1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 2: Welcome back to the show, fellow Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, 3 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 2: as always so much for tuning in. Let's hear it 4 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:37,239 Speaker 2: for the wonder of the podcasting world, our super producer, 5 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:38,519 Speaker 2: mister Max Williams. 6 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 3: Is there anything more wonderful than a wonder Max? 7 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:45,200 Speaker 4: Wonders really are wonderful? Williams. 8 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's Noel Brown. I'm Ben Bowlela. We're coming to 9 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 2: you live and direct, and we are going to roast 10 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 2: our brother and podcast arms a little bit here because 11 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 2: you are the research associate for this one. Max, you 12 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:06,960 Speaker 2: wrote this sentence wonders are really are wonderful, and then 13 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 2: you appropriately roasted yourself because you knew I was gonna 14 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 2: do it if you did. 15 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 4: That's a wonderful starting line, he says. Wonderful job there, Max, 16 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 4: and we're here for you to say the same thing. 17 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 4: Thank you, Max. What a wonderful compliment. That's you thinking yourself. 18 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 4: But we're also giving it to you as outsiders looking in. 19 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 2: Yes, of course, Noel, can we say this part together, 20 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 2: the last sentence of that one? 21 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 4: Oh gosh, yes, of course, Max. You are just wonderful, 22 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 4: wonderful man. 23 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 2: This is a continuing series for us. We've got some 24 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 2: We've got more episodes on the way spoiler three, and 25 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 2: it's not going to end the way you think. This 26 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 2: one is part five of this series. 27 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 4: It is the. 28 00:01:56,720 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 2: Temple of Artemis, also as the Artemisia. 29 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 4: Artemis is the one with the bow and arrow, right. 30 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:09,920 Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, basically, basically it's like a t MoU brand 31 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 2: of Diana. 32 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, Artemis, the Greek goddess of the hunt, always depicted 33 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 4: with a bow and arrow. 34 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. So the Temple of Artemis, according to Ephesian tourism 35 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 2: and DMC is or was spoiler one of the seven 36 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 2: Wonders of the ancient world, and it is seen as 37 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 2: similar to like the Colossus of Rhodes. It's seen as 38 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 2: this testament to humanities, hold my beer approach to making 39 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 2: unnecessarily amazing things. 40 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 4: Mortorline weird flexes. But okay, oh yeah, oh for sure. 41 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 2: It's it was located in the city of Ephesius, which 42 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 2: is now part of modern day Turkey. A and it was, 43 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 2: you know, it was a temple, a sight of religious significance. 44 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 2: Before we get into the story, we got to understand 45 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 2: some of the context and the context that you so 46 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 2: beautifully foreshadowed there. Noel is the concept of Artemis in 47 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 2: general in Greek religion. Back in those days, as in 48 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:24,080 Speaker 2: the modern day, you have to be kind of a 49 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 2: big deal to have a statue or a temple or 50 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:28,519 Speaker 2: a building named after you. 51 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 4: Truth. Yeah. No, nowadays you can commission one to be built, 52 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 4: you know. 53 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 2: For yourself. Sure, maybe at the White House possibly cool. 54 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 2: Walk down the street from that one, we love down 55 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 2: down Kay Street. Ooh nice, Oh, I love that. Yeah. 56 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 2: So the thing that we adore about Greek mythology is 57 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 2: that it is a polytheistic enterprise. So Artemis is the 58 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 2: goddess of wild animal, the hunt, the goddess of vegetation, 59 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 2: the goddess of chastity, and paradoxically childbirth. 60 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, it's also paradoxical that she's the goddess of 61 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 4: wild animals, the hunt, and vegetables. She's a bit of 62 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 4: an omnivore. 63 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, that does feel like it's four point thirty on 64 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:22,159 Speaker 2: a Friday and they're just figuring out attributes. 65 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:24,280 Speaker 4: Just chuck that one in there too, Just pop it 66 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:25,720 Speaker 4: around for vegetables. 67 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 2: Someone's like snapping their fingers in the pitch meeting and 68 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:33,159 Speaker 2: they're going animals, also hunting animals. 69 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 4: Minerals in there. 70 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, And this this character, this concept, this 71 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 2: deity is later identified by the famous plagiariss the Romans 72 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 2: with Diane. 73 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 4: Hey, you know, if you're gonna steal, steal, well they did. 74 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 4: They did a pretty good job, made it their own. 75 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:58,160 Speaker 4: And yeah, she was a bit of a fan favorite, Artemis, 76 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 4: oh very much. She's the daughter of Zeus and Leto, 77 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 4: not Jared, and she is the twin sister of Apollo, 78 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 4: the god. 79 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:10,600 Speaker 2: Not your daughter. 80 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that's been named after I do believe are 81 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:17,039 Speaker 4: possibly named after Apollo Creek because he's tough, but so 82 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 4: was Apollo the gods. So yeah, like I was saying, 83 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:25,799 Speaker 4: Among the locals, the rural populace, Artemis was a favorite 84 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:30,480 Speaker 4: goddess because they really relied on the hunt. They relied 85 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:33,480 Speaker 4: on crops, then she kind of and they relied on 86 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 4: healthy childbirth, you know, hopefully not dying in childbirth, which 87 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 4: was certainly a thing that happened more often than one 88 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:44,839 Speaker 4: would like. So she represented a lot of things that 89 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 4: were very important to the average humans, the average citizens. 90 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent, dude. And also, like so many 91 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 2: other gods, in these pantheons, her aspects or specific functions, 92 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:04,119 Speaker 2: the things people would worshiper for they varied over place 93 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:06,599 Speaker 2: to place, right, So, you could go to one town 94 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 2: and they would be like, Artemis is awesome at vegetables. 95 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:13,799 Speaker 2: You go to another town and they'd be like, Artemis 96 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 2: is awesome for chastity. And then you go to another 97 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 2: town they'd say, well, we're more into the childbirth aspect. 98 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:26,479 Speaker 2: So apparently if you look at the forest instead of 99 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 2: just the individual trees of temples, behind all of the aspects, 100 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 2: there was this goddess who embodied wild nature, the forest, 101 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:44,479 Speaker 2: the mountains, the marshes. She was the sportsman's ideal. So 102 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 2: in addition to killing wild game, she also protected wild animals. 103 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 2: She's like a problematic captain planet. 104 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, you know, I mean there's a balance to that, right, 105 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 4: I mean, even today we've got the whatever, the Fish 106 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:03,840 Speaker 4: and Wildlife Organization. I'm sorry, I'm totally getting the name wrong, 107 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:05,279 Speaker 4: but the idea of like you have to have a 108 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 4: hunting license so that you can balance out how many 109 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 4: animals are killed versus how many are born, et cetera. 110 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 4: Not going to say that it's a perfect science, but 111 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 4: this idea of the balance of nature is very important 112 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 4: even to this day and probably not honored nearly as 113 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 4: well as it was back under Artemis's watch. 114 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. Also, there were a lot more wild non human 115 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 2: animals back in the day. So we want to give 116 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 2: a special shout out to super producer research associate Max 117 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 2: Williams for shouting out the day dra from Elder Scrolls. 118 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 2: I know you well, bro her scene, that's a great reference. 119 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 2: You want to say something about her scene real quick? 120 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 4: Nah? 121 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 2: All right, fair enough Max, with the facts. Yeah, let's 122 00:07:52,040 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 2: do it. Also to follow up real quick for Skyrim fans, 123 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 2: you can get a ring of her scene, which allows 124 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 2: you more werewolf transformations. 125 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:23,119 Speaker 3: You also you can always get the high to here scene, 126 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 3: which you get from ripping the hide off of a werewolf. 127 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 4: Yes, yes, graphic. 128 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:31,679 Speaker 2: So those are the two most important parts of this episode. Uh. 129 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 2: With that done, let's uh, let's talk a little bit 130 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:40,200 Speaker 2: about the location of the Temple of Artemis, which leads 131 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 2: us to how it became a wonder of the world 132 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 2: in the first place. 133 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 4: Well, yeah, you start hearing about a thesis around the 134 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:51,679 Speaker 4: mid seventh century BCE Britannica rights that it was attacked 135 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:57,319 Speaker 4: by Simrians, not Summarians. This is C I M M 136 00:08:57,400 --> 00:08:59,559 Speaker 4: E R I A N. That's not the same thing, right, 137 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 4: there's no So it's like codin. So for a part 138 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 4: of the early sixth century, it was under the rule 139 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 4: of tyrants. This is a you know, a ruling plundering 140 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 4: people essentially, you know, wreck shop and took over. 141 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, very much not a democracy. The might is right 142 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 2: rule is what decides the political machinations of the day. 143 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 2: So the issue here is very high stakes game of 144 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 2: throne stuff. We're talking about political alliances through marriage. So 145 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:43,439 Speaker 2: our good friends in the town of Fijius are allied 146 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 2: by or allied by marriage to the kings of Lydia, 147 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 2: which means that this other dude, a Lydian guy named 148 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 2: Crosius runs the place. He has SU's ranity over it. 149 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 4: You rock suzerain a lot, don't you. Ben I seem 150 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 4: to give it to us again because I'm kind of 151 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:08,199 Speaker 4: misconstruing the meaning a little bit. 152 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 2: It's like the best way to say it is it's 153 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 2: a kind of fake autonomy or a miniature version of sovereignty. 154 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 2: So suserinity means that you will have two states and 155 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 2: there's a vassal state or a subservient lower state, and 156 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 2: it has its own government, but it can't really do 157 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:40,680 Speaker 2: anything other than what the daddy state tells. 158 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:46,319 Speaker 4: So it's almost like a democracy in name only, right, Yeah, 159 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:50,200 Speaker 4: you could say autonomy and name only I suppose, yeah, 160 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 4: internal autonomy and so like Iceland has relative autonomy internally 161 00:10:56,520 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 4: but ultimately another government from the European Union controls it. 162 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:07,199 Speaker 2: Or you could say Volbard has since we're sticking to 163 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 2: North Atlantics, Valbard has internal autonomy, but ultimately Norway makes 164 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 2: all the global calls believe India. 165 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 4: Is a Sousan souzarin the team. Oh yeah, I think 166 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 4: that's right. Yeah, I'm looking up some of modern examples 167 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 4: and that one's coming up. But that might be a 168 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 4: topic for another day because I think we've clearly kicked 169 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 4: it around enough and maybe it's worth further exploration. 170 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 2: If we dive into the story and we go to 171 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 2: seven Wonders dot Org, we'll see that there are ancient 172 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 2: Greek tales that attribute the origin of Artemis worship in 173 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 2: Ephesius to a legendary group called the Amazons hashtag not 174 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 2: Jeff Bezos. 175 00:11:57,559 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 4: No, this is like the yeah, the warrior class, right, 176 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:03,080 Speaker 4: the Warrior group. 177 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, the Warrior. 178 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:07,679 Speaker 4: Women, Yes, exactly, thank you, thank you. I believe Wonder 179 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 4: Woman was one. She was one of the wonders of 180 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:17,320 Speaker 4: the ancient world herself. Archaeological excavations that happened before World 181 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 4: War One discovered three previous versions of temples, each stacked 182 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 4: and built atop the other one on the same site. 183 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 4: We'll get back to this a little bit. The idea 184 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 4: of what's that bit from Monty Python the Holy Grail, 185 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 4: the castle that kept it sunk into the swamp. So 186 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:37,199 Speaker 4: I built another castle. Let did it second to the 187 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 4: swamp too? And then yes, and this one stood or 188 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 4: the ancient city of Troy also true. 189 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 3: Have you guys seen the title? Look at the title 190 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 3: the name of this episode in the brief. Yes, oh yes, 191 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:50,680 Speaker 3: the one burn down, fell over into What I was writing, 192 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 3: it's all you think about, was the Monty Python's. 193 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:54,719 Speaker 4: Going, Oh gosh, yeah, do go and check out that bit. 194 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:57,440 Speaker 4: It's it's delightful. And I was totally misquoting it, but yeah, 195 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 4: you nailed it. Not only it burned down, fell over 196 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 4: and then sank into this one. So we have two 197 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:06,199 Speaker 4: previous temples that for reasons didn't make it and then 198 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 4: this wonder of the ancient world was built on top of. 199 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 2: Those I love for reasons. By the way, that's up 200 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 2: there with mistakes were made true where I have become strange. 201 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 2: Oh yes, that's our old one. By the way, folks 202 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:27,439 Speaker 2: speed behind the curtain. On a different show, Buddy Nolan 203 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 2: and I figured out that you can get away with 204 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 2: dodging any social situation by saying I'm sorry, I can't 205 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:37,839 Speaker 2: make it. I have become strange. 206 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 4: I would not say necessarily get away. It's an out 207 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 4: for sure, but then there are questions. 208 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 2: There's a diminishing return at a certain point. It will 209 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:50,079 Speaker 2: work once in any group chat. 210 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 4: For sure. I think the best move that you originated, 211 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:55,680 Speaker 4: Ben is just the hey it's Ben from earlier, which 212 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:58,960 Speaker 4: I use all the time in my private life, not 213 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:00,040 Speaker 4: with your name, with my. 214 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 2: But yeah, it's a great one. Yeah, introduce yourself as 215 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 2: Kama from earlier in most social situations, and people will 216 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:12,559 Speaker 2: be so mortified by the idea of admitting that they 217 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 2: don't know who you are that nine times nine point 218 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:18,679 Speaker 2: three times out of ten they will go with us. 219 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 2: So anyway, look back to the more important thing, how 220 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 2: did this become this succession of temples. How did it 221 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 2: become considered one of the ancient wonders of the world. 222 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 2: It gets its entry into the list around five point 223 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 2: fifty BCE. There is a cretion architect named Chersifron and 224 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 2: his son co signs him here, the king of Lydia Crosis, 225 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 2: the guy we mentioned earlier who has suseranity and is 226 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 2: kind of a pill A. 227 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 4: Bit of a butt head, yeah, a bit of a. 228 00:14:55,920 --> 00:15:00,120 Speaker 2: Head meeting of butt There's this new statue of the 229 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 2: Goddess that sculpted by a guy named ind OUs E 230 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 2: N d I O S. And then they also made 231 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 2: a small temple that had like a little pop up 232 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 2: mini temple that had columns or pillars, triangular structure above 233 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 2: the look they made it a thing, is what we're saying, 234 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 2: sort of an arc way of housing the goddess. 235 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 4: The sculpture of the Goddess herself. It was, according to 236 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:35,359 Speaker 4: Ephesian tourism and the d MC, quite the architectural masterpiece, 237 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 4: exemplifying the skill and artistry of ancient builders. It demonstrated 238 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 4: a lot of very very important architectural structural techniques that 239 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 4: were perfected by the Romans. 240 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 2: Absolutely. Let's imagine if television existed and you heard a 241 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 2: TV ad for this, or if podcast existed and you 242 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 2: heard an ad for this, they would say, the Temple 243 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 2: of Artemis. You like columns, you like iotic columns, Well 244 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 2: we got you. We got so many columns. We got 245 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 2: more than one hundred columns, maybe one hundred and thirty, 246 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 2: maybe one hundred and twenty seven. You gotta see for yourself, 247 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 2: but we'll tell you. The columns are so tall, sixty feet. 248 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 2: This is an imposing temple. 249 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 4: Dude. Your pitch right there reminds me of there's this 250 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 4: store in New Jersey. There's a band named after it 251 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 4: called Fountains of Wayne, and it is just it is 252 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 4: a store that just sells fountains. And it's in Wayne, 253 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 4: New Jersey, and it is featured in an episode of 254 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 4: The Sopranos where Tony goes to buy a fountain. And 255 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 4: it also they sell things like like weird sculptural busts 256 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 4: and stuff that you might have, you know, on your 257 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 4: lawn or veranda. 258 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 2: You need a balustrade, you need a quidich, come. 259 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 4: Come, come on down to columns of Wayne. 260 00:16:56,840 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 2: You got columns of Wayne. So the temple roof is 261 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:06,119 Speaker 2: super fancy They've got these intricate, ornate carvings and sculptures 262 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:10,919 Speaker 2: that all depict various scenes from Greek mythology. And you 263 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:14,479 Speaker 2: see this the world round and holy sites right like 264 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 2: angor Watt is another famous example of world away. This 265 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 2: stuff is so incredibly impressive and it's really it's an 266 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:34,399 Speaker 2: exhibition of high level craftsmanship for the time. This makes 267 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:40,639 Speaker 2: the Temple of Artemis an absolute show stopping stutter. That's 268 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:46,119 Speaker 2: the first temple. It's really impressive, and then it got 269 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:52,680 Speaker 2: destroyed and we see again there's a pattern here. You're thinking, folks, 270 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 2: fellow ridiculous historians. You're thinking, I'm going to tick because 271 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 2: you apparently have a bad British chex it. You're thinking, 272 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:06,880 Speaker 2: this is episode five of you guys with the Wonders 273 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 2: of the World, So why what about the previous four wonders? 274 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 2: What are we talking about? Check out our Hanging Gardens episode. 275 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:24,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a banger. Q. Are we about to get 276 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:30,160 Speaker 4: into some mayhem here? We've teased some burnings and sackings 277 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:33,680 Speaker 4: and crushings and topplings. We got to get to it right, Yeah, 278 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:34,359 Speaker 4: let's do it. 279 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:35,120 Speaker 2: Well. 280 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:37,399 Speaker 4: The first one's a little underwhelming, as we've already teased 281 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 4: with the money Python refs. The temple faced its first catastrophic, 282 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:47,920 Speaker 4: let's say, failure due to a severe flood in the 283 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 4: seventh century, causing more than half a meter of sand 284 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:55,440 Speaker 4: and debris to be deposited, which covered the original clay 285 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 4: foundation of the temple, and the subsequent flooding. 286 00:18:59,600 --> 00:18:59,919 Speaker 2: Led to. 287 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 4: Further silt deposits, which gradually elevated the site by about 288 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:10,119 Speaker 4: two meters and caused it to become structurally unsound. 289 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:14,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, and for a lot of us, especially people who 290 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 2: live in a low elevation area, this feels counterintuitive because 291 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:25,360 Speaker 2: we're thinking, oh, it raised from the ground, right, shouldn't 292 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 2: that make it more safe. Unfortunately, it was a real 293 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 2: touch touch situation because as the centuries continued, the thing 294 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 2: kept rising due to that, due to that to breed 295 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 2: you described, and people kept using the temple until you know, 296 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 2: it sank. 297 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:57,680 Speaker 4: What goes up must come down. However, they weren't gonna 298 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 4: they weren't gonna put up with this, those a few, 299 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 4: those crafty Ephesians, so they decided to rebuild it. After 300 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 4: a reconstruction period in around five point fifty BCE that 301 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 4: was paid for by Crotius who's the ruler of Ephesius. 302 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:22,639 Speaker 4: The architect Cherisifron and his son Metagenes Metagenous. Perhaps they 303 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 4: were responsible for overseeing the massive construction project. And they 304 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:30,199 Speaker 4: did some you know, they did some plussing up of 305 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:33,879 Speaker 4: it as well. They added some marble structures measuring one 306 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 4: hundred and fifteen meters long and forty six meters wide, 307 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 4: and adding further you know, wow factor architectural embellishments, like 308 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 4: the double rows of columns that do you want colum? Yeah, 309 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:48,440 Speaker 4: we got more. 310 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 2: We got so many columns. The rumors about the temples 311 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:57,399 Speaker 2: sinking into the swamp are ma larking cub C Temple. 312 00:20:57,040 --> 00:21:01,120 Speaker 4: Two, Temple two, I love it, thirteen meters high, surrounding 313 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 4: the what was referred to as the Cella, which was 314 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:08,640 Speaker 4: an inner sanctum that actually housed the image of Artemis. 315 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, and this again, as you said, I love the 316 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 2: phrase plus up this is bigger, better, bolder, faster, stronger, 317 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 2: et cetera. Or however that song went, what was. 318 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 4: It daft punk? Yeah, yeah, it's one of the bigger, faster, harder, stronger. 319 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:28,639 Speaker 4: I think we might have left one out. Yeah, we 320 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 4: got this, We get the idea that was what's going 321 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 4: on here? Are you're going to come back? You got 322 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:37,200 Speaker 4: to come back harder, for sure. So, as we've hinted, 323 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:38,440 Speaker 4: this one didn't last either. 324 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:43,680 Speaker 2: Temple V two point zero gets destroyed in three point 325 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 2: fifty six BCE, this time due to a fire. The 326 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:54,399 Speaker 2: fire consumes the area. And look, folks, it may sound 327 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 2: weird when you hear a fire destroying a largely stone 328 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 2: and marble ten, but we have to remember there was 329 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 2: a bunch of flammable stuff around there as well, fabric 330 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:09,679 Speaker 2: and various decorations, and of course human beings well. 331 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 4: And of course we know that you know, over time, 332 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 4: long enough exposure to heat will degrade the structural soundness 333 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 4: of even the heaviest materials. 334 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:24,919 Speaker 2: Sure, and they depend upon wooden roof beams as well. 335 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:30,639 Speaker 2: The second destruction is probably due to an arsonist, a 336 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 2: guy named Herostratus or hero Stratus. He wanted to be famous. 337 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:40,880 Speaker 2: It's something a lot of people experience in ancient civilization 338 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:44,399 Speaker 2: and in the modern day. So for a long time 339 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:49,479 Speaker 2: his character was ruined because people said this guy wanted 340 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:52,440 Speaker 2: to go down in history as the dude who set 341 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 2: one of the world's greatest temples on fire. Luckily, other 342 00:22:56,920 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 2: historians and modern boffins have going back and done some research. 343 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 4: Les it appears there may have been something of a 344 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:08,480 Speaker 4: cover up, a foot or a conspiracy, you know, like 345 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 4: this guy maybe was made a fall guy. They point 346 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 4: out that it would have been incredibly difficult for him 347 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:16,399 Speaker 4: to access the framing of the roof that would have 348 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,439 Speaker 4: caused the structural issues that we're talking about here, and 349 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:21,920 Speaker 4: they suggest the possibility that it was actually the temple 350 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 4: administrators who were asleep at their post, and instead of 351 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:28,639 Speaker 4: fessing up to what they had done or what they 352 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:31,640 Speaker 4: hadn't done their negligence, they decided to hang it on 353 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:32,719 Speaker 4: this poor fellow. 354 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:36,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, the temple at might have done it something like 355 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 2: insurance fraud. They may have secretly started the fire because 356 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 2: they didn't even think about that temple add structural issues anyway, Yeah, 357 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 2: fast forward, Well, they. 358 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:51,640 Speaker 4: Also got his confession through you know, like enhanced interrogation. 359 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 5: Let's see right right, Yeah, we do know the plucky 360 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 5: Ephesians can't be kept down, so they build this thing 361 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,359 Speaker 5: again on the same site we set. 362 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:07,919 Speaker 2: The fire occurred in three fifty six BCE. Remember we 363 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:12,639 Speaker 2: count down when we're counting BCE, So just a little 364 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:17,119 Speaker 2: bit later, in three point fifty five BCE. The next 365 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 2: year they begin construction on the third temple. It takes 366 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:25,719 Speaker 2: a while, and it's done by three thirty BCE. And 367 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 2: this one, believe it or not, folks, just like the 368 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 2: story of the Houses of the Three Little Piggies, this 369 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 2: is the brick one. This is way better, way cooler, 370 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:43,440 Speaker 2: way more ostentatious than both of the other two temples. 371 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:44,200 Speaker 4: And way more columns. 372 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 2: Way, bitch, do want columns? Clearly? 373 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:47,880 Speaker 4: We do. 374 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:48,920 Speaker 2: Clearly. 375 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:51,119 Speaker 4: Columns is what the people want. One hundred and twenty 376 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:54,399 Speaker 4: seven to be precise. Uh, And as you can imagine, 377 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,119 Speaker 4: we've got one final whoopsie here in the form of 378 00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,879 Speaker 4: the Goths who came along in two sixty seven c 379 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:03,640 Speaker 4: You love the Goths, led by Respa Veduc and Thorar 380 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 4: this black metal stuff there, I love it. They raided 381 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 4: a Fesis and allegedly, like raiders are wont to do, 382 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,959 Speaker 4: set fire to the Temple of Artemis also known as 383 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:16,920 Speaker 4: the Temple of Diana. 384 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,679 Speaker 2: M right right, depending on how much you respect the 385 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 2: plagiarism of the Romans. Yeah, so I like Max. I 386 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:26,919 Speaker 2: like that you popped in just a nod by that 387 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:28,159 Speaker 2: way it was. 388 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 3: By this point in time, it had ticked over, and 389 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,159 Speaker 3: so now it was Roman rules. So they're calling it 390 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 3: by a different name, but it was the same dang thing. 391 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:40,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, And we don't know still how much damage was 392 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 2: inflicted on this temple by the Goths who were, as 393 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:48,360 Speaker 2: you said, just absolutely tearing up the town. But we 394 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 2: do believe that this was what we call an inflection 395 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:57,720 Speaker 2: point because after that Temple V. Three point zero falls 396 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 2: into intense disrepair, becomes what we in Atlanta call a bando. 397 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:07,440 Speaker 4: Remember when that interstate collapsed because there was like piles 398 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,400 Speaker 4: of a construction material underneath it that supposedly were set 399 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,439 Speaker 4: on fire by They hung it on again an individual, 400 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 4: an unhoused drug user person that they claimed was smoking 401 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:23,159 Speaker 4: a certain substance that very simplar kind of felt like 402 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 4: a fall guy situation. Can I also just say the 403 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 4: plagiarism of the Romans got me too, because I believe earlier, 404 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 4: when we were much earlier in the episode, I credited 405 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:37,680 Speaker 4: the Romans with those architectural advancements that they so liberally 406 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 4: nicked from the Greeks. 407 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:44,720 Speaker 2: The Romans, my bad chat, they would have loved it, 408 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:50,480 Speaker 2: loved it. So look you can. You can find the 409 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:56,639 Speaker 2: history of Temple v. Three point zero, closing during the 410 00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 2: persecution of Pagans later in the Roman Empire. And if 411 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 2: you look toward the boffins of the day, like Ammonius 412 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:10,399 Speaker 2: of Alexandria, you'll see suggestions that the temple may have 413 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 2: closed down as early as four to seven Common Era, 414 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 2: or may have lasted as long as the mid fourth century. Anyway, 415 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 2: it's a long time. It's weird when we get into 416 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 2: these kind of numbers because calendars are ridiculous. But after 417 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 2: the temple closes and polytheistic worship has kind of entered 418 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:42,880 Speaker 2: at Sunset era, the city converts to Christianity, and people 419 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 2: across the town of Ephesius alter different things, and including 420 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:54,119 Speaker 2: the temple itself, and they alter it to remove the 421 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:59,959 Speaker 2: name Artemis. They're not super concerned about preserving historical works 422 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 2: at this point. 423 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 4: No, if anything, they're more interested in bulldozing over them, 424 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 4: or at the very least repurposing them in their own image. 425 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 2: And right now we know that you cannot go and 426 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:16,119 Speaker 2: see any of the three versions of the Temple as 427 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 2: they stood in the days of yore. We actually don't 428 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,920 Speaker 2: know how the final Temple fell, But we do have 429 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,920 Speaker 2: one important thing we wanted to end on, so very important. 430 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 4: We can't do a wonder of the ancient world and 431 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:30,879 Speaker 4: not talk about SIEV. 432 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:37,440 Speaker 2: That's right, sid Meier's civilization. The thing everybody is thinking about. 433 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,120 Speaker 2: This counts as one of the wonders of the world 434 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 2: that you can build in some but not all iterations 435 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,800 Speaker 2: of the game civilization. So let's go live to our 436 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 2: civilization correspondent, mister Max Williams. Max, is it worth building 437 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 2: or not? 438 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 3: I mean, it really depends on which t if you're playing. Obviously, 439 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:01,720 Speaker 3: in I believe SIV is one and two, it's not 440 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 3: worth building because you can't build it. It's not in 441 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 3: the game. But uh, in a lot of the civilizations 442 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 3: it's just like okay, But in CIV six because it 443 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 3: has not appeared in the Newest one seven yet and 444 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 3: SIV six it is like probably one of the most 445 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,440 Speaker 3: overpowered wonders in the game, and you can get it 446 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 3: very early on. 447 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 4: So building these gives you like buffs, right is that they. 448 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 3: And only one civilization can have one. So let's just say, 449 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,040 Speaker 3: I'm we're all three of us are in the game, 450 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 3: and no, you build Temple of Artemis I can't build 451 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 3: a Temple of Artemis. What really sucks is I could 452 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 3: be like one turn away from finishing the Temple of 453 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,400 Speaker 3: Artemis and they build it. Yeah, it's a real kick 454 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 3: in the shin that you missed and went a little higher. 455 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 2: But you get some of your resources, You get resources back. 456 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 2: The issue is really whether or not in earlier iterations 457 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 2: of CIV pre civilization six, Uh, the Temple of Artemis 458 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 2: is mainly meant to be an advantage for trade and 459 00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 2: culture wins. 460 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:02,800 Speaker 3: Right in this one. It's for building like a mega city. Basically, 461 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 3: it gives you a bunch of housing, a bunch of food, 462 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,720 Speaker 3: and it has this really complex mechanic that we're not 463 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 3: going to explain on er because it'll Yeah, it's hard 464 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 3: for it's hard for me to understand. Basically, if you 465 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 3: have the right setup, it'll turn your country into the 466 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 3: happiest little country of all time. 467 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:21,360 Speaker 4: That sounds nice? 468 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 3: Is I love building it? 469 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 4: All? 470 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:27,280 Speaker 2: Right? So we've got the uh, we've got the official 471 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 2: rating of this as what you would call a meh 472 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 2: wonder correct, Max. 473 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,640 Speaker 3: No, No, it's me before SEF six, it is an 474 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 3: a tier I would say as tier if you have 475 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:42,200 Speaker 3: a bunch of camps, pastures and plantations around it within 476 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 3: four tiles. 477 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 2: And with that, folks, we hope you enjoyed our series, 478 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 2: our newest installment on Wonders of the Ancient World. We 479 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 2: will be back next week. We've got a classic this 480 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 2: weekend that we're quite excited about and we can't wait 481 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 2: to hang out with you in the future. Big big 482 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:06,120 Speaker 2: thanks to super producer and research associate Max Williams. Big 483 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:10,080 Speaker 2: thanks to Alex Williams, who composed his this banging track 484 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:14,960 Speaker 2: You're hearing and negative thanks to Jonathan Strickland aka the Quister. 485 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:16,840 Speaker 4: You know, I ran into Jonathan at the office the 486 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,160 Speaker 4: other day, Yeah, for the first time in ages, and 487 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,400 Speaker 4: I just reminded him that we cursed his name at 488 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 4: the end of every episode, followed usually by a task 489 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:26,720 Speaker 4: sets out. But also, we really like that guy. 490 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, we do really like man. He will return in 491 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 2: the future because every good he wrote needs a nemesis. 492 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,720 Speaker 2: Big thanks also to doctor Rachel Big Spinach, Lance aj 493 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:46,640 Speaker 2: Bahama's Jacob's nickname. We won't explain who else, who else? 494 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:47,120 Speaker 2: Who else? 495 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 4: Oh well, doctor Venkman, Maddie, I'm adding him to the Thank. 496 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 5: You, Ben, Thank you, big thanks to Apollo though thanks yeah, 497 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:56,680 Speaker 5: well that's appropriate for today. 498 00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 4: We'll see you next time, folks. 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