WEBVTT - #767 Packers Unscripted: Draft week 0:00:06.680 --> 0:00:10.319 Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from 0:00:10.320 --> 0:00:13.840 Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spoffor, joined as always 0:00:13.840 --> 0:00:17.200 by my trusted colleague Weston Hodkowitz. We're coming to you 0:00:17.360 --> 0:00:20.720 hear from our studios at lambeau Field and Wes. It 0:00:20.840 --> 0:00:24.400 is Tuesday. Draft Day is Thursday, a little more than 0:00:24.640 --> 0:00:29.000 forty eight hours away. The Chicago Calebs will be on 0:00:29.080 --> 0:00:33.920 the clock to select their new quarterback. Lots to get 0:00:33.920 --> 0:00:37.160 to today and kind of our draft preview, we're gonna talk. 0:00:37.400 --> 0:00:40.320 I'm gonna throw some questions at you, talk some different scenarios. 0:00:40.680 --> 0:00:42.600 But a couple things I want to touch on first. 0:00:42.680 --> 0:00:46.960 One is that one of our topics on the last 0:00:47.000 --> 0:00:52.400 show was how Brian Gudakuntz makes various offseason moves and 0:00:52.520 --> 0:00:55.400 signings so that he doesn't box himself into a corner 0:00:55.960 --> 0:01:00.200 in terms of glaring needs in the draft. And not 0:01:00.320 --> 0:01:03.680 long after we turned the cameras off last Thursday, an 0:01:03.720 --> 0:01:07.200 offensive tackle named Andre Dillard signed on the dotted line 0:01:07.400 --> 0:01:10.880 for the Packers, a former first round pick Packers are 0:01:10.920 --> 0:01:13.360 gonna give. This will be his third NFL team. He's 0:01:13.400 --> 0:01:15.360 with The Eagles. Then started a bunch of games with 0:01:15.400 --> 0:01:18.560 the Titans last year. Now he's in Green Bay with 0:01:18.760 --> 0:01:20.760 another shot in a sense to kind of try to 0:01:20.800 --> 0:01:24.959 revive his career a little bit. No guarantees that a 0:01:25.040 --> 0:01:27.640 player like this is going to make the roster, but 0:01:28.080 --> 0:01:31.479 just another example of how Brian Gudakouts goes about things 0:01:31.520 --> 0:01:35.080 in the offseason to build the most well rounded depth 0:01:35.120 --> 0:01:37.520 that he can so that he's not forced into doing 0:01:37.560 --> 0:01:39.679 anything during the three days of the draft. 0:01:39.800 --> 0:01:42.200 A win win for both sides. Now, I don't know 0:01:42.240 --> 0:01:44.560 the parameters of the contract, but to bring you up 0:01:44.560 --> 0:01:47.200 to speed a little bit on Dillard, he was a 0:01:47.240 --> 0:01:50.520 former first round pick with the Philadelphia Eagles. They loved 0:01:50.520 --> 0:01:53.120 his athleticism, that's the way Philadelphia likes to build out 0:01:53.120 --> 0:01:55.280 their line. Well, as it turned out, he had some 0:01:55.360 --> 0:01:57.640 injury things, they had some other stuff happen on the 0:01:57.640 --> 0:02:00.720 offensive line that he never really got a shot in Philly. 0:02:00.840 --> 0:02:03.400 So what that led to was Tennessee really rolling the 0:02:03.440 --> 0:02:05.600 dice last year on him as an unrestricted free agent 0:02:05.640 --> 0:02:08.320 game of three or twenty three million dollar contract, and 0:02:08.360 --> 0:02:10.920 it didn't go very well for him last season. But 0:02:11.040 --> 0:02:13.840 I think when you look at where he's at his career, 0:02:14.200 --> 0:02:16.680 I don't really know if he's ever had the chance 0:02:16.760 --> 0:02:19.040 yet to be the player that everybody thought he could 0:02:19.040 --> 0:02:21.280 be coming out of Washington State in twenty nineteen. And 0:02:21.320 --> 0:02:23.400 the reason I say that is you look at the 0:02:23.440 --> 0:02:27.079 way Green Bay builds offensive lineman. Yes, athleticism definitely matters. 0:02:27.120 --> 0:02:28.519 Look at what happened a couple of years ago with 0:02:28.560 --> 0:02:30.680 Sean Ryan and Zach Tom those guys shot through the 0:02:30.800 --> 0:02:36.440 roof testing wise at the NFL Scouting Combine. Dillard had 0:02:36.480 --> 0:02:39.280 an incredible run at the combine in twenty nineteen. It's 0:02:39.320 --> 0:02:41.960 what made him a first round pick. The Packers have 0:02:42.040 --> 0:02:45.680 done so well developing the raw attributes of players, and 0:02:45.720 --> 0:02:48.480 when you have somebody that was as talented as Dillard, 0:02:48.840 --> 0:02:50.680 I want to see him get a shot in green Bay. 0:02:50.919 --> 0:02:53.360 So from Green Bay's perspective, they needed to add another 0:02:53.400 --> 0:02:56.280 body to that room. They lost three so far this offseason, 0:02:56.320 --> 0:02:59.120 guys that played mini snaps for them over the last 0:02:59.120 --> 0:03:01.920 five years. So they had to make a response. They 0:03:01.960 --> 0:03:04.520 had to have an answer for Dillard. This is an 0:03:04.520 --> 0:03:06.640 opportunity to compete at a position that's going to be 0:03:06.639 --> 0:03:07.640 completely wide open. 0:03:07.720 --> 0:03:11.400 Yeah, absolutely, it's a It's a tremendous opportunity for a 0:03:11.400 --> 0:03:13.600 guy like Dillard to get a to get a reset 0:03:13.680 --> 0:03:16.600 on a fresh start, and we'll see what happens there. 0:03:16.800 --> 0:03:20.080 One other thing to ask you about quickly before I 0:03:20.160 --> 0:03:22.760 start tossing some questions at you. We heard from general 0:03:22.800 --> 0:03:25.840 manager Brian Gouda Kunstan Monday. He spoke with the media 0:03:26.240 --> 0:03:32.560 the annual pre draft news conference. Just your initial thoughts, reactions, 0:03:32.600 --> 0:03:36.480 anything that you heard in that roughly thirty five minutes 0:03:36.560 --> 0:03:38.640 that he was answering questions that stood out to. 0:03:38.600 --> 0:03:42.000 You thirty four or four on my recorder. Michael, okay, but. 0:03:42.200 --> 0:03:43.520 But maybe it's in change. 0:03:43.520 --> 0:03:46.360 Maybe you started earlier than I did. But no, I 0:03:46.400 --> 0:03:50.680 actually thought it was a very enlightening overall press conference. 0:03:50.720 --> 0:03:52.280 I thought he touched on a lot of things. Again, 0:03:52.320 --> 0:03:53.560 he's not going to sit there and give you the 0:03:53.640 --> 0:03:55.560 draft board and what they're thinking going into. 0:03:55.400 --> 0:03:58.120 The Yeah, it's not a PowerPoint presidentation to the media. 0:03:58.280 --> 0:04:00.920 Here's our here's our draft boards. You know exactly what 0:04:00.920 --> 0:04:01.520 we're gonna do. 0:04:02.080 --> 0:04:04.360 I understand why you can't even do that afterwards, because 0:04:04.360 --> 0:04:05.839 there's certain things you don't want to give away. 0:04:05.880 --> 0:04:06.800 But man, that'd be fun. 0:04:06.920 --> 0:04:09.600 Like on the week after the draft, you're like, okay, 0:04:09.600 --> 0:04:11.360 so that's what we're doing. By the way, I'll answer 0:04:11.360 --> 0:04:13.360 this question, but did you see what the Arizona Cardinals 0:04:13.360 --> 0:04:15.120 did that they put out the video they put out 0:04:15.280 --> 0:04:18.560 I think last night no fascinating video with their GM 0:04:18.839 --> 0:04:21.599 which they filmed him the entire time while he was 0:04:21.680 --> 0:04:24.680 negotiating the trade at number three and then when they 0:04:24.680 --> 0:04:28.839 were trying to move back up. It was almost like a. 0:04:28.440 --> 0:04:30.720 You're talking this is last year, last year, last year's. 0:04:30.720 --> 0:04:32.720 It's like a higher stakes version of what Brian did 0:04:32.720 --> 0:04:34.440 in eighteen where he moved back and then he had 0:04:34.440 --> 0:04:36.800 to go back up to get Giara get Jiri. Yeah, 0:04:36.839 --> 0:04:38.960 but it was really interesting. I mean, the guy's working 0:04:38.960 --> 0:04:40.880 the phones, he's talking to multiple teams. If you have 0:04:40.960 --> 0:04:42.840 a chance, check it out. The Cardinals, I believe, put 0:04:42.839 --> 0:04:45.359 it out on their Instagram and on their Twitter page. 0:04:45.440 --> 0:04:47.960 It's a fascinating look into just how hectic that is 0:04:48.240 --> 0:04:51.320 while the clock is ticking on their pick. But that 0:04:51.440 --> 0:04:54.600 being said, from Brian being able to discuss with us 0:04:54.800 --> 0:04:58.320 sort of his insight, you always gain more about what's 0:04:58.320 --> 0:05:00.240 happened in the past than what's going to happen in 0:05:00.279 --> 0:05:03.320 this draft. And I thought he did an excellent job 0:05:03.360 --> 0:05:05.880 at one explaining the success that Green Bay's had the 0:05:05.920 --> 0:05:08.159 last three years with these drafts. How a lot of 0:05:08.160 --> 0:05:10.200 these draft picks they've had has tied into that they've 0:05:10.200 --> 0:05:12.320 picked twenty four times the last two years. They're going 0:05:12.360 --> 0:05:14.719 to pick eleven more times as it stands right now 0:05:14.720 --> 0:05:18.160 going into Thursday, Friday and Saturday. Brian did say he'd 0:05:18.200 --> 0:05:19.920 be happy to add more picks to that though, if 0:05:19.960 --> 0:05:22.720 that's how it would work out. But the other thing 0:05:22.760 --> 0:05:25.080 I thought was cool was like him explaining his rational 0:05:25.160 --> 0:05:27.159 in the second round, because about a week ago, Mike, 0:05:27.200 --> 0:05:28.680 I brought this to you while I was working on 0:05:28.760 --> 0:05:32.080 Insider Inbox. The Packers traded back from forty five to 0:05:32.120 --> 0:05:34.000 fifty and by doing that last. 0:05:34.000 --> 0:05:37.000 It was two trades, two trades to go back five 0:05:37.040 --> 0:05:38.960 spots in the second round last year. 0:05:38.800 --> 0:05:42.239 They gained the fifth round pick that eventually became Dantavian Wicks, 0:05:42.279 --> 0:05:44.360 and they gained the sixth round pick that eventually became 0:05:44.400 --> 0:05:47.600 Carl Brooks, and by doing that they got Jaden Reid. 0:05:48.080 --> 0:05:51.080 What was the most illuminating to me, because this reminds you, 0:05:51.120 --> 0:05:53.159 and it's something you were touching on with Gudacuns too. 0:05:53.520 --> 0:05:56.039 What the Packers draft board looks like is not what 0:05:56.560 --> 0:05:57.919 ESPN dot COM's. 0:05:57.640 --> 0:05:58.520 Draft board looks like. 0:05:58.760 --> 0:06:01.000 Right. He mentioned that, Yeah, we took a risk that 0:06:01.040 --> 0:06:03.560 we might not get Jaden Reid. There's going to be 0:06:03.640 --> 0:06:05.880 five players you're not gonna get that you probably had 0:06:05.880 --> 0:06:08.880 on your board at that point in the race. But 0:06:08.960 --> 0:06:11.640 they like Tucker Craft. They didn't have Tucker Craft rated 0:06:11.640 --> 0:06:16.839 that differently from Luke Musgrave. So if Jaden Reid isn't there, 0:06:17.400 --> 0:06:20.520 they would have been filling fine with taking Tucker Craft 0:06:20.520 --> 0:06:22.599 where they did. Instead, he ends up being there in 0:06:22.600 --> 0:06:25.120 the third round. Yeah, and the rest is history. That's 0:06:25.120 --> 0:06:27.360 the type of stuff that happens every single year. It's 0:06:27.480 --> 0:06:30.680 very rarely discussed, but you know, especially as you get 0:06:30.680 --> 0:06:33.680 farther into this draft, there's gonna be guys that certain 0:06:33.720 --> 0:06:35.800 teams have at ranked one hundred and there's gonna be 0:06:35.839 --> 0:06:36.400 guys that are. 0:06:36.279 --> 0:06:37.400 At two hundred for them. 0:06:37.520 --> 0:06:39.600 Yeah, it all depends on the way things scout. I 0:06:39.680 --> 0:06:41.680 just felt like for the thirty minutes that Brian talked, 0:06:41.680 --> 0:06:43.800 we gain a lot of clarity into what his process 0:06:43.880 --> 0:06:46.800 is like and obviously these big decisions that are gonna 0:06:46.800 --> 0:06:47.200 be made in a. 0:06:47.160 --> 0:06:47.640 Couple of days. 0:06:47.720 --> 0:06:49.720 Yeah, that's one thing I've learned over the years, and 0:06:50.440 --> 0:06:53.400 it's hard for me to understand sometimes exactly what a 0:06:53.480 --> 0:06:57.200 draft board looks like when somebody trades back, saying Brian's 0:06:57.240 --> 0:07:00.159 first draft when he traded back a whole bunch of spot, 0:07:00.240 --> 0:07:01.960 but then, of course his plan all along was to 0:07:02.040 --> 0:07:05.680 move back up to take Jay r Alexander. But I've 0:07:05.760 --> 0:07:08.960 learned that when somebody just trades back a few spots, 0:07:09.000 --> 0:07:11.240 you know, whether it's three or five, maybe even six 0:07:11.320 --> 0:07:15.000 or seven spots, it's because they have a handful of 0:07:15.040 --> 0:07:19.240 guys rated almost equally on their board and they would 0:07:19.240 --> 0:07:22.720 be happy taking any of them. So rather than just 0:07:22.840 --> 0:07:25.840 you know, roll the dice and pick one guy because 0:07:25.880 --> 0:07:28.400 a certain number gets rolled, they're like, hey, if we 0:07:28.440 --> 0:07:31.920 can pick up an extra pick later in the draft, 0:07:32.240 --> 0:07:34.560 move back and we know that one of these guys 0:07:34.600 --> 0:07:37.640 that we have rated equally is still going to be there. 0:07:38.040 --> 0:07:40.960 You know, boom there it is. Now the follow up 0:07:41.000 --> 0:07:43.000 question that of course Brian's not going to answer to 0:07:43.080 --> 0:07:46.440 your scenario last year, is okay, so you had Jaden Reed, 0:07:46.520 --> 0:07:49.280 you had Tucker Craft. Was there anybody else that was 0:07:49.320 --> 0:07:51.280 sort of on that same line that you would have 0:07:51.320 --> 0:07:54.480 been comfortable taking after you traded back a couple times. 0:07:54.680 --> 0:07:57.320 But that's kind of how this thing. That's kind of 0:07:57.320 --> 0:08:00.800 how this thing works. And you're exactly right as much 0:08:00.840 --> 0:08:04.240 as whether you're watching NFL Network or watching ESPN, and 0:08:04.280 --> 0:08:06.800 you've got you know, mel Kiper's best available, and you've 0:08:06.840 --> 0:08:09.920 got you know, whoever does it now? Daniel Jeremiah, I 0:08:10.000 --> 0:08:12.080 guess is one of the main guys on the NFL network. 0:08:12.360 --> 0:08:16.640 Daniel Jeremiah is best available. That's not what There are 0:08:16.680 --> 0:08:18.559 thirty two teams in this league, and there are thirty 0:08:18.560 --> 0:08:21.520 two different draft boards. They've all done their own evaluations, 0:08:21.560 --> 0:08:24.640 they have their own opinions, they have their own roster needs, 0:08:24.680 --> 0:08:29.440 and teams work need into the equation of their evaluation 0:08:29.560 --> 0:08:33.120 at different levels. You know, some some you know weight 0:08:33.240 --> 0:08:35.720 that even more. Some don't wait it as much. So 0:08:37.200 --> 0:08:41.360 everybody's board is an individual thing and that's what's so 0:08:41.440 --> 0:08:45.040 fascinating about how this unfolds. So that leads me to 0:08:45.160 --> 0:08:47.120 my first question. I want to ask you since we're 0:08:47.120 --> 0:08:50.600 talking about trades and and kind of how that works. 0:08:51.760 --> 0:08:52.000 GOODA. 0:08:52.080 --> 0:08:55.600 Kuntz is going into this draft with eleven picks. How 0:08:55.679 --> 0:08:59.440 many picks ultimately over the course of the three days, 0:08:59.440 --> 0:09:01.560 do you think he's going to make how. 0:09:01.440 --> 0:09:03.320 Many picks the packers will make the they will make 0:09:03.360 --> 0:09:05.679 a dozen picks. They will have twelve picks when it's 0:09:05.679 --> 0:09:08.120 all said and done. I don't see Green Bay moving 0:09:08.160 --> 0:09:11.360 down from eleven now. I mean that doesn't say they 0:09:11.360 --> 0:09:14.959 couldn't trade up at some point, but I feel like 0:09:15.040 --> 0:09:16.760 the eleven is going to be locked in and it's 0:09:16.760 --> 0:09:18.080 going to be about how much do they add on 0:09:18.120 --> 0:09:19.880 the back end of it. Because here's the main reason 0:09:19.880 --> 0:09:22.959 for that, the five in the top five. I think 0:09:23.000 --> 0:09:25.440 it was you that pointed out, but somebody mentioned it. 0:09:25.480 --> 0:09:29.319 I think with the press conference, with that, with those 0:09:29.400 --> 0:09:31.560 picks and the value of those picks, you can use 0:09:31.600 --> 0:09:34.600 them to move up, maybe even in the first round, certainly, 0:09:34.920 --> 0:09:39.200 But by doing that then you're then for going a 0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:42.720 pick that Brian Gudukunz himself said is very difficult to obtain. 0:09:43.120 --> 0:09:45.880 Teams don't want to give up top one hundred picks. 0:09:45.920 --> 0:09:48.000 They just don't. It's too good of a lottery ticket. 0:09:48.520 --> 0:09:50.079 You don't know what kind of player you're going to 0:09:50.120 --> 0:09:51.680 get out of that. And as I've talked about add 0:09:51.760 --> 0:09:55.760 nauseum now an inbox, it's those picks in the second, third, fourth, 0:09:55.760 --> 0:09:59.800 and sometimes fifth round that end up building championship teams 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:01.960 because you're only going to get that one first rounder. 0:10:02.120 --> 0:10:04.080 You're gonna get a couple extra swings after that. 0:10:04.120 --> 0:10:05.400 Can you make them count? 0:10:05.720 --> 0:10:08.560 I think the Packers take twelve players. I feel like 0:10:08.679 --> 0:10:11.240 one thing that has definitely changed in the Goudakuns era 0:10:11.280 --> 0:10:13.920 from the Ted Thompson era is ted. For a time 0:10:13.960 --> 0:10:16.560 there was just kind of giving away those seventh rounders. 0:10:16.840 --> 0:10:19.000 Not giving away, but he was just throwing him into trades. 0:10:19.040 --> 0:10:20.439 I remember he did a couple with the New England 0:10:20.440 --> 0:10:23.080 Patriots just like, okay, take a seventh rounder. Everybody gets 0:10:23.080 --> 0:10:25.800 a seventh rounder. And I think part of that was 0:10:25.800 --> 0:10:28.040 he wanted to get started on undrafted free agency. He 0:10:28.080 --> 0:10:31.000 wanted to get the college thing figured out. But Brian 0:10:31.080 --> 0:10:35.240 has taken an opposite approach. He likes taking those seventh 0:10:35.280 --> 0:10:37.400 round picks. He likes building those up. Last year they 0:10:37.400 --> 0:10:41.320 took what three or four. That's a valuable commodity too. 0:10:41.480 --> 0:10:43.080 And I don't think necessarily youre going to see as 0:10:43.080 --> 0:10:44.520 many of those throw in trades as you did in 0:10:44.559 --> 0:10:44.920 the past. 0:10:45.040 --> 0:10:47.000 I think, and I wonder, and this would be maybe 0:10:47.000 --> 0:10:50.480 a question to ask Brian at some point. I wonder 0:10:50.520 --> 0:10:53.720 if just if the whole the college free agency thing 0:10:54.120 --> 0:10:57.800 has just gotten that much more competitive maybe in recent years, 0:10:57.800 --> 0:11:00.640 to where those seventh round picks are a little bit 0:11:00.679 --> 0:11:03.440 more valuable because you can you can get a guy 0:11:03.480 --> 0:11:06.760 that maybe you were planning to sign as an undrafted rookie, 0:11:06.920 --> 0:11:08.920 but now you don't have to compete with anybody for him. 0:11:09.040 --> 0:11:10.720 It's like you just use that seventh round pick to 0:11:10.720 --> 0:11:13.760 get him, So teams aren't necessarily as willing to just 0:11:13.800 --> 0:11:16.720 to toss those around. I will keep I I just 0:11:16.760 --> 0:11:17.760 wonder that speculation. 0:11:17.880 --> 0:11:20.120 I'll keep using the Anthony Johnson Junior topic. 0:11:20.200 --> 0:11:20.640 Last year. 0:11:20.640 --> 0:11:22.040 I was one of two people, I think it was 0:11:22.080 --> 0:11:23.680 me and Jason Wildey were the only one on his 0:11:23.720 --> 0:11:26.080 conference call last year, and he mentioned because there was 0:11:26.120 --> 0:11:28.640 just so much chaos happening with the guys and picks 0:11:28.640 --> 0:11:29.440 and conference calls. 0:11:29.520 --> 0:11:31.640 Yeah, four seventh round picks yes year. 0:11:31.559 --> 0:11:34.240 For in Johnson Junior said He's like, no, I was 0:11:34.360 --> 0:11:36.840 already I was signed up with somebody already. I would 0:11:36.840 --> 0:11:39.560 already basically agreed to a college free agency deal with 0:11:39.600 --> 0:11:42.680 another team. And then the Green bit Packers came swooping 0:11:42.679 --> 0:11:44.839 and they said we're taking this guy. And then Lo 0:11:45.040 --> 0:11:46.880 and behold, he's a player that ends up playing three 0:11:46.960 --> 0:11:49.920 hundred plus defensive STAPs, has four spots starts, and now 0:11:50.040 --> 0:11:54.400 is actually in that conversation to start alongside Xavier McKinney. 0:11:54.440 --> 0:11:57.920 So those are valuable things to have in your back 0:11:57.920 --> 0:11:59.640 pocket if you need to be able to revisit them. 0:11:59.720 --> 0:12:02.440 Yeah, to answer the question, I actually think the Packers 0:12:02.440 --> 0:12:05.040 are going to end up with eleven picks, but I 0:12:05.080 --> 0:12:08.040 don't think Brian Gudukunz is just gonna sit and pick 0:12:08.080 --> 0:12:11.280 at every spot. I agree with what you said and 0:12:11.440 --> 0:12:14.440 the way Gutakunz does view those second and third round picks, 0:12:14.720 --> 0:12:17.280 but it wasn't that long ago we saw him take 0:12:17.679 --> 0:12:20.439 two second rounders and move up to get Christian Watson. 0:12:20.720 --> 0:12:23.520 He's made moves like that before. I think he's going 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:25.760 to end up with eleven picks, but it's going to 0:12:25.760 --> 0:12:28.440 be a mix and match of a trade up here, 0:12:28.480 --> 0:12:30.800 a trade down there, and he's ultimately going to end 0:12:30.840 --> 0:12:32.880 up with a draft class of eleven. But he's not 0:12:32.920 --> 0:12:34.760 just going to sit and pick at all eleven spots. 0:12:34.880 --> 0:12:37.679 Most fascinating thing about last year's draft, Mike, they traded 0:12:37.760 --> 0:12:39.920 back twice in the second round. You and I we 0:12:39.920 --> 0:12:42.680 were scrambling. They did not trade again the rest of 0:12:42.679 --> 0:12:45.319 that draft y. Once they got to the third round, 0:12:45.360 --> 0:12:46.240 they just picked where they were. 0:12:46.400 --> 0:12:49.920 Then they picked where they were sitting. Yeah, next question 0:12:50.000 --> 0:12:52.760 for you Weston. In the first round, the Packers currently 0:12:52.800 --> 0:12:57.160 own the number twenty five overall pick, trade up, trade down, 0:12:57.400 --> 0:12:59.560 or sit and pick at twenty five? What do you 0:12:59.640 --> 0:13:01.480 think mister Guta Kuntz is gonna do? 0:13:01.640 --> 0:13:03.600 See here's what's funny, because I just got done talking 0:13:03.600 --> 0:13:04.720 about Oh you don't. 0:13:04.760 --> 0:13:06.080 I don't know how much they're gonna trade. 0:13:06.080 --> 0:13:08.240 I don't know where they're I think the one thing 0:13:08.280 --> 0:13:11.880 I've seen with Brian is if there is a guy 0:13:12.320 --> 0:13:15.640 that he likes in the first round, he's gonna go 0:13:15.679 --> 0:13:16.320 get that player. 0:13:16.400 --> 0:13:16.600 Yep. 0:13:16.960 --> 0:13:19.600 So this answer is contingent on whether or not that 0:13:19.640 --> 0:13:22.360 player is available or that player falls. But if you're 0:13:22.400 --> 0:13:27.000 asking me to put down my just play money chips 0:13:27.640 --> 0:13:29.680 on a move here, I would say they actually do 0:13:29.800 --> 0:13:32.480 trade up. I wonder because when I've been doing these 0:13:32.559 --> 0:13:35.000 drop and these mock draft simulators, and who's to say 0:13:35.080 --> 0:13:38.120 who the Packers are really truly interested in? But there 0:13:38.160 --> 0:13:41.160 always ends up being one guy that falls. I just 0:13:41.200 --> 0:13:44.680 did another one just now and Leatu Latu is actually 0:13:44.760 --> 0:13:46.680 the guy that and this for the first time popped 0:13:46.720 --> 0:13:49.440 up is available at twenty five. I feel like that's 0:13:49.559 --> 0:13:51.880 whether it's one of these offensive linemen, whether it is 0:13:51.880 --> 0:13:54.439 a Cooper Dejene, whether it is one of these cornerbacks, 0:13:55.000 --> 0:13:56.560 or whether it is maybe like one of the top 0:13:56.640 --> 0:14:01.160 edge rushers or a Byron Murphy. The second, if somebody 0:14:01.200 --> 0:14:04.280 like that is coming into your orbit, is that where 0:14:04.320 --> 0:14:05.880 you go and make a play. I don't think they 0:14:05.920 --> 0:14:08.000 move up twelve spots to get a player. It's going 0:14:08.040 --> 0:14:10.720 to take way too much equity. Yeah, but I could 0:14:10.760 --> 0:14:13.800 see it trying to leapfrog somebody if there's a player 0:14:14.280 --> 0:14:16.000 available that they cover. 0:14:16.280 --> 0:14:16.559 Yeah. 0:14:16.559 --> 0:14:19.880 For me, I'll just start by saying I have no 0:14:20.000 --> 0:14:22.040 idea what Brian is going to do. 0:14:22.320 --> 0:14:22.960 That's a lie. 0:14:23.240 --> 0:14:27.680 And but I could see I could see any one 0:14:27.800 --> 0:14:31.640 of the three possibilities happening. You know, I think I 0:14:31.640 --> 0:14:34.200 think any of them are on the table. I think 0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:36.760 it's going to depend on what the board looks like, 0:14:36.840 --> 0:14:41.000 how it unfolds. I would say, after the first fifteen 0:14:41.080 --> 0:14:43.440 to sixteen picks, then what does it look like? Because 0:14:43.440 --> 0:14:45.080 I agree with you, if he trades up, I don't 0:14:45.080 --> 0:14:47.640 think it's going to be a massive jump like you 0:14:47.680 --> 0:14:51.000 know of fifteen or sixteen spots or something like that. 0:14:51.320 --> 0:14:53.440 But I could see a jump of you know, seven 0:14:53.560 --> 0:14:55.920 or eight spots for example, something like that. I could 0:14:55.920 --> 0:14:58.480 also see him trading back. I could see him sitting 0:14:58.520 --> 0:15:03.800 and picking. This is this is what I've decided for 0:15:03.840 --> 0:15:07.400 those who want my opinion, this is how I see it. 0:15:07.480 --> 0:15:10.040 If Brian Gudukunz is trading up, I think he's trading 0:15:10.120 --> 0:15:12.480 up for either a corner or a defensive lineman. You're 0:15:12.520 --> 0:15:17.120 talking about dejen Quinion Mitchell from Toledo, or defensive lineman 0:15:17.280 --> 0:15:20.280 like Byron Murphy or like Johnny Newton from Illinois, something 0:15:20.360 --> 0:15:24.480 like that. If he's trading back, I think it's because 0:15:24.800 --> 0:15:26.560 he's got his eye on one of those off the 0:15:26.600 --> 0:15:29.880 ball linebackers like an Edger and Cooper, maybe a Peyton Wilson. 0:15:31.480 --> 0:15:33.480 But he doesn't think he needs to use the twenty 0:15:33.520 --> 0:15:36.200 fifth pick to get that guy. But he can't wait 0:15:36.320 --> 0:15:38.680 until forty one to get him. He feels like if 0:15:38.680 --> 0:15:40.320 he wants that guy, he's gonna have to get him 0:15:40.320 --> 0:15:42.800 somewhere in between there. But he'll trade back and get 0:15:42.840 --> 0:15:45.920 some more draft assets. For later on. If he's gonna 0:15:45.920 --> 0:15:48.640 sit and pick, he's gonna take an offensive lineman because 0:15:48.640 --> 0:15:51.720 I think there are going to be choices at offensive 0:15:51.760 --> 0:15:55.080 line at pick twenty five, because the top of this 0:15:55.200 --> 0:15:58.600 draft appears to be so deep at offensive line, at 0:15:58.720 --> 0:16:00.720 least compared to some other Did you. 0:16:00.680 --> 0:16:03.240 Read what I wrote an inbox about Graham Barton in 0:16:03.320 --> 0:16:04.240 Amarus mem Yeah? 0:16:04.360 --> 0:16:05.160 Yeah, what did you think? 0:16:05.360 --> 0:16:07.400 Okay, I'll let people in on this. I can't do 0:16:07.480 --> 0:16:09.880 things out of topic. I have to actually explain it 0:16:09.920 --> 0:16:12.520 on the show. Basically, the point I make because somebody said, well, 0:16:12.800 --> 0:16:16.280 if you have an elite tackle or an elite prospect 0:16:16.280 --> 0:16:19.560 at interior alignment, how do you view them? Me personally, 0:16:19.640 --> 0:16:22.240 when you take somebody like Barton, who is a college 0:16:22.360 --> 0:16:25.400 left tackle who has been the best offensive lineman for 0:16:25.480 --> 0:16:28.120 Duke for a number of years now, but is projected 0:16:28.120 --> 0:16:31.640 to be inside, I actually view them the same because 0:16:31.640 --> 0:16:33.640 the way I look at it, again, if you're not 0:16:33.680 --> 0:16:36.120 at Alabama, if you're not at Georgia, if you're not 0:16:36.160 --> 0:16:39.880 at one of these power national championship contender programs, I 0:16:39.920 --> 0:16:42.320 want you to be the best offensive lineman on your team. Yeah, 0:16:42.320 --> 0:16:43.720 it doesn't mean you have to play left tackle, but 0:16:43.760 --> 0:16:46.240 I want you to be the best offensive lineman. Barton 0:16:46.400 --> 0:16:50.880 is absolutely that. What I'm curious about is that so 0:16:50.960 --> 0:16:53.880 many times we've heard these We've heard these pre draft 0:16:53.880 --> 0:16:58.000 pundits project a player at a certain position and that 0:16:58.040 --> 0:17:00.760 does not end up being the case. David Baktiyari, a 0:17:00.800 --> 0:17:03.160 five time All Pro left tackle, was supposed to play 0:17:03.200 --> 0:17:05.400 center in the National Football League. He wasn't big enough, 0:17:05.480 --> 0:17:07.600 is what people said, and then there he is. 0:17:07.920 --> 0:17:09.080 Or guard or guard. 0:17:09.440 --> 0:17:12.880 Yeah, but it's those type of moves that I look 0:17:12.920 --> 0:17:15.200 at where when you see Zach tom do what he did, 0:17:15.280 --> 0:17:17.840 or Elton Jenkins do what he did, I just think 0:17:17.880 --> 0:17:19.880 you got to get bodies in there. Now. The thing 0:17:20.040 --> 0:17:22.920 I don't know is when you are six foot eight 0:17:23.119 --> 0:17:24.920 and you are three hundred and forty pounds and you 0:17:25.000 --> 0:17:28.000 run a five forty like Amarius Mims, but you only 0:17:28.040 --> 0:17:31.639 have this limited workload, I don't know how Brian Goodikuin's 0:17:31.720 --> 0:17:32.159 judges that. 0:17:32.280 --> 0:17:33.960 Yeah, that's a that's a big that's kind of the 0:17:34.000 --> 0:17:34.720 big mystery. 0:17:35.000 --> 0:17:36.720 But that's but isn't that what's interesting about this? 0:17:36.760 --> 0:17:38.919 You have a guy like Barton who has this huge 0:17:39.000 --> 0:17:42.000 workload and all this tape in what Duke was able 0:17:42.040 --> 0:17:44.000 to accomplish the last few years a team that has 0:17:44.040 --> 0:17:45.800 not historically had a ton of success. 0:17:46.000 --> 0:17:47.800 R is so credentialed. 0:17:47.880 --> 0:17:50.119 I think people everybody agrees he's going to be a 0:17:50.160 --> 0:17:52.320 starter for years in the NFL. Just where's it going 0:17:52.400 --> 0:17:56.959 to come at? Whereas Mims is this raw, high ceiling 0:17:57.040 --> 0:18:00.520 prospect that you might need some time to develop. 0:18:00.720 --> 0:18:02.200 Yeah, it's a tough pickle. 0:18:02.480 --> 0:18:06.520 Yeah, Mims to Mims to me is a is a 0:18:06.560 --> 0:18:12.560 classic Brian Gudakun's Green Bay Packers offensive lineman pick, because 0:18:12.960 --> 0:18:15.440 because they would they would be like, yes, only eight 0:18:15.480 --> 0:18:17.679