 1: and picked in All right, let's see here. Um, you're recovered, Colleen.

670
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 1: Question Um, here's a question from Matt Conway. If you

671
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 1: had to pick a particular time of the day to

672
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:16,360
Speaker 1: hunt the rut. What would it be, I'll go first, Yeah, yeah, perfect.

673
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, if I had to pick my

674
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:24,359
Speaker 1: favorite time, it's going to be mornings. Um. I think

675
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 1: that even on those days where the temperatures do get higher, um,

676
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 1: that are usually you know, not your great days, the

677
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 1: mornings still are the coolest part of the day, can

678
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 1: still have that action that you're looking for. And it

679
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 1: just seems that, um, the deer move a little bit

680
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 1: later in the mornings, UM, during the rut than any

681
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 1: other time of year, So you're gonna get a longer

682
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 1: period of movement those first few hours of daylight versus

683
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 1: maybe in the evening where it's maybe the last hour.

684
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 1: So I love a good cold rut morning when you're

685
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 1: catching those bucks coming back to the betting areas checking

686
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 1: for does. Um. I don't think you can beat that

687
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 1: in my opinion. What do you think I'm gonna have

688
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 1: to agree with you? UM. I used to be a

689
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:08,320
Speaker 1: big fan of evening hunts, and then as I became

690
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:14,359
Speaker 1: a serious, more serious hunter, I realized that mornings are

691
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 1: the place to be. You can get away with more

692
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 1: going in um, the deer already on their feet and

693
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 1: for the most part, they're not going to be in

694
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:27,359
Speaker 1: the area that you're at, that you're going to. They're

695
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: going to be coming to you or traveling through your area.

696
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:35,760
Speaker 1: So again with the rut, it's there's so many things

697
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 1: that can go wrong. They could already be there, but

698
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 1: there's there's room. There's room for air. And what I

699
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:45,799
Speaker 1: mean by that is you can get busted in the

700
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 1: morning and still have a chance of seeing something. In

701
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 1: my opinion, whether you get busted from your scent or

702
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 1: from UM movement or whatever the reason may be, I

703
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 1: think there's there's a little bit of forgiveness with a

704
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 1: morning hunt. Yeah, And it's just man, it's hard to

705
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 1: beat those really cold, frosty mornings when just as daylight

706
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 1: starts to you know, come across the timber, you start

707
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 1: hearing those footsteps coming your way, and you just know

708
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 1: this could be it. I mean, that's a pretty special time. Yeah, yea.

709
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 1: So how about this one? UM I got a question

710
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:32,359
Speaker 1: from Jeff Kurth and he asked us to detail our

711
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 1: top five favorite setups are locations, and we don't maybe

712
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 1: we don't necessarily have five different setups, but can you

713
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 1: go through for me? Dan what your favorite stand locations

714
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:45,879
Speaker 1: look like during the rut, and then I'll share mine.

715
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 1: I think we probably have a lot in common here,

716
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 1: but let's let's walk through those in some detail. Well,

717
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 1: in my opinion, I was looking at this question earlier,

718
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 1: and I only think there's three that the hunter should

719
00:42:59,920 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 1: be worried about. Betting areas, travel corridors, and what I

720
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:10,799
Speaker 1: mean by travel corridors, I mean maybe even too, because

721
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 1: you could you could put travel corridors and um in

722
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,799
Speaker 1: a pitch point kind of in the same category. And

723
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:21,839
Speaker 1: if you're a field edge hunter, you can hunt a

724
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:26,320
Speaker 1: destination which would be a field edge, or maybe in

725
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 1: the Southern States, maybe a watering pole or something like that.

726
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 1: But betting areas and travel corridors, for the most part

727
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 1: are what I'm hunting this this weekend next week. So

728
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 1: tell me more details, tell me more about how are

729
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 1: you setting up on these different spots. What what do

730
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 1: you mean when you say a travel corridor, Yeah, travel

731
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 1: cordsor a pitch point UM a place where you're going

732
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 1: to find cruising beer, a place where terrain narrows down

733
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 1: enough too, um condense the movement, so you're gonna be

734
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 1: seeing more. Dear, Lets see, it was two nights ago

735
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 1: we dropped off a ridge where and I wrote an

736
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 1: article about it on the Nine Finger Chronicles called pinch

737
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 1: point Um where a field with a sense butts up

738
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 1: against a rig that drops down into a bend of

739
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 1: the river and it just narrows it down to about

740
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:31,280
Speaker 1: a hundred yards. All everything goes through here at some point.

741
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 1: And when this really start cruising, when we really start

742
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 1: looking for those mi trail cameras in this area, just

743
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 1: start heating up and we have a we have a

744
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 1: stand down in one of those locations, and that is

745
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:52,240
Speaker 1: that's a typical rut stands you're gonna if you're gonna

746
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 1: be sitting all day long, that's where you want to

747
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: sit all day long, because it's just it condenses everything

748
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 1: down and it's just two giant pieces of property. It

749
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 1: brings it all together. And that's one little piece. And

750
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 1: I guess that the next one would be a betting area.

751
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 1: And I love hunting betting areas in the mornings because

752
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 1: a doll is already at bed in the evenings, she's

753
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 1: gonna be um, she's gonna be the deer already going

754
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 1: to do there. So you have a chance of Stookium.

755
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 1: I love getting there in the morning on the down

756
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 1: one side and catching the bucks cruised through, or the

757
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 1: does come through, the bucks will follow. They're set checking

758
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 1: these betting areas and they're looking for the hot dos.

759
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:44,399
Speaker 1: And tonight was a perfect example of where where we're at.

760
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 1: We're on the back side of of a betting area

761
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: and we watched one, two, three, four I think four deer,

762
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 1: a yearling to two year olds and the two year

763
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 1: old come to this area and they're all doing the

764
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 1: same things. All had their notes to the grounds, checking

765
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 1: the scent in the air, and without having to go in,

766
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 1: they just are able to cover a lot of property. Uh,

767
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:16,720
Speaker 1: and you know finding a hot dough. Yeah, yeah, I think, Um,

768
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,919
Speaker 1: I think something you said there is I think such

769
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 1: an important concept for hunting the rut. And you know,

770
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 1: it's something we all love to talk about hunting the rut.

771
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 1: And we've all, you know, seen a million articles and

772
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:32,359
Speaker 1: I've written a million articles, and um, we've talked about

773
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:34,839
Speaker 1: the rut for you know, several different podcasts here which

774
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 1: there's a lot of things to talk about, but it

775
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:41,319
Speaker 1: really does come down to a few basic things. And

776
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:43,359
Speaker 1: you said those things, right, there. You know, it comes

777
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 1: down to dough betting areas. It comes down to dough

778
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 1: feeding areas, and then the travel corridors in or around

779
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 1: any one of those two things. And so when it

780
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 1: comes to my setups, I just whenever I think about

781
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 1: setting somewhere up, it needs to be in relation to

782
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 1: one of those three factors. So I need to be

783
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 1: downwind of a betting area, I need to be downwind

784
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 1: of a food source, or I need to be in

785
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 1: a pinch point or travel quarridor that connects one or

786
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 1: the other, or you know, betting area to betting area,

787
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 1: And where I hunt one of those three will be

788
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 1: determined based on activity I've seen, based on time of day, um,

789
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 1: any other factors like that. UM. You know, for me,

790
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 1: I really don't pay much attention at all to rub

791
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:32,319
Speaker 1: lines or scrapes or um stuff like that during the

792
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 1: rut um. You know, We've talked about this a little

793
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:36,400
Speaker 1: bit in the past, but a lot of that sign

794
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:38,720
Speaker 1: is created at night. Of course, some of it happens

795
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 1: during daylight. And there's certain situations and certain circumstances where

796
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 1: people you know have had they definitely do have success

797
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 1: using some of that in their strategy. But for me,

798
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 1: I try to keep it simple. I try to find,

799
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 1: you know, the best possible spots that I could set

800
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 1: up to have the wind in my favor in an

801
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:58,319
Speaker 1: area where the deer thinks they're using the wind in

802
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 1: their favor to check an area for does and um

803
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 1: or to travel between those spots, and so I keep it.

804
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 1: I keep it pretty simple, and I'll rotate through different

805
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 1: areas like that as the wind goes and and really

806
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 1: that's what my rut hunting setups look like. They come

807
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:15,319
Speaker 1: in different forms and fashions, but they're all related to

808
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 1: one of those three things. UM. You know. One of

809
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,839
Speaker 1: the set up that I know a lot of guys

810
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 1: have success within certain areas are little water holes or

811
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 1: small ponds back and secluded cover closer to bedding and

812
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:31,240
Speaker 1: stuff during the rut, if I've heard, I haven't personally

813
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 1: had any areas that have a situation like this, um,

814
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 1: but I've heard lots of times people will um see

815
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,320
Speaker 1: bucks that have been cruising throughout the day, um, you know,

816
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:43,240
Speaker 1: midday or late morning, they'll stop by these water holes

817
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 1: that are back in the cover in your bedding areas

818
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:46,840
Speaker 1: because they've you know, they've been cruising all day or

819
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 1: chose to chasing does they're checking, you know, just need

820
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:52,319
Speaker 1: a little extra water. So sometimes those can be you

821
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 1: know a little bit of uh something to center in

822
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 1: on when you say, okay, I want to be down

823
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 1: into this betting area for the morning. Oh by the way,

824
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 1: there's also this little water hole right here. That's a

825
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 1: doubly good spot then to be because that's the best

826
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 1: spot in the down one section. So I think you

827
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 1: utilize some of these like secondary factors to improve upon, um,

828
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 1: you know, the first factor being that betting, your food source, etcetera.

829
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 1: But across the board when it comes to set ups,

830
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about those three basic categories and then narrowing

831
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 1: it down from there. Yep, yes, I think we covered

832
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:33,279
Speaker 1: just about all of them. Yeah there's again I just

833
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:36,880
Speaker 1: think it we sometimes you know, work our way into circles.

834
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:40,360
Speaker 1: When we start talking about hunting the rut. It's it's

835
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 1: pretty basically simple, get getting those basic spots put in

836
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 1: the time, and um that's that's what really comes down to.

837
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 1: So that said, though, there are you know, some different

838
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 1: tricks of the trade and things that you can do

839
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:57,320
Speaker 1: to improve upon your odds of success in a situation

840
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 1: like that, And there's a question here from Taylor Taylor

841
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:04,439
Speaker 1: Oxen Doll, I believe it is how say that name?

842
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 1: And the question is are there any disadvantages to using

843
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 1: a decoy during the rut? And we talked a little

844
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 1: bit about decoying last week. Dan, I know you don't

845
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:16,919
Speaker 1: do a whole lot of it, so I'll share my

846
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 1: perspective on this because I've done a decent little bit

847
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 1: now recently, and I've read a lot about it and

848
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 1: talked to a lot of people about it, um, and

849
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 1: so yes, I would say there definitely are some disadvantages

850
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:30,360
Speaker 1: to using a decoy, and the big disadvantages that it

851
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 1: can spook dear especially does Um. From my experience and

852
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 1: from what I've heard from a number of other people,

853
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 1: that's the most common thing that's going to happen is

854
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 1: does will come into the field, you know before any

855
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:44,880
Speaker 1: bucks do, and they see the decoy, they get closer

856
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 1: to it, they start circling around and they're stomping around

857
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 1: trying to get it to move. It doesn't move. They

858
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 1: eventually get spooky and they clear the field, or they

859
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:56,240
Speaker 1: start snorting, or they get uncomfortable. And if that happens

860
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 1: that could hurt your chances of a buck ever making

861
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 1: an appearance and coming out there and actually seeing the

862
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 1: decoy and getting interested in it. So I think there's

863
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:09,360
Speaker 1: that inherent risk at all times. So for me, UM,

864
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 1: I factored two things into my decision on whether or

865
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 1: not I'm going to use a decoy. Um. You know,

866
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 1: Number one, it's gonna be the right time of the year,

867
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 1: and that right time of the year is now, you know,

868
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 1: this kind of first couple of weeks in November, when

869
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 1: those bucks are feeling a little bit uh frisky and

870
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:25,759
Speaker 1: or not frisky but kind of feisty, I guess, and

871
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 1: wanting to uh to to duke it out. So this

872
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:34,359
Speaker 1: time of year I considered using decoy UM. But then

873
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 1: I'm also going to be thinking about what's the population

874
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 1: dynamics where I'm hunting. So, for example, in Michigan, on

875
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 1: one of my properties there, I've got a huge dough population,

876
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:48,279
Speaker 1: tons and tons of does too many doughs, not as

877
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 1: many bucks, And I know if I'm setting a decoy

878
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 1: out in the field, there's gonna be ten different doughs

879
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 1: that are gonna be coming out into that area, and

880
00:51:58,200 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 1: every darn one of them, I'm pretty sure it's going

881
00:51:59,960 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 1: to see that decoy and start making a commotion about it.

882
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:05,760
Speaker 1: So that's a situation where I would never use decoy

883
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:08,799
Speaker 1: because I know I'm gonna be spoken deer with it.

884
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 1: Now on the apples side, on my ohio lease really

885
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 1: low population, at least relatively low population of doughs. I

886
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 1: might hunt a full day and not see a single dough,

887
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 1: but I might see three or four bucks during the rut.

888
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:25,240
Speaker 1: So this is a perfect situation for a decoy because

889
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 1: there's a much lower chance of spooking does But if

890
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:32,360
Speaker 1: I do see a buck, there's a really high probability

891
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:34,759
Speaker 1: he's gonna come in and check out this contender. So

892
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 1: I'm definitely thinking those through through those two things when

893
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:42,319
Speaker 1: it comes to using a decoy. Um. Another question that

894
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 1: someone had asked was, you know, should they put both

895
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 1: antlers on the decoy or just one or none? And

896
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 1: I've read about this. I think I might mention on

897
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 1: one of the podcasts earlier in the year. Um, but

898
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:56,719
Speaker 1: I've read from a couple of different people and get

899
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 1: some tips from a couple of folks about using just

900
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:01,840
Speaker 1: one antler your decoy, and that that's kind of a

901
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:04,839
Speaker 1: sweet spot where it's you know, with that antler, it's

902
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:07,279
Speaker 1: enough to to get a buck riled up he sees

903
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:09,799
Speaker 1: another buck. Um. But at the same time, if that

904
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 1: deer is maybe not the most aggressive buck in the world,

905
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:15,439
Speaker 1: he still won't be intimidated by a one antler buck.

906
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:17,279
Speaker 1: So you've got a good chance to bring in just

907
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 1: about any deer. Versus, if you've got a huge double

908
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 1: you know, two big antlers, that might spook off a

909
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:27,839
Speaker 1: few bucks. So I go with the one antler route. Um,

910
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 1: But that's that's just me and from what I've heard,

911
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:32,800
Speaker 1: so something to think about their. Um. I'm definitely gonna

912
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:34,759
Speaker 1: be testing out the decoy here in the next week

913
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 1: in Ohio, and I've got high hopes for it, so UM,

914
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:40,920
Speaker 1: I guess hopeful I'll have more to report on that

915
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 1: in the coming days. Cool. I hope it works me too,

916
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:52,799
Speaker 1: So what's next in let's see here? Um, I just

917
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:56,839
Speaker 1: scanned all the way down to the to the bottom,

918
00:53:56,920 --> 00:54:00,759
Speaker 1: and it's It's kind of funny that question was asked

919
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 1: because all day in the stand, me and Ryan are

920
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 1: chick chatting about products and talking about what works what

921
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 1: doesn't work, and Christopher Randall asks, dump your backpack out

922
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:17,400
Speaker 1: and empty the pockets of your sick good year plug

923
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 1: for you, mark and tell us what you're essential equipment

924
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 1: list is down to the brand. Well, I'm just gonna

925
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 1: start start off real quick. We've been using a product

926
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:37,400
Speaker 1: called nose Jammer and it's like a vanilla extract or

927
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:39,239
Speaker 1: something like that. I don't know the science of it,

928
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 1: you'll have to look into it. But you spread on

929
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:45,839
Speaker 1: your your your boots and your clothing and stuff when

930
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:50,600
Speaker 1: you walk in, and it's supposed to overwhelmed their factory

931
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 1: senses or whatever. And we we're finding that it is working,

932
00:54:56,760 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 1: and it is working very well. I don't I don't know.

933
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 1: We haven't been busted coming in. You've had a deer

934
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:09,759
Speaker 1: come in from our access route. Um, they've crossed our

935
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 1: paths and not one has blown at us or busted

936
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:20,200
Speaker 1: or even picked their head to the Actually, the three

937
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:25,319
Speaker 1: year old buck that Ryan passed last night crossed our

938
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 1: path and didn flinch. Jeez, it's funny. That's one problem

939
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 1: off the top of my head. You're like the fourth

940
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:37,279
Speaker 1: person in the last month who's mentioned nose jamber to me,

941
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 1: and I kind of wrote it off originally, just as

942
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:41,920
Speaker 1: a gimmick, but I keep on hearing over and over

943
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 1: and over. So literally, on the way down here to Ohio,

944
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:46,840
Speaker 1: I was trying to find a sport and store to

945
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:48,759
Speaker 1: stop it and trying to buy some. I didn't. I

946
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:52,399
Speaker 1: didn't yet, but I'm yeah, between you and the couple

947
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:53,839
Speaker 1: of people have told me about in the last week

948
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:55,840
Speaker 1: or two, you've got me convinced I need to try it.

949
00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 1: So I will. I'll be testing out the nose Jamber two.

950
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:03,799
Speaker 1: All right, right, all right, so now it's your turn. Um,

951
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 1: it's uh, what's act that you're loving product that I'm

952
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:12,879
Speaker 1: loving right now? Jeez um wow about that? That's what's

953
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:16,719
Speaker 1: kind of a product that needs you, that you that

954
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:21,839
Speaker 1: you rely on. I feel like I I mean, I don't.

955
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not gonna beat on the dead horse

956
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 1: because I talked about we talked about ozonics. Seems like

957
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:28,319
Speaker 1: every episode it's that's something I rely on a lot.

958
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 1: But I won't talk about it anymore. Um, I don't know,

959
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:35,720
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't really use a whole lot of products. Yeah,

960
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I've got a few things in the tree

961
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:41,400
Speaker 1: with me. I'll just I'll right, I've got an Ozonis machine,

962
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 1: I've got my camouflage, I've got my bow. I'm sitting

963
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:48,320
Speaker 1: at a tree stand and I carry one grunt tube,

964
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:52,560
Speaker 1: some Rattley antlers and it's a wind checker, and that's

965
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:57,359
Speaker 1: basically it. Um. You know, right, we use sen eliminating

966
00:56:57,719 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 1: sprays and different things like that, but there's not anyone.

967
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:03,280
Speaker 1: I have certain brands I like and use and stuff,

968
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 1: but there's not any special secret product or anything I

969
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 1: think I'm using that's helping me, you know, night and

970
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 1: day changing how I'm hunting. Um. Yeah, I think there's

971
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 1: a lot of good products out there, and there's certain

972
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 1: brands and products I trust and that I use, and

973
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 1: you know, I'm very happy with UM. But I do

974
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:23,440
Speaker 1: think sometimes people get too caught up on gear and

975
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:27,280
Speaker 1: thinking that makes or breaks how they hunt. And I think, um,

976
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not trying to sell short any of

977
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 1: these really great companies out there. There's lots of really

978
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 1: good gear out there. UM. But I just think at

979
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 1: the same time, you know, there's guys who are killing

980
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 1: really big dear using some stuff from the eighties. So

981
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 1: when it comes down to it, I don't think we

982
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 1: sometimes we uh, we use gear as a crutch when

983
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 1: lots of times we don't need to, so I don't know,

984
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 1: I I agree, I don't think gear has anything to

985
00:57:56,120 --> 00:58:00,160
Speaker 1: do with it. You know. And any bow with any

986
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:02,959
Speaker 1: broadhead placed in the right spot will kill a deer.

987
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 1: You know, any camo in you know, any cambo in

988
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 1: the tree, if you're not moving, you can you have

989
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 1: the opportunity to kill a deer. There are things like

990
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 1: you know, we talked about his on its all the time,

991
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. We feel that's something innovative that we

992
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:23,480
Speaker 1: talk about. But back to all the basics. There are

993
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 1: people killing giant deer every year who are in jeans

994
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 1: and hooded sweatshers. So you know, it is what it

995
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:36,760
Speaker 1: is kind of thing. There's definitely things that help you know, um,

996
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:39,160
Speaker 1: certain bows might shoot better than other bows, or there

997
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:41,320
Speaker 1: will be a certain set of camouflage that you feel

998
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:43,240
Speaker 1: works best for you, or I feel works best for me,

999
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:45,560
Speaker 1: And there certainly is I've got my preferences, and I

1000
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:47,400
Speaker 1: think that there's certain things that give me an advantage.

1001
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 1: But you know, to ease their own you know, you

1002
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 1: know the example of like the the bow shooting a bows.

1003
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot of really great bow companies

1004
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:58,440
Speaker 1: out there. I shoot a bare bow. I absolutely love it.

1005
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:02,680
Speaker 1: And you know that's where I feel really confident shooting. Um,

1006
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 1: but I know you shoot, you know, I think you're

1007
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:06,600
Speaker 1: shooting elite and I'm sure you feel really good shooting

1008
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:08,200
Speaker 1: that bow and you're really happy with that bow. And

1009
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's guys out there shoot Hoyts and they

1010
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 1: love their bowl, and um, I think it'll for a

1011
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 1: lot of these different types of gear purchases. It comes

1012
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:18,720
Speaker 1: down to more so you know what's the right fit

1013
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:23,080
Speaker 1: for you personally and what you do. Yeah, and so

1014
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:26,080
Speaker 1: I think it comes down to you give some different

1015
00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 1: things to try and find what works for you, find

1016
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 1: what you're comfortable to find, what company and company ethos

1017
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:33,600
Speaker 1: or brand or whatever you feel like you, um, you

1018
00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:36,240
Speaker 1: identify the most with and then go with that, don't

1019
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:40,360
Speaker 1: you know. Don't let well yeah, I'll leave it that.

1020
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:45,000
Speaker 1: Don't let Keybow tell you that the that the can

1021
00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:47,720
Speaker 1: cook is the best crop bottom of the market. Well,

1022
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:49,280
Speaker 1: now he's not going to come on the show. Dan,

1023
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 1: all right, Um, so what do you think about this,

1024
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:01,840
Speaker 1: Paul Shoe? I think it's how you pronounced his last

1025
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:05,240
Speaker 1: name brings up a great question he talks. He asked,

1026
01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:07,120
Speaker 1: you know, if a hot dough passes out of range

1027
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:10,320
Speaker 1: with bucks and toe in, what situation would you pick

1028
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:13,720
Speaker 1: up and move to take advantage of that versus hanging

1029
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:16,320
Speaker 1: tight and staying where you're at. So when you see

1030
01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:19,600
Speaker 1: bucks chasing a dough, do you move to get in

1031
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:21,200
Speaker 1: there where they were or do you stick it out

1032
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:23,040
Speaker 1: where you are and hope that they come back closer

1033
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:27,440
Speaker 1: to you? What do you do? Dan? Well, unfortunately you

1034
01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:33,560
Speaker 1: have if a dough being dogged by one or several bucks,

1035
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:39,000
Speaker 1: it's an irregular movement. So statistically she's probably not going

1036
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:43,720
Speaker 1: to come back in that same location again. Um, if

1037
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:47,240
Speaker 1: you already feel that you're in the best spot, stay

1038
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:50,400
Speaker 1: in that stay in that spot. I wouldn't be this

1039
01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:54,400
Speaker 1: time of year. Like you mentioned, it's chaos in the timber. Nothing,

1040
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:58,200
Speaker 1: there's no pattern. You know, a dough is going to

1041
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 1: do anything that she can be it away from these

1042
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:03,360
Speaker 1: box if she's not ready to breathe or has already

1043
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:07,560
Speaker 1: been bread. So there's no there's no rhyme or reason

1044
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:10,400
Speaker 1: that she's doing what she's doing. She just feels pressure

1045
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:14,280
Speaker 1: from these boks and she wants to get away from them. Yeah,

1046
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:19,960
Speaker 1: I think, Um, I think I agree mostly with what

1047
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:23,640
Speaker 1: you said. Um, that's most of what I've seen, UM,

1048
01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:27,120
Speaker 1: And so I I usually don't pick up and relocate

1049
01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:30,680
Speaker 1: after seeing something like that. But I have heard repeatedly

1050
01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:32,560
Speaker 1: from a lot of other really good hunters that have

1051
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:36,360
Speaker 1: seen doze circle when they've been being chased for long

1052
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:39,080
Speaker 1: periods of time. I have heard lots of times about

1053
01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:41,640
Speaker 1: cases where they'll circle back through the same general area

1054
01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:45,000
Speaker 1: a couple of times. And in those situations, if that's true,

1055
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:47,600
Speaker 1: if that happens, it might be worth moving in and

1056
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:50,640
Speaker 1: trying to get into that area. But in my experience,

1057
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:53,520
Speaker 1: I haven't. I have not seen that myself, So I

1058
01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:55,880
Speaker 1: tend to excuse me. I tend to stick it out

1059
01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:59,000
Speaker 1: where I am and trust my instincts on why I

1060
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:03,880
Speaker 1: originally sat there. Um. Now to another point you said, though, Dan,

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01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:06,640
Speaker 1: You've mentioned the fact that you know, during this time

1062
01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:08,920
Speaker 1: of the year, the woods is chaos and there's no

1063
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:16,400
Speaker 1: patterns to anything going on. And that's right commonly held belief. Um.

1064
01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:23,080
Speaker 1: But to a degree that is wrong. UM. And when

1065
01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:26,080
Speaker 1: I say wrong, we all it's true. Right, there's a

1066
01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:29,439
Speaker 1: lot of casts in the woods, but there is some

1067
01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:32,080
Speaker 1: level of a pattern that is that is going on

1068
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:34,880
Speaker 1: and UM, I think we inherently know this, UM, and

1069
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:37,280
Speaker 1: research has recently shown this. I can't remember if this

1070
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:40,400
Speaker 1: is on our our regular podcast DAN that UM that

1071
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:42,160
Speaker 1: this was discussed, or if it was on the Rules

1072
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:46,960
Speaker 1: of the Rut podcasts UM, but Steve Bartilla had talked

1073
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:48,320
Speaker 1: about this. We had him on the show as a

1074
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:51,560
Speaker 1: guest a few weeks back, UM, and he talked about

1075
01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:53,920
Speaker 1: the fact that he does believe that you can pattern

1076
01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:57,480
Speaker 1: deer during the rut, you can pattern bucks during the rut. UM,

1077
01:02:57,560 --> 01:03:00,400
Speaker 1: and that he's repeatedly seen it. He's seen the same

1078
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:03,680
Speaker 1: big mature deer during the rut continue returning to certain areas.

1079
01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:07,280
Speaker 1: And there was recent research done in Texas where they

1080
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:09,600
Speaker 1: put GPS colors on a bunch of bucks and monitor

1081
01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:12,439
Speaker 1: their movements during the rut, and they found the same

1082
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:14,840
Speaker 1: thing and it makes sense. And what they found is

1083
01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:19,440
Speaker 1: that almost all bucks have a certain number of what

1084
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:24,160
Speaker 1: they called focal points, essentially hot spots that they came

1085
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:28,040
Speaker 1: back to repeatedly every I think it was four or

1086
01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:31,320
Speaker 1: forty eight hours. They would cycle back to these spots

1087
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:34,600
Speaker 1: over and over and over again. So they were repeating

1088
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:37,400
Speaker 1: their movements. What they were doing is they were coming

1089
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:40,080
Speaker 1: back to dough hot spots doe betting airs. So they

1090
01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:42,400
Speaker 1: would check a dough betting area, move on to the

1091
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:44,400
Speaker 1: next one, check that doe betting air again, move on

1092
01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:46,640
Speaker 1: to the next spot, check that dough hot spot. And

1093
01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:48,760
Speaker 1: whenever they did pick up a hot dough or dough

1094
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:51,439
Speaker 1: they were interested. Then they'd chased and would be chaos,

1095
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:53,360
Speaker 1: and they had run around and they would go off

1096
01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:55,920
Speaker 1: and on and you know, seemingly not on any type

1097
01:03:55,920 --> 01:04:00,200
Speaker 1: of UM patternable travel. But then whenever that end did

1098
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:02,360
Speaker 1: or maybe he spent twenty four hours of that dough

1099
01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:04,480
Speaker 1: and he's done with her and he's ready to move

1100
01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:06,320
Speaker 1: on to the next one, then he returns to that

1101
01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:09,200
Speaker 1: basic cycle. And this has been this has been proven

1102
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:13,160
Speaker 1: now it sounds like a number of studies. So I

1103
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:16,919
Speaker 1: think the key is identifying in these cases when there's

1104
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:21,400
Speaker 1: a buck that's utilizing your properties UM is to recognize

1105
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:23,560
Speaker 1: that they do have these focal points. If you can

1106
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:26,440
Speaker 1: identify those focal points, you might have a chance at

1107
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:30,160
Speaker 1: figuring out a very general idea of what this buck

1108
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:32,640
Speaker 1: might do, not that he's gonna be He's not gonna

1109
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:35,040
Speaker 1: be doing every day, Um, that you're in BLC. But

1110
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:37,720
Speaker 1: in lots of cases, if you're in that core area,

1111
01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:40,200
Speaker 1: these bucks are staying closer to home than I think

1112
01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:44,200
Speaker 1: a lot of us originally believed. Um. Of course, there

1113
01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:46,400
Speaker 1: are some of those different excursions where they take off

1114
01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:48,360
Speaker 1: here and take off there, but they're a little more

1115
01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:50,960
Speaker 1: consistent than I think. You know, most of us have

1116
01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:54,600
Speaker 1: always talked about. Right, And I agree with what you

1117
01:04:54,680 --> 01:04:57,280
Speaker 1: said as far as you know the focal points. But

1118
01:04:58,320 --> 01:05:01,000
Speaker 1: in regards to Paul's question, I want you moving to

1119
01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:06,280
Speaker 1: stand based on one hot dog running through your area? Yeah, absolutely,

1120
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:11,400
Speaker 1: so I'm not saying what I guess. My response was

1121
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:15,760
Speaker 1: not to not to make a decision based off one

1122
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:19,480
Speaker 1: you know, one thing you see in the woods. Um,

1123
01:05:19,720 --> 01:05:24,080
Speaker 1: go with what you know the history of that area

1124
01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:27,280
Speaker 1: has shown you in previous years. Um. If if you

1125
01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:30,479
Speaker 1: think it does coming back in the same area, stick

1126
01:05:30,680 --> 01:05:33,640
Speaker 1: stick stick to that area. You know, don't be moving

1127
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:37,240
Speaker 1: a stand because you saw a hot dough run across

1128
01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:45,840
Speaker 1: the ridge. Um you know one day? Yeah percent agree

1129
01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:49,240
Speaker 1: with you on that, And damn well, what else do

1130
01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:51,320
Speaker 1: you think we we should cover here, Danny? Any other

1131
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:56,400
Speaker 1: questions here on the list that you want to tackle. Well,

1132
01:05:57,160 --> 01:05:59,880
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's necessarily a question, you know,

1133
01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:03,360
Speaker 1: as it is more of a reminder, you know, today,

1134
01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:06,760
Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you. We were we were coming

1135
01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:09,680
Speaker 1: into an area, we were setting up. I had my

1136
01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:15,440
Speaker 1: safety harness on and my truth stand slips and you know,

1137
01:06:15,600 --> 01:06:17,960
Speaker 1: nothing bad really happened, but I had to step up

1138
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:20,760
Speaker 1: on another branch while Ryan adjusted my truth stand for me.

1139
01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:22,640
Speaker 1: So I have to get back on it. And what

1140
01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:26,680
Speaker 1: my point is, as we start hunting, we get we

1141
01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:31,400
Speaker 1: get tired, we get frustrated, we start to lose sight

1142
01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:35,280
Speaker 1: of maybe what we think are simple but are actually

1143
01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:39,120
Speaker 1: the most important things like our our safety and other

1144
01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:43,640
Speaker 1: people safety. To to really slow down and you know,

1145
01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:48,480
Speaker 1: checking your gear, make sure it's working right, shoot your bow, um,

1146
01:06:48,520 --> 01:06:52,040
Speaker 1: you know, make sure you're you're doing the right thing,

1147
01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:54,400
Speaker 1: not only for your safety, but as far as the

1148
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:58,760
Speaker 1: hunting is concerned. To uh, you know, don't take shortcuts, um,

1149
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:02,920
Speaker 1: don't don't act because you know you're tired or or

1150
01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:06,160
Speaker 1: I don't know, just just use your brain and slow

1151
01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:10,640
Speaker 1: down and make sure you're thinking soundly before you do

1152
01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:14,240
Speaker 1: make a decision or you do go into a new spot,

1153
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:17,800
Speaker 1: or you know, check the winds, you know, put all

1154
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:20,800
Speaker 1: the information you have together. I know that's it's kind

1155
01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:24,320
Speaker 1: of one big thing, but I don't know. It's just

1156
01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:27,360
Speaker 1: something that kind of crossed my mind. Um, I probably

1157
01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:29,920
Speaker 1: stepped on my true stand without really checking on it today.

1158
01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:32,320
Speaker 1: And you know, some of it was probably because I

1159
01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:34,480
Speaker 1: was tired. Some of it was probably because I was

1160
01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:39,160
Speaker 1: in a hurry. UM. But nothing bad happened. But you

1161
01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:42,720
Speaker 1: never know any It's one of those things where anything

1162
01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:45,520
Speaker 1: can happen at any moment. Yeah, it's a great point.

1163
01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:48,480
Speaker 1: I think, like you said, it's especially this time of

1164
01:07:48,560 --> 01:07:50,480
Speaker 1: year where a lot of us are on a vacation

1165
01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:52,560
Speaker 1: or something where we're hunting for seven days in a

1166
01:07:52,640 --> 01:07:54,440
Speaker 1: row or fourteen days in a row or whatever, and

1167
01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:57,080
Speaker 1: we're putting really long hours in. Um, it's easy to

1168
01:07:57,120 --> 01:08:00,480
Speaker 1: get sloppy. It's easy to get tired and UM, whether

1169
01:08:00,520 --> 01:08:02,760
Speaker 1: that's with something related to safety, like in your case,

1170
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:05,000
Speaker 1: or if it's um, you know, when it comes to

1171
01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:08,000
Speaker 1: execution of your hunting strategy, or you know, maybe you're

1172
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:10,440
Speaker 1: tired and you just yeah, I just want to get

1173
01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:12,160
Speaker 1: back home. I'm just gonna walk right to the middle

1174
01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:13,880
Speaker 1: of that field coming out of the stand at night

1175
01:08:14,040 --> 01:08:18,000
Speaker 1: or whatever it might be. Um, we need to remind

1176
01:08:18,040 --> 01:08:21,280
Speaker 1: ourselves that you can't be sloppy even during the rut.

1177
01:08:21,360 --> 01:08:26,680
Speaker 1: These are still smart, smart animals. Um. And and then

1178
01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:29,120
Speaker 1: you know, things outside of the hunting point to you

1179
01:08:29,200 --> 01:08:31,679
Speaker 1: got to make sure you're being careful, being smart, doing

1180
01:08:31,720 --> 01:08:35,800
Speaker 1: things the right way. So it's a beautiful, awesome, fun

1181
01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:38,960
Speaker 1: time of year, but it's not. It's not timy year

1182
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:40,719
Speaker 1: where you can be lax with what you're doing either.

1183
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:46,040
Speaker 1: I think the very last thing for me it would

1184
01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:49,920
Speaker 1: be remember why you're doing this? I know. I just

1185
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:53,080
Speaker 1: remember the very first time I ever went on a

1186
01:08:53,080 --> 01:08:59,439
Speaker 1: bull hunt. I had a garage show bow with every

1187
01:08:59,439 --> 01:09:02,320
Speaker 1: every air was different, with every godhead it was different.

1188
01:09:02,360 --> 01:09:05,880
Speaker 1: I think I was maybe thirteen years old and I

1189
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:10,479
Speaker 1: got within like five yards and probably it was a

1190
01:09:10,479 --> 01:09:15,519
Speaker 1: homemade treating bill all the two by fours and Elber rackets,

1191
01:09:15,640 --> 01:09:20,000
Speaker 1: um my iron l brackets, and I just I had

1192
01:09:20,200 --> 01:09:22,200
Speaker 1: such a blast and that had so much fun. And

1193
01:09:22,240 --> 01:09:27,280
Speaker 1: now there's so much pressure I feel from Facebook and

1194
01:09:27,439 --> 01:09:30,040
Speaker 1: from others. You know, there's a little bit of antler

1195
01:09:30,160 --> 01:09:34,160
Speaker 1: jealousy so to speak, that remember why, I remember why

1196
01:09:34,200 --> 01:09:36,120
Speaker 1: you started doing this in the first place. And have

1197
01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:38,839
Speaker 1: and have fun, because that's what this is all supposed

1198
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:41,960
Speaker 1: to be about. It's supposed to be fun and relaxing,

1199
01:09:42,400 --> 01:09:46,519
Speaker 1: and you're supposed to enjoy yourself. That's I think that's

1200
01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:48,599
Speaker 1: the most important mine that we can leave anyone with.

1201
01:09:48,840 --> 01:09:51,400
Speaker 1: And it's so ironic because you know, this is the

1202
01:09:51,439 --> 01:09:54,240
Speaker 1: time of year that you know, so my name us

1203
01:09:54,240 --> 01:09:56,559
Speaker 1: look forward to, you know, all year for the rut.

1204
01:09:56,600 --> 01:09:59,479
Speaker 1: We're so amped up for this time period. Um, and

1205
01:09:59,479 --> 01:10:01,360
Speaker 1: we talked out and talk about it. We can't wait,

1206
01:10:01,400 --> 01:10:04,320
Speaker 1: and UM, I almost feel like it's because of all

1207
01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:06,479
Speaker 1: that hype and all those expectations that we put on

1208
01:10:06,479 --> 01:10:09,280
Speaker 1: ourselves about the run that, at least for me, and

1209
01:10:09,320 --> 01:10:11,639
Speaker 1: I imagine from what you're saying and from what I've

1210
01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:13,439
Speaker 1: heard from other people, that a lot of other people

1211
01:10:13,439 --> 01:10:17,160
Speaker 1: feel as too. Um, Like you said, there's a tremendous

1212
01:10:17,200 --> 01:10:19,719
Speaker 1: amount of pressure, and I end up getting I wish

1213
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:21,280
Speaker 1: I wasn't this way, and I need to work on this,

1214
01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:23,840
Speaker 1: but I get more stressed out than any other time

1215
01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:26,840
Speaker 1: of year. This time of year, this is when I'm

1216
01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:29,120
Speaker 1: the most frustrated and the most stressed out. And it's

1217
01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:31,400
Speaker 1: it's ridiculous because, like you said, this is we're supposed

1218
01:10:31,439 --> 01:10:33,479
Speaker 1: to be. Haven't found with it? This is you know,

1219
01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:36,599
Speaker 1: what we have been looking forward to. So remembering why

1220
01:10:36,720 --> 01:10:40,639
Speaker 1: why you're doing what you're doing is is great advice. Um,

1221
01:10:40,680 --> 01:10:43,040
Speaker 1: and yet it's funny. My my wife actually texted me

1222
01:10:43,120 --> 01:10:46,479
Speaker 1: last night, UM kind of she knows me pretty well.

1223
01:10:46,520 --> 01:10:48,120
Speaker 1: She you know, just said something aligne. So you know,

1224
01:10:48,160 --> 01:10:50,479
Speaker 1: I know you're already getting frustrated and Nancy, but you know,

1225
01:10:50,600 --> 01:10:53,120
Speaker 1: she said exactly exactly what you said, Danny. She said,

1226
01:10:53,120 --> 01:10:55,479
Speaker 1: you need to remember why you do this, And um,

1227
01:10:55,479 --> 01:10:58,519
Speaker 1: you know you you do this because you chose this challenge,

1228
01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:00,400
Speaker 1: because it's just that it's a challenge. So you know,

1229
01:11:00,439 --> 01:11:03,280
Speaker 1: focus on the joy, focus on the adventure and knowing

1230
01:11:03,320 --> 01:11:05,639
Speaker 1: you know that all these you know, all the great

1231
01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:08,320
Speaker 1: accomplishments that eventually will come, you know, they're worth the struggle.

1232
01:11:08,439 --> 01:11:12,760
Speaker 1: So I think I have fun with it. And um,

1233
01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:15,280
Speaker 1: you know, like you said, Facebook, I think there's a

1234
01:11:15,320 --> 01:11:17,800
Speaker 1: lot of Facebook envy out there and seeing everyone else

1235
01:11:17,880 --> 01:11:20,519
Speaker 1: killing her deer. Um, I think that weighs on people.

1236
01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:23,040
Speaker 1: And you know, just just have fun with it and

1237
01:11:23,040 --> 01:11:26,040
Speaker 1: don't get too stressed out. And you know, I'm just

1238
01:11:26,120 --> 01:11:28,760
Speaker 1: as I'm more guilty than this of probably anyone. So

1239
01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:33,360
Speaker 1: this is me preaching to myself. But um, it's a

1240
01:11:33,360 --> 01:11:35,320
Speaker 1: mental game. I know we talked about this last week,

1241
01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:37,800
Speaker 1: but I think the rut in general, it's it's all

1242
01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:40,800
Speaker 1: about it's you know, stick to the basics. For me,

1243
01:11:40,840 --> 01:11:43,160
Speaker 1: it's you know, hunt those couple of corrieras put in

1244
01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:47,160
Speaker 1: your time, hunt hard and stay positive, stay focused, you know,

1245
01:11:47,320 --> 01:11:49,680
Speaker 1: keep the right attitude and if you can grind it

1246
01:11:49,720 --> 01:11:51,960
Speaker 1: out and do all those right, all those things, um,

1247
01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:54,280
Speaker 1: while you know still you know, making sure you're having

1248
01:11:54,280 --> 01:11:57,240
Speaker 1: fun enjoying yourself, you can have success. And even if

1249
01:11:57,400 --> 01:11:59,280
Speaker 1: you know maybe it's not in the cards and you

1250
01:11:59,280 --> 01:12:01,200
Speaker 1: don't kill your but if you focus on having the

1251
01:12:01,280 --> 01:12:03,760
Speaker 1: right attitude, you're still gonna have a good time doing it.

1252
01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:05,720
Speaker 1: And I think that's the most important thing here. So

1253
01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:11,120
Speaker 1: I think that even a successful season doesn't necessarily have

1254
01:12:11,200 --> 01:12:15,639
Speaker 1: to end of the kill exactly. So I think that's

1255
01:12:15,640 --> 01:12:18,440
Speaker 1: a good place for us to leave things here. Dan, Um,

1256
01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:21,360
Speaker 1: I don't know. I hope. I think we kind of

1257
01:12:21,439 --> 01:12:23,360
Speaker 1: rambled all over the world on this one, Dan, I

1258
01:12:23,400 --> 01:12:25,920
Speaker 1: hope it was still useful. Hope it was useful of people.

1259
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:28,679
Speaker 1: And UM, I know that you're talking on a cell

1260
01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:31,479
Speaker 1: phone in southern Iowa to your parents place, and I'm

1261
01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:34,639
Speaker 1: in a random hotel room. So I hope that everything

1262
01:12:34,680 --> 01:12:37,080
Speaker 1: turned out okay. Um, but we're doing our best here

1263
01:12:37,080 --> 01:12:39,000
Speaker 1: in the middle of the rut to keep keep the

1264
01:12:39,040 --> 01:12:41,640
Speaker 1: podcast going. So we're gonna we're gonna keep at it,

1265
01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:44,320
Speaker 1: and we hope that you guys out there listening to too,

1266
01:12:44,439 --> 01:12:47,600
Speaker 1: and hope you're hunting hard and having a blast. Um.

1267
01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:49,679
Speaker 1: So Dan, if you don't have anything else, I will.

1268
01:12:50,040 --> 01:12:52,280
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna wrap it up. What do you say?

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Speaker 1: I think that's good. I just wish everybody was listening

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Speaker 1: to good Luck and I I hope all your wildest

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Speaker 1: white tailed dreams come true. I like it. I feel

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Speaker 1: like now we should have the Disney theme song planning

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Speaker 1: or something like. All right, well, then let's close the

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Speaker 1: show down here. So that said, thank you guys all

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Speaker 1: for being here with us today. If you've enjoyed the podcast,

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Speaker 1: as we always ask, we really appreciate if you can

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Speaker 1: leave us a rating or review on iTunes. It helps

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Speaker 1: a ton and already a hundred and two of you

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Speaker 1: have done that, and gosh, we appreciate it. I go

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Speaker 1: on there and read the reviews and just love hearing

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Speaker 1: what you guys think about the show. And I'm so

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Speaker 1: glad to hear that you're enjoying it and that we're

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Speaker 1: helping you out. I've gotten so many cool messages and

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Speaker 1: tweets and Facebook, um emails and stuff just talking about

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Speaker 1: how people are enjoying the podcast on their drive to work.

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Speaker 1: Um Or a guy sent a message saying that he

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Speaker 1: was on a flight from Houston up to Wisconsin and

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Speaker 1: was listening to the podcast and it was helping him

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Speaker 1: get to the flight, um looking forward to hunting and stuff.

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Speaker 1: So that's just so cool and I'm just um privileged

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Speaker 1: and honored and excited to know that to know that

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Speaker 1: people are enjoying what we're doing here. So thank you

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Speaker 1: for that. Speaking of thanks, as always, we always want

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Speaker 1: to thank our partners who do help make this show

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Speaker 1: possible and keep us on the air. So big thanks

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Speaker 1: to Sick of Gear, Trophy, Ridge Bear Archery, Redneck Blinds,

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Speaker 1: Carbon Express Arrows, Hunt Soft, Lacrosse Boots, Big and J

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Speaker 1: long Range Attractants, and the White Tail Institute of North America.

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Speaker 1: Thank you all so much for joining us here today

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Speaker 1: on the Word Hunt podcast and I hope that they

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Speaker 1: were hunting, you know, like Dan said, I hope your

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Speaker 1: white tail dreams are coming true. I hope the hunting

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Speaker 1: has been good, and I hope you guys have some

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Speaker 1: really really awesome encounters in the days to come. So

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Speaker 1: good luck out there and stay Weired to Hunt