1 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: We've come to the time in the season when family 2 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:23,919 Speaker 1: and friendsgether here to offer a prayer of thanksgiving for 3 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 1: blessings we've known through the year to join hands and 4 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 1: thank the Creator. Now when Thanksgiving is due. This year, 5 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:43,919 Speaker 1: when I count my blessings, I'm thinking. 6 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:45,559 Speaker 2: The Lord he made you. 7 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:53,519 Speaker 1: This year, when I count my blessings, I'm thinking the 8 00:00:53,800 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 1: Lord he made you. I'm great full for the laughter 9 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 1: of children, the sun and the wind and the rain, 10 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:14,400 Speaker 1: the color of blue in your sweet eyes, the side 11 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 1: of a high ball and string, the moon rise over 12 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:27,959 Speaker 1: a prairie, and all love that you've made new. And 13 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 1: this year when I count my blessing, thinking. 14 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 2: The Lord he made you. 15 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 1: This year, when I count my blessings, I'm thinking the 16 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 1: Lord he made you. And when the time comes to 17 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 1: be going, it. 18 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 2: Won't be in sorrow and tears. 19 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 1: I'll kiss you goodbye, Hanna goal away, grateful for all 20 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:13,240 Speaker 1: of the years I think for all that you gave me, 21 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 1: for teaching me what love can do. And Thanksgiving Day, 22 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 1: for the rest of my life, I'm. 23 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 2: Thinking the Lord he made you. 24 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 1: Thanksgiving Day, for the rest of my life, I'm thinking 25 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:36,639 Speaker 1: the Lord he made you. 26 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 3: It is Thursday, Thanksgiving Day, twenty seven November in the 27 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 3: Year of Lord twenty twenty five, Johnny Cash with the 28 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:57,799 Speaker 3: Thanksgiving song we play every year about this time. Very 29 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 3: special honor to have back doctor Schweikert, the co author 30 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 3: of one of the most profound books I think about 31 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 3: history in the history of the country, The Patriots History 32 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 3: of the United States. Larry or Doc, thank you so 33 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 3: much for joining us again as we do this one 34 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 3: more time. It's always fantastic talk to me about not 35 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:26,360 Speaker 3: just Thanksgiving Day, but the whole you know, Patriots history. 36 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 3: You guys had a totally different take that's resonated down 37 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 3: through the years. It was a number one best seller. 38 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 3: If rush Limba fell in love with the book, it 39 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 3: became a blockbuster. You people, I think would think, hang 40 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 3: hang on a conservative history of the United States. You 41 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 3: guys had the idea because you were teachers of history, right, 42 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 3: and you couldn't find a textbook that actually told the 43 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 3: true story of the United States. 44 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 4: Sir, that's exactly right. Mike Allen and I met at 45 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 4: a Western History conference and we were lamenting how bad 46 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 4: the traditional textbooks that were out there were. You know, 47 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 4: it's interesting that they started off many of these like 48 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 4: the National Experience or American Pageant weren't terrible, but over time, 49 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 4: as especially as they took on more co authors and 50 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 4: younger writers, they got to be extremely liberal. So by 51 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:22,159 Speaker 4: the early nineteen nineties, Mike and I couldn't find anything 52 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 4: to teach from, and as an instructor, it's a pain 53 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 4: to have to argue against the textbook all the time, 54 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 4: so we said, why don't we write our own, So 55 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 4: around nineteen ninety nine we started writing this book. And 56 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 4: by the way, it was not a direct response to 57 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 4: Howard Zen's People's History. This wasn't even really the original 58 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 4: title of the manuscript we gave him. And we didn't 59 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 4: think we'd get a publisher. We thought we'd end up 60 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:49,600 Speaker 4: with a book that we had to bind and sell 61 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 4: out of the back of a van, along with you know, 62 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:57,160 Speaker 4: plastic straws in California and various other sort of contraband 63 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 4: items study plastic straws, paid history of the United States. 64 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 4: But we did get a publisher and it worked out 65 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:08,480 Speaker 4: very well, and as you mentioned, we had a number 66 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 4: of years where we had just good sales. Everything was fine, 67 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 4: and then I went on Glenn Beck's show in twenty ten, 68 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 4: and he had a massive audience at that time about 69 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:21,279 Speaker 4: the equivalent of what Tucker had at Fox when he 70 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 4: left Fox, And overnight the book just exploded to the 71 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:30,040 Speaker 4: point we were shipping over nineteen thousand copies a single day. 72 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 4: It is now in its forty fifth printing, And for 73 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:39,159 Speaker 4: your audience, I will have a free update from the 74 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 4: last edition which ended in twenty eighteen. I will give 75 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:46,279 Speaker 4: people a free update if they just email me at 76 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 4: Larry at wildworldohistory dot com. That's larryotwildworldhistory dot com. We 77 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 4: have two new chapters that go from twenty twenty, twenty 78 00:05:56,040 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 4: eighteen to twenty twenty five, through Trump's first full term, 79 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 4: through Biden's term, through COVID, and part part of the 80 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:08,160 Speaker 4: way through Trump's term. So if you want that free update, 81 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:10,839 Speaker 4: it's a pdf. I'll email it to you if you 82 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 4: email me at Larry at wildworldohistory dot com, we're. 83 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:17,600 Speaker 3: Gonna get into all of this today. You know, you're 84 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:20,279 Speaker 3: one of my favorite people to have on just such 85 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 3: not just great chemistry and give and take, but your 86 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 3: love of history just comes to and it comes through 87 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 3: on the book. So if anybody's ever ever wanted to 88 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:34,040 Speaker 3: particularly their grandchildren, children or yourself. If you don't think 89 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 3: you know the whole story. What Swikert and Alan do 90 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 3: is it's and it's a there, it's a it's kind 91 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:43,720 Speaker 3: of academic to a degree, like parts of it like 92 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 3: a textbook, but it's like a narrative you read. It's 93 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 3: like a huge novel. The arc of the the arc 94 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 3: of the history of the United States, and it's it's 95 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 3: pretty Uh, it's very profound. I want to thank everybody 96 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:57,720 Speaker 3: for we do this. We do our specials on Christmas Day, 97 00:06:57,760 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 3: or do our specials on Thanksgiving Day. We want to 98 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:02,600 Speaker 3: thank you everybody part of the war and posse particularly day. 99 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 3: We know you're probably traveling around trying to get to 100 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 3: Thanksgiving dinner this afternoon. 101 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:08,039 Speaker 2: Uh. 102 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 3: And and I'd love this book so much. I had 103 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 3: most send me a bunch of copies. I started with 104 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 3: the one out of the prison library. But this is 105 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 3: you know people comment about. I taught Civics at Danbury 106 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 3: Federal Prison and one of the key textbooks I used 107 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 3: was was The Patriots History of the United States, and 108 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 3: it was amazing. Some of the of the inmates came 109 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 3: up to me after me and said, what's this history book, 110 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 3: and so I know, I know it was standing room 111 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:35,679 Speaker 3: only at the prison library. After the fact, I bought 112 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 3: a bunch of copies and gave it to the prison 113 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 3: library so they had more to circulate. Larry, let's talk 114 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 3: about things. I'm going to go back to the County 115 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 3: of the Country and all that. But we've had Ken 116 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 3: Burns's The American Revolution that's been on. I don't know 117 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 3: if you've been watching it, but but let's go back 118 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 3: to Thanksgiving because you got did you did you watch Burns' 119 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 3: American American Revolution? 120 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 4: No? No, I did not. Sorry, I've been I've had 121 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 4: not only the book you see in the background, America 122 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 4: in the twenty first Century, which is coming out in February, 123 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 4: but the publisher and I decided we needed a book 124 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 4: for America's two hundred and fiftieth anniversary, specifically, although I 125 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 4: wasn't going to write any more books, I go, okay, 126 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 4: I'll do one more, and it's called American Biography. I 127 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 4: know this is going to be right up your Ali, Steve, 128 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 4: because I follow the history of America, starting with John 129 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 4: Smith all the way up to Trump by linking people 130 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 4: together one to another to another, all the way through 131 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:43,239 Speaker 4: the history. It's quite an amazing story. You know that Bradford, 132 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 4: William Bradford, his ship was sent off on a prayer 133 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 4: service by Increase Mather, who was Cotton Mather's father, and 134 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 4: Bradford of course like Cotton Mather a lot. And you 135 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 4: get into these connections whereby did you know that Davy 136 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 4: Crockett had on him one book at the Alamo? He 137 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 4: brought with him one book and it was Benjamin Franklin's autobiography. 138 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 4: I mean, you find these links through American history. We 139 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 4: really are all tied together by less than six degrees 140 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 4: of separation, quite honestly. 141 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:26,440 Speaker 3: So you're saying it's kind of an unbroken chain of 142 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 3: you look at American history. I think was Carlisle that 143 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 3: said history is just biography, right, But you're actually going 144 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 3: to prove it by doing American biography and linking back 145 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 3: to the unbroken chain of American patriotism all the way 146 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 3: back to the beginning through telling people's stories. 147 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly right. I mean we forget that so many 148 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 4: of these people were contemporaries, but they weren't the same age. 149 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 4: You know, Washington overlapped Pactor Henry, who overlapped Thomas Jefferson 150 00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 4: who overlapped James Madison, and you get Daniel Boone in there. 151 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 4: You get Davy Crockett. Crockett, Boone and Mike Fink apparently 152 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:13,199 Speaker 4: never met. Even though Disney had Mike Think and Davy 153 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 4: Crockett doing a keel boat race. Apparently they never met. 154 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:18,319 Speaker 4: But they were all in that same MEALEU all at 155 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 4: that same time, and they all knew of each other, 156 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 4: which is just really remarkable. 157 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 3: What let's go back. I want to talk about thanks 158 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 3: again a little bit to kick the show off, did 159 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 3: you uh? And by the way, we're the song our 160 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 3: our song is three minutes long? Or is this take 161 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 3: me down to it? Or we want to cut it 162 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 3: three minutes? You let me know. Okay, fine, you're gonna 163 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 3: give me the sign. Maybe maybe I'd wait for Larry, 164 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 3: Maybe I wait for Larry to we come back. Is 165 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 3: it three minutes out? 166 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 4: Yes? 167 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 3: Okay, fine, Larry uh our doctor the h and I'm 168 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 3: gonna bring you back. You're gonna be with us for 169 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 3: all two hours when you come back. Here's the question, 170 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:02,560 Speaker 3: is any other nation on Earth really segregated out a 171 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:07,560 Speaker 3: time of year or a day to actually give thanks 172 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 3: to God? To give thanks to divine Providence for the 173 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:14,319 Speaker 3: blessings of the nation. So we're gonna let we get 174 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 3: a very special song. Every year at Thanksgiving we do 175 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 3: this odette and we're ready to go. Let's go ahead 176 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:22,719 Speaker 3: and let the let's go and let this song. We're 177 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:25,320 Speaker 3: gonna play the entire song to kick things off. 178 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 5: And did you wear the grapes of wrath are stored. 179 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 5: He has losed the faithful lightning of. 180 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 6: His terrible swift sword. His true is marching. 181 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 7: On glory, glory, glory, glory. His truth is marching on. 182 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 5: I have seen him in the watchfires of a hundred 183 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:09,200 Speaker 5: circling camps. They have builded him and altar in the 184 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:13,679 Speaker 5: evening dews and damps. I have read his righteous sentence 185 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 5: by the dim and flaring lamps. 186 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 6: His truth is marching. 187 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 7: On glory, glory, Halloo, glory, glory, gor glory. His truth 188 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 7: is marching all. 189 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 8: I have read a fiery gospel Brittain, burnished rows of steel. 190 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 6: As you deal with. 191 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 5: My condemners, so with you, my grace shall deal that 192 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 5: the hero born of woman crush the. 193 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 6: Serpent with his heir. 194 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 9: His truth is marching on. 195 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 7: Gloria, gorregory, hall, Glororyala, his. 196 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 6: True, his marching on. 197 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:28,200 Speaker 5: He has sounded forth the trumpet that shall never har 198 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 5: has reached me. He sifting out the handsome men before 199 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 5: his judgment. 200 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 9: Seat, or be swift my soul to answer. 201 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 6: Or be jubilant my feet. He is true, his marching. 202 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 10: On glorygorial, logory. 203 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:56,959 Speaker 6: Hall, in the beauty of the release. 204 00:13:57,160 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 9: Christ was born across the sea, a glory in. 205 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:05,559 Speaker 5: His bosom that transfigures you with me. As he died 206 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:07,680 Speaker 5: to make men holy, let us. 207 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 6: Die of makementry. His truth is marching. 208 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 10: On glory, glorial, glorygorial of glory, glorial. 209 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 6: His true, his marching on. 210 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 8: Myne eyes have seen the glory. 211 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 6: Of the coming of the Lord. 212 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 8: He is trampling off the vengeance where the grapes of 213 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 8: wrath are stored. 214 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 6: He had loosed the faithful lightning of his terrible, swift sword. 215 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 7: His True is marching on. 216 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 6: Still America's voice Family, Are you on Getter yet? 217 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 4: No? 218 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 2: What are you waiting for? 219 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 4: It's free, it's uncensored, and it's where all the biggest 220 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 4: voices in conservative media are speaking out. 221 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 2: Well. 222 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 3: Download the Getter app right now. It's totally free. It's 223 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 3: where I've put up exclusively all of my content twenty 224 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 3: four hours a day. You want to know what Steve 225 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 3: Banner is thinking. 226 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 2: Go together. 227 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 6: That's right. 228 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 4: You can follow all of your faith Steve Banner, Charlie Projected, 229 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 4: the Soviet. 230 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 3: And so many more. 231 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 6: Download the Getter app now, sign. 232 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 7: Up for free and be part of the new band. 233 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 1: We've come to the time in the season when family 234 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 1: and friends together. 235 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 2: Near to offer a prayer of. 236 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 1: Thanksgiving or blessings we've known through the year. 237 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 2: To join hands and thank the creator. 238 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 3: Okay, welcome back on a Thanksgiving morning. We do our 239 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 3: We always do our words and Thanksgiving and Christmas and 240 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 3: all the holidays. Make sure that we're there for you 241 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 3: all the time. Larry Swikert, doctor Schwikert, author, co author 242 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 3: of The Patriots City of the United States. When I 243 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 3: was a kid growing up, Doc, there used to be 244 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 3: arguments around the table. We were from the Commonwealth of Virginia, 245 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 3: you know, families from Norfolk, but we had gone up 246 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 3: to Richmond and we're there. We used to get together 247 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 3: with the Narfilk crowd and there'd be big debates over people. 248 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 3: At the time. I think Jack Kennedy in nineteen I 249 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 3: think it was Kennedy in sixty one or sixty two 250 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 3: put out of proclamation that both Thanksgiving, we're both both 251 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 3: Massachusetts and Virginia. But it was a huge debate at 252 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 3: that time, as things often we're about American history. You 253 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 3: wouldn't have that debate today. Talk to me about that. 254 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 3: I think, I think you come down. I remember reading 255 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 3: the book correctly. You believe Berkeley and what happened in 256 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 3: the Burke plantation, all that happened afterwards. You come down 257 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:05,360 Speaker 3: on the side of this that it was Massachusetts, sir. 258 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 4: Massachusetts, especially Plymouth, was the site of American exceptionalism and 259 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 4: not Jamestown. And the reason for that is what we 260 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 4: call in the book the four pillars of American Exceptionalism. 261 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 4: The first one being a Christian mostly Protestant religious tradition. 262 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 4: And the reason that's important is not for matters of theology, 263 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 4: but because the Puritans believed in bottom up congregational government 264 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:39,359 Speaker 4: of the church, and every other church government at that 265 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:43,680 Speaker 4: time was topped down. A second pillar was common law, 266 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:47,160 Speaker 4: that God puts the law in the hearts of the people, 267 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 4: not the ruler, and that the people elect or select 268 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:54,359 Speaker 4: rulers who will carry out God's Law. The third was 269 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:58,920 Speaker 4: private property with written titles and deeds, which was at Jamestown. 270 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 4: And the last was a free market economy. They wouldn't 271 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 4: have called it capitalism then, but they did have early 272 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 4: elements of a free market economy. But it was only 273 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 4: Plymouth that had those first two elements and as a result, 274 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:19,200 Speaker 4: American exceptionalism. Are you listening to me? Sixteen nineteen project 275 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:22,919 Speaker 4: American exceptions and has nothing to do with slavery or slaves. 276 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:24,960 Speaker 4: There were no slaves in Plymouth. 277 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:28,200 Speaker 3: It's interesting to say this. I want to drill down 278 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 3: because in Jamestown was it was freebooters, right, It was 279 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:37,199 Speaker 3: really entrepreneurs. They were not there to farm, They were 280 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 3: there to find gold. I mean it was it was 281 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:41,119 Speaker 3: a corporate and you talked about there was a corporate entity. 282 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 3: They were going to have allocation of profits, and they 283 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 3: were much more capitalistic in looking at it because there's 284 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 3: really an entrepreneural The Virginia Company was an entrepreneurial activity, Sir. 285 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:57,400 Speaker 4: Supposedly, so was Plymouth. But of course we know what 286 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:00,239 Speaker 4: happened there was that the pilgrims could not go to 287 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:04,639 Speaker 4: the king and say listen, horror, Babylon. We want a 288 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 4: place where we can worship without your oversight. And they 289 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 4: were being persecuted severely in England at that time by 290 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 4: the Church of England, so they couldn't go to him 291 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:17,439 Speaker 4: and use a religious argument. So they went to him. 292 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:19,159 Speaker 4: They said, Hey, we think we can make you some 293 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 4: money if you just give us some land up there 294 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 4: in the top of the Virginia Grant. And as you know, 295 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:29,400 Speaker 4: they were originally supposed to be part of the London 296 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 4: Company Virginia Company grant at the top of Virginia, and 297 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 4: they were off course and ended up in Massachusetts. 298 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:41,200 Speaker 3: The Puritans had actually left. I guess the group called 299 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 3: the Pilgrims had gone to because they didn't fit in 300 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 3: in England, right. They just felt that the English society 301 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 3: was getting two decades in fact, the a I think 302 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 3: it was Kevin Phillips wrote The Cousin's War, which one 303 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 3: of the most profound books I've ever read about the 304 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 3: founding of America. Talked about the the Puritans versus the 305 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 3: Royalist in the English Civil War and the different parts 306 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,359 Speaker 3: of the country came from. It didn't extrapolate that down 307 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:11,639 Speaker 3: to really have the revolution in our country was kind 308 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:13,440 Speaker 3: of two parts of the New England part in the 309 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 3: southern part, and they took it all the way to 310 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 3: the Civil War, right with the abolitionists and the and 311 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:22,399 Speaker 3: really the rebels. It was quite interesting, the distinction. But 312 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:25,719 Speaker 3: when they left England, they didn't they didn't come to 313 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 3: America first, right, They made a stop in which they 314 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:31,439 Speaker 3: I guess they they pissed off the locals there and 315 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 3: had to keep going to tell us that story. 316 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 4: Well, they went to Leyden in Holland. And it's something 317 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:40,879 Speaker 4: of a myth that when they came to America they 318 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:43,359 Speaker 4: didn't know how to farm. Of course, they knew how 319 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 4: to farm, but they'd spend some time in Holland doing 320 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 4: other things, tanning and you know, leather and all these 321 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:57,200 Speaker 4: other kinds of of what we call mechanical skills at 322 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:01,359 Speaker 4: that time. And they had wanted an area which wasn't, 323 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:04,920 Speaker 4: as you said, decadent and sort of a Las Vegas, 324 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:08,440 Speaker 4: and that's what they found in Holland, and that greatly 325 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 4: disturbed them. But when they left England, it's important to 326 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 4: understand that it wasn't just now, these guys are a 327 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 4: little too sinful for us. They were being actively persecuted. 328 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:24,879 Speaker 4: Members of the separatist group, and the Pilgrim and the 329 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 4: Puritans as a whole were being thrown into jail because 330 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 4: they were not cowtowing to the line given by the 331 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 4: Anglican Church. So their physical safety was in question. And 332 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 4: then when they left Leiden, they said, we've got to 333 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:44,879 Speaker 4: go really far away here. Let's get to America. 334 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 3: But one of the things for the audience is that 335 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 3: they wouldn't count out to the fact that the king 336 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:54,440 Speaker 3: was the head of the Church of England. 337 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:55,200 Speaker 2: Right. 338 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 3: Remember, Henry the eighth had removed the Catholic Church and 339 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 3: made it more nationalistic. They wanted it to be English, 340 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:07,680 Speaker 3: not Roman. But they did put the king, they put 341 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 3: a secular head in charge. That was one of the 342 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 3: big complaints, besides all the ornamentation and how they felt 343 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 3: the Church of England or the Anglican Church was too 344 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:20,359 Speaker 3: much like the Catholic Church except it reported to a 345 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:22,239 Speaker 3: different person. But the thing that really stuck in their 346 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:24,639 Speaker 3: crawl was that the king was the head of the 347 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 3: was the head of the Church of England. 348 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 4: Yes, that absolutely. This comes to that first pillar, which 349 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 4: is that in America you have a Christian, mostly Protestant 350 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 4: tradition that emphasizes congregations and bottom up church government, which 351 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 4: was contrary to the Roman Catholic Church, to the Greek 352 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 4: Orthodox Church, and of course, as you just mentioned, to 353 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 4: the Anglican Church and Henry the Eighth. I used to 354 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 4: tell my students created the Anglican Church because he wanted 355 00:22:56,520 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 4: a hotty, he wanted Anne Boleyn, And Pope says, no, 356 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 4: I'm not going to give you a divorce. He said, well, fine, 357 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 4: I'll start my own church and I'll be the head 358 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 4: of my own church. So when you combine the pilgrim's 359 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:17,680 Speaker 4: bottom up religious experience with their bottom up political government experience, 360 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 4: you have such an absolutely powerful force that it makes 361 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 4: America different from every other nation in the world. And 362 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:28,920 Speaker 4: just a few years ago you might remember how many Americans, 363 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,959 Speaker 4: I'm sure they asked you this too, what's going on 364 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 4: with Canada and Australia. Why are they locking down so hard? 365 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 4: Aren't they democracies? And I would always say, yeah, they're democracies, 366 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 4: but they don't have the pillars of American exceptionalism that 367 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:51,399 Speaker 4: begin with this twofold bottom up resistance against top down governments. 368 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 4: So they were very different in their COVID experiences than 369 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:58,160 Speaker 4: we were going all the way back to the Pilgrims. 370 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 3: Going back to the pilgrims on the Mayflower, Tell what 371 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:06,359 Speaker 3: stuns me? And havn't gone up there and been to 372 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:10,360 Speaker 3: Plymouth Rock and the Plymouth and going into actually tracing 373 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 3: not just how they came across, how they landed. How 374 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 3: did they survive? This is what I don't get it, 375 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 3: because you have every day, you have to get your heat, 376 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:24,639 Speaker 3: your food. It's just it's it's stunned. I tell people 377 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 3: we stand on the shoulders of giants, right, because I 378 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:31,880 Speaker 3: wouldn't last too long in that environment. Larry, How did 379 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,879 Speaker 3: they actually survive when they had nothing and they were 380 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:39,200 Speaker 3: on the tiny, tiny sliver of a vast wilderness. 381 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,160 Speaker 4: Well, first of all, they didn't all leave the boat 382 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 4: the minute they got here. They stayed on board the 383 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:49,400 Speaker 4: Mayflower for some time, and they sent out scouting parties. Obviously, 384 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 4: are we in the right place? Is there a place 385 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 4: here where we can settle? Is there a place where 386 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 4: we can live? Once the whole body of people, remember 387 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 4: more than half of these travelers who came to America 388 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 4: that we all call them the Pilgrims, But more than 389 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 4: half of them were not separatists. They were just others 390 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,200 Speaker 4: who wanted to come over, and they were known by 391 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:15,159 Speaker 4: the term strangers. And they fished and they hunted and 392 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 4: they gathered, and they did whatever they could to stay 393 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,440 Speaker 4: alive for those weeks. 394 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 3: Just quite amazing. Odell will take us out one of 395 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 3: my favorite songs, We have a Beautiful Voice from nineteen 396 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,920 Speaker 3: fifty nine, the Battle Hymn of the Republican. Throughout the day, 397 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,160 Speaker 3: well actually in the second I will play the entire 398 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:38,359 Speaker 3: all the stanzas for it's quite amazing. Larry Schweikert is 399 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 3: our guest. Is basically we said the traditional the last 400 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:47,119 Speaker 3: couple of years of every Thanksgiving. The reason is I 401 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:51,440 Speaker 3: have not met any one individual that has just not 402 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 3: a storehouse of knowledge and information in these amazing stories, 403 00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 3: but has a great love for this country. And in 404 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 3: that love, I think you can connect a lot of dots. 405 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:08,119 Speaker 3: Larry Schwiker, the book is Patriot's History of the US 406 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:11,119 Speaker 3: now the United States for Now, and it's forty fifth printing. 407 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 3: He's got an incredible book coming out, American Biography of 408 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 3: the twenty fiftieth In America in the twenty first century, 409 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,639 Speaker 3: we'll talk all about those. Larry swikerck Oh debt. We'll 410 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 3: take us out with battle. 411 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:28,640 Speaker 7: Him of the Republic, his truth, his marching. 412 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 8: I have read a fiery gospel written burnished rose of steel. 413 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 5: As you deal with my condemners, so with you, my 414 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:44,120 Speaker 5: grace shall deal that the hero born woman rush. 415 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:49,680 Speaker 9: The serpent with his heir, his his truth, his margin. 416 00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:58,920 Speaker 6: Gory. 417 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 3: Okay, welcome back, Thanksgiving morning. Larry Swiker is with us. 418 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 3: You know they were off course, Larry. They thought they 419 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 3: were hitting Virginia. They hit Massachusetts, and I think they 420 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 3: figured it out fairly quickly. I can tell you as 421 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 3: a kid from Virginia that went and spent four years 422 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 3: at sea, you know, homeported out of San Diego, but 423 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 3: spent it in Asia, the tropics, the you know, ended 424 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 3: up in the Persian Gulf, North Arabian Sea. When I 425 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 3: came back and went to the Pentagon, back to kind 426 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,160 Speaker 3: of Virginia for a couple of years, and then went 427 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 3: to Harvard up in Massachusetts. There's a big difference in 428 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,679 Speaker 3: the climate. There's a very big difference in the climate 429 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 3: of Virginia than it is up in Massachusetts. So once 430 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 3: again I realized some stay on the ship. But how 431 00:27:56,080 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 3: did they the grueling nature, I mean, how many people 432 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,399 Speaker 3: did they lose? Because Jamestown, the entrepreneurs, the people looking 433 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 3: for gold, essentially starved to death and really packed it up, 434 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,399 Speaker 3: and we're leaving when they caught an inbound ship that 435 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:14,440 Speaker 3: was coming with well kind of not just reinforcements, but resupplies. 436 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:19,920 Speaker 3: They although they had a grueling time in Massachusetts, they 437 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,160 Speaker 3: never really said they never came close the same we're 438 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:23,200 Speaker 3: calling it quits, did they? 439 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 4: No? And the story you just mentioned is absolutely incredible. 440 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:32,959 Speaker 4: I don't know if people understand this, but the Jamestown settlers, 441 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 4: you know, you got so bad that they'd been eating 442 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 4: rats and dung and shoelaces. And you know, my wife 443 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,719 Speaker 4: and I love these cooking shows where you have a 444 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 4: market basket of goods and they'll pull out, oh we 445 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 4: have a rat, we have dung, we have shoelaces, and 446 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 4: of course the great cook. So I know what I'm 447 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 4: going to do with that. I'm going to make a 448 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 4: rat puree over some nice rocks. And anyway, that ship 449 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,880 Speaker 4: with the settlers had they completely pulled out. They said, 450 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 4: enough is enough. We've lost over half of our people 451 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 4: two years in a row. We're getting out of here. 452 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 4: And as they get to the mouth of the James River. 453 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 4: Now people think about the incredible providential nature of this. 454 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 4: They get to the mouth of the James River and 455 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 4: they meet another ship inbound a half an hour in 456 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 4: either direction, and they wouldn't have they wouldn't have encountered 457 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 4: that ship. If they'd left a half an hour earlier, 458 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 4: they would have missed them. So you get the pilgrims 459 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 4: up at Massachusetts. They did lose a lot, but not 460 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 4: at the same level as those in Jamestown did. But 461 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 4: remember their mission was to set up a city on 462 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 4: a hill, a godly colony, and you know, hardship was 463 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,640 Speaker 4: just a part of that. And they weren't gonna leave 464 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 4: no matter what. So the difference between the two colonies 465 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 4: was rather significant. 466 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 3: What to talk to me about because there's all there's 467 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 3: a separation of the legend and what the reality was. 468 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,560 Speaker 3: Walk through as close to reality as we can get 469 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,520 Speaker 3: of the of the first Thanksgiving Day? How did it 470 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 3: come about? Because part of this is the sophistication of 471 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 3: the Indian tribes. And because the Indians had alliances with 472 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 3: each other, they were in confederacies with each other, they 473 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 3: were against each other. There was a there had been 474 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 3: a huge epidemic, but there was also a constant and 475 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 3: this was quite a big war I think going on 476 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 3: in New England at the time between the tribes themselves, 477 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 3: where the whites were kind of these you know, these 478 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,520 Speaker 3: kind of very odd folks that just kind of arrived 479 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:47,240 Speaker 3: out of nowhere. 480 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's absolutely right. So let's back up so that 481 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 4: everybody understands that both Jamestown and the Plymouth colonists, the Puritans, 482 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:03,479 Speaker 4: they all arrived with a socialist model in mind. They 483 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 4: were going to run the colonies as a socialist model. 484 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 4: They wouldn't have used that word. They use something like communal. 485 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 4: But they had communal grain, they had communal lands, the commons. 486 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,040 Speaker 4: Everybody was to go out and work the land you 487 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 4: could only you're only supposed to take from the grain 488 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 4: barrel what you needed and leave the rest. And of 489 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:29,360 Speaker 4: course people weren't working nearly enough to replace the green barrel. 490 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 4: And after a couple of seasons, John Smith and Virginia 491 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:36,160 Speaker 4: said that's it. He who won't work won't eat, and 492 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 4: he doled out private land holdings, and all of a 493 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 4: sudden they didn't They didn't flourish the way that the 494 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,440 Speaker 4: Plymouth colony did, but they did survive. But in Plymouth, 495 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,560 Speaker 4: Governor Carver, after only one season, said this isn't working, 496 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:55,720 Speaker 4: and he gave out seed to everybody, gave out land 497 00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,560 Speaker 4: to everybody, and says, you're on your own. And as 498 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:02,160 Speaker 4: William Bradford no it in his novel, he said, you know, 499 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,160 Speaker 4: the socialist model. Again, he wouldn't have used that word, 500 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 4: the socialist model. We thought we were wiser than God 501 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 4: in adopting that model. And so the first change that 502 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:20,479 Speaker 4: occurred was in how they approached their basic economy. Second 503 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:24,400 Speaker 4: change that occurred, of course, is that they met the 504 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:28,840 Speaker 4: one Indian in all of North America who spoke English. 505 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 4: Squantos they called him. And you can imagine what a 506 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,760 Speaker 4: shock it was. They're on their hill, they're cutting wood, 507 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,560 Speaker 4: you know, they're they're hunting or whatnot. And two Indians 508 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,600 Speaker 4: come up over the ridge and the Indian walkser and 509 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:43,560 Speaker 4: they're they're getting their guns. They're not sure what to 510 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 4: do in the first Indian goes hello, Englishman, Yes, that 511 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:52,960 Speaker 4: would be like I don't know, arriving on some other 512 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:56,320 Speaker 4: planet and you encountered the reptile people and you immediately 513 00:32:56,360 --> 00:33:00,640 Speaker 4: know who they are, right, So yes, the Indian saw 514 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 4: the arrival of White's particularly. 515 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,360 Speaker 3: But hang but hang but hang on, hang on, hand, 516 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 3: don't don't bury the lead here. Squanto just didn't you know, 517 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 3: it wasn't divine providence. They knew English. Tell the story 518 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:17,280 Speaker 3: that it also tells you the amazing heroism of the 519 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 3: people in Plymouth. Uh, go ahead, How how and why 520 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:25,120 Speaker 3: did Squanto actually not just no English but spoken pretty well, 521 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:25,560 Speaker 3: didn't he? 522 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:31,760 Speaker 4: Squanto was taken as a slave by some explorers. They 523 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:36,760 Speaker 4: got him back to Spain, where he was apparently. All 524 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:40,760 Speaker 4: this is a little questionable because the records of someone's body, 525 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:45,040 Speaker 4: but he apparently was sold to a group of priests 526 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:49,160 Speaker 4: who taught him English and taught him the Bible, of course, 527 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:53,160 Speaker 4: and he became fluent in it. Well. Somehow he ends 528 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:57,719 Speaker 4: up over in in England, where he's kind of a 529 00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,800 Speaker 4: show piece but also kind of a serve around some 530 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:05,080 Speaker 4: of the aristocratic halls and so forth. And it's then 531 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:08,240 Speaker 4: that he's taken back to America on another voyage because 532 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:12,839 Speaker 4: he knows English and knows many of the Indian languages. Now, 533 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:16,160 Speaker 4: as you pointed out, there were civil wars going on 534 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:21,400 Speaker 4: between the Indian tribes. The Narragansett, the Pequots, the Panobscots. 535 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,520 Speaker 4: Many of the tribes up in these areas were constantly 536 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,880 Speaker 4: fighting each other. I used to ask my students, who 537 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,719 Speaker 4: do you think killed the last of the Mohicans the 538 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:35,239 Speaker 4: white Man? No, it was the Hurons. But anyway, so 539 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,439 Speaker 4: he goes all the way around the world, I mean, 540 00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:42,680 Speaker 4: at least the Atlantic world, and comes back to America, 541 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:48,239 Speaker 4: which is when he meets the current residents, the current occupants, 542 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:52,279 Speaker 4: the Pilgrims, and that's when all this takes place, and 543 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:59,320 Speaker 4: so combining the shift from a socialist economy to individual 544 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:05,239 Speaker 4: property owner ship. And Squanto told the Pilgrims about a 545 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:12,320 Speaker 4: number of better ways they could raise corn, raise Indian corn, another, 546 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,640 Speaker 4: all sorts of helpful hints as to how to survive 547 00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:19,000 Speaker 4: here in North America. Again, many of them were farmers. 548 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,280 Speaker 4: It's a nonsense that they didn't know how to farm, 549 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:25,160 Speaker 4: but they didn't know the North American landscape at all. 550 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:29,800 Speaker 4: So by the time they have an early form of capitalism, 551 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:33,359 Speaker 4: combined with the information that Squanto gave them, they had 552 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:38,000 Speaker 4: more than enough. They had what Bradford called abundance. And 553 00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:43,000 Speaker 4: Carver called for a Thanksgiving day to God. There have 554 00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:46,319 Speaker 4: been many thanksgivings in Virginia and elsewhere before then, but 555 00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:51,360 Speaker 4: this is the first official government proclaimed thanksgiving to God, 556 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,640 Speaker 4: and not like what the public school teachers teach it. 557 00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,840 Speaker 4: They weren't thanking the Indians. They were thanking God, and 558 00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:02,720 Speaker 4: they invited over eighty Indians to share in their abundant feast. 559 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,680 Speaker 3: Just to make sure people know Squanto is here, because 560 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,759 Speaker 3: the Mayflower and Jamestown weren't the first people actually to 561 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:17,560 Speaker 3: make it to North America. There had been other traders, freebooters, etc. 562 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,280 Speaker 3: That had actually made it to the shores, and Squanto 563 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,759 Speaker 3: had been picked up or enslaved by some of these 564 00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,160 Speaker 3: I don't call them raiders, but people. They were not 565 00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:29,399 Speaker 3: coming for permanent settlement. They were kind of coming for 566 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,400 Speaker 3: as to do what they could ever do, extracted what 567 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:34,680 Speaker 3: they could extract, and move on. Correct. 568 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, And of course we did have a settlement off 569 00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:43,719 Speaker 4: of the Carolinas Roanoke, and that one disappeared. And to 570 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:47,640 Speaker 4: this day historians are arguing about what the one word 571 00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:51,839 Speaker 4: carved into wood crow a toWin means or meant, But 572 00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:56,239 Speaker 4: there's almost no historical evidence as to what happened to 573 00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,040 Speaker 4: that colony. And of course both the French and the 574 00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:03,360 Speaker 4: Spanish had planted colonies all over other parts of American 575 00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:07,360 Speaker 4: Saint Augustine and then up in Montreal and Quebec and 576 00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:13,040 Speaker 4: those those areas small, small trading areas, but these were 577 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:17,960 Speaker 4: permanent settlements. Especially in the case of the Pilgrims. They 578 00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:21,560 Speaker 4: were going to make, as Winthrop said, a city on 579 00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,200 Speaker 4: a hill. They weren't leaving. They were going to grow. 580 00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:30,160 Speaker 3: Real quickly. The haunting story of Roanoke Island. I mean, 581 00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:33,360 Speaker 3: they came over pretty well situated, and in fact they 582 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,160 Speaker 3: started running out of supplies, and the leaders or some 583 00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:38,200 Speaker 3: of the heads said, hey, let's go back to England 584 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:42,080 Speaker 3: and we'll and we'll go get you know, more material, 585 00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:45,120 Speaker 3: some fresh people, et cetera. And when they got back, 586 00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,160 Speaker 3: they didn't have the money. It took them what three 587 00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:49,359 Speaker 3: or four years, three years I think to actually come 588 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:50,880 Speaker 3: back to return to Roanoke Island. 589 00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:56,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, as I recall the story, the war with Spain 590 00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,840 Speaker 4: and the Spanish Armada intervened in that. And obviously you 591 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:02,560 Speaker 4: weren't going to be sailing a lot of boats out 592 00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:06,120 Speaker 4: while there's ships out in the English Channel shooting at 593 00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:10,719 Speaker 4: each other. So if I recall correctly they got delayed there, 594 00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,760 Speaker 4: but like you say, they came back and no colony. 595 00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,759 Speaker 4: And to this day nobody knows really what happened to them. 596 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,839 Speaker 4: They were captured by Indians. If they'd been wiped out 597 00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:21,680 Speaker 4: by a plague, there would have been bodies, but there 598 00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:22,600 Speaker 4: were no bodies to. 599 00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:25,920 Speaker 3: Be yesh, somehow they look like they marched inland and 600 00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:30,000 Speaker 3: they left that haunting word put into the tree. And 601 00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:35,080 Speaker 3: of course Virginia Dare, the first baby born of European settlers, 602 00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:39,320 Speaker 3: was born in Roanoke Island. It has become very famous 603 00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:43,320 Speaker 3: since then. Odet's going to take us out. Larry Schwikert's 604 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:47,360 Speaker 3: with us, the author Larry the books you have America 605 00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:51,320 Speaker 3: in the twenty first century is coming out when February sixth, 606 00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:56,000 Speaker 3: February said, that's fantastic, and that's basically an update. Is 607 00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,240 Speaker 3: that an update of the first quarter of the century 608 00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:00,720 Speaker 3: of the United States? Is that what that's about. 609 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,919 Speaker 4: Yeah, I could find nobody else working on a real 610 00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:07,080 Speaker 4: textbook of the first quarter century, and so I thought 611 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,960 Speaker 4: we needed to get that said, especially with the right 612 00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:15,239 Speaker 4: political attitude. 613 00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:17,319 Speaker 3: And American American biography is going to come out. That 614 00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:19,120 Speaker 3: will come out in the summer around the fourth of 615 00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:24,080 Speaker 3: job fiftieth. Fathers, Wow, you have a book coming out 616 00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:25,800 Speaker 3: in February and another in June. 617 00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:31,279 Speaker 4: And I've written a curriculum for good government for my 618 00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,600 Speaker 4: history curriculum course while world in History, so we'll have 619 00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:35,600 Speaker 4: that coming out too. 620 00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,320 Speaker 3: Larry Swige, if you are man, that is a machine. 621 00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,760 Speaker 3: People don't realize how hard it is to write these books. 622 00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:47,760 Speaker 3: Incredible stick around. Larry Swiker is with us since Thanksgiving morning. 623 00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:52,080 Speaker 3: We know that you are en route either cooking at 624 00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:55,120 Speaker 3: the location where you're going to have your Thanksgiving today 625 00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:58,160 Speaker 3: and give thanks to God, or you're en route to 626 00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:01,719 Speaker 3: be with family and friends, whichever you are. You're in 627 00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,440 Speaker 3: the war room. And we do this every year. 628 00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:06,360 Speaker 2: With Larry. 629 00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,880 Speaker 3: Just incredible, incredible, incredible guy, incredible knowledge. And now no, 630 00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,640 Speaker 3: he's got two books coming out in twenty twenty six 631 00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:17,880 Speaker 3: to two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of the commencement of 632 00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:21,720 Speaker 3: the birth of our country. Where we're talking about today 633 00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,840 Speaker 3: goes a little before the actual birth of the United States, 634 00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:28,399 Speaker 3: at the beginning and founding of America. Short commercial break 635 00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,360 Speaker 3: back in a moment, I have. 636 00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:35,840 Speaker 8: Read a fiery gospel written burnished Rose of steel. 637 00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,840 Speaker 5: As you deal with my condemners, so with you, my 638 00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:44,200 Speaker 5: grace shall deal that the hero born of woman brush 639 00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:45,440 Speaker 5: the serpent. 640 00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:45,959 Speaker 6: With his heir. 641 00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:57,759 Speaker 7: His truth is margin gor. 642 00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:16,000 Speaker 1: We've come to the time in the season one, Family 643 00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:17,120 Speaker 1: and Back. 644 00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:18,719 Speaker 3: That's Jenny Cash. We're going to play all of it 645 00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,960 Speaker 3: at the top of the at the top of the hour, Larry, 646 00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:24,520 Speaker 3: one thing you can when you say about the four 647 00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:29,080 Speaker 3: pillars of American exceptionalism, when you get to private property, 648 00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:34,560 Speaker 3: you always throw in with written was it written deeds 649 00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:36,840 Speaker 3: and contracts? What's the phrase that you always put it 650 00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:40,200 Speaker 3: that you go private property with boom? And what do 651 00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:40,680 Speaker 3: you say? 652 00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:44,680 Speaker 4: Written titles and deeds? And that's so important? 653 00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:47,040 Speaker 3: Why is Larry? Why is Larry soyk? Could you always 654 00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,120 Speaker 3: make a point to add that why. 655 00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,920 Speaker 4: There's parts of Africa to this day that do not 656 00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:56,200 Speaker 4: deal in written titles and deeds. It is a key 657 00:41:56,440 --> 00:42:01,120 Speaker 4: aspect of economic growth because if you want to use 658 00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:06,320 Speaker 4: you know, there's a guy named who did the book 659 00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:09,399 Speaker 4: The Mystery of Capital. Okay I'm forgetting his name right now, 660 00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,720 Speaker 4: but anyway, he did this book, The Mystery of Capital, 661 00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,680 Speaker 4: and he looked at what was missing in all of 662 00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:20,160 Speaker 4: these nations that have some form of capitalism, but they 663 00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:24,160 Speaker 4: are still extremely poor. And one of the leading elements 664 00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:26,280 Speaker 4: is that many of them still do not have written 665 00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:30,160 Speaker 4: titles indeeds. So if you want to grow your business 666 00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,520 Speaker 4: and get a loan from a bank, you're going to 667 00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:36,400 Speaker 4: have to put up collateral. And when you put up collateral, 668 00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:38,720 Speaker 4: you're going to have to have written titles and deeds 669 00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,800 Speaker 4: to whether it's your house or your car, whatever else 670 00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:45,799 Speaker 4: it is that's securing that loan. If countries don't have that. 671 00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,920 Speaker 4: And Hernando was a DeSoto I think, is the guy 672 00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:53,440 Speaker 4: who wrote Mystery Capital. He looked at several of these 673 00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,560 Speaker 4: regions and they don't have that, And it would take 674 00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:02,360 Speaker 4: between one hundred and fifty steps just to get something registered. 675 00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:04,759 Speaker 4: I mean I filled out a car registration yesterday in 676 00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:08,920 Speaker 4: ten minutes. So this is a very important key element 677 00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:12,640 Speaker 4: of America's pass that we just glide by because it's 678 00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:14,919 Speaker 4: so common to all of us these days. But there's 679 00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:20,839 Speaker 4: parts of the world still struggling with this. Oh and still, 680 00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:24,000 Speaker 4: let me remind you one more thing. What I call 681 00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:28,879 Speaker 4: the most important law in American history, even before the Constitution, 682 00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:32,440 Speaker 4: was the Land Ordinance of seventeen eighty five. And what 683 00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:36,080 Speaker 4: did that do. That set up a series of surveys 684 00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,960 Speaker 4: in the old Northwest, starting in Ohio going all the 685 00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:42,520 Speaker 4: way out to Illinois Wisconsin, that would sell off land 686 00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:44,879 Speaker 4: at a buck and a quarter an acre and give 687 00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:49,640 Speaker 4: you a written title, indeed. And it broke up the 688 00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:53,560 Speaker 4: countryside into sections and townships of square miles, and as 689 00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:56,399 Speaker 4: soon as you would fill up one section, you'd move 690 00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:58,720 Speaker 4: on to the next section. This is all for protection 691 00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:03,520 Speaker 4: against Indians. Well, we're Americans, damn it, I'm American. I'm 692 00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:05,800 Speaker 4: going to go settle where I want. And people began 693 00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:09,920 Speaker 4: running out, settling in many of the unsurveyed areas. And 694 00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:14,960 Speaker 4: so we had a clash between written titles and deeds 695 00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:18,520 Speaker 4: and common law, which says, the people know what they're doing. 696 00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:21,640 Speaker 4: The people know this. So Congress sided with the people, 697 00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:24,319 Speaker 4: and it drafted a law called pre emption, what we 698 00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:27,560 Speaker 4: call squatter's rights, which says you can go out and 699 00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:30,200 Speaker 4: if you can find land that nobody is on, and 700 00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:32,880 Speaker 4: you can stay there seven years and build a house, 701 00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:35,600 Speaker 4: you can claim ownership to that land by law and 702 00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:39,600 Speaker 4: get your own title indeed. And so when you fly 703 00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:43,240 Speaker 4: across America from the east to the west, you'll notice 704 00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:46,480 Speaker 4: in the east, especially when I was teaching Ohio, you 705 00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:49,280 Speaker 4: fly over Ohio and you look out the plane window 706 00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,680 Speaker 4: and you see what looks like a jigsaw puzzle of property. 707 00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:54,920 Speaker 4: And that's because so many of these people had not 708 00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:58,280 Speaker 4: waited for the survey. They said, well, my land runs 709 00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:01,560 Speaker 4: from the creek down there to the that mountain over 710 00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:03,879 Speaker 4: that big rock that looks like Jimmy Durandy, and then 711 00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,440 Speaker 4: back here down here, and they would draw that up 712 00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:10,640 Speaker 4: and take it into a assay office or a government office. 713 00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:13,640 Speaker 4: Then it would be certified that that's their land. As 714 00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:15,960 Speaker 4: you move further west, though, you look out your plane 715 00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:19,640 Speaker 4: window and what do you see? Nice squares because everything 716 00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,440 Speaker 4: had finally been surveyed by the time they got out west. 717 00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:27,520 Speaker 3: What were there titles? Indeed, the Pilgrims are more communal 718 00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:30,839 Speaker 3: than the Jamestown crowd, right, although both of them had 719 00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:32,640 Speaker 3: a kind of a more of a social system. It's 720 00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:35,160 Speaker 3: only when they kind of went to but did they 721 00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:38,080 Speaker 3: have individual titles and deeds? And when you go to 722 00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:42,000 Speaker 3: Plymouth today and they've got the recreation of the village, 723 00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:46,040 Speaker 3: were those individual titles and deeds that people had for 724 00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:47,320 Speaker 3: their own private property? 725 00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:51,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean you would get your title deed for 726 00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:54,680 Speaker 4: a lot in the city. I think Bradford's lot is 727 00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:59,279 Speaker 4: still there, and it might take a while, but eventually 728 00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:03,480 Speaker 4: you would get that piece of paper, which was it's crucial. 729 00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:05,839 Speaker 4: It's amazing how one little piece of paper can be 730 00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,240 Speaker 4: so important, said every man who's ever been married. 731 00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:15,160 Speaker 3: Before we go to break here at the top of 732 00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:19,080 Speaker 3: the hour. Mayflower Compact. They knew even when they arrived 733 00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:22,399 Speaker 3: there might be an issue the Mayfair Compact, which you had. 734 00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:24,680 Speaker 3: You had a long time to kind of figure out 735 00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:26,520 Speaker 3: how this thing was going to be governed. Why did 736 00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:28,839 Speaker 3: they wait till the last second? And then they came 737 00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:33,000 Speaker 3: up with one of the most profound foundational documents in 738 00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:33,960 Speaker 3: American history. 739 00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:37,520 Speaker 4: I think the reason they waited, and I can't prove this, 740 00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:40,400 Speaker 4: but I think the reason they waited was it's always 741 00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:45,640 Speaker 4: dangerous to try to restructure a government at sea. You know, 742 00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:49,440 Speaker 4: at sea, the captain is the government, he's the sole government. 743 00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:54,280 Speaker 4: And so they didn't want any conflict between a newly 744 00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:57,840 Speaker 4: elected governor from the body of people and the captain. 745 00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:01,760 Speaker 4: You saw the same thing actually Jamestown, where Captain John 746 00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:06,240 Speaker 4: Smith had been put in the brig on board ship 747 00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,600 Speaker 4: for being a little too boisterous about what he was 748 00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:11,960 Speaker 4: going to do. But his name was one of the 749 00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:17,080 Speaker 4: seven administrators that was named there from England, so I 750 00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:19,839 Speaker 4: think that they didn't want to rock the boat, so 751 00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:21,560 Speaker 4: to speak. But we do need to get back to 752 00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:23,920 Speaker 4: this because the Mayflower Compact is very important. 753 00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:26,399 Speaker 3: Okay, we're going to do that in the next hour. 754 00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:30,560 Speaker 3: By the way, Nate Morris from the Commonwealth of Kentucky 755 00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:34,360 Speaker 3: is going to actually come in the beginning of the 756 00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:38,200 Speaker 3: next hour, and I think we may have a couple 757 00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:40,520 Speaker 3: of a little bit of discussion. But the Land Ordnance 758 00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:45,560 Speaker 3: is seventeen eighty five. If you watch, if you watch 759 00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:49,600 Speaker 3: Ken Burns's The American Revolution, Larry that when you get time. 760 00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:52,279 Speaker 3: I know you're busy doing your books, but it makes 761 00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:54,759 Speaker 3: a very big deal about the Ohio Valley and the 762 00:47:54,840 --> 00:48:00,200 Speaker 3: Indian Lands. It's the sole purpose of the revolution. A 763 00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:02,200 Speaker 3: few wo moments, I actually liked it quite a bit. 764 00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:05,600 Speaker 3: I like the Burns' Revolution quite a bit, although there 765 00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:10,040 Speaker 3: were being ken Burns you're gonna get some woke, right, but. 766 00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:14,200 Speaker 4: He's talking about the Proclamation line of seventeen sixty three, 767 00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:15,560 Speaker 4: not the Land Order. 768 00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:18,759 Speaker 3: Yes, well, no, no, no, But it projected out that 769 00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:22,279 Speaker 3: eventually you would get to that the purpose was to 770 00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:24,319 Speaker 3: get to the land, not just keeping us back, but 771 00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:27,799 Speaker 3: the the you know, Indian lands, native lands were the 772 00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,839 Speaker 3: where the which the land orders. I think went over 773 00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:33,160 Speaker 3: and gave the orders. So anyway, we'll talk about the 774 00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:37,880 Speaker 3: next hour, short commercial break back on Thanksgiving Day. Doctor 775 00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:42,440 Speaker 3: Larry Schwikert, author co author The Patriot's History of These 776 00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:43,640 Speaker 3: United States. 777 00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:47,200 Speaker 5: Back in the moment my gracel deal that the hero 778 00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:49,480 Speaker 5: born woman rushed. 779 00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:54,319 Speaker 9: The serpent with his heir, his truth, his margin 780 00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:01,160 Speaker 4: Fie