WEBVTT - Is This News? | LeBron, Rondo, Woj 0:00:09.640 --> 0:00:13.840 Good mornings, sweet world, and welcome to the No Dunk's 0:00:13.880 --> 0:00:18.119 podcast on the Athletic Network. It's Monday, July thirteenth. Thumb 0:00:18.200 --> 0:00:20.279 j skeets and joining us thanks to the power of 0:00:20.400 --> 0:00:21.599 zoom Tass Melis. 0:00:22.000 --> 0:00:23.760 Hey everybody, Hey, what's up? 0:00:23.840 --> 0:00:26.799 Tassy? We got the international man of mystery taking it 0:00:26.840 --> 0:00:32.400 to the Max le Ellis friends, but not least making 0:00:32.400 --> 0:00:35.040 the magic happen today is jd Hello, There he is 0:00:35.520 --> 0:00:38.720 and here we are once again. No Trey Kirby or 0:00:38.760 --> 0:00:41.600 it is. He's still stuck in a yurt, can't find 0:00:41.600 --> 0:00:44.960 his way out. It's deceiving right, It's a weird circle, 0:00:45.000 --> 0:00:47.720 that's exactly. He just wandering around, no corners to exactly. 0:00:51.640 --> 0:00:54.280 But we will hear from Trey a little bit later 0:00:54.320 --> 0:00:56.840 this week. He plans on joining us for a beach 0:00:56.960 --> 0:00:59.920 step in on Wednesday. Guys, email us your questions and 0:01:00.120 --> 0:01:02.760 comments for that beach step in. Email them into No 0:01:02.840 --> 0:01:04.520 Dunks at the Athletic dot com, or you can hit 0:01:04.600 --> 0:01:07.240 us up on Twitter at No dunk Sinc. Hashtag No Dunks. 0:01:07.360 --> 0:01:09.720 Follow us on social media Twitter and Instagram at No 0:01:09.840 --> 0:01:13.760 dunk Sinc. Leley another fantastic job. We posted it on 0:01:13.800 --> 0:01:18.360 the Weekend You're Poppin' Packs podcast with James Worthy last week. Yeah, 0:01:18.800 --> 0:01:19.320 I loved it. 0:01:19.720 --> 0:01:20.080 Thank you. 0:01:20.440 --> 0:01:23.080 Anytime we get a story about Vattie Debach rolling his 0:01:23.080 --> 0:01:27.480 own cigarettes, I'm in. I always love it. Man. James 0:01:27.520 --> 0:01:29.640 Worthy's got an incredible memory too. 0:01:29.760 --> 0:01:32.760 Yeah, yeah, it was on fire. Oh it was yeah, 0:01:32.760 --> 0:01:35.120 one of my mosten joga ones because really took him 0:01:35.160 --> 0:01:37.080 back to those days and he remembered as if it 0:01:37.120 --> 0:01:37.880 was like yesterday. 0:01:37.920 --> 0:01:39.760 Sorry, I mean, would you would like give him a 0:01:39.840 --> 0:01:42.560 hint and then he would be like, oh yeah, Fresno State, 0:01:42.640 --> 0:01:46.399 California eighty five. I had twenty nine he had. You know, 0:01:46.400 --> 0:01:49.200 it was pretty Impressiveyeah, So listen to that podcast from 0:01:49.200 --> 0:01:51.920 the Weekend with James Worthy. It really is enjoyable. Listen. 0:01:52.000 --> 0:01:55.680 And then you've got another another Hall of Famer. You're 0:01:55.720 --> 0:01:57.960 saying locked in for tomorrow? Is that correct? 0:01:58.360 --> 0:02:01.520 You can lock it in there, JDA Dominique Wilkins Hall 0:02:01.560 --> 0:02:04.360 of Famer. He's even got a statue why to be 0:02:04.440 --> 0:02:07.360 joining me tomorrow on throwback turn Back Tuesday. I think 0:02:07.360 --> 0:02:08.200 we're calling it. 0:02:09.919 --> 0:02:10.120 Like that. 0:02:10.160 --> 0:02:11.880 I mean, you know the idea of this is to 0:02:11.919 --> 0:02:14.040 do it on a throwback Thursday. But if these guests 0:02:14.040 --> 0:02:15.760 say they're in. I'm like, do it as soon as 0:02:15.800 --> 0:02:18.120 you can, so don't give them a chance to flake 0:02:18.240 --> 0:02:20.400 or to ghost me. So Nik on Tuesday might try 0:02:20.400 --> 0:02:21.560 to get another one later in the week. 0:02:21.919 --> 0:02:24.480 Why not? Yeah? Okay, the Human Highlight film on Tuesday. 0:02:24.560 --> 0:02:27.200 So you have really two ways to listen slash watch it. 0:02:27.280 --> 0:02:29.600 You can join you live on Instagram. Make sure you 0:02:29.639 --> 0:02:31.600 follow us and we and we tweeted out as well, 0:02:31.600 --> 0:02:33.200 So make sure you follow us on social media. You'll 0:02:33.200 --> 0:02:37.119 see legal and live with Nick or not you can't 0:02:37.160 --> 0:02:39.880 do that, you can catch the podcast lead on the weekend. 0:02:39.880 --> 0:02:41.680 We drop it as a little bonus. So there you go. 0:02:41.919 --> 0:02:44.400 That's fantastic. So you got Nik for tomorrow, who give 0:02:44.480 --> 0:02:45.680 us a hand? Two? You got lined up for the 0:02:45.680 --> 0:02:46.960 rest of you. Are you trying? 0:02:48.120 --> 0:02:50.160 Well, let's see, I don't. I really don't like to 0:02:50.160 --> 0:02:52.840 say until I've got some sort of like let's let's 0:02:52.840 --> 0:02:56.400 work out a time. Let me just say I'm I'm 0:02:56.440 --> 0:03:00.359 emailing and contacting people and I'm optimistic I'm up. 0:03:00.280 --> 0:03:05.040 To Okay, it's player that has email capabilities. 0:03:06.080 --> 0:03:09.240 Yeah, are you emailing with the athlete himself or with 0:03:09.720 --> 0:03:10.160 a rep? 0:03:10.400 --> 0:03:13.400 Some? Well some that's the thing. Sometimes it's me directly 0:03:13.440 --> 0:03:15.560 with the person and other times it's through a rep. 0:03:15.639 --> 0:03:17.679 So but but if I get this other player, he's 0:03:17.720 --> 0:03:21.919 also a Hall of Famer. Okay, but yeah, we would 0:03:21.960 --> 0:03:23.760 just We're just we would just calm the farm on 0:03:23.760 --> 0:03:25.000 that one ferment. Okay. 0:03:25.040 --> 0:03:26.880 I got one more question before we move on here, 0:03:27.040 --> 0:03:29.200 because I was, as I said, I listened to the 0:03:29.240 --> 0:03:33.440 podcast with James Worthy on Saturday that we posted a 0:03:33.440 --> 0:03:36.160 lot of those cards. Okay, there wasn't a lot of duds. 0:03:36.200 --> 0:03:38.160 I noticed in that pack of cards. I think you 0:03:38.160 --> 0:03:41.560 were working with the ninety one ninety two hoops and 0:03:41.600 --> 0:03:45.080 I was like, oh, this is interesting. Every card is 0:03:45.120 --> 0:03:48.000 a pretty somewhat big name that James will probably know, 0:03:48.040 --> 0:03:51.840 maybe have a story about. Are you planting these damn packs? 0:03:52.520 --> 0:03:57.520 Well, I say it's not. It's not the entire pack. 0:03:57.560 --> 0:03:59.360 I get a pack and then look, if I've got 0:03:59.360 --> 0:04:01.320 a UA Black been there, I'm like, I don't know 0:04:01.360 --> 0:04:03.160 if there's too much to go with you a blab, 0:04:03.160 --> 0:04:07.080 I just jeans really doesn't have an awesome It's true, 0:04:07.120 --> 0:04:09.640 It's true that I don't. But I like in basketball 0:04:09.640 --> 0:04:11.320 you have subs on the bench. All I do is 0:04:11.760 --> 0:04:13.240 maybe I just want to sub in this guy and 0:04:13.240 --> 0:04:14.120 stubb out that guy. 0:04:14.720 --> 0:04:17.599 Man, this is worse than finding out Magic Johnson doesn't 0:04:17.680 --> 0:04:22.039 tweet everything. Everything is big. 0:04:22.720 --> 0:04:25.080 Well, it's it's not fake. I mean, they're real stories. 0:04:25.080 --> 0:04:28.039 It's just you know, I just realized, like I was 0:04:28.080 --> 0:04:31.000 talking to I can't. I think it's maybe Xavi McDaniel 0:04:31.040 --> 0:04:33.520 and Donald Hodge came up and I'm like, yeah, we 0:04:33.520 --> 0:04:35.920 don't need Donald Hodge. We don't need Donald Hodge. Let's 0:04:36.160 --> 0:04:37.160 let's find Lee. 0:04:37.320 --> 0:04:41.000 The series isn't called pop and packs removing crappy cards 0:04:41.040 --> 0:04:43.400 putting in better ones from another pack. I popped a 0:04:43.440 --> 0:04:44.320 couple hours earlier. 0:04:44.440 --> 0:04:47.000 I'll be talking about the twelve best players. I know, 0:04:47.680 --> 0:04:48.160 let's go. 0:04:49.560 --> 0:04:51.839 Well, maybe you're making hey, maybe you're making the right decision. 0:04:51.880 --> 0:04:55.840 You're right, it's story times. Story time is what it is. 0:04:55.880 --> 0:04:58.160 It's just sold as popping packs. You know what I'm saying, 0:04:58.360 --> 0:04:59.279 right right, right right? 0:04:59.680 --> 0:05:04.359 Did you did you plant packs for like Cabby and Hallani, 0:05:04.480 --> 0:05:05.720 Ariel Hawani and stuff like that? 0:05:05.960 --> 0:05:08.880 Definitely not Ariel Hawani, No, because we opened two packs 0:05:08.880 --> 0:05:11.480 with you know, yeah, Kabby. 0:05:12.200 --> 0:05:15.440 No, Well because Cabby. The reason I asked is I 0:05:15.480 --> 0:05:18.720 was like, these were easy like Cabby was killing it 0:05:18.880 --> 0:05:20.839 on the hills, he was getting everybody, but I was like, 0:05:20.880 --> 0:05:24.280 he didn't really get a hard player, Like he didn't 0:05:24.279 --> 0:05:25.080 get a nil an remember. 0:05:25.320 --> 0:05:27.400 Yeah, But the thing is as well, I give them 0:05:27.560 --> 0:05:30.560 fairly obvious hints like you know, hey, this guy is 0:05:30.600 --> 0:05:33.000 the current coach of such and such or whatever. I mean, 0:05:33.480 --> 0:05:35.440 you know, I don't. I don't make the hints as 0:05:35.440 --> 0:05:37.320 hard as I do for you guys, because you know 0:05:37.400 --> 0:05:39.320 you tend to you know, we have a bit more time, 0:05:39.320 --> 0:05:40.920 we have a bit more fun with him and these ones. 0:05:40.960 --> 0:05:42.400 I like, I want to get to the player, and 0:05:42.400 --> 0:05:43.839 then I want to get to the story, you know 0:05:43.880 --> 0:05:47.039 what I'm saying. So it's not in the unmasking of 0:05:47.080 --> 0:05:49.279 the player. It's more like, hopefully it's going to jog 0:05:49.320 --> 0:05:51.000 their memory for a great story. 0:05:51.200 --> 0:05:55.039 Okay, fair, Yeah, we are hints. Sorry they have email capabilities. 0:05:55.880 --> 0:05:58.360 Were like, I don't know, I don't know. 0:05:58.400 --> 0:06:01.800 We have a pop and Pack bonus podcast. We just 0:06:01.800 --> 0:06:04.679 talked about popping packs right now for five minutes. Should 0:06:04.720 --> 0:06:06.800 we just release this as behind the scenes of Pop 0:06:06.920 --> 0:06:12.600 Papa Pop so packing the packs, the pack packs. 0:06:13.000 --> 0:06:16.279 This is the this is the stale gum that you 0:06:16.360 --> 0:06:18.640 find in the popin pack. That's what this was right now. 0:06:18.640 --> 0:06:19.960 That will cut the top of your mouth if you 0:06:20.040 --> 0:06:22.680 try eating it twenty years later. All right, so go 0:06:22.760 --> 0:06:24.200 check that out. I can't wait for Nick. And you 0:06:24.240 --> 0:06:26.479 know we're on Facebook at facebook dot com slash no 0:06:26.600 --> 0:06:30.200 Dunk's ink. Well, I guess it's official. We're now on Facebook. 0:06:30.640 --> 0:06:34.440 And some big news here in the Athletic NBA universe. 0:06:35.240 --> 0:06:37.160 There's a new podcast feed, a new show. 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And so even though 0:08:17.120 --> 0:08:18.920 as I said, they're sort of symbolic, I don't think 0:08:18.920 --> 0:08:20.920 they're going to change anything. I think Lebron is doing 0:08:20.960 --> 0:08:23.760 so much more off the floor with getting people to 0:08:23.840 --> 0:08:27.200 vote with more than a vote initiative with his Ohio 0:08:27.280 --> 0:08:31.000 school getting kids to college. Even what the NBPA is 0:08:31.040 --> 0:08:37.200 doing with investigating and researching police departments around the country. 0:08:37.360 --> 0:08:39.720 That's the kind of stuff that's going to change the 0:08:39.760 --> 0:08:41.840 black community. And so a phrase on a jersey I 0:08:41.880 --> 0:08:47.679 don't really think is going to change anything really, except 0:08:47.960 --> 0:08:50.880 if Lebron has it on his jersey. We're talking about 0:08:50.880 --> 0:08:52.679 the biggest player in the NBA here as well, I mean, 0:08:53.000 --> 0:08:56.000 the most famous player in the NBA. I think let's 0:08:56.000 --> 0:08:57.920 say he has it on his jersey in the middle 0:08:57.960 --> 0:09:00.280 of a playoff game and a father and on her 0:09:00.360 --> 0:09:03.680 watching the game, and a kid says, Dad, what does 0:09:03.760 --> 0:09:05.600 what does equality mean? Why does he have that on 0:09:05.640 --> 0:09:09.280 his jersey? And so that sparks the conversation between the 0:09:09.280 --> 0:09:11.800 father and the son, and maybe that leads to the 0:09:11.800 --> 0:09:14.360 father doing a little bit more with his son in 0:09:14.400 --> 0:09:18.280 regards to, you know, educating him or or or that 0:09:18.480 --> 0:09:21.559 like that. If that were the one thing that were 0:09:21.600 --> 0:09:23.839 to come out of Lebron wearing a message on his jersey, 0:09:23.920 --> 0:09:25.839 I think it would be worth it. And maybe this 0:09:25.960 --> 0:09:27.680 is a new audience that sees into the playoffs and 0:09:27.720 --> 0:09:31.360 maybe they don't follow what Lebron does and every moment 0:09:31.440 --> 0:09:35.080 of every second on you know, in a social media world, 0:09:35.200 --> 0:09:37.480 or you know, in his life, as he is definitely 0:09:37.480 --> 0:09:39.560 more than an athlete. I mentioned those initiatives he has, 0:09:40.040 --> 0:09:43.480 but I just don't see the harm in putting a 0:09:43.520 --> 0:09:45.920 phrase on a jersey. I just I just don't see 0:09:45.920 --> 0:09:46.200 why not. 0:09:46.400 --> 0:09:49.280 I actually disagree with this. I think this is Lebron 0:09:49.360 --> 0:09:52.080 playing chess here and not checkers because and I tweeted 0:09:52.120 --> 0:09:54.559 this out intentional or not, and I guess I'm assuming 0:09:54.559 --> 0:09:57.880 it is intentional because it's Lebron. This decision, in a 0:09:57.880 --> 0:10:02.200 weird way, task actually brings more inten two all of 0:10:02.240 --> 0:10:05.040 this to the Black Lives Matter movement. I really truly 0:10:05.120 --> 0:10:07.960 believe that if Lebron does just go with the quality 0:10:07.960 --> 0:10:09.520 on the back of his jersey, I hear what you're saying. 0:10:09.679 --> 0:10:11.520 I like that scenario you're talking about, the son and 0:10:11.520 --> 0:10:13.640 the father. That's true, that could happen, but just as 0:10:13.640 --> 0:10:17.240 equally true as hey dad, Why doesn't Lebron? You know, 0:10:17.679 --> 0:10:19.920 why does everybody else have it? I guess my point 0:10:19.960 --> 0:10:22.000 is there's so many players like I think it's something 0:10:22.080 --> 0:10:24.440 like nearly three hundred of the three hundred and fifty 0:10:24.480 --> 0:10:27.520 eligible players are going to have, you know, a social 0:10:27.679 --> 0:10:31.240 justice message that they were They were given a list 0:10:31.240 --> 0:10:32.839 that they could pick from. We know that it's about 0:10:32.880 --> 0:10:36.679 thirty and Lebron saying I don't want to pick one 0:10:36.679 --> 0:10:39.720 of those. It sounds like he had other things in 0:10:39.720 --> 0:10:41.520 mind that he wished he could have put on and 0:10:41.559 --> 0:10:44.160 when he couldn't, and he didn't like being not consulted 0:10:44.160 --> 0:10:45.800 about it, He's like, you know what, I'm just not 0:10:45.920 --> 0:10:48.760 going to do it. I actually think that brings more attention, 0:10:49.920 --> 0:10:50.920 do you know what I'm saying? 0:10:50.920 --> 0:10:52.880 Though I know you're saying I saw you tweet that, 0:10:52.880 --> 0:10:55.559 and I definitely think right now these last two days 0:10:55.840 --> 0:11:00.160 for sure, because it's now newsworthy and so. But at 0:11:00.160 --> 0:11:03.160 the same time, I don't think we're gonna see those 0:11:03.200 --> 0:11:05.520 phrases on players jerseys all the time. Like if you 0:11:05.559 --> 0:11:08.560 think about a game, you see the name on a 0:11:08.559 --> 0:11:12.680 black of players jerseys, like I don't know, six seven, 0:11:12.760 --> 0:11:14.480 eight times a game, you just don't see it all 0:11:14.480 --> 0:11:17.040 that much. And so I don't think you're gonna even 0:11:17.040 --> 0:11:19.120 have a scenario where you see Lebron running up the 0:11:19.120 --> 0:11:21.280 floor and you just see his back like and a 0:11:21.360 --> 0:11:23.480 kid goes, hey, what's that? I mean? I think. I think, 0:11:23.760 --> 0:11:26.240 because he is the biggest player in the game, if 0:11:26.240 --> 0:11:30.480 he put out an Instagram post with his jersey and 0:11:32.000 --> 0:11:34.920 that would spark more conversation, I think than not. And 0:11:35.120 --> 0:11:36.559 I hear what you're saying for the last couple of days, 0:11:36.600 --> 0:11:39.120 but yeah, three hundred or three hundred fifty people are 0:11:39.120 --> 0:11:41.280 doing it for at least four games. I think we 0:11:41.640 --> 0:11:44.120 have to mention that they don't have to go forward 0:11:44.200 --> 0:11:46.880 with it after those four games. It's this weird thing 0:11:46.880 --> 0:11:48.920 where it's just four games. But I hear what you're saying, 0:11:48.920 --> 0:11:53.839 but I think I really think the floor is more 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:56.880 important because like it's I know we're talking about the 0:11:57.000 --> 0:11:59.199 jerseys a ton, but you just don't see the back 0:11:59.240 --> 0:12:01.040 of jerseys all that. I don't think it's going to 0:12:01.120 --> 0:12:02.920 be a big deal. I think the floor is a 0:12:02.960 --> 0:12:05.000 little bit more important. But I hear what you're saying. 0:12:05.000 --> 0:12:07.760 For now, what do you think, Lee, I'm a little surprised, 0:12:07.800 --> 0:12:09.800 and to be honest, a little disappointed that Lebron isn't 0:12:09.840 --> 0:12:11.840 going to put a name or some sort of phrase 0:12:11.880 --> 0:12:14.680 on his jersey because to me, you know, he says 0:12:14.720 --> 0:12:17.600 he wasn't consulted, But as far as I understood it. 0:12:17.679 --> 0:12:22.520 Then the National Basketball Players Association worked in close contact 0:12:22.559 --> 0:12:25.840 with the NBA on these messages, so I can't believe 0:12:25.880 --> 0:12:29.400 that he wasn't in any way spoken to about what 0:12:29.480 --> 0:12:31.960 the messages were. Chris Paul is the president, that's one 0:12:32.000 --> 0:12:35.000 of his closest friends. I can't imagine Chris Paul didn't say, Hey, Bron, 0:12:35.000 --> 0:12:37.400 what do you think of this? You know that to 0:12:37.480 --> 0:12:40.079 me sounds a little bit strange. And I just feel 0:12:40.120 --> 0:12:45.040 that this is Lebron James. He goes further than just 0:12:45.080 --> 0:12:47.640 the basketball world and even further than just the sports world. 0:12:47.720 --> 0:12:51.280 He is an international celebrity and an icon, and he's 0:12:51.320 --> 0:12:54.480 revered around the world, and I feel this is the 0:12:54.520 --> 0:12:59.080 best chance for him to really just demonstrate how influential 0:12:59.120 --> 0:13:02.320 he is. And I think of those messages. If the 0:13:02.360 --> 0:13:04.880 one wasn't one that he liked, then I'm sure at 0:13:04.920 --> 0:13:07.080 someone of his power and his ability would have been 0:13:07.080 --> 0:13:09.120 able to then get the message that he wanted on 0:13:09.200 --> 0:13:11.880 his jersey. I mean, he again, he's Lebron James. You 0:13:12.000 --> 0:13:15.440 make special conditions for people like him because he has 0:13:15.760 --> 0:13:17.920 the ability to reach so many people and affect so 0:13:17.960 --> 0:13:21.679 many lives. So I would like him to change his 0:13:21.720 --> 0:13:24.800 mind and to put a message on the back, and 0:13:25.080 --> 0:13:27.120 perhaps he will, perhaps he won't. I'm not sure he'd 0:13:27.120 --> 0:13:29.599 he probably I guess has decided at this point that 0:13:29.840 --> 0:13:32.880 he's not going to. But I would have liked to 0:13:32.920 --> 0:13:36.920 have seen him Black lives matter, equality, anything. I can't breathe. 0:13:36.920 --> 0:13:39.720 I mean, but Lebron's saying, like Task was saying at 0:13:39.760 --> 0:13:42.200 the start of this, He's like, this means nothing. Let's 0:13:42.240 --> 0:13:45.160 be honest. Yeah, but I know all Lebron is like, 0:13:45.240 --> 0:13:47.000 my track record speaks for itself. 0:13:47.400 --> 0:13:48.120 I agree with that. 0:13:48.080 --> 0:13:49.800 And Task took us through all the things that he's done. 0:13:50.040 --> 0:13:52.080 You can't tell me. In fact, I would go to 0:13:52.120 --> 0:13:54.920 say that he's been the most vocal athlete right over 0:13:54.960 --> 0:13:59.000 the last decade plus on the matters of race, an injustice, 0:13:59.320 --> 0:14:02.079 and education in minority communities. Like I can't think of 0:14:02.120 --> 0:14:04.400 another athlete that you would he'd be at that least 0:14:04.559 --> 0:14:05.480 at the top of the list. 0:14:05.679 --> 0:14:07.920 Okay, So what does putting a message on his jersey 0:14:08.720 --> 0:14:10.920 detract from? Like? What? 0:14:10.920 --> 0:14:11.280 What? What? 0:14:11.280 --> 0:14:13.920 What's the what's the downside to him putting a message 0:14:13.960 --> 0:14:14.560 on his jersey? 0:14:14.559 --> 0:14:14.719 There? 0:14:14.760 --> 0:14:17.280 Yeah, there's no downside. But again, I actually think he's 0:14:17.320 --> 0:14:19.240 bringing more attention to this we have it as our 0:14:19.280 --> 0:14:21.440 first topic but everywhere. 0:14:21.800 --> 0:14:25.920 But I disagree that he's bringing more more like those 0:14:25.920 --> 0:14:26.280 two much. 0:14:26.560 --> 0:14:28.160 I think you're right scause he has bring more attention 0:14:28.200 --> 0:14:30.960 to it now with those two months, he probably has 0:14:31.000 --> 0:14:33.560 something else planned. You're right, he's calculated. He definitely has 0:14:33.560 --> 0:14:37.440 something else planned in terms of social justice. I imagine 0:14:37.520 --> 0:14:40.120 right like for or he's like, he's already doing it, 0:14:40.360 --> 0:14:42.880 so I would think, but when they're in Orlando, I'm 0:14:42.880 --> 0:14:45.040 sure they're going to be doing he is going to 0:14:45.080 --> 0:14:48.720 be leading something. But I agree it doesn't really detract 0:14:48.760 --> 0:14:50.880 from anything just to have it on his jersey. But 0:14:51.000 --> 0:14:52.320 it just sounds like to me, he wants to be 0:14:52.360 --> 0:14:55.720 different in this instance and he just wants to stand 0:14:55.760 --> 0:14:58.120 out by not putting it on his jersey. 0:14:58.440 --> 0:15:01.440 Yeah, and we we should say he said quote no 0:15:01.640 --> 0:15:04.520 disrespect to the list that was handed out to all 0:15:04.520 --> 0:15:07.560 the players. Okay, I commend anyone that decides to put 0:15:07.600 --> 0:15:09.640 something on the back of their jersey. It's just something 0:15:09.680 --> 0:15:12.680 that didn't really seriously resonate with my mission, with my goal, 0:15:13.560 --> 0:15:17.440 because you know, you see the headline and people start going, oh, well, 0:15:17.520 --> 0:15:19.400 Lebron's too good for this, blah blah, blah, but he 0:15:19.480 --> 0:15:21.440 is just like, this is my personal opinion and I 0:15:21.440 --> 0:15:23.920 didn't want to, but kudos to anybody else that did so. 0:15:24.040 --> 0:15:25.600 And like I said, there's a lot of players that 0:15:25.640 --> 0:15:29.320 are I think there's something like around twenty now that 0:15:29.360 --> 0:15:31.760 are electing just to go with their names instead. And 0:15:31.800 --> 0:15:36.000 Anthony Davis we learned as another one of those players, 0:15:36.120 --> 0:15:38.200 and of course his Lakers teammate, he's just gone with 0:15:38.280 --> 0:15:38.920 Davis as well. 0:15:39.840 --> 0:15:42.280 Yeah, well, well again, I think though you know, two 0:15:42.320 --> 0:15:44.440 of the biggest names, these guys are likely going to 0:15:44.480 --> 0:15:46.080 be playing into the finals, they're going to be on 0:15:46.120 --> 0:15:51.119 the court the most throughout this entire restart. Personally, I'm disappointed. 0:15:51.200 --> 0:15:53.440 I would have rather them have a message on there. 0:15:53.480 --> 0:15:56.160 But again, we'll see how things play out and what 0:15:56.240 --> 0:15:59.760 else Lebron perhaps has in mind for how he's going 0:15:59.760 --> 0:16:02.400 to would dress this situation throughout the playoffs. Maybe you're right, 0:16:02.400 --> 0:16:04.760 maybe maybe he's decided he's going to have some different 0:16:05.480 --> 0:16:08.120 way of showcasing it. But I just feel with the 0:16:08.160 --> 0:16:11.560 games being back there, this is a fantastic opportunity for him, 0:16:11.600 --> 0:16:15.160 the most most recognizable player in the game, you know, 0:16:15.400 --> 0:16:18.520 to get a message out there. But again, I'm not 0:16:18.520 --> 0:16:20.680 not doubting him at all. I think that he's going 0:16:20.720 --> 0:16:23.840 to have something. It's just I'm very surprised anyway. I'm 0:16:23.880 --> 0:16:26.000 very surprised. I think on our show, you know, whenever 0:16:26.000 --> 0:16:27.760 it was a week or two ago, who knows everything 0:16:27.800 --> 0:16:30.520 blends into a single day. I said, I'd be shocked 0:16:30.880 --> 0:16:32.840 if anyone didn't have it. When you have someone like 0:16:32.960 --> 0:16:35.440 Lebron who's the leader of the NBA, He's going to 0:16:35.480 --> 0:16:37.320 have a message and everyone will sort of follow suit. 0:16:37.400 --> 0:16:38.920 So I'm definitely shocked by that. 0:16:39.440 --> 0:16:42.040 Yeah, but he will have something planned. It is Lebron James, 0:16:42.040 --> 0:16:44.000 and like you said, he it's probably the most out 0:16:44.000 --> 0:16:48.800 spoking NBA player the last decade. He will have something planned. 0:16:49.440 --> 0:16:52.800 And I just I just don't think. I don't understand 0:16:52.800 --> 0:16:55.960 why those things have to be exclusive? Why not do both? 0:16:56.360 --> 0:16:58.480 I just I just don't get it. 0:16:58.800 --> 0:17:02.320 I mean, we heard Mike Scott and Jail and Brown 0:17:02.440 --> 0:17:05.119 both say they were a little disappointed with the options 0:17:05.400 --> 0:17:07.399 and that they couldn't pick their own message and that 0:17:07.720 --> 0:17:10.680 it did feel a little corporate y. Maybe Lebron feels 0:17:10.720 --> 0:17:13.840 that way too, I think, And you can't quote me 0:17:13.880 --> 0:17:16.160 on this because I was watching an MLS soccer game 0:17:16.359 --> 0:17:20.360 on Friday night at Lanta. United came back and I 0:17:20.440 --> 0:17:22.920 think they've had the option. And again please don't quote 0:17:22.920 --> 0:17:25.439 me on this, but on their jerseys there's almost like 0:17:25.480 --> 0:17:28.240 a spot. There's like a white bar, you know what 0:17:28.320 --> 0:17:30.920 I mean, like a rectangle where they could put their 0:17:30.920 --> 0:17:33.359 own message on there. I think now that could have 0:17:33.400 --> 0:17:36.240 been printed on there. I thought that was pretty cool. 0:17:36.280 --> 0:17:37.800 It would have been a really neat thing. I think 0:17:37.800 --> 0:17:40.119 the NBA could have done too, if they obviously wanted 0:17:40.119 --> 0:17:41.840 to possibly open up a can of worms. And I 0:17:41.840 --> 0:17:43.600 guess that's why they didn't, but it would have been 0:17:43.640 --> 0:17:45.919 neat if you actually could have legit, you know, written 0:17:45.920 --> 0:17:47.800 whatever you wanted to, whatever message you would like to 0:17:47.800 --> 0:17:50.800 get across on your jersey in a particular spot. But 0:17:50.840 --> 0:17:52.520 maybe now that I say that, I don't know if 0:17:52.520 --> 0:17:54.600 the MLS did that. I saw it though, and it looked. 0:17:54.359 --> 0:17:56.760 Hand written, so maybe it was just But in that sense, 0:17:56.880 --> 0:17:58.720 like open up the can of worms, those are the 0:17:58.800 --> 0:18:01.399 sort of uncomfortab conversations I think we need. 0:18:01.240 --> 0:18:01.800 To have fair. 0:18:01.840 --> 0:18:03.760 You know, if someone's if someone's got a message they 0:18:03.760 --> 0:18:06.159 want to write, let them write it and then and 0:18:06.200 --> 0:18:07.199 then we can talk about it. 0:18:07.480 --> 0:18:09.200 You know, the NBA players already do a lot of 0:18:09.240 --> 0:18:10.560 this stuff. They rid a lot of the stuff on 0:18:10.600 --> 0:18:14.000 their shoes. Yeah, it's obviously tiny on your shoes. Unless 0:18:14.000 --> 0:18:15.720 there's a close up on Getty images and it gets 0:18:15.720 --> 0:18:16.800 tweeted out, you're not really good. 0:18:16.880 --> 0:18:19.320 Well, there's always yeah, someone always takes a photo. They 0:18:19.320 --> 0:18:21.200 always make sure a photo gets taken. But but that 0:18:21.200 --> 0:18:23.439 that's where I that's where I think we need to be, 0:18:23.480 --> 0:18:25.000 at that point where it's like, oh my god, did 0:18:25.000 --> 0:18:28.320 you see what that person wrote? Like, let's let's talk 0:18:28.359 --> 0:18:30.560