1 00:00:01,760 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: Dear, let you know USA listener. 2 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 2: Before we start, you should know that if you want 3 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:10,640 Speaker 2: to listen to this episode ad free, just join Plus 4 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 2: and you can join for as little as seven dollars 5 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:17,440 Speaker 2: a month. Joining also gets you behind the scenes access 6 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 2: and yes, some cheese may so click the link in 7 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 2: the episode description and after you do that, then click play. 8 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 2: Let's go to the show. 9 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 1: Earlier this week, we brought you episode two of one 10 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 1: of our very favorite series by our own Futuro Studios 11 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 1: my Devo. It's a series all about Huanga Briel, but 12 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:52,480 Speaker 1: also so much more than Huanga. So today we're gonna 13 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 1: press play and listen to episode three. You can find 14 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 1: the whole series wherever you're listening to this podcast, and 15 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 1: you'll find a link in this podcast description as well, 16 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:04,039 Speaker 1: So enjoy Jao. 17 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 3: I'm in Mexico City on the hunt for something that's 18 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 3: never come to light. I'm at the Mexican National. 19 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:21,760 Speaker 4: Archives La Nacion. 20 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 3: Jacqueline Gutierres is a researcher and technician in the Education 21 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:30,919 Speaker 3: department at the Archives. She's leading us to one special file, 22 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 3: the entirety of which had been thought to be lost 23 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 3: for decades until now. Until Jacqueline and her boss dug it. 24 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:44,680 Speaker 4: Up Noestra primercele exhibition document. 25 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 3: But first Jacqueline wants to make sure we fully grasp 26 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 3: where we are. She leads us through a tour where 27 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 3: she shows us copies of precious scrolls dating back to 28 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 3: the fifteen and sixteen hundreds. 29 00:01:57,720 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 4: Okay, you satra. 30 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 3: In Asta Carrafa and the Mexican Declaration of Independence. 31 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 4: Electa Independence oly Mexicano. 32 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:12,519 Speaker 3: But we're really here to see something that's not enshrined 33 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:15,639 Speaker 3: in glass in the display rooms. We're here to see 34 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 3: Juan Gabriel's file from when he was imprisoned in this 35 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 3: very place you see before. This was the Mexican National Archives. 36 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 1: It was. 37 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 3: La in Mexico, the largest penitentiary in Mexico City, Lecumberi Prison, 38 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 3: known as the Black Palace. 39 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 5: It was a temple of horrors, to say the least. 40 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:49,239 Speaker 3: Lecumberri was a notorious place of torture where some of 41 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 3: Mexico's most violent offenders and political prisoners were sent. We 42 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 3: don't know what Huanga experienced there, but there's evidence that 43 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 3: it was the kind of prison that packed thirty to 44 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 3: sixty inmates in eleven by six cells. Some prisoners were 45 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 3: left outside. Twenty four seven rain or Shine. Juangavriel was 46 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 3: incarcerated here in the nation's most feared prison. Before he 47 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 3: became Juangabriel, he li. 48 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:27,399 Speaker 4: Is s Remitel Menorchaim Alberta Galades Fugariel, and we found. 49 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 3: Out there's much more to the story of what led 50 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 3: Juangabriel here than what most people know. Okay, Hacams Salles, 51 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 3: Archio nacionalis boco stunned. In fact, what I found at 52 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 3: the Mexican National Archives kind of left me in shock. 53 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 3: Sitting in the archives looking through pages and pages of 54 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 3: his file, we found out details about his life that 55 00:03:56,080 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 3: have never been published. The story of how Huanga ended 56 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 3: up in prison begins in his teenage. Years after he 57 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 3: grifted through hua Is, he decided he had to go 58 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 3: to Mexico City to try to make it in music. 59 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:21,159 Speaker 3: He went, but he had no connections, no money, nowhere 60 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 3: to stay. 61 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 5: He used to live and sleep in streets. 62 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 3: Leonardo Anguibell was an executive producer and main writer of 63 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 3: the Huanga Real bio series as Tacnosi in Mexico City, 64 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 3: just like back home in Juarates, Huanga became friends with 65 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 3: the sex workers who walked the streets. 66 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 5: They used to protect him. They washed his clothes and 67 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 5: things like that, and they loved him. He was gorrious 68 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:50,280 Speaker 5: and he was a great singer. 69 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 3: We're talking about a sixteen seventeen year old Huanga in 70 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:58,039 Speaker 3: the late sixties. He'd sleep in train stations on buses, 71 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:01,600 Speaker 3: always trying to avoid cars ups. He talked about it 72 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 3: with Mexican TV hosts Patty Chapoy nearly two decades later, Listen. 73 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 5: And Nastasianis Dell train on Asssasiona de los Alto Wuss. 74 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 6: De komon Policia. 75 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 3: He sang in the streets, bars wherever he could. He 76 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:22,360 Speaker 3: hung out with other aspiring artists, and according to the 77 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 3: popular account, one day a woman in this circle told him. 78 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:30,600 Speaker 5: Hey, there's a party, and you know there's gonna be 79 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:34,480 Speaker 5: a lot of interesting people, and if you want to come, 80 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 5: you can see something and they can see you. 81 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 3: So here's a story that's often been told. Huanga went 82 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 3: and sang at this party, but he was exhausted from 83 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 3: sleeping on the streets. Yes, if he could nap in 84 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 3: one of the bedrooms, he did. He fell asleep and 85 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 3: the party went on. When he woke up hours later, 86 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 3: the place was tracked. The woman hosting the party was livid. 87 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 5: She was a lover of a detective for someone for 88 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 5: the law enforcement, and he arrived early in the morning 89 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 5: and found this desattern. 90 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 3: Stuff was missing from the home, a TV, jewels, dresses. 91 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 7: Lady Love Yes is still less to you. 92 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 3: Hwanga himself told the story many times over the years, 93 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 3: and it's been reported that the woman who threw the 94 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 3: party accused Juangabrielle of the robbery, so he. 95 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 5: Went to one of the worst places in the history 96 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 5: of jails. 97 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:52,920 Speaker 3: In Mexico, Lecumberi Prison. That's the story that's been regurgitated 98 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 3: over the decades. But at the Mexican National Archives, I 99 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:04,480 Speaker 3: discovered there's much more to this story. I believe that 100 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:07,480 Speaker 3: this stage in his life, the one I'm about to 101 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 3: tell you about that involves prison and persecution, shaped Huanga forever. 102 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 3: You know, most people when they think of Huanga, they 103 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 3: imagine him as a global pop star he became, but 104 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 3: before that, he was a homeless queer kid, one of 105 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 3: those queer kids who almost can't hide who he is, 106 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 3: and this made him a target. I'm Maria Garcia and 107 00:07:43,800 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 3: this is Madivo, a podcast about roots. To tell you 108 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 3: this story, I have to tell you about the person 109 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 3: who's been my sounding board. Let's FaceTime the Novae. Hi, Hi, 110 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 3: can you see me? 111 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 6: You see me? 112 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 3: This is Cristella, my girlfriend. We're in a long distance 113 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 3: relationship there in Boston. I'm an El Paso. I'm calling 114 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 3: because I've been wrestling with how to introduce us in 115 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 3: this episode. And I have a lot of tape of us. 116 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 3: But you know, because we don't see each other every day, 117 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 3: like the times that we do see each other, so 118 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 3: much of our time has just spent like cuddling in bed, 119 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:52,599 Speaker 3: and I just have the corniest tape of us, Like 120 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:56,839 Speaker 3: I just didn't realize we sounded that corny where it's 121 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:00,680 Speaker 3: just like whispering sweet, nothing's to each other in. 122 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 8: Bed, But you're just wanted me to cuddle you as 123 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 8: close as I possibly can. 124 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:12,200 Speaker 3: Yes, I don't know. I feel like that doesn't quite 125 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 3: capture our fullness. 126 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 6: I think it will be great. 127 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 3: That's this sort of outlook. Is the fundamental difference between 128 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 3: you and I? So what is the fundamental difference to me? 129 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 3: I think I have a little more cynicism overall. Yes, 130 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 3: and it counters your very prominent earnestness. 131 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 9: So you're the black cat and I'm the Golden Retriever. 132 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 3: Is that how he would describe us? 133 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 9: Yes, except the black cat loves the Golden Retriever, but 134 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 9: it would never admit it in front of others. 135 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 3: Oh my god, I have no problem admitting that I 136 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 3: love you, I mean, hello, putting you in my work, 137 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 3: like talking about how inspired I am by being in love. 138 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 9: Yes, but I feel like to your chagrin, well to 139 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:19,679 Speaker 9: your utter and absolute chagrin, Governor. 140 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 3: Pristella teases me. But I do feel super exposed, including 141 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:29,679 Speaker 3: my relationship in this podcast. I really wasn't planning to, 142 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 3: but my team and I realized that learning about what 143 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 3: Huanga experienced in this phase of his life brought up 144 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 3: a lot of what's at stake for me and Gristella. 145 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 3: So before I go on, you should get a feel 146 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 3: of what our relationship sounds like. If somebody were to 147 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:55,119 Speaker 3: drop into our conversations, Well, what they hear about aliens. 148 00:10:56,640 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 3: We do talk about aliens a lot, and it's an astrology. 149 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 7: Yeah, and like the future, you talk about legacy and 150 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 7: lineage a lot. 151 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:11,200 Speaker 3: You talk about tenderness a lot, and vulnerability. 152 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 7: My favorite quality is about you, is how your critical 153 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 7: analysis of. 154 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 10: Things, that's what turns you on. 155 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:24,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, what an aquarious thing to say. Okay, air sign. 156 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 11: It's been like a treasure and like an honor of 157 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:34,320 Speaker 11: my life to walk with you as you expand your 158 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 11: understanding of your gender. 159 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:41,599 Speaker 8: When I'm anxious and you're avoidant, we become magnets and 160 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 8: we repel each other. 161 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 3: I wasn't going to not include you. I was going 162 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 3: to say I'm with z Verias, she said, tell, and 163 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:52,439 Speaker 3: I don't want to see here while you're on a 164 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 3: baby shower or her home. 165 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 9: So hard to keep trying to convince you to stay 166 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:03,959 Speaker 9: because it hurts. 167 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 4: A lot. 168 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 3: I'm sorry, like I've always been ready to leave it, 169 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:16,679 Speaker 3: to fall out of love, Like this is the first 170 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 3: relationship where like I'm I'm really here, you know. So 171 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:38,199 Speaker 3: that's a glimpse into what my life sometimes sounds like. 172 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 3: Christella and I want to be in the same place. 173 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 3: We're planning for them to eventually move to Texas, So 174 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 3: where you're. 175 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 10: Going to bring your all of your prices to the desert, 176 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 10: all of your water. Yeah, I guess you. 177 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:57,319 Speaker 8: Kiss My mom's worried about it. 178 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 10: Would you say she's worried about us living in Texas. 179 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 3: Cristilla's pretty nervous about moving to Anti gay measures are 180 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 3: pretty intense all over the US, but especially in the South. 181 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:14,319 Speaker 3: I was thinking about this, actually about our future as 182 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 3: a queer couple, when I went to the Mexican National 183 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:22,559 Speaker 3: Archives and found out more about Huanga's teenage years. The 184 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 3: archives are as i mentioned, located in the former le 185 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:32,319 Speaker 3: Kumberi prison. We came early in the morning. From the front, 186 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 3: it looks like a dark, flat castle accented with lush 187 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:39,679 Speaker 3: succulents in its front garden. We were in touch with 188 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:43,599 Speaker 3: Jacqueline from the archives for months before our visit. She 189 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 3: offered us a personal tour. The prison was built in 190 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 3: the year nineteen hundred. Its architecture was designed for control. 191 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 3: There's a central dome with eight long hallways of cells 192 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 3: sticking out like tentacles. For decades, journalists have tried to 193 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:07,679 Speaker 3: find Juangavria's prison file here, but it was thought to 194 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 3: be lost. You see, journalists and researchers had unsuccessfully searched 195 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 3: for Huanga's file in the regular penitentiary archives, but it 196 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 3: occurred to Jacqueline to look in the files of minors, 197 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 3: and that's where she found it, a record for an 198 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 3: inmate called Jaime Alberto ballades An alias Huanga used. Jacqueline 199 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 3: investigated and determined that the documents were indeed Huanga's long 200 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 3: lost prison files. She'd found the archive but had never 201 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 3: published or spoken about the matter publicly. And then we 202 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 3: came looking for his file and she shared the archive 203 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 3: with us. We were the first journalists to see Juanga's 204 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 3: files in their entirety. 205 00:14:54,480 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 4: He s remitel Menoraime albertaes Sohangarian. 206 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 3: We weren't able to record at the archives, but we 207 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 3: did take photos of the documents. We wore gloves as 208 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 3: we looked at decades old pages in a Manila folder 209 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 3: held together with a thin string. We saw medical and 210 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 3: psychological exams Huanga underwent in prison. There's even a pencil 211 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 3: sketch Huanga drew of flowers in a basket. It reminds 212 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 3: me of just how young he was. Then we got 213 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 3: to it his prison file dated April fourteenth, nineteen sixty seven, 214 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 3: with Huanga's fingerprints sloppily placed all over his charge robbery. Again. 215 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 3: The legend goes that Huanga fell asleep at this party 216 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 3: when the hosts blame him for stealing jewelry and clothes 217 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 3: from the apartment and bem he ended up in prison, 218 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 3: But the files reveal something more complicated, a different story 219 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 3: and another possible reason for his arrest, a reason around 220 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 3: his sexuality. As soon as I got back to the 221 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 3: hotel after the archives, I called Cristella my girlfriend. True. Now, 222 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 3: when I found at the Mexican National Archives, like completely 223 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 3: changes this story in what way. Like I thought that 224 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 3: this story was about Huanga being at the wrong place 225 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 3: at the wrong time. But when this woman went and 226 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 3: accused him of robbery, the file says that, like she 227 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 3: mentions that he's gay and that she found him in 228 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 3: bed in her house making love to another man. 229 00:16:56,400 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 8: Oh my god, it was here for robbery or was 230 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:04,680 Speaker 8: he arrested for like lout and lascivius or like whatever 231 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:06,959 Speaker 8: bullshit they would say about gay sex. 232 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:10,399 Speaker 3: No, they just accused him of a robbery. But like 233 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 3: it says in his file, like it goes on like 234 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 3: a record on his criminal file that he's gay, and 235 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 3: it uses language like he had the audacity to sleep 236 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 3: with a man at this woman's house. 237 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:27,640 Speaker 10: Oh my god. 238 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 3: The bottom of the file reads, in Spanish quote this boy, 239 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 3: who is homosexual, shamelessly made love with another male in 240 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 3: her own house end quote. Wuanga never mentioned this detail, 241 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 3: but he said in a TV interview that he found 242 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 3: himself with a ton of problems when he first went 243 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:54,399 Speaker 3: to Mexico City emphasis. 244 00:17:57,119 --> 00:18:03,400 Speaker 5: Perse problems theaters pol He said. 245 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 3: He was away from his roots, from his land, from 246 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 3: Juadis and his friends. He was in a huge city alone, 247 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:13,239 Speaker 3: young and poor, and there seemed to be trouble all 248 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:17,160 Speaker 3: around him. In fact, the robbery charge wasn't the first 249 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:24,720 Speaker 3: or only time Puanga ended up incarcerated. You see, Huanga's 250 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:28,399 Speaker 3: prison file begins the year before the robbery incident at 251 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 3: the party October nineteen sixty six, his first arrest. This 252 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 3: earlier arrest has never, as far as we can tell, 253 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 3: been made public, and it gives us a sense of 254 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 3: the precarious nature of being a young queer man at 255 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 3: this time. 256 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 4: Are you wea comino? Yeh e. 257 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 3: That's Jacqueline from the Mexican National Archives again she showed 258 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:59,879 Speaker 3: me how. The file says that Huanga was just sixteen 259 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 3: when he was walking down the street in Mexico City 260 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 3: with two friends and the police stopped them. 261 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 4: New tra. 262 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 3: Kuanga told a social worker that the cops who stopped 263 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 3: him asked for money. When Huanga had none to give them, 264 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 3: they arrested him and charged him with pedophilia. 265 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 4: But I know Jevar loos Conesta via Ustamenteve was on 266 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 4: a preference. 267 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 3: No arbitrary arrests were a common tactic used against gay people, 268 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:41,719 Speaker 3: says Jacqueline, and says Navia Ras. Jacqueline says the cops 269 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 3: had no reason to arrest Huanga. The file presents absolutely 270 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 3: no evidence for the pedophile charge, only that Huanga is 271 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 3: quote homosexual. Jacqueline believes, based on her research, that the 272 00:19:56,040 --> 00:20:00,399 Speaker 3: pedophilia accusation was a bogus charge. She belie leaves the 273 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 3: police arrested Huanga for essentially looking gay in public. 274 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 4: So pen Sabela most sexually a houstamente comone fermee. 275 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 3: Queerness was thought of as a mental illness, Jacqueline says, 276 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:21,440 Speaker 3: something to correct. Technically, it hadn't been illegal to be 277 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:25,399 Speaker 3: gay in Mexico since the late eighteen hundreds, but the 278 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 3: authorities would find other ways to imprison queer folks, from 279 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 3: false charges to a subjective clause in the penal code 280 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:40,359 Speaker 3: called faltas a lamoral moral failure. Here's anthropologist Marcio Samboni. 281 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 12: The police framed of sexual people and arrest them even 282 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 12: though what they were doing was consensual, So they find 283 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:49,440 Speaker 12: ways to say what they were doing was a crime 284 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:50,160 Speaker 12: of morality. 285 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:54,919 Speaker 3: But it wasn't always like this. Scholars believe that before 286 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 3: the Spanish arrived in what is now Mexico, indigenous people 287 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 3: were more ex accepting of queerness. Europeans sometimes used this 288 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 3: fact to justify their violent conquest. For example, in Panama, 289 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 3: where Gristella is from. By the way, when one conquistador 290 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 3: saw men dressed as women, he threw a native king 291 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 3: and forty people to his dogs to be eaten. Colonization 292 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:28,400 Speaker 3: shaped the stigma against queerness in much of the Americas, 293 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:33,160 Speaker 3: and Lecumberri Prison was an embodiment of that. You see 294 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:36,479 Speaker 3: at Lecumberri. Each cell block had a letter and an 295 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:41,200 Speaker 3: associated crime. According to an often repeated story, the j 296 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 3: or Jota cell block at Lecumberi was where LGBTQ prisoners 297 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:51,680 Speaker 3: were sent, so the homophobic slur joto or hota originated 298 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 3: in this prison. It's debated whether or not this story 299 00:21:55,880 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 3: is true. Regardless, transactivist Ari Vera Morales says, the story 300 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 3: of the j bloc sent a message about gay people. 301 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 3: Here's Marcio again. 302 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:10,639 Speaker 12: You are a criminal. Your place is in prison, and 303 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 12: your place is not allly in prison, but in a 304 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 12: spectual pavilion in a prison. So like, you are a criminal, 305 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 12: and you are a criminal that cannot even be with 306 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 12: other criminals. You are a worst kind of criminal. 307 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,680 Speaker 3: It wasn't until two thousand and one that the Mexican 308 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 3: Constitution was amended to prohibit discrimination based on sexual orientation. Today, 309 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:35,200 Speaker 3: it feels like queerness is more normalized in the country. 310 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,400 Speaker 3: A trans woman when the Evada won a top rated 311 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 3: reality TV show recently, Evada jung. All Mexican states have 312 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:50,719 Speaker 3: legalized gay marriage, not all of them allow gay couples 313 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:54,439 Speaker 3: to adopt children. But in recent years, Mexico has been 314 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 3: named as the second deadliest country for trans people, according 315 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:02,359 Speaker 3: to a human rights group. So being queer can still 316 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 3: be dangerous there even now. And yet, despite the stigmatized 317 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 3: position of gay people in sixties Mexico, sixteen seventeen year 318 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:22,160 Speaker 3: old Huanga didn't hide. In his prison file, Huanga admits 319 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 3: to being gay. It's actually the only place we know 320 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 3: that he ever admitted it during intake interviews with a 321 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 3: social worker. He said he'd known he was gay since 322 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 3: he was a child. He told prison officials that he 323 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 3: would change if he could. We'll be right back, Hey, 324 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 3: we're back. Huanga would say that being incarcerated had brought 325 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 3: him a lot of shame and thought. It's clear that 326 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:09,879 Speaker 3: his time in prison forever mark Twanga. He'd say that 327 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 3: he vowed at the time to never ever be incarcerated again. 328 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 5: Kamas and. 329 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 3: His determined tone there strikes me. His resolve to never 330 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 3: again be in that vulnerable position. It makes me ask 331 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:37,160 Speaker 3: if that informed his decision to never fully come out. 332 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 3: Because both times Huanga was arrested, it was his queerness 333 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:47,479 Speaker 3: that made him a target. It makes me wonder if 334 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:52,159 Speaker 3: Huanga never again directly said he was gay, because it 335 00:24:52,400 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 3: was being queer that cost him. When I learned of 336 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 3: the persecution against Swanga, it made me think, surprisingly not 337 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:12,160 Speaker 3: of Mexico's past, but of the US right now, especially 338 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 3: the pedophile charge. That reminded me of the culture war 339 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 3: against queer and trans people. 340 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: Today, the DP has introduced a slow of don't say 341 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 1: gay style bills that target the community. 342 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 3: They're even accusing the left of grooming children to become gay. 343 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 3: Gristella and I have been watching the news in the States, 344 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:32,440 Speaker 3: keeping tabs. 345 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:38,160 Speaker 7: I think our lives are going to become increasingly difficult, 346 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 7: and we need to be aware of who's getting elected 347 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:49,159 Speaker 7: and what's coming. I'm less worried about them changing it 348 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 7: at a federal level. I'm more worried about what the 349 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,920 Speaker 7: states are going to be doing to make queer life hard. 350 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, if things got extreme, you know, I 351 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,879 Speaker 3: know that there are queer couples already leaving Florida. 352 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,119 Speaker 7: Like the extreme stuff that you're talking about is already here. 353 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 3: Gristella is right, of course. I'm thinking about how I 354 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 3: have to leave my beloved desert, the place where my 355 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:26,160 Speaker 3: family has been for generations, if say, the Supreme Court 356 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:29,159 Speaker 3: took the right to marriage away and Texas banned it. 357 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,119 Speaker 3: But even more than that, I just want to be 358 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 3: able to live a full, open life with my non 359 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:41,159 Speaker 3: binary partner without fearing for their safety. But sometimes it 360 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,920 Speaker 3: feels like we're bracing for our future together instead of 361 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 3: celebrating it. 362 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:48,720 Speaker 4: I know. 363 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,920 Speaker 7: That my life is going to dramatically change when I move, 364 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 7: but your life will as well, just because of the 365 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:01,959 Speaker 7: optics of you in the world when I'm by your 366 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:06,879 Speaker 7: side changes and I need you to be. 367 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:07,399 Speaker 9: Ready for that. 368 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 3: With Juangabrielle, it always comes back to his art. That's 369 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 3: how he got noticed in prison. 370 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:30,119 Speaker 6: I met Guangabrielle. Everybody last because I met you. 371 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:30,640 Speaker 8: Min Yill. 372 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,679 Speaker 3: That's Josenda puent This. Her father was a prison director 373 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,399 Speaker 3: at Lecumberi when Huanga was behind bars. 374 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 6: It was my dad's birthday and my mom and I said, 375 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:42,640 Speaker 6: let's go and see your dad. 376 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 3: They took a cake and her mom asked if any 377 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 3: of the inmates could sing. 378 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 6: Yes, yes, yes, there's a young guy here that seems 379 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:52,639 Speaker 6: very nice and plays the guitar. 380 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 3: Salberto was called over to sing, and right away, Rosenda's 381 00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 3: mom noticed something different about him. He felt the words 382 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 3: he sang. So then they asked him when he was 383 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:06,119 Speaker 3: in prison, and they believed Tuanga when he said he 384 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 3: was framed for robbery at the party. 385 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:12,399 Speaker 6: Because it didn't make sense. They said that the jewelries 386 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 6: were stolen, and I mean, if you're going to steal something, 387 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 6: you just don't stay there, right, you just steal and gold. 388 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 3: Rosenda's mom was like, we got to help this kid. 389 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 3: She felt like he was such a respectful, kind young man. 390 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 13: He was a beautiful person, trying God that my mother 391 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 13: believe on him and told my dad to put his 392 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,680 Speaker 13: file on top because this kid was innocent. 393 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 3: So Rosenda's mom was determined to help Huanga. She pushed 394 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 3: her husband to get Huanga released early to help his case. 395 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 3: Rosenda's mom was also connected in the music industry. Her 396 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:54,200 Speaker 3: sister in law was the singer lepret Linda. Together they 397 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 3: helped Twanga, but it took many months. He was in 398 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 3: the le Kumberre prison for almost two years from the 399 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 3: robbery charge. Huanga never spoke in detail about what he 400 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:12,000 Speaker 3: went through inside Legumberri. We know he was allowed to 401 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 3: leave the prison to sing at private parties and that 402 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 3: music was an escape, something that saved him. He had 403 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 3: powerful allies like Rossenda's family, so it's possible he didn't 404 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 3: face the worst of Lecumberri. Still, it was clearly a 405 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:35,960 Speaker 3: punishing place. So in prison, Huanga channeled all his pain 406 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 3: and heartbreak into music. Who will support that He wrote 407 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 3: many songs behind bars. He said he turned solitude into 408 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 3: a friend. 409 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 5: Abia mean Monchama Meho. 410 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,959 Speaker 3: When Rosenda's family finally got Huanga out of prison, Quanga 411 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,120 Speaker 3: lived with him for almost a year while he wrote 412 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,240 Speaker 3: music and auditioned at record labels. 413 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:19,280 Speaker 6: When he gets a melody on his head and right 414 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 6: away the words come to him. Some songs were done 415 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 6: very fast. 416 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,880 Speaker 3: Writing songs sometimes in just ten minutes, just casually being 417 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:31,480 Speaker 3: a genius. It wasn't long before he'd penned what record 418 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:42,600 Speaker 3: executives recognized as a massive Hitvaing with Some It hit 419 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 3: number five on the Latin Billboard charts, and it turned 420 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:51,720 Speaker 3: him into a superstar in Latin America. He went big 421 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:59,200 Speaker 3: right away, or yoladaya. Guanga said he didn't know if 422 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 3: his songs gave him his life or if he gave 423 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 3: life to the songs. Picture the week I was writing 424 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,920 Speaker 3: this episode, I went to New York City with Gristella. 425 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 3: It was Pride and we went to the Dyke March, 426 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 3: one of the oldest parades for queer women. 427 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:29,640 Speaker 4: Absolutely thank you. 428 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 3: Bristella and I walked together, kind of electrified by the 429 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:34,880 Speaker 3: energy of it all. 430 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 14: This is one of the first times in my life 431 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:43,840 Speaker 14: where I feel like, multiple times a day I've been 432 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:49,080 Speaker 14: like checked out, no, no, no, I've been like people 433 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 14: have clock two is good? 434 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:59,040 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I feel great, you feel I feel so. 435 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 4: Happy, I feel so good. I want one of those fans. 436 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:17,240 Speaker 3: We walked hand in hand, and I thought about Juan Gabrielle, 437 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 3: how I wish he'd had the chance to do this, 438 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:25,200 Speaker 3: to march with queer community, holding his lover's hand out 439 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:30,200 Speaker 3: in the open. You know, Rosen, the Huanga's friend, told 440 00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:33,440 Speaker 3: me he was hungry for love. He was someone who 441 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:38,480 Speaker 3: caught big feelings for people. He wept after breakups with boyfriends. 442 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:44,040 Speaker 3: I wish the world hadn't forced him to hide that love. Ultimately, 443 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 3: that's what convinced me to record Gristelene. For months. There 444 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:52,120 Speaker 3: were so many queer couples who had to hide. But 445 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:55,440 Speaker 3: here we have a chance to make a record of us, 446 00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,080 Speaker 3: to say we were here and our love was real 447 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:03,520 Speaker 3: and it mattered, and it was bountiful. This point in 448 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:08,320 Speaker 3: my life just feels so abundant. I never knew that 449 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:09,840 Speaker 3: I was allowed to be this happy. 450 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:16,240 Speaker 10: You know, you deserve this happiness. You bring so much 451 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 10: goodness into the world. Yeah, you're such a light. 452 00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:35,800 Speaker 3: You're just laughing. You know what really stayed with me 453 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,880 Speaker 3: about Huanga's time in prison that it was only after 454 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:45,600 Speaker 3: facing incarceration that he says he met himself when Alberto 455 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 3: found Juan Gabrielle. 456 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:49,800 Speaker 5: I don't just tell you for a kid job. 457 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,840 Speaker 3: I wonder what exactly he meant by that. It could 458 00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,800 Speaker 3: be that he found the songwriter within him, and it's 459 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:02,640 Speaker 3: inspiring to me how he transformed such a terrible experience 460 00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:06,920 Speaker 3: into such beautiful music. But I like to think he 461 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:10,920 Speaker 3: also meant something else, because it was in this prison 462 00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:15,080 Speaker 3: where he was penalized for his queerness, that he ultimately 463 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:22,400 Speaker 3: morphed into his flamboyant on stage persona. There's something powerful 464 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:26,400 Speaker 3: in that it was during this time where he was 465 00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:32,000 Speaker 3: literally criminalized, that even if he never again told anyone 466 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:36,920 Speaker 3: he was gay, he looked within and found the courage 467 00:34:37,320 --> 00:35:03,239 Speaker 3: to be Juan Gavrielle, sparkling, exuberant, unapologetic. Coming up on 468 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:09,080 Speaker 3: episode four, Kuanga reaches peak superstardom in the eighties. His 469 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,480 Speaker 3: feminine exuberance on stage is undeniable. 470 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:16,600 Speaker 5: I remember my older brothers loved the song, but I 471 00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:19,320 Speaker 5: also remember them murmuring. 472 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:23,160 Speaker 3: You know, you know he's gay. Then the release of 473 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:28,239 Speaker 3: an explosive book about Huanga unleashes a media obsession that 474 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,040 Speaker 3: would go on for decades. 475 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,080 Speaker 5: He couldn't fully come out because he still needed to 476 00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,560 Speaker 5: fool all those in the theas. 477 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,920 Speaker 3: Right people try to force Huanga out of the closet, 478 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,040 Speaker 3: and it makes me reflect on the ways I may 479 00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,960 Speaker 3: or may not be in the closet with my own family. 480 00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:55,239 Speaker 3: It's here I can know that's all coming up in 481 00:35:55,320 --> 00:36:06,360 Speaker 3: the next episode. My Devo is an Apple original podcast 482 00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:10,960 Speaker 3: produced by Futuro Studios. This episode was written and reported 483 00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:16,240 Speaker 3: by me Maria Garcia and Nicole Rothwell. Our senior producer 484 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:20,720 Speaker 3: is Fernanda Echavari. The show is produced by Nicole Rothwell, 485 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:27,680 Speaker 3: Gini Montalvo, Lili Res, Joaquin Cotler, Tasha Sandol and Alicia Fernandez. 486 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:33,880 Speaker 3: Our editor is Marlon Bischop. Spanish adaptation by Essequiel Rodriguez 487 00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:39,400 Speaker 3: Andino and Fernando Ernandez Besserra. Our senior production managers are 488 00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:44,080 Speaker 3: Nicole Rothwell and Jessica Ellis, with post production support from 489 00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:50,640 Speaker 3: Nancy Trujillo. Mixing by Stephanie Lebau, Julia Caruso and Gabriela Biaz. 490 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:55,640 Speaker 3: Fact checking by Nidia Bautista. Our original music is by 491 00:36:55,760 --> 00:37:01,920 Speaker 3: Paul Weitkiz, scoring and musical curation by Stephanie Our Executive 492 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:06,759 Speaker 3: producers are Marlon Bishop and Me. Legal review by Neil Rossini, 493 00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:13,680 Speaker 3: Adrian Ojeda Cuevas, Jimena Jauregi and Serjio Gomez. Futuro Media 494 00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:19,279 Speaker 3: was founded by Maria Inojosa. Follow and listen on Apple Podcasts. 495 00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:23,319 Speaker 3: I'm Maria Garcia. Thank you for listening. See you next time.