Speaker 1: The vilume.
Speaker 2: Welcome in. Got some topics today about coaches and quarterbacks,
Speaker 2: and I want to start. John Middelkoff will joined us
Speaker 2: in about fifteen minutes. I want to start with the
Speaker 2: Broncos and Russell Wilson and Sean Payton's thirty five thirty
Speaker 2: three loss to the Commanders. They had Hail Mary at
Speaker 2: the end and had they converted the two point conversion,
Speaker 2: we would have gone to overtime. But I had said
Speaker 2: this before. I didn't think Russell played particularly well. Eighteen
Speaker 2: of thirty two, three hundred yards, had a really really
Speaker 2: bad pick. He does not have the juice he had previously.
Speaker 2: And I thought there were large portions of the game
Speaker 2: that Sam Howell was much more mobile, much more of
Speaker 2: a playmaker, and was frankly better from the pocket. And
Speaker 2: Sam How's not as good as Russell Wilson shouldn't be. Also,
Speaker 2: Russell Wilson as Sean Payton a coaching edge. And I
Speaker 2: said this before, is you don't have to be friends
Speaker 2: with your coach. You don't have to be Belichick and
Speaker 2: Brady didn't have dinner for twenty years, but there were
Speaker 2: a lot of things they did have in common. Both
Speaker 2: were driven, aspirational, no nonsense adults. Russell Wilson and Sean
Speaker 2: Payton have the opposite personality. One is harsh, authentic to
Speaker 2: the point, doesn't beat around the bush, doesn't care about
Speaker 2: being polished, and is willing to be intense vocally. And
Speaker 2: then there's Russell Wilson, who is polished, optimistic, refined. And
Speaker 2: by the way, it's okay for a quarterback to be
Speaker 2: more optimistic than pessimistic because people make mistakes. You play
Speaker 2: with young guys, you want Brady try to be optimistic.
Speaker 2: But sometimes optimism can veer away from realism. And so
Speaker 2: in order for Russell Wilson and Sean Payton to work,
Speaker 2: they have to win games. You can't go zero and
Speaker 2: two to start the season, both games in Denver. You
Speaker 2: can't lose to Sam Howell and Ron Rivera as a favorite.
Speaker 2: You can't lose back to back games as a favorite
Speaker 2: against the Raider and the Commanders. And so this relationship
Speaker 2: only works because the personalities are so different. It only
Speaker 2: works if they win these close games and they're zero.
Speaker 2: And to the very first day he had the opportunity
Speaker 2: he did. Sean Payton acquired Jarrett Stidham for a pretty
Speaker 2: healthy backup quarterback salary, which told you when he got
Speaker 2: to Denver, the first thing he did was look at
Speaker 2: Russell Wilson film. How do I know, because he told
Speaker 2: me that was the first thing he was going to do.
Speaker 2: He was going to look at all his plays. What
Speaker 2: does he do well? What doesn't he do well? Let's
Speaker 2: avoid the latter, let's go toward the former. So he
Speaker 2: obviously saw stuff on film where he wanted somebody who
Speaker 2: could sit in the pocket and make throws. Remember in
Speaker 2: New Orleans, once Drew Brees got older, they had Taysom Hill,
Speaker 2: they had Jameis Winston, they had Teddy Bridgewater. He was
Speaker 2: cycling people through as Drew Brees aged. Well. Russell Wilson
Speaker 2: is thirty four and he looks like he's thirty nine.
Speaker 2: He just simply does not move as well as he
Speaker 2: did four years ago. I don't know if some of
Speaker 2: it's confidence emotional, no major surgeries. Thirty four plays much
Speaker 2: much older than his age. Brady obviously played much younger
Speaker 2: than his age. Aaron Rodgers largely plays younger pre injury
Speaker 2: than his age. But this thing doesn't work, and you know, again,
Speaker 2: the hail Mary makes this game look more competitive. Very
Speaker 2: early on Denver scripted plays had some success that Sean
Speaker 2: Payton doing the work. But when you get to late
Speaker 2: first quarter, second quarter, third quarter, early fourth that's quarterback play,
Speaker 2: that's pre snap, that's you quarterback line of scrimmage. Quarterbacks
Speaker 2: I don't even like Daniel Jones had very very good
Speaker 2: fourth quarter, late third quarters today, just on athleticism and
Speaker 2: some big time throws. So I think this, I think
Speaker 2: they're headed for major turbulence in Denver next year, starting
Speaker 2: next year for five years. This is a massively punitive
Speaker 2: contract to the Broncos with a coach and a quarterback
Speaker 2: with completely different personalities. And I think there's nothing wrong
Speaker 2: with being optimistic, but I think it gets frustrating when
Speaker 2: somebody's really optimistic and there's obvious problems. I mean, I
Speaker 2: like optimistic people. I don't like negative people. But you know,
Speaker 2: if the walls are caving in, you know we're in
Speaker 2: the middle of an earthquake. I don't want optimism. I
Speaker 2: want to figure out a way to get safe and
Speaker 2: clean the house up. And so I think we're looking
Speaker 2: at a situation here in Denver. This is only going
Speaker 2: to get worse. The schedule's only going to get tougher
Speaker 2: now they go on the road. And again, if you
Speaker 2: watch the game, and I did, once they got off
Speaker 2: scripted plays, second, third, quarter, fourth, I thought Sam Howe
Speaker 2: played more confidently. Really really hard to figure out. Never
Speaker 2: seen a quarterback have it, lose it without a major
Speaker 2: injury pre thirty five years old. Never seen it. I
Speaker 2: have no comp Speaking of quarterback trouble, you can blame
Speaker 2: the coach or blame the quarterback. Justin field right now
Speaker 2: doesn't look like a franchise quarterback. I don't know if
Speaker 2: you can't see the field or anticipate. But they spend
Speaker 2: some money on that offense. The offensive line isn't great,
Speaker 2: but it's not as bad as others in the league.
Speaker 2: I mean, you can watch the way they coach him.
Speaker 2: They so badly want to control the clock, run, speed
Speaker 2: the game up, shorten it. DJ Moore is a really
Speaker 2: good player. If they got good tight ends. Luke Getz,
Speaker 2: he's a respected offensive coordinator. It just doesn't work. So
Speaker 2: you're going to have a situation in Chicago. You got
Speaker 2: to blame somebody. Somebody is done after the season, is it.
Speaker 2: Matt Eberflu's the head coach that was Bill Pollion's choice.
Speaker 2: The ownership of the Bears called Bill Pollion and said,
Speaker 2: kind of run our coaching search and Bill Matt Eberflus. Now,
Speaker 2: I'm a believer that if you have a young quarterback,
Speaker 2: higher an offensive coach, if you have a veteran quarterback, okay,
Speaker 2: then you can go defensive coach.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I think there's pretty clear evidence that the Jared Goff's
Speaker 2: career was saved by Sean McVay. Brock Perty's career has
Speaker 2: been elevated by Kyle Shanahan. Shane Steichen has done wonders
Speaker 2: with Anthony Richardson, who barely played college football. I think
Speaker 2: young quarterbacks in the substantial guidance and a softer landing
Speaker 2: after bad outcomes, and sometimes defensive coaches can be tone deaf.
Speaker 2: Matty e Nflus maybe a good coach. I don't know
Speaker 2: if he's good for justin fields. But it doesn't work.
Speaker 2: I mean, it doesn't work at all. It's it's just bad.
Speaker 2: I mean, you can it's like Zack Wilson of the Jets.
Speaker 2: Zach isn't just the only reason the Jets lost Michael
Speaker 2: Parsons ate him up, but it doesn't work. Zack's not
Speaker 2: a He's not a franchise quarterback. Now, Justin's bigger, stronger arm,
Speaker 2: maybe bigger athlete. Both are really mobile. But you know,
Speaker 2: Greg Cosell came on my show this week and said,
Speaker 2: Zach Wilson and Justin Fields don't see the field particularly well.
Speaker 2: They just leave completions in the pocket. Somebody's got to
Speaker 2: take the blame for this because we're now, what is
Speaker 2: Justin Fields? He is five and twenty two in twenty
Speaker 2: seven starts. I mean, these are winnable games at home
Speaker 2: against Jordan Love, on the road against Baker Mayfield. Again,
Speaker 2: these look like W's coaching. Mccordy are making more money
Speaker 2: than they ever had, and they're going to get fired
Speaker 2: faster than ever. And also, remember this is the best
Speaker 2: college quarterback class I've ever seen. Michael Pennox, Caleb Williams,
Speaker 2: Shador Sanders, Bo Knicks, Travis, Jordan, Drake, may Riley Leonard
Speaker 2: at Duke. There's at least six quarterbacks. What's that going
Speaker 2: to do? Gms are going to be much less patient
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Speaker 2: here we are again. It's like a repeat of last week.
Speaker 2: So Brandon Staley's defense could not stop Ryan Tannehill the
Speaker 2: last time he had the ball in the fourth, Nor
Speaker 2: could they stop Ryan Tannehill in his big possession in overtime,
Speaker 2: Ryan Tannehill. When an offense that's searching for a second receiver,
Speaker 2: you can blame Justin Herbert. But Justin Herbert has averaged
Speaker 2: more points in his first three year starting than any
Speaker 2: quarterback including Patrick Mahomes, Dan Marino, John Elway in league history.
Speaker 2: It's not an offensive problem. That's not the problem. Brandon
Speaker 2: Staley and Brian Dabele interviewed for the Chargers job. Brian
Speaker 2: Dabele is who I would have hired. Staley was cheaper,
Speaker 2: and he was on the Rams staff, and perhaps the
Speaker 2: Spanos family felt like, you know, we can pluck him
Speaker 2: away and slow down the momentum of the Rams. Maybe
Speaker 2: that's what they were thinking. But Brandon Staley had much
Speaker 2: less experience in football. So much of the Rams' success
Speaker 2: is centered around Sean McVeigh. You have to be careful
Speaker 2: about plucking people from his staff. We know that Daboll
Speaker 2: resurrected Josh Allen and got Daniel Jones to the playoffs.
Speaker 2: I just think they hired the wrong coach. I watched
Speaker 2: this defense, Bosa Derwin, James J. C. Jackson. They've drafted well,
Speaker 2: they could probably use another interior defensive lineman. But by
Speaker 2: and large, this is an experienced defense that brought back
Speaker 2: almost all their starters. Like they're a team that shouldn't
Speaker 2: be fooled or out of sync like they were against Miami. Okay,
Speaker 2: it's Miami, but again the last two big possessions by Tennessee.
Speaker 2: Tennessee can't get a stop. So the Spanos family has
Speaker 2: never paid a lot of money for coaches, so they're
Speaker 2: not going to run him in season. Plus they made
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Speaker 2: are fantastic. The Chargers individual writer this week kind of
Speaker 2: looked back at the Miami game and picked it apart
Speaker 2: on some confusion in the secondary, and his primary issue was,
Speaker 2: these guys are all returning, how can they make so
Speaker 2: many mistakes on third and long and coverages. You can
Speaker 2: see it on television. They just can't make big stops. So,
Speaker 2: you know, it was interesting. I was talking to Chad
Speaker 2: Millman this week. He comes on for Sharper square and
Speaker 2: he said, this is a major coaching mismatch, which is why,
Speaker 2: by the way, I thought Denver would win today. I
Speaker 2: thought it was a coaching mismatch. But Brandon Staley, I mean,
Speaker 2: you're that front office right now, the Spano says Tom
Speaker 2: to let's go the GM. I can assure you they're
Speaker 2: not happy, and I do believe one of the reasons
Speaker 2: they brought Kellen Moore over not only did they feel
Speaker 2: it was an upgrade, but they were concerned on what
Speaker 2: they saw in the first two years of Brandon Staley's defense.
Speaker 2: And my guess is Kellen Moore, I don't know if
Speaker 2: it would happen at the end of the season or Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2: This team is just simply too talented to be zero
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Speaker 2: There's almost no holes. I've been reluctant for years to
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Speaker 2: n The crown is yours all right, John Middlecoff, I
Speaker 2: didn't love that reversal on the I would have just
Speaker 2: given it to him because I could. You can't tell
Speaker 2: when that first round offensive lineman, I think he was
Speaker 2: a first or a second round pick for them, the
Speaker 2: rookie at people kind of that dubious pick. He's actually
Speaker 2: been a really good player strange. I didn't love and
Speaker 2: I don't blame officials, but I didn't love that reversal.
Speaker 1: I would have let it go.
Speaker 2: I got to tell you something, that game never felt close.
Speaker 2: The fact that New England was driving you know, I
Speaker 2: don't want to be overly critical of Belichick because he
Speaker 2: is the smartest coach ever, and just being clever doesn't
Speaker 2: necessarily win you Super Bowls. But the Niners have the
Speaker 2: best personnel in the league.
Speaker 1: I believe that.
Speaker 2: I think Miami if you count head coach and then
Speaker 2: coordinator on the other side of the ball from the
Speaker 2: head coach, I think you can make an argument Miami
Speaker 2: is the best coach team in the league. Between Fangio
Speaker 2: and this sort of sporadic pass, his blitzes, his coverages.
Speaker 2: I think McDaniel is so clever it's like a version
Speaker 2: of the forty nine ers.
Speaker 3: Well, he's an Ivy League Shanahan right, the Ivy League guy.
Speaker 3: The Shanahan family have known him for twenty years. He's
Speaker 3: Kyle's right hand guy. They loved him. It speaks for
Speaker 3: itself what they're doing. Think how many guys Obviously Tyreek
Speaker 3: was an established player when they traded for him, and
Speaker 3: they traded a lot and paid him a lot. But
Speaker 3: how often when the little guy who's five to nine
Speaker 3: a buck eighty but he's really fast is drafted really
Speaker 3: high in the draft. It feels like they don't hit
Speaker 3: a lot. And Waddle is a home run. I mean
Speaker 3: that guy is a stud. So between those two guys
Speaker 3: and Motor, the speed they have, I mean it was
Speaker 3: evident tonight. I was watching thinking if the Patriots, if
Speaker 3: you put some of the Brady offenses on this team,
Speaker 3: they would be fantastic. They're going on special teams, their
Speaker 3: defense is really solid. Offensively in twenty twenty three, just
Speaker 3: a little behind the times.
Speaker 1: It's just not gonna work.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, if you put Jalen Waddle on the Patriots,
Speaker 2: you'd have a real team exactly. They just don't have
Speaker 2: any juice and a lot of these low percentage up
Speaker 2: the sideline routes where even if you catch it, you're
Speaker 2: off and out of bounds. Bill O'Brien, New England feels outdated,
Speaker 2: like they do things that are still very important, like
Speaker 2: not a lot of penalties turnovers. They play good defense,
Speaker 2: but you really, I mean, listen, it's like any other culture, John,
Speaker 2: the rules have all changed. It's such a benefit to
Speaker 2: be an offensive coach. I last week, ten of the
Speaker 2: top eleven rated offensive lines according to PFF, had offensive
Speaker 2: head coaches. And I just feel like New England struggled
Speaker 2: a little bit upfront and protection tonight. They don't have
Speaker 2: a lot of juice on the outside. I think San
Speaker 2: Francisco is the best team I've seen so far this year.
Speaker 2: I think Miami's the second best team in the league.
Speaker 1: I just I don't.
Speaker 2: Necessarily, I don't trust their offensive line. But then I
Speaker 2: watched again tonight and I thought it was pretty good,
Speaker 2: especially when they ran the ball guard center guard on
Speaker 2: New England. I was like, maybe they can play power football.
Speaker 2: They did tonight.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, most has been a starting running back
Speaker 3: on a team that was in the Super Bowl. I mean,
Speaker 3: he's he's a really good player if he stays healthy. Fangio.
Speaker 3: They mentioned this on the broadcast. Obviously, you know New
Speaker 3: England's offense isn't the Chargers offense, but tweak some stuff
Speaker 3: change with the defensive line. I mean, he's elite, and
Speaker 3: I'm sure he's probably the highest, you know, highest compensated
Speaker 3: defensive coordinator in the NFL. I mean, he probably makes
Speaker 3: five million dollars or something a year, so he's he's
Speaker 3: the real deal. I think that if they keep two
Speaker 3: on the field, I mean they do a lot of
Speaker 3: They don't ask him to sit back seven step drop
Speaker 3: and just like it's a lot of getting the ball,
Speaker 3: you know, getting rid of the ball quickly. Those two
Speaker 3: wide receivers get opened so fast that what are you
Speaker 3: gonna do. You're not gonna press them because you're terrified
Speaker 3: they're gonna run by you. You play off, you get
Speaker 3: it to him quickly and then get by you. Those
Speaker 3: two guys are just an elite combination, which it's not
Speaker 3: normal for small guys, two small guys to be able
Speaker 3: to dominate, but they just are on the upper end
Speaker 3: of Obviously, Tyreek's the Hall of Famer, and I think
Speaker 3: Waddle is one of the better young just players in
Speaker 3: the league.
Speaker 2: Yeah, tonight, when you juxtapose these two teams, it was
Speaker 2: ready And I said this Friday on the Herd, I said,
Speaker 2: it's going to be a clash of cultures. It's like
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety eight football in twenty twenty three football and
Speaker 2: the newer version one. It was just a matter again,
Speaker 2: if you gave New England one elite number one receiver,
Speaker 2: this team can play with anybody, because that's what they're missing.
Speaker 2: The question was can Miami play physical football like New England?
Speaker 2: And I think it was answered tonight. They had a
Speaker 2: more consistent pass rush. They ran the football between the tackles.
Speaker 2: It was like, Wow, Miami can play power football too
Speaker 2: with Mike McDaniel, which is, by the way, that system
Speaker 2: is built ideally to be able to do both. San
Speaker 2: Francisco does both. So Miami and San Francisco those are
Speaker 2: the two best teams I've seen it. Do you dispute
Speaker 2: that anybody else you've seen?
Speaker 1: No, I mean San Francisco today.
Speaker 3: I thought I had their cea game and one pretty easily,
Speaker 3: So yeah, they looked pretty good. The AFC, I mean
Speaker 3: there's just obviously the Bengals Ro zero and two, the Chiefs,
Speaker 3: they'll be fine, but they're not playing very well right now.
Speaker 3: The Chargers are in shambles. We'll see tomorrow with the
Speaker 3: Dealers in the Browns. But yeah, I mean the Bills.
Speaker 3: You know, they played the Raiders, who defensively have been
Speaker 3: shitty for a decade. But I'm with you on Miami.
Speaker 3: I think they got it, just because I believe in
Speaker 3: Vic Fangio. Don't love the personnel, but he's such a
Speaker 3: good coach. They'll figure it out. And who knows, maybe
Speaker 3: Jalen Ramsey they're able to get him back by December.
Speaker 3: That could be a huge boost, right. But I think
Speaker 3: with New England, and I never understood when Kyle Shanahan,
Speaker 3: who clearly wanted a draft and number three, he talked
Speaker 3: out of it. I don't view him ever as a
Speaker 3: first round pick, like I don't take guys like him
Speaker 3: and can he pickt in the first round.
Speaker 1: I just don't.
Speaker 3: Cousins and Dax, these guys go. That talent level goes
Speaker 3: later in the draft. Now, if you are going to
Speaker 3: hit on that guy, he's got to be pretty flawless
Speaker 3: in terms of not turning the ball over last week,
Speaker 3: air mails ball pick six to the volume slay this week.
Speaker 3: I mean that pick. You can say all their guys
Speaker 3: don't get open, but you just can't throw. You're just
Speaker 3: throwing it right to the other team. And that's that's
Speaker 3: the thing with New England, the mistakes, the mistakes. I
Speaker 3: was at the Frisdo State game last night at Arizona
Speaker 3: State and a lot of former players, a lot of
Speaker 3: Pat Hill used to send a lot of guys to
Speaker 3: New England, and talking to these guys the you know
Speaker 3: in the two thousands in their heyday before the second
Speaker 3: half of the dynasty, the discipline and the mandates for zero,
Speaker 3: you know, excuses of miss assignments, screw ups. Turn it
Speaker 3: just was not allowed because it started with Tom and
Speaker 3: it went all the way down everyone.
Speaker 1: Any moment you screwed up, you get cut.
Speaker 3: Obviously, No, they weren't cutting Tom, but it was just
Speaker 3: and you just watch them now, it's like the mistakes.
Speaker 3: You can't really cut Mac, but they're kind of just
Speaker 3: in the boat with them. They can't go anywhere else.
Speaker 3: And he's a he's a turnover machine right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And the other thing was in New England's heyday for
Speaker 2: most of the dynasty, I viewed them as smarter than
Speaker 2: other teams. I watched teams like Baltimore come into town
Speaker 2: with more talent, and the Ray Lewis teams, the Steelers
Speaker 2: had more talent.
Speaker 1: There were years the.
Speaker 2: Colts did, Denver did, but New England out smarted you.
Speaker 2: They would dial up a trick play late in the
Speaker 2: third quarter that you know Edelman throwing the on field
Speaker 2: special teams. I don't feel New England's a smart team
Speaker 2: when I watched them, I think they're a team that
Speaker 2: lacks speed. They don't they're not Their schemes aren't smarter.
Speaker 2: They're not fooling people. They're turning the ball over if
Speaker 2: you They never had to be the most athletic team
Speaker 2: or the best roster, but they were good. They had playmakers.
Speaker 2: I mean even Wes Welker Edelman, they had a playmaker,
Speaker 2: Feel Gronk, Aaron Hernandez, didn't have to be Randy Moss playmakers.
Speaker 2: They got no playmakers Kendrick Bourne's Devonte Parkers. And they're
Speaker 2: not terribly smart. They make the same mistakes everybody else does. Now,
Speaker 2: I think one of the things you have to I
Speaker 2: was spent the weekend in Chicago, flew back this morning
Speaker 2: as I came into the season, Sam, I'm about fifty
Speaker 2: five sixty percent in the Justin Fields is gonna make it.
Speaker 2: But I don't love what I see as a passer.
Speaker 2: I mean, I thought today it was bad, Like you
Speaker 2: fly home. He's blaming the OC. I think you fly
Speaker 2: home and they're people having discussions in that team upstairs
Speaker 2: on that staff that are don't believe in him. That's
Speaker 2: my takeaway is you got to win that game against
Speaker 2: Tampa Bay and Baker Mayfield, and Baker Mayfield was far
Speaker 2: more productive. Like they've that offensive line for Chicago it's
Speaker 2: not elite. It's not it's you know, it's not Philadelphia, John.
Speaker 2: It's not that bad. There was time today to make plays.
Speaker 1: He's not very good, Colin. It's it's just that simple.
Speaker 1: He's not. Right now, he's a low level NFL quarterback.
Speaker 2: YEP.
Speaker 3: Of all the thirty two starters, he's much closer to
Speaker 3: thirty two right now than he is twenty. I watched
Speaker 3: that game, and there were a lot of good games
Speaker 3: on this morning, but every single time that they were
Speaker 3: on offense, I clicked back to it. I thought, One,
Speaker 3: he's just not very naturally accurate. He's not that really
Speaker 3: stands out. And you know a lot is made of
Speaker 3: seeing the field and stuff, and that's Kyle Shanahan. When
Speaker 3: they made that trade, it was a two horse race.
Speaker 3: He didn't even mess with him. He was not even
Speaker 3: in consideration because he thought he did not see the field,
Speaker 3: he did not anticipate, and coaches, I think sometimes see
Speaker 3: that better than like the front office scouting, because that's
Speaker 3: you know that they scheme the offense. But there were
Speaker 3: a couple of plays today on just like wheel routes
Speaker 3: and just balls in the flat where he is throwing
Speaker 3: ninety nine min on our fastballs at guy's feet. You
Speaker 3: don't need to throw to throw a change up, but
Speaker 3: he can't really and obviously now his confidence. He's just
Speaker 3: he's a bad player. And you can tell me all
Speaker 3: you want. Win loss record is not a quarterback stat.
Speaker 1: Bullshit.
Speaker 3: I mean, all the good quarterbacks wine, He's not like
Speaker 3: they didn't have a chance. I mean, Baker Mayfield looked
Speaker 3: like Drew Brees right out to him on the same
Speaker 3: field now and Baker's playing pretty well.
Speaker 1: But yeah, justin fields, was that was bad? That was
Speaker 1: really really bad.
Speaker 2: I's kind of rolled my eyes at the quarterback. It's
Speaker 2: winning is not a quarterback stat. Twenty seven starts five
Speaker 2: and twenty two. Come on, Dan Marino didn't win super Bowls.
Speaker 2: Dan Marino won a lot of games, okay, and not
Speaker 2: always not with always you know, great person. Well, Brett
Speaker 2: Farv won a lot of games without Pro Bowl wide receivers.
Speaker 2: There's three or four plays in every football game that
Speaker 2: high end quarterbacks make Mac Jones tonight on that final drive.
Speaker 2: Some of those play he just doesn't move well enough.
Speaker 2: And I think what happens John in situations like this
Speaker 2: is for instance, Herbert I saw some stat in his
Speaker 2: last like four starts, you know, he's sixty six percent
Speaker 2: completion percentage, ninety eight passer rating, thirteen hundred yards. They're
Speaker 2: zero to four, and nobody looks at Justin Herbert and
Speaker 2: says it's Justin's fault. They're putting up twenty six twenty
Speaker 2: eight a game. This is different. You may not love
Speaker 2: the coach, but what happens when you don't love the quarterback.
Speaker 2: So here's the thing. I think it would be a
Speaker 2: tougher decision for Chicago. But if you're the GM and
Speaker 2: you're the owner, and you have a draft coming up
Speaker 2: with six to seven first round quarterbacks and all of them,
Speaker 2: I mean, Drake May, Shader Sanders, Caleb Williams, Mike Pennix
Speaker 2: is having a season crushing it. It's like, okay, all
Speaker 2: of these guys look like modern Even boon Nicks looks
Speaker 2: better this year. So I do think it's easier to
Speaker 2: move off. It's easier to move off justin fields than
Speaker 2: maybe any other year. And I'm sorry their offensive personnel, John,
Speaker 2: It's not that bad.
Speaker 1: It's not.
Speaker 3: I think it's a two prong question. Now, one, do
Speaker 3: you leave justin fields? It's an easy one because you
Speaker 3: just watch him every week. Even the fans will agree
Speaker 3: he's not good enough. It's not one of those that
Speaker 3: it'll be universal. It is growing by the week. I mean,
Speaker 3: my mom can tell the guy is not a very
Speaker 3: good player at this point, this GM and coach didn't
Speaker 3: draft him. Then you look at the coach and the GM.
Speaker 3: Are they the right people to do this moving forward?
Speaker 3: They traded for Chase Claypool last week pick thirty two.
Speaker 3: I'm sure you saw that viral video going around. That's
Speaker 3: a good example a good organization. Okay, the pickslong Gaunt
Speaker 3: cut the guy after week one? What are you gonna do?
Speaker 3: Lose more games? You're already losing. How do you allow
Speaker 3: that to happen? And to me, you just questioned the
Speaker 3: operation there. Obviously, Eberflus, is he good enough?
Speaker 1: I got no clue.
Speaker 3: So you're gonna draft Pennix because they're gonna be in position,
Speaker 3: not just with their pick, but remember we've talked about
Speaker 3: this with Carolina's pick, so even if they're at like
Speaker 3: three and six, they could easily maybe get up a spot.
Speaker 3: They're gonna have a ton of options, right, But are
Speaker 3: these people the group to do it. We've seen them
Speaker 3: make moves. The draft one was relatively easy. They had Carolina,
Speaker 3: you know, kind of bent over a barrel on that one.
Speaker 3: But some of these other moves, it's like, do they
Speaker 3: know what they're doing? Especially the defensive coach you always
Speaker 3: talked talk about this, so I don't know. I mean
Speaker 3: people in the NFL, it's always easy to say, well,
Speaker 3: just tank for this guy. Well that's true for the fans,
Speaker 3: but we see coaches all the time. Todd Bowle is
Speaker 3: a good example. O Tampa just sucked. Try to get
Speaker 3: Kayleb Williams. Todd Bowle's not thinking like that. Mike Evans
Speaker 3: and those guys aren't thinking a lot. Baker's not thinking
Speaker 3: like that. So they're not I don't know if they're
Speaker 3: gonna be a ten win team, but they're gonna try
Speaker 3: like hell to be eight nine wins. Right, So the
Speaker 3: Bears are just gonna suck because that's the quarterback not
Speaker 3: any good. But do the other if if they were
Speaker 3: in position with better personnel, would they be doing better?
Speaker 3: Like are these guys capable? We see it with Brandon
Speaker 3: Staley right clear, he's not good. He's been given a
Speaker 3: team that if you flip flop him and Vrabel.
Speaker 1: You'd be like, well, the charge are gonna win thirteen
Speaker 1: games and Titans would win what fucking five? I mean,
Speaker 1: they'd be terrible.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it's great example. I want to I want
Speaker 2: to pivot to that because Brandon Staley got into it
Speaker 2: again with a reporter on the postgame press conference, and
Speaker 2: he is feeling the heat. And I know the Chargers
Speaker 2: in house don't love Staley snipping at reporters. He comes
Speaker 2: across as sort of a know it all and condescending.
Speaker 2: McVeigh doesn't. I think you've said it before. Brandon Staley's acting,
Speaker 2: pretending to be a coach, and Sean McVay is a coach.
Speaker 2: But it was another example today where Ryan Tannehill's final
Speaker 2: drive in regulation, they couldn't make a stop. Ryan Tannehill's
Speaker 2: driving overtime, they couldn't make a stop. Not only do
Speaker 2: they have a Bosa on the edge, but they returned.
Speaker 2: I think like ten starters, they're not and they have
Speaker 2: two draft picks both especially two of from USC the edge.
Speaker 2: They are good players. I mean they they Tom Selesko
Speaker 2: is one of the better drafters in the league. First
Speaker 2: four picks, Yeah, he just doesn't miss. Now, you could
Speaker 2: say Khalil Mack was overpaid, but the truth is at
Speaker 2: that time they needed somebody like having two pass rushers.
Speaker 2: Herbert wasn't making any money. Your left tackle Rashaan Slater's
Speaker 2: not making money. You can pay two pass rushers. I
Speaker 2: don't think the Spanoses will eject Staley this year. But
Speaker 2: let me throw this at you. Did they hire Kellen
Speaker 2: Moore with an eye on making him the coach? Because
Speaker 2: the Spanoses don't pay a fortune, you don't have to
Speaker 2: pay Kellen Moore twelve million dollars I would guess today
Speaker 2: Kellen Moore the coach next year. I don't know if
Speaker 2: they replace him mid season. But like a when a
Speaker 2: coach is arguing with the press and calling them out
Speaker 2: by name, like to me, that feels personal and defensive, Well, I.
Speaker 1: Think sometimes they're gonna be different.
Speaker 3: Sides do arguments sometimes when it comes to play calling
Speaker 3: or individual player. I think everyone's in agreement here. The
Speaker 3: Chargers don't have a good enough coach for the team
Speaker 3: that they have, and most people thought this offseason, Yes,
Speaker 3: Sean Payton in your backyard, He's already in LA.
Speaker 1: He likes it.
Speaker 3: He clearly loves your quarterback. Anyone that follows this team
Speaker 3: knows he was never gonna pay him money. That's not
Speaker 3: the way they operate. Look at their last several coaches, McCoy,
Speaker 3: Anthony Lynn, and these guys on the on the hierarchy
Speaker 3: of NFL salaries are near the bottom. If Mike, aren't
Speaker 3: they I mean they're the cheapest. So yeah, I think
Speaker 3: Kellen Moore, I think there's a chance you're oher to
Speaker 3: four to OHO and five and you keep losing games
Speaker 3: which you can't pick them to win moving forward, just
Speaker 3: because you can't trust the head coach and the defenses
Speaker 3: and shambles. But yeah, I could see them, you know,
Speaker 3: kind of pulling the trigger because there was clearly pressure
Speaker 3: coming into this season.
Speaker 1: He feels it. Think about some of the moves they made.
Speaker 1: I'm with you on Khalil Mack.
Speaker 3: But a big reason they wanted Khalil Mack because this
Speaker 3: guy had coached him, helped make his name with Khalil
Speaker 3: Mack back when Khalil Mack was good. They gave up
Speaker 3: a second round pick. He makes a lot of money.
Speaker 3: I love Khalil Mack as a young player. He's a
Speaker 3: shell of himself. He's not very good.
Speaker 2: J C.
Speaker 1: Jackson.
Speaker 3: You spend a lot of much that's not working out.
Speaker 3: Now he got hurt, but so you allocate a lot
Speaker 3: of resources.
Speaker 1: It's not working.
Speaker 3: Your head coach has nothing to do with the offense
Speaker 3: or the quarterback. So if the defense sucks, what's he
Speaker 3: really doing. He's not like some raw ram motivator Mike Tomlin,
Speaker 3: Nick Saban, Deon Sanders, that's not his deal. I think
Speaker 3: he's in major trouble. I mean I because he's not
Speaker 3: that expensive to fire. Real It's not like you're firing
Speaker 3: Andy Reader Sean Payton where you have an eighty million
Speaker 3: dollar payout. I think there are a couple losses away
Speaker 3: from just just doing that, you know, and almost and
Speaker 3: almost getting a free interview Colin with Kellen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm getting I'm looking at some numbers right now.
Speaker 2: So if anybody's watching this on YouTube, I'm looking at
Speaker 2: some numbers because, as you know, they threw for almost
Speaker 2: five hundred yards and tonight again, I think the Chargers
Speaker 2: have better personnel overall than the Patriots do defensively. And
Speaker 2: remember the Patriots were missing two corners and one got hurt.
Speaker 2: Threw for two hundred and forty nine yards and an
Speaker 2: interception against New England. Against the Chargers of more talented defense,
Speaker 2: he almost threw for five hundred yards and three touchdowns. Tonight,
Speaker 2: Tua struggled to a dropped a couple of snaps. Tua
Speaker 2: was pressured. So there's a prime example, is that to
Speaker 2: a one. But he he sputtered for a while. He
Speaker 2: wasn't perfect a lot of the stuff with yards after catch.
Speaker 2: He almost got double the yards against the Chargers that
Speaker 2: he did against New England, and the Chargers have better personnel.
Speaker 1: Well, think about this. You watched the Bengals the last
Speaker 1: couple weeks.
Speaker 3: You go, well, if Joe Burrow's gonna look like this, yeah,
Speaker 3: they're gonna lose like they He's got to play better.
Speaker 3: I don't know if his CAF's issue. He just looks
Speaker 3: off the IT test. It does not look like Joe Burrow.
Speaker 3: Now last year he started slow, whatever, But it's understandable.
Speaker 3: If Joe Burrow is gonna play like crap, the Bengals
Speaker 3: are gonna lose. Well, Herbert's played well, you know, they
Speaker 3: keep scoring points. He looks like a really good quarterback
Speaker 3: and they keep losing. The Dolphins last week. Okay, it
Speaker 3: turns out maybe the Dolphins fourteen win team, this Titans team.
Speaker 1: I mean, how many guys were the Titans would start
Speaker 1: for the for the Chargers. And to me, it's just simple.
Speaker 3: It's a coaching It's like Patrick Mahomes versus Justin Fields something.
Speaker 1: The mismatch is so so wide that of course they lost.
Speaker 1: Because Mike Vrabel is an elite coach.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they have their defensive interior defensive lineman for Tennessee.
Speaker 1: He had a Simmons is good je he's a star.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they've got about two or three other guys
Speaker 2: that you would obviously get run. But it was a
Speaker 2: lobsided game today. And I think, even though I was
Speaker 2: reading something on the internet yesterday about it, like the
Speaker 2: wise guys like the Titans simply because they thought it
Speaker 2: was a coaching one of the worst coaching mismatches in
Speaker 2: the league this year. So, I mean, we might as
Speaker 2: well talk Dallas and the Jets. I think I think Dallas,
Speaker 2: you know, there's not a lot of great quarterbacks in
Speaker 2: this league. There's about six great ones and another six
Speaker 2: good ones. Anybody that's not on that list is not
Speaker 2: beating Dallas this year. Now Jalen Hurts can Daniel Jones can't.
Speaker 2: He can't beat him. Sam Sam Hall can't beat him.
Speaker 2: Zach Wilson can't beat him. I mean I look at
Speaker 2: Dallas and I go up and down their schedule, and
Speaker 2: the way I look at that defense John is there's
Speaker 2: about six quarterbacks in this league that can beat him,
Speaker 2: and another four or five that if they get protection,
Speaker 2: you know it'll be a close game. I think Dallas's
Speaker 2: defense is gonna win the twelve games. I think Dak
Speaker 2: is not.
Speaker 1: The story.
Speaker 2: Is Micah Parsons the best defensive player in the league.
Speaker 3: Well, he had a play today on I think his
Speaker 3: first sac. He was at full speed in half a
Speaker 3: step on a little stunt. It's like, what are you
Speaker 3: supposed to do with this here? I was way too
Speaker 3: young to really remember, you know, watch LT's prime, but
Speaker 3: that has to be some of what it looked like.
Speaker 3: The speed, the violence, the closing ability, how you can
Speaker 3: move them around like a chess piece. I thought this
Speaker 3: last year in the second round they went toe to
Speaker 3: toe with the Niners, who are clearly, if not the
Speaker 3: most but right there now with Dallas is the most
Speaker 3: physical team. I mean, they are violent on defense, and
Speaker 3: the Cowboys were ready to win a championship on defense,
Speaker 3: but Dak threw the two picks and that the game
Speaker 3: was tight. Perdy didn't play that well because it's hard
Speaker 3: against the Cowboys. This defense feels even a little bit better.
Speaker 3: Maybe Micah's five percent better. All the guys have played
Speaker 3: together a little longer. They kept Dan Quinn.
Speaker 1: I'm with you.
Speaker 3: I picked Dallas to win the East at the beginning
Speaker 3: of the year, not because I don't think highly of
Speaker 3: the Eagles. I think both of them are thirteen fourteen
Speaker 3: win teams. But I've seen what the Niners do. Separating
Speaker 3: with an elite defense and an elite pass rush, it
Speaker 3: just takes over. I mean, Zach Wilson, listen, has he
Speaker 3: improved it?
Speaker 1: Who knows?
Speaker 3: You weren't gonna find much out this week. Probably have
Speaker 3: a better idea next week, but he's playing Belichick. But
Speaker 3: that team, I'm telling you, if they just need to
Speaker 3: get the four game stretch, if they stay healthy like
Speaker 3: Eli gott like Joe Flacco got whe Dad could just
Speaker 3: under control. They don't need the wild card game where
Speaker 3: he throws five touchdowns every week. Can he just play
Speaker 3: a couple games stretch where he's not throwing the ball
Speaker 3: to the other team, and they can win a Super
Speaker 3: Bowl because that's how good the defense is.
Speaker 1: The same with the Niners. The Niners could have won
Speaker 1: several Super Bowls. Their defense was right there. Jimmy just
Speaker 1: let him down a couple times.
Speaker 2: Well look at this. So here are the quarterbacks. The
Speaker 2: Cowboys face.
Speaker 1: Dobbs Arizona win. He can't beat it.
Speaker 2: Now, Mac Jones, Patriots with no number one receiver win. Now,
Speaker 2: brock Perty's got a shot because of his personnel. Herbert Okay, Stafford,
Speaker 2: I don't think they have enough weapons. Cooper Cup is back.
Speaker 2: It'll be interesting. Jalen hurts, Yes, then Daniel Jones, Bryce Young,
Speaker 2: Sam Howe, Geno Smith.
Speaker 1: I mean they're gonna win a lot of games. They're
Speaker 1: gonna win a lot of games.
Speaker 3: They got three games, you know, if they if they
Speaker 3: somehow split with the Eagles in that Niner game on
Speaker 3: Sunday Night football, I think it's gonna be a coin
Speaker 3: flip game. If they can somehow go two and three,
Speaker 3: you're looking at the number one seed, right, And if
Speaker 3: they go one and three, you're maybe looking at the
Speaker 3: wild card, right. So it's gonna and I think all
Speaker 3: these games the Niners played the Eagles, obviously, Nighters play
Speaker 3: the Cowboys, and the Eagles play the Cowboys twice. You know,
Speaker 3: it's these games are gonna come down to a fumble
Speaker 3: here who doesn't throw a pick? And it's gonna decide
Speaker 3: because all three have number one seed talents, right. I
Speaker 3: think clearly the Niners have the most established head coach
Speaker 3: right now in terms he's the play caller. Also, McCarthy
Speaker 3: say this, when you have that good of a defense,
Speaker 3: it hardens your team because you practice against it. And
Speaker 3: now this team, so the Cowboys to me just look
Speaker 3: a little bit better than they did last year, and
Speaker 3: they were pretty good last year.
Speaker 1: And the Eagles. You and I talked about this anytime
Speaker 1: you change.
Speaker 3: If we got we went to the store and got
Speaker 3: a set of ingredients, you know two X, I cook
Speaker 3: a meal, and you know Gordon Ramsey cooks the meal.
Speaker 3: Even though it's the same ingredients, the meal is gonna
Speaker 3: taste different. So just because the players return new coordinators
Speaker 3: doesn't look.
Speaker 1: The same, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I also think dan Quinn they'll be they'll
Speaker 2: be fine. But yeah, no, I Dallas is I haven't
Speaker 2: I hadn't as a play team. I also think Philadelphia,
Speaker 2: we can circle back to Thursday. Philadelphia is pulled back.
Speaker 2: They don't they don't know quite what they are. And
Speaker 2: it's interesting because you know, they have a power running
Speaker 2: quarterback and they signed into a big contract. And it's
Speaker 2: like when Russell Wilson signed his big deal, he didn't
Speaker 2: want to run anymore. And then Jalen Hurt signs his
Speaker 2: big deal and my takeaway is if he plays only
Speaker 2: four more years, that's worth the contract. He's a power
Speaker 2: running quarterback, lean into what he is. It's almost like
Speaker 2: some of these guys that run around when they signed
Speaker 2: the big contracts, they think, okay, that's for a pocket quarterback.
Speaker 2: It's like, no bro like Lamar Jackson today. I always
Speaker 2: thought Lamar throws it better than people give him credit for,
Speaker 2: you know, but I watched him today and he is
Speaker 2: just a pain in the ass to defend. He's just
Speaker 2: he's just difficult.
Speaker 1: And Baltimore is.
Speaker 2: A fascinating team because none of these injuries I don't
Speaker 2: know than JK. Dobbins are season ending injuries. I don't
Speaker 2: know how much of you watch today.
Speaker 1: I think both they look good. They look good Lamar.
Speaker 1: Lamar look good. I mean he was dynamic.
Speaker 2: I thought he was dynamic, and I think, you know,
Speaker 2: you start looking around at who can beat Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 2: You take out the Chargers because we don't like the coach.
Speaker 2: Forget Denver, Cincinnati sputtering, Buffalo makes too many mistakes. You know,
Speaker 2: I look around it and I'm you know, Baltimore is
Speaker 2: one of those teams like if Obj was healthy, Zay
Speaker 2: Flowers plays well. Baltimore is just goofy enough counter to
Speaker 2: what the league is. Do you find them to be
Speaker 2: a legit kind of AFC championship team. I think they're
Speaker 2: so different they're hard to prepare for.
Speaker 3: I think a lot of these type players have come
Speaker 3: into the league, really starting with Tyreek Hill and Deebo
Speaker 3: and I think Waddle's like this. I think Zay Flowers,
Speaker 3: he's a really dynamic player, and you put him on
Speaker 3: that offense, he can he can do a lot like
Speaker 3: he can play a receiver, you put him in the backfield,
Speaker 3: you can get him end to rounds. He's added a
Speaker 3: new l because you know, Baltimore is always going to
Speaker 3: be solid on defense. Their culture of toughness. When Lamar
Speaker 3: is running around because I like what you said about Hurts.
Speaker 3: I missed on hers. I thought he was I didn't
Speaker 3: like him in college, but I said, hell, if you
Speaker 3: can't play quarterback, he could just transition to become a
Speaker 3: running back. His instincts as a runner or elite.
Speaker 1: What do you do right away? When he came in
Speaker 1: the NFL, he's a dynamic runner. Well now it.
Speaker 3: Feels like clearly they've told him be careful. Last year,
Speaker 3: you hurt your shoulder, lamar. Today's run around like it's
Speaker 3: twenty nineteen. Now Hurts is kind of feeling his way out.
Speaker 3: It's like Jalen either. They called some quarterback powers. Well,
Speaker 3: if you're gonna tell him he can't run fast, don't
Speaker 3: call those plays anymore. But that's a huge element of
Speaker 3: why he's a fifty million dollar player. So now they're
Speaker 3: kind of caught in no man's lamb. He's thinking he's
Speaker 3: not running as fast. He's never gonna be. He's more
Speaker 3: of a rhythm player, kind of like Russell was in
Speaker 3: his peak. He's not just gonna sit back and throw
Speaker 3: forty times and go thirty seven to forty.
Speaker 1: That's not his style.
Speaker 3: It's blended in with the runs like Lamar and he
Speaker 3: can outplay Mahomes in the Super Bowl. But when you
Speaker 3: take away one of those elements, new play caller is
Speaker 3: clearly not as good as Shane's ssiching. It's just it
Speaker 3: just it looks a little weird. We're listen, the Ravens
Speaker 3: kept talking We're gonna spread it out and throw.
Speaker 1: I've watched the first couple weeks. They're just kind of
Speaker 1: playing Raven football again. Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, I like, I think Baltimore leans into what Lamar is,
Speaker 2: and I think what he is is the fastest human
Speaker 2: being that's ever played quarterback. And if you don't use
Speaker 2: that at silly and I still think Lamar throws the
Speaker 2: ball better than people give him credit for. You know,
Speaker 2: I was, I was thinking about it's you know, I
Speaker 2: this weekend was an interesting weekend because you know, there
Speaker 2: wasn't and nothing blew me away. I mean, I can't
Speaker 2: hit a pick. I'm oh for nine on my picks.
Speaker 2: I got Carolina tomorrow. I can't for the life of me,
Speaker 2: I can't get a pick. Was there anything this weekend?
Speaker 2: I mean, Colorado almost lost the Colorado State was the
Speaker 2: only surprising thing I saw this weekend? Was there anything
Speaker 2: that took you back this weekend or like I thought.
Speaker 1: Green Bay Atlanta.
Speaker 2: The line was one you know, I don't I don't
Speaker 2: take much into it didn't shock me that Seattle went
Speaker 2: on the road, Gino played pretty well in one. Was
Speaker 2: there any did you have any takeaway to you this weekend?
Speaker 2: College or pro that It was like a whoa moment.
Speaker 3: Well, one thing I might be wrong on and I
Speaker 3: might have talked to you out of this because you
Speaker 3: were loved them, and I was like, you know, I
Speaker 3: think they're gonna be the worst team in the league.
Speaker 3: And it was the Rams a lot of you because
Speaker 3: you liked a lot of the young players. Their young
Speaker 3: players looked pretty good. Yeah, and the one thing they
Speaker 3: have is a big time head coach who is a
Speaker 3: fantastic play color who's just awesome. I mean, Sean mcvazis
Speaker 3: stud his quarterback went healthy, is a pretty freaking good player.
Speaker 3: And you know, the Niners essentially.
Speaker 1: Won by ten.
Speaker 3: He kicked the field goal with no time left, but
Speaker 3: to make it a seven point game. RAMS team is
Speaker 3: pretty good. If they had Cooper Cup on this squad,
Speaker 3: they're gonna be able to score on a lot of people.
Speaker 3: If Stafford playing healthy. They have some young speed on defense,
Speaker 3: Number zero young the pass rush they drafted, he's flying
Speaker 3: around Sean. I thought I misread that squad. They have
Speaker 3: a little more talent than I thought. And obviously I
Speaker 3: thought the quarterback was breaking down last year. Looks fantastic.
Speaker 3: He looks like the version of the guy that they got.
Speaker 3: Maybe they are more in the wild card mix and
Speaker 3: not in the Caleb Williams sweet stakes than I realized.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to pivot on that take.
Speaker 2: I think, Yeah, so they have a rookie receiver from BYU.
Speaker 1: He's fantastic.
Speaker 2: Yeah so he's He's got twenty five catches and.
Speaker 1: Two broke a record most ever in NFL history first
Speaker 1: two games.
Speaker 2: So I think they're moving off Van Jefferson, who one
Speaker 2: of the picks today by Stafford was Van Jefferson didn't
Speaker 2: run the right route, he didn't go vertically. He kind
Speaker 2: of like faded on it. So if Cooper comes back
Speaker 2: as a one, now they have a two. By the
Speaker 2: way two two out, well looked like a bust. Now
Speaker 2: he's productive. You know what they do and they told
Speaker 2: me they were going to do this. They just put
Speaker 2: him in motion. So you can't get your hands on
Speaker 2: him fast and he gets a running start, he's just
Speaker 2: too fast. So now they have and Tyler Higbey's a
Speaker 2: very nice tight end. So now they have two two
Speaker 2: at well Cooper Cup the rookie from BYU. And now
Speaker 2: you're like, all right, now it's a real offense. Will
Speaker 2: say this, here's a prime example what I talk about.
Speaker 2: Ten of the top eleven O lines were offensive coaches.
Speaker 2: So Rob Havenstein, the right tackle is very good, and
Speaker 2: they drafted a very good left guard out of TCU.
Speaker 2: Everything else. They got a left tackle playing right guard.
Speaker 2: They got a guard who's a backup center now starting
Speaker 2: at center. They have an undrafted guy planning left tackle.
Speaker 2: It's a prime example. Sean McVeigh twice, Jared Goff's first
Speaker 2: year with him, and this year has basically taken an
Speaker 2: offensive line that was a bit of a wreck and
Speaker 2: solved it in a single off season. McDermott five years,
Speaker 2: can't get it right. Tomlin six years, can't get the
Speaker 2: O line right. Twice because the Niners didn't get as
Speaker 2: much pressure as you think they would against an O
Speaker 2: line outside of right tackle that's viewed as poor.
Speaker 1: They've mean were't getting to Colin. They weren't getting any pressure,
Speaker 1: so they've heard blitzing Fred Warner.
Speaker 2: So it's like the Rams in two starts have done
Speaker 2: a great job of production. You look at these defensive coaches.
Speaker 2: They Andy Reid one off season got the old line right.
Speaker 2: McVeigh did it with Whitworth. Mcveagh's done it. This is
Speaker 2: the difference between offensive and defensive coaches. The ability because
Speaker 2: during camp I was following the Rams offensive line stuff
Speaker 2: through the athletic I was following the young reporter.
Speaker 1: It was a mess.
Speaker 2: They were giving you like six different options and then
Speaker 2: they ended up starting noteboom at a guard.
Speaker 1: They just bailed on the tackle.
Speaker 2: And they're good and highly functional. So I again, if
Speaker 2: Cooper cup comes back and plays, what they'll be in
Speaker 2: the NFC is around a wild card berth because let's
Speaker 2: be honest, Dallas is probably better than we all thought.
Speaker 2: Detroit did Detroit today.
Speaker 1: I think you're right.
Speaker 2: I think the Rams will be viable. I think they'll
Speaker 2: be a wildcard team in the race.
Speaker 3: I think the NFC is a lot like college football
Speaker 3: where the Cowboys Niners in the Eagles, they'll figure it
Speaker 3: out that they're just so much more talented.
Speaker 1: All the other team are essentially like the Georgia's and
Speaker 1: Michigan's and then.
Speaker 3: Everyone else is kind of buying, you know, for spot
Speaker 3: four through seven, and we got Atlanta, Green Bay, Seattle,
Speaker 3: the Rams, Detroit. They're all kind of in that world.
Speaker 3: You know, there'll one team may win a playoff game,
Speaker 3: but I don't see any of those teams beating the Eagles,
Speaker 3: and definitely the Cowboys in the forty nine ers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, John Middlecoff, great stuff. Appreciate it, and
Speaker 2: I'm going to bring in Dave Wanstat tomorrow. I want
Speaker 2: to talk about the Bears because I I really think
Speaker 2: it's a I think it's going to get really ugly
Speaker 2: talk radio. Chicago's one of the last cities in America Philadelphia, Boston,
Speaker 2: New York where talk radio has influence. That is all
Speaker 2: people are going to talk about for the next seventy
Speaker 2: two hours.
Speaker 3: It's justin fields, Well, could he could he get could
Speaker 3: he get benched? Sometimes at some time this don't keeps
Speaker 3: going at this level.
Speaker 1: You just ride it out.
Speaker 2: I think they'll ride it out, but I think listen,
Speaker 2: it's it's you know what happened, John, There's too much
Speaker 2: social media. There's too much vide you out there, there's
Speaker 2: too much film. You have proof now. I went before
Speaker 2: we came on tonight and looked up two different things
Speaker 2: on the internet where there are people wide open downfield.
Speaker 2: He appears to be looking at them, and he won't
Speaker 2: let it go. There's just too much out there that
Speaker 2: works against him. Five and twenty two wide open receivers.
Speaker 2: I mean, Baker Mayfield looks so much better today than
Speaker 2: justin fields. And again, talk radio is not the be
Speaker 2: all end all, but everybody listens to it. In Chicago,
Speaker 2: New York, Boston, Philadelphia, they just do. In Los Angeles,
Speaker 2: nobody's listening right. San Francisco a little bit, But a
Speaker 2: lot of these markets, you know, Atlanta, it's just not
Speaker 2: the same. I would love to listen to sports talk
Speaker 2: radio in Chicago. Tomorrow is going to be ugly, all right,
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