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Speaker 1: Welcome to Creature feature production of I Heart Radio. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host of Many Parasites, Katie Golden. I studied psychology

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Speaker 1: and evolutionary biology. And did you know that every time

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Speaker 1: you sleep, a billion spiders crawl inside your mouth and

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Speaker 1: have a big spider rave? Gotcha? That's a dirty lie.

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Speaker 1: Spiders don't even like raves. They're more indie punk of anything.

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Speaker 1: Today on the show, we're gonna look at the truth

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Speaker 1: behind viral stories about animals, which claims are real and

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Speaker 1: which are dirty lies. I mean, I can't believe someone

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Speaker 1: would just go on the Internet and lie. Will investigate

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Speaker 1: claims of miniature great white sharks, decapitated heads coming back

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Speaker 1: to life, unicorn dogs, and germophobic ringatans, and we'll find

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Speaker 1: out that the truth behind these stories is more mind

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Speaker 1: blowing than fiction. Discover this more as we answer the

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Speaker 1: asul question what happens when the zebra becomes a fashion innovator.

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Speaker 1: Joining me today are the hosts of even More News,

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Speaker 1: Internet Liars and podcast Truther's Katie Stolen, Cody Johnston. Great

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Speaker 1: to be here, and that's maybe a lie. It is

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Speaker 1: great to be here. One of them tells only lies

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Speaker 1: and the other one sometimes lies a little bit. By

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Speaker 1: the end of the episode, you'll get to guess which

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Speaker 1: is which d or will you yes you will? Or

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Speaker 1: will you? Oh? This is good? This is good. So

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Speaker 1: you guys people, Okay, I'm gonna need you to sit

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Speaker 1: down for this one. But sometimes people go on the

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Speaker 1: Internet and tell lies. No I get I get my

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Speaker 1: information from the Internet, and i've it's always accurate, So

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Speaker 1: I don't know what you're talking about. Well, it's it's

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Speaker 1: a stunning thing to discover that sometimes the Internet, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's not always a straight shooter. It doesn't always tell

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Speaker 1: you the truth, which is I don't know. It really

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Speaker 1: shocked me finding out about this as I was researching

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Speaker 1: it last night, just researching Internet, does it lie? Sometimes?

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Speaker 1: The answer yeah, actually okay, But do you know if

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Speaker 1: they're telling the truth on that, right? Can you trust that?

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Speaker 1: Where'd you get that information from Wikipedia? My brains? Brains?

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Speaker 1: Are you? Are you still getting your information? Because oh god?

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Speaker 1: Twitter is okay? Right? My medula aubleing gotta But moving on, So,

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Speaker 1: there have been a lot of viral stories about animals.

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Speaker 1: I feel like, especially now, I think because we're all

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Speaker 1: kind of stuck inside, like we want to connect to

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Speaker 1: the outside world. So seeing pictures of amazing animals is

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Speaker 1: really appealing, and I do not blame anyone for that.

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Speaker 1: I'm super into it as well. But let's pick through

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Speaker 1: these viral stories and find out which ones are true

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Speaker 1: and which ones are dirty lies from lying liar liar butts.

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Speaker 1: So we're basically going to ruin animals to ruining animals today,

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Speaker 1: ruining your dreams. That's the podcast. It's the Debbie Downer

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Speaker 1: podcast where I ruined everyone's dreams. No, some of these

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Speaker 1: are true, and for some of these, the truth is

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Speaker 1: actually more interesting than the Internet lies, so people will

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Speaker 1: enjoy it. But we're not going to find out that

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Speaker 1: like dogs aren't real or anything like that. Right, No, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: we won't. You promised me. Okay, you guys, I want

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Speaker 1: you to become Internet sleuths and try to guess this one.

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Speaker 1: Have you guys seen this story on Twitter that there

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Speaker 1: are miniature great white sharks that are just cute, tiny

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Speaker 1: little great white sharks that look like little footballs with

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Speaker 1: shark faces on them, and they are called salmon sharks,

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Speaker 1: and it is a species of miniature great white shark

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Speaker 1: What is going on? What would you guys guess? I

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Speaker 1: would guess that it's a baby? Is your baby? My

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Speaker 1: guess was also going to be your baby? And this

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Speaker 1: is where we get to look at your helpful slides. Right, Yes,

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Speaker 1: Katie has provided us with pictures, and I'm looking at

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Speaker 1: a picture of this adorable little shark. I guess a

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Speaker 1: I would guess that it it's a baby. Having never

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Speaker 1: seen a baby shark before. Yeah, if I didn't even

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Speaker 1: hear your intro, i'd be like, that's a picture of

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Speaker 1: a baby shark. So you're saying that's a baby shark.

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Speaker 1: Do do do do? Or do do? Do? Do do? Sharks? Baby,

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Speaker 1: it's a baby. So I hear you guys saying you

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Speaker 1: think it's a baby great white shark? Right sure, yeah, yes,

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Speaker 1: said baby shark, you had a great white shark? All right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: shark words in your mouth you did. I had some

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Speaker 1: tone of voice when I was like, you guys think

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Speaker 1: pointed as these baby shark teeth, these little chump well,

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Speaker 1: guys guessed it. But they are actually salmon sharks. So

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Speaker 1: it it's true that these are salmon sharks, but these

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Speaker 1: and they are this cute. These are real photos. I

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Speaker 1: love salmon sharks, and even though salmon sharks grow bigger

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Speaker 1: they get to be about six to eight feet, okay,

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Speaker 1: so you're standard shark size. Um, yeah, but it's definitely

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Speaker 1: smaller than a great white sharks. So really good thing.

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Speaker 1: We didn't think it was a great white shark, Katie,

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Speaker 1: good thing. Nobody here thought that. So so that means

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Speaker 1: that they I did a real I did a real

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Speaker 1: straw shark. Except wait, no, we're not supposed to put

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Speaker 1: straws in the ocean, God damn it. So they grow

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Speaker 1: like I said about six to eight feet that's about

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Speaker 1: two hundred to two hundred sixty centimeters. They weigh up

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Speaker 1: to four hundred and ninety pounds, which is about two

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Speaker 1: so yeah, you know, they turned from middle football size

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Speaker 1: baby chomping boys, big old chomp boys, chomping men and women.

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Speaker 1: We're not sexist in this podcast. For comparison, great white

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Speaker 1: sharks grow to be about eleven to sixteen feet and

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Speaker 1: great white sharks are about two times bigger than salmon sharks.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, it's a It is interesting because Katie,

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Speaker 1: like when you said that, like, oh, they're about standard

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Speaker 1: great white sharks are way bigger than that, and that

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Speaker 1: is astounding. So salmon sharks are called salmon sharks because

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Speaker 1: in the same order of sharks as the great white sharks,

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Speaker 1: so they are cousins in a way. They're both mackerel sharks.

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Speaker 1: And they are found in the northern Pacific Ocean. And yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think that they are pretty cute. Even as adults,

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Speaker 1: they are pretty cute. Would you would you refer to

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Speaker 1: like because salwi sharks are smaller and great white sharks,

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Speaker 1: so you could technically call like a salmon shark like

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Speaker 1: Still like kind of like a baby different uh species

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Speaker 1: of It should be technically possible, but I don't really

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Speaker 1: heard of it. I just gave you a picture of

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Speaker 1: of retains its doofy little chomp boy face, which I

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Speaker 1: think like its little I do too perfect for booping

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Speaker 1: I guess I technically wouldn't want to boop that nose anyway. No,

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Speaker 1: you probably don't. I mean, like in theory, I also

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Speaker 1: and pet it. But they wouldn't like it, and they

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Speaker 1: probably feel a little bit of a chomp, you know. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: well you gotta, you gotta. The boop has to be

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Speaker 1: a fist, right, oh Jesus, just like you got coming

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Speaker 1: at you, you pop its nose, right, Yeah, I certainly

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Speaker 1: wouldn't be doing that. Yeah, No, I would rather lose

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Speaker 1: an arm than assault one of these cute little baby sharks.

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Speaker 1: What if it's coming at you, though, you know, I

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Speaker 1: probably deserve to get chomped. I mean that's just true,

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Speaker 1: but hypothetical. All right, you just don't go swimming in

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Speaker 1: shark terror. You get a tennis racket and you just

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Speaker 1: I love swinging things underwater. It's very I mean, they're

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Speaker 1: very aerodynamic. Sorry, hydrodynamic. God, I'm stupid. It is both

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Speaker 1: baby sharks are called pups. They are they at all pups,

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Speaker 1: and for salmon sharks, they're born in litters of around six,

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Speaker 1: And also the salmon sharks, even adult ones, pose very

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Speaker 1: little threat to humans. In theory, they could definitely kill you, Like,

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Speaker 1: it's not that they lack the ability, they just don't.

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Speaker 1: They're not very aggressive, and there's just not that many

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Speaker 1: of nipping at you like a little chihuahua. Sure, yeah,

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Speaker 1: can keep living. Exhausting my trusted Wait, so this might

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Speaker 1: be a dumb question. How do they do things like rest?

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Speaker 1: a very good question. They actually can kind of go

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Speaker 1: they're still moving very slowly, but they are resting. It's

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Speaker 1: just like, I think that a lot of us can

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Speaker 1: I want to be a salmon shark just going through

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Speaker 1: the ocean, just as a baby, just a little angry

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Speaker 1: big angry football and just chomping on things salmon. All

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Speaker 1: those in mega fatty acids get something. There are sharks

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Speaker 1: In fact, the smallest shark, called the dwarf lantern shark,

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Speaker 1: They're like this size, the length of a pencil. They is.

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Speaker 1: It's not a baby. This is an adult. It's a puppy.

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Speaker 1: It's a baby in terms of I want to hold

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Speaker 1: terms of how old it is. No, No, it is

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Speaker 1: la la la la la. I think these wolf eels

421
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 1: actually look really interesting. They are faces are kind of

422
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 1: I don't know, like saying they're human like is a

423
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 1: little strange, but they do have a kind of human

424
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:57,360
Speaker 1: expression on them. I guess, yeah, there's some personality going

425
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 1: on there, Yeah, exactly. An other one of the lies

426
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 1: in this viral story is this idea that they are venomous.

427
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 1: They're absolutely not venomous. That's just that's just not true.

428
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 1: There are venomous fish, but this is not one of them.

429
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 1: That's such a weird lie to add. I know, that's

430
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:19,159
Speaker 1: so weird, just like but like this is the kind

431
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 1: of stuff that like that's like everything you said that's true,

432
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 1: that's interesting. Show me a video where someone explains what's

433
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 1: going on in the nerves of the dead fish, and

434
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 1: like I would be like, that's interesting instead of this

435
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 1: like long drawn out process of trying to find out

436
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 1: if it's true or not. That's what that's what gets

437
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 1: me about these like explanations behind these things because you know,

438
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 1: I think, oh, is it people really gonna want to

439
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 1: listen to me like debunking all of these coolness And

440
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, because the truth is actually a lot cooler.

441
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 1: And speaking of which, the wolf eel is a lot

442
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 1: cooler than just it's it's they're more than just a

443
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 1: decapitated head, you guys, there's a whole They have a

444
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,880
Speaker 1: whole life other than being decapitated at head. We'll see

445
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 1: about that. So they are actually not an eel, even

446
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 1: though they're called wolf feel it's just because they have

447
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 1: long bodies, But they are not technically a true eel.

448
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 1: They are just a species of wolf fish. And they

449
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:19,360
Speaker 1: are very intimidating looking. They can grow to be seven

450
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 1: ft long, which is two meters in wag forty one

451
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 1: pounds or eighteen killgrams. So there, they're big old noodles.

452
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 1: Look at this. Yeah, this dude holding it is enormous

453
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 1: wolf Yes, yea straggling to hold it up. Yeah, I

454
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 1: mean I don't want to find myself next to them, right.

455
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 1: But it seems like there's a lot of disinformation surrounding

456
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 1: these eels. There's misinformation. In the title of the video,

457
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 1: it says catfish versus coke. Yeah, it's not a catfish,

458
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 1: it's a wolf fish. That's wrong. But also, like the

459
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 1: title says catfish and then the description says wolf feel what, like,

460
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 1: why does anybody use the internet? I don't know. The

461
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:59,239
Speaker 1: internet is so frustrating. People just do that, go on

462
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 1: the internet and all lies like it's the first I've

463
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 1: heard of it, and it's the first time I've so yeah,

464
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 1: hard to believe that that that would happen. But these

465
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 1: wolffish that are called the wolf eels, which is a

466
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 1: bit of a misnomer. They can also live to be

467
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 1: twenty five years old, so, and they also spend most

468
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 1: of their time in underwater caves. And here's a cute fact.

469
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 1: They often mate for life, so they are monogamous. There's

470
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 1: like a little, a little cute, little couple of these huge,

471
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 1: sort of monstrous looking fish and they're horrifying, sure, but yeah,

472
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 1: they look a bit like flotsam and Jetsam in The

473
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 1: Little Mermaid, which are I think flotsam and Jetsam are

474
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 1: actually more a's, but yeah, they do. They look a

475
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 1: little bit. You'll like, they look like more ray's, but

476
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 1: they are not their Wolffish and yeah, they just have

477
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 1: they have weird like old man faces, if it makes sense,

478
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 1: not like like a little bit mutated, maybe maybe exposed

479
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 1: to some radiation, but like an old man face. That

480
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 1: you mean like half old man, half fish. I mean

481
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 1: that we don't know how they originated. Maybe there's true,

482
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 1: maybe these are old men, just irradiated old men and

483
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 1: venomous or not, which they're not. They can still bite

484
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 1: humans um, which can cause serious injury because they actually

485
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 1: bite down and crack open clams and sea urchins. But

486
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 1: here's the thing, they just tend not to do it.

487
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 1: They're not very aggressive like snorkelers and scuba divers. Just

488
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 1: like say that they're not. You know, you don't want

489
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 1: to mess with them. You don't want to like kind

490
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 1: of tease them, but don't don't go and don't bully

491
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 1: the wild life, right, like don't shove coke cans in

492
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: their mouth like you want to coke, you want to coke.

493
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 1: But yeah, they don't. They're not like aggressive. They don't

494
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 1: like chase after you, trying to bite you. They just

495
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: kind of want to be left alone with their significant

496
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 1: others so they can chomp down on sea urchins all day.

497
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 1: You know, most animals don't want to be bothered by

498
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 1: human beings. Cody's writing it down, Yeah, stop fucking animals.

499
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 1: Why are oceans and bodies of water so mysterious? From

500
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 1: the Lochness Monster to Cthulhu, we like to imagine an

501
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 1: undiscovered world of cryptic creatures or whole civilizations like Atlantis.

502
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 1: The truth is water is full of life, it is mysterious,

503
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 1: and the ocean is freaking huge darn itt So while

504
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 1: Atlantis or Cathulhu probably don't learn just beyond our detection,

505
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 1: many creatures probably do. A study used a statistical model

506
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 1: to estimate that there are likely seven hundred thousand to

507
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 1: one million distinct species living in the ocean. Of those,

508
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 1: two thirds may have yet to be discovered. That's a

509
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 1: lot of tiny loch Nessi's running around when we return

510
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 1: munical horns? Are they real? I'll present the facts and

511
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 1: you can be the judge. One of the earliest recorded

512
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:16,479
Speaker 1: unicorns may have actually been a real animal. The rocks,

513
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 1: ancient stone seals from the ancient Bronze Age Indus Valley

514
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 1: civilization of South Asia show what appeared to be a unicorn.

515
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 1: And we're a symbol of wealth. What they really depicted

516
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 1: were their orocks, wild cattle that are the now extinct

517
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 1: ancestors of domesticated cattle. In fact, they had two horns,

518
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: but the seals were always in profile, so it appeared

519
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 1: as if they only had one horn, So to those

520
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 1: viewing the seal centuries later, it appeared as if unicorns

521
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 1: roamed the earth. In this section, I want to talk

522
00:32:53,200 --> 00:33:01,719
Speaker 1: about unicorns, real real life unicorns, capitated unicorns, and how

523
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 1: if you punch them, they're like, no help, You stick

524
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 1: a coat cannon and decapitated unicorn's mouth. They go, why

525
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 1: have you done this with you? I wanted to grant

526
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: your wishes? So unicorns, I'm saying in terms of like

527
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 1: these rare mystical looking animals. Uh that including an actual

528
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 1: unicorn at the end, So you know, that'll be fun.

529
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 1: We'll see what's going on with that. But let's try

530
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 1: to figure out if these things are real or fake

531
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 1: or what's going on? Is it photoshop? Can you tell

532
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 1: by the pixels? Let's go you guys. First up is

533
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 1: spotted zebra. Spotted zebra, a picture of a zebra with

534
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 1: white spots has made the rounds online. What's going on

535
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 1: what's the deal? What is this? I think it's an

536
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 1: anomaly anomaly. Um my guess would be uh, somewhere between

537
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 1: an anomaly and just like that's what baby zebras look like,

538
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: like the spots turned into stripes over time their coat changes.

539
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 1: That's a good guess. That's a good guess, and it

540
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:10,359
Speaker 1: will develop into the that we know and love writing

541
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:14,359
Speaker 1: at this baby, it's mostly spotted, it's got some it

542
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 1: looks like some hints of a stripe coming in on

543
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:20,359
Speaker 1: the lakes. So I can see that theory being true. Cody. Yeah,

544
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 1: that's actually a really interesting idea. It mate it with

545
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:28,799
Speaker 1: a dalmatian, So these are really interesting theories. You guys,

546
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 1: You guys are so smart because this is not a photoshop,

547
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,720
Speaker 1: but it is real. Cody, your idea is really interesting.

548
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:40,240
Speaker 1: It's wrong, of course, it's very very extremely extremely wrong

549
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: and not true at all. But but it's a good

550
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 1: idea because there are a lot of animals who do

551
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 1: go through coat changes. So when they're born they have

552
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,359
Speaker 1: a different coat, like I mean, dear for example, they

553
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 1: come out they have spots. As they grow up, the

554
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 1: spots fade, So that's you know, not not a stupid

555
00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 1: idea just the wrong one. So this is again as

556
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 1: a victory and now Katie, you are more on the

557
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 1: right track. So this is a this is a real

558
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 1: zebra named Tyra. This is born. This is zebra was

559
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 1: born in Kenya's Messima National Reserve. And this cute little

560
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 1: full probably has something that's called pseudo melanism. So melanism

561
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 1: is an overproduction of pigment in animals that creates black fur, feathers,

562
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 1: or skin, and so you see that a lot like

563
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 1: with you'll see squirrels that that have black fur. You know.

564
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 1: Actually we talked about this a little bit last week,

565
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 1: but black panthers are actually just any species of panthera

566
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 1: that is melanistic, so it can be a melanistic leopard,

567
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 1: melanistic jaguar. Yeah, yeah, it is really cool. But pseudo

568
00:35:55,080 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 1: melanism is interesting because it shows how like pigmentation mutations

569
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 1: can be varied, so it's not just sort of an

570
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 1: on off switch in terms of like either you have

571
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 1: albinism or typical coloration or melanism. So pseudo melanism is

572
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 1: another pigmentation mutation where an animal who characteristically has stripes

573
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 1: or spots. These stripes are spots are larger or smaller

574
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 1: than normal. So what we're seeing with the zebra is

575
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 1: first we kind of have to know like how zebras work,

576
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 1: Like are they black with white stripes or white with

577
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 1: black stripes? You know that that whole thing. So the

578
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 1: it actually does have an answer, which is that zebra skin,

579
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 1: just the pigment of their skin under their fur is black.

580
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 1: But then they have fur that grows out of their

581
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 1: skin that is both black and white. So you know

582
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:53,359
Speaker 1: that that's just that's kind of how that's how zebras is,

583
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 1: how they is, and that's how zebras is. You guys,

584
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 1: this is a science podcast, and I teach you about

585
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 1: how zebras is. So this pseudo melanism with this really

586
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 1: cute little baby zebra, Tira with the polka dots, Basically,

587
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 1: her black stripes have grown in really big, and then

588
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:15,240
Speaker 1: her white stripes have grown in really small for some reason.

589
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 1: So she's she's got the black and white stripes, but

590
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 1: the white stripes just aren't grown in. You know, nobody's beautiful,

591
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,319
Speaker 1: nobody listens to the white stripes anymore, you know what

592
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:28,840
Speaker 1: I mean, very early two thousand, I think when they

593
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: were She is beautiful and adorable, but there is a

594
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 1: bit of concern in terms of like when you have

595
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 1: like an atypical pigmentation as an animal, because zebras have

596
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 1: stripes for a reason. We're not hud percent sure what

597
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:47,280
Speaker 1: the main reason is, but there are a few theories

598
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:49,839
Speaker 1: that biologists have come up with, and one of them

599
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 1: sort of one of the leading theories is that those

600
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: stripes actually protect them from biting flies. So biting flies

601
00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 1: are a huge menace for zebras. They can cause disease,

602
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,840
Speaker 1: blood loss, it's just like you and they're just super annoying.

603
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 1: And biting flies seem to really struggle to land on

604
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 1: striped surfaces, possibly due to something called the barber pole illusion.

605
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 1: So you know, like with the barber pole, you have

606
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 1: these stripes that wrap around it, and the pole just

607
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 1: kind of rotates, but it looks like it's going up

608
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 1: and down like vertically. So yeah, it looks like it's

609
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 1: moving vertically in a direction even though it's just rotating horizontally.

610
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 1: And so that's the illusion. So with stripes, as you're

611
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,320
Speaker 1: moving as a fly or even maybe as a predator,

612
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 1: you see these stripes moving, it may confuse you as

613
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 1: to what direction they're moving in. So that potentially protects

614
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 1: them both from biting flies. It can protect them from predators.

615
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: So yeah, little Tira is is cute as she is,

616
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 1: she may be getting more fly bites, so hopefully, hopefully

617
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:58,439
Speaker 1: she's all right. But yeah, it's it's always it's it's

618
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 1: cute to see these animals. But it is also interesting

619
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 1: because it it's one of those things where you realize, like, oh, yeah,

620
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:09,319
Speaker 1: like the reason animals typically have a type of coloration

621
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 1: and the type of pattern is because of some evolutionary advantage.

622
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:17,839
Speaker 1: So polka dot zebra true, real and cute. I wonder

623
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 1: if there's any sort of social fallout that she will

624
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 1: see in her pack or whatever, heard from not heard

625
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 1: for for not having the typical colorations if she's yeah,

626
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 1: the question, it's a good question. I don't. It doesn't

627
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 1: seem to be the case. Like it seems like they

628
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 1: don't they don't know the difference. Um, But yeah, I

629
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Speaker 1: mean that that does happen, Like if there is a

630
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 1: mutation with an offspring, sometimes the offspring for whatever reason

631
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 1: does get rejected by the herd or or the family

632
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 1: or mother or whatever for for some reason. But in

633
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 1: this case, it doesn't seem to be Uh. So it's like,

634
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 1: which is nice. So just get her fly swatters what

635
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 1: I'm saying, in the tail, right, Put in the tail. Yeah,

636
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 1: put a fly swatter. I mean the tails do kind

637
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 1: of serve as fly swatters. So you just add a

638
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 1: fly swatter to the tail, you know, and then you

639
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:13,360
Speaker 1: got and then you got yourself a spotted zebra exactly.

640
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 1: I've seen cartoons. I don't know things work. So our

641
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 1: next mystical unicorn like animal is a demon fox. So

642
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 1: there is a photo of a stunning black and red

643
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 1: fox who looks like it's part dragon, and it is

644
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 1: coupled with the text quote a melanistic fox one of

645
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 1: the rarest animals on the planet. So is this fox news?

646
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 1: Is it a demon? Is it photoshop? I think that

647
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 1: it's real. Mhm, I believe I've seen I don't know

648
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 1: if it's this exact photo, but I I saw a

649
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:54,879
Speaker 1: photo of a similar fox and I was like, that's beautiful.

650
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 1: And I googled the phrase and I saw a bunch

651
00:40:57,640 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 1: of images and I did not look any further into it.

652
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:04,359
Speaker 1: Could you describe describe like the fox like that you're seeing? Yeah,

653
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 1: it's like, um, I mean, it's got It's like a

654
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 1: very vibrant, like ready orange color. And then it's just

655
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 1: got these long like swabs of like black over its face,

656
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 1: covering its space. It looks like a swirl like you

657
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 1: got like red orange and black ice cream flavors whatever

658
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 1: those are, and like and swear and swirl them together

659
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 1: a bit. The orange almost looks glowy. Yeah, the contrast

660
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,240
Speaker 1: is very cool. I think it's real, but I also

661
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 1: think that probably people took a photo of this and

662
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 1: bumped up the contrast a little to make it extra.

663
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:45,800
Speaker 1: It definitely seems to be a nice placed light glowing down.

664
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 1: It seems to be well little HDR, doesn't it. Yeah,

665
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 1: I think it's been bumped up. It's been enhanced. Can't

666
00:41:55,480 --> 00:42:00,280
Speaker 1: Can we stop airbrushing everything, you guys, there's no actual

667
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 1: beauty in the world. Let's appreciate that the Instagram foxes

668
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 1: are giving just everyday. Fox is a complex and it

669
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:12,839
Speaker 1: has to stop these Fox influencers. I'm sick of it.

670
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 1: But you guys are right on the money. This is

671
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 1: not a photoshop. And Katie, I think you are correct

672
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 1: about the contrast just being bumped up a little bit

673
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 1: because I've also seen these in other photos, and they

674
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 1: are still stunning lee beautiful, but they don't look like

675
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 1: they're literally glowing um. And here there's actually a really

676
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 1: interesting story behind this, and the text that accompanies this

677
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: picture is not quite right because they're saying this is

678
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 1: a melanistic fox, one of the rarest animals on the planet.

679
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 1: In fact, no, this is not one of the rarest

680
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:52,839
Speaker 1: animals on the planet. It's not even relatively that rare.

681
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 1: So red foxes come in many different color variation and

682
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 1: this fox that you're looking at is actually not a

683
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 1: melanistic fox technically, even though the difference in coat, like

684
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 1: it's all, it's all kind of related in terms of um.

685
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:13,839
Speaker 1: You have these mutations in terms of pigmentation, and melanism

686
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:15,360
Speaker 1: is just like one form of that, kind of like

687
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 1: how we talked about with tire the zebra. You know,

688
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:20,840
Speaker 1: she is not completely melanistic, but she has this mutation

689
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 1: that affects her stripe size and stuff. So they're they're

690
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 1: all sorts of things that can impact of the coloration

691
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,359
Speaker 1: of a furry coat. And red foxes have so many

692
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: beautiful variations. So you have the standard red fox that

693
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 1: has this rusty red fur and often a white underbelly,

694
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 1: and they're adorable and lovely. And then you have all

695
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:45,399
Speaker 1: sorts of other morphs of fox. So you have these

696
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 1: are sort of the official categories of color morphs for

697
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 1: red foxes. There's red, silver, gray, cross, black brown, silver,

698
00:43:55,880 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 1: said silver, black brown, platinum, amber, and Sam's and and

699
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 1: that one actually refers to not just like a sort

700
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:06,800
Speaker 1: of like tannish color, but it's like a wooly thin pelt.

701
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 1: But there's many other mutations as well. So, um, first,

702
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:14,879
Speaker 1: let's talk about what a melanistic fox and actually melt.

703
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 1: First of all, melanistic foxes are not one of the

704
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 1: rarest animals in the world. It's not what's pictured here.

705
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 1: They're actually what are what we know as silver foxes.

706
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 1: So silver foxes are just melanistic red foxes. A lot

707
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 1: of people think silver foxes are like a different species. Nope,

708
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 1: just different phenotype of our regular red foxes. I mean,

709
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 1: I think of a silver foxes being a handsome I see,

710
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 1: like an Anderson Cooper type. I'm pretty sure silver foxes.

711
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 1: Mr Big on sex in the city, I don't know.

712
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:57,320
Speaker 1: Please continue with your actor, Ted Danson, Ted dancing absolutely,

713
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:04,439
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Cody, are we objectifying in not enough. So.

714
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 1: Silver foxes have been hunted and bred for their pelts

715
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 1: for a long long time. Sadly they're used in furs.

716
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 1: They're also famous in as they are part of the

717
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 1: Russian domestication study that was done using silver foxes to

718
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 1: see if they could make foxes tame over a few generations.

719
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 1: And this study actually did show that they could make

720
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:30,760
Speaker 1: these tame foxes, although often the results of the study

721
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 1: have been kind of exaggerated, saying like it took a

722
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 1: much shorter time than it actually did, like saying, oh,

723
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:37,840
Speaker 1: it just took like a couple of generations, Like no, no,

724
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 1: it actually took a few decades to have these more

725
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 1: more tame quote unquote domesticated foxes. Um, but yeah they are.

726
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:49,760
Speaker 1: It's all the same species of fox. It's the red fox.

727
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,360
Speaker 1: So you can have fox siblings in theory where you

728
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 1: have like, you know, one fox that has the red

729
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 1: fox coloration and then one that is melanistic or litters

730
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 1: of puppies and stuff. Yeah, yeah, exactly. The fox that

731
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:06,320
Speaker 1: is in this viral photo is actually not a melanistic fox,

732
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 1: but what would be considered a cross fox. And they

733
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 1: are beautiful, but they're not that uncommon in North America,

734
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 1: and they're also found in Europe, so they're like they're

735
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:20,919
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say they're super super common, but like they're

736
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:23,760
Speaker 1: relatively common. You can find them. You can find them around,

737
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:27,320
Speaker 1: you know, check under your couch cushions you might find one.

738
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:33,360
Speaker 1: But yeah, they they are beautiful. A truly rare fox

739
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 1: would be an albino fox. So albino animals are super

740
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:41,240
Speaker 1: rare because they really struggle to survive because of how

741
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 1: visible they are, So spotting an albino fox would be

742
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:48,360
Speaker 1: a very special event. But yeah, it's it's interesting to

743
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 1: see these photos spread online. I don't know where they

744
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 1: got the idea that, Like, God, I did you google albino? Yeah, yes,

745
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 1: little pink noses. They're smiling, they're so happy, stretching, you're stretch.

746
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 1: They're just happy to be alive. They're like, I shouldn't

747
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 1: be alive, but I am so second. Hey, oh god,

748
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 1: I scrolled down and found one dead. Oh jeez, why

749
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 1: did I do that? Don't tell us that I'm sorry

750
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 1: I was the guy holding it up. Oh, they're so

751
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 1: cute though, I love foxes. They're very cute, cute. We

752
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: interested in a domesticated fox, I feel like, you know,

753
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:35,439
Speaker 1: it's one of those things where I'm like, oh God.

754
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:37,839
Speaker 1: Part of me was like they probably wouldn't make good pets,

755
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 1: but then part of me was like, well maybe, I

756
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:43,720
Speaker 1: don't know. Maybe over time I've seen people people have foxes.

757
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 1: Now they just have to like you have to make

758
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:49,399
Speaker 1: like enclosures in your backyard with like knitting because they're

759
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 1: so wild. If if domesticated foxes happen, and it makes

760
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:58,880
Speaker 1: fox for unpopular because it becomes a kind of like

761
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 1: dog for cruel Deville style thing, like you know, I

762
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 1: don't know, maybe it's a positive change. So are you

763
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 1: saying we should domesticate every animal domestic We have to

764
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 1: make every animal a pet, I think because we do

765
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 1: eat a lot of domesticated animals. Yeah, we've got to

766
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 1: make them all pets. And then what are we going

767
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 1: to do? So now let's talk about what is claimed

768
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 1: to be a real life unicorn and a puppy and

769
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:32,760
Speaker 1: a Golden Retriever. So you guys, was a Golden Retriever

770
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 1: puppy born with a unicorn horn on its head? Okay,

771
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 1: I know this one. This is a tail on the

772
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 1: puppy's head. Well, yeah, if it's anything, it's a tail

773
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 1: in the puppy's head, right, Like I mean, I saw this.

774
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:54,839
Speaker 1: It's a tail. It's a tail. The photo is of Narwhale,

775
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 1: the Golden Retriever puppy with an extra tail like growth

776
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 1: coming out of its head like a unicorn horn. Is

777
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:07,840
Speaker 1: that tail? Wag? It does not, because Katie, it's actually

778
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 1: not a tail. It's a sorr. It's a unicorn horn.

779
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 1: It is not a horn. It's not a tail. It

780
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 1: is just a magical little blob flesh. Right, it's like

781
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 1: a little growth, right, little growth. It's not it is

782
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:26,840
Speaker 1: not malignant, but it's not an actual tail. They actually

783
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 1: did an X ray of the little puppy and they

784
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:33,799
Speaker 1: found that it has no vertebra or anything really in it.

785
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 1: So it's just kind of furry skin that looks like

786
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:40,319
Speaker 1: a tail, and it doesn't appear to cause the dog

787
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 1: any discomfort or any problems, so they have no reason

788
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:48,279
Speaker 1: to remove it because it's a dormal puppy. I find

789
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:51,800
Speaker 1: it hard, but yeah, you don't. It's beautiful as is.

790
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 1: You don't need to remove it, but it is. I

791
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 1: find it great. I find it great. I want to

792
00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:00,719
Speaker 1: pet it, you want to scratch it. I wonder if

793
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:04,399
Speaker 1: that thing will keep growing as it grows. I don't know,

794
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 1: I don't I would suspect it's probably not going to

795
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 1: if it's just kind of a fold of extra skin.

796
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 1: But you know, it's hard hard to say. They're going

797
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 1: to monitor it and if anything suspicious happens, like they'll

798
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 1: probably remove it at that point. But until it presents

799
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 1: any problems, they're just gonna let them be a little unicorns,

800
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 1: like starting to grant people wishes and stuff. Yeah, I

801
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 1: don't trust that puppy anymore. There's just like a bunch

802
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 1: of like butts walking around, like butts attached to peanut butter,

803
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:35,359
Speaker 1: attached to like socks, and it's like, what is like

804
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:39,240
Speaker 1: there's he's just like floating butts with like peanut butter.

805
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:46,799
Speaker 1: And yeah, that is the magical magic of the unicorn puppy. Well,

806
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:49,360
Speaker 1: he he doesn't understand what you're asking. You're like, I

807
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 1: wish for world peace, and then he turns you into

808
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 1: a giant jar of peanut butter, right right, right, Yeah,

809
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 1: this would cause dog piece dogs among dogs. I mean, technically,

810
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:06,959
Speaker 1: if we're all giant jars of peanut butter getting licked

811
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 1: up by dogs. That would be peaceful, it would be

812
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 1: could be no conflict because like a dog allergy. Um,

813
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 1: I don't think peanut butter jars can have dog allergies.

814
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 1: But yeah, So what's interesting is so having an extra

815
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 1: tail growing out of your forehead kind of defies anatomy.

816
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:31,440
Speaker 1: Now I don't think people are dumb for thinking that,

817
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 1: because when I first saw this, I was like, that's

818
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 1: a tail, Like, how is it growing out of there? Well, also,

819
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 1: that's how it was presented, right, That's how it's presented

820
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:41,799
Speaker 1: in Like I think I saw that headline a few times.

821
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 1: It was like extra tail growing out of forehead, and

822
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 1: it certainly looks like one. But here's why that's kind

823
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:51,839
Speaker 1: of less likely than just a growth or some extra skin.

824
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 1: Is that so the tail is basically an extension of

825
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:59,359
Speaker 1: the spine in the caudle region, so that's like near

826
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 1: near the but um, So if you were to have

827
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 1: an extra tail, that's it's probably gonna be in the

828
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 1: butt area. Just like with extra limbs or polydactyli m

829
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:13,839
Speaker 1: extra fingers, they usually grow where the other stuff grows.

830
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:15,479
Speaker 1: So like when you have an extra finger, it doesn't

831
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:18,279
Speaker 1: pop up like on your forehead, it pops up on

832
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 1: your hand, because that's like you think about, like as

833
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 1: developing embryo, as these cells are branching off and growing

834
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 1: into these things, Like the most likely thing to happen

835
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 1: is that you have this abnormal cell growth in the

836
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:37,759
Speaker 1: region that it's supposed to be with extra tails, you

837
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:41,520
Speaker 1: can't actually get that. So like humans can very rarely

838
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:44,359
Speaker 1: grow a quote extra tail, which would just be one

839
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 1: tail because we don't have tails, which is mutation in

840
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:51,879
Speaker 1: the spine that causes it to grow extra vertebra down

841
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 1: near the butt area. And lizards can actually grow extra

842
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 1: tails out of their tails, so their tail looks like

843
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 1: this weird branch thing from some kind of horror story

844
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:07,279
Speaker 1: or or fable, but which So in this case it

845
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 1: kind of makes sense because lizards are at a higher

846
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:14,879
Speaker 1: risk of mutation in their tail because they regenerate their tail,

847
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 1: So having that regeneration also means they're probably at a

848
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 1: higher risk of, like you know, having these this extra

849
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:25,279
Speaker 1: tail growth. So that's it's very interesting. But yes, in

850
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:28,879
Speaker 1: this case, it's just a plain all unicorn puppy, nothing

851
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 1: strange about it. Very very helpful, very magical, very sweet,

852
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 1: very sweet, magical, very sweet face. Look at that, I

853
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 1: would wish to give it belly rubs forever. There are

854
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 1: a few real life unicorns, at least if you brought

855
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:51,920
Speaker 1: in the definition to a one horned animal. There's the rhinoceros,

856
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 1: who has a single horn that is made of keratin,

857
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 1: the same stuff that is in your fingernails. There's the narwhale,

858
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 1: whose horn is really just an over grown tooths and chameleons,

859
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:05,760
Speaker 1: some species of which have a single horn and others

860
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 1: have up to three horns, so like a tricorn. As

861
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:11,920
Speaker 1: far as I know, none of the animals can grant

862
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 1: you wishes, but their horns ave important purposes. Rhino horns

863
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:20,719
Speaker 1: are used in contests for defense and to attract females.

864
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:25,360
Speaker 1: Narwhale horns are highly sensitive and can detect water salinity,

865
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 1: and chameleon horns are used to combat rivals in mating.

866
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 1: So that's enough horning us for one episode. When we return,

867
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:36,239
Speaker 1: we're going to find out if animals are just like us.

868
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:47,440
Speaker 1: It's easy to anthropomorphize animals, that is, to attribute human

869
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 1: characteristics to animals. One of the biggest questions of animal

870
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 1: behavioral research is why animals do the things they do,

871
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:58,399
Speaker 1: and whether we as humans can understand it with our

872
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:02,880
Speaker 1: human brains. This topic is incredibly complex, So of course

873
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 1: we're going to start with a video of a seal

874
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 1: rocking on its tummy in front of a cat. Now,

875
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:11,839
Speaker 1: I want to talk about something where often when we

876
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 1: see animals do a behavior, we assume they're doing that

877
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 1: behavior because they are just like us. And sometimes we

878
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 1: assume that they can't be anything like us, so there

879
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 1: must be some very cold logical reason that they're doing

880
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 1: this behavior, and so there's often you know, the truth

881
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:35,360
Speaker 1: is often much more complex than either either of those views.

882
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 1: So I first one, sorry, this video is just so funny.

883
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:43,360
Speaker 1: There is a video making the rounds. It's going around

884
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 1: on Twitter, is getting the retweets and the likes. It

885
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:53,800
Speaker 1: is a seal, Yes, it is a seal that looks

886
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 1: like it is trying to impress a cat by rocking

887
00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:00,120
Speaker 1: back and forth on its tummy like he's doing in

888
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:06,440
Speaker 1: the worm and the cat looks really unimpressed. So we're

889
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:08,799
Speaker 1: supposed to decide if we think the seal is trying

890
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:10,879
Speaker 1: to impress. Yeah, so this is I won't I won't

891
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:13,239
Speaker 1: be coy about it. This is a real video. What

892
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 1: do you think because like the caption on the videos

893
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 1: like this seal is trying to impress the cat, Like,

894
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:21,000
Speaker 1: what do you think is gets trying to impress the cat.

895
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 1: I think it's more likely that it's it's it's worried

896
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:33,279
Speaker 1: about the cat some reaction or maybe that's part of

897
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:36,800
Speaker 1: it wants to eat the cat. I don't know, so yeah,

898
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:40,799
Speaker 1: so I would my guess would be that it's just

899
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:44,240
Speaker 1: being a seal in the seal and where that happens

900
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 1: to be a cat nearby, Like it's just it's just

901
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:50,719
Speaker 1: doing this little seal thing. It's like bopping along. Look

902
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 1: at me, I'm a see saw a seal Hong Kong,

903
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 1: I'm the dog of the sea. And the cat nearby.

904
00:56:56,480 --> 00:57:00,799
Speaker 1: It looks like the seal is looking the cat. But

905
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:04,880
Speaker 1: that's also the same angle as the video that's being taken.

906
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:10,920
Speaker 1: So maybe he's stunted camera. Maybe it's stunting for the camera. Yeah,

907
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:14,320
Speaker 1: so this is I think this is a harbor seal.

908
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 1: I'm not like a seal identification expert, but I believe

909
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 1: this is a harbor seal just based on it's roundness

910
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:23,960
Speaker 1: and it's got sort of the cream colored belly with

911
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 1: the spots and then the darker back. But I mean

912
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 1: it could I guess it could also be a spotted

913
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:30,400
Speaker 1: seal or a gray seal, but I'm gonna go with

914
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 1: harbor seal. And this is a behavior that apparently a

915
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:38,439
Speaker 1: lot of seals do, many species of seals um and

916
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 1: so I think you guys are definitely on the right track. Now,

917
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 1: this is gonna be me guessing because I don't I

918
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 1: can't mind what the seal. Oh, I see, I'm not

919
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 1: a seal minder reader that only works on birds, Cody only,

920
00:57:57,000 --> 00:58:01,160
Speaker 1: my powers only work on birds I read. Sorry, I'm

921
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 1: being I'm being I'm calling you out, but I already

922
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 1: read the creature feature lore. My mind control powers only

923
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:10,440
Speaker 1: were converted. But yeah, the seals do do this thing

924
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:13,440
Speaker 1: where they like kind of rock back and forth, and

925
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:18,000
Speaker 1: the most likely thing that it's doing is trying to

926
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 1: get comfortable. So this is a behavior they do, like

927
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:22,920
Speaker 1: kind of like right before they're about to lounge on

928
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 1: a nice sunny, sandy beach. So their bodies are surrounded

929
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 1: by a thick layer of protective blubber. So imagine that

930
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 1: you live inside a thick sleeping bag with just your

931
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 1: hand poking out and you're a seal, now, congratulations, And

932
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:41,959
Speaker 1: if you want to adjust to get comfortable, you can't

933
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:45,439
Speaker 1: just like you know, I don't know, like move your

934
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:47,680
Speaker 1: legs around or something. You're gonna have to kind of

935
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 1: like rock in order to get into the perfect position.

936
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:54,440
Speaker 1: Uh so, yeah, that is probably what he's doing. He's

937
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:58,480
Speaker 1: just like rocking to get comfortable or I don't know,

938
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:04,760
Speaker 1: it's fun, like it's workout right, he's doing the worm

939
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 1: because it's fun. Like if I was a seal, would

940
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 1: I be rocking and rolling around just blurping around? Of course? Absolutely?

941
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 1: All right, that's like the seal thing. Like seals are fun.

942
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:16,280
Speaker 1: They have fun. They just pop around, the boop around.

943
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 1: They're like they're boopers and their poppers. Yeah, like somebody

944
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:22,800
Speaker 1: brought a cat to the bhoop and pop party, right exactly.

945
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:25,920
Speaker 1: You've got like seal a baldon going, always be booping,

946
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:33,520
Speaker 1: always be blurry, chill ca yeah yeah, um I love chill.

947
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 1: Cats like animals. Yeah, cats just like harbor seal rolling

948
00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:43,120
Speaker 1: around behind me? What's new? You know, I don't care.

949
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:45,800
Speaker 1: You think I have a care to give. I don't.

950
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:49,000
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe maybe I had him at one point.

951
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:51,400
Speaker 1: But there, look over there, is that my pile of

952
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 1: cares that I have? Oh, it's nothing. It's nothing because

953
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:57,080
Speaker 1: I don't have one of those. Because I don't have

954
00:59:57,120 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 1: any cares have a pile of cares. I'm like you humans,

955
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:08,080
Speaker 1: because I'm a cat and I I don't care. So

956
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:20,919
Speaker 1: next up is crocodile tears, tears of the crocod sorry um. So,

957
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:24,720
Speaker 1: crocodile tears is an old saying that means, you know,

958
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:29,720
Speaker 1: basically insincere tears due to the fact that crocodiles seem

959
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:34,120
Speaker 1: to cry while feeding. So why do crocodiles cry? Do

960
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:38,720
Speaker 1: they feel sad? Are they mocking their prey? Um? There's

961
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:42,360
Speaker 1: even versions of this folklore where the crocodile feigns injury

962
01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 1: or distressed to lure prey towards it. So this is

963
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:51,040
Speaker 1: a quote from the oldie writer Edward topsail Um, who wrote,

964
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:54,480
Speaker 1: there are not many brute beasts that can weep, but

965
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:57,640
Speaker 1: such is the nature of the crocodile that to get

966
01:00:57,680 --> 01:01:00,560
Speaker 1: a man within his danger, he will saw up, sigh

967
01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:04,320
Speaker 1: and weep as though he were an extremity. But suddenly

968
01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:12,720
Speaker 1: he destroyeth him. This is how is it something? To do.

969
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:19,320
Speaker 1: I mean, sure, maybe feigning being injured to lure prey.

970
01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:22,360
Speaker 1: I can see that being a tactic. But the tears,

971
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:27,840
Speaker 1: it feels like the eyes are watering or something some like,

972
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:31,160
Speaker 1: you know, maybe he's like maybe he's allergic to his food.

973
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:34,080
Speaker 1: Like well, because they're feeding, so like there's a lot

974
01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:36,760
Speaker 1: of like it's a lot of work to be done, right,

975
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:39,960
Speaker 1: don't they have like a lot like chomping, a lot

976
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:42,280
Speaker 1: of chomping, a lot of a lot of a lot

977
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:47,040
Speaker 1: of jaw work. Yeah, um, I imagine the amber. Sure, yeah,

978
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:52,080
Speaker 1: I actually have no like even like feigned educated guests

979
01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:56,480
Speaker 1: for this. I mean, that's pretty good though. You're both

980
01:01:56,560 --> 01:02:00,320
Speaker 1: very much on the right track with this so obvious sleep.

981
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:03,439
Speaker 1: The crocodiles not crying because it's sad or because it's

982
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:07,480
Speaker 1: mocking the food. I mean, obviously crocodiles don't have feelings. No,

983
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:10,680
Speaker 1: that's not true. They do have feelings. It's a it's

984
01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:13,280
Speaker 1: a dinosaur, all right, it's a it's a it's a lot.

985
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:16,960
Speaker 1: It's a loser. It's a loser. They are not dinosaurs.

986
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:20,560
Speaker 1: They lived amongst the dinosaurs, but they are not dinosaurs.

987
01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:24,560
Speaker 1: They share a common ancestor with the dinosaurs. But Cody,

988
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:28,040
Speaker 1: it's not a dinosaur. Well we are too, then, because

989
01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:31,480
Speaker 1: we share a common ancestor with the dinosaurs. Look, I

990
01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:35,439
Speaker 1: just wanted to insult birds. Okay, stop in sulting birch.

991
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:38,720
Speaker 1: You know that hurts my feelings, as I mean as

992
01:02:38,560 --> 01:02:45,200
Speaker 1: a as a human, not a bunch of birds fluttering

993
01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:50,240
Speaker 1: around in a skin suit. Now. But researchers actually looked

994
01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:52,840
Speaker 1: into this question, because of course they did, and they

995
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:57,440
Speaker 1: find that crocodiles do actually weep or cry while eating,

996
01:02:58,080 --> 01:03:01,600
Speaker 1: and like you guys, very smartly gifted, it has nothing

997
01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:06,360
Speaker 1: to do with emotions or feigning emotions. Crocodiles form tears

998
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:09,080
Speaker 1: in their eyes to lubricate their eyes and cleanse them

999
01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:11,200
Speaker 1: and then also to get rid of extra salt water

1000
01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:14,280
Speaker 1: that they consume with their food. But the reason that

1001
01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:18,120
Speaker 1: they cry while eating is that it may trigger tear

1002
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:20,800
Speaker 1: production just by the sheer force of air through their

1003
01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:24,640
Speaker 1: sinuses as they chop down, which triggers the tear gland. So, Cody,

1004
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:27,080
Speaker 1: you're really on the right track with the yeah that

1005
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:30,000
Speaker 1: basically they're doing a lot of chomping and there's like

1006
01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:33,200
Speaker 1: all this hot air being forced through their sinuses as

1007
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:36,240
Speaker 1: they're chomping, and then that triggers tear production. It's like

1008
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:40,800
Speaker 1: some sort of Nettie pot getting the food sweats. Yeah,

1009
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:44,600
Speaker 1: the meat sweat exactly. I do like the idea that

1010
01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:47,480
Speaker 1: they just love the food so much. It's like, this

1011
01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:54,560
Speaker 1: is so good tears by the flavor profile this dead

1012
01:03:54,680 --> 01:04:00,400
Speaker 1: baby water buffalo. It's so good, so grateful for this meal.

1013
01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:07,600
Speaker 1: In humans, there's actually something called crocodile tears syndrome, also

1014
01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:12,320
Speaker 1: known as Bogarad's syndrome, which causes people to cry while

1015
01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:16,360
Speaker 1: eating due to a misconnection of nerves that triggers the

1016
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:20,160
Speaker 1: tear ducks while eating. So that's actually interesting that they

1017
01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:23,520
Speaker 1: call this crocodile tears syndrome because it is actually somewhat

1018
01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:28,320
Speaker 1: similar to what happens with crocodiles when they eat. So yeah, interesting.

1019
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:33,320
Speaker 1: But the idea of an animal feigning distress or feigning

1020
01:04:33,640 --> 01:04:36,840
Speaker 1: harmlessness or injury in order to lure and prey is

1021
01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:40,400
Speaker 1: not a bad idea. In fact, it does happen. So

1022
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:44,600
Speaker 1: mar Gai cats, which is a small spotted wildcat found

1023
01:04:44,600 --> 01:04:47,600
Speaker 1: in Central and South America, will mimic the cry of

1024
01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:50,640
Speaker 1: a tamarin, which is a small monkey, and then a

1025
01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:53,600
Speaker 1: Tamarin will come over to investigate, like what's wrong, what's

1026
01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:56,200
Speaker 1: going on? And then the Margay is like, just deed

1027
01:04:56,240 --> 01:04:59,880
Speaker 1: some because it's oh, it's a spooky cat a door.

1028
01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:04,040
Speaker 1: Both very cute kidties but very scary and their attactive,

1029
01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:06,520
Speaker 1: just like I'm a little baby monkey. Can me I

1030
01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:10,040
Speaker 1: have a baby monkey and then just eat you. I

1031
01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:12,439
Speaker 1: would want to help the baby monkey if I know,

1032
01:05:12,560 --> 01:05:15,280
Speaker 1: and if you were a monkey would get eaten. Sorry

1033
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:19,600
Speaker 1: to say, and this is called aggressive mimicry, when a

1034
01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:23,960
Speaker 1: predator pretends to be something harmless to lure and prey.

1035
01:05:24,040 --> 01:05:26,880
Speaker 1: It's very fascinating, but that is not what's happening with

1036
01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:31,480
Speaker 1: the crocodile. That was such just the idea that it's

1037
01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:34,080
Speaker 1: just such a funny idea that someone would see a

1038
01:05:34,120 --> 01:05:39,880
Speaker 1: crocodile crying and come over to console the dude was strong.

1039
01:05:40,120 --> 01:05:42,560
Speaker 1: Come on, let on me, dude, just like open up

1040
01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:45,240
Speaker 1: talking to me. They bite your arm off, let it go.

1041
01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:47,680
Speaker 1: It's like I hate it when crocodiles leave those like

1042
01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:51,360
Speaker 1: vague status is where it's like feeling down. It's like, well,

1043
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Speaker 1: just tell me what's wrong. Use your words. God damn it,

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01:05:54,480 --> 01:06:02,600
Speaker 1: come on, express yourselves, you know, I do know. So

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Speaker 1: onto our final story, which is orangutans washing their hands. Okay,

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01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:17,919
Speaker 1: ringutans washing their hands. So there is a video going

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Speaker 1: around of an orangutan washing her hands, and the claim

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Speaker 1: is that she has learned to wash her hands by

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Speaker 1: watching Zookeeper doing it as a response to COVID nineteen

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Speaker 1: safety procedures. Basically like, if for an orangutan can learn

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Speaker 1: to wash her hands, what's your excuse? People? God, all right,

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01:06:42,520 --> 01:06:45,880
Speaker 1: sounds so depressed about the idea of an orangutan washing

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Speaker 1: her hands. I mean I like that part, but everything

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Speaker 1: else you said, it's like, come on, did they not

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Speaker 1: wash their hands pre COVID. That's the thing, Katie, is

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Speaker 1: they did, And so did you know this they did?

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Speaker 1: This is so silly? All right, sorry, go ahead. So, no,

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Speaker 1: oranguans didn't suddenly start washing their hands because they saw

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Speaker 1: us doing it for COVID. Well, because we also didn't

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Speaker 1: just start washing our hands. Yeah, that's an interesting it's

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Speaker 1: an interesting observation, Katie, and in the correct one also, um,

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Speaker 1: but yes, so that is pretty silly. However, However, this

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Speaker 1: video is true and that orangutans do wash their hands,

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Speaker 1: and they do do it because they have observed people

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Speaker 1: doing it and they copy us and they seem to

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Speaker 1: enjoy it. So this is Sandra the orangutan at the

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Speaker 1: Center for Great Apes in Wachula, Florida, which is a

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Speaker 1: sanctuary for great apes. And she doesn't just wash her hands.

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Speaker 1: She washes her toys, she washes her environment. She just

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Speaker 1: loves She has her little washing bin and then just

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01:07:53,160 --> 01:07:56,760
Speaker 1: like washes thing. She loves it. And she probably did

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Speaker 1: learn to wash things by copying a human, but she's

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Speaker 1: not the only one. And it has nothing to do

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Speaker 1: with COVID. So in Borneo, wild orangutans who had been

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Speaker 1: rescued learned to use soap to wash their hands in

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Speaker 1: four arms by watching people. And since then, orangutans that

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Speaker 1: were born in the wild who did not grow up

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Speaker 1: around humans learned by watching the other orangutans using soap,

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Speaker 1: and now they do it too. What they do is

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Speaker 1: they go into human territory, steal soap, go back to

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Speaker 1: their environment and like sit with each other and wash

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Speaker 1: their hands, wash their arms. They'll hold the soap in

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Speaker 1: their mouth, they'll like lick their arms, it's like and

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Speaker 1: then they'll pass the soap. They share the soap like

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Speaker 1: one of the oriantans, like can I cant your bow

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01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:48,320
Speaker 1: guarding that soap pet. The rule is scrub scrow pass,

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Speaker 1: like pass me that soap, and they share it and

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Speaker 1: it's like highly social activity. So they're young, learn We

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Speaker 1: don't know why they do I mean, they don't need

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Speaker 1: to wash their hands. Probably they don't need to. We

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01:09:02,479 --> 01:09:06,000
Speaker 1: don't know why they do it. It may have nothing

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01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:08,599
Speaker 1: to do with hygiene. It could just be purely an

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01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:12,880
Speaker 1: enrichment activity where they are having fun, like because it's

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01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:16,000
Speaker 1: kind of probably feels nice. It probably feels good. It's

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01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:19,200
Speaker 1: probably like tastes interesting, like they probably like lick it

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01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:22,360
Speaker 1: and taste it and then they like get these like

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01:09:22,479 --> 01:09:25,320
Speaker 1: foamy things on their hands. It's probably like just really

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01:09:25,400 --> 01:09:30,080
Speaker 1: fun activity. It's probably also really intellectually enriching, where it's

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Speaker 1: like you have this bar and then you rub it

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01:09:32,680 --> 01:09:35,920
Speaker 1: and it turns into turns into foam. That's kind of fascinating.

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01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:38,559
Speaker 1: So there, and then the bar slowly like slowly get smaller,

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Speaker 1: right right, it's really interesting to them, and so it's

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01:09:42,840 --> 01:09:46,720
Speaker 1: just this like fun group activity. And I think the

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Speaker 1: truth of it not that they're just like copying humans

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Speaker 1: who are washing their hands more with COVID, but that

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01:09:52,280 --> 01:09:56,559
Speaker 1: they are just so curious and so intelligent that they're

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01:09:56,560 --> 01:09:59,240
Speaker 1: going to copy these human activities and then pass it

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01:09:59,320 --> 01:10:02,519
Speaker 1: on to their young who learned from them, and it's

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01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:08,040
Speaker 1: become actual ringutan culture amongst this group is so interesting,

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01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:11,200
Speaker 1: much more interesting than just like oh, look, these these

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01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:15,439
Speaker 1: orangutans are washing their hands together for yeah, like alone

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01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:18,880
Speaker 1: together with rangutan go on, like right, Like it's that's

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01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:22,360
Speaker 1: fascinating and so interesting and like makes you wonder like, Okay,

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01:10:22,400 --> 01:10:26,960
Speaker 1: well will those orangutans interact with other animals and pass

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01:10:27,040 --> 01:10:29,800
Speaker 1: that on that part activity on? Like it's just like

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01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:35,240
Speaker 1: the video right after this auto play is a orangutan

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01:10:35,320 --> 01:10:38,000
Speaker 1: playing with the saw because it's interesting. Like they're they're

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01:10:38,040 --> 01:10:40,920
Speaker 1: fascinated by things and what they do in the world,

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01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:42,760
Speaker 1: and so they're just gonna keep doing that and it's

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Speaker 1: going to slowly be introduced into other other of them

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Speaker 1: because that's how their minds work. Yeah. I think that's

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Speaker 1: why that's why it's so important to realize that no,

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01:10:53,200 --> 01:10:56,000
Speaker 1: animals aren't just like us, and they don't do things

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01:10:56,040 --> 01:10:58,080
Speaker 1: for the same reason we do them, but they're not

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01:10:58,240 --> 01:11:02,360
Speaker 1: completely alien from us. They we do share things like

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01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:06,160
Speaker 1: curiosity and a desire for play and in a desire

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01:11:06,200 --> 01:11:09,519
Speaker 1: to learn and culture. But it's just gonna we have

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Speaker 1: to come at it from this recognition that they are.

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Speaker 1: They have so much capacity for interesting behavior, just like humans.

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01:11:18,680 --> 01:11:20,880
Speaker 1: But it's we can't just assume that our sort of

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01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:22,880
Speaker 1: human ideas are going to be the same ones that

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01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:25,200
Speaker 1: they have. So like, they're probably not washing their hands

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01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:30,599
Speaker 1: for you know, hygiea's a lot that's nonsense. That's nonsense, um,

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Speaker 1: But like that's the common thing that we have with them,

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01:11:33,200 --> 01:11:35,559
Speaker 1: is the curiosity. It's how they utilize it in the

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01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:38,479
Speaker 1: context of it. Yeah, but maybe like it could confer

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01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:41,679
Speaker 1: some hygienic benefit eventually. I don't know, Like I don't

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01:11:41,680 --> 01:11:45,280
Speaker 1: really know enough about their environment whether there's anything that

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01:11:45,479 --> 01:11:47,920
Speaker 1: washing their hands would protect them from. But yeah, it's

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01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:51,400
Speaker 1: like it's just so interesting when these behaviors come up.

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01:11:51,439 --> 01:11:53,599
Speaker 1: So anytime you see something that seems like a little

1142
01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:56,280
Speaker 1: bit too simple to be true, always like look into it,

1143
01:11:56,360 --> 01:11:59,240
Speaker 1: because I can guarantee you there's gonna be something really

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01:11:59,320 --> 01:12:03,000
Speaker 1: interesting behind it. Kind Of like, um, when I see uh,

1145
01:12:03,240 --> 01:12:06,519
Speaker 1: not great dog owners, because a lot I think a

1146
01:12:06,520 --> 01:12:09,639
Speaker 1: lot of people get dogs and they think like, well, sit, walk,

1147
01:12:09,800 --> 01:12:12,439
Speaker 1: do the do the things that dogs do, like walk

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01:12:12,520 --> 01:12:14,800
Speaker 1: with me, come on. But like, dogs don't understand that

1149
01:12:15,080 --> 01:12:17,479
Speaker 1: they like we like there's a process of teaching them

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01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:22,320
Speaker 1: how to live in a human world and anything like that.

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01:12:22,360 --> 01:12:24,639
Speaker 1: It's like, well, they're not doing it because of any

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01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:26,880
Speaker 1: information they have about how the human world works. It's

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01:12:26,920 --> 01:12:29,679
Speaker 1: this new thing in their world. Yeah, and dogs are

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01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:32,280
Speaker 1: actually again I keep saying this over and over, they

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01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:34,679
Speaker 1: are one of my favorite animals because of their long

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01:12:34,760 --> 01:12:38,160
Speaker 1: evolutionary history with us, and they have learned to read

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01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:41,880
Speaker 1: our emotions and expressions, and I would have hoped we

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01:12:41,960 --> 01:12:44,920
Speaker 1: want to have learned to read theirs as well. Yeah,

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01:12:44,920 --> 01:12:48,559
Speaker 1: but it is something where yeah, dogs are actually they're

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01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:51,160
Speaker 1: not completely alien from us. They share a lot of

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01:12:51,200 --> 01:12:53,960
Speaker 1: emotions that we have, but we have to understand they

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Speaker 1: are coming from dog world. They have different perspectives on things,

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01:12:58,439 --> 01:13:01,800
Speaker 1: except for unicorn puppy. You of corn puppy is magical

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01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:07,880
Speaker 1: and all knowing, omniscient puppy. But yeah, it is, it is.

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01:13:08,040 --> 01:13:12,160
Speaker 1: I think really, I think that understanding it with that

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01:13:12,240 --> 01:13:15,479
Speaker 1: nuance just makes animals more lovable because it's like yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, yeah, no, a shark isn't necessarily going to

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01:13:19,320 --> 01:13:21,800
Speaker 1: have the same emotions as a human, but it has

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Speaker 1: something going on and it's probably really interesting. It's fascinating

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Speaker 1: all of it. Yeah, but you're right, we have such

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01:13:28,720 --> 01:13:33,599
Speaker 1: a tendency as as humans to be like but put

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Speaker 1: human motivations behind or you know, like answer it in

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01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:40,439
Speaker 1: terms that we can understand instead of the far more

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01:13:40,520 --> 01:13:45,320
Speaker 1: interesting reality is mystery in some cases. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: I think it just takes a little bit of creativity

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01:13:48,280 --> 01:13:50,960
Speaker 1: to think about a different kind of brain, you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean, like in that sympathy right, like that simp

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Speaker 1: the things that we show with other humans too, where

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01:13:55,720 --> 01:13:57,600
Speaker 1: it's like you've got to have a little bit of

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Speaker 1: creativity to see it from someone else's perspective, got to

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01:14:00,360 --> 01:14:02,840
Speaker 1: have a lot of creativity to see it from an

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01:14:02,840 --> 01:14:07,479
Speaker 1: animal's perspective, Like why why would somebody wash with soap

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01:14:07,560 --> 01:14:09,920
Speaker 1: just for fun? Like think about it, right, Yeah, the

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01:14:10,439 --> 01:14:12,960
Speaker 1: context of their environment, the context of what they do,

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01:14:13,040 --> 01:14:17,400
Speaker 1: and like where they're where they're at in their evolution. Yeah, yeah, nothing,

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01:14:17,439 --> 01:14:20,080
Speaker 1: the things that don't happen in a human vacuum. Right,

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Speaker 1: We're not Yeah, yeah, we're not. You know, we're not

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Speaker 1: the only animals on this planet. It's my it's my tagline.

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Speaker 1: Do you like now that's true? That's true. Well, I

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Speaker 1: mean at that point there will be no I'm not

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01:14:35,720 --> 01:14:39,320
Speaker 1: going to get into that. Someday. Maybe it's a fun

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01:14:39,360 --> 01:14:42,720
Speaker 1: podcast here, it's a fun podcast. Yeah. But thank you

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Speaker 1: guys so much for joining me. This was a lot

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Speaker 1: of fun. You guys are such good sports trying to

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Speaker 1: figure out the truth and very smart internet sleuths. Do

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Speaker 1: you guys have anything to plug? Yeah? Always. First off,

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Speaker 1: thank you for inviting us, um, but yeah, you guys

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Speaker 1: can check us out for non animal content, mostly some

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Speaker 1: animal content sometimes UM on the Internet, that trustworthy place

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Speaker 1: we we co host. Cody and I both co host

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Speaker 1: of a companion podcast to our YouTube show, which Quody

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Speaker 1: white man behind a desk, wearing a tie, talk about

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Speaker 1: definitely there. Um. And if you're a fan of Katie Golden,

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Speaker 1: not Katie the one speaking well, which assuming you are sure,

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Speaker 1: if you're listening to this podcast, in definitely want to

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Speaker 1: check out some our news because Katie does a lot

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Speaker 1: of writing for us. That's true this week on our

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Speaker 1: episode yeah project Yeah, it's fun. I politics sometimes, which

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Speaker 1: is on the politics dabble, I dabble in the politics.

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm interested in in animals, including the politicians. If

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Speaker 1: you don't in the White House, oh burn burn just

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Speaker 1: a like, actually I didn't lose any subscribers the elephants. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so you can check all of that stuff out online.

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Speaker 1: Just also, I feel like I insulted Rangutans because the

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Speaker 1: president is not curious at all. He's so incurious that

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Speaker 1: he would he would look at the soap and be

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Speaker 1: like get he Oh my god. President Orangutan would have

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01:16:48,640 --> 01:16:52,720
Speaker 1: handled COVID better than Trump because like it would be

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Speaker 1: in office and just sitting there and grabbing soap and

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Speaker 1: washing it, and everybody'd be like, oh, we should wash

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Speaker 1: our hands more like the beaning by example ring it. Anyways,

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Speaker 1: you guys, um, you can find us at Creature Feature

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Speaker 1: Birds are great. And I don't say this because I'm

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Speaker 1: a bunch of birds humans suit that would be weird. No.

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Speaker 1: I just think birds are great and we should all

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Speaker 1: listen to them as humans and obey them. Let's fellow,

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Speaker 1: fellow humans, we should obey birds. They're pretty cool fell humans.

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