1 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:10,319 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from 2 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 1: Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spoffor, joined as always 3 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: by my trusted colleague Weston Hodkowitz. We're coming to you 4 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 1: hear from our studios at lambeau Field and Wes. It 5 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 1: is Tuesday. Draft Day is Thursday, a little more than 6 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 1: forty eight hours away. The Chicago Calebs will be on 7 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 1: the clock to select their new quarterback. Lots to get 8 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:37,160 Speaker 1: to today and kind of our draft preview, we're gonna talk. 9 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw some questions at you, talk some different scenarios. 10 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 1: But a couple things I want to touch on first. 11 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 1: One is that one of our topics on the last 12 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 1: show was how Brian Gudakuntz makes various offseason moves and 13 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 1: signings so that he doesn't box himself into a corner 14 00:00:55,960 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 1: in terms of glaring needs in the draft. And not 15 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 1: long after we turned the cameras off last Thursday, an 16 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 1: offensive tackle named Andre Dillard signed on the dotted line 17 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: for the Packers, a former first round pick Packers are 18 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 1: gonna give. This will be his third NFL team. He's 19 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 1: with The Eagles. Then started a bunch of games with 20 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 1: the Titans last year. Now he's in Green Bay with 21 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 1: another shot in a sense to kind of try to 22 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 1: revive his career a little bit. No guarantees that a 23 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 1: player like this is going to make the roster, but 24 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:31,479 Speaker 1: just another example of how Brian Gudakouts goes about things 25 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 1: in the offseason to build the most well rounded depth 26 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 1: that he can so that he's not forced into doing 27 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:39,679 Speaker 1: anything during the three days of the draft. 28 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 2: A win win for both sides. Now, I don't know 29 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 2: the parameters of the contract, but to bring you up 30 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 2: to speed a little bit on Dillard, he was a 31 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 2: former first round pick with the Philadelphia Eagles. They loved 32 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 2: his athleticism, that's the way Philadelphia likes to build out 33 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 2: their line. Well, as it turned out, he had some 34 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 2: injury things, they had some other stuff happen on the 35 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 2: offensive line that he never really got a shot in Philly. 36 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 2: So what that led to was Tennessee really rolling the 37 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 2: dice last year on him as an unrestricted free agent 38 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 2: game of three or twenty three million dollar contract, and 39 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:10,920 Speaker 2: it didn't go very well for him last season. But 40 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 2: I think when you look at where he's at his career, 41 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 2: I don't really know if he's ever had the chance 42 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 2: yet to be the player that everybody thought he could 43 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 2: be coming out of Washington State in twenty nineteen. And 44 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 2: the reason I say that is you look at the 45 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:27,079 Speaker 2: way Green Bay builds offensive lineman. Yes, athleticism definitely matters. 46 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:28,519 Speaker 2: Look at what happened a couple of years ago with 47 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 2: Sean Ryan and Zach Tom those guys shot through the 48 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 2: roof testing wise at the NFL Scouting Combine. Dillard had 49 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 2: an incredible run at the combine in twenty nineteen. It's 50 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 2: what made him a first round pick. The Packers have 51 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 2: done so well developing the raw attributes of players, and 52 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 2: when you have somebody that was as talented as Dillard, 53 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 2: I want to see him get a shot in green Bay. 54 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:53,360 Speaker 2: So from Green Bay's perspective, they needed to add another 55 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 2: body to that room. They lost three so far this offseason, 56 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 2: guys that played mini snaps for them over the last 57 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:01,920 Speaker 2: five years. So they had to make a response. They 58 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 2: had to have an answer for Dillard. This is an 59 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:06,640 Speaker 2: opportunity to compete at a position that's going to be 60 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:07,640 Speaker 2: completely wide open. 61 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, it's a It's a tremendous opportunity for a 62 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 1: guy like Dillard to get a to get a reset 63 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 1: on a fresh start, and we'll see what happens there. 64 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:20,080 Speaker 1: One other thing to ask you about quickly before I 65 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: start tossing some questions at you. We heard from general 66 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 1: manager Brian Gouda Kunstan Monday. He spoke with the media 67 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: the annual pre draft news conference. Just your initial thoughts, reactions, 68 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 1: anything that you heard in that roughly thirty five minutes 69 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 1: that he was answering questions that stood out to. 70 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 3: You thirty four or four on my recorder. Michael, okay, but. 71 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 1: But maybe it's in change. 72 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 2: Maybe you started earlier than I did. But no, I 73 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 2: actually thought it was a very enlightening overall press conference. 74 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 2: I thought he touched on a lot of things. Again, 75 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 2: he's not going to sit there and give you the 76 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 2: draft board and what they're thinking going into. 77 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 1: The Yeah, it's not a PowerPoint presidentation to the media. 78 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 1: Here's our here's our draft boards. You know exactly what 79 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 1: we're gonna do. 80 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 2: I understand why you can't even do that afterwards, because 81 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:05,839 Speaker 2: there's certain things you don't want to give away. 82 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 3: But man, that'd be fun. 83 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 2: Like on the week after the draft, you're like, okay, 84 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 2: so that's what we're doing. By the way, I'll answer 85 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 2: this question, but did you see what the Arizona Cardinals 86 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 2: did that they put out the video they put out 87 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 2: I think last night no fascinating video with their GM 88 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:21,599 Speaker 2: which they filmed him the entire time while he was 89 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 2: negotiating the trade at number three and then when they 90 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:28,839 Speaker 2: were trying to move back up. It was almost like a. 91 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:30,720 Speaker 1: You're talking this is last year, last year, last year's. 92 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:32,720 Speaker 2: It's like a higher stakes version of what Brian did 93 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 2: in eighteen where he moved back and then he had 94 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 2: to go back up to get Giara get Jiri. Yeah, 95 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 2: but it was really interesting. I mean, the guy's working 96 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 2: the phones, he's talking to multiple teams. If you have 97 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:42,840 Speaker 2: a chance, check it out. The Cardinals, I believe, put 98 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:45,359 Speaker 2: it out on their Instagram and on their Twitter page. 99 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 2: It's a fascinating look into just how hectic that is 100 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 2: while the clock is ticking on their pick. But that 101 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:54,600 Speaker 2: being said, from Brian being able to discuss with us 102 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 2: sort of his insight, you always gain more about what's 103 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 2: happened in the past than what's going to happen in 104 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 2: this draft. And I thought he did an excellent job 105 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 2: at one explaining the success that Green Bay's had the 106 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:08,159 Speaker 2: last three years with these drafts. How a lot of 107 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 2: these draft picks they've had has tied into that they've 108 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 2: picked twenty four times the last two years. They're going 109 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:14,719 Speaker 2: to pick eleven more times as it stands right now 110 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:18,160 Speaker 2: going into Thursday, Friday and Saturday. Brian did say he'd 111 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 2: be happy to add more picks to that though, if 112 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:22,720 Speaker 2: that's how it would work out. But the other thing 113 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 2: I thought was cool was like him explaining his rational 114 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:27,159 Speaker 2: in the second round, because about a week ago, Mike, 115 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 2: I brought this to you while I was working on 116 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 2: Insider Inbox. The Packers traded back from forty five to 117 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 2: fifty and by doing that last. 118 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 1: It was two trades, two trades to go back five 119 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 1: spots in the second round last year. 120 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:42,239 Speaker 2: They gained the fifth round pick that eventually became Dantavian Wicks, 121 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 2: and they gained the sixth round pick that eventually became 122 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:47,600 Speaker 2: Carl Brooks, and by doing that they got Jaden Reid. 123 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 2: What was the most illuminating to me, because this reminds you, 124 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:53,159 Speaker 2: and it's something you were touching on with Gudacuns too. 125 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:56,039 Speaker 2: What the Packers draft board looks like is not what 126 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:57,919 Speaker 2: ESPN dot COM's. 127 00:05:57,640 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 3: Draft board looks like. 128 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 2: Right. He mentioned that, Yeah, we took a risk that 129 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 2: we might not get Jaden Reid. There's going to be 130 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 2: five players you're not gonna get that you probably had 131 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 2: on your board at that point in the race. But 132 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 2: they like Tucker Craft. They didn't have Tucker Craft rated 133 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:16,839 Speaker 2: that differently from Luke Musgrave. So if Jaden Reid isn't there, 134 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 2: they would have been filling fine with taking Tucker Craft 135 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:22,599 Speaker 2: where they did. Instead, he ends up being there in 136 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 2: the third round. Yeah, and the rest is history. That's 137 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 2: the type of stuff that happens every single year. It's 138 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 2: very rarely discussed, but you know, especially as you get 139 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 2: farther into this draft, there's gonna be guys that certain 140 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 2: teams have at ranked one hundred and there's gonna be 141 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 2: guys that are. 142 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 3: At two hundred for them. 143 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:39,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, it all depends on the way things scout. I 144 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 2: just felt like for the thirty minutes that Brian talked, 145 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 2: we gain a lot of clarity into what his process 146 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 2: is like and obviously these big decisions that are gonna 147 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 2: be made in a. 148 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 3: Couple of days. 149 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:49,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's one thing I've learned over the years, and 150 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 1: it's hard for me to understand sometimes exactly what a 151 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 1: draft board looks like when somebody trades back, saying Brian's 152 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:00,159 Speaker 1: first draft when he traded back a whole bunch of spot, 153 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 1: but then, of course his plan all along was to 154 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 1: move back up to take Jay r Alexander. But I've 155 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 1: learned that when somebody just trades back a few spots, 156 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 1: you know, whether it's three or five, maybe even six 157 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 1: or seven spots, it's because they have a handful of 158 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 1: guys rated almost equally on their board and they would 159 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 1: be happy taking any of them. So rather than just 160 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 1: you know, roll the dice and pick one guy because 161 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 1: a certain number gets rolled, they're like, hey, if we 162 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 1: can pick up an extra pick later in the draft, 163 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 1: move back and we know that one of these guys 164 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 1: that we have rated equally is still going to be there. 165 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 1: You know, boom there it is. Now the follow up 166 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: question that of course Brian's not going to answer to 167 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 1: your scenario last year, is okay, so you had Jaden Reed, 168 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 1: you had Tucker Craft. Was there anybody else that was 169 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 1: sort of on that same line that you would have 170 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 1: been comfortable taking after you traded back a couple times. 171 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 1: But that's kind of how this thing. That's kind of 172 00:07:57,320 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 1: how this thing works. And you're exactly right as much 173 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 1: as whether you're watching NFL Network or watching ESPN, and 174 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 1: you've got you know, mel Kiper's best available, and you've 175 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 1: got you know, whoever does it now? Daniel Jeremiah, I 176 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 1: guess is one of the main guys on the NFL network. 177 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 1: Daniel Jeremiah is best available. That's not what There are 178 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:18,559 Speaker 1: thirty two teams in this league, and there are thirty 179 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 1: two different draft boards. They've all done their own evaluations, 180 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 1: they have their own opinions, they have their own roster needs, 181 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 1: and teams work need into the equation of their evaluation 182 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 1: at different levels. You know, some some you know weight 183 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 1: that even more. Some don't wait it as much. So 184 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 1: everybody's board is an individual thing and that's what's so 185 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 1: fascinating about how this unfolds. So that leads me to 186 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 1: my first question. I want to ask you since we're 187 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 1: talking about trades and and kind of how that works. 188 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 3: GOODA. 189 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 1: Kuntz is going into this draft with eleven picks. How 190 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:59,440 Speaker 1: many picks ultimately over the course of the three days, 191 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:01,560 Speaker 1: do you think he's going to make how. 192 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:03,320 Speaker 2: Many picks the packers will make the they will make 193 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:05,679 Speaker 2: a dozen picks. They will have twelve picks when it's 194 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 2: all said and done. I don't see Green Bay moving 195 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 2: down from eleven now. I mean that doesn't say they 196 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:14,959 Speaker 2: couldn't trade up at some point, but I feel like 197 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 2: the eleven is going to be locked in and it's 198 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 2: going to be about how much do they add on 199 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 2: the back end of it. Because here's the main reason 200 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:22,959 Speaker 2: for that, the five in the top five. I think 201 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 2: it was you that pointed out, but somebody mentioned it. 202 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:29,319 Speaker 2: I think with the press conference, with that, with those 203 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 2: picks and the value of those picks, you can use 204 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 2: them to move up, maybe even in the first round, certainly, 205 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:39,200 Speaker 2: But by doing that then you're then for going a 206 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 2: pick that Brian Gudukunz himself said is very difficult to obtain. 207 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 2: Teams don't want to give up top one hundred picks. 208 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 2: They just don't. It's too good of a lottery ticket. 209 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:50,079 Speaker 2: You don't know what kind of player you're going to 210 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:51,680 Speaker 2: get out of that. And as I've talked about add 211 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 2: nauseum now an inbox, it's those picks in the second, third, fourth, 212 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 2: and sometimes fifth round that end up building championship teams 213 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 2: because you're only going to get that one first rounder. 214 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 2: You're gonna get a couple extra swings after that. 215 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 3: Can you make them count? 216 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 2: I think the Packers take twelve players. I feel like 217 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 2: one thing that has definitely changed in the Goudakuns era 218 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 2: from the Ted Thompson era is ted. For a time 219 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:16,560 Speaker 2: there was just kind of giving away those seventh rounders. 220 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 2: Not giving away, but he was just throwing him into trades. 221 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:20,439 Speaker 2: I remember he did a couple with the New England 222 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 2: Patriots just like, okay, take a seventh rounder. Everybody gets 223 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 2: a seventh rounder. And I think part of that was 224 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 2: he wanted to get started on undrafted free agency. He 225 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 2: wanted to get the college thing figured out. But Brian 226 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 2: has taken an opposite approach. He likes taking those seventh 227 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 2: round picks. He likes building those up. Last year they 228 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:41,320 Speaker 2: took what three or four. That's a valuable commodity too. 229 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:43,080 Speaker 2: And I don't think necessarily youre going to see as 230 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 2: many of those throw in trades as you did in 231 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 2: the past. 232 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 1: I think, and I wonder, and this would be maybe 233 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 1: a question to ask Brian at some point. I wonder 234 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 1: if just if the whole the college free agency thing 235 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 1: has just gotten that much more competitive maybe in recent years, 236 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 1: to where those seventh round picks are a little bit 237 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 1: more valuable because you can you can get a guy 238 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 1: that maybe you were planning to sign as an undrafted rookie, 239 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 1: but now you don't have to compete with anybody for him. 240 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 1: It's like you just use that seventh round pick to 241 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: get him, So teams aren't necessarily as willing to just 242 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 1: to toss those around. I will keep I I just 243 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 1: wonder that speculation. 244 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 2: I'll keep using the Anthony Johnson Junior topic. 245 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 3: Last year. 246 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 2: I was one of two people, I think it was 247 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:23,680 Speaker 2: me and Jason Wildey were the only one on his 248 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 2: conference call last year, and he mentioned because there was 249 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 2: just so much chaos happening with the guys and picks 250 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 2: and conference calls. 251 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, four seventh round picks yes year. 252 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 2: For in Johnson Junior said He's like, no, I was 253 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 2: already I was signed up with somebody already. I would 254 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:39,560 Speaker 2: already basically agreed to a college free agency deal with 255 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:42,680 Speaker 2: another team. And then the Green bit Packers came swooping 256 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:44,839 Speaker 2: and they said we're taking this guy. And then Lo 257 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 2: and behold, he's a player that ends up playing three 258 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 2: hundred plus defensive STAPs, has four spots starts, and now 259 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 2: is actually in that conversation to start alongside Xavier McKinney. 260 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 2: So those are valuable things to have in your back 261 00:11:57,920 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 2: pocket if you need to be able to revisit them. 262 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, to answer the question, I actually think the Packers 263 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: are going to end up with eleven picks, but I 264 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 1: don't think Brian Gudukunz is just gonna sit and pick 265 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 1: at every spot. I agree with what you said and 266 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:14,440 Speaker 1: the way Gutakunz does view those second and third round picks, 267 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 1: but it wasn't that long ago we saw him take 268 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:20,439 Speaker 1: two second rounders and move up to get Christian Watson. 269 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 1: He's made moves like that before. I think he's going 270 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 1: to end up with eleven picks, but it's going to 271 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:28,440 Speaker 1: be a mix and match of a trade up here, 272 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 1: a trade down there, and he's ultimately going to end 273 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 1: up with a draft class of eleven. But he's not 274 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 1: just going to sit and pick at all eleven spots. 275 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:37,679 Speaker 2: Most fascinating thing about last year's draft, Mike, they traded 276 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 2: back twice in the second round. You and I we 277 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:42,680 Speaker 2: were scrambling. They did not trade again the rest of 278 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:45,319 Speaker 2: that draft y. Once they got to the third round, 279 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 2: they just picked where they were. 280 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 1: Then they picked where they were sitting. Yeah, next question 281 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 1: for you Weston. In the first round, the Packers currently 282 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 1: own the number twenty five overall pick, trade up, trade down, 283 00:12:57,400 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 1: or sit and pick at twenty five? What do you 284 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 1: think mister Guta Kuntz is gonna do? 285 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 2: See here's what's funny, because I just got done talking 286 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 2: about Oh you don't. 287 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:06,080 Speaker 3: I don't know how much they're gonna trade. 288 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 2: I don't know where they're I think the one thing 289 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 2: I've seen with Brian is if there is a guy 290 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 2: that he likes in the first round, he's gonna go 291 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 2: get that player. 292 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 3: Yep. 293 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 2: So this answer is contingent on whether or not that 294 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 2: player is available or that player falls. But if you're 295 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 2: asking me to put down my just play money chips 296 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:29,680 Speaker 2: on a move here, I would say they actually do 297 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 2: trade up. I wonder because when I've been doing these 298 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 2: drop and these mock draft simulators, and who's to say 299 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 2: who the Packers are really truly interested in? But there 300 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 2: always ends up being one guy that falls. I just 301 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:44,680 Speaker 2: did another one just now and Leatu Latu is actually 302 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:46,680 Speaker 2: the guy that and this for the first time popped 303 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:49,440 Speaker 2: up is available at twenty five. I feel like that's 304 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 2: whether it's one of these offensive linemen, whether it is 305 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:54,439 Speaker 2: a Cooper Dejene, whether it is one of these cornerbacks, 306 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:56,560 Speaker 2: or whether it is maybe like one of the top 307 00:13:56,640 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 2: edge rushers or a Byron Murphy. The second, if somebody 308 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 2: like that is coming into your orbit, is that where 309 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 2: you go and make a play. I don't think they 310 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 2: move up twelve spots to get a player. It's going 311 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:10,720 Speaker 2: to take way too much equity. Yeah, but I could 312 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 2: see it trying to leapfrog somebody if there's a player 313 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 2: available that they cover. 314 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:16,559 Speaker 3: Yeah. 315 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 1: For me, I'll just start by saying I have no 316 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 1: idea what Brian is going to do. 317 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 3: That's a lie. 318 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 1: And but I could see I could see any one 319 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 1: of the three possibilities happening. You know, I think I 320 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 1: think any of them are on the table. I think 321 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 1: it's going to depend on what the board looks like, 322 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 1: how it unfolds. I would say, after the first fifteen 323 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 1: to sixteen picks, then what does it look like? Because 324 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 1: I agree with you, if he trades up, I don't 325 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 1: think it's going to be a massive jump like you 326 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 1: know of fifteen or sixteen spots or something like that. 327 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 1: But I could see a jump of you know, seven 328 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 1: or eight spots for example, something like that. I could 329 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 1: also see him trading back. I could see him sitting 330 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 1: and picking. This is this is what I've decided for 331 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 1: those who want my opinion, this is how I see it. 332 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 1: If Brian Gudukunz is trading up, I think he's trading 333 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 1: up for either a corner or a defensive lineman. You're 334 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 1: talking about dejen Quinion Mitchell from Toledo, or defensive lineman 335 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 1: like Byron Murphy or like Johnny Newton from Illinois, something 336 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 1: like that. If he's trading back, I think it's because 337 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 1: he's got his eye on one of those off the 338 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 1: ball linebackers like an Edger and Cooper, maybe a Peyton Wilson. 339 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 1: But he doesn't think he needs to use the twenty 340 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 1: fifth pick to get that guy. But he can't wait 341 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 1: until forty one to get him. He feels like if 342 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 1: he wants that guy, he's gonna have to get him 343 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 1: somewhere in between there. But he'll trade back and get 344 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 1: some more draft assets. For later on. If he's gonna 345 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 1: sit and pick, he's gonna take an offensive lineman because 346 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 1: I think there are going to be choices at offensive 347 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 1: line at pick twenty five, because the top of this 348 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 1: draft appears to be so deep at offensive line, at 349 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 1: least compared to some other Did you. 350 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 2: Read what I wrote an inbox about Graham Barton in 351 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 2: Amarus mem Yeah? 352 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, what did you think? 353 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 2: Okay, I'll let people in on this. I can't do 354 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 2: things out of topic. I have to actually explain it 355 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 2: on the show. Basically, the point I make because somebody said, well, 356 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 2: if you have an elite tackle or an elite prospect 357 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 2: at interior alignment, how do you view them? Me personally, 358 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 2: when you take somebody like Barton, who is a college 359 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 2: left tackle who has been the best offensive lineman for 360 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 2: Duke for a number of years now, but is projected 361 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 2: to be inside, I actually view them the same because 362 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 2: the way I look at it, again, if you're not 363 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 2: at Alabama, if you're not at Georgia, if you're not 364 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 2: at one of these power national championship contender programs, I 365 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 2: want you to be the best offensive lineman on your team. Yeah, 366 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 2: it doesn't mean you have to play left tackle, but 367 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 2: I want you to be the best offensive lineman. Barton 368 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 2: is absolutely that. What I'm curious about is that so 369 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 2: many times we've heard these We've heard these pre draft 370 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 2: pundits project a player at a certain position and that 371 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 2: does not end up being the case. David Baktiyari, a 372 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 2: five time All Pro left tackle, was supposed to play 373 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:05,400 Speaker 2: center in the National Football League. He wasn't big enough, 374 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 2: is what people said, and then there he is. 375 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 1: Or guard or guard. 376 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:12,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's those type of moves that I look 377 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 2: at where when you see Zach tom do what he did, 378 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 2: or Elton Jenkins do what he did, I just think 379 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:19,880 Speaker 2: you got to get bodies in there. Now. The thing 380 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 2: I don't know is when you are six foot eight 381 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:24,920 Speaker 2: and you are three hundred and forty pounds and you 382 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 2: run a five forty like Amarius Mims, but you only 383 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:31,639 Speaker 2: have this limited workload, I don't know how Brian Goodikuin's 384 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:32,159 Speaker 2: judges that. 385 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a that's a big that's kind of the 386 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 1: big mystery. 387 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 3: But that's but isn't that what's interesting about this? 388 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:38,919 Speaker 2: You have a guy like Barton who has this huge 389 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 2: workload and all this tape in what Duke was able 390 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 2: to accomplish the last few years a team that has 391 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 2: not historically had a ton of success. 392 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 3: R is so credentialed. 393 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:50,119 Speaker 2: I think people everybody agrees he's going to be a 394 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 2: starter for years in the NFL. Just where's it going 395 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:56,959 Speaker 2: to come at? Whereas Mims is this raw, high ceiling 396 00:17:57,040 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 2: prospect that you might need some time to develop. 397 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:02,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a tough pickle. 398 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, Mims to Mims to me is a is a 399 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 1: classic Brian Gudakun's Green Bay Packers offensive lineman pick, because 400 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:15,440 Speaker 1: because they would they would be like, yes, only eight 401 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:17,679 Speaker 1: starts in college, but they see all the traits, they 402 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 1: see the upside. They're like, this guy, maybe he needs 403 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 1: a little bit of time, but then you know he 404 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 1: can he can be the next Brian Blaga and play 405 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 1: one of the tackle spots for ten years and you 406 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 1: never worry about him. Right like that that, I think 407 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:33,920 Speaker 1: they would potentially view him that way, But of course 408 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe maybe they see a lot more 409 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 1: flaws on tape and he's not he's not as high 410 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:40,640 Speaker 1: on their board as maybe he is on other team's board. 411 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 3: You know what I love about it? Though? 412 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 2: Then this is why I'm so intrigued by the idea 413 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 2: of an offensive lineman in the first round, even though 414 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 2: I know fans it isn't the sexiest pick, right. It's 415 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 2: the fact that you look at what Rashid Walker did 416 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 2: as a seventh rounder, you look at what yash Naiman 417 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:53,640 Speaker 2: did as an. 418 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 1: Undrafted draft to develop. 419 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:58,439 Speaker 2: When you take somebody that has so many tools and 420 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 2: you put him into this program with what Adam Stenovich, 421 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 2: Luke Buckkiss, what they've been able to develop with offensive lineman, 422 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 2: I just think that's really intriguing because it's been a 423 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 2: minute now since the Packers have actually had a first 424 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:12,160 Speaker 2: round pick that they chose in that offensive line round. 425 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:15,159 Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, I'm gonna take care a little bit of 426 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:17,360 Speaker 1: sponsor business here, and then we're gonna keep going because 427 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 1: I got more questions for you. 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All right, not so 441 00:19:56,440 --> 00:20:00,400 Speaker 1: much talking about the first round now, but as far 442 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 1: as perhaps later in the draft. A couple questions throwout you. 443 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 1: The first one is Brian Gudukunz has shown no hesitation 444 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 1: whatsoever in stocking a position, doubling up, maybe even tripling 445 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 1: up at a position when the depth on the roster 446 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 1: calls for that. Do you see him doing that in 447 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:24,639 Speaker 1: this draft? And if so, at what position or positions 448 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:27,399 Speaker 1: might the Packers come away with multiple selections? 449 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:29,640 Speaker 2: Okay, so hear me out on this, because I understand 450 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:32,919 Speaker 2: the Packers have a need at cornerback. So it's not 451 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 2: like I'm saying, oh, what a you know, epiphany Wes 452 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:39,199 Speaker 2: is having here? But I thought last year showed that 453 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 2: you can never get comfortable at a position. Absolutely jyr Alexander, 454 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 2: Eric Stokes, Keishawn Nixon, Rasoul Douglas. How many times did 455 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:49,160 Speaker 2: we say last year, Mike and I know that Stokes 456 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 2: was coming back, but how many times did we talk about, man, 457 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:51,400 Speaker 2: where are they going. 458 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 3: To put all these guys? 459 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:54,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, they never once had a deal with that during 460 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 2: the season. They maybe for a week just because of 461 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,959 Speaker 2: how injuries affected that position. And then as soon as 462 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,359 Speaker 2: it looks like Stokes is going to be back, Jaws back, 463 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:05,719 Speaker 2: and then Stokes is out, and then Rasool is traded 464 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:09,399 Speaker 2: and this domino effect that never stopped last year taking 465 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 2: Carrington Valentine in the seventh round when they didn't necessarily 466 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:15,239 Speaker 2: need a cornerback. When Brian always talks about, you know, 467 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 2: we're not just gonna take players just because there's a 468 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:19,440 Speaker 2: need there. 469 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:20,639 Speaker 3: We want to have competition. 470 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:23,199 Speaker 2: I thought Valentine was the best example of a guy that, 471 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 2: even though it was a stack position, came in and 472 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:28,200 Speaker 2: earned his reps with the number ones in training camp. Absolutely, 473 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 2: so I could see them easily taking a cornerback high 474 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:32,879 Speaker 2: and then going back at it, whether it be in 475 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 2: the fourth round, the fifth round, day three some point. 476 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 2: I just think there's enough value there especially with the 477 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 2: interior with a slot position as either the nickel or 478 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:42,440 Speaker 2: the dime. 479 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:44,200 Speaker 3: I just think you have to have options there. 480 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,360 Speaker 2: Safety. I'm sure they're gonna take one. I love this 481 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 2: draft class for a second round Nick Collins type safety 482 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 2: if it's there. I don't know if there's necessarily a 483 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 2: first round pick there, but I think there's definitely a 484 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:55,160 Speaker 2: second round one. 485 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 1: Sure. 486 00:21:56,480 --> 00:22:00,040 Speaker 2: I just feel like that's what has to happen. I 487 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:02,400 Speaker 2: could absolutely see them taking another receiver. But the only 488 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 2: thing about that is I look at receiver a lot 489 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 2: like cornerbacks. I'm not saying you need to get it 490 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:10,920 Speaker 2: to where Mike McCarthy had it, where it's okay, it's 491 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 2: Jordan Nelson, Randall Cobb and DeVante Adams and nobody else 492 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 2: gets on the field. But I want to see more 493 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:19,920 Speaker 2: Dantavian Wicks next year. I want to see him on 494 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 2: the field. I want to see Jayden Reid. I hope 495 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 2: that Christian Watson's healthy in Romeo Dobbs out there, and 496 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:28,160 Speaker 2: you have a bow Melton, you have so many guys 497 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:30,640 Speaker 2: to incorporate already that I feel like when you talk 498 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 2: about competition and having competition, the Packers have competition there 499 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:37,720 Speaker 2: with how they've invested in that position the last two years. 500 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 2: The competition is there next year if things are going 501 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 2: well for Romeo or things are going well for Watson, 502 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 2: and those guys are potentially coming up on contracts and 503 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:46,679 Speaker 2: you want to deepen it out again. I felt like 504 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 2: that was one area where the Packers kind of came 505 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:52,439 Speaker 2: up short during DeVante Adams progress into an All pro. 506 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:55,920 Speaker 2: Is they just they weren't drafting receivers at that time consistently. 507 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 2: Then you can dip in. But for me, I look 508 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:01,879 Speaker 2: at being able to give Jeff had a secondary coach, 509 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 2: giving him more options on the back end. 510 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 1: I see. I see potentially various spots where Guta Kunz 511 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 1: could be doubling up in this draft. I definitely think 512 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:13,640 Speaker 1: in the secondary, and you know, when you're talking about 513 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:16,159 Speaker 1: a guy like Dejean who could play corner, could play 514 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 1: could play safety. But I could see multiple corners, I 515 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:24,399 Speaker 1: could see multiple safeties being drafted. The spots that actually 516 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 1: jump out to me as possible double ups, though, I 517 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 1: think I think Gutakuntz is going to take multiple off 518 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:35,159 Speaker 1: ball linebackers because there there is a little bit of 519 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 1: a shortage there with with how Jeff Hafley's going to 520 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 1: play this defense and then I think offensive lineman. I 521 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 1: you know, not saying specific positions, but I think he's 522 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 1: going to come away with multiple offensive linemen in this draft. 523 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 1: Because what was it you had the stat Excuse me, 524 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 1: my voice is given out on me. 525 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 3: I could say it. I could say the stat right now, 526 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 3: if you want to clear your voice. Yeah. 527 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 2: Since nineteen thirty six, the first time that everybody congregated 528 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 2: down at what was it the Fister down in Milwaukee, 529 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 2: the first draft they ever had back to back drafts, 530 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,359 Speaker 2: the Packers have never had two in a row without 531 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,359 Speaker 2: taking an offensive lineman, right, And I think that's an 532 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 2: important thing to remember because last year they had all 533 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,960 Speaker 2: those draft picks, thirteen picks, they did not actually take 534 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 2: an offensive lineman. 535 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 1: Yeah. That was pretty amazing actually, and it made sense. 536 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:25,200 Speaker 3: Everybody came back. Literally everybody was back. 537 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 2: They had like fifteen guys with like NFL experience. But 538 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,360 Speaker 2: that's not the case now. You have to be able 539 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:31,360 Speaker 2: to deepen that reservoir. 540 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, another one for you. Brian Gudokunz mentioned at the 541 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 1: scouting combine in Indianapolis, and I believe he reinforced it. 542 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 1: At the owners meetings in Orlando. He's talked about trying 543 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:48,359 Speaker 1: to get back into the game of drafting quarterbacks. Do 544 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,160 Speaker 1: you think he does that? And when do you think 545 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:55,399 Speaker 1: perhaps he turns in that card for a quarterback six round? 546 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 3: Okay? 547 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 2: And I look at I brought up the Matt Hasselback 548 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 2: thing again an inbox on Tuesday because somebody was asking, 549 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 2: you know, Sean Clifford looked great last year, but what's 550 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,639 Speaker 2: his ideal, Like, what's the ideal course for him without 551 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:10,919 Speaker 2: Jordan Love getting hurt? And I said, it's making the 552 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 2: most out of every single opportunity you make. Get as 553 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:15,119 Speaker 2: small as it may be, and it might be a 554 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:19,679 Speaker 2: thirty seven yard pass in a meaningless game to Bo Melton, 555 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:22,159 Speaker 2: but it is showing that you have that command of 556 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,680 Speaker 2: being able to develop. I love what Brian said about 557 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:28,120 Speaker 2: getting back in the development of quarterback that game, because Mike, 558 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:30,159 Speaker 2: one of the things I said over and over and 559 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:31,720 Speaker 2: over again, and I could see you getting blue in 560 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:33,679 Speaker 2: the face. You were tired of hearing it because it 561 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:37,439 Speaker 2: just got so redundant. But the draft pick of Jordan 562 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 2: Love was an investment in twenty twenty. Everybody looks at 563 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:43,680 Speaker 2: this as Okay, you spent the pick. They didn't need 564 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,640 Speaker 2: a quarterback, no, but they did. And even if Aaron 565 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 2: Rodgers would have played till fifty that was an investment 566 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 2: that you could potentially that was a savings bond that 567 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 2: you could eventually cash back in because of how important 568 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:57,359 Speaker 2: the quarterback position is in the National Football League. That's 569 00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 2: what I want to see them get back to, especially 570 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,439 Speaker 2: in these drafts have double digit picks, everything is going 571 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 2: to be a crapshoot. Yes, you might find a Carl 572 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 2: Bradford or a Rashid Walker or a Carrington Valentine, but 573 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,400 Speaker 2: sometimes you don't. And if you think there's a quarterback 574 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 2: there with some intangible, some attribute that you really want 575 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 2: to take a deeper look at, absolutely bring the man. Because, 576 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,159 Speaker 2: as we learned a couple weeks ago at the NFL 577 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,880 Speaker 2: Owners meetings, the emergency quarterback is back. 578 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 3: Baby. 579 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 2: Does it matter if they're on the fifty three man 580 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 2: roster or not. You have that option now to bring 581 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 2: him up as like this forty ninth man. Of course, 582 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 2: your other two quarterbacks can no longer play in the game. 583 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 2: There is more value there with the third quarterback than 584 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 2: there was last season. So I feel like it's something 585 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 2: that I would definitely move forward with if you have 586 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 2: that opportunity. 587 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:40,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he takes a quarterback as well. I 588 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 1: would say anywhere from the fifth rounder later. I don't 589 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:47,240 Speaker 1: see it happening in the fourth round or sooner. 590 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:48,680 Speaker 3: Because then you're locking yourself into a roster. 591 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think but I think fifth rounder later, 592 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 1: I could definitely see another quarterback. I would love to 593 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 1: know if he can find another Sean Clifford in the 594 00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,920 Speaker 1: fifth round. Man, you you don't hesitate there. 595 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 2: You take that guy absolutely, because Sean earned that roster 596 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:04,200 Speaker 2: spot last year. He wasn't that he just was a 597 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:05,720 Speaker 2: fifth round pick and he's locked in. No, he played 598 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:07,959 Speaker 2: better than everybody in that area. But the thing I 599 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,439 Speaker 2: really like that I think could be really valuable for 600 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,119 Speaker 2: them is if you are taking it in that later 601 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 2: day three section, now you have a guy that can 602 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:16,919 Speaker 2: earn that spot. 603 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:18,879 Speaker 3: I'd love to see the last time a. 604 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,720 Speaker 2: Fourth round pick at quarterback ended up getting cut in 605 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:23,679 Speaker 2: that training camp. No, you're kind of locked into them 606 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:25,679 Speaker 2: being on the rosters. Too much investment there at too 607 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 2: big of a position. Yeah, So I'd be very interested 608 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 2: to see how that plays out. 609 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:32,119 Speaker 1: All Right, a couple more questions for you back into 610 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,439 Speaker 1: sort of some first round discussion here, and this is 611 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 1: not necessarily pertaining to the Packers, but I want to 612 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,399 Speaker 1: get your thoughts on a couple things. Where does the 613 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:44,399 Speaker 1: first trade happen in this draft? Or Okay, so you 614 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 1: think you think former Packers personnel executive Elliott Wolf, who's 615 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,200 Speaker 1: now running the Patriots draft and who has the number 616 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:54,360 Speaker 1: three overall pick, you don't think he's trading that pick 617 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:55,119 Speaker 1: to the Vikings. 618 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,200 Speaker 2: I love Elliott. He knows a lot more about football 619 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 2: than I do. Think you got to take a quarterback. 620 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 2: I'm not saying you have to, but I'm saying you 621 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,159 Speaker 2: have to. The Patriots have been through a lot the 622 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,480 Speaker 2: last three years, and to have a guy in mac 623 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,240 Speaker 2: Jones that was a runner up for Offensive Rookie of 624 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,439 Speaker 2: the Year. It gets you to the playoffs and have 625 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,240 Speaker 2: that castle crumble the way it did. I think you 626 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:19,920 Speaker 2: need somebody that's going to be able to give you 627 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 2: a boost. And I feel like you need somebody that's 628 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 2: going to be able to reinvigorate that fan base. 629 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:25,800 Speaker 3: It starts with a quarterback. 630 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 2: Now, if Robert Kraft and that establishment has told them, hey, 631 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:30,919 Speaker 2: Elliott you got five years to work with here. If 632 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 2: you don't like any of these quarterbacks, we'll try it 633 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 2: again next year. But the fact of the matter is, Mike, 634 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 2: I think five of these quarterbacks are going to go 635 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,240 Speaker 2: on the top fifteen. I think four of them are 636 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 2: going to go on the top ten. I just feel like, 637 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 2: if you're the Patriots, you have to make that move now. 638 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 1: So you think it's the Cardinals at number four are 639 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 1: going to make the first trade. 640 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 2: Unless they feel like Marvin Harrison jewing right, that's the 641 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 2: wild character. 642 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 1: Do they feel like, do they feel like they should 643 00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 1: pair Kyler Murray with Marvin Harrison Junior and use that 644 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 1: four pick there, And because then the Chargers at five, 645 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 1: the Chargers are trading out of that spot. Somebody, somebody's 646 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 1: going to trade up to five and get their quarterback, 647 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 1: and the Chargers are going to move back and get 648 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 1: more draft. 649 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 2: If somebody's Because here's the thing, let's say this is 650 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 2: the way I think about it. I think Elliott takes 651 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 2: the quarterback, whether that's Daniels, whether that's Drake, you know, 652 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 2: whatever it is. 653 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like. 654 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 2: Somebody panics them for the fourth one. I feel like 655 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 2: somebody sells the farm to get that fourth. 656 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 1: Quarter, and it's going to be an offer the Cardinals 657 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:30,440 Speaker 1: can't refuse. 658 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 3: That's that's that's right. You have a master's degree. 659 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 1: Yep, I'm just do it. 660 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 3: The Chargers are going to do it. 661 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, exactly. That's that's the thing. And that's 662 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 1: where the I think you and I both agree because 663 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 1: my last question here, I was going to throw at 664 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 1: you the first non quarterback to be picked, Marvin Harrison Junior, 665 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:51,240 Speaker 1: that it has to be right. 666 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 2: Because if there weren't all these quarterbacks, he'd be the 667 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 2: number one overall pick. 668 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, dude, I don't. 669 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 2: I've said this to Justin actually, our producer. I said 670 00:29:59,000 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 2: this a couple of weeks ago. 671 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:00,440 Speaker 3: I believe to him. 672 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:05,680 Speaker 2: Don't overthink it with Marvin Harrison Junior. Right again, I 673 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:07,400 Speaker 2: don't know how his career is going to play out, 674 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,720 Speaker 2: but he is the Andrew Luck of the receiver position. 675 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,560 Speaker 2: This guy has been billed as a number one overall 676 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 2: pick for two years at Ohio State. It just so 677 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,720 Speaker 2: happens that quarterback is in a position you have to draft. 678 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 1: This is this is the first this is the first time, 679 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 1: and I don't follow. I admit I don't follow this 680 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 1: the the all the non packer draft stuff as much 681 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,600 Speaker 1: as a lot of other people do. But this is 682 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 1: the first time I can remember a receiver being talked about, 683 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 1: you know, being taken in the first like five or 684 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:39,760 Speaker 1: six picks that I'm I'm as sold on him as 685 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:43,040 Speaker 1: a lot of the draft knicks are since Julio Jones, 686 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 1: when the Falcons traded up to the number six spot 687 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,840 Speaker 1: and took Julio Jones and they didn't look back, and 688 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 1: a lot of people criticize them for it because of 689 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,880 Speaker 1: what they gave up to take a wide receiver, But man, 690 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:56,600 Speaker 1: did that one work out for them? And if to me, 691 00:30:56,760 --> 00:31:00,200 Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison Junior feels like the next Julio Jones in 692 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,040 Speaker 1: that draft scenario. Obviously, they're different types of players. 693 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 2: And you were the one that pointed out all the 694 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,440 Speaker 2: misses there have been with receivers over the last fifteen 695 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 2: to twenty years. 696 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:09,000 Speaker 1: It's an ugly list. 697 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 2: But Michael, the guys that are the legitimate prospects, the 698 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 2: guys that everybody is hitching their wagons to. You don't 699 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 2: get those guys in the third or fourth round. You 700 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 2: don't find Megatron that late. You don't find Julio Jones 701 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 2: that late if Marvin Harrison is the next one of 702 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 2: that kind, right, you have to take, you have to take, 703 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 2: and maybe the Cardinals will. But I'm just saying like 704 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:30,920 Speaker 2: it's one of those things where I feel like, once 705 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 2: those first three quarterbacks are on the board, it's like 706 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,520 Speaker 2: your fantasy draft. Ye, people are gonna be like, oh, crap, 707 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,360 Speaker 2: I gotta get this somebody. I gotta get my running 708 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:38,440 Speaker 2: back before I don't have one. 709 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, if it does play out that way, it's 710 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 1: going to be fascinating to see if the Patriots, if 711 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:46,160 Speaker 1: Elliott Will sits at three and picks and takes the 712 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:51,959 Speaker 1: third quarterback off the board, then what what would the 713 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 1: Cardinals potentially have to get in order to give up 714 00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 1: the opportunity to take Marvin Harrison Junior? That I think, 715 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:04,400 Speaker 1: because I think becomes the fascinating question here. All Right, 716 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 1: we've gone overtime today. But there is one other thing 717 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:08,640 Speaker 1: we need to touch on, because you and I have 718 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,560 Speaker 1: talked about this that the construction as much as field, 719 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:15,560 Speaker 1: as much as there are these off season mile posts 720 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:19,080 Speaker 1: like the Combine and the owner's meetings and everything, it 721 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:22,280 Speaker 1: always feels to me like the draft is when you 722 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:26,360 Speaker 1: really turn the page to the next season. So that 723 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:29,480 Speaker 1: is here. The next season, twenty twenty four truly is 724 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:33,960 Speaker 1: upon us in the NFL, and you and I are 725 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 1: both a little sad because we're going to be here 726 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,120 Speaker 1: in Green Bay at twelve sixty five Lombardy without one 727 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:43,520 Speaker 1: of our favorite people in this building that we've gotten 728 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:48,200 Speaker 1: to know over the years, because long time equipment manager 729 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 1: Red Battie has announced his retirement. He stopped in and 730 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:56,720 Speaker 1: visited us in our makeshift office down here in the 731 00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 1: bottles of lambeau Field last week to sort of say 732 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,360 Speaker 1: final goodbye. It won't be a final goodbye, We're going 733 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,160 Speaker 1: to see you and all that, but Red Baddy isn't 734 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,440 Speaker 1: going to be here on a daily basis anymore, and 735 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 1: that I think makes us all sad. But congratulations to Red. 736 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:16,920 Speaker 1: I tip my hat to that man. He is. He 737 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 1: is as interesting, as genuine, as enjoyable a human being 738 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:25,760 Speaker 1: as I've ever been around, and we're sad to see 739 00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:26,080 Speaker 1: him go. 740 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,920 Speaker 2: Nobody that has worked in this building, I would say, 741 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:36,680 Speaker 2: since the renovation earlier than that personifies the ideals of 742 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,640 Speaker 2: the Green Bay Packers more than Gordon Red Baddie, And 743 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,720 Speaker 2: I'll tell you this, Michael, it just so happens that 744 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:46,200 Speaker 2: on Thursday, it's my eight year anniversary with the Green 745 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:46,880 Speaker 2: Bay Packers. 746 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:48,960 Speaker 3: You've had to deal with me for that long. 747 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:50,760 Speaker 2: I think every single one of those gray hairs up 748 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:54,080 Speaker 2: there has been a byproduct of you editing my content. 749 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:58,120 Speaker 2: But nobody made me feel more welcome in this building 750 00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:02,880 Speaker 2: in twenty sixteen read t Bone. Tom Bakin is just 751 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:06,800 Speaker 2: a little hair behind him. But that equipment staff, they 752 00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,239 Speaker 2: are salt of the earth people. There's a reason why 753 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,440 Speaker 2: I've said over and over again that equipment story, the 754 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,560 Speaker 2: travel essay story that I did last year was one 755 00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,680 Speaker 2: of the most rewarding experiences I've ever had as a writer, 756 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:22,040 Speaker 2: because I was documenting people that I legitimately consider friends 757 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 2: and the hard work that they put in to keep 758 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,840 Speaker 2: this thing going. There's so much that happens behind the scenes, 759 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,560 Speaker 2: happens on a sideline that you do not see as 760 00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:34,440 Speaker 2: packer fans. Red is the guy that made a lot 761 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,720 Speaker 2: of that stuff happen, and he mentioned to us sixty 762 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:39,840 Speaker 2: five and fifty that's what he was looking at. Sixty 763 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:43,480 Speaker 2: five years fifty years in equipment, and then he decided 764 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,759 Speaker 2: to hang it up. So he's going to have a 765 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,799 Speaker 2: well deserved and well earned retirement. But there are so 766 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,440 Speaker 2: many stories, so many memories that he leaves me with. 767 00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:53,719 Speaker 2: And I only had the eight years working with him 768 00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,600 Speaker 2: as a coworker. I can only imagine what other people's 769 00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,680 Speaker 2: stories are like. But to read, I say thank you, 770 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:01,879 Speaker 2: and I appreciate everything he did to make me feel 771 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:03,480 Speaker 2: like I was a legitimate part of this thing. 772 00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:06,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, I enjoyed. I've been here for eighteen seasons now 773 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,200 Speaker 1: going into my nineteenth, and I enjoyed every single one 774 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,759 Speaker 1: of them. With Red, anytime you walk past him in 775 00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,759 Speaker 1: the hallway, you stop and you listen to a Red 776 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,560 Speaker 1: Batty story because maybe it's only ten seconds long, but 777 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,319 Speaker 1: it's going to put a smile on your face for 778 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,640 Speaker 1: the rest of the day because that guy, he's got 779 00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:24,239 Speaker 1: stories and he knows how to tell him. 780 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,560 Speaker 3: And if I hope he never loses that, no, he will. 781 00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:30,160 Speaker 1: In his human touch with other people. 782 00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,600 Speaker 2: Ten seconds usually more like ten minutes. But if it's 783 00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:34,319 Speaker 2: ten seconds, still equally as good. 784 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,319 Speaker 1: Absolutely well with that, we will call it a rap. 785 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,160 Speaker 1: On this edition of Packers Unscripted. Be sure to follow 786 00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,200 Speaker 1: all of our coverage of the team and all of 787 00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:45,719 Speaker 1: our coverage through the three days coming up here of 788 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,319 Speaker 1: the NFL Draft. We will have the bulletin stories when 789 00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,640 Speaker 1: the picks are made, we will have profile stories digging 790 00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,840 Speaker 1: into the picks even further. We will have the larger analysis. 791 00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:59,040 Speaker 1: We'll have instant reaction videos, three Things videos. There'll be 792 00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:02,520 Speaker 1: photo gallery highlight videos of the players the Packers select. 793 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:04,640 Speaker 1: Everything is going to be out there for you on 794 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,600 Speaker 1: packers dot com. Be sure not to miss it. For Wes, 795 00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,040 Speaker 1: I am Mike. Thank you for tuning in. Everybody. We 796 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:11,600 Speaker 1: will see you next time.