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Speaker 1: This is the most traumatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast.

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Speaker 1: Chris Harrison Lauren z Eman coming to you as we

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Speaker 1: open up the playbook, LZ, this is a very interesting playbook.

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Speaker 1: We're going to talk about how to move on after

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Speaker 1: you break up. You know what this stems from is

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Speaker 1: you know, I just had a very emotional podcast with

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Speaker 1: Jason Tartik, and I appreciate him coming on. We did

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Speaker 1: a two part series. If you haven't heard it, go

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Speaker 1: back and listen. Great response from all of you. But

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Speaker 1: one of the interesting things, and Jay and I talked

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Speaker 1: about this, not I don't think we talked about it

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Speaker 1: on the show, but afterwards, it's something I didn't have

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Speaker 1: to deal with as much. They are going to see

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Speaker 1: each other on social media forever, you know, before like

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Speaker 1: when I was you know, from back in my day,

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Speaker 1: you would break up and even your you know, first marriage,

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Speaker 1: via social media as much.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean Facebook started when I was in I

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Speaker 2: was going to my freshman year of college and Facebook.

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Speaker 3: Had just started. So I've kind of I've done all

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Speaker 3: my dating life on social media. Yeah, but not to

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Speaker 3: the extent. It's that now.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, you don't really just get to dump somebody

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Speaker 1: and just forget well that's never to see them.

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Speaker 2: Again, right, that doesn't happen anymore. And what we want

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Speaker 2: to get into today is how do you move on

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Speaker 2: when your ex has moved on? How do you deal

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Speaker 2: when your ex has moved on? And that is I

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Speaker 2: mean I don't think Jason Caitlin are there yet?

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Speaker 3: Right, there's that first phase. Well, here's the question.

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Speaker 2: A first question for you, is it almost Is it

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Speaker 2: easier when, like you both haven't moved on yet, when

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Speaker 2: you're both still in the turmoil.

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Speaker 1: For sure, because you and you're still probably talking a

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Speaker 1: little bit to each other, and you know, even if

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Speaker 1: it's just texting about other things, and so yes, there

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Speaker 1: is comfort in knowing both of you are still a

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Speaker 1: little heartbroken and still kind of ships drifting a sea.

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Speaker 2: But when your ex has moved on, that can be painful.

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Speaker 2: It's hard for many reasons. You can feel like, oh gosh,

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Speaker 2: it's really over. You can feel a worthlessness because you think, well,

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Speaker 2: I haven't found anyone yet.

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Speaker 3: It's like a hit to your self esteem.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, even when you know that person wasn't right for

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Speaker 1: you and you didn't want to get back together and

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Speaker 1: you weren't hoping it's it can be hard just because

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Speaker 1: they got there first.

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Speaker 3: Oh, it's so annoying when they get there.

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 3: I actually.

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Speaker 2: I think that when you're going through a breakup, you

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Speaker 2: have to take all the painful things, take the pain

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Speaker 2: and spin it into positive. Like for me, when your

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Speaker 2: ex has moved on, you think like you're it's it's painful,

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Speaker 2: but you've got to turn that into Okay, it's really over.

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Speaker 3: I can move on now.

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Speaker 2: That was the last nail in the coffin there, I

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Speaker 1: One of the reasons I wanted to bring this topic

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Speaker 1: up with you, and it's a topic that you had

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Speaker 1: deal with a lot and experience camps and all that

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Speaker 1: is mourning and how people mourn differently. And Jason and

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Speaker 1: I talked about this, and I'm not equating it to

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Speaker 1: you know, losing your dad, but losing someone and breaking up.

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Speaker 1: There is a sense of mourning, and people, first of all,

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Speaker 1: mourn at different speeds and in different ways. Some people

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Speaker 1: bounce right back, some people bury it and kind of

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Speaker 1: almost like let yourself barn which Jason and Caitlin are

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Speaker 1: allowing yourself to feel that pain and you know, whether

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Speaker 1: and he's like, man, I am still feeling this stuff.

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Speaker 1: It's soon like I didn't realize how close to the

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Speaker 2: But you also have to recognize that that's normal. I

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Speaker 2: And I tell people this with when they're going through

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Speaker 2: I used to always say the phrase feel it well,

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Speaker 2: and move on with breakups. With the loss of my dad,

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Speaker 2: I remember one time crying so hard in my car.

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Speaker 2: But this is about the loss of my dad, not

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Speaker 2: a breakup. But then I kind of had a moment

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Speaker 2: keep going with my life, because what else am I

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Speaker 3: And life is to be lived.

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Speaker 2: So I think, again, take the pain, turn it into positive,

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Speaker 2: feel it well, allow yourself to feel those emotions, but

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Speaker 2: do not dwell. If you sit in that too long,

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Speaker 2: you're only hurting yourself and.

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Speaker 1: So many other things fester up and you start you

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Speaker 2: I also think with breakups, I really try to. It's

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Speaker 2: like putting a different pr spin on something like, let's

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Speaker 2: rebrand your breakup.

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Speaker 1: Go Gwyneth Paltrow unconscious, uncoupled, conscious, conscious, she reined divorce.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so let's do that brilliant With just breakups, which

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Speaker 2: is when two people break up. I don't even think

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Speaker 2: I just think of it as it wasn't the right fit. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And I'm grateful that I know that so that I

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Speaker 2: I know I'm saying this and it's difficult to feel

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Speaker 2: have to view it that way. It's just like you

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Speaker 2: know when a job isn't the right fit, or a

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Speaker 2: friend's not right for you, or or anything. It's literally

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Speaker 2: the square peg doesn't fit the round hole. We did

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Speaker 2: not fit, we did not work. I'm glad I know

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Speaker 1: Right. And that's what Lauren said is true. It's not

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Speaker 1: to say it doesn't suck right away, and the sting

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Speaker 1: is there and it's hard to You're not going to

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Speaker 1: realize these things twelve hours later. You're not going to

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Speaker 2: If we're getting specific, because this is like, this isn't

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Speaker 3: This is the niche playbook of what do you do?

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Speaker 2: How do you handle it when your ex yeah, has

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Speaker 2: moved on and found someone else. Let's get personal. Your

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Speaker 2: ex wife got married four years ago. Yeah, what was

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Speaker 2: that like for you? Was it emotional at all?

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Speaker 1: It's it's never not emotional and it's never not weird.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter, like and we were very respectful of

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Speaker 1: I was happy for them. All those feelings were there

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Speaker 1: and they were very true. But at the same time,

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Speaker 1: major part of our wedding. That's weird. It's weird that

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Speaker 2: I actually I'm going to I feel like there's probably

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Speaker 2: no better way to describe it. Like you keep saying

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Speaker 2: it's weird, but I don't think they're a better adjective.

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Speaker 1: Because because it's not negative, and it's not positive like

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Speaker 1: I didn't dwell in it at all. It didn't like

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Speaker 1: a these passing thoughts of like, oh, that's weird. Where

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Speaker 1: that's bizarre. And by the way, some of my best

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Speaker 2: I remember when I there was someone who I was

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Speaker 2: I think it's a pang of oh that's really over.

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Speaker 3: That chapter is really closed now.

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Speaker 2: And again it's not a longing, but it's like just

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Speaker 1: Social media is a big one, though.

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Speaker 2: I was just going to get into that. Yes, I

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Speaker 2: do think if I was going to give advice to someone.

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Speaker 2: First of all, let's applaud the mute feature on instag

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Speaker 2: You don't have to unfollow. Thank you to whoever invented

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Speaker 2: this at Instagram. If you don't know about it, mute

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Speaker 2: the person as a post of theirs comes up in

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Speaker 3: It's weird.

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Speaker 2: You can't do it from their profile and obviously I'm

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Speaker 2: muted people because I'm telling you how to do it.

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Speaker 2: which allow, which means that their posts and their stories

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Speaker 2: be like notified, and you won't have they won't see

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Speaker 3: Them or something.

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Speaker 2: So it's a really it's one of the better things

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Speaker 2: that's come out and a lot of health of a

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Speaker 2: lot of unhealthy things about social media.

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Speaker 1: And as much as you're gonna want to, don't.

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Speaker 3: Don't look them up here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah you know exactly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, don't.

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Speaker 1: Just don't go fishing. Don't it's you know, you'll be

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Speaker 1: It's the fishing expedition is never going to bear fruit.

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Speaker 1: Just let it go, like out of sight, out of mine.

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Speaker 1: It's not gonna make you feel better. Social media never

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Speaker 1: makes you feel better anyway. But that's another story.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, we're texting. I mean, don't text your ex.

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Speaker 3: It's over.

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Speaker 1: It's I know sometimes obviously we have to because of kids,

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Speaker 1: and I'm not talking about and.

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Speaker 2: Now we're talking about the drunken late night you texted

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Speaker 3: This is not good. Find a friend to take your phone.

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Speaker 1: When you reach out and you're hoping for.

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Speaker 3: S It's never good.

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Speaker 2: It's never like And that turned happily ever after when

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Speaker 2: when she drunk texted me after we broke up.

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Speaker 1: And then we fell in love and got.

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Speaker 3: Back to get it. It's never the fairy tale.

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Speaker 1: Look, it's if it's a good idea tonight, it'll be

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Speaker 1: a good idea in the morning. Sleep on it. If

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Speaker 1: you still want to send, you know, write the text,

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Speaker 1: leave it if you want to send it tomorrow morning.

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Speaker 1: But probably you're gonna wake up and go thank god,

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Speaker 1: I was in a weird space last night.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I do think if we're talking get it

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Speaker 2: when your ex has moved on to me, just re

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Speaker 2: frame that as something freeing, okay, great, and something hopeful

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Speaker 2: they found someone I will too, you know. And by

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Speaker 2: the way, remember just because they've they're with somebody else

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Speaker 2: doesn't mean it's great. Doesn't mean that person's great. It

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Speaker 2: might suck.

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Speaker 3: So if you need to just have that little shady.

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Speaker 2: Sense of remember just because it looks good on Instagram

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Speaker 2: doesn't mean it is in real life.

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Speaker 1: Right, everybody's putting their best life up there, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's not the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

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Speaker 3: I love that.

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Speaker 1: My takeaway today from you, I've never heard that. Feel

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Speaker 1: it don't dwell.

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Speaker 3: Feel it well, I've never heard that. I made it

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Speaker 3: up myself. It helps that it rhymes.

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Speaker 1: That's really that if we're taking anything away from this

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Speaker 1: podcast which I will I learn from you today. Feel

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Speaker 1: it well, don't dwell. That's so good on so many

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Speaker 1: levels because it applies to business, it applies to breakups,

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Speaker 1: it applies to your family when you're dealing with the holidays.

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Speaker 1: Feel it well, don't dwell, and have a good holiday.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Elsie, thanks for the enlightenment, and thank you guys

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Speaker 1: for listening. Always enjoy talking to you, and we will

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