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Speaker 1: Here we go a cold open for an emergency podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Elis Susman, fish Strip's managing editor. It's the fish

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Speaker 1: Stripes Podcast. As you'll that's it here. In just a

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Speaker 1: few minutes, I had pre recorded a show on Sunday

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Speaker 1: afternoon looking forward to the week ahead, with a focus

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Speaker 1: on two main topics, Pablo Lopez and Starling Marte. You'll

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Speaker 1: be hearing plenty about Pablo. I'm keeping that portion of

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Speaker 1: the pod, but we have to re record the Starling

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Speaker 1: Marte portion of it because my premise was to make

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Speaker 1: one final idea for a contract extension offer that the

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Speaker 1: Marlins should make to him before exploring trade possibilities. And

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Speaker 1: you know how quickly this stuff can change. According first

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Speaker 1: the National reports by Bob Nightingale and John Hayman, indicating

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Speaker 1: that the Marlins were likely to trade Starling Marte instead

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Speaker 1: of find common grounds on a new contract. And now

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Speaker 1: Craigmish when he says it, that's when you got to

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Speaker 1: take it to a new level of seriousness. According to Misch,

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Speaker 1: here on Sunday night, extension talks are over between Starling

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Speaker 1: Marte and the Marlins. They were never close. They're going

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Speaker 1: to move forward with trade proposals less than twelve days

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Speaker 1: until the trade deadline, and seems almost certain, just health

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Speaker 1: permitting for Starling, that he will not be a Marlin

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Speaker 1: beyond this trade deadline. Ah Man, this stinks. It's pretty infuriating.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of anger out there. There was pessimism,

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Speaker 1: of course, even prior to this moment, that they weren't

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Speaker 1: going to get a deal done. The fact that they

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Speaker 1: were just so slow to even engage in the topic

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Speaker 1: and that they were trying to work it out in

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Speaker 1: the middle of the season. It's highly unusual to get

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Speaker 1: that stuff done. You could really count on one hand

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Speaker 1: the number of major contract extensions that have gotten done

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Speaker 1: in baseball in recent months, because it's just that's not

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Speaker 1: how you approach it if you're really determined to keep

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Speaker 1: that player at a reasonable price for that player. Last

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Speaker 1: we heard, I think the best offer that the Marlins

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Speaker 1: made to Starling, according to John Hayman, it was more

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Speaker 1: than thirty million, three years and thirty something million dollars.

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Speaker 1: My idea was for the Marlins, I thought a good

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Speaker 1: price for both sides was three years and forty seven

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Speaker 1: million dollars. And it just doesn't seem like they ever

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Speaker 1: got close to that point. There are countless teams really

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Speaker 1: that could use Starling. I mean, we've covered this on

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Speaker 1: the pod already, We've covered this across fist stripes that there.

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Speaker 1: I don't think there's any team in baseball that has

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Speaker 1: three outfielders that are better than Starling Martez, which means

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Speaker 1: that if you plug him in on just about any

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Speaker 1: team in baseball, he makes that team better. So many

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Speaker 1: as disappointing as this moment is, it opens up a

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Speaker 1: whole lot of dare I say it fun conversation about

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Speaker 1: exactly what deal the Marlins should take, what they should

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Speaker 1: be looking to get in retur not just in terms

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Speaker 1: of overall value, but you know, the specific pieces, the

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Speaker 1: types of player, the level of experience of the players

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Speaker 1: they get in return, the quantity versus quality conversation when

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Speaker 1: it comes to weighing these trade packages. That's that's what

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Speaker 1: we have to look forward to now. With Marte owed

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Speaker 1: close to five million dollars the rest of the season,

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Speaker 1: at this point, by the time we get to the deadline,

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Speaker 1: there'll be a little under four and a half. So

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Speaker 1: no doubt that's that's going to be a priority too

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Speaker 1: for the Marlins, that you want to cut some money

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Speaker 1: in a year where they're coming off yet another deflating

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Speaker 1: the five hundred mark. That we'll be diving into this

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Speaker 1: plenty more, for sure. I just wanted to offer this

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Speaker 1: quick prologue before we get into this lengthier discussion about

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Speaker 1: Pavlo Lopez. So with Starling, he's gonna end up spending

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Speaker 1: less than one calendar year in the Marlins organization, even

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Speaker 1: though he's already had so many key moments, so many

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Speaker 1: great highlights, so many fun reaction gifts. It happened in

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Speaker 2: Efflin brings home a two to one pitch and Marte

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Speaker 2: hits one high in the year deep center field. It

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Speaker 2: sends Williams back and that is into the Phillies bullpen

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Speaker 2: to run home run for Starling Marte. We talked about

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Speaker 1: And it's a shame that he has to go. I

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Speaker 1: don't think anything that you get in return for the

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Speaker 1: We've gone through this over and over and over and

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Speaker 1: over and over again with the marlinsaid. No matter how

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Speaker 1: hashtag pay Marte, and now we transition that into trade Marte. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: here's the rest of the podcast and looking forward to

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Speaker 1: a pretty eventful week in the Marlins universe. Enjoy. Hey yo,

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Speaker 1: here we go the official show on the Fish Stripes

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Speaker 1: podcast channel. I'm Eli Susman, the managing editor of Fish Stripes,

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Speaker 1: where we bring you Miami Marlins coverage every single day

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Speaker 1: in our own way. This show is presented by our

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Speaker 1: friends at Symbol the Stock Market for Sports, recording this

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Speaker 1: one in between games on Sunday. Unusual circumstances here where

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Speaker 1: had to suspend that game, picked it right up on

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Speaker 1: Sunday afternoon walk Off lost to JT. Realmuto in the Phillies,

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Speaker 1: and as of this recording, they're heading into the series

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Speaker 1: finale at forty and fifty two. I'll be watching all

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Speaker 1: these games. That's what I do. I watch them all,

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Speaker 1: or if I have to at the listen to them all.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how much of this last one I'm

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Speaker 1: going to watch live. The reality is we know what

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Speaker 1: July thirtieth trade deadline that is going to change that.

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Speaker 1: We'll start with Pablo shoulder injury. It's a strained right

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Speaker 1: rotator cuff and there's a chance that he does return

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Speaker 1: this season. As of this recording, no official word from

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Speaker 1: my expectation is that we do see Pablo back before

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Speaker 1: we should be seeing Pablo back in the majors this year,

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Speaker 1: which makes this an ideal time to dive into what

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Speaker 1: we saw from Pablo here in twenty twenty one. It

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Speaker 1: Diving into his pitch mix, he's been known ever since

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Speaker 1: this season so far nine strikeouts on four different. Occasions

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Speaker 1: he can't quite get over that, humph including in his

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Speaker 1: of it was trusting his change, up locating his, fastball

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Speaker 1: continues to perform better when he's throwing two catchers other

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Speaker 1: Than Jorge. Alfaro this was a big storyline last, year of,

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Speaker 1: course When chad walk Usurped alfaro as like the main

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Speaker 1: obviously in episodes down the stretches That alfaro was once

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Speaker 1: something to iron out moving. Forward the bottom line With

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Speaker 1: we all have noticed how The marlins really do a

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Speaker 1: just put that into, perspective That pablo is that number two,

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Speaker 1: setback that this guy he's not totally, Irreplaceable he's not

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Speaker 1: The pablo injury does for the short term is it

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Speaker 1: takes him out of the equation as a trade. Chip

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Speaker 1: i've seen way too many of those ideas floated out.

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Speaker 1: to have in place for right. Now this was his

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Speaker 1: finally gets to cash in with a seven figure. Salary

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Speaker 1: wins is still a big factor And pablo has not

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Speaker 1: career high is actually, Six so that's that's unfortunate for,

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Speaker 1: sunday and in his place Is Braxton. Garrett will have

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Speaker 1: the recap of How garrett. Does he's just getting started

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Speaker 1: that will be addressed after the trade, deadline whether or

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Speaker 1: The TRIPLE a. Level the expectation is he will be

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Speaker 1: Promotion his stuff is absolutely. Extraordinary three pitches that all

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Speaker 1: The marlins have a lot of these bodies to throw

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Speaker 1: up and see who. Sticks and of course they, have you,

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Speaker 1: know even the lower profile guys hanging around At TRIPLE

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Speaker 1: a Like Shor Sean, morimando Josh A, smith et. Cetera

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Speaker 1: this gets back to the fact that they weren't going

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Speaker 1: to Trade pablo anyway because just entering his arbitration eligibility

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Speaker 1: three full years remaining of his team. Control according To

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Speaker 1: Baseball Trade, values which is a SIDE i use often,

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00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:04,399
Speaker 1: already they'll be using every single day between now and the,

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Speaker 1: deadline and probably after the, Deadline pablo is as valuable

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Speaker 1: a player that The marlins have in their entire organization as.

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Speaker 1: Anybody according To Baseball Trade, Values It's, pablo and It's Trevor,

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Speaker 1: rodgers and they are essentially tied eighty three million dollars

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Speaker 1: of surplus value when you combined their projected performance and

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Speaker 1: their projected earnings between now and free. Agency he would

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Speaker 1: command a huge, hall and he'd command from a hall

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Speaker 1: from a team that's trying to. Win if The marlins

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Speaker 1: are a team that is trying to win anytime in

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Speaker 1: the next couple of, years forget not even twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: two in the next couple, years Then pablo should be.

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Speaker 1: Here he is not easily. Replaceable just because you have

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Speaker 1: all these other arms in the system does not mean

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Speaker 1: any of them are going to reach his same level of.

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Speaker 1: Performance they're not all going to pitch to a three.

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Speaker 1: Era it's possible that none of them really pitch at

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Speaker 1: that level. Consistently it is hard to develop the deep

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Speaker 1: pitch mix That pablo has developed to have such consistently

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Speaker 1: good control and throw strikes and be efficient with your.

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Speaker 1: Pitches he's not a perfect player by any. Means as

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Speaker 1: high As i've been on him throughout His barlin's, TENURE

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Speaker 1: i did point to the, FACT i Think i've mentioned

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Speaker 1: it before that we didn't know how he would hold

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Speaker 1: up over the course of the season because he's never

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Speaker 1: been in this situation before twenty, eighteen he started the

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Speaker 1: season late due to a shoulder. Strain twenty, nineteen his

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Speaker 1: season was interrupted midway through due to a shoulder. Strain

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty, one now his season is interrupted again due

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00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 1: to a rotator cuff strain that has some similarities through

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Speaker 1: those previous. Injuries he does not have a durable track.

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Speaker 1: Record the biggest indication of future. Injury the biggest factor

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Speaker 1: that he put in there when predicting whether or not

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Speaker 1: somebody will hold up is past. Injury that's unfortunately the

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Speaker 1: reality with him is that you really can't count on

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Speaker 1: him making thirty two starts in a. Season but the

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Speaker 1: list of guys you can actually count on to do

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Speaker 1: that is extremely. SMALL i, mean in The marlins, organization

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Speaker 1: that list is one. Guy It's sandy Al, contra and his,

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00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 1: performance to be, frank lately has been a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Uneven like the idea That sandy is definitely the better

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00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,959
Speaker 1: pitcher Than pablo moving, FORWARD i think that is very

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00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 1: much up to. Debate it's a conversation for another. Day

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Speaker 1: so we finish, off obviously with best wishes To. Pablo

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Speaker 1: we hope that this is very brief shut down time

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Speaker 1: and then he's able to ramp back up to a

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Speaker 1: full starter's. Workload my, guess this is total, guess is

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Speaker 1: that we see him back in the first week Of,

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Speaker 1: september that he's out six seven, weeks and then when

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Speaker 1: rosters expand at the end of the, year he'll be

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00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,639
Speaker 1: ready to be a starter. Again make a handful of

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00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,160
Speaker 1: appearances towards the end of the, season and The marlins

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Speaker 1: will have some interesting decisions to make based off. That

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Speaker 1: but for someone that still has three full years of

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Speaker 1: team control beyond this year three and a, HALF i

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Speaker 1: guess at this very moment that there's no pressure to

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Speaker 1: get rid of a guy like. This for everybody that's

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Speaker 1: demanding that The marlins get more bats into their, ORGANIZATION

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Speaker 1: i mean they did put a lot of draft capital

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Speaker 1: towards doing that this past draft by selecting position players

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Speaker 1: throughout the first six rounds or. So if you want

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Speaker 1: to trade from your pitching depth to reinforce the, offense

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00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 1: you do it by trading some of the unproven. Guys

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Speaker 1: they have a lot of talented but unproven players that

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00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 1: are some that are the same age As pablo and

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00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 1: some that are only slightly. Younger you trade from the

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Speaker 1: unknown if you want to get a surefire offensive. Improvement

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00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,159
Speaker 1: AND i don't know if those trades will happen at the,

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00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 1: deadline you could feel it's pretty likely that a trade

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00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:49,880
Speaker 1: like that could happen during the. Offseason that's because they

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Speaker 1: need some help For Starling, marte or they need a

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00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 1: potential replacement For Starling. Marte with the low likelihood that

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Speaker 1: an extension gets. Done give my two. CENTS i hope

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Speaker 1: they consider bumping it up to a three, year fully

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00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 1: guaranteed deal because we have discussed this in depth. Before

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00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 1: there's simply nobody waiting in line to fill startling, shoes

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00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,159
Speaker 1: and there's no obvious target outside the organization that you

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00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:19,200
Speaker 1: feel confident either about producing at his kind of level next.

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Speaker 1: Year so it'd be great to keep him. Around people

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Speaker 1: love the. Continuity it'd be something to feel good about

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Speaker 1: because this, team even in the middle Of, july it's

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00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 1: obvious at this point that they are not going anywhere

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00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:34,679
Speaker 1: in terms of being a contending. Team they need to

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00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 1: have some pieces in place for next. Year they need

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00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 1: to start already preparing to bounce back because this has

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00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 1: been a disappointing, year some reasons in their, control others

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00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 1: there have been some bad luck working against them as.

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Speaker 1: Well that you know all about that, stuff we're not

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Speaker 1: going to retell it all right. HERE i really hope

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Speaker 1: they find a way to Keep marte. Around this going

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00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 1: to be a saga that will have updates on virtually

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00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 1: every single day between now and the trade. Deadline i've

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Speaker 1: Been Eli, Sussman thank you all for. Listening make sure

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Speaker 1: to check out our. Site we'll have coverage of A

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Speaker 1: sunday's game and some interesting events already breaking from A sunday's.

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Speaker 1: Game Jazz chisholm suffering an. Injury oh. Boy it's going

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Speaker 1: to be a lot to cover with This marlins, team

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Speaker 1: of whether or not they're in playoff. Contention thanks as,

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