Speaker 1: Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heeart Radio podcast.
Speaker 2: All Right, girls, I feel so alone right now. Everyone's
Speaker 2: on their phone and I'm just staring at both of you.
Speaker 2: I have to make sure my facts correct. They're doing
Speaker 2: that because today is a pop culture topic day, and
Speaker 2: well we were just discussing and I'll say something to
Speaker 2: this year. I don't know if you guys have noticed,
Speaker 2: I haven't been on Instagram that much. I noticed. No
Speaker 2: one's noticed.
Speaker 3: I've noticed.
Speaker 2: I've noticed, well I'm not on, but I realized it
Speaker 2: just wasn't like I'm gonna obviously, but I just at
Speaker 2: the moment, it's just I just I'm so like in
Speaker 2: a bubble, in my sweet little bubble, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: I don't really feel like I need to show anything.
Speaker 2: And then also I just kind of like being not
Speaker 2: on there.
Speaker 3: That's great.
Speaker 2: And I don't scroll now too, so so I when
Speaker 2: I got the pop culture I was like, ooh, what's
Speaker 2: going on. That's exactly why I'm like, oh, and I
Speaker 2: get used to the island.
Speaker 1: I mean, I do get on Instagram, but I don't
Speaker 1: really I don't really like read like the peoples and
Speaker 1: the sweeklies and stuff.
Speaker 3: Like that. I used to, but I used.
Speaker 2: To too, and now I'm just like everyone's just so mean.
Speaker 2: I'm in all this stuff and I'm like, I'm not
Speaker 2: really getting anything out. Why why am I? Why am
Speaker 2: I going there to look at that? You know?
Speaker 3: So this time it's like, why do I need to
Speaker 3: know that?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I don't need to know all this information about these
Speaker 1: people's lives, right, So I'm just yeah, and.
Speaker 2: I think too, I don't know, it's there's a switch
Speaker 2: for this this new year. New Year knew me. But
Speaker 2: I just am not feeding. I'm not even going to
Speaker 2: bring up like because it doesn't matter, the hate the trolls.
Speaker 2: It's like I realized, I'm like, oh my god, nothing
Speaker 2: like it actually doesn't matter. It doesn't like I've let
Speaker 2: that affect me for so long for what reason. It
Speaker 2: was such like a shift in may to go and
Speaker 2: that was one of my resolutions to or goals to
Speaker 2: just like not even like let it bother me. And
Speaker 2: then I really just kind of saw with it. I'm like,
Speaker 2: I'm like, I just such a disservice to myself to
Speaker 2: even care well you, especially because they just really come
Speaker 2: and go hard on that. I'm like, not even gonna
Speaker 2: say like anything, like, I had this feeling and this
Speaker 2: may not be what you guys feel about it, but
Speaker 2: there's something to it. I had this moment at one
Speaker 2: point when I remember I was going to go post
Speaker 2: something and I was like, this feels like it cheapens
Speaker 2: the experience. It actually was, and I just was like,
Speaker 2: for who would I post that? For me? Or for
Speaker 2: someone I like to keep mine pretty inspirational or pretty
Speaker 2: like real, or like join me in like the you know. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but I just was like that shows somebody something like
Speaker 2: what what is my reason? What's the why for doing that?
Speaker 2: And one I couldn't quite answer that either honestly or
Speaker 2: find a why or just didn't feel like it mattered.
Speaker 2: Then I was like, well that's kind of a waste
Speaker 2: of someone's grid. Yeah. So having said all, that is
Speaker 2: pop culture topics now and now I'm excited because it's
Speaker 2: juicy and I actually was like, ah, she did no way.
Speaker 2: So topic number one is Jessica Albert recalls incident with
Speaker 2: daughter Honor that led them to pursue therapy together. This
Speaker 2: is not fun, So I'm just going to kind of
Speaker 2: read you the background. Jessica Albo's opening upbout how she
Speaker 2: decided on therapy for herself and her two daughters. The
Speaker 2: mom of three forty two has always been open about
Speaker 2: her family's mental health care. Appearing on the cover of
Speaker 2: Real Simples first ever Feeling issue for their January February edition,
Speaker 2: the actress an entrepreneur, calls how she came to the decision.
Speaker 2: So Honor was, she says, Honor was probably eleven, and
Speaker 2: we were arguing all the time about dum dumb stuff,
Speaker 2: and I was like, I don't want to live like this.
Speaker 2: This is not fun, she shares, she said, I don't.
Speaker 2: I didn't want us to have a wedge between us
Speaker 2: as her mother. When I say something, she's going to
Speaker 2: hear it as an argument or as me trying to
Speaker 2: control her. I wanted there to be someone who could
Speaker 2: explain things in a way I couldn't. What I said
Speaker 2: to Honor was I want to be a better parent
Speaker 2: to you, and this is your this is your form
Speaker 2: to basically talk about everything that gets on your nerves
Speaker 2: that I do. Alba says it wasn't long until both
Speaker 2: she and Honor started to see how therapy could work
Speaker 2: for them. It put me in check, like, yeah, I
Speaker 2: totally do that, and I'm sorry, I'm going to work
Speaker 2: on that. It gave her a little bit of perspective too,
Speaker 2: that I'm not the bad guy. I'm just being a parent.
Speaker 2: She'll come out, she'll come out the other side of it,
Speaker 2: and I'll still be here. I just wanted to get
Speaker 2: to that point and it worked, she admits, And the
Speaker 2: therapists allowed me to see that it's natural for kids
Speaker 2: to disagree with their parents, and as a parent, it's
Speaker 2: not always about being right or rational in that moment,
Speaker 2: she says. She concludes with saying, I'm not going to front.
Speaker 2: It's a process and I'm not perfect, and so I
Speaker 2: love the fact that she's talking about this. So I'm
Speaker 2: curious for you guys, like, do you like the idea
Speaker 2: of seeing a therapist with your child? You know, do
Speaker 2: you wish you would have done it with your parents?
Speaker 2: And would you consider doing it now with your parents
Speaker 2: or with your kids? Well, that's a lot of you
Speaker 2: go first with her, your parents are no.
Speaker 1: Well, my first thought to this whole thing was I
Speaker 1: don't think that it has to be done in a
Speaker 1: therapist office to have these conversations. Those are a lot
Speaker 1: of conversations that happen in our home currently. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm not doing this right. I am just trying to
Speaker 1: be a good parent, but I'm you know, so I
Speaker 1: think if if you need it, and if I felt
Speaker 1: like we needed someone to come in and point out
Speaker 1: when I'm doing things that I need to or to
Speaker 1: point out to the kids that I am just being
Speaker 1: a parent or whatever, sure, I think if it got
Speaker 1: to that point, we would do that. But I also
Speaker 1: do think that there's ways to have those healthy conversations
Speaker 1: on your own with your kids, and I think that
Speaker 1: that's something that everyone should be doing, you know, explaining
Speaker 1: to the kids, we're not always going to get it right.
Speaker 1: We're just trying to parent, We're trying to protect you.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry when I do it this. Blah blah blah
Speaker 1: blah blah. Would I have gone to therapy with my parents, No,
Speaker 1: there's no way. There's literally zero way. And what I
Speaker 1: would would I now? Nope, absolutely not.
Speaker 2: Well it was funny when I read this, I thought
Speaker 2: about you first, because Janna and I are still in
Speaker 2: like the younger years, yeah, you know, like the eights fives,
Speaker 2: and I thought, gosh, I don't know what I would
Speaker 2: do at eleven. I mean, I'll be honest with you.
Speaker 2: I'm we I am in struggle bus mode with a
Speaker 2: five year old right now. We are in a mode
Speaker 2: and I was like, maybe, like I had this moment
Speaker 2: the other day where I thought, well, maybe there needs
Speaker 2: to be like a third party to tell me, like
Speaker 2: to do something differently or better, just you know whatever,
Speaker 2: because I gosh, I feel like I'm so well rounded
Speaker 2: and I try to go thirty thousand feet, but I'm
Speaker 2: stir ruggling and these five five is hard.
Speaker 3: I remember five being a hard age, Thank you.
Speaker 1: Cat's all different, I specifically, and I remember because I
Speaker 1: remember when Ramsey and Jolie were both five. I remember
Speaker 1: having this conversation. But again, as they get older, yes,
Speaker 1: it's different. So I can see where therapy really especially
Speaker 1: might be needed. But yeah, I mean I think that
Speaker 1: it's for whoever, you know, for each I know, like
Speaker 1: one of my kids, he would probably, you know, the oldest,
Speaker 1: he'd probably never want to go. Emmy, who's twelve, she might.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: But we just have a lot of conversations about that stuff.
Speaker 1: We're just very open about it, and I think that
Speaker 1: that's kind of key for us at least.
Speaker 2: Do you think you got that from going to therapy.
Speaker 1: No, I think I got that from vowing to do
Speaker 1: it differently than how I grew up. I've just sworn
Speaker 1: to myself, and it really truly just started with saying sorry.
Speaker 1: That was my number one. You know, I do something,
Speaker 1: I yell, or I do something I wasn't proud of,
Speaker 1: then I get upset about it and I have this
Speaker 1: guilt and I always just like just say sorry. I
Speaker 1: would make myself say sorry, but that always opened it
Speaker 1: up to a bigger discussion and a bigger explanation and
Speaker 1: a bigger whatever. And I definitely still I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: still yeller, Like I'll still get to a point where
Speaker 1: I will yell at my kids when I've lost it,
Speaker 1: and I'm not proud of that, and that's something I'm
Speaker 1: really trying to work on. But we just have so
Speaker 1: much conversation around it that again, it's really just.
Speaker 2: So that this is kind of off topic, but just
Speaker 2: from something you said, and I'm just gonna pivot just
Speaker 2: for one second, because something happened the other day where
Speaker 2: I had asked, you know, I was like, Jolie, please
Speaker 2: turn that off. Noice. Jolie please turn that off. By
Speaker 2: the third time, I'm like, I'm like, I don't want to.
Speaker 2: I've said it now. The third like every time my
Speaker 2: voice is gonna I was like, please turn that off.
Speaker 2: And then it's like a little bit more and then
Speaker 2: like by I'm like I then she looks at me like, oh,
Speaker 2: like I I'm like, but I just said it nicely
Speaker 2: the first and you don't listen. Yeah, this is like
Speaker 2: and I'm like, is that Normalcuse I try to be like,
Speaker 2: I'm like, just I'm the first one. I'm saying, like,
Speaker 2: I'm nicely saying I need you to listen. The second time,
Speaker 2: I'm like, it's a little more stern. Third time, Mommy's
Speaker 2: gonna get frustrated.
Speaker 1: And like, so I think of what I've learned in
Speaker 1: my mind for that, but I don't always practice it.
Speaker 1: Two completely different things. We're also doing something wrong in
Speaker 1: that sense that an expert may say differently. But I
Speaker 1: think what would work easier in that situation was, you know, Jolie,
Speaker 1: please turn that off. Well, when she doesn't listen that
Speaker 1: first time, going getting on her level, getting eye level
Speaker 1: with her and saying I need you to please turn
Speaker 1: this off, and then it would probably change, I think,
Speaker 1: but we get so busy and we're doing things, and
Speaker 1: we're doing that, and then we're frustrated because we asked
Speaker 1: them to do something three times, you know, And so
Speaker 1: I think that that's partly on us as well.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna probably regret saying this, but so I shouldn't
Speaker 2: even start. But but here goes well because I think
Speaker 2: we're such a different kind of generation of parent. Like
Speaker 2: for me personally, the way I was raised was out
Speaker 2: of fear, like if you told me to turn that off,
Speaker 2: not one, or I'm going to get the death stair
Speaker 2: or hit with something like it was eggshell walking, So
Speaker 2: it wasn't I didn't. I sometimes have this moment where
Speaker 2: I'm like, I kind of love not sometimes in the moment,
Speaker 2: but I'm sometimes later like, gosh, I love that they're
Speaker 2: like I don't want to because they can say that
Speaker 2: to me. I could never say anything. I've operated out
Speaker 2: of fear. It was like yes, sir, no, sir, it's
Speaker 2: the soap, because I've got the soap before Budge and
Speaker 2: Breast might have. Also, I'm gonna get dreamed.
Speaker 3: I don't what I think we've talked. I feel like
Speaker 3: you I mean.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. I know, there's just I think where I'm
Speaker 2: at right now is there's this really fine line in
Speaker 2: parenting for me. You're shocked, Are you shaming me? I'm
Speaker 2: I'm I'm processing. I'm trying. I'm honest, I'm trying not
Speaker 2: to judge me or process.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, I think she mays judge you, but she's
Speaker 1: going to take that back.
Speaker 2: Okay, it's damn it, but not judge. They do not
Speaker 2: judge because I know you, like you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: Like I've yelled where you've done things and like you
Speaker 2: know you wouldn't have done so no judgment. Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 2: So I just had to think of soap when I
Speaker 2: was like seven, Well he's five and he's a If
Speaker 2: I'm honest, I love him so much. You guys, I'm
Speaker 2: telling you I quite possibly might be raising the president
Speaker 2: of the United States. And I'm not even kidding. He's
Speaker 2: that kind of like leader, unapologetically the one that rides bike.
Speaker 2: So WHOA. That was damn much. No judgment, just physical ability.
Speaker 2: It was I think it was. It's just like I
Speaker 2: try to run this ride this fine line of like
Speaker 2: what what we had preserving the o genus of some
Speaker 2: of the ways we were raised and also implementing this
Speaker 2: layer of like, actually you can feel and you can
Speaker 2: tell me some things and I want you to. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, I think there's a balance there because at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, we do need them to listen
Speaker 1: to us and do what we've asked them to do.
Speaker 2: We have to because it's also a lot of safety.
Speaker 1: But if they don't fear at all, and I'll go
Speaker 1: back to it and I'm gonna take I'm gonna take
Speaker 1: this back.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I struggle with this as well, because do we need
Speaker 1: them to have no fear whatsoever there's no consequence if
Speaker 1: they have to because I mean, I'm saying that now
Speaker 1: as high school kids, like I know the ones whose
Speaker 1: parents don't, they have no fear that they know they're
Speaker 1: gonna go do something.
Speaker 3: There's no consequence at home.
Speaker 1: So that's where that's a hard balance for me, Like
Speaker 1: it does to me, start with something so small as
Speaker 1: turn the TV off. I don't want them to be
Speaker 1: fearful of me, but I need them to know that like,
Speaker 1: if you're not going to do what I'm ask on
Speaker 1: bigger scales where there's gonna be consequences.
Speaker 2: When kids like developmentally, like I went to school for
Speaker 2: early childhood first, and you learn really quickly, like they
Speaker 2: need discipline. They need to know the boundaries that's feel
Speaker 2: safe to them, because if it's a big, wild world,
Speaker 2: it doesn't feel safe to them. Yeah. So I always
Speaker 2: try to operate with this like mentality of I always
Speaker 2: call it like the yard in my brain, not like
Speaker 2: not like the yard in a jail, but like it's
Speaker 2: like they need to know where the fence line is.
Speaker 2: They need to know where you can be pushed to.
Speaker 2: They need to know what's not safe. Like if you're
Speaker 2: not listening to me for anything, then when it is
Speaker 2: about your safety, you won't listen either.
Speaker 3: Yeah mm hmm. It's just it's a hard balance.
Speaker 2: So then would you go to therapy with your kid
Speaker 2: to talk through these steps. I would go to therapy
Speaker 2: with anyone. I love therapy. I would go just because
Speaker 2: I think for someone like well, for the kids, the separation,
Speaker 2: I always want them to I always want to check
Speaker 2: in with that. I also feel like Jolie is a
Speaker 2: lot like her dad where she doesn't express her feelings,
Speaker 2: whereas Jace is a little bit more open to sharing
Speaker 2: feelings at the moment at five. But Jolie is she's
Speaker 2: such a people pleaser, like she just wants and deaths
Speaker 2: where she's like, you know, she shews everyone to be happy.
Speaker 2: So she's like, Mommy, we'll do that, like if that's
Speaker 2: makes it. I'm like, baby, do you want to do that? Honey?
Speaker 2: You don't need to Well, I like both how like anytime,
Speaker 2: like Jace has a mood and he's like, I like
Speaker 2: Daddy's hous better, or I like you know, or he
Speaker 2: you know Michael Kalmbick, well, he sees like you. He
Speaker 2: wants to be says, you know, here's not a good
Speaker 2: you know, I don't want to be here. And I'm
Speaker 2: like he's five and he's being whatever. But Joe was like,
Speaker 2: I love both places. And I'm like, honey, you don't
Speaker 2: need to say that. I love you for like saying.
Speaker 2: But I was like, I just I want her to
Speaker 2: be able to have a place where she can because
Speaker 2: I'm like, I just I see her in her mind
Speaker 2: just always like thinking maybe that's just her age. But
Speaker 2: I'm like, are you good baby field her, you know,
Speaker 2: because I just I'm like, they have so much they're
Speaker 2: thinking I'm like I want her to go talk it
Speaker 2: all out, you know, and if that needs to be
Speaker 2: me in the room or me out of the room,
Speaker 2: like I've definitely and I think there are some things too,
Speaker 2: like learning stuff like maybe with maybe her might the
Speaker 2: slexia or the ADHD like that, I need to learn
Speaker 2: tools to how to maybe talk to her better too,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: So that's a good point.
Speaker 2: And I'm talking to Amy about that because I'm like,
Speaker 2: I don't feel like a ride her a lot, but
Speaker 2: it's because I don't think we're like but I think
Speaker 2: she might need, you know, I don't there's something that
Speaker 2: I think she needs to be. I should really just
Speaker 2: start having joint sessions. Because Amy and I just had
Speaker 2: this compage. So she's like, I think she should do.
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, I do, And I'm having her being
Speaker 2: evaluated too, like because.
Speaker 3: Well, like I don't think that.
Speaker 1: Like for a very good example of that, it's like
Speaker 1: I I don't think Emmy's ADHD, but I have figured
Speaker 1: out we're twelve years in on her life, you know,
Speaker 1: Like Kayden, I can say I need you to do one, two, three,
Speaker 1: four five. It's done in ten minutes to any old
Speaker 1: I say one yeah, if I say one, two, three,
Speaker 1: she'll come back and be like what was Like, she
Speaker 1: legitimately can't, and so like I've learned, I have to
Speaker 1: ask her one thing, focus on the one thing, and
Speaker 1: then come back to me. Okay, now I need you
Speaker 1: to do this.
Speaker 2: Because we're we get upsided like how do you not remember?
Speaker 2: But I'm like, oh, she just physically can't. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So see, I think you learned that with each child too.
Speaker 1: Whether there's ADHD there or not, maybe there's tendencies. I
Speaker 1: don't know, but she cannot focus on a list of
Speaker 1: things to do at once in her head.
Speaker 2: Me neither. Would you go with your parents to therapy
Speaker 2: at this age of your life, Kristin, I, well, I'm
Speaker 2: down to one parent. I would have loved to go
Speaker 2: on therapy with my dad so that I could have
Speaker 2: done some reckoning this side of heaven, because I think
Speaker 2: that there's a lot of things I wish I could
Speaker 2: have said to her that I didn't get to say
Speaker 2: that would have felt good for him to hear. I
Speaker 2: am a firm believer though, that the listening is almost
Speaker 2: more important than the talking, and I don't know that
Speaker 2: I have any listening parents left in this moment just
Speaker 2: for their The point in my mom's grief journey is
Speaker 2: just really I'm just very observant right now, and I
Speaker 2: don't know that she is in a listening face, she
Speaker 2: is in a living pace, she is gone busy, you know,
Speaker 2: and I just don't know. Well, I think again, it
Speaker 2: comes to a time where you just have to what
Speaker 2: Amy has told us is you have to almost accept
Speaker 2: them for who they are at this point, you know,
Speaker 2: because they haven't done therapy before, or it'd be hard
Speaker 2: to start at this point. Yeah, and I think I've
Speaker 2: made peace with I've definitely made peace with my dad
Speaker 2: my mom. I've recently come to piece that, you know,
Speaker 2: we might just might not be of what I've wanted
Speaker 2: for either one of our relationships. But I can now go, Okay,
Speaker 2: I can choose to have a good relationship here. I
Speaker 2: just have to just have no expectations on X, Y
Speaker 2: and Z, and I can live with that. So I
Speaker 2: read this was really great quote, and I was hoping
Speaker 2: I could find it for you. But essentially for younger listeners,
Speaker 2: I will just say I do regret not doing something
Speaker 2: with my parents at a younger age because I had
Speaker 2: spent so many years resenting like my father for example,
Speaker 2: or you know, so I think that then contributed to
Speaker 2: potential relationships in my belief in myself from the lack
Speaker 2: of what I thought he believed in me. Oh sure, yeah,
Speaker 2: so yeah this quote I read, I just felt like it.
Speaker 2: Maybe this will go somewhere with both of you. It
Speaker 2: says she accepts people as they are, but places them
Speaker 2: where they belong. Topic number two. Shana Kler is Travis
Speaker 2: Barker's ex wife, and she's accusing Travis and Courtney of
Speaker 2: parenting alienation. So Shana is sharing new details about her
Speaker 2: co parenting relationship with Travis Barker. We just start with
Speaker 2: saying co parenting is so challenging, so empathy there for
Speaker 2: just the table. In a preview clip of Wednesday's upcoming
Speaker 2: episode of The Dumb Blonde Podcast obtained by The New
Speaker 2: York Post, Page Mochler forty eight, talked with host Bunny
Speaker 2: XO about her relationship with ex husband Barker, alleging that
Speaker 2: he and his wife, Courtney Kardashian have been trying to
Speaker 2: one up her as a parent. So Mochler shares her
Speaker 2: son Landon and daughter Alabama twenty and eighteen with Travis.
Speaker 2: She's also a mom to daughter a Tiana twenty four,
Speaker 2: whom she shares with her ex Oscar de Lahoya. I
Speaker 2: didn't know that. I didn't either until today. I'm savvy
Speaker 2: and knew whom Travis helped raise. So Mochler called the
Speaker 2: Kardashians disgusting, saying I removed myself so that they couldn't
Speaker 2: bond over my children hating me. Go do what you
Speaker 2: need to do, and when you're ready, I'll be her,
Speaker 2: loving you unconditionally. The mom of two went on, and
Speaker 2: I will be here as your mother and I will wait.
Speaker 2: And that's what I did. When Travis got with Courtney,
Speaker 2: there was some parental alienation going on there where Travis,
Speaker 2: even when we weren't together, always wanted to be the
Speaker 2: super dad, she said of her ex. I'm the best parent,
Speaker 2: I'm the this and I'm that, and I'm like, bro,
Speaker 2: you win like you're the winner here. You have all
Speaker 2: the money, you have all of this, You're the winner.
Speaker 3: She says.
Speaker 2: I think there was a lot of glitter and fame,
Speaker 2: and they watched them on TV, and now their dad
Speaker 2: is dating one and they're going to be on the show.
Speaker 2: She said of her kids, and I think they got
Speaker 2: caught up in that which young kids would do. They're
Speaker 2: buying them Prada, they're buying them gifts, and they're going
Speaker 2: to these events, and they're meeting Kanye and you know,
Speaker 2: all the big stuff. She says, I can't give them that.
Speaker 2: I don't have that, I don't have access to that.
Speaker 2: I don't have the money to do that. I can't
Speaker 2: buy you guys Prada every other week and stuff I
Speaker 2: can't I don't and I can't do it. My house
Speaker 2: isn't a mansion like Travis. I don't have a movie theater.
Speaker 2: I don't have golf carts for you kids to drive.
Speaker 2: She added, We're up for Travis did not obviously respond.
Speaker 2: You know, Travis and Courtney don't pay attention to what
Speaker 2: Shane is doing. A friend of the couple tells people,
Speaker 2: which we know who the friends of people are. They're
Speaker 2: so happy in life right now. So I mean, what
Speaker 2: do you think about Shane speaking out about Travis and
Speaker 2: Courtney and that in that and do you think because
Speaker 2: one of the questions too is I do think there's
Speaker 2: a feeling competition between co parenting and I think, you know,
Speaker 2: it would be hard if the roles were reverse, and like,
Speaker 2: you know, I couldn't give my kids maybe what the
Speaker 2: other parents giving them. I could look at that and
Speaker 2: go that would be tough because they probably would want
Speaker 2: to go to the bigger house and to the ones
Speaker 2: that have more toys or this or that or the other,
Speaker 2: or more fame, and so as the co parent, I
Speaker 2: would feel I would struggle. I woul probably would. I'm
Speaker 2: just being honest. I think I would struggle with that
Speaker 2: because I can't give them that.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 2: On the flip side that I was like, but I
Speaker 2: can give them love and I give them a home,
Speaker 2: like you know whatever. But I think kids see the
Speaker 2: that they don't see that until they're older.
Speaker 1: Weren't they like teenagers, right, So that's even more shane.
Speaker 1: It's just even more like oh I get to meet
Speaker 1: so and so, Oh I get to go here, we
Speaker 1: get the movie theater. That's like even more heightened at
Speaker 1: that age. And I think that personally, I think what
Speaker 1: she's done and said, I mean besides talking out, you know,
Speaker 1: in public or whatever, but like it's pretty smart, like
Speaker 1: you know, saying to your kids, I can't give that,
Speaker 1: but I'm here and I'm going to be your parent,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna they're going to see that in the end.
Speaker 1: They're going to understand that as they grow up. But
Speaker 1: that can't be easy. I mean I would struggle with
Speaker 1: it too. But all she can do is be honest.
Speaker 1: She can't just go broke and try to provide the
Speaker 1: same you know.
Speaker 2: And you know, listen again with the co parenting thing,
Speaker 2: it's like, you don't want to ever alienate. You always
Speaker 2: want to talk good about the other parents. So I
Speaker 2: hope that that's at least there. But I can I
Speaker 2: can understand her feelings of maybe that competition vibe. I
Speaker 2: guess I don't know why she said it. I know
Speaker 2: she was like, I think that is maybe my hang
Speaker 2: up a little, which is probably people listening to me
Speaker 2: on here, like why did you you know, Like I'm
Speaker 2: talking about my kids too and things that they go through.
Speaker 2: But I it feels I shouldn't say it. It just
Speaker 2: feels a little like an insecurity, like it's her, like
Speaker 2: she's got to have a voice to it. And I
Speaker 2: can understand. I can't understand actually or even imagine. You
Speaker 2: think she's more jealous of it being Courtney Kardashian. I
Speaker 2: think if it wasn't Courtney, and if it was just
Speaker 2: like a girl next door, she wouldn't care. I think
Speaker 2: it's wildly honest, and I love that. I just wonder
Speaker 2: if it is strategic somehow in which way, because I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's strategic. I think she's just hurt
Speaker 2: and it's hard. But being Courtney, then that to me
Speaker 2: is like a therapy visit or a diary visit, unless
Speaker 2: of a.
Speaker 3: Tell Bunny, And that's where this came from.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying that I'm talking about it.
Speaker 3: On a podcast, like everything comes.
Speaker 1: We don't know about that, Like every time we talk
Speaker 1: about something in here, we get talking and start talking
Speaker 1: about something that's hard or hurtful or whatever, and then
Speaker 1: it gets picked up and it seems like she's doing
Speaker 1: it for And that's why I said earlier, besides her
Speaker 1: talking about it in public, it feels to me like
Speaker 1: it's just hard and you're having to compete with a
Speaker 1: freaking Kardashian and teenage kids like but maybe maybe she
Speaker 1: did just say it out there to I don't know,
Speaker 1: but no.
Speaker 2: No, I just wonder, like, what is the reason for saint,
Speaker 2: you know, like of course she feels that where it
Speaker 2: came from, so that would be tough, though I can't
Speaker 2: even freaking imagine. I mean, there's literally no one bigger
Speaker 2: right name, someone bigger name, bigger celebrity family, I mean
Speaker 2: the Royals, but.
Speaker 3: Even then, but even then take her out of it.
Speaker 1: Like I can think of someone that we know very
Speaker 1: specifically who was giving their teenager prades, shoes and all
Speaker 1: the things, all the time.
Speaker 2: Thinking and thinking and it's not me, So oh.
Speaker 1: You know, don't know the ex wife, but she probably couldn't,
Speaker 1: you know. And so it's like, but did that mean anything?
Speaker 1: That's probably she's probably going to Daddy for the black
Speaker 1: card to make sure that she go, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, But like she's with her mama, but she
Speaker 1: also knows that, you know. So I don't think it
Speaker 1: has to be who they are necessarily, but like when
Speaker 1: you're you're a teenager and you're getting all those things,
Speaker 1: like of course, like can you blame them?
Speaker 2: I think at the end of the day, no matter what,
Speaker 2: as long as you love your kids, give them a
Speaker 2: beautiful home, it's not going to matter the size of
Speaker 2: the house, how big it is, how many toys you had,
Speaker 2: as they want to love in that house, and I
Speaker 2: don't think the kids see that until later in life.
Speaker 2: That's but as long as you're consistent, you're loving, you
Speaker 2: show them. My kids will never know the difference between
Speaker 2: my house and their dad's house because there's love in
Speaker 2: both houses. And it's not a competition. I'm in the
Speaker 2: long grain for parenting. Yeah, I am in it for
Speaker 2: like the thirty year old conversation I get to have
Speaker 2: with love or she's like two hundred nights a year,
Speaker 2: how did you do that? Yeah, you know, and well, truthfully,
Speaker 2: like just like for them to I don't ever say
Speaker 2: I do this by myself, and Dada is on the
Speaker 2: you know, like he has to do what he has
Speaker 2: to do, so I can do what I can do
Speaker 2: for them. Yeah, but there will be inevitably a day
Speaker 2: where they go, oh wow, you know or something, and
Speaker 2: maybe it's not a talk, it's just it's.
Speaker 1: All in conversations around I'm like, I'm not doing this
Speaker 1: all by myself. Get your butts in here and help me.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, but it's just Yeah, I think you parent
Speaker 2: for the long game, and I think it's about making
Speaker 2: good people.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Topic number three Lindsay Lohan and Tina Favor You unite
Speaker 2: twenty years later for Mean Girls, the musical premiere Love It.
Speaker 2: First of all, I was gonna say, I love Lindsa
Speaker 2: Lowhans back, I do. I loved your Christmas for me
Speaker 2: last year. I just love the whole thing Mean Girls.
Speaker 2: Do you let's just talk about that? Did you? You
Speaker 2: guys obviously look love mean Girls?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, the only thing is so long I was.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 2: I was shocked to hear that Richard Goddams wasn't even
Speaker 2: asked about coming back for the commercial that they had. Yes,
Speaker 2: I wasn't asked, probably because they couldn't afford her. But
Speaker 2: either way, do you guys, speaking of mean girls, do
Speaker 2: you guys have any mean girls that you remember from
Speaker 2: high school?
Speaker 3: Plenty?
Speaker 2: I have one. She has two first names, Ashley Scott. No,
Speaker 2: she wishes I won't give her any energy, but she
Speaker 2: knows who she is really mean. I also wore a
Speaker 2: back brace. Oh that's right, I wish I was making
Speaker 2: that up.
Speaker 3: Cramer puts her head down.
Speaker 2: Oh that's right. Yeah, I mean listen is there was
Speaker 2: there plenty for people to purge on and if they
Speaker 2: wanted to or binge on with my back brace probably
Speaker 2: no boobs overplucked my eyebrows, But really I just felt.
Speaker 1: Like that was too bad though, like to even to
Speaker 1: like name those things and be like, oh, people had
Speaker 1: everything to mess with, Like that's terrible.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean I look back and I'm like, wow,
Speaker 2: bless sure, but doesn't Yeah it was ruthef, I mean
Speaker 2: it was rough. Yeah, That's why I feel bad about
Speaker 2: what I said about Shana. We have to check ourselves
Speaker 2: even as forty two year olds. No, I think she's great.
Speaker 2: I actually loved her and I watched her with the
Speaker 2: Barker Show. You look at the me, Do you look
Speaker 2: at her differently now than you did from when you
Speaker 2: were in high school? Like if you were to look
Speaker 2: at like, I had one mean girl. She wasn't very
Speaker 2: nice and I don't even know why she was so
Speaker 2: mean to me, But I don't Were you always hot?
Speaker 2: No new, new, new, new, new new. It might have
Speaker 2: blessed the senior year, but besides that, No, I mean
Speaker 2: I didn't even get My boobs didn't come until I
Speaker 2: was like nineteen, so I was a late blimmer.
Speaker 3: You should still haven't come in So I waiting.
Speaker 2: I saw on my yearbook the other day when we
Speaker 2: were cleaning out the garage and Alan about fell over
Speaker 2: when he saw one of my yearbook pictures. He's like,
Speaker 2: that's you, and I was like, yeah, he's like, I
Speaker 2: can't even I can't even say what he said because
Speaker 2: that's how like, no, oh yeah, and he'll he took
Speaker 2: a picture of it. Yeah. I you guys, she was ruthless. So,
Speaker 2: but do you think of her any differently now? I
Speaker 2: feel like Amy and I don't look at her now.
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh this is I mean, her words hurt
Speaker 2: and she was mean, but m m so I ran
Speaker 2: into her in college m hm, and everything stayed on
Speaker 2: brand unless and listen, I have changed a thousand times
Speaker 2: over since I was even twenty five twenty seven. I
Speaker 2: just don't know. I don't I actually don't think about
Speaker 2: her at all, which is great and that's wonderful, but
Speaker 2: I just don't know. I have no interest. And even honestly,
Speaker 2: I say hi to everyone, and I don't know that
Speaker 2: I would say hi to her if I ran into her,
Speaker 2: because I just don't think there's much to.
Speaker 3: Have you ever thought about? Though?
Speaker 1: As kids, we probably all at some point did something
Speaker 1: that was mean to someone that might have stuck out.
Speaker 3: In their heads of course, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Hm, Like, I mean, I can't think of an example,
Speaker 1: but there has to have been something that I can't
Speaker 1: think of that I said or did to someone that
Speaker 1: they could be you on the couch, no, no going.
Speaker 1: That person was mean to me. And so all that
Speaker 1: to say, I think that there is grace for people
Speaker 1: when they're younger. But then I think that there are
Speaker 1: those people. You find them when you're forty and you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: you haven't changed.
Speaker 2: I hope she's changed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, grew up a little bit.
Speaker 2: I mean, I hope she has, because that's not any
Speaker 2: way to live. Yeah, that's miserable. We all have the
Speaker 2: right to change, That's correct. Ki Kioko shares a relatable
Speaker 2: parenting woman on a nine month old daughter. I can't
Speaker 2: are nine months old. Matilda's first flight, so first fight
Speaker 2: over Thanksgiving she was I was so terrified, she told Kimmel.
Speaker 2: So I thought, what do we do? We have to
Speaker 2: bring her saw machine on the Plane's the only thing
Speaker 2: she can go tous sleep too.
Speaker 4: Oh.
Speaker 2: I love being a first time parent. I used to
Speaker 2: have the phone in Juli's ear when I was rocking
Speaker 2: around the plane. With like this this sleep machine to
Speaker 2: like go to sleep, or oh my god, this is funny.
Speaker 2: The star continued. She's so she's crying. It was hard.
Speaker 2: She finally fell asleep, and she's on U. She's on Tom,
Speaker 2: her husband, or I think they got under their engagement.
Speaker 2: The sound machine is on and we're finally like, ah sy.
Speaker 2: The steward's come over and he's like, hey, one of
Speaker 2: our passengers would love it if you would turn this
Speaker 2: sound machine off. And I'm sitting there and I'm like,
Speaker 2: oh my god. The coca recalls and I can feel
Speaker 2: Tom be like, hey, ask the passenger if she wants
Speaker 2: to hold our screaming painted shots. When we turned it off,
Speaker 2: and I mean the ice went into the veins. I
Speaker 2: couldn't believe by the way she asked us to turn
Speaker 2: it off. The base added, uh, she said, this is
Speaker 2: so crazy, and what a terrible job to have to
Speaker 2: be a flight tendant, have to deliver a message of
Speaker 2: that type. We were so angry. So then we landed
Speaker 2: and was the woman in right in front of us,
Speaker 2: and so we get up and she goes, oh, so
Speaker 2: your daughter does know how to smile. It was in
Speaker 2: that moment where I understood why why women end up
Speaker 2: on dateline.
Speaker 3: That's funny.
Speaker 2: I wonder if she had two first names. Wait, the
Speaker 2: woman in front of her, what.
Speaker 3: Your baby does know how to smile?
Speaker 2: This is what I'm saying. Guys do mean girls? Stay
Speaker 2: mean girls? Is what I'm saying. I hope not, but
Speaker 2: like there's people like.
Speaker 3: That for sure.
Speaker 1: I also I would have responded, like the husband, sure,
Speaker 1: I'll turn it off if she wants to hold my
Speaker 1: screaming baby. You would, actually one hundred percent yeah, in
Speaker 1: a very nice way, I'd say, absolutely, you.
Speaker 3: Can have my baby and get to sleep.
Speaker 2: So I mean, we'll forget that they were babies. That's
Speaker 2: what my comeback is always when everybody has anything to
Speaker 2: say about babies, I'm like, I think you forget you
Speaker 2: were a baby, and you probably had a rough flight.
Speaker 1: I always such anxiety for moms on planes, and not
Speaker 1: because I care in the least.
Speaker 3: They don't bother me.
Speaker 1: It does not, But if I know they're having a
Speaker 1: hard time, I know that feeling and that anxiety, and
Speaker 1: I just hate it for them.
Speaker 2: It's not fair. Anxiety.
Speaker 3: Yeah sucks.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So here's the thing.
Speaker 3: Chanda's like, and I'm the person asking I was.
Speaker 2: Just kidding, Yah, I just I Okay, how do I
Speaker 2: say this? It drives me nuts when people do not
Speaker 2: have the when someone's watching a show on the plane
Speaker 2: without the headphones in, it literally drives me bonkers. And
Speaker 2: I'm like, my whole body language is like yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: like it's so rude to me. I married him, and
Speaker 2: I down not always, but for a minute, I can't
Speaker 2: do that. Well, he's trying to connect, I know, but
Speaker 2: I'm like, can you just pause it? Like every ounder?
Speaker 2: So Devil's advocate? What is I understand? And again hello baby?
Speaker 2: Well I also would like, this is silly, but I'd
Speaker 2: like to know the kind of sound machine because I
Speaker 2: do feel like a plane sounds like a sound machine.
Speaker 2: I was going to say also what I was going
Speaker 2: to do, but I mean like, and you know, I
Speaker 2: would go, I go like in the ear, like you
Speaker 2: are a mock sound machine, you know what I mean? Like, yeah,
Speaker 2: So I think there's I think there's variables to all
Speaker 2: of this. And I'm like, and again I get it.
Speaker 2: We all have babies, we get it. Like I'm not
Speaker 2: like and I love Kaylee like the whole thing. Having
Speaker 2: said that, again, how loud was it? What was the
Speaker 2: actual sound? Because I will say this, I love sleeping
Speaker 2: with the sound machine on people that i've been, you know,
Speaker 2: when we're when we're on tour. You let's just say
Speaker 2: one of y'all do not like the sound machine. If
Speaker 2: they watch the answer stories, they know it's me. It
Speaker 2: sounds like we're in a tornado. So I need that
Speaker 2: to sleep. Yeah, but some people like silence. So if
Speaker 2: it's a noise that's driving someone crazy, baby or not,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Like I don't mean to be like blunt
Speaker 2: with it, but I just kind of the rule to
Speaker 2: not have the sound if it's being distracting to another person.
Speaker 2: I understand the mask.
Speaker 3: I don't like comment with a baby would be more distracting.
Speaker 1: So if it now, if the baby's already asleep, you
Speaker 1: could probably turn the noise maker.
Speaker 2: Up, make it lower, you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 2: maybe it a little lower, put it closer to the
Speaker 2: ear and away the men kind of you know. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm with you. It's mostly it's just the comment. For me,
Speaker 2: it's the comment afterwards, I because it's the off two
Speaker 2: like that just kind of tells you where what you know, whatever.
Speaker 2: I will also say this. I'm not defending, said passenger.
Speaker 2: There have been flights that I have taken where I
Speaker 2: have been in a very tumultuous personal on my way
Speaker 2: to someplace like to grieve, or to death, or to
Speaker 2: hospice or to like, you don't know, and you're just like,
Speaker 2: I wonder if that woman feels like she wishes she
Speaker 2: didn't say that, you know, Yeah, I hope so. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think we all say things that we don't mean sometimes,
Speaker 2: and maybe she was going through something. I truly think
Speaker 2: when someone says something mean, they've got something they're going through. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So, oh, I had a great quote for this the
Speaker 3: other day too.
Speaker 2: Can you dig it.
Speaker 4: Out of there?
Speaker 3: It's just people's responses aren't about you, it's about them.
Speaker 2: Yeah they ah? So, I mean that's our hot topics.
Speaker 2: I feel informed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I knew none of this.
Speaker 2: None. It's like a liturely zero. I didn't even know
Speaker 2: that Shana married Oscar Oscar Leli, I know Oscar de
Speaker 2: la Hoya on that stuff, I don't know anything. Well,
Speaker 2: So on that note, is there any other hot topics
Speaker 2: that we have? I always feel like you're teeing us
Speaker 2: up for something when you literally got nothing no, I
Speaker 2: would say, I am struggling, like with parenting my son
Speaker 2: right now. So that's just my vulnerability moment where I'm like,
Speaker 2: I want to he's such a leader. I just want
Speaker 2: to be what he needs and I can't find the
Speaker 2: sweet spot for what that is. He's a very alpha
Speaker 2: male out of the gate. He has been. I he
Speaker 2: just is, and so it's a yeah, it's in them,
Speaker 2: it's it's incredible. When he was four his Character Award
Speaker 2: was for Godly Justice, and when he was five his
Speaker 2: Character Award was for passionate Heart.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So those are big things for people to see in him. Sure,
Speaker 2: but stewarding that is really tricky. Yeah. Well, girls, I
Speaker 2: love you and uh, channel's judging me again. I am
Speaker 2: not judging you, basically, I try not to do. It's
Speaker 2: just because it's it's it's a childhood thing for me.
Speaker 2: Sure that the belt the thing, it's it's it's in
Speaker 2: that I don't have a belt, which is you know,
Speaker 2: it's like it's but we all have very different parenting styles.
Speaker 1: What she's trying to say is I know that Catherine
Speaker 1: has spanked her kids before, and I judge her for that.
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't I am no I and Jason
Speaker 2: Legend couldn't.
Speaker 1: Different of those words out of her mouth, but I
Speaker 1: knew her brain.
Speaker 2: But how I speak sometimes to my it's not right either.
Speaker 2: So it doesn't make it any it's just it's all
Speaker 2: the it's just how we like I have reacted in
Speaker 2: awful ways that I have to take back. It's just
Speaker 2: there's something about the physicality piece for me that is
Speaker 2: is a very deep thing for me in childhood. Well,
Speaker 2: it's always for me. It's not out of anger. I
Speaker 2: can't do anything out of anger. That's my promise to myself. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's what's because that's when it's like, yeah, like I,
Speaker 2: so did you did you put it? Like all like
Speaker 2: what did you do? I'm gonna get banned. We're just
Speaker 2: gonna all right, well I judged b