1 00:00:01,760 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: Al Zone Media. 2 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 2: Welcome to it could Happen Here, a podcast about firing 3 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 2: your boss and keeping them fired and then making their 4 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 2: not be bosses. That was an extremely long and slightly 5 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 2: cumbersome intro from your host to mea wong. But with 6 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 2: me today to talk about how to do such a 7 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 2: thing is Raisa Freiheit, Tabby and Daniel from the IWW, 8 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 2: who are part of a tour talking about just that. 9 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 2: So all three of you, welcome to the show. 10 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:38,880 Speaker 1: Ikey, thank you for having us. 11 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm so excited me as well. 12 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:45,840 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm excited for every time I do something 13 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 1: like this because I'm very much an attention horror. I 14 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 1: feel as there as an actress. 15 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 2: I kind of have to be. I mean, yeah, that 16 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 2: is kind of you know you do you are? I guess, like, yeah, 17 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 2: trying to I don't know, Oh my god, how do 18 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 2: I do a better transition? 19 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 3: I don't know. 20 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 4: You have to ask my doctor? Okay, never mind, we're 21 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 4: leaving it. The part about how to do a better transition, 22 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 4: We're leaving it. You'd have to ask my doctor. 23 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 2: I like this. This is great. Speaking of a union 24 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 2: that has a unbelievable number of trans people in it 25 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 2: these days. Yeah, So we have on the show talked 26 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 2: a little bit about the industrial workers of the world. 27 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 2: We have had some IWW unions on the show. But yeah, 28 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 2: today we're also going to be talking about sort of 29 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 2: the history of the union and something cool that the 30 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 2: union is doing. So I guess to start off, can 31 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 2: you three give a kind of brief introduction to like, 32 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 2: you know, like the one sentence like what is this thing? 33 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 2: And then what is this tour that you're doing? 34 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 5: Yeah? So this tour is the decentralized tour. There's not 35 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 5: like a small number of experts so to speak, we're 36 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 5: touring the country and giving us speech or talking about things. 37 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 5: It's more like each INDIVIDUALWW branch that is participating is 38 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 5: planning and organizing its own event. But we're coordinating on 39 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 5: a national level and trying to promote this very broadly 40 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 5: to the public because the IWW hasn't done a very 41 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 5: public event, especially a national one like this and quite 42 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 5: some time, and so we feel like the moment is 43 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 5: calling for something like this. 44 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, and so I guess we can now ask, Okay, 45 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 2: what actually is the IWW and how do we explain 46 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:38,640 Speaker 2: to people that it is in fact called the Industrial 47 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 2: Workers of the World, not the International Workers of the World. 48 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 2: And also that it is not just a union of 49 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 2: people who work in heavy industry. 50 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 6: Well, we're the industrial Workers of the world because we 51 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 6: organize industrially. We want to organize all the workers in 52 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 6: each industry and not by their trade. 53 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. 54 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: So an example I always use, you know, since i've 55 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 1: i mean so much student debt, what happens when you're 56 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: getting your masters and your doctorate is, say there's a 57 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 1: school university instead of well, what traditional unions do, which is, 58 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 1: you know, you have the teachers union, and then like 59 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 1: the janitors union, and you know, the thas union and 60 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 1: all these separate unions like a cafeteria worker union, et cetera. 61 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 1: You just have one big union. That's one of the 62 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 1: things the IWW is called. You just have one union 63 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 1: across all these things. Uh So, everyone from the teachers 64 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 1: to the thas to the janitors to everyone in between 65 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 1: is in the same union, in the same bargaining unit. 66 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 6: And we don't just stop at one industry. The goal 67 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 6: of the IWW is to organize all industries industrially. Capital 68 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 6: is organized this way, and workers really ought to do 69 00:03:57,240 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 6: the same. 70 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 1: Exactly. We have everyone from sex workers to actresses, to 71 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 1: carpenters to especially back in the day, a lot of miners, 72 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 1: you know, everyone you can think of. As long as 73 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 1: you don't have hiring or firing power and aren't a 74 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 1: copper active duty military, you can join the IWW. 75 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's something that I think, I think we've 76 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 2: gotten to on this show a little bit, which is that, 77 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 2: like I mean, obviously it depends a lot on where 78 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:28,040 Speaker 2: you are, but like a lot of the organizing the 79 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 2: IWW does is with service workers and service workers and 80 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 2: shops that every other union looks at and goes, well, 81 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 2: you're not worth organizing because we can't get enough money 82 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 2: your members out of it. And that's something I don't know, 83 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 2: I think is really valuable in this moment where yeah, 84 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 2: like unbelievable numbers of people are doing service work. That's 85 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 2: like what that's what the economy is built on. If 86 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:53,839 Speaker 2: you're committed from the start to organizing all sectors and 87 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:56,719 Speaker 2: all workers and all industries, you don't end up in 88 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 2: a place where you're just right off, you know, like 89 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 2: entire sectors of the economy that are a lot of 90 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 2: times of people who most desperately need to organize. 91 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's like exactly why the IWW was born 92 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 5: in the first place, was because the trade unions back 93 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 5: in the nineteen hundreds were ignoring all of the unskilled workers, 94 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:20,600 Speaker 5: so to speak, like the miners and like the dock workers. 95 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 5: But the IWW all the way back nineteen oh five 96 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 5: was saying, what is still saying today is that all 97 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:29,159 Speaker 5: workers need at union. And I'm a bartender, I'm a server. 98 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 5: I've been one since I was sixteen years old. My 99 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 5: whole working life and my experience as just a working 100 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 5: class person has drawn me to the IWW. It's philosophy, Yeah, 101 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 5: because no other union really cares about us, but THEW 102 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:46,159 Speaker 5: is there. And like you said, like that's what most 103 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 5: workers in this kind or not most, but a large 104 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 5: chunk of workers in this country are service workers. It 105 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 5: makes up like a third of the economy. 106 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 6: Yeah, and moreover, the industrial workers of the world teach 107 00:05:56,400 --> 00:06:00,480 Speaker 6: us the tools to make change in our workplace. Other 108 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 6: unions are something of a service model, right, they themselves 109 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:08,040 Speaker 6: become a service for their clients, who are the workers. 110 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 3: But what the IWW teaches is that it's on us, right, 111 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 3: we need to make the change in our workplace. 112 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 6: We have to analyze the conditions, really understand the imbalance 113 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 6: of power that the bosses have over us as wage 114 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 6: workers and change them. And that means talking to our colleagues, learning, analyzing, 115 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 6: and then taking action, the direct action to make the 116 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:34,719 Speaker 6: changes that we want. Because only us, we're the ones 117 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:37,840 Speaker 6: who know what's best for our workplace, what's best for 118 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 6: our industry, right, and we're in a position to make 119 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 6: that change when we organize horizontally in that way. 120 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, the thing I really love about the IWW is 121 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:52,920 Speaker 1: that it's a very good teacher in many ways. You know, 122 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:56,479 Speaker 1: so many people, you know, aren't fortunate to have the 123 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: incredible amount of education that I have in you know, 124 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:03,839 Speaker 1: really being able to study the material conditions of capitalism, 125 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:06,280 Speaker 1: of really kind of getting at the center of, you know, 126 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 1: how change is made. And I find that with the 127 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 1: IWW and the way we organize, no classroom in the 128 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 1: world can teach you, as well as your own experience 129 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 1: that the way to revolution is not electing some politician. 130 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 1: The way to the revolution isn't handing your power to 131 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 1: some union bureaucrat. The way to the revolution to socialism, 132 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 1: to communism, to industrial democracy to the abolition of the 133 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 1: wage system. Is direct action, is doing it yourself, is 134 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 1: shop floor organizing. And when workers realize that they have 135 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 1: power over their own lives and destinies at work, they 136 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 1: realize that they have power over all of society. Once 137 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 1: we come together and decide upon something, there is no 138 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 1: employer who can stop us. 139 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 2: You know. Big Bill Haywood, who's a very very famous 140 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 2: old WW member, has this line where he goes, I've 141 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 2: never read Capital, but I have its stars on my back. 142 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 2: Many memes have been made of that. Yeah, and it's 143 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 2: it's something that I don't know, like something I do 144 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 2: appreciate kind of about Like my experience with the union 145 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 2: has been that, like it's a place where, you know, 146 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 2: the theoretical stuff that you're doing, right, is stuff that's 147 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 2: drawn from just the immediacy of like, Okay, we have 148 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 2: to get a bunch of people to show up to 149 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 2: a meeting so that you know, we can do this union. 150 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 2: We have to like talk to people, and we have 151 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 2: to like get people organized to be able to do 152 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 2: direct actions. We have to be able to like get 153 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 2: people to show up in this place and like do 154 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 2: all of the sort of like you know the just 155 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 2: the like the the nitty pretty technical work of like 156 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 2: fighting a class struggle. But it's this place where like, yeah, 157 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 2: you actually get theory that's drawn from action and is 158 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 2: sort of unified with it because you just you have 159 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:07,560 Speaker 2: to do it right, like you have to get anyone 160 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 2: to do the thing constantly, and there's no one else 161 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 2: who can do it for you. There's just you and 162 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 2: your fellow workers. And it's yeah, it's you and your 163 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 2: fellow workers, and you're fighting against the boss at it 164 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 2: it rocks. 165 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 3: And then once you feel it, you're hooked. 166 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 6: Yeah, right, once you really get to experience that that 167 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 6: sort of camaraderie, that closeness you actually get with your 168 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 6: co workers, when you know your comrades and struggle, you're 169 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:37,200 Speaker 6: working together towards something that's way bigger than any department, right, 170 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:40,719 Speaker 6: or institution or anything. It's a matter of creating the 171 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 6: world that we want for ourselves, the world that like 172 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 6: we are entitled as workers as a creator of all 173 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 6: this wealth and all of these great things that that 174 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 6: humans are capable of. Like that's that's what the Wobblies 175 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:52,959 Speaker 6: are all about. 176 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 5: In my humble opinion, just kind of is bringing up 177 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 5: for me, like one of the most remarkable things about 178 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 5: the IWW historically, like in its heyday, it had nearly 179 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 5: a half percent of all workers in this country within 180 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:11,560 Speaker 5: its ranks, and like the wobbly philosophy like spread like 181 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 5: wildfire across the country and it was just spread by 182 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:18,680 Speaker 5: regular rank file workers who were empowered and believed in something. Yeah, 183 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 5: and you know, it's it's sad to say that, like 184 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 5: today a lot of workers don't even know what the 185 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 5: IWW is, what it means, like what it's done. So 186 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 5: like that is part of the reason why we're doing 187 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 5: the firebus tours to like actually become a phenomenon again 188 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:37,560 Speaker 5: and to have people recognize us and like, no, the 189 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 5: wobbly way of organizing. 190 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:42,560 Speaker 1: You know, yeah, I cannot do you the amount of 191 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 1: times you know, I've I've been talking with you know, 192 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:50,319 Speaker 1: other union organizers and they said, wait, the IWW still exists. 193 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing happens. 194 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:54,440 Speaker 1: A lot or even worse, they don't know about it 195 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:57,559 Speaker 1: at all. And again, as a historian of our union 196 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 1: and somewhat long time member I've been a member since 197 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, it really pisses me off. Pissed me off 198 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:07,079 Speaker 1: to the degree that last year, for one hundred and 199 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:14,960 Speaker 1: twentieth anniversary, I produce and performed in a wabversary live stream. 200 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 1: We had people from four different countries and multiple different 201 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 1: branches just call into the show shout out the caveat 202 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 1: in New York City they hosted us. And that kind 203 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 1: of just really feeds into why we're doing Fire Your Boss, 204 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:35,680 Speaker 1: because I know all of us want the IWW to 205 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 1: be like known and you know, not just as a 206 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 1: union that the US government killed, which by the way, 207 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 1: they failed to do, but as a vibrant force that 208 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:49,960 Speaker 1: is an alternative to not only you know, wage slavery, 209 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:54,599 Speaker 1: but unions as a service and you know, not unions 210 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 1: as you and your coworkers and your comrades. 211 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's one thing I think comes up a 212 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 2: lot in organizing, which is like a lot of the 213 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 2: history of what the union is and not just sort 214 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 2: of the history of like I guess what you would 215 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 2: call like the Heyday and the nineteen hundreds and like 216 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 2: you know through that's like the nineteen twenties, but like 217 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 2: the modern history of the union has just been suppressed 218 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:27,080 Speaker 2: or disappeared. I think people now are kind of getting 219 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:30,320 Speaker 2: an understanding that like there was a Starbucks union before 220 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 2: the current Starbucks union that like aaw organized. I think 221 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 2: people tend to think of it as like it was 222 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:38,839 Speaker 2: like some shops in New York, and it's like, no, no, 223 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:40,959 Speaker 2: it wasn't. It was all over the country. There was 224 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:43,079 Speaker 2: a whole bunch of shit that they did. There were 225 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 2: enormous numbers of workers involved, and it's a thing that 226 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 2: like it's both from from a historical perspective but also 227 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 2: from the perspective of like just generationally, we tend to 228 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 2: lose like movement knowledge as as each generation comes down 229 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 2: because a lot of the stuff just isn't passed on. 230 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:04,440 Speaker 1: No one knows the Internationale anymore. Lame, no one knows 231 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:06,560 Speaker 1: the Internationale anymore. 232 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, But it's not even just that. It's like there's 233 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 2: stuff that like happened in our lifetime that like people 234 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 2: you probably have met were involved with that like is 235 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 2: just gone. Like the example I always talk about on 236 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 2: this show, and I'm gonna keep talking about it until 237 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:22,439 Speaker 2: every single person in the left knows about it was 238 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:26,439 Speaker 2: the Wahaka Uprising, where like yeah, like also like Wobbli's 239 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:29,079 Speaker 2: like went through this and we're in it. But it's like, yeah, 240 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 2: like people in Mexico like took a major North American 241 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 2: city and held it longer than the Paris commune did. 242 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 2: And this was in two thousand and six. Like, I 243 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 2: guess maybe there are some of you now, horrifyingly who 244 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:43,680 Speaker 2: weren't alive for that. But like, nice way to make 245 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:47,440 Speaker 2: me feel old. I know. It's a nightmare. The history 246 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 2: impossibility of struggle, I think like just gets lost in 247 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:54,440 Speaker 2: ways where people suddenly don't realize that Like yeah, no, 248 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 2: like in in your lifetimes, people formed giant assemblies and 249 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 2: took control of like a major r to American city 250 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 2: and held it for months. Like that's the thing that 251 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 2: we all live through. 252 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 6: It's a long memory, right, I mean, it's a powerful 253 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 6: weapon that we have when we actually remember these things, 254 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 6: when we really learned from them, and we realize that's ourselves, 255 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 6: that is our history, that is a people's history, right. 256 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 3: We are learning somebody else's history. We're living right in. 257 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 6: The world of the ruling class, right, and we just 258 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 6: need to realize that we're in the position to change it. 259 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 3: We're the ones. 260 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 6: Who do it, who make the history and really create 261 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 6: the world we want in the shell in all of 262 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 6: this like you know, buckery that's going on around the world. 263 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 2: It's on us while I'm talking about Mexico to talk 264 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 2: about a very different part of Mexico. I do you 265 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 2: want to mention like maybe my I don't know if 266 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 2: it's like fair. Like one of the pieces of wobbly 267 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 2: like history that I really like that I think never 268 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 2: gets talked about is the fact that, in a similar 269 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 2: way that like what happens today, there's a lot of 270 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 2: connections between workers in like workers in California, workers in Mexico, 271 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 2: and there's a bunch of people moving back and forth 272 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 2: across the border. There's workers moving around, and there was 273 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 2: a whole bunch of Mexican Wobbleys of various kinds, and 274 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 2: a whole bunch of Wobbley's like went over and fought 275 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 2: in the Mexican Revolution because it was it was the 276 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 2: thing to do. 277 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 6: Yeah. 278 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 1: The collaboration was to the point that multiple locals in 279 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 1: various states in Mexico and also California and Arizona, they 280 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 1: were literally like merged. So it was literally like the 281 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 1: same local across you know, national borders. 282 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, and if I'm remembering correctly, like the IWW like 283 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 2: took a few Mexican cities like in the north because 284 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 2: they were the people who were just doing the uprising there. 285 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, put them and their allies in the Partido Liberal Mexicano, 286 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 1: which do not be confused by the name, was an 287 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 1: anarchist group. That is the whole history in and of itself. 288 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 2: One of the all time funniest things we've ever seen 289 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 2: of just yeah we named ourselves. Some liberal already have 290 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 2: baxiccoble or anarchists. Just incredible stuff going on in the 291 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 2: nineteen hundred's. It was a very different time. Yeah, speaking 292 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 2: of very different times, Yeah, do you want to talk 293 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 2: more about sort of what is going to be involved 294 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 2: in this tour and I guess also like how people 295 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 2: can get involved with it and learn and hopefully like 296 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 2: start organizing and fighting in their workplaces. 297 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 5: Yeah. So the rough curriculum or agenda for the tour 298 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 5: has like four or five primary like sections. But like 299 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 5: I said at the beginning of this conversation, like it's 300 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 5: a decentralized tour, So each branch is going to do 301 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 5: it a little bit differently, but roughly it's going to 302 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 5: be first like people we're going to try to like 303 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 5: talk with people who attend, like see what people's current 304 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 5: conception of a union is, just like kind of talk 305 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 5: about unions broadly and how people perceive them, and then 306 00:16:56,800 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 5: transition into talking about the IWW's way to do unions 307 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 5: and solidarity unionism, which doesn't necessarily rely on recognition from 308 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:09,919 Speaker 5: the state or capital, like we recognize ourselves as the union, 309 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 5: you know, we take direct action. We're very democratic, very caring, 310 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 5: you know, talking about, yeah, the IWW's way to do 311 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:21,400 Speaker 5: unionism and industrially, like how do you do industrial unions, 312 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:25,160 Speaker 5: and then moving into how unions can be a revolutionary 313 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:29,360 Speaker 5: force and how like we're facing all these things we're 314 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:32,960 Speaker 5: up against, like these FBI rates and multiple like cities 315 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 5: and states across the country. Ice is like literally murdering 316 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 5: people in the streets. We've like got genocides going on 317 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 5: all over the place. And by taking back control of 318 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:47,239 Speaker 5: our labor and shutting shit down, we can be a 319 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:50,639 Speaker 5: revolutionary force. And I feel like a lot of people 320 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:53,440 Speaker 5: have kind of forgotten about the movement and so to speak, 321 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 5: because of how shitty like these trade unions can be 322 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 5: sometimes and how bureaucratic, and so you know, we should 323 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 5: remember that they are really powerful like things to be doing. 324 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:06,639 Speaker 5: And then we'll wrap it up with just talking about 325 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 5: like next steps and things. Hopefully get people out to 326 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 5: organize your trainings, just get people connected to their local branches, 327 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 5: make connections with people who are like thinking about the 328 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 5: same things about building militant rank and file unions and stuff. Yeah. 329 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, do you want to talk a little bit about 330 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:25,200 Speaker 2: the organizer trainings because I think that's a really really 331 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:28,399 Speaker 2: cool thing that AWW does that people don't really know 332 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 2: about it all. 333 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 3: Yeah. 334 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:34,720 Speaker 5: I really love the IWW's organizer training. We have an 335 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 5: OT one oh one organizer training one oh one called 336 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 5: Building the Committee, and it's a two day training kind 337 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:45,159 Speaker 5: of like a big crash course into how to build 338 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 5: a union from scratch, like within your workplace, how to 339 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:53,440 Speaker 5: start gathering contacts, how to start having like those initial 340 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 5: conversations with worker your fellow workers, and how to develop 341 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:02,639 Speaker 5: your coworkers into organized us, and how to build power 342 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 5: in the workplace and shift that balance of power from 343 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 5: the boss to the workers. And it's it's very different 344 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:12,439 Speaker 5: than like other union organizer trainings because a lot of 345 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:15,639 Speaker 5: other trainings are basically like training you how to do 346 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 5: card check campaigns like how to talk to your coworker, 347 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 5: get them to sign a card and then you never 348 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 5: talk to them again kind of thing. But we're not 349 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:26,440 Speaker 5: interested in that. We're interested in like building real relationships 350 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:29,159 Speaker 5: and like building bill power with our coworkers, and that's 351 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 5: what the training is all about. 352 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:32,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's fun both at two levels of one, 353 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 2: I've I've been to one of these and it's very 354 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:36,400 Speaker 2: very good. And the second thing I think is very 355 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 2: funny is like the other unions that like suck less 356 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 2: in the US, like part of what has happened is 357 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:45,639 Speaker 2: they've adopted a bunch of the training from that one. 358 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:49,880 Speaker 1: The amount of times I've seen some union doing something 359 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 1: and being like they learned it from us, it's very 360 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 1: fucking obviously learned it from us. 361 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:58,120 Speaker 2: I will listen to people being like they're they're giving 362 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 2: a definition of the union. I'm like, that's the idea 363 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:02,919 Speaker 2: w one, And I know your leadership doesn't believe this 364 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:06,399 Speaker 2: because that's like, not, that's not how your union works. 365 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 2: But yeah, you could, you could, you could, you could 366 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 2: you can get the original one from the source that 367 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 2: doesn't have in the same way that like a bunch 368 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 2: of the modern trade unions cut out a couple of 369 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:19,160 Speaker 2: versus of Solidarity Forever because they were too radical. 370 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 1: They mutilated a fucking baby. Exact, Chaplin is rolling in 371 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:26,639 Speaker 1: his fucking grave. 372 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:30,120 Speaker 2: That's a canaan. They stole the song and then they 373 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 2: were like, oh my god, hold on this, like might 374 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:35,199 Speaker 2: teach workers that they don't have anything in common with 375 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 2: their bosses, Like we have to stop. We can't. 376 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 6: There's seven verses altogether, count them seven except no something. 377 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:46,360 Speaker 7: Yeah, and and most most unions sing like five oh 378 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 7: if that yeah. And you know, in the same way 379 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:55,720 Speaker 7: that you can get the original, uncut version of Solidarity Forever, 380 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 7: you too can get the organizer training that these other 381 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:00,040 Speaker 7: people are getting bad. 382 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 3: Versions of Yeah. 383 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 1: Fun story. So this is unrelated to the IWW, but 384 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:10,679 Speaker 1: also related. A few weeks ago, I was part of 385 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 1: the anti Zionist Jewish contingent at the Queer Liberation March 386 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 1: in New York City, and of course I got on 387 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 1: the megaphone and led everyone in singing Solidarity Forever. 388 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:28,920 Speaker 2: Hell yeah, hell yeah. It's a good time. 389 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:31,920 Speaker 3: I hear there's a new little Red songbook in the works. 390 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 6: I don't know how far along the Committee committee is, 391 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 6: but this has been a mammoth project. I could only 392 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 6: imagine right producing a new Little Red songbook. 393 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 2: By the way, I want to point this out to 394 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 2: speaking of other people taking stuff, the IWW had Little 395 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:53,440 Speaker 2: Red Books before the Maoist did. Like I can't I 396 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 2: can't say for certain the Maxine Dunk took that chip 397 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 2: from us, but like that stuff is from way fucking 398 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 2: for Maoism existed, Like this is not affiliated those motherfuckers. 399 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 1: I mean Mao was an anarchist before he became a Marxist. Yeah, 400 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 1: because the Chinese anarchist movement one hundred years ago was 401 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:22,199 Speaker 1: way stronger than the Marxist movement. Like half the original 402 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:26,920 Speaker 1: communist parties in the world were founded by former anarchists. 403 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, and this this has gone poorly for them. Checks 404 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 2: notes filtering back to the twenty twenties, from the nineteen twenties, 405 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 2: where can people find where tours are happening? And yeah 406 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 2: and get more involved? 407 00:22:54,600 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 5: Yeah, we have a website. It's Industrial Worker that card co. 408 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 5: There's two rs in card. I don't know if we 409 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:05,920 Speaker 5: can link that like in the description of the podcast. 410 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 2: Oh yeah we can, We'll make a description, Okay. 411 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:09,920 Speaker 5: Cool, So yeah, that website will have all of the 412 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 5: tour locations. Right now, there's eight locations. There might be 413 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 5: one or two more being added in the near future, 414 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 5: but as of right now, it's like Portland, Sacramento, Denver, Seattle, Chicago, 415 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:26,399 Speaker 5: Green Mountain, which is brillianton for FOT, New York City, 416 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 5: and Epsilent C Michigan, who are all having locations on 417 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,160 Speaker 5: this tour, and that website will have all the tales 418 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:34,400 Speaker 5: like when, where, etc. 419 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:36,120 Speaker 2: Hell yeah, I'm excited. 420 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 1: I also wanted to shout out specifically. First off, I'm 421 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:45,879 Speaker 1: the proud chairwoman of the Orientation Committee of NYCIWW, actually 422 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:49,359 Speaker 1: former Branch Secretary treasurer of Northern New Jersey before we 423 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:53,680 Speaker 1: merged with New York. But NYCIWW is having our Fire 424 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 1: Your Boss Tour stop at Woodbine in Manhattan on August 425 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:04,400 Speaker 1: twenty six, starting at noon. Free lunch will be provided. 426 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:08,200 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so if you're in the NYC area, please 427 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 1: stop by and get to meet the sexy trans woman 428 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:13,640 Speaker 1: with the Transatlantic accent. 429 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 6: I visited Woodbine and women was still in Ridgewood, Queens. 430 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:20,640 Speaker 6: I'm very much looking forward to checking out their new 431 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 6: location and joining you all. 432 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 1: They still have that Queen's location. I think they've just 433 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 1: expanded into Manhattan. 434 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 3: Right, it's been ages now. 435 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 6: But anyway, if you're in northern New England, you could 436 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 6: join us at the Public Library in Burlington, Vermont on Sunday, 437 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 6: August sixteenth. That is Bennington Battle Day, a state holiday 438 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:43,679 Speaker 6: unique to the state of Vermont. 439 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 2: Do you have anything else that you want to tell 440 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:51,680 Speaker 2: everyone before we head out? 441 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 1: I would say that I think what the IWW does 442 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:01,439 Speaker 1: very uniquely that I haven't really seen any other union do, 443 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 1: is that, in my opinion, at our best we go 444 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:11,199 Speaker 1: contract lists shout out to Stardust Workers United. They're an 445 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:17,120 Speaker 1: NYCIWW shop. Who are the singing waiters and other staff 446 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 1: at Ellen's Stardust Diner. And of course I'm a fan 447 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,879 Speaker 1: since I'm an actress and singer myself, and of course 448 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 1: fellow worker. But they don't have a contract. What they 449 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:32,919 Speaker 1: do is they use direct action in various tactics to 450 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 1: exert their power and negotiate with the boss's issue by issue. 451 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:40,920 Speaker 1: They don't use state power to enforce it at all. 452 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 1: There's been no election, there's no contract signed. 453 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,120 Speaker 2: All they did is get a. 454 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 1: Bunch of their fellow workers to join the IWW and 455 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 1: exist as a bargaining unit and exert power that way. 456 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:58,200 Speaker 1: And I think that's very powerful because we aren't relying 457 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:04,160 Speaker 1: upon the state to enforce our will. We're doing it ourselves. 458 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 1: And that's such a powerful thing when so many people 459 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:12,120 Speaker 1: just are streaming why won't someone save us? 460 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,920 Speaker 2: You know, everyone's like, why won't someone do something? Why 461 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 2: won't someone do something? Wow, someone do something. 462 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:24,440 Speaker 1: And I'm just like, you can do it yourselves. You 463 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 1: can make your own conditions better by you and your 464 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:33,639 Speaker 1: coworkers alone. And I think that's so special about the 465 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:38,880 Speaker 1: IWW is that that truly is a revolutionary break from 466 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:39,359 Speaker 1: the state. 467 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:43,160 Speaker 5: The thing that I would want to end this conversation 468 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 5: with is I feel like the labor movement in the 469 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:47,960 Speaker 5: United States has been trying the same thing over and 470 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,720 Speaker 5: over again for decades, like ever since the National Labor 471 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 5: Relationship was passed, Like we're even trying this contract model, 472 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 5: like this like service model that we've been talking about, 473 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:02,199 Speaker 5: and it's kind of why the labor movement is as 474 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 5: weak as it is today, and like the current administration 475 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:09,479 Speaker 5: is going after like these protections that we had, and 476 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:11,120 Speaker 5: it kind of just goes to show how we can't 477 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,880 Speaker 5: rely on these like pennies that the state throws us, 478 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 5: like these protections, they're not really real, Like, so we 479 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,960 Speaker 5: need to build our own power. We need to be 480 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,919 Speaker 5: reliant on ourselves. And there's one quote that I have 481 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:27,359 Speaker 5: really loved. I don't know who said it, but it says, 482 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 5: today's labor movement, which involves the absolute majority of the 483 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:35,159 Speaker 5: global population, along with its allies and marginalized groups and minorities, 484 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:40,720 Speaker 5: must mount an offensive reviving strategies and energetic dedication to 485 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,480 Speaker 5: radical methods. And that's what we're trying to do with 486 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 5: the firebuss stores, Like return to these radical methods that 487 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 5: worked so well, like historically, we need to try something new. 488 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 6: So yeah, and something very very new and very very old. 489 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 3: At the same time. 490 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 1: There are some story that put the estimates of members 491 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:05,400 Speaker 1: of the IWW it's kind of hard to track due 492 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,640 Speaker 1: to a lot of the members were migrant workers. Put 493 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 1: it at possibly over a million in the nineteen tens. 494 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:19,360 Speaker 1: And you know, in my opinion, it's a good start. 495 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, let's get there. 496 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 1: I mean, the AFLCIO is like three four or five million, 497 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:30,239 Speaker 1: you know, I'm hoping the Fire your Boss tour is 498 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:35,200 Speaker 1: the is the start of you know, great amazing things 499 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 1: for our union, because hell knows, millions of people, if 500 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 1: not billions, could benefit from us. 501 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, every worker and organizer. I hope that's a step 502 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:46,120 Speaker 3: we're taking right. 503 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 6: I hope everyone that joins us on this tour is 504 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:52,240 Speaker 6: to feel more like an organizer, feel more like the leader, 505 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 6: and really understand what's going on in their workplace and 506 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,480 Speaker 6: all around the world, because that's what we need as 507 00:28:58,520 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 6: we go forward. 508 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's a good note to end on, and 509 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 2: thank you. Thank all of you for coming on the 510 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:04,960 Speaker 2: show and talking. 511 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 5: Thank you so much. 512 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you for having us. 513 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 2: Happy too, And hopefully we all get to see each 514 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,440 Speaker 2: other like on the front lines of the class war 515 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 2: someday soon. And when I say you, I mean everyone 516 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 2: you the listeners too, allardy. 517 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:24,480 Speaker 1: Thank you lovely listeners. 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