1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:04,360 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Bloomberg Sound on podcast. Catch us 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 1: live weekdays at one. 3 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 2: Eastern on Bloomberg dot com, the iHeartRadio app and the 4 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:11,960 Speaker 2: Bloomberg Business app, or listening on demand wherever you get 5 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:12,800 Speaker 2: your podcasts. 6 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 3: We have found Kaylee lines coming off the weekend here 7 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:20,480 Speaker 3: adding one voice at a time here on the fastest 8 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 3: show in politics. Good to see you, Kaylee. It's going 9 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 3: to be actually a pretty busy week here. You've got hearings, 10 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 3: you're going to the houses back today. The Senate will 11 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 3: be back in a couple of days with a little 12 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 3: bit of a mad dash to the August recess. And 13 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 3: of course we've got a president who's well, he's acting 14 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 3: presidential and a very important trip abroad. 15 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, a three leg trip abroad of course, started in 16 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 4: the UK where he met with his Majesty King Charles 17 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:44,199 Speaker 4: as well as the UK Prime Minister Ishisunak, and then 18 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:46,880 Speaker 4: it is over to Lithuania for the NATO summit, where 19 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 4: there are very several pressing questions that President Biden and 20 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 4: the allies of NATO are going to have to deal with, 21 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 4: not least of all the potential membership of Ukraine. And 22 00:00:57,520 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 4: then of course Sweden who also would like to be 23 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 4: a member, but has thrown a little wrench in that. 24 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 4: And then that's not all. He goes to Helsinki after that. 25 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:06,679 Speaker 4: So busy day at the executive level, but as you say, 26 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 4: the legislative level as well, there's what twelve days that 27 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 4: everybody's in session before August recess. 28 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 3: True, a lot, we'll get them. Yeah, we look forward 29 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 3: to the appropriations debate in the fall. He just arrived 30 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 3: by the way in Lithua for the two day summit. 31 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:24,760 Speaker 3: To your point, he met with the Prime Minister and 32 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 3: King Charles on the way, although that was described as 33 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:30,319 Speaker 3: kind of a makeup not probably going to do a 34 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 3: lot to impact the summit. Here, Mick maulvaney is with 35 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:35,960 Speaker 3: us in studio. I'm glad to say as the NATO 36 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 3: summit gets started and lawmaker's return to town, it's nice 37 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 3: to see you in the nation's capital. It's nice to 38 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:43,839 Speaker 3: be in the nation's cap I'm sure you're talking. 39 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 5: I don't have to live here, I can come in. 40 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 5: Isn't that true? 41 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 3: You parachute in and tell people how they can make 42 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 3: their lives better on Capitol Hill. 43 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 5: We used to call that seagull management. In my business days. 44 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 5: Do you know you know what that means? No? What 45 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 5: is that seagull? You fly in, you crap all over everything, 46 00:01:57,440 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 5: then you leave. Yeah, that's a seagull. 47 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 3: So that's how you're treating Kevin McCarthy's house or no, no, no, no, 48 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 3: it's just one of my favorite sayings in the city. Well, look, 49 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 3: they but they want time with you because they want 50 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 3: to figure out how to navigate the next couple of months. 51 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 3: Here right, we're going to talk about geopolitics, but I 52 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 3: am deeply curious about a House Republican conference that could 53 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 3: be headed for a government shutdown in the next couple 54 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 3: of months. 55 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 5: Sure, I think the chances of a government shutdown are 56 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 5: probably close to one hundred percent. They almost have to be, 57 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:30,640 Speaker 5: because you know, Kevin sort of has to show, you know, 58 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 5: the right wing of the party that he still you know, 59 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:35,359 Speaker 5: is in there fighting. They some of them have accused 60 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 5: him of giving up on the dead ceiling. I think 61 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:40,080 Speaker 5: that's woefully misled. But I mean, again, no one listens 62 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 5: to me much, so you're gonna have to fight. Plus, 63 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 5: a shutdown is not that big a deal. Now, that's 64 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 5: a bigger deal when the Democrats are in office because 65 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 5: they can make it hurt a lot more. The last 66 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 5: time we had a government shutdown, I ran it. The 67 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 5: Office of Management budget actually runs the shutdown, and a 68 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 5: shutdown only stops about fifteen percent of the government. And 69 00:02:57,560 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 5: if you want to, you know, do things like keep 70 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 5: the parks open, you can do that at the Office 71 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 5: Management Budget at least for a while. But if you 72 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:06,359 Speaker 5: want to. So, if you want to lower the temperature, 73 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:08,079 Speaker 5: you can. If you want to raise it, you can. 74 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 5: And my guess is that the Bide administration is going 75 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 5: to want to raise the temperature just a little bit 76 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 5: on a government shutdown. 77 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 4: Okay, but when we talk about temperatures being high, certainly 78 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 4: the temperature and the heat on Speaker McCarthy himself to 79 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 4: keep everyone in line has pretty much remained high throughout 80 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 4: his entire relatively short tenure at this point. So if 81 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:28,359 Speaker 4: we talk about, okay, they're going to shut down the government, 82 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 4: it becomes a question of how hard his job may 83 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 4: be in ultimately getting appropriations bills passed to end the 84 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 4: government shutdown eventually. 85 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 5: Right, But keep in mind there's a new wrinkle here 86 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 5: because of the debt ceiling deal, which I think is 87 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 5: fascinating which is automatic. The automatic cuts, so which makes 88 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 5: me think, all right, it makes it, you know, maybe 89 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 5: less likely that there's a shutdown now and more likely 90 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 5: that there's an omnibus at the end of December. Anyway, 91 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 5: the point being is that everything is different now because 92 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 5: of that long and the short of this is, if 93 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 5: they don't pass spending bills, it's unclear in my mind 94 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 5: as to whether or not that has to be twelve 95 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 5: separate or if an omnibus or a minibus counts because 96 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 5: those are all appropriations bills. If they have to pass 97 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 5: a CR a continuing resolution, there's an automatic across the 98 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 5: board one percent cut, which doesn't sound like much, but 99 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:19,719 Speaker 5: keep in mind we used to have bills on the 100 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 5: amendments on the floor every single year to cut spending 101 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 5: by one percent, and they failed every single time. 102 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:27,040 Speaker 3: So that is a motivator. We've had lawmakers on Kiley 103 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 3: who say, eh, but you know what, big deal if 104 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 3: they ate a one percent, at least we don't have 105 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 3: too much. But that's that's going to light a fire now. 106 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 5: Marshall Blackburn has now a senator from Tennessee. Used to 107 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:37,600 Speaker 5: that was her thing. That was what she was famous for. 108 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:40,279 Speaker 5: Every single year, on every single appropriation bill, one percent 109 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 5: across the board, and every single Democrat would vote against it, 110 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:47,279 Speaker 5: and a majority of Republicans would vote against it as well. 111 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 5: It goes back to my conversation about you can't blame 112 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:52,159 Speaker 5: just one party for spending when. 113 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:53,839 Speaker 4: We talk about the things that the Republicans will vote 114 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:57,360 Speaker 4: for and frankly, how they will how together they will vote. 115 00:04:57,480 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 4: I know you have feelings about the current House Freedom Call, 116 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:04,160 Speaker 4: which may have looked very different when you first started it, 117 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:06,480 Speaker 4: and people getting kicked out of it. 118 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 5: Apparently apparently, maybe what is your take on the Marjorie 119 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 5: as we can't tell, so I can't tell. One of 120 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:16,040 Speaker 5: the things I'm going to have conversations I'm going to 121 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 5: have this week was that I've actually been texting with 122 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 5: some members of the HFC to find out exactly what happened, 123 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:26,040 Speaker 5: because it sounds like they didn't follow the rules, or 124 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:28,160 Speaker 5: at least the rules that they used to exist, And 125 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 5: the rules that used to exist I'm a little familiar 126 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 5: with because I wrote them, and the rule was that 127 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 5: if you wanted to kick out a member, you had 128 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 5: to have a specially noted, notified meeting for that purpose. 129 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 5: Here ye hear you, hear Liam, Thursday five point thirty, 130 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 5: we will meet for the purpose of expelling Marjorie Taylor Green. 131 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 5: That at that meeting, you had to have eighty percent 132 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 5: vote of the caucus. Okay, not eighty percent of the 133 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 5: folks that show up, but eighty percent of the votes 134 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 5: of the caucus. There is no chance in my mind 135 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:01,279 Speaker 5: that they actually had the disciplined to notify the meeting 136 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 5: or that they would get that type of vote. Keep 137 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:05,720 Speaker 5: in mind, if you get thrown out of the caucus 138 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:08,359 Speaker 5: for just being, you know, on Kevin McCarthy's side on 139 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 5: a couple of issues right now, Like you know, it's 140 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:13,600 Speaker 5: one of the things that they charged Marjorie Taylor Green with. 141 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 5: Then Jim Jordan's next, because Jim Jordan has been as 142 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 5: a staunch defender of Ken McCarthy as anybody. So it'd 143 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 5: be curious to see what actually happened and then what 144 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 5: does happen next. 145 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 1: So if we see Jim. 146 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 3: Jordan arguing with Lauren Bobert on the House floor, we 147 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 3: know we should call Nick to find out what happened. 148 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 5: Well, I do know that Jim wouldn't use the same language. 149 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 3: Well, we talked to Representative Andy Harris about this, and 150 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 3: it was a fascinating conversation that that kind of led 151 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 3: to nothing. 152 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 6: And I believe that the vote was taken by the 153 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 6: entire that there was a vote taken by the entire group, 154 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:47,559 Speaker 6: but again, we passed it on to the entire group. 155 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:52,279 Speaker 6: And and I'm pretty sure the vote was taken as 156 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 6: far as I know. That's that's the way it is. 157 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 3: And then he went on to confuse things even more. 158 00:06:57,440 --> 00:06:59,160 Speaker 3: I could keep playing this tape, But why is it 159 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:01,160 Speaker 3: so hard for ever and to say what happened? 160 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 5: Because I'm not sure they know what happened. And keep 161 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 5: in mind, I mean, face it. And again, I'm not 162 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 5: here to defend Marjorie Taillergreen. I'm here to attack Marginal. 163 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 5: But she does love the attention. There's no question about her, 164 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 5: and so you never. 165 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 3: They're running around trying to find her. We understand this 166 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 3: needs to be notified in person. 167 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 5: And we never talked and I say we now the 168 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 5: Freedom Caucus never talked about who was in the membership anyway. 169 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 5: So really, if you say, look, we're having a vote 170 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 5: to kick somebody out, the sort of admitting that that 171 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 5: person was in whatich You're not supposed to do in 172 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:30,559 Speaker 5: the first place. 173 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 4: So it gets oh, it's all, it's just but people 174 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 4: self identify as members of the Freedom. 175 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 5: But there's no way to prove that false or true. 176 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 3: Okay, is Chip Roy the next chair Kayley? 177 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 4: That seems like it's more of a question for me. 178 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:46,679 Speaker 5: That would make sense, it would, I mean, and Chip's 179 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 5: a very talented guy, so that wouldn't bother me at all. 180 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 5: I was a big fan of having a president or 181 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 5: chairman for a much longer period of time. I thought 182 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 5: Jim George did a great job of keeping the disparate groups. 183 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 5: Keep in mind that you know, it's not a monolithic group, 184 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 5: but Jim did a great job of keeping everybody together. 185 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 5: I think Meadows Meadows find out something interesting, which is 186 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 5: that you could you could instead of doing what I 187 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 5: wanted us to do, which is figure got a way 188 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 5: to participate in the debate as a group and sort of, 189 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 5: you know, try and move the needle to the right 190 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 5: a little bit. Meadows found out you could get famous 191 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 5: and then also make a lot of money. My understanding 192 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 5: is that Mark's group has just bought like five or 193 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 5: six buildings on Independence Avenue in Washington, d C. Oh yeah, now, 194 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 5: this is a great way to get famous. And you know, 195 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 5: there's a lot of people in the in the in 196 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 5: the Freedom Caucus now that you would never have heard 197 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 5: of but for the Freedom Caucus. So I don't know 198 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 5: if it's if it has anything to do with what 199 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 5: we started just five or six years ago, but it 200 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 5: is what it is. Washington is a dynamic place, and 201 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 5: we'll just see what they come up with next. 202 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 4: All right, It is indeed, and that's kind of what's 203 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:51,679 Speaker 4: going on in Capitol Hill. But when we think broadly 204 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 4: about the political electoral landscape in twenty twenty four, you 205 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 4: have a new piece out in the Hill today which 206 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 4: is titled the evidence mounts that Democrats are souring on Biden. 207 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:03,680 Speaker 4: What evidence of that are you seeing? 208 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 5: There was a piece in The Atlantic, which ordinarily, look, 209 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:10,199 Speaker 5: if you turn on the internet, if you go to 210 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 5: the internet, if you go to the Internet, and there's 211 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 5: an article saying Joe Biden is too old to run, 212 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 5: he's got dementia, he's terrible, and it's in Breitbart. It 213 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 5: doesn't really so who cares. That's what you expect from Breitbart, 214 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 5: sort of like going to watch Vanity Fair and see 215 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 5: something awful about Donald Trump. That's what they do, right 216 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 5: Rolling Stone, just that you know what you get when 217 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 5: you go to these outlets if you want to be 218 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 5: entertained on the left or the right. Those entertainment outlets exist. 219 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 5: But when The Atlantic, which is a strong left leaning organization, 220 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 5: allows a piece to be run by and that's written 221 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 5: by a former Bush appointee saying it's time to think 222 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 5: about replacing Joe Biden, is that's a watershed. To me, 223 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:51,679 Speaker 5: that's sort of an earthquake in that What that means 224 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 5: is that the conversations that we all know are taking 225 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:57,320 Speaker 5: place privately that you in Washington, d C. Around Washington, 226 00:09:57,400 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 5: d C, in the grassroots back home is now filled 227 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 5: altering up. When The Atlantic runs a piece that says 228 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 5: maybe it's time to think about replacing Joe Biden, it's 229 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:08,559 Speaker 5: sort of like breit Bart allowing Joe Scarborough to go on, 230 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 5: you know, to give him a thousand words and say 231 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 5: that Donald Trump should think about dropping out of the race. 232 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 5: If breit Bart were to allow Scarborough to run that 233 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 5: in there on their format, in their outlet, that would 234 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 5: be a giant red flag to the right. And I 235 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 5: think the piece that The Atlantic ran over the weekend 236 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 5: about Joe Biden is the same for the left. 237 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 3: This brings me or once makes me want to go 238 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 3: to the labels conversation. But I want to just ask you, 239 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 3: based on the way you answered that, if the same 240 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:35,320 Speaker 3: thing is happening in a way to Ron DeSantis, because 241 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 3: every time he goes on Fox Now he's got to 242 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 3: answer for what are not Donald Trump's approval ratings. Listen 243 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 3: to this back and forth with Maria Bartiromo from over 244 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 3: the weekend. 245 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:45,320 Speaker 5: What happened? 246 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 7: Oh, Maria, these are narratives. The media does not want 247 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 7: me to be the nominee. I think that's very very clear. 248 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:58,200 Speaker 7: Why because they know I'll beat Biden, but even more importantly, 249 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 7: they know I will actually deliver on all these things. 250 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 3: What does it mean when the candidate starts to blame 251 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:03,559 Speaker 3: the media. 252 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:06,680 Speaker 5: Oh, no, he's actually right about out that. Then that's fine. 253 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 8: But the fact that if you go allow that interview 254 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:12,440 Speaker 8: to go on a little bit longer, he's having to 255 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 8: explain to the right why his candidacy is not doing 256 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 8: as well as some. 257 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:19,439 Speaker 5: Thought that it would, as others thought that it had hoped. 258 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 5: He just had a pretty decent fundraise in twenty Yeah, 259 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 5: It's a great number, there's no question, but it's not 260 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 5: translating yet in terms of polling data. And I'm keep 261 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 5: in mind it's polling data oftentimes or more often than not, nationwide, 262 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:32,719 Speaker 5: which you can take and throw in a trash can. 263 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 5: What you were looking at now is iow in New Hampshire, 264 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 5: South Carolina. So but yeah, he's having to ask tough questions. 265 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 5: I think it's because you're hearing the same sort of 266 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:44,959 Speaker 5: rumble within the right of whow we thought the Santas 267 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 5: would be further along than he is right now? Is 268 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 5: he really the guy? And the answer could still be yes, 269 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 5: But that discussion is taking place and is the only. 270 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 4: Real beneficiary of that Donald Trump or does that leave 271 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:58,439 Speaker 4: room for one of these other candidates that if we're 272 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 4: talking about polling still link wishing in single digits to 273 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 4: kind of gain some traction both. 274 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 5: I don't think people right now are deciding between Ron 275 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:08,439 Speaker 5: de Santis and Donald Trump. They're designed between Ron De 276 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 5: Santis and Tim Scott and Nikki Haley and Vivek Ramaswami, 277 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 5: although the last part is not real. So what I 278 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:18,320 Speaker 5: look at from some of the outside, who doesn't have 279 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 5: a dog in the fight. I'm not endorsing anybody. I'm 280 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:22,560 Speaker 5: simply looking at it as an observer. What do I 281 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 5: look at Donald lines? Donald Trump's top line numbers, and 282 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 5: they are still slightly trending up. And that's the one 283 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 5: thing to sort of pay attention to. The criminal charges 284 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 5: have not hurt him. In fact, they've not hurt his 285 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 5: his his money raising. His number was with thirty five 286 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:40,959 Speaker 5: million dollars in the second quarter. I haven't seen yet 287 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 5: importantly what the net number of that is, but if 288 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 5: the if the campaign sort of the leak is accurate, 289 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 5: he raised thirty five million dollars with an average donation 290 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:54,440 Speaker 5: of thirty four dollars. That's unheard of in our business. 291 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 5: We hear all these stories about big money leaving Donald Trump. 292 00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:59,200 Speaker 5: It looks like it's true. But he's growing his base 293 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 5: with a with grassroots donors. So that's that's It doesn't 294 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 5: answer your question, But it's not like it's Ron Desantans 295 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 5: versus Donald Trump right now. Sort of it's as it 296 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:11,440 Speaker 5: was always going to be Donald Trump against Donald Trump, 297 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:14,200 Speaker 5: and it sounds like Donald Trump is winning in that 298 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 5: battle right now as supposed to losing thirty four. 299 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 3: Dollars and twenty cents. I believe Kayleie talked about that 300 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 3: last week, which is why a lot of folks are 301 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 3: wondering who's going to be on the debate stage in August. 302 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:24,679 Speaker 3: It might not be a lot of people, especially if 303 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:27,319 Speaker 3: Donald Trump doesn't attend. Did you ever see him order 304 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:27,840 Speaker 3: a blizzard? 305 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 5: No, listen, but I you know I had. 306 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:32,680 Speaker 3: When I know what a blizzard is, I laughed and 307 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:33,080 Speaker 3: I saw that. 308 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:35,080 Speaker 5: Now I don't know that he does. Okay, I really don't, 309 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:38,319 Speaker 5: but I can tell you that. Listen, we all you 310 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 5: know your presidentity states. There's certain certain parks to being 311 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:43,959 Speaker 5: in office. And I remember doing a rally in Grand Rapids, Michigan, 312 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 5: and we did. It was a pretty rally. We had 313 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 5: a good time, We had a good day. Something else 314 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:49,320 Speaker 5: had happened that day. I can't remember what it was, 315 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 5: but the team was in a good mood. So I 316 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 5: decided to send somebody out for one hundred McDonald's hamburgers 317 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 5: that we had in the flight on the way home. 318 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 4: What about McClary's. 319 00:13:57,000 --> 00:14:00,599 Speaker 5: So no, it was not an even Listen. When I 320 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 5: say he wasn't a dessert guy, that's not accurate, because 321 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:04,959 Speaker 5: the man loves his dessert. But I never heard him say, 322 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 5: Mick mcmck, where's where's the ice cream? Right? That was 323 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:08,559 Speaker 5: never that one. 324 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 3: It was the reception when a hundred Hamburgers came on board. 325 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 3: I mean, this is a standing ovation, right, Yeah, that's right. 326 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 5: You give a plane full of of of hungry politicos 327 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 5: who've had a really good day both politically and policy wise. 328 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 5: I think we'd passed a piece of legislature or something 329 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 5: like that. It was a a celebratory environment. 330 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 3: I'll never forget that night. I don't know what team 331 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 3: it was, but the the Burger King, the McDonald's, the Chick. 332 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 5: Fil A, I mean, the Clemson Tigers. 333 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 3: You remember that. 334 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 5: I was there. 335 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 4: This is making me really crave like French fries. 336 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 5: Yes, we cleaned out every single fast food place. 337 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 3: I love that whole story. Next time, Mack, great to 338 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 3: see if the person in studio with us Mick mulvaney. 339 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 3: I'm Joe Matthew with Katie Lines. This is Bloomberg. 340 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Bloomberg Sound On podcast. Catch the 341 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 1: program live weekdays at one eastern on Bloomberg Radio and 342 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: Alfoomberg dot Com and the Bloomberg Business app. You can 343 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 1: also listen live on Amazon Alexa from our flagship New 344 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 1: York station, Just Say Alexa play Bloomberg eleven thirty. 345 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 3: Coming off another weekend on the campaign trail that saw 346 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 3: Donald Trump making his big campaign debut in Nevada, speaking 347 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 3: in Vegas about waterfront property and Ron Desanta's taken some 348 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 3: heat on Fox It's finally coming around here. This is 349 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 3: the second time now in two days. He was on 350 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 3: Fox Business with Varney being asked about what's up with 351 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 3: the poll numbers? On Sunday it was Maria Bartiromo. What happens? 352 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 3: She asked? 353 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 4: Failure to launch Florida Governor Ron. 354 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 9: De Santis campaign to topple Donald Trump has stalled. 355 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 4: We are way behind, says a top DeSantis pack official, 356 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 4: sounding the alarm. 357 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 7: What happened, Oh, Maria? These are narratives. The media does 358 00:15:57,160 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 7: not want me to be the nominee. I think that's very, 359 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 7: very c because they know all beat Biden. But even 360 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 7: more importantly, they know I will actually deliver on all 361 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 7: these things? 362 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 1: Did it? 363 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 3: Ronda Santis on Fox Business with the chuckle there as 364 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 3: we reassemble our panel, Rick Davis and Jeanie Shanze No 365 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 3: Bloomberg Politics Contributors new polling data out. This is from 366 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 3: Florida Atlantic University, Rick and Genie. This may not be 367 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 3: one that you follow very closely, as I read always 368 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 3: the methodology here. This is about nine hundred and some 369 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 3: quote unquote adults, not even registered voters, certainly not likely 370 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 3: primary voters. And they say that the survey is intended 371 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 3: to represent the voting population in Florida. Okay, Donald Trump fifty, 372 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 3: DeSantis thirty falls off a cliff there. The next name 373 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 3: is the thatk Rama Swami with four and then it 374 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 3: gets you know, you're down to one with by the 375 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 3: time you get to Nikki Haley. This may not be 376 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 3: a poll that tells us a lot here, Rick, but 377 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 3: when you're in your home state of Florida, should this 378 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:06,160 Speaker 3: not look better for Rhonda Santis? 379 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:07,400 Speaker 10: Well? 380 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 11: As you point out, and I appreciate your diligence with 381 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:14,160 Speaker 11: pointing out the filter that was used for this poll, 382 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 11: which doesn't even it's not even limited a Republican primary vote, 383 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 11: right right, So Democrats, Independence, vegetarians and the Green Party 384 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:23,920 Speaker 11: are all in there, and so yeah, I mean, I 385 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:28,440 Speaker 11: don't think you want to get too far ahead. Look, obviously, 386 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:32,919 Speaker 11: all the attention on Ronda Santis and the fact that 387 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:37,879 Speaker 11: he hasn't really broken out from his earlier launch of 388 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:41,399 Speaker 11: the campaign and picked up any polling actually betrays the 389 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:42,920 Speaker 11: fact that he's actually gone backwards. 390 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 10: And this could be used as a metaphor for that. 391 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 11: But the problem is he's got to show progress not 392 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:51,160 Speaker 11: just with the ability to raise money, but the actual 393 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 11: ability to get voters who want to support him to 394 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 11: show up in some of these surveys, especially these state surveys. 395 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 10: So yeah, he's apped in a bit of a conundrum, and. 396 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:06,159 Speaker 11: You can only attribute that to his campaign style and 397 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:08,200 Speaker 11: the lack of strategy by his campaign. 398 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 3: Interesting to hear the tough questions start emerging on Fox 399 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:13,439 Speaker 3: here Genie the laugh by the way, the chuckle to 400 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 3: what happened her? How's he doing in these interviews? You 401 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 3: have to be able to turn tough questions into a benefit. 402 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:24,199 Speaker 3: Is he capable of that? 403 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 9: We haven't seen it yet. A bit of a nervous 404 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 9: laugh from DeSantis, and rightly so. That poll you're talking about, 405 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 9: let's not forget, was conducted before he issued this bizarre, 406 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 9: perplexing I don't know what word to call it ad, 407 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 9: This LGBTQ AD and this one. If people haven't seen it, 408 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:47,879 Speaker 9: it is worth watching. And I don't try to, you know, 409 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 9: Hawk his stuff normally, but he's attacking Donald Trump for 410 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 9: defending gay rights. But then he has this super weird 411 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:59,640 Speaker 9: sort of montage of people flexing their muscles. Yeah, Brad Pitt, 412 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 9: and you know, Pete booda judge was right when he said, 413 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 9: it's strange to try to prove your manhood by putting 414 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 9: together a video with splaces of images of you between 415 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:10,160 Speaker 9: oiled up bodybuilders. I mean, the whole thing was so weird, 416 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:13,640 Speaker 9: and we wonder why his poll numbers are going down 417 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:17,160 Speaker 9: and why he's nervous when Maria Barcelona asks him what 418 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 9: the heck is going on? Even his own superpack operative 419 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 9: Steve Cortes said, and I think she quoted this in 420 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:25,399 Speaker 9: the interview. We are way behind. We need to do better. 421 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:27,400 Speaker 9: So he does need to do better. And if we're 422 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 9: looking at an August twenty third debate, there's time is 423 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:33,119 Speaker 9: you know, a little bit short at this point, so 424 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:34,879 Speaker 9: he's gonna have to pick it up, and he hasn't 425 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 9: shown the capacity to do that since he launched. 426 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 3: At the same time, though, Rick, somebody asked me over 427 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 3: the Weekendao, when's he gonna drop out? When's Ronissyon? He 428 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 3: raised twenty million dollars in the last quarter, You've got 429 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:49,439 Speaker 3: people in single digits. Why is Ronda Santis always in 430 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:50,160 Speaker 3: the cross heres? 431 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 11: Well, because I think there was so much expectation built 432 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:58,200 Speaker 11: up from his overwhelming win for reelection and then subsequently, 433 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:02,919 Speaker 11: you know, teasing out the Potenti campaign and talking about 434 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:08,359 Speaker 11: really just overwhelming the field. It was kind of an 435 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 11: expectation they themselves created. And you always have this temptation 436 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:15,399 Speaker 11: before you actually launch your campaign of saying, oh, I 437 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 11: want to get out there with all this win at 438 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:20,200 Speaker 11: my back, but you got to keep up with the wind. Right, 439 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 11: you have to meet the expectations, and he can only 440 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:27,120 Speaker 11: lay it on himself, although I would say Donald Trump 441 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 11: has done a very good job of keeping him pinned down. 442 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 11: I mean, you know, if there's a political credit you 443 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:37,200 Speaker 11: have to give to Donald Trump, it's his campaign recognize 444 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:41,359 Speaker 11: the threat of DeSantis early, long before DeSantis became a candidate. 445 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 11: They started pounding away at him with Republican audiences and 446 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:48,679 Speaker 11: defined him in a way that he's not only just 447 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:51,399 Speaker 11: have to go out and introduce himself, but overcome the 448 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 11: damage that's been done by almost fifteen million dollars worth 449 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:58,120 Speaker 11: of advertising before he even launched his campaign. 450 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:02,360 Speaker 3: Well, i'll tell you it's it's going to be interesting 451 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 3: to watch that debate stage. As Rick just pointed out here, Genie, 452 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 3: I don't get how they can have a debate in August, 453 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:13,440 Speaker 3: considering the criteria and the fact that it looks like 454 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 3: Ronda Santis and Donald Trump aren't showing up. 455 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:17,639 Speaker 9: Yeah, I don't know who is going to be on 456 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 9: that stage at this point. Who can make it. The 457 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:23,359 Speaker 9: two people who we you know pretty certain have already 458 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 9: made it or can make it are Disanta's and Trump, 459 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:28,160 Speaker 9: and they're not really inclined to go. So who knows 460 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:30,359 Speaker 9: who's going to be on that debate stage at this point. 461 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 9: It's a bizarre thing. I don't know if the Republican 462 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 9: Party ends up changing the requirements to get onto the 463 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 9: debate stage. If I was Trump, I wouldn't go. I 464 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:40,920 Speaker 9: don't think i'd go if I was Dysantis at this point, 465 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:42,920 Speaker 9: although you know, gosh, I hope they do go because 466 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 9: it would be fun. But you know, the Republican Party 467 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:48,160 Speaker 9: has a real problem on its hands because this race 468 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:50,880 Speaker 9: has not moved that much. I mean, Trump has had 469 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 9: a commanding lead the entire time. Even though DeSantis raised 470 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:58,879 Speaker 9: a lot of money a huge amount. Trump raised more, arguably, 471 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:02,199 Speaker 9: and they're just sort of sitting back. He's talking about 472 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 9: LGBTQ rights. Take on Trump. He's way ahead of you. 473 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:09,399 Speaker 9: The entire field is like waiting for GOODO. Who's gonna 474 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 9: come and save us from Trump? And nobody's coming and 475 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 9: Trump is one market. 476 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:16,159 Speaker 3: Cancel the debate. I've got thirty seconds, Rick, why not 477 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 3: cancel the debate? Who would you want to remember right now? 478 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:23,879 Speaker 11: DeSantis, Haley Scott, and Ramaswami's they're qualified for the debate 479 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,640 Speaker 11: based on the criteria, so they'll have a debate with them. 480 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 11: And if Trump doesn't show up, then you know you're 481 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 11: missing Trump. But I wouldn't be surprised if Trump doesn't 482 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:34,159 Speaker 11: change his mind at the last minute. I mean, he's 483 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 11: he's the he's the magician. 484 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 3: You've predicted these things before. Rick Davis and Genie Shanzano, Uh, 485 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 3: we're gonna go get a blizzard together next. Enough tweets 486 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 3: about blizzards over the weekend. Donald Trump surely knows what 487 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 3: one is. 488 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 1: Now. 489 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:51,639 Speaker 3: I'm Joe Matthew in Washington. This is Bloomberg. 490 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Bloomberg Sound on podcast. Catch us 491 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 1: live weekdays at one Eastern. 492 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:02,359 Speaker 2: On Bloomberg dot Com, the iHeart Radios app, or listening 493 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 2: on demand wherever you get your podcast. 494 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 3: Anyone want a blizzard? 495 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:08,120 Speaker 1: Wants a blizzard? 496 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:08,880 Speaker 5: Blizzard? 497 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:16,639 Speaker 3: What the hell? Fire up the blender. It's time to 498 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 3: get a blizzard at dairy Queen where Donald Trump stopped 499 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 3: in over the weekend at Dairy Queen in Iowa only 500 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 3: to proclaim, where I guess, ask loudly, what the hell 501 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 3: is a blizzard? It went viral on Twitter, only to 502 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:32,680 Speaker 3: be answered by a video of Joe Biden during the campaign. 503 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 5: This wasn't from the weekend when. 504 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 3: He was buying blizzards for the folks at a dairy queen. 505 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 3: Want a blizzard? 506 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 2: Whoever? 507 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess it was an oreo blizzard. You see 508 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:49,119 Speaker 3: even holds it upside down to show it doesn't spill. 509 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 3: And there are questions about campaign style here in what 510 00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 3: really matters on the trail. Final thoughts from Rick Davis 511 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,880 Speaker 3: and Genie Shanzano. Rick, You've been in this world before 512 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 3: where you've got a candidatecye at the Iowa State Fair, 513 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,119 Speaker 3: and they have to eat a certain fried food to 514 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 3: make everybody happy. Do you show up at Dairy Queen 515 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 3: and say, what the hell's a blizzard? To relate with people? 516 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:13,920 Speaker 11: Well, I'm sure it was tongue in cheek because here's 517 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 11: a guy who dines out on happy meals most of 518 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:16,680 Speaker 11: the time. 519 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:17,720 Speaker 5: So I think he. 520 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:19,920 Speaker 11: Knew what a blizzard was, had a few himself, and 521 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 11: you used to it as a device just to look 522 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 11: like he was trying to connect with the locals. 523 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:27,960 Speaker 3: Right, I guess that's fair. Of course, Joe Biden is 524 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,439 Speaker 3: an ice cream expert, Genie, he must know a lot 525 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 3: about a blizzard. 526 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:32,120 Speaker 4: He does. 527 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 9: To your point, they're gravity defying. He turns it upside down, 528 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,719 Speaker 9: the thing doesn't fall. It's a great video. And to 529 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 9: Rick's point, it was in East Palestine when Donald Trump 530 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:43,399 Speaker 9: said he knows the McDonald's menu better than the people 531 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:47,120 Speaker 9: serving it. Apparently not at Dairy Queen. But I do 532 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:50,199 Speaker 9: have to say it is quite relatable because I myself, 533 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,360 Speaker 9: I'm embarrassed to tell you, Joe Matthew, have never had 534 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 9: a blizzard in my life. Wow, And I'm not a 535 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 9: big ice cream person. I didn't know what they were 536 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 9: I'm embarrassed to say it. Loved Dairy Queen. My kids 537 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 9: loved it. I never tried it, so i'm for the 538 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 9: first time with Donald Trump. I didn't know. 539 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 3: I think you might be closer to the working man 540 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 3: than Genie on this one. 541 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:09,120 Speaker 10: Rick Davis, Yeah, I'm a dairy Queen fan. 542 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 11: I mean, I'm even ones who eat the hot dogs 543 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,680 Speaker 11: and hamburgers a dairy queen and nothing can chase those 544 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 11: down like a good blizzard. 545 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 3: I just knew it. Something told me if he's a 546 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:21,200 Speaker 3: crispy guy, he's probably a dairy queen. Is a DQ 547 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:27,359 Speaker 3: guy Stamina basinba, Rick and Jeanie our signature panel. 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