WEBVTT - 7: The Fool's Golden Rule (Espiritismo and Spiritual Churches)

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to try something a little different, and by

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<v Speaker 1>something a little different, I do mean go to a

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<v Speaker 1>haunted museum. The library at Cassadega offered a number of

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<v Speaker 1>interesting offerings when it came to spiritualist literature, but not

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<v Speaker 1>much in the way of cultures existing outside of the

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<v Speaker 1>white metal class in the nineteenth and twentieth century. So

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<v Speaker 1>I'm hoping that Sea Green's Haunted History House and Museum

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<v Speaker 1>will be better. It's in this little purple building near

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<v Speaker 1>the teeny tiny post office that's almost always closing, and

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<v Speaker 1>it looks and sounds like a bit of a tourist trap.

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<v Speaker 1>But I happen to know that it used to be

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<v Speaker 1>a Cassadega History museum before being rebranded to be a

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<v Speaker 1>little more pop culture touristy, and I hope there's still

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<v Speaker 1>some of that inside. It's not like an official part

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<v Speaker 1>of the camp and is not claimed or vetted by

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<v Speaker 1>the mediums. So you'd think that Sea Greens can get

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<v Speaker 1>a little loosey goosey punk rock with how they present

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<v Speaker 1>their history. Ten bucks later, I'm in. Actually, I did

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<v Speaker 1>have to gently reject the manager who was trying to

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<v Speaker 1>sell me a haunted doll for twenty dollars on the

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<v Speaker 1>way in. Like, look, I have twenty dollars, but I

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<v Speaker 1>just don't want a haunted doll. I'm flying spirit airlines

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<v Speaker 1>on the way home. Do you really think we can

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<v Speaker 1>afford the risk? We cannot. But I'm in the museum,

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<v Speaker 1>and as I suspected, a lot of newspaper clippings and

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<v Speaker 1>primary resources around Cassadega and twentieth century spiritualism are still here.

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<v Speaker 1>It's really just a matter of finding them among the

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<v Speaker 1>many framed movie posters, and my favorite, a full sized

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<v Speaker 1>jigsaw doll on a little tricycle jigsaw from Saw. Actually,

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<v Speaker 1>if you haven't seen Saw, stop the podcast right now

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<v Speaker 1>and go watch Saw. At least Saw one. Some of

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<v Speaker 1>the best sociological storytelling of our lifetimes is contained in

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<v Speaker 1>James Wand's Saw Saga. Actually, on one of my first

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<v Speaker 1>dates with the guy that I eventually lost my virginity too,

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<v Speaker 1>on August two ten, we watched five Saw movies in

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<v Speaker 1>one sitting. Did not take a peabreak, did not kiss,

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<v Speaker 1>should have married him, didn't became a comedian. You know

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<v Speaker 1>where that gets you? You start doing some gonzo stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>Where does that get you? I'll tell you where that

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<v Speaker 1>gets you Central Florida in the middle of the day

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<v Speaker 1>in a haunted museum, sitting next to a jigsaw doll

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<v Speaker 1>the size of a human three year old. Not too bad.

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<v Speaker 1>I have no regrets. To quote a hot Dog Bun

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<v Speaker 1>I saw in Toledo last summer, we wear the chains

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<v Speaker 1>we forge in life, which I agree with the spirit

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<v Speaker 1>of There's other factors at play, for sure, but I

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<v Speaker 1>see where the hot Dog Bun was going with it.

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<v Speaker 1>Where are we We're at a haunted museum, and honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>there's more useful information here than I was expecting. There's

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<v Speaker 1>acknowledgement of the Fox sisters, for example, including the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that they had claimed at one time that spiritualism was

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<v Speaker 1>a hoax. The museum also includes the admission that spiritualism

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<v Speaker 1>had experienced a decline in the late nineteenth century, something

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<v Speaker 1>you would not catch the camp sanctioned mediums fessing up to.

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<v Speaker 1>There are some references to indigenous culture, but they're about

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<v Speaker 1>on par as anywhere else in the camp. There's this

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<v Speaker 1>small room right past the entrance that references Native culture.

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<v Speaker 1>They certainly have more books than the library did on

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<v Speaker 1>the subject. But the twist is you're not allowed to

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<v Speaker 1>touch the books. Here there's this little laser jet printed

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<v Speaker 1>sign with a drawing of the girl from the movie

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<v Speaker 1>The Ring, the one who crawls out of the TV

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<v Speaker 1>seven Days to Live. The sign says this, please don't

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<v Speaker 1>touch books. Some are so old they will fall apart.

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<v Speaker 1>Some are haunted. Either way, it won't work out well

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<v Speaker 1>for you. Thanks management and the indigenous imagery they do

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<v Speaker 1>use in the room ranges from innocuous to outright offensive.

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<v Speaker 1>There's this flickering red light bulb to set the tone

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<v Speaker 1>for the haunted museum. There's a couple of figurines depicting

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<v Speaker 1>Native life. There's the first of many scary mannequins scattered

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<v Speaker 1>throughout the building that the owners dressed in iParty costumes

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<v Speaker 1>to fit the theme of any given room, and make

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<v Speaker 1>no mistake, I love the haunted mannequins, but the haunted

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<v Speaker 1>mannequin in the Indigenous History room does seem to be

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<v Speaker 1>wearing a costume that was left over from Disney's Pocahontas,

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<v Speaker 1>so not great representation wise. In a different room, there's

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<v Speaker 1>a mention of voodoo practices in New Orleans, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>only in passing. Mostly just a couple of tourist posters

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<v Speaker 1>for other places in New Orleans. But even this is

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<v Speaker 1>more acknowledgment of other spiritual idea as in cultures. Then

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<v Speaker 1>most areas of the camp will do. I need to

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<v Speaker 1>get back to these mannequins for a second. The second

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<v Speaker 1>mannequin you encounter at Sea Green's haunted History House and

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<v Speaker 1>Museum has been attempted to be dressed as the Cassadega

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<v Speaker 1>Camp founder George Colby. Now the management must know they're

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<v Speaker 1>not dressing the mannequins very convincingly. This one, for example,

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<v Speaker 1>is a female coated mannequin wearing a Mark Twain wig,

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<v Speaker 1>complete with handlebar mustache and a suit that is at

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<v Speaker 1>least two sizes too large, So you can only tell

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<v Speaker 1>who the mannequin is intended to be by the sticky

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<v Speaker 1>hello my name is George name tag they've attached to

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<v Speaker 1>the lapel. But even around this silly mannequin, there are

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<v Speaker 1>some little historical documents. In this case. Newspaper articles from

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<v Speaker 1>the eighties and nineties headlines like Cassadega mediums have the

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<v Speaker 1>right spirit, spiritualists converse with the dead and living tourists

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<v Speaker 1>and a very optimistic Cassadega springing back after a period

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<v Speaker 1>of decline. There's also some esoteric history I've never heard

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<v Speaker 1>about until coming here. One exhibit shows letters between President

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<v Speaker 1>Harry Truman and a d o J employee named William Underhill,

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<v Speaker 1>who was a spiritualist and at one time managed the

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<v Speaker 1>Cassadega Hotel. So it has its problems, but Sea Green's

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<v Speaker 1>Haunted History House and Museum is iconic. They get all

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<v Speaker 1>of the history out of the way in their first

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<v Speaker 1>couple of rooms and then just make a hard mostly

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<v Speaker 1>irrelevant to spiritualism, pivot into ghostie pop culture and media.

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<v Speaker 1>After that. Instead of, for example, a room full of

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<v Speaker 1>information on spiritism and a spiritismo, there's a whole wall

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<v Speaker 1>of framed pictures of those neckbeards on the Sci Fi

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<v Speaker 1>channel who claimed to hunt ghosts. There are brief, factually

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<v Speaker 1>questionable explainers on things like tarot cards, reading tea leaves, palmistry, astrology,

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<v Speaker 1>a pile of Jack Skellington toys. Why not, and not

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<v Speaker 1>to go back to the mannequins again, But since I

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<v Speaker 1>know you're curious, here are my top three mannequins. At

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<v Speaker 1>the first is a woman dressed as a pilgrim who

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<v Speaker 1>has my haircut, and her name tag reads hello, my

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<v Speaker 1>name is Priscilla, the Puritan Queen of the desk Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Coming in at number two. Male mannequin dressed in iParty

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<v Speaker 1>griffin door robes. His name tag says hello, my name

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<v Speaker 1>is Neville. Then my bottom is not that long? Horrible. Finally,

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<v Speaker 1>a mannequin that is also a huge gorilla wearing sunglasses,

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<v Speaker 1>a hat from disney World and a Pride bandanna with

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<v Speaker 1>a name tag that says, and you're not ready for this? Hello,

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<v Speaker 1>my name is George. There's two. George is the founder

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<v Speaker 1>of the camp and also a gay gorilla. Amazing. No

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<v Speaker 1>notes if you don't want to visit this museum at

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<v Speaker 1>this point, I don't know how else to sell you on.

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<v Speaker 1>The history here is minimal. For sure. There's no reason

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<v Speaker 1>a history museum needs a wall full of clown masks,

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<v Speaker 1>or a wall full of dead baby dolls, or a

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<v Speaker 1>whole room dedicated to things that are just vaguely scary.

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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't get a read for the theme on this room.

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<v Speaker 1>It's madness, it's anarchy. But it's also the only place

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<v Speaker 1>you see even an attempt to touch on other spiritually

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<v Speaker 1>based religions. However poorly done. And it's poorly done. So

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<v Speaker 1>this week on Ghoest Church, I want to create a

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<v Speaker 1>little audio room for two religious movements that were heavily

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<v Speaker 1>influenced by American spiritualism, A Spiritismo and the Black spiritual

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<v Speaker 1>Churches of America. So hop on your tricycle, my little jigsaw,

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<v Speaker 1>because the theme song is I'm bailing on It. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>bailing on It. Music playing us jash and good look.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to my little slice of central Floridian paradise

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<v Speaker 1>where I'm returning to my hot waterless hotel room at

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<v Speaker 1>the Hotel CASTI day go to sit through the notes

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<v Speaker 1>I took away from the library the evening before. It

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<v Speaker 1>was a weird night in more ways than one, but

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<v Speaker 1>there's no time to think about that right now. Instead,

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<v Speaker 1>I flipped through the pictures I took on my phone

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<v Speaker 1>of book pages that stuck out to me in the moment,

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<v Speaker 1>and I asked my spirit guides, which I'm remembering correctly,

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<v Speaker 1>is a guy named Dawn, a lady named Helen, a swan,

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<v Speaker 1>and two archangels. I asked them to show me something.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's what I know. Spiritualism was far from the only

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<v Speaker 1>white dominant religion to make their way on stolen land

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<v Speaker 1>in Florida during the late nineteenth century. Baptists and Methodists

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<v Speaker 1>came to the area less than twenty years before, and

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<v Speaker 1>Protestants only had a twenty three year head start on

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<v Speaker 1>the Spiritualists in forming a permanent presence in Volutia County.

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't aware of the majority of the actual history

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<v Speaker 1>behind the land that Cassadega was settled on when I

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<v Speaker 1>arrived at the library in town for my two hour

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<v Speaker 1>cram session. I wanted to sort of experiment and see

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<v Speaker 1>how much the library would teach me and how vested

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<v Speaker 1>the spiritualists who lived there now are in acknowledging any

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<v Speaker 1>history that isn't directly taken from the mouths of settlers

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<v Speaker 1>who got them started. As you know by now, there

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't too much. One of the books had caught my

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<v Speaker 1>attention from across the room. Had had this bright blue

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<v Speaker 1>cover a little older and in gold script it said

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<v Speaker 1>what is spiritualism and who are these spiritualists? And I thought, yeah, exactly,

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<v Speaker 1>I should call my podcast that I want to know.

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<v Speaker 1>So I opened the book the page eight and there

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<v Speaker 1>is a prominent heading that reads spiritualism is not spiritism,

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<v Speaker 1>So let me be the first to say yes, m no,

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<v Speaker 1>they are not the same systems of belief, but, like

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<v Speaker 1>their names would indicate, there is a lot of shared

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<v Speaker 1>history and ideas between these movements. But this book is

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<v Speaker 1>pretty aggressive in distancing spiritism. Page eight reads this spiritualism

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<v Speaker 1>must be differentiated from spiritism. The terminologies of the two

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<v Speaker 1>words absolutely necessitate, as every scholar knows entirely different meanings.

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<v Speaker 1>Chinese Indians and Utah Mormons are spiritists believing in present

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<v Speaker 1>spirit communications. Most of the African tribes of the Dark

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<v Speaker 1>Continent worshiped demons believe in spirit converse, but certainly they

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<v Speaker 1>are not intelligent religious spiritualists. Holy shit. In addition to

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<v Speaker 1>being outwardly racist, most of this information is wrong, and

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<v Speaker 1>so to any current practicing spiritualists that denies a history

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<v Speaker 1>of racism within the religion, that's your book, you guys.

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<v Speaker 1>It's likely that spiritism specific glee as being singled out

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<v Speaker 1>here because of its popularity among people in Puerto Rico, Cuba,

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<v Speaker 1>and Brazil. So this library does mention spiritism, sure, but

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<v Speaker 1>not in a kind way, which is a shame, because

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<v Speaker 1>spiritism is inherently influenced by spiritualism and is the core

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<v Speaker 1>of Espiritismo, possibly the widest practiced version of spiritualism today.

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<v Speaker 1>So a quick history, So how do you get from

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<v Speaker 1>spiritualism to a spiritismo? In short, Hydesville and the Fox

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<v Speaker 1>Sisters led to spiritualism. In the eighteen forties, Spiritualism inspired

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<v Speaker 1>a French guy named Alan Cardick. Alan Cardeck did some

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<v Speaker 1>investigations of spiritualist phenomena and modified the beliefs to call

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<v Speaker 1>it spiritism. Cardick writes a book that arrives in Latin

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<v Speaker 1>America and is a huge hit. In Latin America, there

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<v Speaker 1>were large amounts of people from Africa brought and enslaved

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<v Speaker 1>by colonizers, which led to blending their spiritual traditions with

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<v Speaker 1>cardex ideas that were popping off in the area. And

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<v Speaker 1>this is approximately how a spiritusm began, a variation on

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<v Speaker 1>American spiritualism, whose exact beliefs and rituals vary with some

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<v Speaker 1>significance depending on the region it's being practiced in. The

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<v Speaker 1>most popular areas include Brazil, Cuba, and Puerto Rico, and

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<v Speaker 1>each branch is influenced by some degree by the indigenous

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<v Speaker 1>cultures of these countries and indigenous African spirituality. So to start,

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<v Speaker 1>who is Alan Cardik? First things first, that's not his

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<v Speaker 1>real name. His real name sounds expensive. It's hippolyte Leon

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<v Speaker 1>de nizard reveil Okay King Mr. Four names. Was raised

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<v Speaker 1>in France as a Roman Catholic the early eighteen hundreds

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<v Speaker 1>and didn't develop an interest in even the concept of

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<v Speaker 1>the seance until he was in his fifties and encountered spiritualism,

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<v Speaker 1>so he became interested in the movement the Fox Sisters

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<v Speaker 1>had began around the same time a lot of people did,

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<v Speaker 1>but he approached examining spiritualist phenomena with the mind of

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<v Speaker 1>an academic kind of skeptically, and so upon investigating on

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<v Speaker 1>his own terms, he was quick to dismiss Franz Mesmer's

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<v Speaker 1>theory of animal magnetism and stated on many occasions that

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<v Speaker 1>there was a high likelihood that there was some fraudulence

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<v Speaker 1>at play with a lot of the medium's working, particularly

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<v Speaker 1>those that were doing the really spectacular physical stuff, but

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't think it was all bullshit. Alan Cardick did

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<v Speaker 1>not claim or endorse the full spectrum of spiritualist phenomena

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<v Speaker 1>and all of its spirit photography habitet acts, spirit hands,

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<v Speaker 1>and ectoplasm. And I know I still have to tell

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<v Speaker 1>you about ectoplasm, but it's not going to happen this week.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's going to happen next week, So relax. Hell.

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<v Speaker 1>After investigating Alan Cardick boiled down his beliefs to the

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<v Speaker 1>following simple statements. True mediums could provide information that they

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't have known at the beginning of a reading. True

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<v Speaker 1>mediums could demonstrate the skills a spirit had that they

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<v Speaker 1>themselves didn't possess. I think a specific handwriting, speaking the

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<v Speaker 1>language they didn't know. All that good stuff. And finally,

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<v Speaker 1>true mediums were able to communicate or even mimic the

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<v Speaker 1>personality of a specific individual that had died. Cardiac called

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<v Speaker 1>his scale back belief system Spiritism Original tent out of ten,

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<v Speaker 1>and he published his first and most successful book on

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<v Speaker 1>the subject, which was basically five hundred or so question

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<v Speaker 1>and answers on what spiritism did and did not endorse

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<v Speaker 1>in eighteen fifty seven. And if you thought the belief

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<v Speaker 1>system sounded like a ripoff of spiritualism, wait till you

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<v Speaker 1>hear the name of his book. It is the Spirit's Book. Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, look, he was an academic. He was not

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<v Speaker 1>an artiste. Not everyone to think of an incredible name

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<v Speaker 1>like ghost Church, which I did not think of. My

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<v Speaker 1>producer Sophie thought of it, so thank you Sophie. Anyways,

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<v Speaker 1>as creative genius Alan Cardiac explained it, spiritism was about

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<v Speaker 1>uniting three of the main interests of the nineteenth century together,

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<v Speaker 1>those being science, philosophy, and religion under a singular belief system.

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<v Speaker 1>In some ways, it was much easier to buy into

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<v Speaker 1>Spiritism because of its clarity. The Fox sisters had assembled

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<v Speaker 1>the belief system of Spiritualism kind of in real time

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<v Speaker 1>in this chaotic way, and didn't have a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>control over dictating what they did and did not think

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<v Speaker 1>was real. In the case of Cardec and Spiritism, the

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<v Speaker 1>Spirit's Book was far better equipped to serve as a

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<v Speaker 1>sort of alleged scientific endorsement to mediumship as well as

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<v Speaker 1>I viewing the moralistic ideas that tend to define religion,

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<v Speaker 1>and for its time, it's a pretty progressive text. It

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<v Speaker 1>endorses the idea of evolution, a theory that some public

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<v Speaker 1>schools still won't teach, and at the time Darwin's theory

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<v Speaker 1>had been published less than twenty years before Cardek started writing.

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<v Speaker 1>The book also incorporated Eastern reincarnative ideas in a way

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<v Speaker 1>that spiritualism proper always skewed a little too Christian to

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<v Speaker 1>commit to. Many branches of a spiritismo uses Cardek's work

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<v Speaker 1>heavily influenced by spiritualism as sort of the foundation. In general,

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<v Speaker 1>a spiritismo requires belief in an omnipotent God and belief

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<v Speaker 1>in the spirit realm. Like American spiritualism's sexy signature blend

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<v Speaker 1>of a non wrathful but still basically Christian God without

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<v Speaker 1>all of the heaven, hell and brimstone. A spiritismo believes

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<v Speaker 1>that spirits inhabiting our bodies can evolve over time in

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<v Speaker 1>their morality, and that communication with a spiritistas or mediums

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<v Speaker 1>basically will help facilitate this process of growth. Other shared

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<v Speaker 1>practices include trans mediumship, or a medium's ability to become

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<v Speaker 1>possessed by a spirit and completely change their voice and

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<v Speaker 1>mannerisms in the process. You might remember this phenomena when

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<v Speaker 1>I shared a clip of Reverend Dr Louis Keith channeling Lucerne.

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<v Speaker 1>You pick your time of us down to the very

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<v Speaker 1>second of your all time. You pick your time when

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<v Speaker 1>you enter this aspect and you pick your birthdage months day.

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<v Speaker 1>You pick your name long before you get here, whether

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<v Speaker 1>you like it or not. Another blend of indigenous traditions

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<v Speaker 1>combining with spiritualist ideas was the a spiritus most spin

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<v Speaker 1>on the seance, the mesa or mass that required practitioners

0:20:18.119 --> 0:20:22.879
<v Speaker 1>gather around a mesa or table, often with additional rituals

0:20:23.400 --> 0:20:27.919
<v Speaker 1>or embellished altars that could include goblets of water flowers,

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<v Speaker 1>small statues and figurines, tobacco and candles. Music can be

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<v Speaker 1>integral to the experience. In her paper Spiritist mediumship as

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<v Speaker 1>historical mediation African American pasts, Black ancestral presence, and Afro

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<v Speaker 1>Cuban religions. Researcher Elizabeth Perez described lyrics that maybe understood

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<v Speaker 1>as products of the Cuban and Puerto Rican histories from

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<v Speaker 1>which they emerged, rich in the experiences of women, persons

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<v Speaker 1>of African descent, and those from the lower classes, excluded

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<v Speaker 1>from the official histories, yet still resonant to day. Unlike

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<v Speaker 1>spiritualists in Cassadega, those practicing a spiritismo tend towards group sciences,

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<v Speaker 1>not the one on one sessions that are commonly practiced

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<v Speaker 1>in Lily Dale, Cassadega, and other camps. So Alan Cardix book.

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<v Speaker 1>The Spirits Book became very popular in several countries that

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<v Speaker 1>were in a state of physically and intellectually violent colonial

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<v Speaker 1>flux throughout the nineteenth century, and the branches that develop

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<v Speaker 1>tend to be very specific to the culture, history, and

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<v Speaker 1>moment of the area they existed in. I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>give examples of a few different branches here, including Puerto

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<v Speaker 1>rican A Spiritismo, a Spiritismo de cardon A, Spiritismo Cruisal,

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<v Speaker 1>and Santa Rismo, each having very unique traditions. Let's start

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<v Speaker 1>in Puerto Rico. Puerto Rico had been colonized by Spain

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<v Speaker 1>back in the fifteen hundreds. Spain brought disease and religion

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<v Speaker 1>and kidnapped enslaved people, and like most imperialists and express

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<v Speaker 1>desire to quash the indigenous cultures and practices that predated

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<v Speaker 1>their invasion. Many African enslaved people, forcibly brought to the

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<v Speaker 1>region were from the Yoruba land region of Africa that

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<v Speaker 1>includes what is now Nigeria, the Binian Republic, and Toba.

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<v Speaker 1>Their beliefs included spirit communication and many different gods and goddesses,

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<v Speaker 1>just as different indigenous American groups slowly pooled their ideas

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<v Speaker 1>with other groups, tribes, and often escaped slaves taking refuge

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<v Speaker 1>in Spanish Florida, a new system of beliefs began to emerge,

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<v Speaker 1>what is now known as Puerto Rican espiritismo. This combination

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<v Speaker 1>of Yoruba practices and that of indigenous Puerto Rican people

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<v Speaker 1>known as Tanos, also brought in the concept of metaphysical

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<v Speaker 1>healing and the use of some physical mediumship meaning tobacco spells, etcetera,

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<v Speaker 1>and even some Spanish folk medicine found its way into

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<v Speaker 1>the evolving spiritual culture. The concept of healing was a

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<v Speaker 1>significant part of a spiritismo, to the point where an

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<v Speaker 1>entire branch, a Spiritismo di Cordon, was built around the concept.

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<v Speaker 1>These sounds like rituals would generally consist of a circle

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<v Speaker 1>of people chanting, swinging their arms and beating the floor

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<v Speaker 1>until a hypnotic trance state was achieved. It's said to

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<v Speaker 1>be a very intense ritual mentally, physically, emotionally, with no

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<v Speaker 1>real leadership system except for a head medium who would

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<v Speaker 1>purify the room to protect others from bad spirits before

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<v Speaker 1>a ritual began. What I also think is really interesting

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<v Speaker 1>is that these ceremonies tend to have a very open

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<v Speaker 1>door policy. This particular branch blended elements of Catholicism, Kardecian

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<v Speaker 1>Spiritism which does sound like star Trek, and Tana religious rituals,

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<v Speaker 1>implementing dances called aratos. Alan Cardick's work became popular among

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<v Speaker 1>different classes in different ways. Different classes tended to practice

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<v Speaker 1>with different ceremonies, and the upper class remained most engaged

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<v Speaker 1>in espiritismo during wartime. A good example of this is

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<v Speaker 1>the Ten Years War, a conflict that began in eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>sixty eight in which Cuba fought Spain for their independence

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<v Speaker 1>and were supported by Puerto Rican, Mexican, and Dominican volunteer

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<v Speaker 1>troops who shared their struggle. This was the most engaged

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<v Speaker 1>the middle class had ever been with the movement, as

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<v Speaker 1>they began to lose soldiers who they knew. This is

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<v Speaker 1>very similar to what was happening in the Continental US

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<v Speaker 1>with the Civil War around the same time. Because of

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<v Speaker 1>the variety of blended cultures and political tensions, even war

0:25:00.280 --> 0:25:04.359
<v Speaker 1>branches of a spiritismo developed in Puerto Rico. One leaned

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<v Speaker 1>further into cardex work and was called White Table a

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<v Speaker 1>Spiritismo for the seance table, while others used American spiritualisms

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<v Speaker 1>increasing popularity as a means to practice their indigenous religion

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<v Speaker 1>that had been deemed uncivilized by the imperialists, such as

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<v Speaker 1>the Congo religion. Over in Cuba, losses from the Ten

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<v Speaker 1>Years War increased a spiritis most popularity and spiritual beliefs

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<v Speaker 1>brought by an increasing number of enslaved African people helped

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<v Speaker 1>shape the ideas further. For the record, slavery was not

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<v Speaker 1>abolished in this area until eighteen eighty six. This particular

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<v Speaker 1>offshoot was called a spiritismo cruise Ou, which pulled from

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<v Speaker 1>some Catholicism and another African diasporic religion called Palo that

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<v Speaker 1>developed among enslaved people in Cuba. They would use Palo

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<v Speaker 1>cauldrons and others significant objects while still observing Catholic saints.

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<v Speaker 1>Because this branch was innovated and frequently observed by enslaved people,

0:26:08.480 --> 0:26:12.840
<v Speaker 1>spirits channeled would often be deceased enslaved people who spoke

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<v Speaker 1>Bosol Spanish, which was a dialect that was developed out

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<v Speaker 1>of necessity that combined the colonizing enslaver's language with ki Congo,

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<v Speaker 1>a Bantu language spoken by enslaved people who were originally

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<v Speaker 1>from the Congo. This branch of the spiritismo is alter heavy.

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<v Speaker 1>I think photos of the dead candles to summon their

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<v Speaker 1>specific spirit. And finally, there was Santa Rismo, a blend

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<v Speaker 1>of you guest it Spiritismo and Santoria, which was one

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<v Speaker 1>of the most popular religions innovated in the nineteenth century

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<v Speaker 1>in Cuba. Santoria is an African diasporic religion that combines

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<v Speaker 1>elements of the Yoruba religion from West Africa, Roman Catholicism,

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<v Speaker 1>and spiritism. As written by Kardak in their prod Do,

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<v Speaker 1>says mediums can communicate with spirits while themselves possessed by

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<v Speaker 1>the dead. Leaders include the Godfather and Godmother Awesome aka

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<v Speaker 1>the Padrino and Madrina, who conduct mediumship sessions around a

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<v Speaker 1>table and play or sing Afro Cuban chants and prayers

0:27:18.600 --> 0:27:22.359
<v Speaker 1>to attract good spirits. Rituals would sometimes end with a

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<v Speaker 1>ceremony called sahumerio, a purification ritual that uses charcoal, garlic,

0:27:27.960 --> 0:27:31.560
<v Speaker 1>and herbs to extract evil spirits and wash them away

0:27:31.760 --> 0:27:36.720
<v Speaker 1>with blessed water. A Spiritismo at large became extremely popular

0:27:36.880 --> 0:27:40.960
<v Speaker 1>and outlived the American spiritualism craze in the continental US,

0:27:41.240 --> 0:27:45.040
<v Speaker 1>which had pretty thoroughly wound down by the nineteen twenties.

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<v Speaker 1>Even though a Spiritismo was banned during the Cuban Revolution

0:27:49.359 --> 0:27:52.240
<v Speaker 1>in the nineteen fifties, the movement didn't die out. It

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<v Speaker 1>was just forced underground, and there are plenty still practicing

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<v Speaker 1>in Cuba, Puerto Rico, and Brazil now, with Brazil aiming

0:28:00.600 --> 0:28:04.360
<v Speaker 1>nearly four million practicing members as of two thousand ten.

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<v Speaker 1>Spiritismo and if many forms tells the story of forced enslavement,

0:28:10.600 --> 0:28:14.960
<v Speaker 1>of imperialism, of an underclass combining multiple systems of belief

0:28:15.040 --> 0:28:19.200
<v Speaker 1>for their circumstances. Should any of it had to have happened, No,

0:28:20.000 --> 0:28:23.560
<v Speaker 1>these circumstances were born of oppression, which makes it particularly

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<v Speaker 1>relevant that a spiritismo and spiritualism are enmeshed in this optimism,

0:28:29.960 --> 0:28:32.920
<v Speaker 1>the idea that what is coming next will be better

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<v Speaker 1>than what you're experiencing now. So I decided to ask

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<v Speaker 1>an expert. Dr Carlos Camacho is a sociologist whose dissertation

0:28:42.480 --> 0:28:48.440
<v Speaker 1>is called Navigating Ocha LGBT Practitioners, Participation and Navigation of Lukumi.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a section of this paper that focuses on spirit

0:28:51.640 --> 0:28:56.520
<v Speaker 1>communication and a spiritismo entirely. He's also an alumnus of

0:28:56.560 --> 0:28:59.200
<v Speaker 1>the Bechtel cast. But we're not here to talk teenage

0:28:59.280 --> 0:29:03.280
<v Speaker 1>mutant ninja to today. We're here to talk religion. Here's

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<v Speaker 1>a bit of our conversation. So Alan Cardick heard about

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<v Speaker 1>and started saw this wave of spiritualism that was spreading

0:29:11.560 --> 0:29:14.480
<v Speaker 1>in the Americas and in Europe, and wanted to create

0:29:14.600 --> 0:29:19.479
<v Speaker 1>his own more quote unquote scientific approach to this um

0:29:19.680 --> 0:29:22.840
<v Speaker 1>and so that version got really popular in Puerto Rico

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<v Speaker 1>and in Cuba where UM. The reason it's relevant to

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<v Speaker 1>my research interests is that when the enslaved peoples from

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<v Speaker 1>West Africa were brought to the Caribbean, the Yoruba people specifically,

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<v Speaker 1>there were lots of parts of their religion that were

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<v Speaker 1>left behind, and so one of the things that they

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<v Speaker 1>had in Nigeria, um what is today known as Nigeria,

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<v Speaker 1>was the Agun society, which was their way of connecting

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<v Speaker 1>with ancestral spirits and the dead, and that didn't come

0:29:52.200 --> 0:29:54.760
<v Speaker 1>over in mass in the same way. And so as

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<v Speaker 1>part of the process of recotification of the religion in Cuba,

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<v Speaker 1>there was a bringing in of certain parts of other traditions,

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<v Speaker 1>including the particular brand of diesel or spiritism that became

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<v Speaker 1>really popular in the Caribbean, especially in the Spanish speaking Caribbean.

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<v Speaker 1>That then when Locumi sent thatia came to the United States,

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<v Speaker 1>it came um here with the waves of Cuban, Puerto

0:30:20.920 --> 0:30:24.840
<v Speaker 1>Rican and other migrants bringing the traditions. In the studies,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of Camacho's research traced how and why Cardix

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<v Speaker 1>ideas were implemented into the existing spiritual practices of displaced

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<v Speaker 1>African people and groups indigenous to Puerto Rico and Cuba.

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<v Speaker 1>He unpacks that process and the controversy that surrounds it

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<v Speaker 1>in academia here. So, when the peoples were brought over

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<v Speaker 1>Um to be enslaved in the America's, one of the

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<v Speaker 1>groups that came first arguably in popularity in Cuba was

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<v Speaker 1>the Eco and Go or Congo people um and so

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<v Speaker 1>they brought their traditions that today we would call Balo

0:31:06.880 --> 0:31:13.000
<v Speaker 1>boombe Um balomonte Um, which is a Gongo religion that

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<v Speaker 1>was similar to Lucumi and Santia recodified in the in

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<v Speaker 1>Cuba and then spread to the Americas. When the Oruba

0:31:21.880 --> 0:31:27.320
<v Speaker 1>people came over the way, they engaged with religion was

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<v Speaker 1>that they were willing to bring in other factors, and

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<v Speaker 1>so they were able to bring people in, which from

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<v Speaker 1>a certain perspective makes sense. You have something that works,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to bring you in and we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>use it. And so one of the things that is

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<v Speaker 1>at times theoretically fraught. Various academics have different perspectives on

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<v Speaker 1>what the process was, but the gist of it is

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<v Speaker 1>that when the europa people came, you could not practice

0:31:57.200 --> 0:32:01.080
<v Speaker 1>the religion in the same ways in the Americas the

0:32:01.160 --> 0:32:05.400
<v Speaker 1>way it was practiced in Africa and Nigeria. In Uruba land,

0:32:06.720 --> 0:32:10.600
<v Speaker 1>you had the Ocean people living in the Ocean Village,

0:32:10.880 --> 0:32:13.560
<v Speaker 1>and so all the priests lived there. If you needed

0:32:13.640 --> 0:32:16.000
<v Speaker 1>to do something with Oshan, you would go to the

0:32:16.120 --> 0:32:20.160
<v Speaker 1>Ocean village. If you were a Shango priest, you lived

0:32:20.200 --> 0:32:23.600
<v Speaker 1>with the Shango people, and so these things were very

0:32:23.880 --> 0:32:29.160
<v Speaker 1>separate and distinct. Priests were initiated into one priest that

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<v Speaker 1>was not tenable for the enslaved peoples in Cuba, and

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<v Speaker 1>so part of that recodification was initiating each other into

0:32:38.200 --> 0:32:44.280
<v Speaker 1>the mysteries of various arisia too maintain the religion, to

0:32:44.480 --> 0:32:48.360
<v Speaker 1>keep the spirits alive in the Americans because you couldn't

0:32:48.400 --> 0:32:50.600
<v Speaker 1>do it the old way, so you had to create

0:32:50.640 --> 0:32:54.400
<v Speaker 1>a new way. Part of that the Egogun society did

0:32:54.480 --> 0:32:58.600
<v Speaker 1>not make it to um the America's in the same

0:32:58.640 --> 0:33:01.320
<v Speaker 1>way at the time, and so it spitted these more

0:33:01.360 --> 0:33:04.200
<v Speaker 1>as it got popular with the whites in Cuba and

0:33:04.360 --> 0:33:08.320
<v Speaker 1>Puerto Rico. It worked, and so they were able to

0:33:08.400 --> 0:33:10.720
<v Speaker 1>then use it and bring it into their practice with

0:33:10.800 --> 0:33:14.480
<v Speaker 1>their own flavor to then communicate with their ancestors. And

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<v Speaker 1>so one of the things that was interesting is that

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<v Speaker 1>and this is this part is very um between believers

0:33:22.360 --> 0:33:25.520
<v Speaker 1>and academics and scholar practitioners. There's a lot of um

0:33:25.680 --> 0:33:28.600
<v Speaker 1>in fighting about some of the specifics of this UM,

0:33:29.080 --> 0:33:33.080
<v Speaker 1>but that in your Ruba land, you had your ancestors.

0:33:33.160 --> 0:33:35.760
<v Speaker 1>It was one collective group of people. It was just

0:33:35.960 --> 0:33:39.600
<v Speaker 1>your people. Once you bring the Americans into play, you

0:33:39.720 --> 0:33:43.600
<v Speaker 1>have the native peoples that are on the islands who

0:33:43.680 --> 0:33:48.520
<v Speaker 1>are in various stages of a genocide per the European

0:33:48.880 --> 0:33:55.280
<v Speaker 1>expansionist imperialists UM forces UM and so there's different types

0:33:55.520 --> 0:33:59.000
<v Speaker 1>of dead spirits walking around that has to be engaged

0:33:59.040 --> 0:34:02.840
<v Speaker 1>with because now you're on someone else's sacred land. And

0:34:03.000 --> 0:34:06.920
<v Speaker 1>so there was an incorporation of certain classes of spirits

0:34:07.200 --> 0:34:11.080
<v Speaker 1>that then began to be part of this reformulation. And

0:34:11.200 --> 0:34:14.680
<v Speaker 1>so there were certain things that became more popular in

0:34:14.880 --> 0:34:17.160
<v Speaker 1>Cuba that now are sort of standard, like use of

0:34:17.280 --> 0:34:21.320
<v Speaker 1>tobacco to engage with spirits that wasn't necessarily something that

0:34:21.360 --> 0:34:24.560
<v Speaker 1>would have been done by the people in Yurubu land

0:34:24.680 --> 0:34:28.280
<v Speaker 1>before enslavement. And so there was a lot of these

0:34:28.560 --> 0:34:31.799
<v Speaker 1>shifting um and changing forces, and so it's spited these

0:34:31.840 --> 0:34:35.879
<v Speaker 1>minds of practice. While not indigenous to the Ruba people,

0:34:36.040 --> 0:34:40.880
<v Speaker 1>the Gmo people, or the native people's of the islands,

0:34:41.280 --> 0:34:44.879
<v Speaker 1>it served a function to fill the gap that um

0:34:45.239 --> 0:34:48.480
<v Speaker 1>was stolen the enslavement, that they weren't able to continue

0:34:48.520 --> 0:34:51.560
<v Speaker 1>to practice. And so one of the things that my

0:34:51.680 --> 0:34:54.360
<v Speaker 1>godfather often talks about is that it has to make sense,

0:34:54.680 --> 0:34:56.839
<v Speaker 1>and for them, it made sense to have this new

0:34:56.920 --> 0:35:01.920
<v Speaker 1>practice that might have some Christian um overlays, like you

0:35:02.080 --> 0:35:05.640
<v Speaker 1>start um spiritual nsis with the our Father, but once

0:35:05.760 --> 0:35:07.920
<v Speaker 1>you get the spirits in the room, it's a very

0:35:08.120 --> 0:35:12.400
<v Speaker 1>non Christian conversation and there's a lot of non Christian

0:35:12.520 --> 0:35:16.359
<v Speaker 1>things happening. And because he's been listening to the show

0:35:17.000 --> 0:35:22.080
<v Speaker 1>Brag Carlos brought up an important distinction between spiritualism at

0:35:22.120 --> 0:35:27.280
<v Speaker 1>present and a spiritismo then and now, the tendency spiritualists

0:35:27.360 --> 0:35:30.840
<v Speaker 1>have to channel the odd dead famous person, whether it

0:35:30.960 --> 0:35:35.239
<v Speaker 1>be Benjamin Franklin or JP Morgan just spitball in here.

0:35:35.760 --> 0:35:39.000
<v Speaker 1>Camacho makes the following distinction and spoke on the changes

0:35:39.080 --> 0:35:42.960
<v Speaker 1>he's noticed following the history of a spiritismo. There are

0:35:43.040 --> 0:35:46.319
<v Speaker 1>really famous spirits that, as far as I'm aware, are

0:35:46.800 --> 0:35:50.680
<v Speaker 1>commonplace in a spiritismo. Um. What you do see is

0:35:50.800 --> 0:35:56.960
<v Speaker 1>you'll find um native spirits and enslaved spirits that are

0:35:57.680 --> 0:36:03.240
<v Speaker 1>around trying to help their descendants to improve given their experiences,

0:36:03.560 --> 0:36:07.000
<v Speaker 1>to not have that be replicated in the current generation. Uh,

0:36:07.840 --> 0:36:12.200
<v Speaker 1>which is an interesting phenomenon in a variety of different levels.

0:36:12.920 --> 0:36:16.680
<v Speaker 1>But you also see a very clear given the politics

0:36:16.719 --> 0:36:20.279
<v Speaker 1>of certain parts of the Lukami community being very sort

0:36:20.320 --> 0:36:26.040
<v Speaker 1>of pro black, very sort of um pro people of color,

0:36:26.640 --> 0:36:30.239
<v Speaker 1>um anti imperial, given that there are some of those

0:36:30.320 --> 0:36:35.040
<v Speaker 1>political dynamics, the way spirits communicate and are translated is

0:36:35.840 --> 0:36:40.719
<v Speaker 1>a little different. So in Alan Cardis spiritualism, the way

0:36:40.760 --> 0:36:43.400
<v Speaker 1>it's sort of the classes of spirits are understood, like

0:36:43.480 --> 0:36:46.120
<v Speaker 1>you do have the Native, you have the African you

0:36:46.239 --> 0:36:53.520
<v Speaker 1>have these very rigid stereotypical caricatures, but in practice, given

0:36:53.640 --> 0:36:56.959
<v Speaker 1>how some spirits do not identify themselves in that way,

0:36:57.239 --> 0:37:00.080
<v Speaker 1>there has been a movement away from that in that

0:37:00.960 --> 0:37:04.960
<v Speaker 1>at least the last thirty forty years. And I think

0:37:05.000 --> 0:37:08.840
<v Speaker 1>that's also shifting socio political dynamics. In the United States.

0:37:09.000 --> 0:37:12.040
<v Speaker 1>The religion Lukumi came to the US in the sixties,

0:37:12.080 --> 0:37:15.080
<v Speaker 1>and so you had Black nationalists, you have the Young Lords,

0:37:15.160 --> 0:37:18.520
<v Speaker 1>you have all of these distinct socio political movements, and

0:37:18.640 --> 0:37:21.040
<v Speaker 1>then you have this religion that was kept alive by

0:37:21.239 --> 0:37:26.000
<v Speaker 1>enslaved people's So there's a particular politic that some in

0:37:26.120 --> 0:37:28.960
<v Speaker 1>the religion today sort of maintained to shift some of

0:37:29.040 --> 0:37:32.600
<v Speaker 1>those dynamics and relationships with spirit. Thank you again to

0:37:32.760 --> 0:37:36.359
<v Speaker 1>the wonderful Dr. Carlos Camancho. You can find out more

0:37:36.400 --> 0:37:38.600
<v Speaker 1>about him and his work at the links in the

0:37:38.719 --> 0:37:56.080
<v Speaker 1>description of this episode. The final area of spiritualism that

0:37:56.239 --> 0:38:00.719
<v Speaker 1>it's difficult to find acknowledgment of in Cassadega are volumes

0:38:00.880 --> 0:38:04.480
<v Speaker 1>on black spiritualism in America. Now, that is not to

0:38:04.560 --> 0:38:07.719
<v Speaker 1>say that there are no black spiritualists, but for a

0:38:07.800 --> 0:38:11.600
<v Speaker 1>religion that was founded on the ideas of abolition and

0:38:11.719 --> 0:38:14.520
<v Speaker 1>found an early supporter and none other than Frederick Douglas.

0:38:15.080 --> 0:38:20.839
<v Speaker 1>Some may find the persistent whiteness of spiritualism confusing. In fact,

0:38:21.160 --> 0:38:24.799
<v Speaker 1>my opinion is that the Cassadega Spiritualist camp right now

0:38:25.280 --> 0:38:29.320
<v Speaker 1>excuse less progressive than when it was founded. Many of

0:38:29.360 --> 0:38:32.200
<v Speaker 1>the spiritualists I talked to in Florida are center left

0:38:32.280 --> 0:38:36.440
<v Speaker 1>politically or libertarian and straight up Republican in more cases

0:38:36.480 --> 0:38:41.360
<v Speaker 1>than one, pretty far from their somewhat radical origins. It

0:38:41.440 --> 0:38:44.560
<v Speaker 1>didn't feel awesome, and it made me question how early

0:38:44.640 --> 0:38:50.480
<v Speaker 1>spiritualists had characterized themselves. And upon further investigation, reports that

0:38:50.640 --> 0:38:54.960
<v Speaker 1>early Spiritualists in Cassadega had been extremely welcoming of the

0:38:55.040 --> 0:38:59.040
<v Speaker 1>black community, many of whom were freed slaves, may have

0:38:59.239 --> 0:39:02.840
<v Speaker 1>been exagg rated at the time. It's an exaggeration that

0:39:02.960 --> 0:39:06.520
<v Speaker 1>follows Cassadega to this day, as suggested by a trip

0:39:06.560 --> 0:39:10.520
<v Speaker 1>Advisor review I found from a black couple in that

0:39:10.680 --> 0:39:15.200
<v Speaker 1>declared the camp quote the most racist place in Florida,

0:39:15.640 --> 0:39:18.319
<v Speaker 1>and that's got to be a real contest. Here's how

0:39:18.400 --> 0:39:21.880
<v Speaker 1>the spiritualists put it. I'm taking this from the current

0:39:21.960 --> 0:39:25.800
<v Speaker 1>definitive Cassadega history book, or the one that's still in print,

0:39:26.280 --> 0:39:30.920
<v Speaker 1>called Cassadega the sounds oldest Spiritualist community. This is a

0:39:31.000 --> 0:39:34.640
<v Speaker 1>section on the Camp's earliest relations with the black community.

0:39:34.840 --> 0:39:38.680
<v Speaker 1>In the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, they Camp

0:39:38.760 --> 0:39:40.960
<v Speaker 1>made an effort to reach out and touch the African

0:39:41.040 --> 0:39:45.040
<v Speaker 1>American community in the vicinity. Even so, most blacks initially

0:39:45.080 --> 0:39:49.120
<v Speaker 1>shied away from Cassadega. They disappeared from the streets after sunset,

0:39:49.239 --> 0:39:51.920
<v Speaker 1>mused to one observer, and watched the spiritualists attending the

0:39:52.000 --> 0:39:55.960
<v Speaker 1>meetings with much reticence. According to a local white spiced account,

0:39:56.040 --> 0:40:00.759
<v Speaker 1>African Americans evidently feared Northern spiritualists as ghosts or goblins.

0:40:01.360 --> 0:40:05.800
<v Speaker 1>In however, Professor William F. Peck addressed a large delegation

0:40:05.880 --> 0:40:08.000
<v Speaker 1>of blacks and told them that the spirit world had

0:40:08.040 --> 0:40:11.600
<v Speaker 1>been chiefly instrumental in bringing slavery to an end. So

0:40:11.719 --> 0:40:16.000
<v Speaker 1>this account is loaded and extremely biased, almost completely ignoring

0:40:16.080 --> 0:40:18.719
<v Speaker 1>the general politics of the American South in the late

0:40:18.800 --> 0:40:22.680
<v Speaker 1>nineteenth century. Because regardless of what they considered to be

0:40:22.880 --> 0:40:27.479
<v Speaker 1>a progressive community, it's understandable that local black residents would

0:40:27.520 --> 0:40:30.640
<v Speaker 1>not have been interested in fraternizing with a mostly white

0:40:30.760 --> 0:40:34.239
<v Speaker 1>Northern frene religious group that was already attracting a lot

0:40:34.320 --> 0:40:37.759
<v Speaker 1>of controversy and speculation because this was an area that,

0:40:37.880 --> 0:40:41.920
<v Speaker 1>at different points in history was literally run by the KKK.

0:40:42.719 --> 0:40:45.120
<v Speaker 1>And while Professor Peck's actions flew in the face of

0:40:45.239 --> 0:40:47.879
<v Speaker 1>racial taboos of the time by lecturing to a black

0:40:47.960 --> 0:40:51.000
<v Speaker 1>audience at all, it's safe to say that the most

0:40:51.080 --> 0:40:55.560
<v Speaker 1>potent years of diversity and cooperation within Spiritualism had already

0:40:55.600 --> 0:40:59.320
<v Speaker 1>passed by the time Cassadega opened in the eighteen nineties.

0:41:00.600 --> 0:41:04.799
<v Speaker 1>Spiritualism was always a woman dominated movement, even when male

0:41:04.920 --> 0:41:08.440
<v Speaker 1>mediums began to crop up with some success, and several

0:41:08.520 --> 0:41:11.960
<v Speaker 1>black women were involved in its formative years. One of

0:41:12.000 --> 0:41:14.719
<v Speaker 1>the reasons this is is because close allies of the

0:41:14.800 --> 0:41:18.160
<v Speaker 1>Fox Sisters, a white couple named Amy and Isaac Post,

0:41:18.520 --> 0:41:21.360
<v Speaker 1>Isaac Post going on to become a medium and write

0:41:21.440 --> 0:41:26.160
<v Speaker 1>some early Spiritualist texts, where radical Quaker abolitionists who were

0:41:26.239 --> 0:41:28.879
<v Speaker 1>known for their left wing politics in upstate New York

0:41:29.280 --> 0:41:32.879
<v Speaker 1>and would harbor fugitive enslaved people in their home as

0:41:33.000 --> 0:41:36.640
<v Speaker 1>they were getting into spiritualism. It was this group of

0:41:36.719 --> 0:41:41.840
<v Speaker 1>Quakers that first brought abolitionist, suffragist and all around legend

0:41:42.120 --> 0:41:46.000
<v Speaker 1>Sojourner Truth into the spiritualist fold beginning in the mid

0:41:46.120 --> 0:41:49.960
<v Speaker 1>eighteen fifties, after Truth gave a speech on abolition in

0:41:50.040 --> 0:41:53.360
<v Speaker 1>the area. She bought a home in Harmonia, Michigan, and

0:41:53.520 --> 0:41:58.239
<v Speaker 1>became associated with the Battle Creek Spiritualist community. This was

0:41:58.360 --> 0:42:02.160
<v Speaker 1>considered to be one of the early spiritualist utopias that

0:42:02.320 --> 0:42:06.480
<v Speaker 1>eventually fell to make way for wait for it, a

0:42:06.640 --> 0:42:10.760
<v Speaker 1>training center for the U. S. Army during World War One. However,

0:42:11.000 --> 0:42:14.960
<v Speaker 1>it's not known whether Truth ever formally joined the community,

0:42:15.400 --> 0:42:18.600
<v Speaker 1>but spiritualism has certainly laid its claim that she did.

0:42:19.120 --> 0:42:24.080
<v Speaker 1>Sojourner Truth was unquestionably the most famous alleged black spiritualist

0:42:24.120 --> 0:42:26.919
<v Speaker 1>of her era, but far from the only well known

0:42:27.000 --> 0:42:31.120
<v Speaker 1>black woman to early spiritualism. There was also Harriet Jacobs,

0:42:31.400 --> 0:42:34.279
<v Speaker 1>a formerly enslaved woman who fled her abuser in the

0:42:34.400 --> 0:42:38.399
<v Speaker 1>early days of spiritualism and met with none other than

0:42:38.480 --> 0:42:42.359
<v Speaker 1>Amy Post, who encouraged Jacobs to write on her experience.

0:42:43.000 --> 0:42:47.200
<v Speaker 1>Under the pseudonym Linda Brent, Jacobs wrote a seminal nineteenth

0:42:47.280 --> 0:42:51.120
<v Speaker 1>century memoir called Incidents in the Life of a Slave Girl.

0:42:51.880 --> 0:42:54.920
<v Speaker 1>As a writer who had lived on both sides of slavery,

0:42:55.440 --> 0:42:59.200
<v Speaker 1>Jacobs leveraged her belief and abilities to place emphasis on

0:42:59.280 --> 0:43:03.400
<v Speaker 1>the pain and suffering that black people had endured in America. But,

0:43:03.680 --> 0:43:08.960
<v Speaker 1>like Sojourner, truth spiritualists lay claim to Jacob's unequivocally, but

0:43:09.120 --> 0:43:13.800
<v Speaker 1>scholars aren't convinced that she was a converted believer. Aaron

0:43:13.920 --> 0:43:17.359
<v Speaker 1>Eve Forbes wrote in her paper do Black Ghosts Matter?

0:43:17.680 --> 0:43:21.480
<v Speaker 1>Harriet Jacob's spiritualism? As she does with the slave narratives

0:43:21.480 --> 0:43:25.480
<v Speaker 1>and domestic fiction, Jacob's quickly masters the discourse of spiritualism,

0:43:25.920 --> 0:43:28.040
<v Speaker 1>using it to gain for herself a voice in the

0:43:28.120 --> 0:43:30.520
<v Speaker 1>social debates of her day, while at the same time

0:43:30.760 --> 0:43:34.239
<v Speaker 1>subtly and carefully reworking that discourse to suit her own ends.

0:43:34.800 --> 0:43:38.400
<v Speaker 1>Writer Harriet E. Wilson was a novelist and a successful

0:43:38.480 --> 0:43:41.960
<v Speaker 1>practicing trans medium of her time. She debuted in Boston

0:43:42.120 --> 0:43:44.759
<v Speaker 1>in eighteen seventy six and became one of the first

0:43:44.840 --> 0:43:48.879
<v Speaker 1>black spiritualists to lecture in what would normally be segregated

0:43:48.960 --> 0:43:53.239
<v Speaker 1>spaces in New England. She channeled spirit as well as

0:43:53.440 --> 0:43:58.520
<v Speaker 1>messages on abolition and intersectional feminism. There was also Rebecca

0:43:58.600 --> 0:44:04.280
<v Speaker 1>Cox Jackson born in sevent who experienced the relatively common

0:44:04.400 --> 0:44:08.960
<v Speaker 1>spiritualist awakening visions and interactions with Spirit as a child,

0:44:09.480 --> 0:44:13.000
<v Speaker 1>but being born a free black woman in Pennsylvania, could

0:44:13.080 --> 0:44:17.080
<v Speaker 1>only credit her reading and writing skills to Spirit. Being

0:44:17.160 --> 0:44:20.759
<v Speaker 1>barred from a formal education herself, Jackson would go on

0:44:20.840 --> 0:44:24.279
<v Speaker 1>to establish a popular science circle in her home, which

0:44:24.360 --> 0:44:27.880
<v Speaker 1>didn't only offer an opportunity to include more Black Americans

0:44:27.960 --> 0:44:31.400
<v Speaker 1>in the movement, but centered them and gave an opportunity

0:44:31.560 --> 0:44:34.960
<v Speaker 1>to speak with their dead. Jackson became a local legend

0:44:35.440 --> 0:44:39.520
<v Speaker 1>in a culture where Black Americans, specifically black women, had

0:44:39.600 --> 0:44:44.960
<v Speaker 1>perspectives that were frequently disrespected or outright ignored. Spiritualism and

0:44:45.120 --> 0:44:49.160
<v Speaker 1>mediumship was an opportunity to not just center there often

0:44:49.280 --> 0:44:52.840
<v Speaker 1>ignored experiences, but explain them in their own words, with

0:44:53.080 --> 0:44:57.120
<v Speaker 1>significance and an emphasis that was nothing short of religious.

0:44:57.840 --> 0:45:01.879
<v Speaker 1>So what happened? Why aren't there far more black spiritualists

0:45:01.960 --> 0:45:06.480
<v Speaker 1>living in and lecturing at Cassadega with regularity? You might

0:45:06.520 --> 0:45:09.439
<v Speaker 1>be able to guess. While there had been successful black

0:45:09.520 --> 0:45:12.680
<v Speaker 1>mediums working in the early years of the religion, white

0:45:12.760 --> 0:45:16.319
<v Speaker 1>spiritualists weren't always as committed to equality as they may

0:45:16.400 --> 0:45:19.640
<v Speaker 1>have sounded on paper. A perfect example of this came

0:45:19.680 --> 0:45:23.320
<v Speaker 1>in eighteen ninety three, one year pre Cassadega, when the

0:45:23.480 --> 0:45:28.880
<v Speaker 1>National Spiritualist Association of Churches, originally called the National Spiritualist

0:45:28.920 --> 0:45:33.279
<v Speaker 1>Association literally the n s a was founded. Now, for

0:45:33.360 --> 0:45:36.160
<v Speaker 1>the record, Cassadega was affiliated with the n s a

0:45:36.320 --> 0:45:39.000
<v Speaker 1>C for a long time, but has since struck out

0:45:39.080 --> 0:45:42.000
<v Speaker 1>as an individual entity all its own. But this was

0:45:42.080 --> 0:45:44.560
<v Speaker 1>not the case in the late nineteenth century. In the

0:45:44.640 --> 0:45:48.439
<v Speaker 1>late nineteenth century, virtually all of American society was still

0:45:48.560 --> 0:45:51.960
<v Speaker 1>racially segregated, and the n s a C was no exception.

0:45:52.640 --> 0:45:55.759
<v Speaker 1>While black people were a part of the religion, black

0:45:55.920 --> 0:46:00.120
<v Speaker 1>members would be placed in quote colored auxiliary society is

0:46:00.239 --> 0:46:06.560
<v Speaker 1>unquote within spiritualism. Unsurprisingly, this insistence on segregation in an

0:46:06.560 --> 0:46:11.520
<v Speaker 1>allegedly progressive religion led to increased tension, and many black

0:46:11.560 --> 0:46:15.520
<v Speaker 1>spiritualists saw a need to design similar religious organizations in

0:46:15.600 --> 0:46:20.120
<v Speaker 1>which they could be leaders, not auxiliary appendages. This came

0:46:20.160 --> 0:46:22.680
<v Speaker 1>to blows in a big way around World War One.

0:46:23.280 --> 0:46:25.239
<v Speaker 1>The n s a C decided that there was a

0:46:25.320 --> 0:46:30.000
<v Speaker 1>need for a completely separate, all black Spiritualist organization and

0:46:30.160 --> 0:46:34.719
<v Speaker 1>installed Joseph P. Whitwell, a white spiritualist leader, to lead

0:46:34.760 --> 0:46:39.360
<v Speaker 1>a meeting in Cleveland in April of This resulted in

0:46:39.560 --> 0:46:43.920
<v Speaker 1>a significant protest. Six out of twenty delegates requested to attend,

0:46:44.080 --> 0:46:49.440
<v Speaker 1>Withdrew furious that this historically equality touting religion was still

0:46:49.680 --> 0:46:55.400
<v Speaker 1>insisting on segregation. It was popularized by abolitionists. It's so bizarre.

0:46:56.080 --> 0:47:00.640
<v Speaker 1>The fourteen remaining delegates formed the National Colored Spiritualist Association

0:47:00.719 --> 0:47:05.200
<v Speaker 1>of Churches, still appointing some white spiritualists as their leaders.

0:47:05.760 --> 0:47:09.319
<v Speaker 1>The organization was not long for this world. The next year,

0:47:09.560 --> 0:47:12.759
<v Speaker 1>the n c s a C formally adopted the same

0:47:12.920 --> 0:47:16.000
<v Speaker 1>declaration of principles you still here at the beginning of

0:47:16.120 --> 0:47:21.520
<v Speaker 1>Cassadega today, including we believe that the highest morality is

0:47:21.640 --> 0:47:26.200
<v Speaker 1>contained in the Golden Rule. Whatsoever he would that others

0:47:26.239 --> 0:47:31.320
<v Speaker 1>should do onto you, do you also onto them the brainworms.

0:47:31.440 --> 0:47:34.680
<v Speaker 1>It requires for your segregated group to claim the Golden

0:47:34.800 --> 0:47:38.480
<v Speaker 1>Rule as a part of your religion is just I

0:47:38.600 --> 0:47:42.200
<v Speaker 1>hate America. It's extremely difficult to find records of the

0:47:42.400 --> 0:47:44.880
<v Speaker 1>n s a C, but it is said to have

0:47:45.000 --> 0:47:49.320
<v Speaker 1>existed until the nineteen seventies. It's possible that after the

0:47:49.400 --> 0:47:52.719
<v Speaker 1>Civil Rights movement there was no more social precedent for

0:47:52.960 --> 0:47:56.920
<v Speaker 1>segregating spiritualism. But during this stretch of a half century,

0:47:57.280 --> 0:48:01.200
<v Speaker 1>there became many other spiritual options for Black Americans that

0:48:01.320 --> 0:48:04.920
<v Speaker 1>didn't require operating as an auxiliary for a white religion,

0:48:05.640 --> 0:48:10.719
<v Speaker 1>most popularly the movement of independent Black spiritual churches, many

0:48:10.800 --> 0:48:15.280
<v Speaker 1>of which still exist today. Dr Margharita Simon Guillory wrote

0:48:15.360 --> 0:48:18.600
<v Speaker 1>on the history of black spiritualist churches in her wonderful

0:48:19.640 --> 0:48:25.080
<v Speaker 1>book Social and Spiritual Transformation in African American Spiritual Churches,

0:48:25.719 --> 0:48:29.320
<v Speaker 1>in which she unpacks this crossover between early black and

0:48:29.400 --> 0:48:33.720
<v Speaker 1>white spiritualists and examines the ways in which Black spirituality

0:48:34.040 --> 0:48:38.440
<v Speaker 1>is to this day often overlooked in religious history. Her

0:48:38.480 --> 0:48:42.320
<v Speaker 1>primary research was done in New Orleans, where she described

0:48:42.440 --> 0:48:46.040
<v Speaker 1>the Black spiritual culture in an interview with the Religious

0:48:46.040 --> 0:48:51.840
<v Speaker 1>Studies Project in Spiritual Churches, the African American Spiritual churches

0:48:52.040 --> 0:48:56.879
<v Speaker 1>um that that I researched are a blended religious group,

0:48:57.040 --> 0:48:59.919
<v Speaker 1>and I like that term blendedness and what they've done.

0:49:00.040 --> 0:49:05.000
<v Speaker 1>And they have conjoined all of the various elements from

0:49:05.160 --> 0:49:08.160
<v Speaker 1>institutionalized religions, and I'll talk about that in just the moment,

0:49:08.760 --> 0:49:12.320
<v Speaker 1>and they've created their own unique religion, specifically the spiritual

0:49:12.400 --> 0:49:16.520
<v Speaker 1>churches in New Orleans. They've conjoined Protestant traditions with the

0:49:16.600 --> 0:49:21.920
<v Speaker 1>focus on Pentecostalism, they pulled from their worship style. Catholicism

0:49:22.520 --> 0:49:25.920
<v Speaker 1>is a major bedrock in spiritual churches in New Orleans

0:49:26.120 --> 0:49:30.560
<v Speaker 1>just because Catholic religion, Catholicism is the predominant is still

0:49:30.640 --> 0:49:34.760
<v Speaker 1>today the predominant religion. That's that's practice in New Orleans

0:49:34.840 --> 0:49:40.600
<v Speaker 1>and particular in Louisiana in general. They also incorporate American spiritualism,

0:49:41.239 --> 0:49:44.040
<v Speaker 1>the ability to communicate with the dead that was birthed

0:49:44.040 --> 0:49:47.160
<v Speaker 1>in Western New York in Highsville, New York. They also

0:49:47.520 --> 0:49:51.040
<v Speaker 1>sort of conjoined and mix into their faith who do

0:49:51.800 --> 0:49:55.400
<v Speaker 1>and voodoo and this this notion of voodoo is derived

0:49:55.680 --> 0:49:59.600
<v Speaker 1>directly from Haitian voodoom. So and when you look at

0:49:59.680 --> 0:50:03.440
<v Speaker 1>sort of their belief system in their ritual practices, you

0:50:03.520 --> 0:50:07.160
<v Speaker 1>could see a little of all of these religions. Guillory's

0:50:07.200 --> 0:50:11.120
<v Speaker 1>research was primarily done in pre Hurricane Katrina, New Orleans,

0:50:11.520 --> 0:50:14.360
<v Speaker 1>and I highly recommend her work. She breaks down the

0:50:14.520 --> 0:50:19.280
<v Speaker 1>religious intersections, of which spiritualism is just one that defined

0:50:19.440 --> 0:50:23.600
<v Speaker 1>these religions that were dominated by black women. She also

0:50:23.640 --> 0:50:27.880
<v Speaker 1>gets into how environmental racism has destroyed or weakened the

0:50:28.040 --> 0:50:32.320
<v Speaker 1>Black spiritual church movement. Following her Kane Katrina, a number

0:50:32.400 --> 0:50:35.560
<v Speaker 1>of churches were destroyed and then reclaimed by the city

0:50:35.680 --> 0:50:40.240
<v Speaker 1>as eminent domain, drastically reducing the number of spiritual churches

0:50:40.360 --> 0:50:45.040
<v Speaker 1>in the area. The ways in which the changing landscape

0:50:45.360 --> 0:50:48.960
<v Speaker 1>around spiritual churches we can tell a lot. If you

0:50:49.040 --> 0:50:51.600
<v Speaker 1>look at the change in landscape of spiritual churches, it

0:50:51.680 --> 0:50:57.799
<v Speaker 1>tells us a lot about other landscapes and shifting landscapes

0:50:57.840 --> 0:51:05.799
<v Speaker 1>in New Orleans, demographically escapes, social landscapes, economic landscapes, political landscapes.

0:51:05.920 --> 0:51:08.520
<v Speaker 1>If you just focus on the spiritual churches, we could

0:51:08.560 --> 0:51:11.160
<v Speaker 1>see all of these sort of dynamics that are going

0:51:11.239 --> 0:51:16.480
<v Speaker 1>on post Katrina. About seventeen of the fifty plus churches

0:51:16.600 --> 0:51:19.320
<v Speaker 1>that were in New Orleans or operating in New Orleans

0:51:19.400 --> 0:51:23.600
<v Speaker 1>pre Katrina were located in the ninth ward um, so

0:51:24.920 --> 0:51:28.759
<v Speaker 1>they were destroyed. And the last chapter of my book

0:51:28.800 --> 0:51:32.560
<v Speaker 1>sort of talks about that the ways in which not

0:51:32.760 --> 0:51:36.520
<v Speaker 1>only did they not only were some of them structurally destroyed,

0:51:36.840 --> 0:51:42.080
<v Speaker 1>but because of some very deliberate economical and political and

0:51:42.200 --> 0:51:46.319
<v Speaker 1>structural changes that occurred in post Katrina New Orleans, they

0:51:46.360 --> 0:51:49.080
<v Speaker 1>were sort of the lands in which these churches, even

0:51:49.160 --> 0:51:51.440
<v Speaker 1>if they were in a position where they could have

0:51:51.719 --> 0:51:54.480
<v Speaker 1>you restored the church they were taken and they were

0:51:54.520 --> 0:51:58.120
<v Speaker 1>converted to green spaces. I'll be linking to more of

0:51:58.239 --> 0:52:02.839
<v Speaker 1>Guileleris work in the description of this episode. But by

0:52:02.880 --> 0:52:06.879
<v Speaker 1>the mid twentieth century or so, the spiritualist religion as

0:52:06.920 --> 0:52:09.880
<v Speaker 1>it had been founded by the Fox Sisters had lost

0:52:10.080 --> 0:52:14.720
<v Speaker 1>many black spiritualists to independent spiritual churches and other movements.

0:52:15.280 --> 0:52:18.719
<v Speaker 1>And based on this history, it's no wonder why and

0:52:18.840 --> 0:52:21.920
<v Speaker 1>so what we see is a religion that was popularized

0:52:21.960 --> 0:52:25.799
<v Speaker 1>by abolitionists that by the early twentieth century was still

0:52:26.160 --> 0:52:30.440
<v Speaker 1>proving hostile to black spiritualists. In the case of Cassadega,

0:52:30.719 --> 0:52:33.600
<v Speaker 1>this issue appears to be compounded by the even more

0:52:33.760 --> 0:52:37.960
<v Speaker 1>intense racial inequality in the American South once that affected

0:52:38.000 --> 0:52:42.880
<v Speaker 1>the Cassadega area immeasurably in the early twentieth century. By November,

0:52:43.920 --> 0:52:48.520
<v Speaker 1>the ku Klux Klan was holding open parades in nearby Daytona, Florida,

0:52:48.880 --> 0:52:52.440
<v Speaker 1>in an attempt to intimidate local black voters out of

0:52:52.560 --> 0:52:57.480
<v Speaker 1>voting at all. To stage essentially a complete political coup

0:52:57.680 --> 0:53:01.600
<v Speaker 1>of the area. The KKK burned to black theaters in

0:53:01.680 --> 0:53:05.759
<v Speaker 1>Daytona as well beat people and when completely unpunished by

0:53:05.840 --> 0:53:09.359
<v Speaker 1>law enforcement who were deeply invested in looking the other way.

0:53:10.000 --> 0:53:15.960
<v Speaker 1>Clan candidates virtually swept judicial, municipal and legislative office primaries

0:53:16.040 --> 0:53:22.239
<v Speaker 1>in something called the Clan Vocation was held in an

0:53:22.280 --> 0:53:26.120
<v Speaker 1>event that attempted to declare Florida as a quote self

0:53:26.239 --> 0:53:30.080
<v Speaker 1>governing realm in the invisible Empire unquote. This is just

0:53:30.280 --> 0:53:34.840
<v Speaker 1>a hundred years ago, and this deeply racist terrorism literally

0:53:35.120 --> 0:53:41.600
<v Speaker 1>surrounded the Cassadega community. But the KKK never came to Cassadega.

0:53:42.040 --> 0:53:44.800
<v Speaker 1>Maybe a relief for the camp, But the books I

0:53:44.920 --> 0:53:49.600
<v Speaker 1>consulted indicate no record of the majority white religion being

0:53:49.719 --> 0:53:53.120
<v Speaker 1>public allies to Black Americans as they had been in

0:53:53.200 --> 0:53:56.919
<v Speaker 1>the early days of the Spiritualist movement. One would think

0:53:57.280 --> 0:54:01.160
<v Speaker 1>if they had been, the KKK may showed up. The

0:54:01.320 --> 0:54:06.080
<v Speaker 1>history book Cassadega, the sounds oldest Spiritualist community treats this

0:54:06.480 --> 0:54:10.840
<v Speaker 1>as something of a mystery, talking around the issue like this,

0:54:11.920 --> 0:54:15.759
<v Speaker 1>Cassadega escaped the clan's wrath during the nineteen twenties. The

0:54:15.960 --> 0:54:18.400
<v Speaker 1>terrorist group did not so much as burn across in

0:54:18.400 --> 0:54:22.719
<v Speaker 1>the Spiritualist community. Defies explanation considering the crimes committed by

0:54:22.719 --> 0:54:25.200
<v Speaker 1>the clan and the victims who suffered their drubbings. The

0:54:25.280 --> 0:54:28.840
<v Speaker 1>revived KKK of the twenties fantasized of a cultural purity

0:54:28.960 --> 0:54:34.200
<v Speaker 1>that is one Americanism. One could speculate that because Cassadega

0:54:34.239 --> 0:54:37.879
<v Speaker 1>went dry before either state or national prohibition became law,

0:54:38.280 --> 0:54:41.640
<v Speaker 1>and since the Spiritualist manifested a strong sense of patriotism,

0:54:41.880 --> 0:54:45.240
<v Speaker 1>the clan looked elsewhere for more appealing targets to terrorize.

0:54:45.680 --> 0:54:49.560
<v Speaker 1>Perhaps the Spiritualists seemed too ordinary to typically American to

0:54:49.560 --> 0:54:52.799
<v Speaker 1>attempt the clan. If the town's progressive ideas on race

0:54:52.880 --> 0:54:56.680
<v Speaker 1>and gender coupled with its unorthodox faith, bid Cassadega sitting

0:54:56.760 --> 0:54:59.680
<v Speaker 1>duck for the clan. What saved the tiny community from

0:54:59.680 --> 0:55:03.239
<v Speaker 1>the clan ends abuse remains a mystery, even if you're

0:55:03.280 --> 0:55:06.759
<v Speaker 1>willing to put this writer's dog whistle of too ordinary

0:55:06.920 --> 0:55:10.800
<v Speaker 1>and too typically American as a way of describing middle

0:55:10.880 --> 0:55:14.520
<v Speaker 1>class white people. It is at least true that Spiritualists

0:55:14.600 --> 0:55:19.200
<v Speaker 1>in Cassadega proudly displayed the American flag and historically celebrated

0:55:19.280 --> 0:55:23.600
<v Speaker 1>patriotic holidays with regularity, And it may have been this

0:55:23.880 --> 0:55:28.880
<v Speaker 1>jingoistic tilt that protected the majority white religion and deterred

0:55:29.239 --> 0:55:32.239
<v Speaker 1>Black and Indigenous people from wanting any part of it.

0:55:35.400 --> 0:55:38.040
<v Speaker 1>But most of this information I have to find on

0:55:38.239 --> 0:55:41.600
<v Speaker 1>my own time. It's not available on the camp's grounds.

0:55:41.880 --> 0:55:44.320
<v Speaker 1>And I'm very grateful that there are scholars who have

0:55:44.480 --> 0:55:48.719
<v Speaker 1>dedicated their careers to preserving the histories of movements like

0:55:48.920 --> 0:55:52.480
<v Speaker 1>a Spiritisma and the Black Spiritualist Church, ones that are

0:55:52.600 --> 0:55:56.600
<v Speaker 1>so underdiscussed that I didn't know they existed before working

0:55:56.680 --> 0:56:00.200
<v Speaker 1>on this show. And okay, I sort of bear ate

0:56:00.239 --> 0:56:04.160
<v Speaker 1>the lead earlier. Things did get interesting after my night

0:56:04.200 --> 0:56:07.320
<v Speaker 1>at the library in Cassadega, So if you will indulge me,

0:56:08.040 --> 0:56:10.600
<v Speaker 1>let's go back there for a second. My two hours

0:56:10.640 --> 0:56:12.560
<v Speaker 1>were almost up the night I was at the library,

0:56:12.680 --> 0:56:14.960
<v Speaker 1>and I hadn't been able to do much more than

0:56:15.120 --> 0:56:19.160
<v Speaker 1>frantically snap pictures of books that don't exist anywhere else

0:56:19.640 --> 0:56:22.560
<v Speaker 1>and could easily be lost to history forever. If a

0:56:22.680 --> 0:56:26.440
<v Speaker 1>leak sprung in the ceiling, and given how much maintenance

0:56:26.480 --> 0:56:29.799
<v Speaker 1>a lot of buildings in Cassadega need, it's not out

0:56:29.840 --> 0:56:33.960
<v Speaker 1>of the question. The married volunteer librarians from Rhode Island

0:56:34.080 --> 0:56:37.520
<v Speaker 1>continued to talk to the main librarian, Richard, in a

0:56:37.600 --> 0:56:40.000
<v Speaker 1>thick accent that makes me homesick whenever I hear it.

0:56:40.560 --> 0:56:43.080
<v Speaker 1>It's an accent that cannot be reproduced in movies. Matt

0:56:43.160 --> 0:56:45.080
<v Speaker 1>Damon forgot how to do it ten years ago, and

0:56:45.239 --> 0:56:48.080
<v Speaker 1>no one wants to talk about it. But the librarian's

0:56:48.200 --> 0:56:52.520
<v Speaker 1>voice is slow and soothing. He advises the woman from

0:56:52.560 --> 0:56:56.440
<v Speaker 1>Rhode Island to calm her temper in her dealings with spiritualists,

0:56:56.800 --> 0:56:59.759
<v Speaker 1>something her husband is eager to jump on, he says,

0:57:00.160 --> 0:57:02.200
<v Speaker 1>keep telling her to calm down. You know you want

0:57:02.200 --> 0:57:04.360
<v Speaker 1>to be a medium, and you can't be walking around

0:57:04.400 --> 0:57:07.000
<v Speaker 1>getting piste off all the time. I want to ask

0:57:07.120 --> 0:57:10.279
<v Speaker 1>them for more time here, because sure, this place is

0:57:10.360 --> 0:57:13.520
<v Speaker 1>kind of a mess. But between random volumes on World

0:57:13.600 --> 0:57:17.600
<v Speaker 1>War two and sticky ancient doctor filled books, there are

0:57:17.960 --> 0:57:22.320
<v Speaker 1>documents and ideas that might not exist anywhere else. I'm

0:57:22.320 --> 0:57:27.040
<v Speaker 1>flipping through something called a spiritualist solo graph from that

0:57:27.160 --> 0:57:31.800
<v Speaker 1>reads as your galactic father mother, I Liolia, seek to

0:57:31.880 --> 0:57:34.120
<v Speaker 1>warm you with my heart's love and try to fill

0:57:34.200 --> 0:57:36.800
<v Speaker 1>you with the wisdom and understanding which will help you

0:57:36.920 --> 0:57:39.560
<v Speaker 1>find the easy way and the light burn for you

0:57:39.840 --> 0:57:43.760
<v Speaker 1>are my own dearly beloved children. On other book reads,

0:57:44.120 --> 0:57:47.960
<v Speaker 1>was Abraham Lincoln, a spiritualist and the book itself kind

0:57:47.960 --> 0:57:50.160
<v Speaker 1>of feels around in the dark for about eighty pages

0:57:50.240 --> 0:57:53.960
<v Speaker 1>before admitting, no, probably he wasn't. I pick up a

0:57:54.040 --> 0:57:57.040
<v Speaker 1>CD rom on the ground that says the story of

0:57:57.160 --> 0:58:00.320
<v Speaker 1>how the sun has influenced cultures since this start of

0:58:00.440 --> 0:58:04.200
<v Speaker 1>written words, twenty seven minutes of the most important history

0:58:04.560 --> 0:58:08.760
<v Speaker 1>you will ever witness. There's more solographs with illustrations of

0:58:09.120 --> 0:58:11.840
<v Speaker 1>the sun within the sun, a wheel within a wheel,

0:58:12.160 --> 0:58:15.200
<v Speaker 1>the beam within a beam, old volumes of the Journal

0:58:15.320 --> 0:58:18.480
<v Speaker 1>of the American Society of Psychical Research from the nine

0:58:18.720 --> 0:58:21.880
<v Speaker 1>twenties and thirties. But I already know there's no way

0:58:22.040 --> 0:58:24.320
<v Speaker 1>that the library is going to be open a second

0:58:24.440 --> 0:58:28.320
<v Speaker 1>longer than seven o'clock. I can hear the librarian nearly

0:58:28.440 --> 0:58:30.600
<v Speaker 1>counting down the minutes until he can go home with

0:58:30.720 --> 0:58:33.080
<v Speaker 1>his dog, and I know there's no use in asking,

0:58:33.800 --> 0:58:36.760
<v Speaker 1>so I take pictures in the low overhead lighting until

0:58:36.880 --> 0:58:39.800
<v Speaker 1>the minute I can't anymore. My phone gets all hot

0:58:39.880 --> 0:58:41.880
<v Speaker 1>in my hands, like when you're trying to finish an

0:58:42.000 --> 0:58:45.000
<v Speaker 1>argument with your boyfriend before a plane takes off. That's

0:58:45.080 --> 0:58:48.160
<v Speaker 1>to me picking a fight before getting on a Spirit

0:58:48.200 --> 0:58:52.800
<v Speaker 1>Airlines flight. Well, good for you all, So my time

0:58:52.880 --> 0:58:55.680
<v Speaker 1>at the library is up, and the volunteers from Rhode

0:58:55.680 --> 0:58:58.280
<v Speaker 1>Island and the librarians start to pack up, shut off

0:58:58.360 --> 0:59:00.760
<v Speaker 1>the lights behind me. As I leave, I get the

0:59:00.800 --> 0:59:03.160
<v Speaker 1>feeling that a lot of what I managed to capture

0:59:03.240 --> 0:59:07.760
<v Speaker 1>from the library, however frantically documented, won't be much help

0:59:07.920 --> 0:59:10.320
<v Speaker 1>to get to the bottom of the spiritualist movement if

0:59:10.360 --> 0:59:13.240
<v Speaker 1>there is one, and scrolling through my phone at the

0:59:13.320 --> 0:59:17.560
<v Speaker 1>Hotel Cassadega later that night, I realized that I was right.

0:59:18.640 --> 0:59:21.600
<v Speaker 1>But something happens as I'm leaving the library that night,

0:59:22.040 --> 0:59:24.400
<v Speaker 1>and I want to be careful to protect this person's identity.

0:59:24.840 --> 0:59:27.280
<v Speaker 1>But what I will say is that I am approached

0:59:27.400 --> 0:59:30.080
<v Speaker 1>by a medium at the camp who I've met before.

0:59:30.800 --> 0:59:33.440
<v Speaker 1>We have a good rapport, and they asked me what

0:59:33.600 --> 0:59:36.400
<v Speaker 1>I've been eating on nights like this, nights like the

0:59:36.520 --> 0:59:39.320
<v Speaker 1>three before this one where the one restaurant in town,

0:59:39.520 --> 0:59:44.080
<v Speaker 1>Sanatra's Restaurante isn't open. And I tell them the truth.

0:59:44.920 --> 0:59:48.040
<v Speaker 1>I have been walking to the gas station a half

0:59:48.080 --> 0:59:51.880
<v Speaker 1>hour away and getting stockpiles of diet gatorade and those

0:59:51.960 --> 0:59:54.800
<v Speaker 1>little fried chicken bites that come in paper cups under

0:59:54.840 --> 0:59:59.120
<v Speaker 1>heat lamps. Pretty good stuff. The medium laughs and asks

0:59:59.160 --> 1:00:02.160
<v Speaker 1>me if I'm here is but I am serious. The

1:00:02.240 --> 1:00:05.080
<v Speaker 1>reason I've been doing this is because a different medium

1:00:05.200 --> 1:00:07.480
<v Speaker 1>implied to me the other day that it would be

1:00:07.600 --> 1:00:10.400
<v Speaker 1>a bad look for a visiting reporter who is still

1:00:10.520 --> 1:00:14.080
<v Speaker 1>seeking out the approval and cooperation of the spiritualists to

1:00:14.200 --> 1:00:18.600
<v Speaker 1>be ordering delivery for dinner, and I took it to heart.

1:00:19.120 --> 1:00:21.560
<v Speaker 1>So the medium I'm talking to laughs and asks me

1:00:21.840 --> 1:00:24.520
<v Speaker 1>to go to dinner with them, and I say yes

1:00:24.800 --> 1:00:27.520
<v Speaker 1>and go to their car. Now does that sound dangerous?

1:00:27.800 --> 1:00:29.960
<v Speaker 1>Sure it does, But I have a policy in these

1:00:30.040 --> 1:00:33.400
<v Speaker 1>kinds of situations where every single instinct is to say no,

1:00:34.200 --> 1:00:36.120
<v Speaker 1>and uh to say yes and see if I die

1:00:36.240 --> 1:00:38.960
<v Speaker 1>or not. So we're on our way to Perkins Restaurant,

1:00:39.240 --> 1:00:43.160
<v Speaker 1>the Dennis of Florida for a four course meal of salad,

1:00:43.440 --> 1:00:47.120
<v Speaker 1>half sandwich, a slice of pie, and better information on

1:00:47.240 --> 1:00:51.480
<v Speaker 1>spiritualism in its current era than any disheveled library could

1:00:51.480 --> 1:00:54.360
<v Speaker 1>have provided. So what I learned at dinner is for

1:00:54.480 --> 1:00:58.920
<v Speaker 1>another time for today. Spiritualism's history is full of these

1:00:59.000 --> 1:01:03.320
<v Speaker 1>kinds of characters. Believers and deniers alike have intense opinions

1:01:03.400 --> 1:01:06.520
<v Speaker 1>and systems of belief, and the influence of the religion

1:01:06.720 --> 1:01:10.520
<v Speaker 1>extends far in spite of their somewhat diminished power today.

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<v Speaker 1>And yes, this extends to its influence on the evolution

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<v Speaker 1>of the Black Spiritualist Church and a Spiritismo. And for

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<v Speaker 1>my money, one of the major failures of Spiritualism to

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<v Speaker 1>this day is to acknowledge issues and their own history

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<v Speaker 1>that i'd wagers still presents a major barrier to entry

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<v Speaker 1>to the religion to this day. And then there are

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<v Speaker 1>conflicts within the religion that are just weird. And next

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<v Speaker 1>week we're gonna look at one of my favorite kinds

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<v Speaker 1>of historical stories, a weird and petty conflict between two

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<v Speaker 1>famous people who you think would have something better to do,

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<v Speaker 1>but they don't. In our penultimate episode of Ghost Church,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be taking a look at the decades long battle

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<v Speaker 1>between Harry Whodini and Sir Arthur Conan Doyle for real.

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<v Speaker 1>And yes, I think we actually are going to get

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<v Speaker 1>to ectoglossoms, So look forward to that. That's next week

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<v Speaker 1>on Ghost Church. Wow. Ghost Church is a Cool Zone

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<v Speaker 1>Media production created, written, and hosted by me Jamie Loftus.

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<v Speaker 1>The show is produced by Sophie Lichterman, edited by Ian Johnson.

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<v Speaker 1>Our theme song is by Speedy Ortiz that's Sadie Dupley,

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<v Speaker 1>Andy Moholt, Audrey, Zy Whiteside and Joey Dubeck. Music is

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<v Speaker 1>by Zoe Brad