WEBVTT - Hangin' with the Boys: Will or Skill? 0:00:04.080 --> 0:00:06.640 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:06.680 --> 0:00:17.960 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Flow way out of 0:00:18.040 --> 0:00:24.000 the backfield, flumming down the sideline. He's hanging with the Boys, 0:00:24.040 --> 0:00:29.520 presented by Windstuff where Flavor gets its wings. Now your hosts, 0:00:29.640 --> 0:00:38.840 Nate Newton, Kurt Daniels, Jesse Holly, and Shannon grossmay look 0:00:38.840 --> 0:00:42.080 at live at Toastitos Championship plows outside forward Center at 0:00:42.080 --> 0:00:44.040 the Star and Frisco. Got a little activity going on 0:00:44.080 --> 0:00:46.839 out there at seventy degrees. It feels like seventy degrees. 0:00:46.880 --> 0:00:49.320 The high today seventy five. The low tonight is fifty nine. 0:00:49.840 --> 0:00:52.400 And it's gonna come a storm tonight. If you're in 0:00:52.479 --> 0:00:59.520 North Texas, watch out hail, high winds, possible tornadoes. And 0:00:59.640 --> 0:01:02.160 we got storm brewing in this studio. And I'm glad 0:01:02.200 --> 0:01:06.920 that Jesse Holly is not here, because Kurt Daniels is 0:01:07.040 --> 0:01:14.000 rocking a Kansas ballcap today and his all blue. And 0:01:14.160 --> 0:01:18.240 speaking of Jesse Holly, he is joining us live from 0:01:18.319 --> 0:01:23.320 New Orleans, Louisiana after maybe one of the best games 0:01:23.560 --> 0:01:28.720 in college basketball history where his Tar Heels squeaked out 0:01:28.760 --> 0:01:32.440 to win over the Duke Blue Devils and they're playing 0:01:32.480 --> 0:01:36.360 for the National Championship tonight against Kansas Jesse Holly, how 0:01:36.400 --> 0:01:41.479 are you, sir? I'm well, Nate, how are you? How 0:01:41.520 --> 0:01:49.160 are you? And Kurt go to hell? How was it? Man? 0:01:49.560 --> 0:01:54.960 Was it awesome? It was electric? Um like it. As 0:01:55.000 --> 0:01:58.240 someone who's played in the rivalry um and the regular 0:01:58.280 --> 0:02:01.160 season in the ACC for this to be the first 0:02:01.160 --> 0:02:05.720 time it's ever been in the NBA tournament, I'm so 0:02:05.920 --> 0:02:07.960 thankful and glad that we won. And I've done my 0:02:08.000 --> 0:02:11.400 fast share of gloating and talking trash for people, But 0:02:11.680 --> 0:02:13.880 I love the way that the game went right. It 0:02:13.919 --> 0:02:17.480 wasn't a blowout on either side, Like people got there 0:02:17.480 --> 0:02:19.800 their money worth like whether it's home or in the stadium. 0:02:19.880 --> 0:02:21.880 It was one of those games that's an instant classic 0:02:22.000 --> 0:02:25.080 that will play forever in a day when it comes 0:02:25.080 --> 0:02:28.359 down to this rivalry And boy, what a great way 0:02:28.400 --> 0:02:31.800 to send that arrogant bleep bleep bleep bleep bleep coach 0:02:31.880 --> 0:02:37.760 Kase Hacking. Tell you tell you a quick story. So 0:02:37.919 --> 0:02:42.320 William was at the game. Brother Will runs a live streams. 0:02:42.840 --> 0:02:46.800 I'm sorry, bro, Will, Yeah, he said it was still 0:02:46.840 --> 0:02:48.800 it was it was well worth it. So he went 0:02:48.919 --> 0:02:51.480 and he his ticket was way up at the top 0:02:51.520 --> 0:02:55.480 of the Superdome, so he had access to this club 0:02:55.919 --> 0:02:58.520 where it was, I guess the champagne room or something. 0:02:58.560 --> 0:03:00.880 That's the only I guess booze they had in the 0:03:00.880 --> 0:03:03.880 whole place because it was college sanction or whatever. So 0:03:03.919 --> 0:03:06.119 he goes down to this club and he meets this 0:03:06.480 --> 0:03:10.280 nice lady and her friends and they were Villanova fans, 0:03:11.160 --> 0:03:14.040 and he starts talking to them and she's like, well, 0:03:14.040 --> 0:03:18.239 we're leaving, and she was like, you want our tickets, Like, 0:03:18.360 --> 0:03:20.760 there's six of us. We're all leaving our team loss. 0:03:20.760 --> 0:03:22.320 We don't want to stick around for the second game. 0:03:22.360 --> 0:03:23.760 You can have the seats if you want them. So 0:03:23.800 --> 0:03:27.079 there's six seats. So Williams like, where are they? They 0:03:27.080 --> 0:03:29.720 were about twelve rows up in the corner of the 0:03:29.760 --> 0:03:35.480 court and in the family section. Apparently her her grandfather 0:03:35.720 --> 0:03:40.480 was like one of the badass coaches from Villanova. Yeah, 0:03:40.600 --> 0:03:45.280 so he gets he finds five random Duke fans that random, Yeah, 0:03:45.280 --> 0:03:48.120 he just recruits them. He gets them, they go down 0:03:48.200 --> 0:03:50.480 and he watches the game. He said Jesse Holly was 0:03:50.520 --> 0:03:55.840 on the JumboTron almost every every break they had. He 0:03:55.920 --> 0:04:00.160 was like kissing babies and shaking hands and dancing. He 0:04:00.240 --> 0:04:03.400 was like he was the mayor of the Superdome, so 0:04:03.560 --> 0:04:06.680 he said, Jesse was all over the place. So what 0:04:07.080 --> 0:04:09.040 I felt bad for? I get this text and it's 0:04:09.080 --> 0:04:11.160 a picture of like someone took a picture of me 0:04:11.240 --> 0:04:13.600 from across the stadium, was like in the circle. Did right. 0:04:13.680 --> 0:04:16.960 So I'm just like, oh, now there's seventy five thousand people. 0:04:17.000 --> 0:04:19.000 There's this pack. I don't know how much. I don't 0:04:19.000 --> 0:04:21.520 know much a super mhold, but it's packed. And so 0:04:21.760 --> 0:04:24.159 I get this number and I'm just like, you know, like, hey, 0:04:24.240 --> 0:04:27.640 yeah go. He was like this talking. I was like, well, 0:04:28.160 --> 0:04:29.839 I don't want to be rude, but I don't know 0:04:29.880 --> 0:04:32.400 who this is. And he's like it's me Bro. Will 0:04:32.480 --> 0:04:34.520 I'm like, I'm sorry, I don't have your number. Start 0:04:34.560 --> 0:04:39.719 on my phone. Brouh. William said he had better seats 0:04:39.720 --> 0:04:46.240 than you. He probably did. He probably did, Oh man, 0:04:47.000 --> 0:04:49.360 I had really good Like okay, So here's my seat 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:53.240 to my left, George Lynch. So George Lynch and I 0:04:53.320 --> 0:04:55.600 are talking all night long. Directly in front of me. 0:04:55.960 --> 0:05:02.080 It's Jerry Stackhouse. Four seats to my right, Tyler hansbro 0:05:02.560 --> 0:05:07.200 It's Antoine Jamison. Uh. And then you know this is 0:05:07.240 --> 0:05:09.240 all you know, this is all the calendar family you got. 0:05:09.279 --> 0:05:11.000 You know, all the players were like all in the 0:05:11.040 --> 0:05:13.840 section Shaman Williams and you got Donald Williams. You guys, 0:05:14.200 --> 0:05:17.800 you know, uh got you know, Puff Johnson, I mean 0:05:18.600 --> 0:05:20.680 puff Puff Johnson. What is your Brotheridan? I don't know, 0:05:20.680 --> 0:05:22.800 but you got all the guys in two roles that 0:05:22.880 --> 0:05:25.880 having me to my right, Coach Williams is sitting up there, Uh, 0:05:25.960 --> 0:05:29.400 Chase Rice, who's one of the greatest country music singers 0:05:29.400 --> 0:05:33.080 going right now, who was a former linebacker at Carolina 0:05:33.120 --> 0:05:35.320 and my teammate. He's sitting in the next roll across 0:05:35.320 --> 0:05:37.440 from me. So it was it was a star stunted 0:05:37.480 --> 0:05:39.720 the event man, and we had a good time. Man, 0:05:39.839 --> 0:05:43.240 that's awesome. So who's who cast of folks were at 0:05:43.240 --> 0:05:46.359 the game? What's the city like street and all that? 0:05:48.240 --> 0:05:51.040 It's insane, Kurt, Like when I tell you, it's insane. 0:05:51.640 --> 0:05:55.680 And I realized, I'm like, I know, you guys are 0:05:55.720 --> 0:05:59.599 older than me, but I'm old. And I'm like, these 0:05:59.680 --> 0:06:06.679 kids can go. I mean, these kids they drink all 0:06:06.800 --> 0:06:10.960 day every day. I'm like, oh, it's two three o'clock 0:06:11.000 --> 0:06:14.160 in the morning, and I'm like like dragging myself to 0:06:14.240 --> 0:06:17.600 walk up and down the street and they're like, let's go, 0:06:17.839 --> 0:06:20.200 and they're like they're like double fisted. I mean, they're 0:06:20.240 --> 0:06:24.120 hanging off the balcony. It's like, I'm like, I know 0:06:24.200 --> 0:06:25.920 when I was eighteen, I didn't even drink when I 0:06:25.960 --> 0:06:28.000 was eighteen, nineteen twenty years old. But I'm just like, 0:06:28.560 --> 0:06:30.479 what did these kids get the energy? And they've they've 0:06:30.520 --> 0:06:32.560 been doing it night in and night out. It's been 0:06:32.600 --> 0:06:35.559 it's been great. The atmosphere has been fantastic. It felt 0:06:35.600 --> 0:06:38.320 like college town again, you know, like those times when 0:06:38.320 --> 0:06:40.400 you were in college and everyone's hanging out and drinking 0:06:40.400 --> 0:06:41.839 it at the bars and all that kind of stuff 0:06:41.839 --> 0:06:44.400 and bar hopping. It felt like that on my knees, 0:06:44.520 --> 0:06:47.880 in my back and my ankles are killing me from 0:06:47.880 --> 0:06:50.880 doing all this walking. And so I'm like, these young 0:06:50.880 --> 0:06:53.400 folks can have it. They got it? Did you get 0:06:53.440 --> 0:06:59.600 your hand? Garnade? I did? I did good for you? 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:04.720 See I did. I had a celebratory Uh, I would 0:07:04.760 --> 0:07:07.120 say half a one. I had a celebratory half a one, 0:07:07.520 --> 0:07:09.080 but a bunch of groups that I said that I 0:07:09.120 --> 0:07:11.000 would do it with. So I did. I did I 0:07:11.040 --> 0:07:14.440 did a half a celebratory hand grenades. I don't even 0:07:14.440 --> 0:07:16.680 know if it's like it's taste fruity, so I don't 0:07:16.720 --> 0:07:18.520 even know if it was like that's where it's supposed 0:07:18.520 --> 0:07:21.200 to stay fight, I don't know, but yeah, good good 0:07:21.240 --> 0:07:23.440 for you. What what's the what's the playing tonight? What 0:07:23.520 --> 0:07:25.920 you're doing tonight? You're going down early? What's what are 0:07:25.920 --> 0:07:29.800 you doing? I don't know. You know, I have a 0:07:29.800 --> 0:07:32.000 as we all working, we all either played or work 0:07:32.080 --> 0:07:34.080 in the media. Right, do you guys have a love 0:07:34.120 --> 0:07:36.760 hate relation ship with these night games? Like as a player, 0:07:36.760 --> 0:07:38.160 I used to. I used to love them because I'm like, 0:07:38.240 --> 0:07:40.880 it's a night game, it's the primetime game everybody's watching. 0:07:41.240 --> 0:07:42.960 But I hate it because you gotta wait all day. 0:07:43.040 --> 0:07:46.000 I'm like, I'm like, damn, Like, what am I gonna 0:07:46.000 --> 0:07:48.200 do for the next games? Not until like a thirty 0:07:48.560 --> 0:07:50.120 nine o'clock, I'm like, what am I gonna do for 0:07:50.160 --> 0:07:54.920 the next whatever? Casino already already did what it did 0:07:54.960 --> 0:07:57.800 to me, and it was a time, So I'm not going. 0:07:57.840 --> 0:08:00.200 I'm not going back to the casino. I can't. I 0:08:00.240 --> 0:08:02.440 can't hang out with these young kids and his day drinking. 0:08:02.960 --> 0:08:06.800 So I'm I'm I just had breakfast, not some own goal. 0:08:06.840 --> 0:08:08.560 I'm just gonna sit around and be an old man 0:08:08.600 --> 0:08:13.000 and watch the clock. Yeah, that's it. Yeah, Hello, how 0:08:13.040 --> 0:08:14.560 long are you on with us? You're on the whole 0:08:14.560 --> 0:08:19.080 show segment or no, we're gonna we're gonna do uh, 0:08:19.120 --> 0:08:22.320 We're gonna do a segment. We're gonna do a segment. Okay, maybe, 0:08:22.400 --> 0:08:26.920 well what do you since you get a segment or two? What? Uh? Nate? 0:08:26.960 --> 0:08:28.559 What were your thoughts on the game? Did you watch? 0:08:30.600 --> 0:08:34.120 Said to say, I didn't know. That's why I'm sitting 0:08:34.120 --> 0:08:37.240 here listening, man, because I like, I like, I like, 0:08:37.640 --> 0:08:40.000 what are you doing? Who were you doing? I told 0:08:40.080 --> 0:08:42.880 Kurt Man, I'm I'm in the house, just moving around, 0:08:42.920 --> 0:08:45.200 me and wife just moving around. I'm going in and out. 0:08:45.600 --> 0:08:47.680 I'm just moving around. And then all of a sudden, 0:08:47.760 --> 0:08:51.320 I sat down at seven o'clock, nine o'clock and my 0:08:51.480 --> 0:08:58.000 phone finally just dings uh, and they told me the winners. 0:08:58.040 --> 0:09:00.600 And I said to myself, I was like, isn't this tomorrow? 0:09:02.960 --> 0:09:04.760 And I said, I said, well, least to do people 0:09:04.760 --> 0:09:06.800 out of no teams one, So I was I'm happy 0:09:06.840 --> 0:09:08.760 for y'all. That's what I'm sitting there just listening. Man. 0:09:09.200 --> 0:09:12.240 Good for you, Kurt, Good for you, Jesse. Now you know, 0:09:12.280 --> 0:09:13.960 I just want to you know, Kurt just sitting here 0:09:13.960 --> 0:09:16.240 like y'all can ignore me. But I'm gonna go upset Jesse. 0:09:16.360 --> 0:09:18.640 That's what the lookie got on his face. You know 0:09:18.760 --> 0:09:20.720 you're gonna watch tonight. Yeah, I'm gonna try to watch 0:09:20.760 --> 0:09:24.040 the name. That's a shame I miss And it's bad 0:09:24.040 --> 0:09:26.360 that I'm not in the college basketball guy that used 0:09:26.400 --> 0:09:29.680 to be nuts five years ago about college basketball. Now 0:09:30.080 --> 0:09:32.559 I missed. I don't even know what night it's on. Yes, sir, 0:09:32.720 --> 0:09:35.800 that's that's sad. So before we move on from basketball, Kurt, 0:09:35.880 --> 0:09:38.959 what is your prediction tonight? Should we even ask? Oh, 0:09:39.040 --> 0:09:42.559 Kansas gonna win. I'll give it to no win by 0:09:42.720 --> 0:09:47.800 like six six? Well you think, Jess, I will say this. 0:09:48.400 --> 0:09:50.840 I'm gonna give Kurt some credit. Kansas is playing some 0:09:50.960 --> 0:09:55.000 damn good basketball. And my only fear, my only only 0:09:55.120 --> 0:09:59.520 only only fear, is that we didn't shoot our load 0:10:00.240 --> 0:10:03.040 Saturday night. And I mean in the basketball game. I 0:10:03.040 --> 0:10:06.080 don't mean the other way. I just I just pray 0:10:06.160 --> 0:10:09.000 that we didn't, you know, get build up, build up, 0:10:09.000 --> 0:10:12.440 build up, for this dude, Carolina robbery and it's all 0:10:12.440 --> 0:10:15.240 that kind of stuff, and then we forget. Oh, by 0:10:15.280 --> 0:10:17.480 the way, we still have a national championship game to 0:10:17.559 --> 0:10:20.000 play because Candida is coming to play, and they got 0:10:20.000 --> 0:10:23.600 some darn good players, so of course I got Carolina 0:10:23.600 --> 0:10:29.320 winning by five. Oh all right, did you hear about uh, Kurt? 0:10:29.360 --> 0:10:31.760 Do you hear about uh? You don't like country music? 0:10:31.800 --> 0:10:34.040 But Eric Church, one of the one of the biggest 0:10:34.080 --> 0:10:39.079 guys in country music right now, actually cancel this concert 0:10:39.120 --> 0:10:41.960 so he could go to the game. He's getting all 0:10:42.280 --> 0:10:44.640 kinds of flat for that. San Antonio or something. Yeah, 0:10:44.679 --> 0:10:46.840 san Antonio is a big he's a big UNC fan, 0:10:46.880 --> 0:10:48.960 and he just said not not only did he not 0:10:49.000 --> 0:10:51.160 only did he cancel it, but he canceled two sold 0:10:51.200 --> 0:10:56.800 out show. Oh man, man, it's worth it. I mean 0:10:56.800 --> 0:10:58.839 it's worth it. I mean he's gonna see his team 0:10:59.080 --> 0:11:01.680 win a national champire. So, yep, don't be all test. 0:11:01.840 --> 0:11:05.360 They'll come back. Yep. Cancel culture is not real, so 0:11:05.400 --> 0:11:07.360 they can't. They can't cancel it. And that's not even 0:11:07.360 --> 0:11:09.079 a real thing. Like people. He's not gonna go back 0:11:09.080 --> 0:11:12.040 to San Antonio anytime soon, but he'll come back. Yeah, 0:11:12.800 --> 0:11:14.800 they'll come back and they'll show up, and they'll show up. 0:11:14.840 --> 0:11:16.600 They'll show that you know what it's like. It's like 0:11:16.600 --> 0:11:19.800 what people saying, uh, the Cowboys, what a horrible job 0:11:19.880 --> 0:11:21.959 they're doing. I just honestly I hate this team. And 0:11:23.120 --> 0:11:25.520 then they'll go, I'll see you guys next season, and 0:11:26.480 --> 0:11:29.800 the Cowboys will league the league again and attendance. After 0:11:29.840 --> 0:11:31.760 all the people saying how much they hated what happened 0:11:31.760 --> 0:11:33.439 in the off season, how they weren't showing up anymore, 0:11:33.440 --> 0:11:34.680 and how they wanted to give in journey any more 0:11:34.720 --> 0:11:37.120 than money, then they'll show up and they'll be ninety 0:11:37.120 --> 0:11:39.559 thousand every single week. So it's the same thing their 0:11:39.679 --> 0:11:41.560 church would be fine. Yeah, he'll be fine, all right. 0:11:41.600 --> 0:11:43.800 Speaking of football, Jesse, since you're only on with us 0:11:43.840 --> 0:11:45.600 for a limited time, what would you like to talk 0:11:45.640 --> 0:11:48.679 about today about this Cowboys football team or doesn't even 0:11:48.720 --> 0:11:52.520 have to be Cowboys, be anything you want, Oh, I 0:11:52.520 --> 0:11:56.000 want to talk about Michael Parsons was also a Duke fan, 0:11:56.480 --> 0:11:58.760 and that just tells me the mentality of this kid 0:11:58.840 --> 0:12:02.040 I thought was a winning man halliby that he had 0:12:02.120 --> 0:12:07.360 that's clearly that's clearly now flawed. And so now I question. 0:12:07.400 --> 0:12:09.160 The one thing that I was kind of almost sure 0:12:09.200 --> 0:12:12.400 about about Michael Parsons and his ability to have a 0:12:12.480 --> 0:12:15.560 winning mindset, it's it's flawed now. And now I don't 0:12:15.559 --> 0:12:17.839 even trust him anymore. So, I mean, the one thing 0:12:17.880 --> 0:12:20.400 that we did have that we can trust on his team, 0:12:20.440 --> 0:12:23.000 we can on I can no longer trust anymore because 0:12:23.000 --> 0:12:25.440 he showed me his true colors and what his mindset 0:12:25.559 --> 0:12:31.000 was at. That's tough. That's tough. That's tough. Oh man. Well, Kurt, 0:12:31.040 --> 0:12:32.600 what do you want to talk about? What do I 0:12:32.640 --> 0:12:36.720 want to talk about? We don't talk about what Jesse's buddy, 0:12:36.720 --> 0:12:41.080 Michael Irvin had some strong words? Was it last week Thursday? 0:12:41.480 --> 0:12:43.640 Over the weekend? Was over the weekend? Yeah? He said 0:12:43.720 --> 0:12:47.000 that he was, you know, he was inducted into the 0:12:47.440 --> 0:12:51.319 what was it the Are you in a bus station, Jessee, 0:12:52.000 --> 0:12:54.679 I'm in the I'm in the lobby of the of 0:12:54.720 --> 0:12:57.559 the of the of the host of the apartment. I 0:12:57.600 --> 0:13:02.080 don't get solo. Okay, go ahead, Kurt. Sorry, Well, Michael 0:13:02.120 --> 0:13:04.640 was inducted to it was the Texas or Dallas Black 0:13:04.679 --> 0:13:07.679 Hall of Fame. I can't remember. Free Texas Sextist Black 0:13:07.840 --> 0:13:11.600 Sports for Television. Yeah, anyway, they asked him about the Cowboys, 0:13:11.720 --> 0:13:14.360 and he said they are not a better team talent wise. 0:13:15.400 --> 0:13:18.960 This game doesn't require skill, it requires will. If a 0:13:18.960 --> 0:13:22.600 team loses skill but gains greater will, they can still 0:13:22.640 --> 0:13:26.000 do great things. And I found that interesting in that 0:13:27.400 --> 0:13:29.440 one is a true can a team with more will 0:13:29.520 --> 0:13:32.800 than skill actually win it? And two are the Cowboys 0:13:33.040 --> 0:13:38.079 getting more will even though they've lost some skill. Honestly 0:13:38.120 --> 0:13:43.840 that that only works in like peewee football. No, because no, seriously, 0:13:43.880 --> 0:13:47.600 like there is good only there's only a certain amount 0:13:47.600 --> 0:13:51.720 of time where your will will overtake talent. If you 0:13:51.720 --> 0:13:54.360 don't have a talented team in a league of nothing 0:13:54.480 --> 0:13:57.960 but talent, you can only will yourself so far, right 0:13:58.080 --> 0:14:00.599 because talent and that's gonna rise to the top. The 0:14:00.720 --> 0:14:03.080 superior teams will ride to the top. The better player 0:14:03.080 --> 0:14:05.280 will ride to the top. And you can will your 0:14:05.280 --> 0:14:08.760 way through a game or two, maybe even three. But 0:14:08.920 --> 0:14:10.720 when it comes down to it, you know, you look 0:14:10.760 --> 0:14:12.880 at Saint Peter's right. I don't want to bring back 0:14:12.880 --> 0:14:15.640 the college basketball, but you have a Cinderella story every 0:14:15.640 --> 0:14:19.360 single year, and it's these teams who aren't uh, you know, 0:14:19.400 --> 0:14:22.480 there aren't superior in what they do. But they find 0:14:22.520 --> 0:14:24.960 this way to will themselves the victory. They start hitting 0:14:24.960 --> 0:14:26.640 shots and you know, they get a little bit, they 0:14:26.760 --> 0:14:28.960 make a little bit of a run. But then eventually 0:14:29.000 --> 0:14:31.960 you come and you face the team that just it's like, 0:14:32.000 --> 0:14:35.120 you know, we're just we're Our recruits are better than yours, 0:14:35.120 --> 0:14:37.440 Our facilities are better than yours. The fly private plane, 0:14:37.520 --> 0:14:40.840 like you know, the the big singer companies pay us 0:14:40.840 --> 0:14:42.520 to wear their gear, like all the type of stuff. 0:14:42.560 --> 0:14:45.120 If it beginners to show, right, it's like our athletes 0:14:45.160 --> 0:14:48.480 are McDonald's all Americans. Yours just go to McDonald's like 0:14:48.560 --> 0:14:51.360 that type of stuff. It's the same thing. You can 0:14:51.400 --> 0:14:53.600 will your way to a certain amount. But in the 0:14:53.680 --> 0:14:56.920 league of the best of the best, you gotta have players, man, 0:14:57.360 --> 0:14:58.800 you gotta have guys at the ends of the day 0:14:58.840 --> 0:15:00.320 that's going to be able to go and make and 0:15:01.360 --> 0:15:03.240 coaches to be able to put them in the purpose 0:15:03.280 --> 0:15:05.840 position to make the place. And I think when you 0:15:05.920 --> 0:15:07.880 look at what we did this offseason, you know, we 0:15:08.600 --> 0:15:12.920 lost a lot of those guys who we who were playmakers, 0:15:12.960 --> 0:15:16.240 and we're trying to make some other guys playmakers, but 0:15:16.280 --> 0:15:18.120 we aren't quite sure if they're going to be that 0:15:18.320 --> 0:15:21.080 or can be that on a consistent basis. So the 0:15:21.160 --> 0:15:23.080 will and skill, You got to have a lot of 0:15:23.120 --> 0:15:25.560 skill if you want to will your way into a championship. 0:15:25.640 --> 0:15:27.920 What do you think? The bottom line is just right here? 0:15:28.120 --> 0:15:31.880 Jesting you put it in a very nice way. What 0:15:32.080 --> 0:15:38.160 happens when your will and those who with skill become 0:15:39.160 --> 0:15:42.000 have that same amount of will? What happens to your skill? 0:15:42.560 --> 0:15:47.200 San Francisco game. Yes, what happens when you line up 0:15:47.320 --> 0:15:50.560 and say, we got the will. But guess what when 0:15:50.600 --> 0:15:53.680 those guys with the better skill have that same amount 0:15:53.720 --> 0:15:58.600 of will? Guess what happens? You lose? You see, it's 0:15:58.640 --> 0:16:02.200 still gonna come down to you finding the right guy, 0:16:02.400 --> 0:16:07.840 the Michael Parsons of the world, even though he's a dukie. Uh. 0:16:08.120 --> 0:16:10.400 You gotta find a bunch of those guys. You gotta 0:16:10.440 --> 0:16:11.960 find a bunch. If you don't have a bunch of 0:16:11.960 --> 0:16:15.640 those guys, you gotta have four on defense, and you 0:16:15.680 --> 0:16:19.280 gotta have four on offense. Four really, yeah, you gotta 0:16:19.280 --> 0:16:21.680 have four. You gotta have them. You gotta have four 0:16:21.680 --> 0:16:26.040 of these guys at least. I've always wondered what I 0:16:26.200 --> 0:16:29.960 get will, But I think the thing I've always wondered 0:16:29.960 --> 0:16:32.800 about this, and Jesse, you and Nate tell me because 0:16:33.160 --> 0:16:35.120 Kurt's probably in the same boat as I am. He's 0:16:35.120 --> 0:16:37.440 never played professionals. Yeah, but it don't matter what ya 0:16:37.520 --> 0:16:40.400 but no, but y'all got it in life, right, But 0:16:40.440 --> 0:16:42.400 when you get to but when you get to this 0:16:42.480 --> 0:16:45.840 level and you're a pro athlete, I would think everyone's 0:16:45.920 --> 0:16:49.480 got the willpower to play at a high level. And 0:16:49.520 --> 0:16:51.200 when you get to this level, you don't want to 0:16:51.200 --> 0:16:55.880 get beat You don't you don't think really really no, no, 0:16:56.360 --> 0:16:59.040 And as much as we loved, as much as we 0:16:59.240 --> 0:17:03.000 love this guy, that's why Marie Cooper is not sitting here. 0:17:04.920 --> 0:17:11.960 That as much as we love a Marii Cooper. Yeah, yes, sir, 0:17:12.920 --> 0:17:15.600 that's why he left Oakland? Am I wrong? Jest? Am 0:17:15.600 --> 0:17:19.640 I on the wrong? No? No, no, that's why Mari's 0:17:19.720 --> 0:17:23.960 not here. I'm serious. Man. Is will the same thing 0:17:24.000 --> 0:17:28.160 as drive? Uh? You gotta have will to have to drive. 0:17:28.240 --> 0:17:29.840 It ain't gonna have to drive to have a will? 0:17:30.000 --> 0:17:33.360 Now will is greater? Okay? So would you rather have 0:17:33.960 --> 0:17:37.479 a Maari's talent and sacrifice? What will? Gabwhere are you 0:17:37.520 --> 0:17:40.080 glad he's going now? Because you just see guys like 0:17:40.160 --> 0:17:41.960 that where if you hit the right time, you're gonna 0:17:41.960 --> 0:17:43.520 make a lot of money. But then all of a 0:17:43.560 --> 0:17:45.840 sudden money catches up because people are gonna question you 0:17:45.920 --> 0:17:49.399 will the thing with guys like a mari You you 0:17:49.520 --> 0:17:52.480 hope to have enough will guys around on him, Yes, 0:17:53.560 --> 0:17:56.640 all right, you want the skill Ultimately, that's the that's 0:17:56.640 --> 0:17:58.760 the biggest thing is to happen skill, sir. But if 0:17:58.760 --> 0:18:00.440 you can, if you can, if you can, but enough 0:18:00.560 --> 0:18:03.800 will guys around him, you can kind of almost mask it, 0:18:04.280 --> 0:18:06.280 like you know what I mean, Like like there there 0:18:06.320 --> 0:18:08.560 there's some things that you can kind of try to, 0:18:08.840 --> 0:18:11.880 you know, work with that. But that skill, man, at 0:18:11.880 --> 0:18:14.560 the end of the day, is the is the is 0:18:14.560 --> 0:18:18.120 the most important to have. That skill set is the 0:18:18.119 --> 0:18:21.959 most important thing. Uh. And then because you're gonna have 0:18:22.000 --> 0:18:24.760 teams that don't have that, don't have players on teams 0:18:24.760 --> 0:18:27.520 that don't have the will, but you And that's the 0:18:28.200 --> 0:18:32.520 talk about roster building. Roster building is is personality, it's 0:18:32.560 --> 0:18:37.120 skill set, it's uh position And there's there's a lot 0:18:37.240 --> 0:18:42.000 that goes on to building a right roster uh mentality, uh, 0:18:42.080 --> 0:18:44.240 from your coaches and all that kind of good stuff. Man. 0:18:44.280 --> 0:18:46.560 And so you know, every roster is gonna have its 0:18:46.600 --> 0:18:49.000 mixture of guys. But if you have the right amount 0:18:49.040 --> 0:18:53.879 of skill and the right amount of will, but skill 0:18:53.960 --> 0:18:56.800 most importantly, you gotta have that like that that puts 0:18:56.800 --> 0:19:00.439 you in contention, and then you work through all the 0:19:00.480 --> 0:19:02.440 rest of it. You know, as you build your roster, 0:19:02.680 --> 0:19:06.359 guys that just for whatever reason you call it selfishness, 0:19:06.400 --> 0:19:13.680 whatever reason you Ken Norton, h. Charles Haley, Toni's Holbert H. 0:19:16.480 --> 0:19:18.800 James Washington, you call it whatever you want. Is everybody 0:19:19.000 --> 0:19:22.119 James Washington selfish? But James Washington want to start. He 0:19:22.200 --> 0:19:24.960 wanted to make all the plays. I mean, he wasn't 0:19:24.960 --> 0:19:29.280 the most uh skilled guy, but we but he had 0:19:29.280 --> 0:19:32.960 that will I mean. And then you have Darren Woodson, smart, 0:19:33.119 --> 0:19:36.199 got all the tools, reset the market and how you 0:19:36.240 --> 0:19:38.880 play this game. He had We had always had full 0:19:39.000 --> 0:19:42.680 on offense, full on defense. And they weren't always stars, 0:19:43.200 --> 0:19:45.679 but they had that ability and they had that will 0:19:45.760 --> 0:19:49.480 and that drive to do it. And then guys like myself, 0:19:49.680 --> 0:19:52.000 you you build and you learn and you get and 0:19:52.080 --> 0:19:54.040 you get going and now you don't want to lose it. 0:19:54.359 --> 0:19:56.560 You you would do anything in the world lose weight. 0:20:00.040 --> 0:20:02.080 The Cowboys Now do you think who would be that 0:20:02.160 --> 0:20:06.800 for on defense offense? Now, I would say jay Ron 0:20:06.880 --> 0:20:09.840 Curse is a guy who has a bunch of will. 0:20:10.600 --> 0:20:20.200 Um uh Parsons La Parson. Parsons is a guy who's 0:20:20.640 --> 0:20:24.360 is a mixture of great will and great skill. Yeah, 0:20:23.920 --> 0:20:26.600 and then like like like, of course, to get to 0:20:26.640 --> 0:20:28.760 the national football at your skill level has to be 0:20:28.960 --> 0:20:33.879 far above the average American male, right, But like Parsons 0:20:33.960 --> 0:20:36.040 is one of those guys who was just exceptional. It's 0:20:36.080 --> 0:20:38.520 like God's but a little bit more of that dude 0:20:38.640 --> 0:20:41.200 in his mixture when he was making Michael Parson. So 0:20:41.800 --> 0:20:44.280 is Michael is a mixture of a guy who has 0:20:44.880 --> 0:20:49.119 the will and then has the ultimate skill set to 0:20:49.320 --> 0:20:52.040 market and and and this is these are the kind 0:20:52.080 --> 0:20:54.080 of guys, the Michael lovers of the worlds where you 0:20:54.480 --> 0:20:57.000 when they speak, you listen, when they go, you follow 0:20:57.119 --> 0:20:59.480 because you're like, now only does the dude have the will, 0:21:00.000 --> 0:21:02.880 but he also has the skill that he can put 0:21:02.880 --> 0:21:05.239 it on, you know, on the on the field. So, 0:21:05.600 --> 0:21:07.399 but guys, like they said, like jay Ron Cursey is 0:21:07.400 --> 0:21:10.639 a guy who I wouldn't say necessarily the most skillful food, 0:21:11.680 --> 0:21:15.800 but he brings a level of will like and will. 0:21:15.880 --> 0:21:18.879 To me, it's a mixture of you know, are you 0:21:18.920 --> 0:21:20.840 willing to do all the things you have to do, 0:21:20.920 --> 0:21:24.199 the study, the preparation, taking care of your body, like 0:21:24.280 --> 0:21:26.359 that's the will part of it. That's the part of knowing. 0:21:26.680 --> 0:21:29.320 I ain't that I was roommates. I should say that 0:21:29.400 --> 0:21:31.280 he was roommates with me, but des Bryant was roommate 0:21:31.359 --> 0:21:33.440 of mine. And this was a guy who I've seen 0:21:33.520 --> 0:21:35.159 wake up in the morning at eight o'clock in the 0:21:35.200 --> 0:21:37.719 morning and eat nothing but a handful of gummy bears 0:21:37.840 --> 0:21:40.640 and go out there and dominate practice, right like that? 0:21:40.640 --> 0:21:42.520 That's that that That ain't will. That's a whole lot 0:21:42.560 --> 0:21:44.400 of skill, you know. For me, I gotta get up early. 0:21:44.440 --> 0:21:46.160 I got to stratch, I got a hot up cold tub. 0:21:46.400 --> 0:21:47.640 I got to do all the other stuff to get 0:21:47.640 --> 0:21:49.679 myself prepared and ready to go. I had to make 0:21:49.720 --> 0:21:52.359