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Speaker 1: M hm. We'll go to episode three seventy six. Chris Tomlin.

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Speaker 1: We've done. We've almost in four hundred episodes. That is wild,

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Speaker 1: all right, Chris Tomlin. And I know Chris Tomlin is

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Speaker 1: and my wife was like, wow, I can't believe Chris

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Speaker 1: Tomlin's coming over. But I didn't understand just how massive

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Speaker 1: he was until I started getting into it. What are

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Speaker 1: there only like four artists I've gotten a certain award

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Speaker 1: Tomlin's the other. All over the world. This guy just

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Speaker 1: sells massive arenas. So Chris Tomlin, I just want to

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Speaker 1: get to it because that's such a good time doing

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Speaker 1: this interview. He has over a million followers on Instagram

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Speaker 1: at Chris Tomlin if you want to follow him, I mean, good,

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Speaker 1: good father. How great is our God? Our God got

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Speaker 1: to Grammy nominations recently. But it's just it's just massive

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Speaker 1: what he's been able to do. Christmas Songs of Worship

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Speaker 1: Deluxe is out his Emmanuel Christmas Songs album, and then

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Speaker 1: he's all over touring. Go go see him. That's it.

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Speaker 1: Chris Tomlin now on the Bobby Cast talking to my

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Speaker 1: wife last night, and she usually doesn't care, like she

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Speaker 1: doesn't find that things cool that I find cool, and

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Speaker 1: she and I don't find things cool. She finds cool.

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Speaker 1: I'm married to someone just like yeah, and it's it's great.

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Speaker 1: She challenges me and loves me and and she's only

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Speaker 1: ever really cared about one person that has come over

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Speaker 1: to do this, and it was Ronnie Donne from Brooks

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Speaker 1: I told her you were coming over and she was like,

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Speaker 1: if I could, I'm trying so hard to get over there.

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Speaker 1: I love Chris Tomlin and I was like, wait what

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Speaker 1: she just saw my calendar too. I didn't even really

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Speaker 1: bring it. Ups were conde and I said, I said,

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Speaker 1: what do you know about Chris? And she said what him?

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Speaker 1: She asked me what hymns we say in church? And

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Speaker 1: I said, well, I went to a Mountain Pine Baptist

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Speaker 1: could even go when I went to Pentecost of Church

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Speaker 1: think of that. And she started like rattling. She goes, well,

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Speaker 1: our hymns were, and she started rattling off your songs,

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Speaker 1: she goes, these are the new hymns like that we

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Speaker 1: sing regularly at church. Yes, And so my wife's a

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Speaker 1: massive fancil't me to tell you hello, that's so sweet,

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Speaker 1: I said, what do you know that she's saying everyone

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Speaker 1: a word for word. That's amazing. That's so cool. Man.

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Speaker 1: I thought it was cool too. And so she's just

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Speaker 1: We have a lot of questions for you, man. Okay, well,

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Speaker 1: well far away. Let me just say that's probably the privilege,

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Speaker 1: the greatest privilege of my life, honestly, is when people

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Speaker 1: say we sing your songs in my church, because you know,

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Speaker 1: It's it's not attached to me. And it's like some

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Speaker 1: and I have nothing to do with it. I didn't

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Speaker 1: It was we sing his songs at our church. And

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Speaker 1: many flaws. But it's you you feel like, man, I'll

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Speaker 1: just let so many people down because they look at you.

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Speaker 1: It's like, man, I bet you have a red phone

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Speaker 1: and it's it's it's not that I just haven't had

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Speaker 1: like how did how did this all happen? But yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I being a nice guys, it's

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Speaker 1: it's not being nice? And I could see where that

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Speaker 1: assume people would go, what your body is a temple?

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Speaker 1: then the things change exactly all the time, all the time.

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Speaker 1: and I let people know that on our little on

427
00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:36,080
Speaker 1: our thing, when they get they get a little things

428
00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:38,080
Speaker 1: that hey, you did more than buy a T shirt.

429
00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:41,960
Speaker 1: But this tour is employing people that would know otherwise

430
00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:44,760
Speaker 1: would not be I learned a bit about that, especially

431
00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:47,440
Speaker 1: in Haiti. Went to Haiti. Um my co host on

432
00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:49,159
Speaker 1: my radio show, one of my best friends. She's adopted

433
00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,639
Speaker 1: a couple of children from Haiti and she didn't plan to.

434
00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:57,240
Speaker 1: She was trying to adopt um not locally but domestically,

435
00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:59,680
Speaker 1: thank you Mike, and that felt through a couple of times,

436
00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:01,919
Speaker 1: and so she was on a mission trip in Haiti

437
00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:05,600
Speaker 1: met the kids, not brother and sister, but now they

438
00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,520
Speaker 1: are and they're here, and so she didn't know. But

439
00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:10,560
Speaker 1: I went over there without her knowing because I wanted

440
00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:12,200
Speaker 1: to experience whatever, because I knew they were gonna be

441
00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:13,679
Speaker 1: here and I was gonna be in their life. So

442
00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:15,920
Speaker 1: I snuck a trip to Haiti, and it went over

443
00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:18,080
Speaker 1: and I stayed there and met the kids and did

444
00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:21,439
Speaker 1: the orphanage and and so what I learned though, is

445
00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:24,159
Speaker 1: when we got back and we decided to build and

446
00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:28,560
Speaker 1: fund a bread kitchen in the orphanage for a bit

447
00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:31,480
Speaker 1: of the same reason, and that with this kitchen, and

448
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:33,000
Speaker 1: I always thought it was weird. Let would feel like,

449
00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:34,719
Speaker 1: let's raise money and give it to them. But what

450
00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:37,280
Speaker 1: I learned was, and it's the old you can teach

451
00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:39,440
Speaker 1: a man to fish. What I learned was if we

452
00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:44,840
Speaker 1: built something that they could then work two, maintain, sustain,

453
00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:49,080
Speaker 1: and grow, you're actually teaching somebody to fish and not

454
00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:51,679
Speaker 1: just giving them a fish. And so until recently because hey,

455
00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:53,840
Speaker 1: he's in really bad shape right now, especially she can't

456
00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:55,480
Speaker 1: even take her kids over there now. But yeah, it's

457
00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,000
Speaker 1: it's um that that bread kitchen was doing really well

458
00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:00,760
Speaker 1: and for years and years and years really gave people

459
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:02,840
Speaker 1: a lot of jobs. But I really it took that

460
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:06,920
Speaker 1: to teach me that how it's sometimes it's better not

461
00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:11,280
Speaker 1: to just go, hey, here's everything, and temporarily it'll fix

462
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff. It's hey, here's something, and for

463
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:17,920
Speaker 1: a long time you can work too fixing the foundation.

464
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:20,720
Speaker 1: And I think that's fantastic that that happens there. Yeah,

465
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 1: with what you're doing. Yeah, I thought, what a brilliant thing.

466
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,320
Speaker 1: I mean, it's employing, it's giving people a job, employing people.

467
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:29,399
Speaker 1: And and they were just so ecstatically, like I mean,

468
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:31,639
Speaker 1: we never had we never had a tour that's taken

469
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:33,679
Speaker 1: on this and in this this kind of way, and

470
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:36,439
Speaker 1: so it was it just increased every sales and so

471
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:39,639
Speaker 1: that's cool. Yeah, your dad, you can ask about him.

472
00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:41,560
Speaker 1: So if he's planning in a band, did he have

473
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:44,200
Speaker 1: dreams and maybe they were just dreams or did you

474
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:48,600
Speaker 1: ever try to play music semi professionally? Professionally? He did not.

475
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:52,600
Speaker 1: He was a pharmacist, um, and had the pharmacy. So

476
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 1: in the pharmacy we had the basebook card shop, and

477
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 1: then we had the music. Um, you got a baseball

478
00:23:57,560 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 1: car shop as a kid. Yes, are you kidding me?

479
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,200
Speaker 1: That's the dream. I mean, if you get all this

480
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:05,119
Speaker 1: other stuff we're talking about. We had the knell and

481
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 1: round rookie card. I mean, wow, oh yeah, come on,

482
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 1: we can we can go deep Beckett that you know,

483
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 1: are you what do you mean? Yeah? Of course I know.

484
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:15,120
Speaker 1: I used to scanned that thing for you about Frank

485
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:19,920
Speaker 1: Thomas Rookie was one of my yesie, oh yeah, okay.

486
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 1: So you get a baseball card shop in the farmers,

487
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 1: in the pharmacy, and we go to all the shows,

488
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,600
Speaker 1: his basebook card shop shows and dad would be a dealer,

489
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 1: baseball card sharp dealer, and he had all the he

490
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:31,040
Speaker 1: had the booth. And then because his grandmother found the

491
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:34,920
Speaker 1: baseball car that that that whole thing his his my grandmother.

492
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,360
Speaker 1: His mom one day out of the closet found all

493
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 1: of his old cards when he was a kid, and

494
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 1: it was the Mickey mantles and things like that. And

495
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 1: he's like, oh my gosh. And he had glued them

496
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 1: all to h to pages since they were worthless as

497
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 1: far as like, because they were worth like that car

498
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 1: is worth five thousand dollars and now it's worth five dollars,

499
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 1: you know. And he's just like, oh my goodness. And

500
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:56,280
Speaker 1: so we would do all kinds of things, try to

501
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 1: repair these cards and all the kind of things. So

502
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 1: but he loved the bay. What Carcy had a bable

503
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 1: cart shop and then he had a um music shop

504
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 1: in in the pharmacy as well. So on the side

505
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,400
Speaker 1: of had some guitars, sold some guitars and strings and

506
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 1: all the things, and and yeah, so he taught me

507
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,919
Speaker 1: to play. And who taught him to play? That's a

508
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:17,159
Speaker 1: great question. I think he just taught him. Uh he

509
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,399
Speaker 1: never said his dad anything. I think maybe he just

510
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 1: taught himself. Just was he had interested an interesting person?

511
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 1: Both meaning was he curious enough to just go there's

512
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,640
Speaker 1: somebody playing guitar on the radio. I think I'll try

513
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 1: to figure that out. Yeah, Um, I guess so because

514
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 1: he had he had this band in high school and

515
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 1: they played the they played all the little prom dances

516
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 1: around the East Texas and they were pretty good. I've

517
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:44,880
Speaker 1: heard some little tapes. They were pretty good little band,

518
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,680
Speaker 1: and they were just covering all the stones and everybody.

519
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, I guess I guess he just

520
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 1: was interested enough. But I'm so glad that he put

521
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,719
Speaker 1: it in my hand. I got mono when I was

522
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:58,119
Speaker 1: a night fourth grade and couldn't over the summer, and

523
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 1: all I cared about was baseball and and I couldn't

524
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,920
Speaker 1: play and the doctors. You gotta be in the house

525
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,159
Speaker 1: all summer, And my dad came home one day It's like,

526
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 1: do you want what do you want to learn? Do

527
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 1: you want to you gotta do something? You're in here?

528
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 1: You want to? Said you wanna learn the guitar or

529
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,440
Speaker 1: the fiddle? And I'm so funny that because I look back,

530
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 1: he doesn't know the fiddle. I was like, what if

531
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:20,119
Speaker 1: I had said the fiddle, because that was not gonna

532
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:23,120
Speaker 1: work out, But he said guitar. And so each day,

533
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:24,879
Speaker 1: you know, he would just write out I get it.

534
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 1: In the morning, he brought out the six strings and

535
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 1: put the notes on. He just write out the notes

536
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,399
Speaker 1: on the frets and I would uh work on that

537
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 1: while he did work. And then next morning he writes

538
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,120
Speaker 1: another six strings, and what do you have you play

539
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:39,880
Speaker 1: it for him? And yeah, to write the next one's

540
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 1: down when you make sure, okay play that for me

541
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 1: what you learned today? And then okay, here's now, here's

542
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 1: some chords and I would put them on the six strings.

543
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,120
Speaker 1: That would Were you interested enough to keep practicing? You know?

544
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,199
Speaker 1: I was? I was, But he had to push me

545
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 1: a lot because I was really into sports and I

546
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 1: just wanted to do that, and um but I would

547
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 1: just I would. I was not interested enough to get

548
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,360
Speaker 1: really good. I was interest enough, just kind of play

549
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 1: along and learn the chords. But he just kept pushing

550
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 1: me and pushing me to keep playing and playing. And

551
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:07,879
Speaker 1: then I picked up piano and I just taught myself

552
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:09,399
Speaker 1: after I had a piano in the house and I

553
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 1: was like, I like this, you know it's go. Do

554
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 1: you like the piano better than the guitar? Yeah, because

555
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,160
Speaker 1: I can see it. I don't know why I can't

556
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,120
Speaker 1: the guitar. I still can't see it. I know where,

557
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 1: I know where my hands go, but when I see

558
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:23,880
Speaker 1: the piano, I can it just I can just that's

559
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 1: where most of the songs come because I can just

560
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 1: see it. I just looked down and it's like, okay,

561
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:30,159
Speaker 1: it just looks like the melodies just come out of

562
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 1: the piano for some reason. Do you feel like you

563
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 1: were drawn to play, and not just play, but play

564
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:39,359
Speaker 1: and love performing in church because your dad loved to

565
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 1: be at church, and in a way it was um

566
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 1: that relationship with your dad was so important and if

567
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 1: you made him proud of you, maybe playing at church

568
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,120
Speaker 1: was for him and for you at the same time.

569
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:56,440
Speaker 1: That's a good question. I honestly I can Since I

570
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 1: was really young, I just felt like I've had this

571
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 1: real sensitive heart to God. And I don't even know

572
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 1: how to explain it. Uh, it's just I would just

573
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 1: be I'd just be so moved by. Even as a kid,

574
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 1: if things that all my friends saw were dumb or

575
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,880
Speaker 1: just like this is boring, I would just be drawn too.

576
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 1: Because your your mom and dad they were they together. Yeah,

577
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 1: there's a gather still together. Okay, they're both still alive.

578
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 1: Was your mom extremely devout? No? I mean, yeah, they're

579
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 1: both they were, but extremely to the point where they

580
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 1: thought maybe their son would have a career in some

581
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,639
Speaker 1: kind of ministry. No chance. No one in my family.

582
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 1: There's no one in my family in it. And that

583
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 1: my grandmother AlSi says, just be a doctor. I was

584
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:42,959
Speaker 1: going to school to be a doctor. And she's like,

585
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 1: that's what you're gonna do, and um and something like that.

586
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 1: And so no one in my family is But but

587
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 1: they but they were um. But they were strong believers

588
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 1: and they were like the but but not never thinking

589
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,239
Speaker 1: ministry anything like that. You know, it's weird that a

590
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 1: lot of artists will come in, especially country music, and

591
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 1: they will grow up in the church and go to country.

592
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 1: It feels like you grew up on country and went

593
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 1: into church. It's like the exact opposite of exact everybody

594
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 1: else exact opposite. So I made this record. I don't

595
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 1: know if you Christalan and friends. It was a record

596
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 1: with the all the country, with Thomas and ft O

597
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 1: and all the guys. And that was the funny thing

598
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 1: for me because they were taught. They guys were calling

599
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 1: me how much um. The whole thing. It was all

600
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 1: about the church for them going up and it's like

601
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 1: the man, we'd love this record with you because it

602
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 1: would give us a chance to like just put all

603
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 1: that music out that we really want to put out

604
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 1: and say some things we want to say. It's like awesome.

605
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 1: And for me it was country to this, so it

606
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 1: was it was the exact opposite, right, exactly what you're saying.

607
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 1: My grandmother raised me for a significant part of my life,

608
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 1: and I've talked about the music that I thought was

609
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 1: contemporary music until I was old enough to experience and

610
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 1: discovery contemporary music, and it was Andy Griffith's gospel records,

611
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,080
Speaker 1: and I thought that was just the normal stuff. H

612
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 1: Charles gospel record, Ray Charles, even modern sounds of country music.

613
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 1: But all that to me, Johnny Cash gospel before Johnny

614
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 1: Cash country, but that was that was the stuff that

615
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 1: she had, and so I grew up on that and

616
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 1: feeling that that was normal as normal as in could

617
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 1: just contemporary round. Let everybody listened to that. And I

618
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 1: would say that we'd talked. I remember being a kid

619
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 1: at school and they were like, who, who's Andy Griffith,

620
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 1: the same guy in the black and white show that

621
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 1: comes on? And I was like, hey, he's also like

622
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 1: a singer, right, But I probably my earliest was gospel

623
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 1: music before I got before I was like ten or eleven,

624
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 1: it's really find it. What was your nine, ten eleven

625
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 1: year old music influence? And did your parents have gospel

626
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 1: music in the house or again, like you said, your

627
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 1: dad was big into it. Was it was it was

628
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 1: the Outlaws that was the music in the house. And

629
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 1: it was always Willie Nelson was all day and Merle

630
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 1: Haggard and and I loved Alabama, so that may so

631
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 1: I became my band for you know, and I just

632
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 1: really loved them, and this I remember um just that

633
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 1: Dad and I would go to the record store and

634
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 1: that's what I would buy. And and so for me

635
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 1: that those early days was with those with those guys.

636
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 1: And then it was the songs of church, and it

637
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 1: was just the kind of the hymns and the church hymns.

638
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 1: And then UM, as I got a little bit older

639
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 1: than I heard this, I started hearing the Christian music.

640
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 1: This um remembers band Petra. Were they guitar? Like? Uh?

641
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 1: Petro was like guitar, electric guitar. Yeah, yeah, rock kind

642
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 1: of a rock thing. And I was like, And when

643
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 1: I got to junior high, that's the so my hand

644
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 1: me like that and I was like, oh my gosh.

645
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 1: I did not know. Oh, I just kind of heard

646
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 1: the songs in church. I did not know you could

647
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 1: do this and that. I was like, Wow, what is this?

648
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 1: And I thought that was so cool? And then progress,

649
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 1: But yeah, those early days was the Eagles and in

650
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 1: the country, when you start to play I'm gonna say shows,

651
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 1: but I use that loosely. When you start to play

652
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 1: outside of church, did you ever do that, let's let's

653
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 1: play this little venue or this bar or this just

654
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 1: looking for anywhere to play or was it you really

655
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 1: started in church and it grew from church. Yeah, it

656
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 1: grew from Uh, it grew from church. And I'll tell

657
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 1: you this. I'll tell you how to start. You're gonna

658
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 1: love this story. And and if I go along, just

659
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 1: cut me off because I can get going on this story.

660
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 1: I want you to just go on the story because

661
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 1: we have long Okay, That's why I want to interview

662
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 1: you here, because I wanted all I want it all.

663
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 1: This is, this is crazy. So there was a guy

664
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 1: on my church. I grew up in this little against,

665
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 1: this small church and this small town there was when

666
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: I say, a small town people towns called Grand Selene.

667
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 1: It's got the salt all it has the salt mine

668
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 1: Morton saw the little girl with the You live where

669
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 1: Morton Salt. That's where it is. So the umbrella when

670
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 1: when it rains it poor. Is that you've seen Morton Salt.

671
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 1: And we had the Salt Festival of the Salt Queen,

672
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 1: the Salt Rodeo, and went all on the salt. I see.

673
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 1: Everything was about the salt. And Grand Selene means great salt.

674
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 1: So there you go. And uh so that's it's right

675
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 1: outside of Tyler, Texas, and that where I grew up.

676
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 1: And so there is a guy in my church who

677
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 1: played music and at to other places. And we go

678
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 1: and play in other churches and play music, and like

679
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 1: he was like this roaming music guy. And I thought

680
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 1: he was the coolest guy by my dad's age, and thought, man,

681
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 1: what he was funny and he was just really great

682
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 1: with people, and he was kind of a one man show,

683
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:21,719
Speaker 1: and I just thought he was the coolest thing. Well,

684
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 1: one day, I'm I'm in high school. I think I

685
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 1: was a junior. Maybe it's your senior high school and

686
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 1: I've only played at my church. I only played it.

687
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 1: And he comes by the house. He goes, Chris, I'm

688
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: playing in Texacana then, but it will be about three

689
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 1: hour drive because I already asked your dad, I'm becoming

690
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 1: by the house, will you come with? You want to

691
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 1: driving me today and you will help set up my

692
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 1: stuff and you want to sell all the tapes and

693
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: CDs in the back. I'm I'm junior in high school.

694
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 1: And I was like, are you kidding me? This is

695
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 1: the most amazing thing. Yes, I am in So I'm

696
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 1: a three hour drive with this guy. We set up

697
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 1: I helped him set up his stuff. It's it's a

698
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 1: youth he's playing a youth concerts. Like five kids there

699
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 1: at this kind of a youth event. He's playing, he's

700
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 1: playing his guitar, and he's just playing some songs, fun

701
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 1: songs and youth kind of youth group songs. And he's

702
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 1: got his and I'm in the back. I've got his

703
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 1: tapes and his CDs and in the back and uh.

704
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,399
Speaker 1: He stops in the middle of the concert and he says,

705
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,439
Speaker 1: my buddy Chris came with me tonight and I brought him.

706
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 1: He's from my town. He's in the youth group and

707
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 1: back home where I am, and he's gonna come up

708
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 1: and play for you guys for a little while. And

709
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 1: I was you had no idea. He never, he never.

710
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 1: We had three hours and it was up the plan

711
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 1: the whole time. I asked him later and he said yes.

712
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 1: I asked him years after that, because that's this propelled

713
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 1: it all, this started it all. I was in the

714
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 1: back of this place, standing there, and I'm thinking, you

715
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 1: had three hours in the car, you don't say a word,

716
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 1: and had no time to prepare. I don't even know.

717
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:48,360
Speaker 1: I don't know how to play. And he just walks

718
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 1: off the stage and there in the stage's just there

719
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 1: and and all the kids are looking back at me,

720
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 1: and they're all my age and I walk up there

721
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 1: and I'm just scared to death and I played a

722
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: song and think it was I don't even know what

723
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 1: it was remember, but it was awful. I just know

724
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 1: I was just keep me off the stage. I go

725
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 1: up in the back and I go back to the

726
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 1: tapes and he comes back up and finishes, and they're

727
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 1: they're applauding. This youth pastor comes up and goes, Man,

728
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 1: I really love that you want to come play at

729
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 1: my church? And I was like, really, I thought, what

730
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 1: whatman's music be? Like, Hey, your church if you if

731
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 1: that's what you want. So he's like, yeah, come on,

732
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 1: and I said, he said, we're gonna do this summer event.

733
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 1: We're doing this summer wide week and it's for a week,

734
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 1: this summer inf our youth group. Would you come be

735
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 1: the music musician for it. I was like yeah. And

736
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: I hadn't really thought this through because I was like, oh,

737
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 1: I got home. I was like, I just said, yes,

738
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 1: it's something. And it's a four week and it's like

739
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 1: every night I'm playing music. I don't know this me

740
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: songs I don't know. I don't know, only like three

741
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 1: or four songs. What am I gonna do. I get

742
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 1: a call two and it's two weeks before, um, I'm

743
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:56,360
Speaker 1: sorry about a month before this event. And get to

744
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,760
Speaker 1: call this guy's a deep voice. His name is James

745
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 1: because a j I said, Hella, jameson goes, um, my

746
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:04,359
Speaker 1: name is James. Is this Chris? I was like yeah,

747
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 1: he said, And he said, I'm calling you because I'm

748
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 1: speaking at this youth event and I don't. I've never

749
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 1: heard of you. And I just want to know if

750
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 1: I if I, if they're gonna be there for the week.

751
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 1: I want to know what kind of music you do?

752
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 1: And I was like, and who who you are? And

753
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 1: I was like, well, James, the reason you've never heard

754
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 1: of me, it's because I've never done this before. Yes,

755
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 1: And you're calling me in my parents house. I live

756
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: in my parents I'm in high school. And he's just

757
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: like and you did the long pause on the phone.

758
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:32,359
Speaker 1: He's like, um, well, what kind of songs do you play?

759
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 1: And I said, well, James, and know like three songs

760
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 1: and and he's like that's all you know? And I

761
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 1: was like yeah, he goes, what can I send you

762
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 1: some music? This was just this is divine man, probably

763
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 1: this is looking back. I mean I've never had this

764
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 1: conversation again. No one's ever sent me music again. The

765
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:48,720
Speaker 1: first thing or did because let me send you some music.

766
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 1: I was like, okay to learn. So he sends me

767
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 1: these these tapes and see these and it's these songs

768
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 1: and it's these all these early choruses and of that

769
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 1: we're happening to make in its way around the church.

770
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, these are so cool. There

771
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 1: were more youth group kind of songs. And so what

772
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 1: I did is I brought note cards I made. I

773
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,720
Speaker 1: wrote every song down I learned on these old tapes,

774
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 1: and I wrote all the lyrics on the note cards.

775
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 1: I wrote the chords above them. And I came with

776
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 1: my I had. I had a guitar and I had

777
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 1: a little keyboard and had a drum machine. And it

778
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:22,840
Speaker 1: was me for this youth thing. And I walked on

779
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: stage and I put all the note cards down on

780
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: the stage like in the order that I would do

781
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 1: the songs each night. I would get there early before

782
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 1: the kids. There was like five hundred kids there, which

783
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 1: was like for me, was ten times bigger than my

784
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 1: high school. And so it's like I would get there earlier,

785
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 1: so they wouldn't see my cheat sheets down there, and

786
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 1: I would play the song. I walked up. I was

787
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 1: scared to death to look at anybody scared at the said.

788
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 1: I didn't even say hello. I just walked up and

789
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 1: I played the first song and then I was stopping.

790
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 1: I grabbed my mic stand. I would take it down

791
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 1: to the next note, shifted over the next on the ground,

792
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 1: and I would just take it down to the next note.

793
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,800
Speaker 1: Card be like, what is he doing? Why? Everything? So

794
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:01,839
Speaker 1: I was thinking about, like what that must have looked

795
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 1: like for kids. It's like, wow, he starts every now

796
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 1: and that side and he ends up at this side.

797
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 1: He just to kind of moves his way down the stage.

798
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 1: And that's why I did not obviously didn't know what

799
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 1: he was doing. End of that week, I tell that

800
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 1: story to say, at the end of that week, this

801
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:15,959
Speaker 1: guy named James. He comes to me and he says

802
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 1: two things, man and he and he would kind of

803
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 1: help me through the week and say, hey, man, you

804
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 1: we might want to like say hello to people. You

805
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 1: might want to welcome him me. You might want to like,

806
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 1: you know, just say hey, he sings with me or something.

807
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 1: And so, but every week he was very encouraging. But

808
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 1: at the end of the week, he's had two things

809
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:35,399
Speaker 1: I wanna tell you. One is, you have no idea

810
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,360
Speaker 1: what you're doing. And I was I never forget it

811
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,399
Speaker 1: was that direct, because you have no idea what you're doing.

812
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 1: And he said, secondly, because you have no idea how

813
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 1: God's going to use your songs all over the world.

814
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: And I was just staring at him, dumbfounded, and I

815
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: don't know what's talnging about because I don't have any

816
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 1: songs and it's no cards other people other people songs.

817
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 1: He goes, Man, I'm as I'm in praying for you

818
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:03,800
Speaker 1: this week. I just had a sense that you're gonna

819
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 1: write songs and the world's gonna sing these songs. And

820
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 1: then he just did something that was crazy, that was

821
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 1: not Baptist at all. He just put his hand on

822
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 1: the standing at me, just staring at me, just like

823
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 1: I'm staring at you, and just put his hand on

824
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 1: my head and he's and he just there was no

825
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 1: head bowed. I was closed. He said, God, would you

826
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 1: make Chris a psalm writer, not a song but a

827
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 1: psalm writer for his generation? And man, it was like

828
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 1: lightning went through me. I was just like what is

829
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: going on? And that began this journey and he said, man,

830
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go speak at things and I'm going to

831
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 1: do some you know, I'm gonna speak and do it.

832
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 1: And whenever I go speak and have you can play

833
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 1: with me, come play. And that started this this whole

834
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 1: journey of like I just now, I was just graduating

835
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 1: high school and I was like, wow, all these these

836
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 1: opportunities started to coming to play music and I started,

837
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 1: so I started to write, write songs, write these simple songs,

838
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:02,399
Speaker 1: like I was saying, I wonder to write songs people

839
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:06,280
Speaker 1: would sing, And so I started writing these songs. Fast

840
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 1: forward twenty five years and James calls me one day

841
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 1: and he said, hey, man, Um, he's been in he'd

842
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,319
Speaker 1: been in Oklahoma and he'd been doing some He's been

843
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:21,439
Speaker 1: like a pastor there and doing something like ministry there.

844
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 1: He's like, I just feel like I need to be

845
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 1: I feelt for some reason, I just sever real since

846
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 1: that I need to be um in politics and government.

847
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:30,839
Speaker 1: And I'm just gonna ask if you'd pay it back.

848
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 1: And I was like, what do you mean. He goes

849
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 1: he said, man, I'm around a campaign for Congress for Oklahoma,

850
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 1: and would you come and campaign with me? Which could

851
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,360
Speaker 1: you get a crowd at all these different little towns

852
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: and and uh and then and and I'll share a

853
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 1: division for Oklahoma. And I was like okay, and I said, absolutely, man,

854
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 1: you did so much for me for absolutely, so we

855
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 1: did that lo and behold he wins the election, becomes

856
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 1: us congressman in Oklahoma. And I was like, awesome, when

857
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 1: did the top this part? This was this was like

858
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 1: six years ago, six seven years ago, that recent. Yeah,

859
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 1: so you're gonna love this. So I'm he's a he's

860
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 1: a congressman. Turned on CNN one day and there he

861
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 1: is with Wolf Blitzer and I'm looking and says and

862
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 1: it says Senator James Langford. And I was like Senator

863
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 1: James Lankford. And I was like I could texted. I

864
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 1: was like, dude, you were congressman. How are you a senator?

865
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 1: He goes, well, the senates he came open within two

866
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 1: years and I and I it had been two years

867
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 1: since I talked to him. He goes, and I ran

868
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 1: for that and I'm a senator. And he said at

869
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 1: that time he was sitting on the fore and he

870
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,280
Speaker 1: was dealing with isis is when iis was going crazy

871
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 1: and he was dealing with that. And then now he

872
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:47,800
Speaker 1: sits on the on our Finance Committee for the United States,

873
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 1: and um, he is. And so he had a few

874
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 1: years ago he was elected. He was every year a

875
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:58,360
Speaker 1: Republican and Democrat do do the National Prayer Breakfast together.

876
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 1: And he was person who chaired the National Prayer Breakfast.

877
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,320
Speaker 1: So he called me and he said, why don't you

878
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 1: do this with me? This story is wild? So he

879
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 1: called me, and here is me and James. I get

880
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 1: choked up every time standing there in front of I

881
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 1: don't know, three thousand world leaders. I mean, it's all

882
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 1: the world, and it's it's Jews, Muslim, it's all kinds

883
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: of faith. Come. It's mostly a Christian thing, but it's

884
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 1: they it's all kind of faith as well. And they've

885
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 1: got overflow seating and they got everything, and you know,

886
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:33,840
Speaker 1: and the president's there and the vice president and and

887
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:36,720
Speaker 1: there's it's me and James, the president and vice president

888
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: at the table and and um and Senator Coon's um

889
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 1: from the um was it was James partner in it.

890
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:48,879
Speaker 1: And so the president vice president are there? Yes, which

891
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:52,760
Speaker 1: President Vice President Trump and Pence. Just everybody's just there. Yes,

892
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: And sitting in front of me is Nancy Pelosi and

893
00:42:56,280 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 1: um and uh bar the Secretary State bar At that time,

894
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 1: we're turning Attorney General Barbs Pompeo. These people are all

895
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 1: like fiction ultimate because they're so famous. Yeah, I'm sitting

896
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 1: next to the Donald and uh, I'm just like what

897
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 1: what what? What? What's going on? And I'm like, what's

898
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 1: going on? And James is leading this thing and I

899
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 1: am playing and I'm thinking to myself the whole time.

900
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 1: They people know my music as Chris Tomwin. They have

901
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: no idea that this guy James next to me. I

902
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 1: was seventeen years old, you know. And he said, you're

903
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 1: gonna write songs and the whole world is gonna sing them.

904
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 1: And now we're kind of in front of the world,

905
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 1: be together as far as leaders, world leaders. And it

906
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 1: was the most full circle thing that I just I'll

907
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 1: never forget it. I just stood there. It's like I

908
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 1: would have never dreamed this. Lord, you just like, how

909
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: has this happen? You know? This is this is this

910
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 1: was crazy and it was just a beautiful, beautiful moment.

911
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,360
Speaker 1: And so yeah, that's a that's kind of the story

912
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 1: of where it came. So there was never any other

913
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 1: trajectory of like I gonna go do other things. It

914
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: was just it started with that one little moment of

915
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 1: playing out from the guy in my church saying get

916
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 1: up there and play to that youth. Pastor saying being there,

917
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:19,919
Speaker 1: just first, just being there, being there, these pastors just saying,

918
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 1: what you play on my trip My thing advised this

919
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 1: guy named James to speaker James, like, you have no

920
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 1: doubt you're doing. Here's some songs to learn too. You're

921
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 1: gonna write songs that people gonna sing them to, somebody

922
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:32,839
Speaker 1: believing you, everybody. You know, it's that moment where people

923
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:34,799
Speaker 1: somebody believes in you, right, and they look at you

924
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 1: and go they see something you don't see because I

925
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 1: had no idea. I had no idea I had any

926
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 1: of that in me. But he' said, man, I see

927
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 1: this in you, and you're gonna do something great. And

928
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 1: I was like, what are you talking about? And it

929
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 1: started this and it started his journey that that here

930
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:50,319
Speaker 1: and I'm here and I'm sitting with you and it's

931
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 1: just crazy. Well, I guess I think the journey. You're

932
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 1: losing steam if you're with me. It was like, look

933
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 1: at all the great stuff I've done, and now I'm

934
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 1: here with you. Something going down. If you're not saying

935
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 1: that down, you don't even did quite amazing thing that

936
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 1: is that is a really great story. The guy that's like, yeah,

937
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 1: hey bro, uh yeah, he's the guy that helped you.

938
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:11,800
Speaker 1: And it's now a senator, senator, Yes, that one of

939
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 1: the hundreds that. Yeah, that's a gread. I'm glad you

940
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 1: told the whole story. Yeah, I wouldn't plan on doing that,

941
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 1: but yeah, it's it's crazy to think about your parents

942
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 1: as they watch you do this. What what do they say?

943
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 1: And how long? How long do they go from we

944
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 1: can't believe it too. We're just so proud and you

945
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 1: continue to impress because there's a difference in that what

946
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 1: what what's been that relationship? Yeah, it's been amazing. My

947
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:49,720
Speaker 1: little town, you know, has the they have the street

948
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 1: they named main street, um, Chris Tallen Boulevard. Uh in

949
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 1: my little big town and has the billboard and you

950
00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 1: know you don't have to buy about speeding and so

951
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 1: my parents are very and I know that my parents

952
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 1: are behind all that. Let's that's why I'm trying to

953
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 1: say that's what, that's why it happened. And they're so

954
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 1: they're so proud and they're so and there's not a

955
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 1: lot going on in my town, so this is a

956
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:12,880
Speaker 1: big deal and it's funny. So just down the street

957
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 1: from me, fifteen twelve miles on the street is Lyndall

958
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 1: and it's got the Miranda Lambert Um thing and then

959
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:21,919
Speaker 1: gold Albert Golden is right there with the Casey most

960
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 1: Graves thing, and then it's all these little talents right

961
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 1: there have all these singers from them, but which is fun.

962
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 1: But they are, yeah, they they're they're so proud and

963
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 1: so grateful, and they're always they're they're always in shock.

964
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 1: I mean just this recent was just nominated for a

965
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 1: couple of Grammys this year, and that my mom is

966
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 1: just like, I can't I just she says, I still

967
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 1: cannot believe that's cool. I still cannot believe this is

968
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 1: my son. You know, if you got to take them

969
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 1: to do anything that you were super proud to be

970
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 1: able to take them to do, because you're like, because

971
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 1: I when I when I take my sister somewhere, or

972
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 1: because I don't A lot of my family is not

973
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 1: alive anymore. But if if I get to take one

974
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 1: of my friends from back home, I'm my friends now

975
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:05,360
Speaker 1: and I'm like, hey, I'm gonna go do this and

976
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:08,399
Speaker 1: we're gonna go on a private plane and stuff I've

977
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 1: never got to do in a million years. But now

978
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:12,800
Speaker 1: that I'm able to have some success, I got to

979
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:14,399
Speaker 1: do cool things. The best thing about it is taking

980
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:16,319
Speaker 1: the people that have always been there with you to

981
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 1: do these cool things. Yes, do you have you get

982
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 1: to do that with your parents at all? Yes? Um.

983
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 1: I've taken my mom to UM uh to several things. Secondment,

984
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 1: taking them to UM the Gospel Music Awards and I

985
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 1: has got to be Artists of the Year and that

986
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 1: kind of thing, and they're just like amazing. I took

987
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:39,239
Speaker 1: my dad to his dad Let's baseball, so I was

988
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:42,839
Speaker 1: doing there. This was years ago. Cardinals UM had a

989
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 1: uh family not or something. I did the concert after

990
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 1: the Cardinals game, and to be so cool. I think

991
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 1: my dad He's just like this is just crazy. That

992
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:52,879
Speaker 1: be so cool for him. Yeah, yeah, my step dad.

993
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 1: It was a huge I'm a huge Cups fan as well,

994
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 1: big sports. Just massive in sports too, And you know,

995
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:01,880
Speaker 1: I can grow. We would have any money at all,

996
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 1: and so he had never even been to a Cubs game.

997
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 1: And so when I started, when I started doing okay

998
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 1: and I loved in Austin, really formed a lout of

999
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 1: my career in Austin, and I was like, hey, had

1000
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 1: a little money is I'm gonna fly you Chicago. I'll

1001
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:12,800
Speaker 1: meet you go to Cubs game. First time went to

1002
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 1: a game and smash cut. Like seven years later, I

1003
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 1: was throwing out the first pitch and I took when

1004
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 1: we went on the field, and he was like, this

1005
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 1: is the greatest thing in my life. And that to

1006
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 1: me was cooler than throwing out the first pitch was

1007
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 1: being with him when he was like, I cannot believe

1008
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 1: him on the field at Wrigley Field. This is the

1009
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 1: coolest day. That was what it was all about. Yeah,

1010
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 1: that's it. That's it. And it's so exciting that your

1011
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 1: parents are. They've gotten to do a lot of things

1012
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 1: with me and share a lot of moments. Obviously every

1013
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:39,760
Speaker 1: time I play in Texas there there um what about

1014
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 1: your wife and that if you are in the Christian space,

1015
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 1: how do you do date? Because unless she how does

1016
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 1: she meet you? I guess that's gonna start. That's a

1017
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 1: good that's a good way to start it. Yeah, great question,

1018
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:57,760
Speaker 1: because she was I. I was got married later in life,

1019
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 1: and I could not figure that part of my life

1020
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:03,879
Speaker 1: out for a long time. Old. Okay, I'm ready at forty.

1021
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 1: Just got ready for the first time year. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1022
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 1: So we're very similar. So it was I'd lived in

1023
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 1: Texas my whole life. I live in Austin for good,

1024
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 1: good bit and I was living in Austin, and then

1025
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 1: I I went to Atlanta, moved to Atlanta to help

1026
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 1: plant this church there from this for this college ministry

1027
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 1: I was doing. It turned into a church called Passion,

1028
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:30,800
Speaker 1: And um, I was playing this church there and my

1029
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 1: second week there, I'll even do like two people in Atlanta.

1030
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:36,279
Speaker 1: In a second week there, my buddy said, hey, I

1031
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 1: let me introduce this girl. And that's how it was.

1032
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 1: He because it was a blind date. He said, Um,

1033
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 1: I said, well, I'm going to I'm traveling this week.

1034
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 1: I want to come back. Let's put together. We went

1035
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:47,360
Speaker 1: on blind day, like the four of us, him and

1036
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 1: his girlfriend, and you know, and she loved I wish

1037
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:52,360
Speaker 1: she was here because she would just dog me the

1038
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 1: whole time. But um, she just destroyed me. She said,

1039
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:57,399
Speaker 1: didn't look at her the whole day, the whole first day,

1040
00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 1: didn't say a word to her, which is pretty much true.

1041
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 1: Was pretty intimidated and pretty shy, and somehow God worked

1042
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:08,839
Speaker 1: it out. We lost it, lost it all. She said.

1043
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 1: You know, I wasn't I was pretty much a normal guy.

1044
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 1: Couldn't commit. She was like, all right, I'm out of here.

1045
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:16,839
Speaker 1: And when I finally figured it out, she was about

1046
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 1: to engage to another person, and all the things and

1047
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:21,959
Speaker 1: that fell apart and it was just a crazy story.

1048
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:24,839
Speaker 1: But here we are, and but it was a friend

1049
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 1: set me up. And you're right, because it is. It

1050
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 1: is a weird thing the whole. I mean, you're if

1051
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 1: you're again, you can be a Christian or you can

1052
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 1: be someone who is known as a significant person in

1053
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:40,839
Speaker 1: the Christian marketplace. And if that's the case, they were like, yeah,

1054
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:43,279
Speaker 1: this is Chris Tomlin. He's you know from I'd be like, oh,

1055
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 1: you probably don't hold hands like the tenth of days,

1056
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:50,320
Speaker 1: so I would wonder a day or are you just

1057
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 1: kind of normal, very normal man, very normal and just yeah,

1058
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 1: I was all over the place with with girls and

1059
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 1: yeah it was it wasn't like that, but yeah, there

1060
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 1: is an expectation I think there, of course. And but

1061
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 1: she was she was great because she didn't really know

1062
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 1: my songs. She was she was Christian and grew up

1063
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:12,880
Speaker 1: and her dad was in ministry and all the kind

1064
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 1: of things. But they were they just she wasn't like

1065
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 1: tuned into it was the whole thing. She knew the song.

1066
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:19,400
Speaker 1: She had no idea for me. So there was a

1067
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 1: couple of songs as we got you know, after we

1068
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 1: got married, she would be like, oh, you wrote that song.

1069
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 1: It was always like, oh my gosh, I used to

1070
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:30,400
Speaker 1: love that song. That's yours. It was that kind of thing.

1071
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 1: It was a lot of that. So that was so

1072
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 1: I knew it wasn't. I knew I've found somebody because

1073
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:38,239
Speaker 1: she walked away from me, you know, and I knew

1074
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:41,360
Speaker 1: I found somebody. It wasn't in it for um what

1075
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 1: that what that life could give her or anything like that.

1076
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 1: You know, she was she was in it for me

1077
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:49,359
Speaker 1: and I wasn't in And that's been that's been so true,

1078
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:54,719
Speaker 1: and I've been so blessed so a songwriter. Being a

1079
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 1: songwriter in this town. One of the struggles not me,

1080
00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 1: I mean I do, but it's comedy stuff. But one

1081
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:00,360
Speaker 1: of the struggles a lot of my friend to is

1082
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 1: trying to find concepts that are slightly different than every

1083
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 1: other concept that's been conceptualized over and over again, because

1084
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 1: it's all basically the same. But you've got to find

1085
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:16,719
Speaker 1: a one percent difference to do a new song about it.

1086
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:20,320
Speaker 1: I would have. My assumption is you deal with that

1087
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:23,839
Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, I mean, you're writing about the one thing, right,

1088
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 1: and that that is um bringing people to God. And

1089
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:33,719
Speaker 1: for me, it really comes down to this. When I

1090
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 1: think about songs, it is helping people. I've always thought

1091
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 1: worship is helping people see one of this sing Worship

1092
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 1: is not about singing, it's about seeing. It's about your

1093
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 1: eyes seeing. And what I mean by that is, so

1094
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:50,360
Speaker 1: I try to write songs. I try to find that

1095
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 1: way that people can see something that they haven't and

1096
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:57,359
Speaker 1: that that maybe opens their eyes to something like oh,

1097
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 1: oh my goodness, and yes that is that's and so

1098
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 1: finding that one little, one little different way of saying that.

1099
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 1: Like he said that, he's like, oh man, sometimes it's

1100
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 1: not sometimes just simple. I wrote this song called how

1101
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 1: Great is Our God? And it is, of course, is

1102
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:14,839
Speaker 1: how Great is Our God? Sing with me how great

1103
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 1: is our God? All we'll see how great, how great?

1104
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 1: How great is our God? And when I wrote that,

1105
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:23,840
Speaker 1: I was just sitting there in my room in Austin,

1106
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:28,800
Speaker 1: in my apartment, just with just strumming and singing that chorus,

1107
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 1: thinking that's not that's too simple, that's going nowhere, And

1108
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:37,360
Speaker 1: somehow it's just took off and this sung everywhere. So

1109
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:39,759
Speaker 1: sometimes it's not the most brilliant thing. It's just something

1110
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 1: that just captures something. But I'm always trying to help

1111
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 1: people see and and connect with songs. And that's that's

1112
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 1: what it's been for me. How do you deal with success?

1113
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:01,280
Speaker 1: And I'll share my version and be a bit vulnerable

1114
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:04,359
Speaker 1: so you can see the direction I'm going here. Um.

1115
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 1: I grew up in poverty most of my life. Always

1116
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 1: felt like I stood up for the person that was

1117
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:13,320
Speaker 1: like me. Always felt like I was a voice of

1118
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 1: someone who had been there, even though I was trying

1119
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 1: to break that cycle. My mom died. She was an attic,

1120
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 1: died in her forties. My dad left when I was

1121
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 1: five or six. My grandmother adopted me for a while.

1122
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:24,279
Speaker 1: I was an outis so there was a lot of

1123
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 1: moving around and it was very resentful. About that for

1124
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:28,799
Speaker 1: a long time until I understood the value in it. Now,

1125
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:32,799
Speaker 1: it's very lucky that I was able to get through

1126
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 1: that and understand now that I have a very very

1127
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 1: sharp tool called empathy. It's the greatest tool I could

1128
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 1: ever have ever. And so my my goal, even a

1129
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 1: passion for most of my career, has been speaking for

1130
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 1: the people that I feel aren't spoken for because there's

1131
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 1: not a lot of value and what our society deems

1132
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 1: valuable in speaking for them. I understand why people would

1133
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:02,840
Speaker 1: stand up for business because but people that are struggling,

1134
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 1: they usual don't have people speaking for them. Because people

1135
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:08,239
Speaker 1: that are making decisions didn't usually don't struggle. Most politicians

1136
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 1: come from something or have a path there most not all,

1137
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 1: but most so. But as I started to have more

1138
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 1: success and then have just in my mind this crazy

1139
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:20,880
Speaker 1: amount of success, and then I'm making a lot of

1140
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 1: money and people are like, well, look at you, you're changing. Oh,

1141
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:27,399
Speaker 1: look at you. It's a nice watch you got there.

1142
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 1: And I'm and I'm going to two things when I'm going, Man,

1143
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 1: I can now buy every pair of shoes ever wanted.

1144
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 1: I had to wear yard cell shoes as a kid,

1145
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:35,359
Speaker 1: So it's like, I just want to I just want

1146
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:37,839
Speaker 1: to have these shoes. We never had a car that ran.

1147
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:40,360
Speaker 1: I want to have an awesome car. And at the

1148
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:42,759
Speaker 1: same time, I'm doing things, but people are going, wait, no,

1149
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:45,799
Speaker 1: I thought you're the man of the people. You got

1150
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 1: a tesla. I don't anymore, but you got you gotta tesla.

1151
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:53,440
Speaker 1: You're not. That's not even for real. And it's I

1152
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:56,279
Speaker 1: it's still has bothers him to me and I have

1153
00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:58,880
Speaker 1: to and my wife is great about it, and she

1154
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:00,880
Speaker 1: talks me down because I start to have guilt and

1155
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 1: I start to how do you deal with that? Because

1156
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 1: I don't have it down and I have guilt sometimes

1157
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 1: And I'm proud at the same time because I was

1158
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:09,760
Speaker 1: able to get out of this and I the bigger

1159
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:11,440
Speaker 1: my platform and where I can give back. But I'm

1160
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 1: still making more and things are awesome in that capacity.

1161
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 1: But it is and it's not a real problem. And

1162
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:19,719
Speaker 1: I don't say, like everybody listen to still sorry for me,

1163
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:21,719
Speaker 1: because it's a real problem. It's just something. How do

1164
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:24,760
Speaker 1: you deal with that? Because you have unparalleled success, there's

1165
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:26,920
Speaker 1: nobody and where you do it that does it like

1166
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 1: you do at the level. There has to be some

1167
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:32,439
Speaker 1: of that there because you're able to eat just fine. Yeah,

1168
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:35,200
Speaker 1: I've been very blessed and very Yeah, and it is

1169
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:38,800
Speaker 1: a it is a you are saying it, man, and

1170
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:40,800
Speaker 1: I don't have an answer. And what I the answer

1171
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 1: is that you are in it, that you are wrestling

1172
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 1: with it is amazing good thing because the day you're

1173
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:51,319
Speaker 1: not and is when it's like to me, the day

1174
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 1: I don't wrestle with all the blessings I've been given

1175
00:56:57,080 --> 00:56:59,320
Speaker 1: and what I do with it, and I don't wrestle

1176
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 1: with that. To me, it's over. It will be over quick.

1177
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:06,719
Speaker 1: And you know, Laura I talked about a lot. I

1178
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:10,880
Speaker 1: mean we probably grew up not not exactly alike, but

1179
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:14,800
Speaker 1: similar am starting a trailer house and um, and it

1180
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 1: was like there was you know two you know, to

1181
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 1: to growing up fine but nothing like you know, very

1182
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:28,919
Speaker 1: you know, middle class at best and and yeah, and Laura,

1183
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 1: I talked about it with our kids. Have three girls,

1184
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 1: and you know, it's like they're not right. They weren't

1185
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:38,600
Speaker 1: in the environment I was in. And what how do

1186
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 1: we do that? How do we keep that grounded? And um,

1187
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:45,680
Speaker 1: you know we do the same thing. Um. I just

1188
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:49,440
Speaker 1: coming from here, um coming to your podcast. I was

1189
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 1: just on a Zoom call for a good bit of

1190
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:54,440
Speaker 1: the morning with a foundation my wife and I have

1191
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 1: for for kids who don't have families in our country

1192
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 1: and doing the trying to fight every day for that

1193
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 1: and instill that in our kids. Of like, there are

1194
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:08,920
Speaker 1: so many kids that do not have what And so

1195
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:10,760
Speaker 1: the best thing that I feel like I've always been

1196
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 1: able to do is use my influence, um the influence

1197
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 1: I've been given to help others. And I think you

1198
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:18,200
Speaker 1: do that, and you're doing that, and you have the

1199
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 1: heart to do that, and that's man, that's the best,

1200
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 1: the best, best reason for giving influence. Guilt for success

1201
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 1: though ever, or or some of the stuff that success

1202
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 1: can give you, because I do wrestle with it. And

1203
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:32,720
Speaker 1: I also and again I'm also proud. It's a weird

1204
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 1: thing because I am ashamed and proud at the same time.

1205
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:37,480
Speaker 1: I have guilt. I have. I don't know if guilt

1206
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 1: is maybe guilty to grow And yeah, it's always perspective.

1207
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:47,240
Speaker 1: I lose perspective fast of I think I'll lose perspective fast,

1208
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 1: and I in it. And it doesn't take you that

1209
00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:54,160
Speaker 1: long to realize I don't have problems and that's why

1210
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 1: I said that too. And I'm giving you this because

1211
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 1: we're talking about this. It's not a problem. It's not

1212
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:00,320
Speaker 1: a problem. Yeah, I don't have problems I have I'm

1213
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 1: I'm I'm helping people, trying to help people who have

1214
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:07,360
Speaker 1: are going through real, real struggles and have not been

1215
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:10,640
Speaker 1: given the things that I've been given or the opportunities.

1216
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:13,440
Speaker 1: And that is that puts you in a place of humility,

1217
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:16,880
Speaker 1: puts you in a place of you know, a soberness

1218
00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 1: of you know. And that's the call of faith. Man,

1219
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:22,800
Speaker 1: that's the call of I looked at my phone because

1220
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:25,320
Speaker 1: you know now your Bibles on your phone. But that

1221
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:27,600
Speaker 1: is the call of God's word. Right, That's what this

1222
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:32,680
Speaker 1: is all about, is the least of these And and

1223
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 1: if I'm not living that out, then then I need

1224
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:42,960
Speaker 1: to stop doing. I need to stop saying about all

1225
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:44,960
Speaker 1: that that right, all these things. You know what I'm

1226
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 1: trying to say, I do. I do because I feel

1227
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 1: what you're trying to say. It's like when you sing

1228
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:50,800
Speaker 1: your songs are like can you feel like can you

1229
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:52,919
Speaker 1: see it? Like? I do know what you're saying, don't

1230
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:57,160
Speaker 1: you know? It's um, I don't know. I struggle with that.

1231
00:59:57,800 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 1: I never feel like I'm doing enough. It doesn't matter

1232
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 1: what I do. I so I've now understood that it

1233
01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 1: doesn't matter what I do, I'm never gonna feel like

1234
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 1: I'm doing enough. So as long as I'm doing help,

1235
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 1: you're in it, man. When you know in your heart,

1236
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:12,120
Speaker 1: when you're when when you're prompted, you know and to

1237
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:16,840
Speaker 1: do it and into into act. And that's that's what

1238
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:20,840
Speaker 1: this is about. And for me and I think that

1239
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 1: that's what that's what touches the heart of God to

1240
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:26,960
Speaker 1: is taking care of those who I mean, that's that's

1241
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:31,160
Speaker 1: the call. That is everybody's called. That's always say every everybody.

1242
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:34,480
Speaker 1: Not everybody's called to do adopt kids or do things,

1243
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:37,480
Speaker 1: but everybody's called to care that you don't get out

1244
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:39,640
Speaker 1: of that. I'm gonna I don't want to keep you

1245
01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:41,200
Speaker 1: too much longer. I would want to go over a

1246
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:43,880
Speaker 1: few things here, um and they'll just brag on you

1247
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:44,920
Speaker 1: for a second, so you don't have to make a

1248
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:46,400
Speaker 1: noise if you don't want. You can squill or something

1249
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 1: if you want. But just so can people people can

1250
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:51,920
Speaker 1: understand this. And by the way, tickets are available, just

1251
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:55,480
Speaker 1: go to Chris Tomlin dot com. But whenever you just

1252
01:00:55,600 --> 01:01:00,120
Speaker 1: look at data and data doesn't have a bias, and

1253
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:03,320
Speaker 1: sometimes for me I'm that that stinks. Sometimes it's great.

1254
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:05,440
Speaker 1: But you're one of the only four artists to ever

1255
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:07,720
Speaker 1: receive the Sound Exchange of Digital Radio Award over one

1256
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:11,720
Speaker 1: billion digital radio streams. Now, that's not one of four

1257
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:18,680
Speaker 1: Christian artists. That's justin timber Light, Garth Brooks, you and Pitbull,

1258
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:22,640
Speaker 1: who internationally, I mean even just here he's massive, but internationally,

1259
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:25,880
Speaker 1: you're one of the four that has that that is

1260
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:32,080
Speaker 1: the influence, the power. Um I did a show Garth's.

1261
01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:34,840
Speaker 1: It's a crazy story. I have friends that don't listen

1262
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:36,560
Speaker 1: to country music at all, don't know how big Garth is.

1263
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:39,120
Speaker 1: They don't understand how big Garth is. And I said, hey, Garth,

1264
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:40,600
Speaker 1: I was talking to one of them. I said, I'm

1265
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:42,200
Speaker 1: not gonna be able to do this. Garth has asked

1266
01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:44,600
Speaker 1: me to come open a show for him. Uh, this

1267
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:47,320
Speaker 1: is last year, and they're like, what what venue are

1268
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:48,920
Speaker 1: you playing? I was like, I know, it's a stadium.

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01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:52,560
Speaker 1: They're like huh. I was like, yeah, no, Garth, He's

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01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:55,440
Speaker 1: it's a hundred thousand people and we're gonna be the

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01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:57,560
Speaker 1: act right before Garth. He's asked me to come out

1272
01:01:57,600 --> 01:02:01,160
Speaker 1: and do to open for him, and they're like, wait, okay,

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01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:03,360
Speaker 1: that's cool, you're opening Forgoth but a hundred thousand people

1274
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:05,120
Speaker 1: will go to Garth. I'm like, no, no, you don't understand.

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01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:09,240
Speaker 1: He can do to three nights. You can do but unbelievable.

1276
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:11,200
Speaker 1: But that's but I'm I'm bragging on you at the

1277
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:14,360
Speaker 1: same time because there are four people and you're him. Well, yeah,

1278
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:17,760
Speaker 1: I'm not Garth any but I think what that speaks

1279
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:19,280
Speaker 1: to me, you know when I say that, which we

1280
01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:21,400
Speaker 1: need to put that tour together to relate Garth, pit

1281
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:25,040
Speaker 1: Bull and myself, but I'd be an amazing night. Um.

1282
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:27,840
Speaker 1: But what that speaks to me is how massive the

1283
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:29,760
Speaker 1: church is. And I and I'm not trying to deflect,

1284
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:33,400
Speaker 1: but I'm honestly saying that because there are a lot

1285
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:35,560
Speaker 1: of people. I'm gonna undeflect just one second. The fifth

1286
01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:38,360
Speaker 1: person who gets that is gonna be like, oh, justin Garth,

1287
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:40,439
Speaker 1: people who are you? But there's a lot of people

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01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:43,160
Speaker 1: in the church did make great music and you're the one.

1289
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:45,439
Speaker 1: He's in that list. But I say it that, yeah,

1290
01:02:45,560 --> 01:02:47,400
Speaker 1: you can be humble, and I'll be the reverse humble

1291
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:50,120
Speaker 1: for you. Just take it. You're awesome, believe it there,

1292
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:54,120
Speaker 1: You're awesome, and you can keep deflecting, but it's I'm not.

1293
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:57,320
Speaker 1: I'm honestly, I just want to speak to that because

1294
01:02:57,360 --> 01:03:01,640
Speaker 1: I think sometimes, you know, just realized man that globally

1295
01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:03,960
Speaker 1: the church is so massive, and those those songs find

1296
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:07,600
Speaker 1: their way, you know, an incredible way. Okay, guess I knocking. Okay, Um,

1297
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:09,920
Speaker 1: the de Luxe album, at the Christmas the de Luxe

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01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:13,200
Speaker 1: version the Christmas album? What's de Luxe about? New songs? Obviously,

1299
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:15,080
Speaker 1: but why did you feel to go back and add

1300
01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:17,360
Speaker 1: to this and not do a whole new project. Well,

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01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:19,240
Speaker 1: I just had some songs left over, you know, and

1302
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:22,640
Speaker 1: I wanted I was like they weren't exactly right at

1303
01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:24,360
Speaker 1: the time, and I was like, oh, this would be great.

1304
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:28,520
Speaker 1: And then um An Wilson, who's amazing new girl in

1305
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:31,880
Speaker 1: our world. Um she's this nineteen year old phenom' just

1306
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:34,880
Speaker 1: like amazing singer. She was saying she did one of

1307
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:36,080
Speaker 1: the songs with me, and I was like, I want

1308
01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:37,280
Speaker 1: to get that, want to put that when people to

1309
01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:40,160
Speaker 1: hear that, and so yeah, that's I love making this

1310
01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:43,200
Speaker 1: my third Christmas album. I love making Christmas music. It's like,

1311
01:03:43,640 --> 01:03:46,120
Speaker 1: for me, it's weird, man, it's my favorite songs, right

1312
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:48,600
Speaker 1: of songs, of the Christmas songs. I don't know why

1313
01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:50,520
Speaker 1: you're talking about just writing about one thing. You got

1314
01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:54,160
Speaker 1: one subject and for you know, for the birth of Jesus,

1315
01:03:54,240 --> 01:03:55,960
Speaker 1: and like, I don't know, I just find it so

1316
01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:59,080
Speaker 1: fun and I just love these songs. It's gonna be

1317
01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:00,920
Speaker 1: a very quick questions because again we're gonna get you

1318
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:03,040
Speaker 1: out of here. But I could do three hours with you.

1319
01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:06,800
Speaker 1: I'm just a massive fan, um, so you don't have

1320
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:09,880
Speaker 1: to answer these long at all. But last time you

1321
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:17,000
Speaker 1: said a bad word, it's funny, man, because I was.

1322
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:21,160
Speaker 1: I just gosh, it's probably I don't know, maybe a

1323
01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:22,600
Speaker 1: couple of days ago. But I don't say a lot.

1324
01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:24,520
Speaker 1: I don't. It doesn't and I don't and it's not

1325
01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:27,120
Speaker 1: because it's just just doesn't come out of me. These guys.

1326
01:04:27,240 --> 01:04:28,720
Speaker 1: I was playing that I love playing golf. Do you

1327
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:30,880
Speaker 1: like playing golf? I actually love to play golf. Yeah,

1328
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:32,680
Speaker 1: I got did you see what I have when? Yeah?

1329
01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:36,000
Speaker 1: And I love I love the game. I love the game.

1330
01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:42,200
Speaker 1: Are you good? Uh? Eight? Two? Oh? Yeah? Better than

1331
01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:46,919
Speaker 1: I am, so but I just was I could not play.

1332
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:48,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I just I don't know what. It's just

1333
01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:52,160
Speaker 1: one of those days. And these guys are like, they're like,

1334
01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:54,240
Speaker 1: you did not say a cuss work the whole day,

1335
01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:56,240
Speaker 1: the whole day, and they were they were just so

1336
01:04:56,320 --> 01:04:58,160
Speaker 1: blown away by that. And I wasn't trying not to.

1337
01:04:58,320 --> 01:05:00,480
Speaker 1: I just like, it's just it's just not part of mine.

1338
01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:02,640
Speaker 1: It's not part of my language. I'm and I got

1339
01:05:03,040 --> 01:05:05,880
Speaker 1: people who do it no problem, and we're friends all

1340
01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:07,560
Speaker 1: the time. And what I don't like is when people

1341
01:05:07,640 --> 01:05:10,320
Speaker 1: say something and then they think that's gonna offend me

1342
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:12,720
Speaker 1: something that's that's that just eats. I was like, bro,

1343
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:17,040
Speaker 1: come on, dude, I'm a dude, like say a carsewords

1344
01:05:17,120 --> 01:05:19,280
Speaker 1: like four or five years at all because I don't

1345
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:21,600
Speaker 1: want to think and when I'm writing, because I to

1346
01:05:21,720 --> 01:05:24,280
Speaker 1: me honestly, Chris, it's a sound that comes out if

1347
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:28,160
Speaker 1: you feel it's an action, but it's just a sound

1348
01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:30,600
Speaker 1: that if you drive or if you fly four hours

1349
01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:32,880
Speaker 1: one direction, that sound doesn't even mean the same thing.

1350
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:35,560
Speaker 1: So it is it's just blah blah blah. That could be.

1351
01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:38,880
Speaker 1: It's just a sound, right, Yeah, So but I don't

1352
01:05:38,880 --> 01:05:41,320
Speaker 1: want to write and have to stand up. I don't

1353
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:43,200
Speaker 1: want to have to think in curse words. Yeah, so

1354
01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:46,920
Speaker 1: I just eliminated it. That's amazing. I've just never had

1355
01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:48,880
Speaker 1: it's never been a thinking of me. Yeah. I used

1356
01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:51,840
Speaker 1: to like it, though you did. Yeah, it's fun. It's

1357
01:05:51,840 --> 01:05:56,600
Speaker 1: fun actually. Okay, okay, okay, um that was one question.

1358
01:05:57,280 --> 01:06:00,280
Speaker 1: Um do you ever want to when you're playing show,

1359
01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:05,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, just play Merle Haggard's song. Yes, yes,

1360
01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:09,760
Speaker 1: it just doesn't work. I think the people that have

1361
01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:12,040
Speaker 1: come they didn't come for that, and they don't it's

1362
01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:14,720
Speaker 1: not what they want. A disguise and you just play.

1363
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:16,400
Speaker 1: You just go out to one of these places in

1364
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:18,680
Speaker 1: town and play a set up. I have not secular,

1365
01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:21,320
Speaker 1: I have not, but I man, I love playing those

1366
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:27,120
Speaker 1: songs so much. Favorite Two final questions, Favorite artists now

1367
01:06:27,240 --> 01:06:30,080
Speaker 1: that you'll listen to that is not in your same space.

1368
01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:33,160
Speaker 1: So it could be it could be country, it could

1369
01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:35,200
Speaker 1: be pop. Who do you if it's like I'm just

1370
01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:36,800
Speaker 1: gonna hang out the house and relax and play some

1371
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:39,000
Speaker 1: music while I'm cooking or something. What artists do you

1372
01:06:39,080 --> 01:06:42,440
Speaker 1: go to? Mine? I love John Mayer Mayor talks to me.

1373
01:06:42,560 --> 01:06:46,760
Speaker 1: He's basically my agent rights in my my voice, Who

1374
01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:48,520
Speaker 1: do you? Who do you love? I love cold Play?

1375
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:52,240
Speaker 1: Man me too. I just loved me. I loved him.

1376
01:06:52,600 --> 01:06:54,920
Speaker 1: I love cold Play and then I and then my

1377
01:06:55,080 --> 01:06:57,960
Speaker 1: weird kick is John Denver. I love John Denver too.

1378
01:06:58,320 --> 01:07:01,400
Speaker 1: Get I get offended for four John Denver. Yeah, people

1379
01:07:02,040 --> 01:07:04,920
Speaker 1: at retro, people who would say he wasn't country. I

1380
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:07,800
Speaker 1: just love his There's something that feels good to listen

1381
01:07:07,800 --> 01:07:10,320
Speaker 1: to the songs somebody. I like this guy. Yeah, Coldplay

1382
01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:12,800
Speaker 1: for sure, best concert ever been to in my life.

1383
01:07:13,120 --> 01:07:15,080
Speaker 1: Final question, don't have to answer if you don't want to.

1384
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:18,680
Speaker 1: Your kids Can they listen to the pop sessition? Yes, right,

1385
01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:21,120
Speaker 1: and they can't. I mean they don't, mean they don't,

1386
01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:23,200
Speaker 1: but but I mean it's no different. I mean, listen,

1387
01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:27,160
Speaker 1: it's it's in canto, it's vivo, it's all Disney, okay.

1388
01:07:27,240 --> 01:07:29,440
Speaker 1: That's also that also be pop Okay, So they can

1389
01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:32,400
Speaker 1: listen to popular music. It's not only yeah, alright, we're

1390
01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:36,040
Speaker 1: just gonna go. But when they start bringing on the um,

1391
01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:38,760
Speaker 1: they're also young, so I don't have to worry about that.

1392
01:07:39,640 --> 01:07:41,960
Speaker 1: But when they started bringing on some of the stuff,

1393
01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:46,920
Speaker 1: that's out there. That then then I have no problem

1394
01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:50,520
Speaker 1: saying that we're not gonna listen. That's the dad want.

1395
01:07:51,160 --> 01:07:52,640
Speaker 1: I just want to protect them is I don't want

1396
01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:54,920
Speaker 1: I don't want that in there getting in their heart.

1397
01:07:55,480 --> 01:08:00,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you, Chris, I'm you're just the coolest man. Man,

1398
01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:02,640
Speaker 1: You're just the coolest. You're You're so kind. I was

1399
01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:06,480
Speaker 1: so nervous coming you know, I'm serious, I'm not making

1400
01:08:06,520 --> 01:08:08,680
Speaker 1: it because I was like, man, this is stop. You're

1401
01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:12,400
Speaker 1: like a you're the king of this thing. Well we

1402
01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:15,000
Speaker 1: can have mutual respect, but you're You're the coolest. And

1403
01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:17,880
Speaker 1: so I really I appreciate the fact that we still

1404
01:08:17,960 --> 01:08:19,639
Speaker 1: made this happen and that you still made this happen.

1405
01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:22,200
Speaker 1: And I apologize. I just blew my voice and I

1406
01:08:22,240 --> 01:08:24,000
Speaker 1: didn't want to waste that. I remember telling Mike I

1407
01:08:24,040 --> 01:08:26,719
Speaker 1: don't want to go into this thirty percent because I don't.

1408
01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:28,600
Speaker 1: I owe it to him to be here and be

1409
01:08:29,360 --> 01:08:31,599
Speaker 1: and so thank you for allowing me to do that. Boy,

1410
01:08:31,960 --> 01:08:35,800
Speaker 1: I'm so glad we made this work. We should play golf, yes, um,

1411
01:08:36,280 --> 01:08:38,040
Speaker 1: and it's cold now, which kind of stinks, But I

1412
01:08:38,120 --> 01:08:40,360
Speaker 1: have a have a simulator that is amazing. How far

1413
01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:43,280
Speaker 1: away do you live from my house? I live thirty minutes.

1414
01:08:43,479 --> 01:08:48,360
Speaker 1: I'm in Franklin minutes. Well, when you're in town, we're

1415
01:08:48,360 --> 01:08:50,519
Speaker 1: gonna play come up to Sam, especially in the winter

1416
01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:52,559
Speaker 1: because I can't play golf anywhere. I'll just get your

1417
01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:54,679
Speaker 1: number from Mike or whomever has it, and I would

1418
01:08:54,920 --> 01:08:56,400
Speaker 1: love to do that. I've never said that to anybody,

1419
01:08:56,400 --> 01:08:58,439
Speaker 1: but like, I like you as a person. That's it's cool.

1420
01:08:58,680 --> 01:09:01,200
Speaker 1: You're like a dude. Thank you man. I appreciate that

1421
01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:04,200
Speaker 1: that that's that's the highest thing you could say. I

1422
01:09:04,240 --> 01:09:06,280
Speaker 1: can say higher, but I'm gonna say I'm gonna stay there. No,

1423
01:09:06,479 --> 01:09:09,599
Speaker 1: that's for me. That's awesome. Some people treat you weird

1424
01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:12,200
Speaker 1: because but I don't want to keep this last thing.

1425
01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:15,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna as um. I've never had drink of alcohol

1426
01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:17,240
Speaker 1: because my parents. I don't have a problem people drinking

1427
01:09:17,240 --> 01:09:20,080
Speaker 1: alcohol have at it buddy. For me. I can't their addicts.

1428
01:09:20,120 --> 01:09:22,080
Speaker 1: They died of addictions, so I have to stay away.

1429
01:09:22,160 --> 01:09:24,519
Speaker 1: And I've never had one drink. But people act weird

1430
01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:26,679
Speaker 1: around me because they're like, oh, there's there's mr no drink.

1431
01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:28,280
Speaker 1: But I don't want people to know. I'll fake it

1432
01:09:28,360 --> 01:09:30,280
Speaker 1: sometimes like I'm drinking because it's not about that to me.

1433
01:09:31,200 --> 01:09:33,400
Speaker 1: Do people go oh, as Chris tom One the Christian singer,

1434
01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:36,759
Speaker 1: we gotta really be on our piece and cues, Yes, exactly.

1435
01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:39,880
Speaker 1: That's what I can't stand, you know. And I and

1436
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:42,000
Speaker 1: I and I have one of my good friends and

1437
01:09:42,200 --> 01:09:44,559
Speaker 1: you'll you know where I'm going with this is Tim Tebow,

1438
01:09:44,960 --> 01:09:47,920
Speaker 1: who we're been buddies for since he played at Florida,

1439
01:09:49,400 --> 01:09:52,479
Speaker 1: and we'll be together and I'll watch that happen with him.

1440
01:09:53,280 --> 01:09:55,360
Speaker 1: Somebody he's I mean, he's as dude as you get.

1441
01:09:55,439 --> 01:09:58,760
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, and somebody will say something m

1442
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:01,400
Speaker 1: F this or whatever, and he's just and they're like,

1443
01:10:01,479 --> 01:10:05,479
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, and he's like, bro, stop like I'm a

1444
01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:09,000
Speaker 1: normal I'm a human dude. So yes, I get that

1445
01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:11,559
Speaker 1: and it. But the fathers, hey, come me, dang all right, Chris,

1446
01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:15,880
Speaker 1: thank you. What does a wildly successful artist do on

1447
01:10:15,960 --> 01:10:20,040
Speaker 1: a Wednesday afternoon. Let's pick up his kids from school.

1448
01:10:20,240 --> 01:10:22,479
Speaker 1: That's why you need to go sitting out on the

1449
01:10:22,520 --> 01:10:27,320
Speaker 1: curb right now, daddy. All right, you guys at Chris Tomlin,

1450
01:10:27,400 --> 01:10:28,880
Speaker 1: go to the show. Go to Chris Tomlin dot com

1451
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:32,679
Speaker 1: and the Deluxe Christmas, it's out, it's there, Chris, thank you, Yeah, buddy,