1 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. 2 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 2: Late Tuesday night, as Koreans settled into bed, South Korea's 3 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:18,239 Speaker 2: president Yun songyoul, shocked the nation by declaring martial law 4 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 2: for the first time in nearly forty years. Or In 5 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 2: a live television broadcast, Yun said he imposed the extreme 6 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 2: measure to protect freedom and constitutional order and to defend 7 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 2: the country, which he said is falling into ruins. 8 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 1: Are you Jonjong Pisang? 9 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 2: Within hours, hundreds of demonstrators gathered in front of South 10 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:50,480 Speaker 2: Korea's National Assembly building despite the freezing cold, and around midnight, protesters, 11 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 2: armed soldiers and lawmakers converged on the building as the 12 00:00:54,440 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 2: members of parliament tried to enter it. Lawmakers on all 13 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:06,320 Speaker 2: sides denounced the martial law declaration, including the leader of 14 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 2: Yun's own Conservative party, and by early morning, lawmakers had 15 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:15,839 Speaker 2: unanimously passed a resolution demanding that martial law be revoked. 16 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 2: Under the mounting pressure, Yun went on live television again 17 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:26,119 Speaker 2: and backed down, promising to lift the emergency measure heja question. 18 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 2: In the end, Korea was only under martial law for 19 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 2: about six hours, but the shock move has plunged the 20 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:35,960 Speaker 2: country into a political crisis. 21 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: The whole drama lasted only several hours, but its ramification 22 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 1: is going to be lasting for weeks, if not month 23 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 1: to come. 24 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 2: Sam Kim is a Bloomberg Economy and government reporter based 25 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 2: in Seoul. 26 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 1: I think it's a matter of time before there's possibly 27 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 1: another round of certain political chaos, depending on how Yun 28 00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 1: reacts to what the parliament is trying to do, which 29 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 1: is to impitch him. In the meantime, Error concerns that 30 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 1: this will have a long term impact on the economic 31 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 1: strength of the country. 32 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:18,839 Speaker 2: Welcome to the Big Take Asia from Bloomberg News. I'm 33 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 2: Wanha today on the show, What exactly happened on the 34 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 2: ground during six hours of martial law in South Korea, 35 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 2: What happens next, and what's at stake for the country's 36 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 2: political and economic stability. In a span of just six hours, 37 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 2: South Korean President Yunsonyoul invoked martial law for the first 38 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 2: time in more than forty years, and then quickly revoked 39 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 2: it under pressure. We asked Bloomberg Sam Kim to take 40 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 2: us through the chaotic, intense events. Sam, what was your 41 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 2: reaction when you first heard the news about martial law 42 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 2: being declared. 43 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 1: To hear that a prison declared martial law in a 44 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 1: country I've been living in for what for decades now, 45 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 1: It was just surreal because it is something that you 46 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: would see in a history book. He just wouldn't imagine 47 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 1: something like this would happen. The last time the martial 48 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 1: law was imposed was around I think nineteen eighty, when 49 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 1: long time President Pak CHUNGI was assassinated and the military 50 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 1: took over the country. During that interim period, what happened 51 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 1: was a deadly suppression of an uprising in a city 52 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 1: called Guangju in the southwest of South Korea. Hundreds of 53 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 1: people died there as they were uprising against the military fronta. 54 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 1: So the word martial law immediately invokes that image of 55 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 1: bloody of risings, and I think that's probably because of 56 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 1: those years of military influence and power that really struck 57 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 1: fear in the hearts of almost every South Korean. 58 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 2: It sounds like no one had a good sleep in 59 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 2: South Korea. What was it like on the ground overnight 60 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 2: after martial law was declared? 61 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 1: There was a lot of chaos, I bet and I 62 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 1: don't live very far from the National Assembly, actually, it's 63 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: just across the river. And after I woke up and 64 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 1: heard the news. I went out to the balcony because 65 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:26,719 Speaker 1: my wife was telling me that there seemed to be 66 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:30,160 Speaker 1: choppers flying over our apartment complex, and I did hear 67 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 1: them too. What helicopter I saw was landing on the 68 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:38,160 Speaker 1: National Assembly and it almost felt like there was some 69 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 1: type of combat or battle on the ground of the 70 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:43,159 Speaker 1: National Assembly. It's the kind of scene that you would 71 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 1: see in a movie with troops swooping down in order 72 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:51,159 Speaker 1: to quall a bunch of opponents. And then there were 73 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 1: crowds outside the National Assembly complex holding up pluck cards 74 00:04:57,080 --> 00:05:00,160 Speaker 1: banners that obviously had messages critical. 75 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:03,479 Speaker 2: Un But in the end, though lawmakers were able to 76 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 2: gather in the building an assemble right Yes. 77 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:09,280 Speaker 1: In the end, one hundred and ninety lawmakers were able 78 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 1: to make it inside the main hall of the National Assembly, 79 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:15,599 Speaker 1: and the one hundred and ninety lawmakers, all of them 80 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 1: unanimously voted in favor of nullifying the president's decree. And 81 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 1: from there the ball was in the court of President 82 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 1: June and it took him several more hours to decide 83 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 1: that yes, I'm going to accept this order from the 84 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 1: Parliament to stop the martial law. So he made an 85 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: announcement between four am and five am SAM. 86 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 2: What did Yune's martial law order actually entail and how 87 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 2: would it have restricted everyday life in South Korea? 88 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 1: According to the martial Law Order from the Martial Law Command, 89 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 1: it basically banned all types of political activities, including what 90 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:55,359 Speaker 1: would happen inside the National Assembly, and also said it 91 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 1: would ban any types of rallies and the media should 92 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:03,039 Speaker 1: be helpful with what it publishes. So it's a very 93 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 1: broad sort of sweeping order that would have really stifled 94 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 1: a lot of the activities and rights that South krestent 95 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:13,919 Speaker 1: have been enjoying for decades since they turned into a 96 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 1: democracy about for decades ago. 97 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:20,679 Speaker 2: And how did President you justify why he declared martial 98 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:21,919 Speaker 2: law in his national address? 99 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: The statement that he put out basically refers to what 100 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 1: he called anti government forces secretly operating inside the country 101 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:34,039 Speaker 1: to subvert the government. If there's a war, the president 102 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 1: does have the power to impose a martial law. Or 103 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 1: a situation that is likened to a war or a 104 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 1: massive national disaster where you would actually need to have 105 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:46,839 Speaker 1: some control of the way people act, you would need 106 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:50,040 Speaker 1: a martial law. But that night, I didn't feel that 107 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: as I was going to sleep. 108 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 2: I imagine most Koreans did not either. 109 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 1: No, not at all. 110 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 2: Sam. How is President Une seen politically before this declaration 111 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:01,480 Speaker 2: of martial law? How popular was he? 112 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 3: He does not really have much support from the parliament 113 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 3: because in the April elections, the ruling party was defeated 114 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 3: pretty heavily by the opposition, which means the parliament is 115 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 3: controlled by the opposition, and the support that he needs 116 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 3: to push forward with his policies just isn't going to 117 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 3: come from the parliament. 118 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 1: And June was feeling more and more cornered and isolated. 119 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 2: And Sam, the fact that President Yune felt so isolated, 120 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:30,679 Speaker 2: how might that have played into his decision to declare 121 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 2: martial law. 122 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 1: I think President Yune felt a huge amount of hostility 123 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 1: from the opposition, and he felt that he was losing 124 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 1: his ability to run the government the way he wanted to. 125 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 1: He certainly felt quartered by a parliament almost completely controlled 126 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 1: by the opposition, and the April parliamentary election produced a 127 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 1: National Assembly that had the power to im pitch him 128 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 1: if they really wanted to do that. And at the 129 00:07:56,880 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 1: same time, his own ruling party was now being led 130 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 1: by someone who started to become at odds with the 131 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 1: president on top of all the pressure he had been 132 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 1: feeling already. You could almost argue that he kind of snapped. 133 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 2: Here after the break, what's next for President Yun and 134 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:32,439 Speaker 2: what this means for US South Korean relations? On Wednesday morning, 135 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 2: South Koreans were still reeling from the shocking events that 136 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 2: happened overnight when President Yunsung yule declared martial law before 137 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 2: revoking it just hours later. Since then, protesters have been 138 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 2: calling for President Yun's resignation, while lawmakers are working to 139 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 2: impeach him. 140 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 1: The political chaos has been unfolding at a speed that 141 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 1: I have not seen before. 142 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 2: That's Bloomberg's Sam Kim again. 143 00:08:57,080 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 1: We're seeing the cabinet offering to step down and mass 144 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: and the opposition parties are joining forces to submit an 145 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:08,080 Speaker 1: impeachment motion to make sure that president is going to 146 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 1: be pitched and also prosecuted for what they call treason. 147 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 1: So right now, in the middle of an unfolding crisis politically. 148 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:20,680 Speaker 2: In the morning, when South Korean markets opened after the 149 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 2: chaotic night, Korean shares and currency tumbled. They regained ground 150 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 2: after authorities vowed to provide unlimited liquidity to markets. Still 151 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 2: Sam says there are concerns about South Korea's economy in 152 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:36,479 Speaker 2: the face of the political uncertainty. 153 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 1: I think a lot of policymakers are very concerned at 154 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 1: the moment of the potential economic impact this could have. 155 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 1: It could dent some of the investor confidence in the country. 156 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 1: There's some concerns that the political chaos in Tumult could 157 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 1: have a very negative impact on the credit ratings for 158 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 1: the country. If you're a foreign investor who wants to 159 00:09:56,800 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 1: buy treasury bonds from South Korea have to worry about 160 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 1: the political risk that is associated with the bond. And 161 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 1: there's a lot of economists now saying that we're probably 162 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 1: going to see the one dollar rag staying elevated for 163 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 1: some time, meaning that it's going to stay weak for 164 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 1: some time to come. So no one's out of the 165 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 1: woods at the moment with the economy. 166 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 2: And geopolitically, I wonder what is at stake, especially for 167 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 2: the US, one of Korea's most important allies. 168 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 1: President Yune has been a fan of the alliance with 169 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 1: the US. He's been a staunch supporter of doing more 170 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 1: with the US and reducing reliance on China. In the 171 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:41,839 Speaker 1: realms of diplomacy in South Caare's trade with China has 172 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 1: certainly been weakening compared to the trade with the US. 173 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 1: I think the US maintains the view that software are, 174 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 1: regardless of who's in power, will remain a very important 175 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 1: ally because if you look at the map, southcare still 176 00:10:56,880 --> 00:10:59,439 Speaker 1: is at the tip of the spear that the US 177 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 1: based has in terms of its military power and its 178 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 1: ability to protect influence in Asia. But it would certainly 179 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 1: make it more difficult if there's someone in power in 180 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:14,320 Speaker 1: Seoul who does not really like the way the US 181 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:18,319 Speaker 1: manages his policy in this region. Right, if you're someone 182 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 1: in Washington, you would certainly like to have someone who 183 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 1: is more favorable to US policies. And when the US 184 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:28,840 Speaker 1: is trying to control the power that China is wielding 185 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 1: in the region. 186 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 2: And how might China view all of this with what's 187 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 2: happening in Korea, They must be watching this very closely. 188 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 1: They would want a politically friendly government in Seul for sure, right, 189 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 1: a government that's more friendly toward Beijing, that is what 190 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:48,839 Speaker 1: they want. I don't know whether stability matters as much 191 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 1: as how friendly Soul is going to be toward Beijing, 192 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:54,960 Speaker 1: but n has been someone that has made it clear 193 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 1: that they're going to side with the US rather than China. 194 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: But with the political risk for him now him being threatened, 195 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 1: I think this could potentially change the whole landscape in 196 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 1: the region. 197 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 2: Let's talk about this political risk facing you now. Things 198 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 2: are moving so swiftly on the ground in South Korea. 199 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:17,200 Speaker 2: The opposition party introduced a bill to impeach President Un. 200 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 2: How will this play out? 201 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 1: That's a very good question. I think they'll actually play 202 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:24,719 Speaker 1: by year going forward. What I mean by that is 203 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 1: they're going to completely demand Un step down and that 204 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 1: will pave the ground for a rather prompt and quick 205 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 1: election without having to go through all the political wrangling, 206 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 1: and there will also be a long series of legal 207 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 1: proceedings that would just hire a lot of people out. 208 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 2: How many votes do they need to impeach him? 209 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 1: I believe they will need two thirds of the parliament. 210 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:53,719 Speaker 1: So the parliament has three hundred lowmakers, that means you 211 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:56,680 Speaker 1: would have to have the support from two hundred. The 212 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:59,680 Speaker 1: opposition parties do not have two hundred, so you would 213 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 1: have to acquire a few dozen lawmakers voicing their support 214 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 1: for your bill. And given that the ruling party was 215 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:10,839 Speaker 1: also very upset and very sorry to the public about 216 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 1: what happened with the president. I think there's a good 217 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 1: chance some of the people in the ruling party might 218 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 1: agree with the motion. 219 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 2: It sounds like the next few days and weeks are 220 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 2: going to be really critical for President Yun and for 221 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:23,560 Speaker 2: South Korea. 222 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: I think it'll be a time when we're going to 223 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 1: be hearing from Yune what he plans to do. Is 224 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 1: he going to be stubborn, Is he going to regret 225 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 1: his decision? Is he going to be conciliatory. The ball 226 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 1: is in his court, and I think the parties in 227 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 1: the parliament are waiting for him to do something so 228 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:47,440 Speaker 1: they can plan their next step. Another question I think 229 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 1: we could be asking while we wait for you and 230 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: to respond, is if it does somehow step down or 231 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 1: getting pitched, who is going to replace him? Who is 232 00:13:57,280 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 1: the next person that would lead this kind That's the 233 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 1: question everybody will be asking. 234 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:13,320 Speaker 2: This is the big take Asia from Bloomberg News. 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